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Speaker 3: joined by the wonderful doctor Raquel Martin, PhD. How many

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Speaker 3: vice versa. And like my dietitian, I just met with

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Speaker 3: her and I really like her because she gets it

438
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Speaker 3: like she gets the behavioral the cognitive component of food

439
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Speaker 3: and like that relationship. For me, it felt really groundbreaking

440
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Speaker 3: to realize, Oh, really you really need like so many

441
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Speaker 3: layers of support. But I mean, I'm curious because for me,

442
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Speaker 3: it just feels like we just got okay with therapy

443
00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,320
Speaker 3: as a concept as like Black Americans, and now it's

444
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Speaker 3: like that's not enough. And I imagine, like with your clients,

445
00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,560
Speaker 3: like to really get people to embrace this idea of

446
00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,720
Speaker 3: all the different kind of support we need when it's

447
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Speaker 3: really hard just you know, to get people in the

448
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Speaker 3: door with one specialist, you know, one person who can

449
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Speaker 3: help them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

451
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Speaker 1: I wonder if it's my personality. But like I get

452
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Speaker 1: that question a lot, like is it hard to get

453
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Speaker 1: people to go to therapy or talk to peop about therapy?

454
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Speaker 2: And I'm always like, not me.

455
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Speaker 1: I've never had an issue with people talking to me

456
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Speaker 1: about therapy or recommending stuff or people following up or recommendations.

457
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Speaker 1: It might just be my personality style, But most of

458
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Speaker 1: the time I'm like, Okay, so you are having issues

459
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Speaker 1: with mental health stuff, right. Food is fuel, Food fuels

460
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,439
Speaker 1: your body, right, You're struggling with like I eat my

461
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Speaker 1: feelings when I'm like stressed out to a certain extent,

462
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Speaker 1: Like sometimes I'm like do coping, but sometimes I'm might

463
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Speaker 1: eat a freakin donut, Like I'm not always gonna want

464
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Speaker 1: to breathe on it.

465
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Speaker 2: That's just life, right.

466
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Speaker 1: But the same way people don't think about food being

467
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Speaker 1: connected to mental health is the same way they don't

468
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Speaker 1: think about money.

469
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Speaker 2: Being connected to mental health.

470
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Speaker 1: So I'll just break it down, like, Okay, well food

471
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Speaker 1: is fuel, you fueling your body appropriately. So you're having

472
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Speaker 1: difficulty focusing, which is making you more stressed out, which

473
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Speaker 1: is making you feel less than which is impacting your

474
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Speaker 1: mood and identity right, Or Like you don't like where

475
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Speaker 1: you are in life, and then you don't know what

476
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Speaker 1: the habit is with like doing too much work and

477
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Speaker 1: like scarcity and stuff like that, so you're constantly thinking

478
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Speaker 1: about that, so you're anxious, So that's impacting your mood

479
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Speaker 1: and your identity.

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Speaker 2: Right, Like it's all wrapped up. I don't think you can.

481
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Speaker 1: Ever, it's not possible to lose weight without addressing your

482
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Speaker 1: connection with food, like mentally, if your goal is even

483
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Speaker 1: losing weight or even eating nutritiously, and it's not possible

484
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Speaker 1: to have an appropriate relationship with money or save money

485
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Speaker 1: or if you don't realize, like the mental health implications

486
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Speaker 1: are the way your identity is linked with money, right,

487
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Speaker 1: Like I used to have significant scarcity issues and thinking

488
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Speaker 1: that I should charge certain fees, and then I realized

489
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Speaker 1: that if I don't do that, I'll be broke and

490
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Speaker 1: burnt out. Like I can at least be rich and

491
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Speaker 1: burned out, you know what I'm saying. But like if

492
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Speaker 1: I just took on every single task, because it used

493
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Speaker 1: to be someone when you're under rate, and I would

494
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Speaker 1: automatically think when I was thinking about saying no, oh

495
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Speaker 1: so you're rich, Huh, who are you to say no

496
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Speaker 1: to like this amount of money? This is me talking

497
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Speaker 1: to me, and I think I'm doctor Rakeel Martin. I

498
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Speaker 1: think I deserve more. You do deserve more. That was

499
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Speaker 1: a trick say no, you know, like.

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Speaker 3: It's just yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

501
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Speaker 1: So it's I think it's hard for some people. But

502
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Speaker 1: I also think a lot of people don't meet individuals

503
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Speaker 1: where they're at. I think a lot of people will

504
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Speaker 1: use like a twenty dollars word when a five dollar

505
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Speaker 1: war will do. I think a lot of people aren't

506
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Speaker 1: as plugged into historically excluded in marginalized communities as much

507
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Speaker 1: as they think they are. So they think they're addressing

508
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Speaker 1: one thing, but they're not. And I think some people

509
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Speaker 1: just aren't good clinicians.

510
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Speaker 3: All right, BA fans, stay right there. We're going to

511
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Speaker 3: be right back after this quick break with more of

512
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Speaker 3: my conversation with doctor Raquel Martin. I ran into when

513
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Speaker 3: I was vetting a clinician, when I was getting like

514
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Speaker 3: an introductory call with a therapist last week, and we

515
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Speaker 3: got on the zoom and it was black woman, and

516
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Speaker 3: it was so underwhelming. It was like, I mean, this

517
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 3: is telehealth, right, and I mean like for me, I

518
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Speaker 3: can get a vibe over a computer. The vibe was

519
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Speaker 3: just like I'm clocking in, this is my eight hour shift.

520
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Speaker 3: You know, she's like part of this bigger network. And

521
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Speaker 3: also it was the first call, and for me, I

522
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Speaker 3: feel like it's as much about me interviewing you as

523
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Speaker 3: it is like you asking me your intake questions, like

524
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Speaker 3: I want to see what it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mandy, say that again, please.

526
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Speaker 3: I told her. I was like, she just went right in.

527
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Speaker 3: She's like, so tell me what brings you here today?

528
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Speaker 3: What's your medical And I'm just like wait a second, Hi,

529
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Speaker 3: what's your name again? You know, Sharon, like, where are

530
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Speaker 3: you from? You know, what's your style? And she was

531
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Speaker 3: so jarred by it, and I was like, hmm, this

532
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Speaker 3: is not gonna I just kind of knew ten minutes

533
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Speaker 3: in that this wasn't my person. I want someone with this,

534
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Speaker 3: Doctor Martin, Can I call you? Doctor Martin? You have

535
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Speaker 3: a particular way about you. You're very special, you know this.

536
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Speaker 3: You have this energy in this you do. You have

537
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Speaker 3: an energy, a sparkle of like a vitality, like you

538
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Speaker 3: are plugged in. You are an expert in your field

539
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Speaker 3: and you care to be one, but you also are

540
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Speaker 3: curious and you're learning and I am finding out. And

541
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Speaker 3: you know, at this stage when I'm looking for a therapist,

542
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Speaker 3: I really want someone who is a voracious as I

543
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Speaker 3: am about just like finding things out and learning things.

544
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Speaker 3: And yeah, I know it's more about me and the session.

545
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Speaker 3: Like I'm not supposed to know a lot about the therapists,

546
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Speaker 3: and that's fine, but like I want someone who's like

547
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Speaker 3: dialed in and is curious and hungry and bring some

548
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Speaker 3: of that energy to me. And that is hard. It's

549
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Speaker 3: a lot of therapists, but it's hard to find. I

550
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Speaker 3: think that energy that I want.

551
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think people also show their energy in

552
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Speaker 1: a different way, right, Like I think there's that a

553
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Speaker 1: lot of people are booked and also I don't. It's

554
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Speaker 1: like it's different generationally when it comes to clinician as well,

555
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Speaker 1: because like I remember getting shade on this panel because

556
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Speaker 1: I do stuff on social media and someone like on

557
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Speaker 1: the panel mentioning like, oh, you know, I know some

558
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Speaker 1: of us are involved in social media. I think there

559
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Speaker 1: should be a firmer disconnection between mental health and social media.

560
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Speaker 1: And I was the only person on the panel they

561
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Speaker 1: could have been talking about. So it's also like a

562
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Speaker 1: generational thing some of the concepts that individuals want to discuss,

563
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Speaker 1: or that the medium is just antiquated. My clients don't know. Well,

564
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Speaker 1: I would say maybe some of them know more about

565
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Speaker 1: me now. But when I was seeing client I've been

566
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Speaker 1: working with for a minute and the doorbell head rang

567
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Speaker 1: and I had just gotten up to get the doorbell.

568
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Speaker 1: But it's the first time I ever had to do that.

569
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Speaker 1: I was like nine months pregnant. She was like, you're

570
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Speaker 1: pregnant because.

571
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Speaker 3: This is.

572
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Speaker 1: And I was like, I am pregnant. My bad, Like

573
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Speaker 1: you know, but it's like session, it's not really.

574
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

575
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Speaker 1: It's also a trick man because sometimes you talk too much.

576
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Speaker 1: At one, you talk too much about you shouldn't bring

577
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Speaker 1: yourself into session. But two, sometimes clients will get they

578
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Speaker 1: want to know more about you because this is also

579
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Speaker 1: the week that they thought that they were going to

580
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Speaker 1: bring in trauma. But like, why do I, well, I should.

581
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Speaker 1: I don't need to talk about my trauma because she's

582
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Speaker 1: sharing about her. You're not gonna You're not gonna rook me,

583
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Speaker 1: like I'm not new here, you know. So it's like, yeah,

584
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 1: like that has nothing. What does I have to do

585
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,719
Speaker 1: with this? Yes, I was like, oh, yes, I am pregnant,

586
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Speaker 1: So sorry about the doorbell. Let's get back to what

587
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Speaker 1: we were doing, you know, Like that has nothing to

588
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Speaker 1: do with this. Now, even with social media, I share

589
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Speaker 1: a lot about me and my and my life. But

590
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Speaker 1: that's honestly, it's more so for clinicians, honestly, so that

591
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Speaker 1: they can see that normal people can be clinicians. It's

592
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Speaker 1: for people who are black and want to be clinicians,

593
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Speaker 1: because only five percent of licensed psychologists in the US

594
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Speaker 1: are black, and I want them to know that you

595
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: can share what you want to share, but there's also

596
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Speaker 1: a line like you don't see my babies online. I'll

597
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Speaker 1: talk about them. Everyone knows Russell and Jaden exist, but

598
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Speaker 1: I don't include them. I talk about Brandon, but like

599
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Speaker 1: I don't really include him. I don't know what I

600
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Speaker 1: would include him in, like you know, like in terms

601
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Speaker 1: of stuff like that, Like there is a line yeah

602
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Speaker 1: in the accounting right, like books are good, but I

603
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: think it's also the way some people are trained, like

604
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Speaker 1: I also I specialize in black health and well being.

605
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Speaker 1: When I was in training, I was told that you

606
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Speaker 1: cannot specialize in black health and well being, like we

607
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Speaker 1: were told, you know, you can specialize in children, family,

608
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Speaker 1: and there's personalities, ords and stuff like that, but black

609
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: health and well being wasn't a thing, right, And that's

610
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Speaker 1: what I was told when I was training, right, or

611
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Speaker 1: even specifying black instead of saying like bipop, that's that

612
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: I specialize in black. And it's also like the personality style,

613
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Speaker 1: like coming from an HBCU going to all these pwis

614
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Speaker 1: and seeing how generic they would try to apply everything

615
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Speaker 1: to us, to people that look like us, and I'm like, well,

616
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Speaker 1: the scientists don't look like us. They didn't prioritize us

617
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Speaker 1: in the research, they didn't priority in the clinical care,

618
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Speaker 1: and you think this is going to work with us

619
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Speaker 1: even acknowledging the justified fear that we have with therapy

620
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Speaker 1: or the medical system in the first place, It's like

621
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Speaker 1: they would just try to act like it didn't happen.

622
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's why, y'all, that's why these that's

623
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Speaker 1: why they don't like you. It's just like even when

624
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: they be like, oh, they seem to really gravitate towards you,

625
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Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know how much it is

626
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Speaker 1: that I'm exceptional versus it's that like I actually try

627
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Speaker 1: to do the work and actually don't try to generalize

628
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Speaker 1: and put everything on one person. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: what it is, even the person that you mentioned. A

630
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Speaker 1: lot of clinicians are also burnt out. But to me,

631
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Speaker 1: that is it's a system issue and it's a personal issue, right,

632
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: Like one my goal is to get more involved in

633
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: policy with the fact that, like, the way these insurance

634
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: companies work is horrific, and you have all of these

635
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: people making laws about who can accept your insurance and

636
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: they've never stepped a day in an office in their life.

637
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: So that's actually like, that's my next tenure plan. But

638
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: it's also the fact that like I balance my stuff

639
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: out so well that I can't see myself really getting

640
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: burnt out on therapy because I don't just do therapy, right,

641
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: I do the speaking. I also teach at my university.

642
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: I conduct research. I'm currently creating a new model of

643
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: Black identity development. I have the liberation or into ecosystem.

644
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: I have burned the cape. So many times people feel

645
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: as though the only way, because this is what they

646
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: were taught, is only to do therapy. But as someone

647
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: who specialized in trauma and black health and well being,

648
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: there's only so many trauma patients I can take right

649
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: because we get to collaborate with you guys on your goals,

650
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,239
Speaker 1: which is amazing. But I literally am just paying for

651
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Speaker 1: a living. So like I am working with someone on

652
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: their trauma and their racism related stress while also dealing

653
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: with racism and oppression in my own world. There should

654
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: be a limit to how many clients people are taking.

655
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 2: They should vary it.

656
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: Not because I want everyone to be an entrepreneur, but

657
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: there's going to be a limit to how many people

658
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: you can reach when you're only working with them clinically.

659
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: I started social.

660
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: Media just because my caseload filled up, and I was like, yeah,

661
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: but I still have way more that I want to share,

662
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: and there weren't people who were sharing it the way

663
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: that I wanted to.

664
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Speaker 2: It was kind of out of scarcity.

665
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: But I was like, my caseload is filled up, so

666
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm only allowed to help ten people per week.

667
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: That's absurd, Like there are.

668
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: So many more people who need help that are outside

669
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: of my accounting loades. So then I started social media

670
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: and I moved to Nashville, and I was like, I'm

671
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: never going to be able to do as many local

672
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: gigs here, So then I travel more to speak right,

673
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: And I feel as though it also helps me to

674
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: stop getting burnt out because oh, can you see me

675
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: as a client?

676
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 3: Note?

677
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: But I have fifteen free resources on my website. I

678
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: have these many talks, and I also have this way

679
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: to locate people, so like, my client load will probably

680
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: never go over six a week ever unless I get

681
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 1: rid of everything else. But I will do two speaking

682
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: gigs a month. I do like five to ten low

683
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: costs for free speaking gigs a year. I make sure

684
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: my stuff is recording and I disseminate it and you

685
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: probably get three new mental health guides on my website

686
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: each month. Like it's also being burnt out because it's

687
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: like that's the first meeting. I remember when my son

688
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: started his first day at school and I'm like the

689
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: teacher was like very subdued, and I was like, dang,

690
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: you can't fake it for the first day. Like I

691
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: never never let that go and that was for me

692
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: the whole time. And I'm like, it's the first day, bro,

693
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: Like this is the easiest it's gonna be with these kids.

694
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: So like you can't ask me my name and I

695
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: didn't get grace.

696
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 3: I get what you're saying. I can give grace, but

697
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that I need to sign up for that,

698
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: you know, Like.

699
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it should be it should be both. I with grace,

700
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: I will never see you again. So I hope that

701
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: grace reaches you.

702
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 3: Yes, it's not going to come from this. Yeah, this

703
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 3: is the right fit for me. And you know, as

704
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 3: a career coach, like I try to explain to people

705
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 3: that that energy is coming across in an interview, like

706
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 3: when you walk in defeated or you walked in burnt out,

707
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: That's why sometimes I'm like, you have to have an

708
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 3: fu fund for the time. Why, Yeah, you're ready to

709
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: walk away, but you're not mentally ready to be in

710
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 3: an interview right now. Like you're still hung up on

711
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 3: your ex. You're still getting over that trauma and you

712
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 3: need to like do some healing because you'll bring in

713
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 3: that like energy into an interview and it's like you're

714
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 3: not as likely to get the job or you know,

715
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 3: negotiate successfully. It's a whole thing. Can I talk about

716
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 3: business for a sec because you brought it up.

717
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

718
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: One of the things that I love about you is

719
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 3: that you as a person who is so service oriented

720
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: and so unapologetically focused on the black especially black women,

721
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 3: my female community. I appreciate. I mean, my podcast is

722
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 3: Brown Ambition. I'm writing a book for black women, and

723
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: I had to find a publisher that was not going

724
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 3: to tell me to generalize it.

725
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

726
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 3: Well, and at the same time, like that passion, that

727
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 3: service driven, mission driven professional you're not always thinking of

728
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 3: yourself as a business and coming up with these varying

729
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 3: income streams. When did that journey start for you and

730
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 3: how has that been sort of like trying to tap

731
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: into the business side of things, like how do you

732
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: build a diverse, thriving business that still helps you do

733
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Speaker 3: the work that you want to do.

734
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Speaker 1: I'm still working on that, honestly. So like I recently

735
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: got my my highest paid gig, which shifted my minimum

736
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: to like, for virtual my minimum is tan k and

737
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: for my in person my minimum is fifteen K for

738
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: like a one hour And it was because with this gig,

739
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: I gave them my typical rate and they actually they

740
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: upped it like five K. And they were like, oh, no,

741
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: would we would pay this? This is what we have

742
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: And they said, like, we paid more for less, like

743
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: you know, like so this is reasonable. But also talking

744
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: to my colleagues, I will say care Gains is someone

745
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: who I talk to a lot about money, and he'll.

746
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: Be like, Doug, that this is what I charged, this

747
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: is what you should be charging.

748
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: Or even like when I'll be thinking about different realms

749
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: of like what am I thinking? Because we see it differently.

750
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm a doctor who creates content. He always says he's

751
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: a content creator who is also a therapist. Right, so

752
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: even when I'm talking about money, He's like, so when

753
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: I'm talking about content gigs, I'm thinking about it that way,

754
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: he said, But your stuff is different because like you're

755
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: the person who trains the clinician. He's like, when I

756
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: go to your content, it's to learn how to be

757
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: a better clinician. And he's like, that's what I look

758
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: at your stuff for. So he said, my stuff may

759
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: be videos. He said, your stuff would be like newsletter

760
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: and like all the other stuff. So I have a

761
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: lot of people who are open with talking to me

762
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: about money because I've always learned to talk about and

763
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: it's easy for me because I grew up bro so

764
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: like it's easy to talk about money because like we

765
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: don't really have none. So it's it's weird to me

766
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: to not talk about money. If I make more than you,

767
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: I'll tell you how I got it. If you make

768
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: more than me, tell me how you got it. I'm

769
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: still working on seeing myself as a business because I'm

770
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: that whole five to ten low or no colls speaking

771
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: gigs a year, Like it took me a while to

772
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: get comfortable with that number because there's only so many

773
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: speaking gigs I can give low cost or free because

774
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: they take time and energy, and especially if they're travel gigs.

775
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: I'm leaving my babies and they will never be this

776
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: young again. So I also have to realize that I

777
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: thought about diversifying when I thought more about the way

778
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: that people ask me to show up and what they

779
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: were asking me for. Like, social media to me is

780
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: a business card. A lot of people will treat social

781
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: media as a business but like, for example, if there

782
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: is a certain event that I want to do, or

783
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: if there's a certain topic I want to discuss, I'll

784
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: create content around it and then I'll include that in

785
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: a pitch to be like this shows that this is

786
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: stuff that people want to hear about.

787
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: So I use it as a business card.

788
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: But I always get asked to train on certain things.

789
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: So I wanted to get certified and teaching continuing education

790
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: courses so I can teach the courses of clinicians the

791
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: way I wanted to and get paid for it because

792
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: you can charge more if they're getting continuing education credits

793
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: for it. So I thought about it that way, And

794
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: when it came to traveling more being in Nashville, I

795
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: just had to acknowledge the fact that there's only so

796
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: many gigs I'm going to get booked for in this

797
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: red state. A lot of people will say that Nashville

798
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: is a blue dot state is not shading every single

799
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: day like we are Trump County here, So getting comfortable,

800
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: more comfortable with traveling. And when I first started doing

801
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: the speaking for eight months to like a year, I

802
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: spoke for free, free or low cost because just because

803
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: I have my credentials doesn't mean I was good at

804
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: like what I was doing in terms of speaking. So

805
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: I would make a deal like, oh, I need the

806
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: social assets from it so I can come up with

807
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: the speaker real I need a review from you. And

808
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: I've always learned that my my current gig was always

809
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: in the room, and academia just kind of has been a.

810
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: More slow down for a second. I love that your

811
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 3: current gig is always in the room, or your next

812
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 3: gigs in the room.

813
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: Oh, my next gig is always in the room.

814
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 3: Yes, Hell, person who's gonna book.

815
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: For my next event is always in the room. They

816
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: have always heard me speak on something else like like

817
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: there hasn't been so even if they're seeing my business

818
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: card on social media or they saw me at a

819
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: conference and they decided to hire me to train their

820
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: private practice. Every single time.

821
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Speaker 3: That's why when you're really so your bag is like

822
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 3: you're and it's it's smart too from like a financial

823
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 3: perspective because you're going after the institutions that are training

824
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 3: and they have the budget. It's not like they have

825
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 3: the budget for speaking. They're a bigger institution. I just

826
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 3: feel like that opens up even more potential for that

827
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: part of your business because it's not like a B

828
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: two C. You know, I mean you are B two C.

829
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 3: You have your clients, you have your patients. But if

830
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 3: that's your only model and you're always trying to figure

831
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 3: out how do I get more out of these single humans, yes,

832
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 3: is like you know these bigger speaking opportunities. I just

833
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 3: think that's really smart.

834
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: That's how you can keep your rates lower if that's

835
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 1: your goal, right, Because one of the main reasons why

836
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: people's rates have to be, of course higher, they have

837
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: to account for paying for their own insurance and liability insurance.

838
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: Because the clinicians we pay for own liability insurance. They

839
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: have to account for paying for their own independent insurance.

840
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: They have to account for no shows, they have to

841
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: account for like this is my main job me. I

842
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: make the most money from speaking and from like my

843
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: independent health educator courses, which allows me to set my

844
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: therapy rate to what I want to set it for

845
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: because insurance is like really hard. They'll do clawbacks, they'll clawbacks.

846
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: Are you paid for therapy with me? And we did

847
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: it through insurance and we did it for like we've

848
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: been working together for eight weeks, like doing everything, and

849
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: then week nine comes and Blue Cross reaches out to

850
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 1: me like, hey, doctor Martin, I know you've been working

851
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: with Mandy for for eight weeks and we said that

852
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: we were in reimburse you one hundred dollars, but we're

853
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: not going to reimburse you at all, and that one

854
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: hundred dollars that we've been giving you for each appointment,

855
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: we will need that back. So like you've been working

856
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 1: with her for eight weeks, we've given you eight hundred dollars,

857
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: but we need that money back because what we've decided

858
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: is like we're no longer going to cover that, and

859
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: those are called clawbacks.

860
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 3: So like there's like therapets recently, it was like, yeah.

861
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: Why do we why do why do people not accept insurance?

862
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: And then it's like you spent you were on the

863
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 1: phone with them for like five hours just to get

864
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: that fixed and you could have had five clients, So

865
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: now you have to account for that right like versus me.

866
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, when I think about like the cap of

867
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: six clients a week or six people on my caseload,

868
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: it's because I'm able to accommodate it with speaking. And

869
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: there's also like I consider it, you have your like

870
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: academia gigs and your civilian gigs, kakademia gigs. I have

871
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 1: American Psychological Association, I'm speaking at INAACP convention, I'm speaking

872
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: at Urban League, I'm speaking at civilian gigs. Are if

873
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: we're doing like an essence fest, or if we're doing

874
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: like a blavity, or if we're doing like a I

875
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: did a Future Way Forward, those are like civilian ones.

876
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: And the reason why it's very different is because the

877
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: clientele or the people who attend are going to be

878
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: very different. They're both really important because my target audience

879
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: are not at the American Psychological Association a convention every

880
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: single year. They're not like the people who I'm actually

881
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: helping most of the time. General audience people who are

882
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: looking for clients clinicians to a certain extent, but they'll

883
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: go to that too. But like black people, brown people,

884
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: they're going to essence, they go off to women fest,

885
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: They're going to all these they're the ones who are

886
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: like I would love to hear more about that, Oh

887
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: you did speak this event? How would you think about?

888
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: Like they both inform so like I can never just

889
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: do one or the other because they both make me

890
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: a better clinician. One helps me know the science because

891
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 1: I'm also a scientist, So like I get to nerd

892
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: out and being like did you hear about that new

893
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: qualitative analysis that is going to take twenty minutes off

894
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: the data?

895
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: My god?

896
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: And then I also get to be like did you

897
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: see Mary J. Blase walk past? I recognize those boots?

898
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: My god?

899
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: Like you know, like you kind of have to. They

900
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: inform me to be a better clinician. But like I

901
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: split my money up that way, and I will say

902
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 1: for more clinicians, if there are a lot of clinicians listening,

903
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: you do have to work on trying to decide if

904
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: you want to build your own stage, because that is

905
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: more so what I'm working on now. Like I am

906
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: certified to do continuant education courses myself. We have to

907
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: take courses to stay certified and being a licensed clinician, right,

908
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: So Normally you go to like APA, or you go

909
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: to these conferences, or you go to ones that are

910
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: funded by them, and they're just they're kind of dry,

911
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: they're kind of boring, but you still have to take them.

912
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 2: But you can get.

913
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: Certified to teach these courses yourself.

914
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 2: I think it took like three.

915
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 1: Thousand dollars or whatever, and then we're up. We're good

916
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: for like a couple of years. You do your course,

917
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: you come up with the objectives, you come up with that,

918
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: and people pay you for that. For example, if I'm

919
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: doing three you get three CE credits. I'm doing that course,

920
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: I would probably charge you one hundred, one hundred and

921
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: twenty five. It's all digital. You get your credits and

922
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I cap it at one hundred people

923
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: per course so that people can ask questions. So for

924
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: one three hour course, you'll likely make twelve thousand, five

925
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: hundred dollars.

926
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: I've never had a.

927
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: Course not sell out, right, So you get to teach

928
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: this course, make like thirteen k. So three hour course,

929
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: you can figure out how you bank it or whether

930
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: you pay for something else. And you decide the course,

931
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: You decide the ejectives, you decide the topic you decide

932
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: when you teach it, and then you can decide whether

933
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: or not to get further certified so that you can

934
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: record it professionally, all on your time, and then you

935
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: still get money for that course too, instead of having

936
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: to go according to someone else's time slot, speak on

937
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 1: someone else's stage, do the conference all of my courses

938
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: that I teach, and like, okay, well I'm free more

939
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: so in June. So I'm going to teach an anti

940
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: racist and antipress of course in June, and we're going

941
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: to do that. And I made thirteen thousand dollars in

942
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: that three hours. And then not only did I do that,

943
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: it's a business card because I get more reviews and

944
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: it's one of the reasons why I get called to

945
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: speak in and courses. We had the student who took

946
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: your CE course and they actually would love it if

947
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: you've trained our counseling center. Like as clinicians or scientists,

948
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: we kind of get framed to think about this like

949
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: you're supposed to it's supposed to be scholarly work. I

950
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: can have scholarly work and still also be happy visiting

951
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: my place at Martha's Vineyard every year that I ain't.

952
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: Me yet say, can I get an invite?

953
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: Nah? Yeah, I still ain't never been.

954
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: But the way they try to make us think about money,

955
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: it's like the fact that caring for others means that

956
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: we can't care for ourselves, and that is simply not true,

957
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: because you're only going to be able to focus so

958
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: much when maybe Mandy is your fifth client of the

959
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: day and it's only noon, and you have to keep

960
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: doing this because you've never diversified the money that you

961
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: came in and you think it doesn't come off. But

962
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: Mandy ain't never calling you again because you as rude

963
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: as all get out or like.

964
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: You were not warm, and then you're wondering why you're good.

965
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: And then you also have to keep recruiting new clients

966
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: because for some reason, nobody comes past the consultation. It's like,

967
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying everyone needs to be an entrepreneur. I'm

968
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: saying one of the reasons why clinicians are struggling. And

969
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: I will say you're the third person this month two

970
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: people reached out to me. One person I just heard

971
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 1: about it on their story about struggling with like having

972
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: issues with clinicians. A lot of them are tired, but

973
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: they don't know how to say no, and and they

974
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: also they don't have any other option. Well, I have

975
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: to see twenty clients a week as the only way

976
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: that I could, and they don't think about something else

977
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: in terms of money, And it really shows and you're

978
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: able to help people less and you're going to session

979
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: and they're not making progress. And it's because they're also

980
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: not spending enough time on their clients. Because a one

981
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: hour session that's the beginning of it. I have to

982
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: check in with your treatment plan, I do a case conceptualization.

983
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: I have to do updates on your goals one client,

984
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: which is an hour, I likely spend probably two, like

985
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: an extra hour just thinking about like your treatment plan.

986
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 2: How do I know if you're not meeting your goals?

987
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: If we didn't set down your goals, how do I

988
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: know if this transition changes the way I'm conceptualizing the

989
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,479
Speaker 1: things contributing to your attachment issue if I haven't written

990
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: it down. One of the reasons why people aren't getting

991
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: that much out of therapy is because people are so

992
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: overworked that they're forgetting that, like the one hour recession

993
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: is half of the time that we're dedicating to our clients.

994
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: And they're just not doing a good job. And once

995
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 2: I could.

996
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: Also provide you with grace, but I could also say,

997
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: I mean like, I'm gonna give you grace, and in

998
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: that grace, I'm gonna let you know this is why

999
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: you're doing a bad job. I'm not going to tell

1000
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: you not doing a bad job. You're doing a bad job.

1001
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,959
Speaker 1: It's because of this. But the bad job is there nonetheless, right,

1002
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: And it's all.

1003
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 3: She called me a week later and was like, hey,

1004
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 3: so I noticed she didn't make a follow up and

1005
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm not proud of it. I was like, oh, yeah, well,

1006
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 3: I'm just really busy right now. The baby, Oh yeah,

1007
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: I'll get I'll take a look at that later. I

1008
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 3: can book online, right.

1009
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: But it's up to you how you decide to share.

1010
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 2: Don't feel bad.

1011
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 3: About it, like we have not about burned the Cape.

1012
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: I am so sorry. Yes, so burn and that's where

1013
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to I'm going to burn the Cape.

1014
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 3: Hell, everybody, brown ambition. You need to know about burn.

1015
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: The Cape's it's a liberation based I don't feel right

1016
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: calling this support group. It's more so like a liberation

1017
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 1: based ecosystem created by me black women for Black women,

1018
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: about releasing the unrealistic expectations of being everything to everyone,

1019
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: not only talking about reclaiming rest and reflection and self care,

1020
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: but showing you how to do it, because at the

1021
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: end of the day, we've been conditioned to wear a

1022
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: cape like superheroes, but the cape is heavy, and we

1023
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: were never meant to fly solo in the first place,

1024
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: which is why I do it in a group, community

1025
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: based group. Sometimes the strongest thing you can do is

1026
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: just set something on fire. And that's why I say

1027
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: burned the cape and like started new. So it's ten

1028
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: weeks curriculum base. I created the curriculum. This cohort has

1029
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: fifteen groups. It's run by two facilitators per group. I

1030
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: facilitate one group, but we have fourteen other groups.

1031
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 3: Fifteen groups, so fifteen different groups. Yeah, are doing how many?

1032
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 3: How big are those groups?

1033
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: Thirteen each?

1034
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 3: Thirteen?

1035
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, So typically I run one hundred and ninety five women,

1036
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: not to include the black women facilitators who are all

1037
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: licensed mental health professionals as well, so they're co facilitating,

1038
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: so thirty licensemental professionals as well licensed mental health facilitators.

1039
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: They get a stipend. It's one thousand dollars per person.

1040
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: It should be more, but that's all we can afford.

1041
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: We're solely donation based. And then the members attend every

1042
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: single week. It's a ten week curriculum, ninety minutes per week,

1043
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: and they receive a journal journal that I made. We're

1044
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: redesigning it and stuff like that too. Each week we

1045
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: cover a different topic that contributes to combating Black Superwoman's

1046
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: schema but also having mental health autonomy. Like the one

1047
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: week we're we talk about stereotypes. We acknowledge stereotypes, where

1048
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: they came from, and how they fuel oppression, how do

1049
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: we combat them, and then we talk about ways to

1050
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: break them down in our everyday lives. This week we're

1051
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: talking about self compassion, so we're talking about how self

1052
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: compassion is antithetical to what we were reared out of

1053
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: and when it comes to black women historically, kind of

1054
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: like how you mentioned like, oh, it's hard for us

1055
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: to when you think like, oh, isn't it so much

1056
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: to do like nutrition is and a doctor and stuff

1057
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: like that, but it's not. We've kind of been we've

1058
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: been programmed to think that anything other than like the

1059
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: bare minimum that we're handed is too much and it's

1060
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: never too much, right, So we talk about that and

1061
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: we do tools, but each week is framed the same way.

1062
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 2: We do like a psycho education.

1063
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: We have discussion throughout all culturally based and then we

1064
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: have mental health tools, journal prompts and every single week

1065
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: and at the end of the ten weeks, all of

1066
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: the women get a care package, which, in addition to

1067
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: the group fueling black women, the care package also fuels

1068
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: black businesses because every single thing in the care package

1069
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: is a black business. Last year's care package we had

1070
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: products through a black owned tea company, soap company, black

1071
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: owned journal company, and this one we always always have

1072
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: a book by a black p Liae Nisi, And this

1073
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: this cohort is doing the same exact thing because the

1074
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: goal is not only to fuel it with black women

1075
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: like through the therapy, but it's also to fuel money,

1076
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: infuse money into black businesses and not through donations like

1077
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: I pay them for the things that go into the

1078
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: care package, because they deserve money as well.

1079
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, how many people donate.

1080
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 3: We're going to put a link in the profile. Oh yeah, sorry,

1081
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 3: link in the show notes we have because we don't

1082
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 3: charge these women. This is free. They got to pay

1083
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 3: like forty bucks.

1084
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, want to show journal because I should. I shipped

1085
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 1: the journal to them, but it's.

1086
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 3: Theirs journal and you're getting this for free. So RAC

1087
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 3: doctor Martin has created this program and was very you know,

1088
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 3: strong and the idea that she doesn't want to charge people,

1089
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: and so yeah, we have to do completely grassroots. You've

1090
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: raised over one hundred thousand dollars. I saw that's yeah,

1091
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 3: we're at like.

1092
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: One hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars.

1093
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: So I month do do a month with donation through

1094
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: my auto pay to the bank account because like even

1095
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: I would forget to donate, but gofund me allows you

1096
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: to have monthly donors. I just got this alert that

1097
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: we have monthly donors that just automatically donate every month,

1098
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: which was so cool.

1099
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 3: Yeah did I do that for ACLU? Why not?

1100
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? I I never knew that, so like, yeah, you

1101
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: just forget Yeah.

1102
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I was like, that's cool, awesome, Like I automatically.

1103
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 3: The next cohort start because you have cohort right now.

1104
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: You have a cohort right now. This week we're all

1105
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: lose seven.

1106
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: The next cohort starts in July, and then the last

1107
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: Cohort of the Year will start in September. Luckily we're

1108
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: fully funded for Cohort three. We're not fully funded for

1109
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: Cohort four. But since we are fully funded for Cohort three,

1110
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: now I can start trying to apply to grants. It's

1111
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: just me, so I really need someone to help administratively.

1112
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: Have a nonprofit organization now, and it's wrapped into that.

1113
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: The goal is to be able to apply to some

1114
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: groups to get grants, to get administrative help. Because everything

1115
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: from the emails, to the journals, to the shipping, to

1116
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: the contact and the vendors, to the packing the packages.

1117
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: I have two hundred and fifteen packages and I'm going

1118
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: to have to park from now to next week. I

1119
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: do by myself, but once I get like enough money

1120
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: to fund someone, I'll be able to do that too.

1121
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: So this will fully be the last cohort where I

1122
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: am doing everything alone.

1123
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 3: Please let that be unique.

1124
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: In addition to the facilitator. The facilitators are amazing. They're amazing.

1125
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: I would not be able to do this without them

1126
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: because I'm not running fifteen groups alone.

1127
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: I only run my own group.

1128
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: It's two facilitators for other groups, So like I would

1129
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: not be able to do this without them. They're all

1130
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: black women, all licensed mental professionals. They're amazing. They give

1131
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: me a lot of grace when it's like, hey, remember

1132
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: when I send you this email, you said you're gonna

1133
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: reply back, and you did reply back, and I'm like,

1134
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: I do, like I still need that answered, doctor Martin.

1135
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: They're amazing, Like, I don't know what I would do

1136
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: without them, So.

1137
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 3: Like, is it too? Can people still it's an application? Right?

1138
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 3: Do Can you still reply to be a part of it? Yeah?

1139
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: You would just send an email to Alexis. She's my

1140
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: administrative systant who helps me out. She but she's my

1141
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: administrati assistant for everything, Doctor Martin and burn the Cape

1142
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: is just one of the many things that I do.

1143
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 1: So please also provide her with some grace because every

1144
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: time I add a new project, I'm like, hey.

1145
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 3: Girl, how do you email her? What's the email?

1146
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: It's admin at rackelmrtinphd dot com.

1147
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 3: Okay, so email if you'd like an application.

1148
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: Yes, email if you like an application, and add you

1149
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: to the wait list and we just go down the waitlist.

1150
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: So if you don't reply back in time, we will

1151
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: just keep you on the wait list, and we'll just

1152
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 1: go down the line unless you specifically stay I want

1153
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: to be removed.

1154
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 2: We don't remove people.

1155
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: Can I just say I want to endorse group therapy

1156
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 3: so much. I've talked about my group therapy practice this

1157
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 3: past year. It's wonderful. So if you're thinking, even if

1158
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 3: you don't have I mean, it's nice to have an

1159
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 3: individual therapist, but even if you're not sure, like is

1160
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 3: a group the kind of like the right place for me?

1161
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: I can't recommend this, like this ten week program that

1162
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 3: is just so extraordinary, the fact that it is so

1163
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 3: low cost, it's such a huge accomplishment, doctor Martin, And

1164
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 3: I just want to give you those flowers because you

1165
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 3: deserve them. And I hope it goes on for one

1166
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 3: hundred thousand cohorts too, and it becomes the norm.

1167
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, I hope it's becomes so much.

1168
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for coming on Brown Ambition and sharing

1169
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 3: your light and your energy with me. And I'm going

1170
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 3: to let you go because you got to go help

1171
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 3: those women burn the cape.

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00:47:54,200 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: I do, and thank you, thank you,