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Speaker 1: I'll go to the show that it came to you.

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Speaker 1: Oh my name is Jamie. I'm Caitlin. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for being here the show man. This is the

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Speaker 1: We're which where to begin? Well, this is We're in

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Speaker 1: my home state of Pennsylvania, Philip. Oh yeah, can we

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Speaker 1: say that you can do whatever you want? Jamie? Can

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Speaker 1: we say that your family's here? Oh yeah, my mom

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Speaker 1: a mark? Are you kidding me? Oh? Thank you so much? Okay,

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Speaker 1: funniest part. The funniest part was you know when he

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00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: shows up drunk, but Barbara Fruit drows fruit at Layla Pishan,

420
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: who throws it back with perfect aim. By the way,

421
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: I wish, I wish that that had not been out

422
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: of frame because I would have loved to see him

423
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: get hit in the back of the hid in the orange.

424
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: But leather wearing in the summertime. I mean, that was

425
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: a classic scene because why did he have on that

426
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: leather vest in Phoenix? Why do you even own leather

427
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: in Phoenix? Like, I just I don't know. And he

428
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: was picking he in theory, was picking her up because

429
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: he decided he didn't ask her. He's like, you're gonna

430
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: meet my mom and my sister today. I'm showing up.

431
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: I'm drunk and on crack maybe possibly probably, and I'm

432
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: wearing a leather vest. Get outside, just like, no, I'm good.

433
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay right here on this porch. Thanks. And

434
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: that is like kind of the closest we get for

435
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 1: that character of like standing up for herself. But it's like,

436
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: but that sort of just seems like a given. She

437
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: stands up for herself later, but we'll get to that. Yeah,

438
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: and yeah, because her story ends with her old boyfriend

439
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: Russell comes back into the picture and he's all like,

440
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to leave my wife either. They're all

441
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: these men are married to someone else because they're going

442
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: to leave, but it's just not the right time. It's

443
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: never the right time. My kid's birthday of those totally

444
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: the right time for me. To come over, slide through

445
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: on the late night but it's not the right time

446
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: for me to leave. And then she dumps him once

447
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: and for all. But she's pregnant with his baby. And

448
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: again you want to cheer this moment. She's standing up

449
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: for herself. He's like coming over. She's like, no, you

450
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: can't come in. He's like, what you reading, Oh, childhood choices?

451
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: What's that? He's like backing out the war and she's like, yeah,

452
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: it's yours and I'm keeping it. Again, we can't root

453
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: for the Sade chick people. We cannot root for her.

454
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: Good for you, you're having a baby. You're not going

455
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: to get another abortion like whatever, But like, yeah, you

456
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: you were, you were the mistress. Yeah, this is not

457
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: this is not I mean, yeah, I'm not feeling it.

458
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm not feeling a happy ending here for you. There's

459
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: a lot of I mean, it just seems like sort

460
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: of the movie aims to do this flip of like

461
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: the three women at the beginning of the movie who

462
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: were like I need a man end up not with

463
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: a man. And then the one woman, Gloria who's like

464
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: I'm raising my son and I'm giving to everyone, ends

465
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: up with a man, So they just sort of like

466
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: flipped the original intention. But in cases like that, it's like,

467
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: but they're not thinking too hard about it. Angela Basset

468
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: is gonna get a man just as soon as white

469
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: women breast cancer there, right, because man is on the way.

470
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,239
Speaker 1: She has a really sinister, like big sports clock in

471
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: her kitchen and I'm like, countdown to death again. There's right,

472
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: because after you said that letter was like, yeah, keep

473
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: me posted. Yeah, She's like, you know, I'll just here's

474
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: my email, just invite me to the funeral. I'm sort

475
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: of a oh my god a sub tweet too when

476
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: I can. It's it's bruttle, It's brut right. And Jamie,

477
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Gloria, she's the only one who ends

478
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: up with the man, her neighbor Marvin, although before that

479
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: she has a brief interaction with h Jon's dad, David

480
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: uh who was like I used to be by but

481
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: now I'm gay, which he said he changed his mind,

482
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: Like oh my god. Right. But you know what though,

483
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: that part was interesting too because again, like um, thinking

484
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: back to like that era, you have like a lot

485
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: of conversation in black culture about like the download phenomenon

486
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: of black men, and so I was like, oh, this

487
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: dude is supposed to like, you know, be not typical

488
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,239
Speaker 1: but like an exemplary of of of this phenomenon. Like

489
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: she she didn't have any idea. And then like he

490
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: ends up coming out to her, you know, because she's

491
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: trying to keep something going, and he's like, oh, actually

492
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: I should let you know this is where I'm at now,

493
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: and it's like okay, and then like at the well

494
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: we haven't gotten to the birthday party yet, but like

495
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: you know, they're like lamenting that. Then you know the

496
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: good men are gay you know, or you know unavailable.

497
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: Right there, that whole scene plays very weird where but

498
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: the birthday scene, well, the birthday the the weird coming

499
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: out that whole scene, You're just like, I see what

500
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: you're going for and I respect it. However, everything is

501
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: weird there, like don't want you. They even do like

502
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: he's wearing ear rings like they're sub tweeting the funk

503
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: out of you, and this seen he also wig but

504
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean actually that's probably like his real hair, but

505
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: it was cut like but it's like all this stuff

506
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: and then he comes out to her in a very

507
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: white guy adaptation of a story way, and he's like,

508
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: I was by I changed my mind. Sorry, and she is.

509
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: Her original reaction to that is, oh, if you're not

510
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: attracted to me, like just tell me, and like she

511
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: she was taking it personally and thought that he was

512
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: just trying to get out of the situation. He's like, no,

513
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: I'm gay and I'm leaving, and then he leaves in

514
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: that sort of it, and then Donald Fazon's reaction to

515
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: that is even, we can get into that in a moment,

516
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: but it's not that. To be clear, we recognize that

517
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: sexuality is fluid and maybe, but yeah, the way it's

518
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: handled in this movie is like, oh, that's that's not

519
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: your intention. But that's like not, that's not what you

520
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: were trying. It's just it's just a mess. It was

521
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: in a treat sexuality in this movie. But then she

522
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: ends up with Marvin, who seems really nice. He did

523
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: seem nice, I mean Gregory Hunts. He did not seem

524
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: like the type of person that should have been, you know,

525
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: messing over one of these ladies. And his wife is dead.

526
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: His wife is definitely dead. So he's available, right, She's

527
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: got and Gloria made sure she got for one one

528
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: on him like right away, yeah, and then plaid him

529
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: with soul food and sandwiches, you know, and tell him

530
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: because women be making food, women be nurturing this. Uh.

531
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: And you may have noticed that the way I framed

532
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: all of these storylines was around the men, because the

533
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: women do not end up on screen together that much.

534
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: They're four best friends, but I think they're only on

535
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: screen together for like twenty ish minutes total. That may

536
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: be true. Actually, I mean they're at the club together

537
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: and they're having the birthday party. Yeah, there's like that

538
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: one random Gratio would have seen in them coming out

539
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: of church together. That's about a ten seconds. Either. Two

540
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: of them are at a carnival at one point talking

541
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: about abortion. You were on a ferris wheel talking about it.

542
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: That was two carnival things. About the other one where

543
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: they were like drunk at that park or wherever they were,

544
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm like, there is a ferris wheel scene. Yeah,

545
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 1: that's that's fun. The other one they're at an Ostrich Race.

546
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: Yeah they're well, I mean again they're in Phoenix, like

547
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: what are they doing? But they're at They're at an

548
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: Ostrich Race. And then Angela Bassett opens the scene by

549
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: saying this is boring, and then she's like, by the way,

550
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: I help someone cheat on their wife last night, how

551
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: do you feel about it? Such a weird scene. The

552
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: most jarring part of that scene for me is saying,

553
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: Austrich racing is boring because like, you been given a gift.

554
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: What do you So that's pretty much the story of

555
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: the movie. At the very end, it's New Year's Eve

556
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: again and presumably the following year, but who knows how

557
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: much time has passed? And too much it's six years

558
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,959
Speaker 1: later now she's pregnant. It was likely, it's true. Yeah,

559
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we don't need men, and then we've

560
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: got a car and friends. First of all, no again,

561
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: watching this, watching this now? My first thought in that

562
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: last scene, why then aren't they at Angela Bassett's house

563
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: in Acapulco? Right, okay, if I'm gonna be spending New

564
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: Year's with you, but it's I want to be in

565
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: Acapolca because where are they there? In a lot, They're

566
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: still in Phoenix. Still in Phoenix is where they are? Ps.

567
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: Gloria's got a man now, I'm shocked that she ditched

568
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: Marvin to be with these chicks. Donald fazas in Spain.

569
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: That's a whole definitely gone the fase ons like why

570
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: can't I go to Spain? And I love saying like

571
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: homophobic slurs. That's his whole character. Oh and also at

572
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: one point Gloria busting on him getting his dick sucked

573
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: very jarring. No one Donald's phase on pre braces getting

574
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: sucked off is not something anyone's ready for. It's just

575
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: not I wasn't I I was. I wasn't know. I

576
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: was like, I was a shocked as Gloria. It was

577
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: I was like, get out of her, out of his shed?

578
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: Where does he having in the I was like in

579
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: the pool house? I guess. I was like, that's a

580
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: very nice shed that he's getting sucked off. And I

581
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: guess I don't know, as one does God, what does

582
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: Phoenix like? Like? Thanks so so, Aaron. You have said

583
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: that you know you grew up with this movie. Was

584
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: you know, an iconic movie for you, But now, as

585
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: in a all are be watching this in today's era.

586
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: Tell us about how it's different for you or how

587
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: just your thoughts on how black women are represented. I mean,

588
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: I think it speaks to the fact that just the

589
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: under representation you do, you still don't see you know,

590
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: these kind of relationships really portrayed in this way on

591
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: the big screen. I mean, like think about how excited

592
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: people were about Girls Trip, you know, I mean, and

593
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 1: that movie you know is coming, you know, thirty years later,

594
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: so people recognize that, you know, because we don't really

595
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: get this, like any kind of representation like this, and

596
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: especially because these women were the stars that they were

597
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: at the time, Like you really were so excited for

598
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: this movie. But like in retrospect, yeah, these are not

599
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: people that I really want to root for, I mean,

600
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: except for Gloria. Like I did not feel myself rooting

601
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: for any of them and their storylines this time around.

602
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: It was just kind of like I literally am looking

603
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: at each one of them like girl, get it together,

604
00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: like way up? No, Like like yeah, I was literally

605
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 1: really just like yelling at the screen at multiple points

606
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: because I was just like I wanted them to be

607
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: making better choices. And also just I was not as

608
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: willing to put as much blame on some of these

609
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: men as as I would have been like when I

610
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: was young, thinking oh, these are great women, like you know,

611
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: what is you know, what is wrong with these men?

612
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: It's like no, actually they are making poor choices, like

613
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: these are not people. Yeah, you shouldn't be with with

614
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: any of these dudes, but also like why do you

615
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: keep picking these trash people? Right? Well, the big thing

616
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: for me about this movie is I was coming and

617
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: expecting it to be a movie about black female friendship,

618
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, I can't wait to like just

619
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,959
Speaker 1: like see them interact on screen, and then the whole

620
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: movie was is totally framed. They're totally defined by like

621
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: the men who they're with or who they want to

622
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: be with. Every storyline is about the men in their lives,

623
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: and I was like boring, right, And that's like the

624
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: most frustrating thing about I mean seeing like a movie

625
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 1: that's built around female friendship up being sort of thrown

626
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: away and like this really lazy writing kind of way

627
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: of like, well, they're female friends, so we can use

628
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: that as a conduit to talk about how they consider

629
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: the men in their lives to be like what to

630
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: find absolutely like by the time you get to the birthday,

631
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: like the living room birthday, seeing like that, you wish

632
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: that that could have been like most of the movie

633
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: because like you have like every friend that you need

634
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: is in that room, right, like somebody that's gonna talk

635
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: you down from bad choices, somebody that's actually maybe if

636
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna make bad choices, ready to go along with

637
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: that ship, like let's go, you know, when Bernadine is

638
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: drunk and ready to call and cuss John out, you

639
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: know right there right now, that number, you know, and

640
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: like you know that one friend that's kind of like

641
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: neutral and just kind of hanging back to kind of

642
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 1: see what happens like that is and they go through

643
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: like the range of emotions like in that one night,

644
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: as as girls do when they get together and open

645
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: them away. Okay, I mean they're they're having a good time,

646
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: they're crying, you know, they're talk it about me, but

647
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: they're also just kind of talking about their lives. And

648
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: it's like, yes, more of this plea And it's more

649
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: fun to watch than the nine hundred scenes of one

650
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: of the characters deciding to be a side check to

651
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: someone else's marriage, because that is what most of the

652
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: movie is, or having bassics with somebody who is single.

653
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: But those scenes are really funny though. Sex scenes those

654
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: are and those are like female gay scenes where like

655
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: there's that scene with Michael or you see the fucking

656
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: prop flop sweat on his he's character acting the ship.

657
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: He's like, uh, I love sex, and you're like, oh

658
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: my god, he's just he's so much I matter how

659
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: things worked out for him after probably yeah, I bet

660
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: he was in like he ends up at the club

661
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: with another woman, a real life let's look him up, right,

662
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: I feel like he has two hundred movie credit. But

663
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: also I don't. I mean, that sex scene was pretty

664
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: terrible too Windy Houston's face, and that is because he's

665
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: making like yeah, and she's like, she's like I don't

666
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: want to go to the zoo or something. She's like,

667
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: I guess I'm the zookie friend. Yeah. Yeah, I do

668
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: appreciate how like sex positive this movie is though. That's

669
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: a line from the movie. Yeah, very sex positive because

670
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: they're like at some point every character is like I'm

671
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: so horny, and the other women are like yeah, and

672
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: go get some like they are very supportive, never like

673
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: slut shamie anything like that. Yeah. Well, with that, let's

674
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: take a quick break, shall we. Let's shall I'll be

675
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: right back. There's there's that scene with Gloria and the neighbor.

676
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: The scene where she meets the neighbor is such a horny,

677
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: so crazy, there's looking at him like a sandwich. I

678
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: knew this was an adapted work, but there are some

679
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: scenes where you can very much feel it because they're

680
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: like having loud monologues to themselves in front of the

681
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: other character. You're like, he is right there where she's

682
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: walking away, and it's like after it, there's a vibe,

683
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: and then she's going back home and then she's like,

684
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: I hope he's not watching me walk away, and then

685
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: turns around. It's like he's like he's four ft away

686
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: from you, right right, sas off across lonologue. Can we

687
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: talk about Bernardine's monologue as she's like throwing away and

688
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: burning all of John's stuff, Yes, because she's touching on

689
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: stuff like the man like his expectations of me is

690
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: that I was gonna like be the background to his foreground.

691
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: I mean she's talking about that. She's talking about how

692
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: he didn't want the kids to go to a certain

693
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: school because he didn't want the improper influence. She's talking

694
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: about how she wanted to start a business but he

695
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: told her. I mean yeah, she's just I mean yeah,

696
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: she was airing a lot of s on her way

697
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: to that garage, like with those back and forth trips,

698
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: it's fully earned. Yeah, or she even like you see

699
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: his organized closet, You're like, oh no, yes, things are

700
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: about to be mismatched. And just how how quickly it

701
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,479
Speaker 1: happened too, though, I mean, because like it starts off

702
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: like she's in the bed right, she's miserable, she's crying,

703
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: gets up, makes a pot of coffee and hits that closet,

704
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: and fifteen puts the kids on the bus in fifteen

705
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: minutes later, that's it's a bonfire baby in the driveway,

706
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: and you're just like and then she's on the couch

707
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: watching cartoon. And then later on there's the scene where

708
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: her husband has just had the kids for a weekend

709
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: and he brings them back, and they got her facial

710
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: expression again, Nobody does rage like Angela Bassett, Like the

711
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: death stare that she has given this dude when he

712
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: is dropping those kids off, and how she just immediately,

713
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: just on a dime, goes from that to like being

714
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: loving mom to these kids as they're coming home, and

715
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: clearly they're like siding with her and love her so much,

716
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: and they're just like dad is trash, all right, then

717
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm back, but like yeah that. But also another Angela

718
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 1: Basset classic is when she busts up in that office

719
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: when he clears out because she comes in, she's like yelling,

720
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: and then the first thing she does is slap Kathleen,

721
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,919
Speaker 1: his mistress across I was. I felt rewarded in that moment.

722
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: It was very rewarding. Where is that gift like that

723
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 1: should be that is underused? If that is a gift

724
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: that is out there, and if not, if anybody in

725
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: here has those kind of skills or capabilities, please go

726
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: ahead and get that going on Twitter so that I

727
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: can get to see. I found that moment a little

728
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: troubling because I think we talked about this on I

729
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: Have as a white woman or for some other reason.

730
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: That's why that's why no race completely aside. We talked

731
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: about this on our Cruel Intentions episode where women who

732
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: get wronged by a man by you know, them cheating them.

733
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: There's a tendency because women are so generally pitted against

734
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 1: each other in society, for the one who has cheated

735
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: on to blame the other woman, and then a lot

736
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 1: of the men kind of like get off scott free

737
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: or not, they're not held as accountable. So I mean,

738
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: I understand her anger and frustration, and I thought that

739
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: that like went up in my head as well. But

740
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: then it's like she's just as mad, if not angry

741
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: at And also, I mean, this woman was she was

742
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: in between her and the husband, and it seems that

743
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: she has stepped out of the way. We may not

744
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: even have been there. She should have just stepped to

745
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: the right. I mean, like, if we're being honest, like

746
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: if it had been if it would not have been me,

747
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: but had it been me, I would have just I

748
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: don't know, because I mean, you see the tornado coming

749
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: and you just are sitting and you stand up and

750
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: start to speak absolutely no, yeah, absolutely not. And then

751
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 1: this but when she I mean god, when she finally

752
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 1: does light into him and she doesn't hit him, but

753
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: I mean her unleashing on him when he's tunging. Oh yeah,

754
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm thinking about coming to pick up

755
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: my kids, and she's like, oh god, you guys, you

756
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: guys know what she says. She's like, if you have

757
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: them anywhere near that tramp bitch, and she leans into

758
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: that with everything that she has. Again, wears her oscar.

759
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: It was so good. It's it seems like her rage

760
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: is sort of distributed equally for everyone who's wronging her.

761
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 1: And let me be clear. Let me be clear, there

762
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: are many white women who should be slapped by black women,

763
00:46:52,600 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: any woman who voted for Trump. Basically, it's tricky, I mean.

764
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: And that comes up again later in the Wesley Snipes

765
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: scene where it's like a reveal to Angela Bassett that

766
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: because he says, it's it's just like, I don't know,

767
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: I'm interested in how you because it's all over the place.

768
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: If he's like, I'm a civil rights slayer and it's

769
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: a boy the way his catint for like a professional

770
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: black women. You throw that out there and it's like,

771
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I love you, I'm sorry. What what? But

772
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: then they go upstairs and he's like, remember that dying

773
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: wife I've told you about. She's white. And then and

774
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: then Angela Bassett's like, yeah, it's it's it's weird the

775
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: way they and I read that in the book. That

776
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 1: is not how that scene goes, and that's not how

777
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: that story goes in the book. The Wesley Snipes character

778
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: wants to divorce his wife, who his wife and his

779
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: wife he wants to dive force his dying white wife

780
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: and like it wasn't working before she got sick, and

781
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: then she got sick, and then he's like, well, I've gotta,

782
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: for lack of a better phrase, ride this out, and

783
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: so in the in the I'm so sorry, and and

784
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: that's sort of I think is a more effective story

785
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: choice to be like, the marriage is over, and it

786
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: was over, but in this version he's like, I love

787
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: her deeply and then Angela, which makes Angela Bassett's choice

788
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: seem bizarre or like her being like, let's funk anyways.

789
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: But I mean, clearly she was already cool with one

790
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: offs with Mary Dudes. I mean we saw that, which

791
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: is crazy because she's so mad at like her husband

792
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: and that white woman is crazy liked her. I don't know,

793
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 1: it's confusing, and a lot of this is I mean,

794
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: I would hazard to guess adaptation issues from the book

795
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: to the movie. Maybe maybe somebody whoever I'm forgetting who

796
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: wrote this race. Yeah, it was the author of the book, Terry,

797
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: but a guy but also a white guy, a white guy.

798
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: What they ended up coming up with for the movie, though,

799
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: like in some people's minds and making him more endearing

800
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: because at the time, like I said, I mean, I

801
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is so sad, like you know,

802
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: if only they'd met, you know, in another lifetime or whatever.

803
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 1: It's like, no, they're meeting in this lifetime and she's

804
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: dying and and so step out of the Why are

805
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: you even sitting down next to her order in Hennessy right,

806
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 1: Why are you hitting on this woman as your wife

807
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: actively passes away? I don't know there, but there is

808
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: there is like a bell Hooks piece written just a

809
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 1: few movies after this movie came out, and bell Hooks

810
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: does not like this movie. And she she knew very much. Yeah,

811
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: she but like you were saying, Aaron, before we came out,

812
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: like she was a full grown you know she was.

813
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: She wasn't seventeen when this And that's when, like we

814
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 1: talked about all the time, Like the movies you see

815
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: while your brain is still squishy and you're trying to

816
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 1: understand the world using the media around you, it shapes

817
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: your view of the world. Bell Hooks was formed by

818
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: the time she saw that she was not having it.

819
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: She was not having it, and she writes about in

820
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: her piece that there was a white guy screenwriter actively

821
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: involved in giving recommendations on how this should be adapted,

822
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: and so stuff like the stuff that changes markedly from

823
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 1: the book, like the Wesley Snipe stuff is like at

824
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: the suggestion and push of some rando like Hollywood white

825
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: guy imagine you know. Yeah, so adaptation, it's adaptations are fucked.

826
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: Show me a good adaptation. Doubt doubt that's true, but

827
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: doubt it was. I mean, John, but they just let

828
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: John Patrick Shanley go for it. Check out John Patrick

829
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: Shanley's Twitter. It's fucking weird. He posted the selfie before

830
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: he goes to bed. He's like, good night. I don't know. Anyways, Anyways,

831
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: this movie was a box office success. It opened a

832
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: number one. Again, black women were they were ready for.

833
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 1: This movie was a critical like mixed review. So because

834
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 1: Angelo Bassett, but also Whitney Houston. She can sing other

835
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 1: final thoughts or there was the other stuff you wanted

836
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: to I mean, like I said, the only thing that

837
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: was better than this movie for me at that time

838
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: was the soundtrack, which Frankly Steel holds up right. I mean,

839
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: baby Face, you know, the King of arm nineties R

840
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: and B. You know, he produced it. But all of

841
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: the songs were by black women, and so I mean

842
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm talking about obviously Whitney gets to be on the soundtrack,

843
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: but I mean you had Brandy, you had a Wretha

844
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: Shaka Khan TLC. I mean like and Mary J. Blige. Yes,

845
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: I mean it was a soundtrack for the Ages, like

846
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: for real. And I'm not going to start singing along

847
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: here right now. We can if you want to, but

848
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 1: I mean, like seriously, like not not exactly if I've done,

849
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: not gonna cry karaoke before. It's a lot, it's emotional.

850
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: The one thing that we didn't quite hit on was

851
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: Donald Fazon's reaction to finding out his father is gay.

852
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: Like it it is a weird, it is not good. Yeah, Basically,

853
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: what happens is Gloria accidentally out David and she realizes

854
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: that she's made a mistake. To be fair, she's shocked

855
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: because she just saw Donald Fazon getting sucked off in

856
00:52:52,800 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: a shed pool house. So you're right, you're right. And

857
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: then his reaction is extremely bizarre because he uses a

858
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: series of homophobic slurs and then says it's all the

859
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: same thing, right, he doesn't totally minimize it, And then

860
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: it's like, well Lisa didn't running the family. Remember when

861
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: you saw me getting sucked up? Mom? I was like,

862
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: why is this the way this goes? Yeah? So and

863
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 1: then that never gets cleaned up or resolved or whatever

864
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: I mean, because like that's just it. Never he just

865
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: gets to go to Spain. Like that's how that ends.

866
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: So the I mean, the way this movie deals with

867
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: queerness is tooth thumbs down is not good. And I

868
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: would argue that there's a stylist character in Gloria's salon

869
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: who has queer coded because gay men can only be stylists,

870
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: as we see in every movie ever. But I will

871
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: I mean, like the gay black beaut you know, man

872
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: who's doing hair is very real and shout out to

873
00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: all the ones that I've had in my life that

874
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: have kept me late. Um, I appreciate them now. I mean,

875
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: was he was he over the top of dramatic? Maybe?

876
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: But also do I know some black man doing hair

877
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: who are like absolutely absolutely so maybe I don't know

878
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: if they appreciated being seen in this film or not.

879
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: Obviously he's not representative all of all gay black men,

880
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's weird because it's

881
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: like seeing queer characters in this movie. Seeing queer characters

882
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: in movies in a way that isn't like they're a

883
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: punchline is something. It's something in the right direction, but

884
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: it just doesn't quite it doesn't go there, and it

885
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: doesn't fully realize this because he is like messy and

886
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: he's the one who like tells Bernardine's business to like

887
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: the rest of the girls. And you know, it's like

888
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 1: it's imagined. A movie is just not perfect. Right. My

889
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: last thing was I like this scene. This is just

890
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: a straight thought. I like the scene where Bernadine gets

891
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: mad and cuts her own hair because Gloria won't do it,

892
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: baldest woman in charge. That was yes, charge holds trip. Yeah,

893
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: you know when when a woman chops her hair off

894
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: watch out? Yeah, I mean, and get out of the way.

895
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: Get ready, she's going to war, right, yeah? No for real? Yeah,

896
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: all right, I think that it does this movie pass

897
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: the Bechdel test. A couple of very brief, like two

898
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 1: line exchanges. Yeah, seventeen year old Aaron would have sit

899
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: absolutely yeah, grown ass Errand says, I don't know. Well,

900
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 1: let me let me make a case for it. Savannah

901
00:55:53,680 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: at one point says nice house Bernadine. Bernadine says, you

902
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: know what, you know what, Kaitlin, you are really reaching

903
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: right now, you are really reaching. Okay, she responds at

904
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: five dollars, you can have it. Then they talk about

905
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: John for a few minutes, right, because this is a

906
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: conversation that's happening as her home video footage just playing

907
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: in the background. Yes, so that negates that. Next true,

908
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: Robin and Gloria have a brief conversation about manicures and

909
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: Robin's job because she because she's like blowing off work

910
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: to maybe get a manicure to please a man. Probably

911
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: Gloria was also going to charge her by the finger

912
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:46,280
Speaker 1: for that polish. So I feel like that one passes.

913
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know that. It's one of those

914
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: movies though that, like however many things we break down,

915
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: Like the subtext of the whole movie is men. So

916
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: it's like it just gets harder as the longer we

917
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: do this podcast, we're just like the subtext of every

918
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 1: of the world is men. Apparently, so special passes, damn

919
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: test Yeah, because yeah, I mean I was even thinking about,

920
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: like remember when Savannah Coss her mom and like her

921
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: mom is talking about her like financial situation. Yeah, I'm reaching.

922
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: It's I mean, I think name the mom's name, first name.

923
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: I don't think maybe that one. I don't think I

924
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: didn't care like moms. I think it all pass on

925
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: the bectal test. Mom, I don't know. I just Bernadine

926
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: and her daughter, who is named Nika talk about the words. Yes,

927
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: they do the word freakfically I think. I mean, I

928
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: think this movie does pass the vectial test a couple

929
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: of times, but I mean it's one of those things

930
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: where it's like, given the fact that the marketing of

931
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: this of this movie was like for women, like for

932
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: black women, and this is their friendship, it should pass

933
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: way more than it does. Yeah, so I mean it passes,

934
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: but not as much as it or any movie with

935
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: four female leads should shall be raid on our nipple scale,

936
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: let's do it. So in terms of like, I love

937
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: that there's a movie that's representative of four strong black

938
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: women who yes, do have many lapses and judgment throughout

939
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: the film, But because the movie isn't really the core

940
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: of the movie isn't so much about their friendship. It's

941
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: more about how these women are relating to men and

942
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: having relationships with men, and even when the women are together,

943
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: they're almost exclusively talking about men. So that is disappointing.

944
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: And there are like kind of those brief moments of

945
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: feminism where you know, Bernadine's like, I'm tired of like

946
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: not being able to pursue my own thing. I have

947
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: an MBA, damn it, Like I want to open a

948
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: catering business. But then she spends the rest of the

949
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: movie trying to have sex with married men, kind of

950
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: show her focusing on her caterer. That's where I thought

951
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: the story was going with her, but like that doesn't

952
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: even come up because his wife is dying, Like you're

953
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: shaking him down for alimony when you could be making

954
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:17,959
Speaker 1: that cater in business. Hopefully she invests that one point

955
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: five million dollars in that business, so one can hope.

956
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, so representation wise, because there are so few

957
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: movies with an all black cast like this. Uh, the

958
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: fact that it was financially successful that people got to

959
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: go see it is great. But the stories and while

960
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: the characters are like distinguishable, and you know, we see

961
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: representation of successful black women, which is unfortunately a rare

962
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: thing in mainstream movies. They are entirely framed around the

963
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: men in their lives and should have been more about

964
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: their friendship. I think, yeah, that success was limited because

965
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: they hadn't found love. Right. Yeah, So I'm gonna give it.

966
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: I'll give it a three nips. Well, right, I'm wrong, right, two? Okay,

967
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: I can crowdsource your opinion. Y'all see it, y'all see

968
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: it now. Look I've easily influenced. Uh. So what I

969
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: meant to say, I'm going to give it two and

970
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: a half nipples. This is my own thinking everyone's uh,

971
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: and I will give one to Angela Bassett, one to

972
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: Whitney Houston's singing voice and the soundtrack. Uh, and my

973
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: half nipple will go to Gloria and Robin there in

974
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: their friendship that we barely see you eron, what do

975
01:00:55,560 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: you say? M hmm. Yeah, I'm gonna go with two nipples.

976
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: One for Angela Bassett because I mean, she was just

977
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: everything in this movie, probably the best thing to meet

978
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: about this movie. And then one for Gloria because again

979
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: she's the only one that seems to have like a

980
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: positive you know, outcome by the end. So yeah, that

981
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: that's all the nipples I have for this movie. I'll go,

982
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: I'll go two and a half and just to tying

983
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: onto what everyone is saying, movies that are supposed to

984
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: be about female friendship that secretly aren't about female friendship

985
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: and are about the men and how they define their

986
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: lives are insidious and evil and don't do that. Come on, uh,

987
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: send given one to Angela, one to Gloria, and half

988
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: to that guy's dying wife. Give her a fucking break. Uh.

989
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: All right, Aaron, thank you so much for being here.

990
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: We are so thank you. Guys. Where can we find

991
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,960
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Speaker 1: Jamie and I. We just wanted to give another shout

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