1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to Jay dot Ill a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: I don't like when the young girls come from the 3 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: whole girl cello, everybody violin. This is Jill Scott, A 4 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: k A. What it was the one I called myself? Oh? 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: My mother calls me, Oh, I can't say that. Oh 6 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: it's terrible. My mother calls me lussy. It's like awful, 7 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: what a name? Why would you do that with an 8 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: end with an end, nussy nussy. Well, it's just I 9 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: don't like it. I never liked it. I was like, 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: don't call me missy. But however, I always feel warm 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: she when she does, because it's a mother it's a 12 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: mother name, and Lissy sounds like it would be warm 13 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: because it's so close to you know. Yeah, I'm here 14 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: right here in my missy, please just right on a see, 15 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: get all the way up in the nusty park. I 16 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 1: am here with my sister friends Joe Scott by the way, 17 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: and I'm here with my sisters and my friends. Okay, 18 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: see sisters and friends. I need you to be really 19 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: clear that the yeah, we talk on this podcast, and 20 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: that's that's cool. You know what I'm saying. Real cool. 21 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: It's it's a pleasure to be able to share thoughts 22 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: and ideas with all of you. Um, but we also 23 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: talk off this off this uh this computer. We also 24 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: talk on the phone. Um. We also make it a 25 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: point to find out what the fuck is going on? Right. 26 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: This is good, baby, real good. Some of us in 27 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: the middle and that's not bad, and some of it 28 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: is fucked. And we just try to talk our way 29 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: through it, figure it out, pray about it, laugh about 30 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: it each other sometimes bitch if you don't. She texts that, y'all. Yeah, 31 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: she texts that sound all the things. So, yeah, we're here, 32 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: We are right here. I'm here with Layah st Clair. 33 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: Shout out to the ancestors, because that's what I do. 34 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: Come one, okay, okay, okay okay, and the lovely aga 35 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: grad and dance like I don't have anything clever to say. 36 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: You always do. I don't, She said, Cello violent. I'm 37 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: gonna say with viola upright base to everyone. Yeah, I 38 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: like that. I really like the upright base. Everybody. Oh yeah, 39 00:02:54,840 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: we are here, and we are here because some he 40 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: gave it damn about us. Feel somebody climbed up a 41 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: tree and jumped off a limb and blew so that 42 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: we can too. Yeah, that was like pretty It wasn't. 43 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: I didn't know the way they came from. But because 44 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: it's literal and it's figurative, you know what I'm saying 45 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: at the same time, Yeah, because I see it out 46 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: on a limb, no other choice but to fly. You're 47 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: either gonna fall, You're gonna fly, because every limb gets 48 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: weaker the closer you get to that, and you won't 49 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: have no other choice the closer you get to the sky. 50 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: They but you needed a foundation to build on take 51 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: it to that sky. I don't know, just saying, damn straight, Okay, 52 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: that tree trunk didn't grow by itself. You know what 53 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Hello, we're over here, mad backs like cheerleaders, bigger, 54 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: we're what are you talking about? We're talking about you 55 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: really do I know you do? We're talking about all 56 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: of the feet we walk on. Okay, A picture yourself, 57 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: a two year old, eleven month old with somebody with 58 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: their feet underneath you, teaching you how to walk, and 59 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: you're holding their hands. Yeah, that's what we're talking about. 60 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: And it happens all the time, all the time. You 61 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: are not anywhere near where you are or where you 62 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: are if you wouldn't be if there wasn't for somebody 63 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: who helped to guide you along the way right. And 64 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: it may not be somebody you know, and maybe somebody 65 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: that you watch, you watch you read. Yes, hello, Oprah, 66 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: thank you, you don't look for me. It has really 67 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: been Jake California Cooper. Once I found her, I found 68 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: her in college. Once I found her, I was like, 69 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: wait a minute, this woman, this woman, she has the 70 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: ability to to paint a story so well that you 71 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: you can feel the fabrics. You can you can smell 72 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: the onions in the in the garlic cooking in the 73 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: other room, not not next to it, but the boom 74 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: after that, you know, because the air has white thing 75 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: down the hall. You can smell that it ain't all 76 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: up in your nose in a way that that is aggressive. 77 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: But this, this is like somewhere else to go. She 78 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: paints these sudden so many places to go. I love 79 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: that about her, the humanity and that writing. And I 80 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 1: continue to read her books. I read her books over 81 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: and over and over because she reminds me of my humanity. 82 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: That I'm not supposed to be perfect, that that what 83 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: did I wrote recently about her, and I was like, 84 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:08,559 Speaker 1: she writes sin like rain. Either you can cool off 85 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: or you can drown in it. But that's just how 86 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: it goes. This is life. Yeah, if it wasn't for 87 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: Jay California Cooper, I would have never been able to 88 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: to write he loves me in a way that was 89 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: sent to as sensitive, like I I love her. I 90 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: invited her to see me um or to meet I 91 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: wanted to meet her. I was performing at Carnegie Hall, 92 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: and I got her first class ticket and I got 93 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: her suite and I got her car service. This is 94 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: a little lady, you know, she's little, and I invited 95 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: her and I just did it, I you know, because 96 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: she she was like, I didn't know, I don't know 97 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: if I can come. I'm old that's what she seen. 98 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: And she did come, and all I could do was 99 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: just cry, like I just was so happy to shake 100 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: her hand, you know, out of respect and to hug her, 101 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, like, oh, I know that everybody doesn't get 102 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: those exact opportunities. Yeah, There's been a lot of people 103 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: along the way that have shown like shared light, convinced 104 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: you of like convinced you and me, you know, and 105 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: this is what we're talking about. We're talking about the 106 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: people that come before us that open these damn doors, 107 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: that kicked these windows open, that that burst through through 108 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: what was and and came out fresh and started something new. 109 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about right now, giving praise and 110 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: respect this too. I don't know what's happening with the 111 00:07:53,480 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: young jewels. What y'all interesting was deeply interesting is that. Okay, 112 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: so we have these moments and these women that we 113 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: hold in our hearts so dear, and the opportunities that 114 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: we've had to interact with them or not right, but 115 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: now we're moving into a stage of our lives where 116 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: you know, we ain't too old to do nothing. But 117 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: we all we all discussed this. We're at the point 118 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: in our lives and we know what the funk we're 119 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: talking about. Like it's like I said what I said, 120 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: and it's I said what I said. Of it all 121 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: that I think then becomes a challenge here here and 122 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: now where it's like, hmmmm, do people believe that what 123 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: you said is what you said? You know what I mean? 124 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: Do you hold that saying? Are you feeling revered in 125 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: those ways? Have you have you earned the reference? You 126 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying like, so as we look at 127 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: the women that we know that we revered, that we 128 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: hold up, that we talked to, that we that we 129 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: would love to talk to, that we you know, this 130 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: kind of thing. The hope that that's gonna happen as 131 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: things go forward for us, as we grow older and 132 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: we become more wise, that you know out in the 133 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: world is starting to look like that may not happen 134 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: because I don't know, like the different they have different 135 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: I have my my theories. I do you have intel agent? 136 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: You should really have? I do I have intel some 137 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: but I have my theories about it. But I think 138 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: more than my theories, I have to go by the testimonials. Right, 139 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: A lot of young women feel undermined. It not respected, 140 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: not cared for, talked about, looked at as a joke, judged. 141 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of negative feeling. Why is 142 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: everyone looking confused? And I'm looking confused because it sound 143 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: like the definition of a young woman. Oh, I mean, 144 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: weren't we all that way at a point? Like I mean, 145 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: when you're a certain age and you feel like you 146 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: should be respected, but you ain't getting nothing. So the 147 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: eldest we put you in you want to joint like 148 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: it's just an ever going cycle. So you think that 149 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: you had an expectation of respect, because I think that 150 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 1: they did not know. So I think that there is 151 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: a difference in the sense of that we didn't have 152 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: necessarily an expectation to be respected, but then also we 153 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: endured some abuse behind that. Also. All I can hear 154 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: right now is is, Mama, everybody is wearing the hair 155 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: and the afro. That's what I hear. I hear that. 156 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: What's that mean? Because you know they don't the babies 157 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking. It just means that at 158 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: a certain point, you know, you have like to to 159 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: what life is saying that young people, you know, they're 160 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: not quite they're not quite grown right next very experience 161 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: experience seasoned if you will, um so and and looking 162 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: back at my mother's time, it's blaming to her mother 163 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: that everybody was wearing an a throw you know, that 164 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: kind of thing where they were looking at their children. 165 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: Like I remember when I had all ripped jeans. My 166 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: grandmother was like, big up a nice pair of don't 167 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying? Like that there, we're not 168 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: quite at the time, I'm putting me in there because 169 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: I remember what this felt like, we're not quite grown enough. 170 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: So the people that were grown truly authentically through through time, um, 171 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: and it kind of clowned us a little bit. Yeah, 172 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: but I feel like that's a very to me. I 173 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: feel like that's an understandable growing pain like this in 174 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 1: terms of just like a difference in generation. I guess 175 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: really what I'm talking about is like there's that there's 176 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: something a little bit more harmful. So there's another disconnect 177 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: there that is that we're not benefiting from generational wisdom 178 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: because there's something they're blocking that process from happening. And 179 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: I think that mead we as a group have ushered in, 180 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: you know, some changes around like how we gently correct 181 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: elders who are actually not right. Yeah, you know what 182 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I think that we're one of the 183 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: first generations to really get into like what does that 184 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: look like. I mean, it's probably before us because they 185 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: were really fighting the good fight. They were really you know, 186 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: they had the seventies and the sixties and the eighties 187 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: right as adults, well, yeah, as adults, So they experienced 188 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: three decades of major change around things like how do 189 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: you talk to your elders. How do you discuss things 190 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: with people when things are happening that are outdated, that 191 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: they don't understand that the outdated ways of thinking are 192 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: moving forward. I say all this to say right that 193 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: there's a fine line between respecting a work that came 194 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: before you and holding the space for your own evolutionary 195 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: and revolutionary thinking. Yes, yes, all due respect, with all 196 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: due respect that it comes with disrespects. So how do 197 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: we do this? How do we fix this? Like? What 198 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: are we doing? How are we getting around this? Because 199 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: it's showing up out in popular culture? More real talk 200 00:13:53,000 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: after the break. I'm gonna shout out Willow and Gilly 201 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: the Kid because they seem to really support young people 202 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: in their dreams and and share, um what they've been doing. 203 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: Um they give them, they open their platform for it 204 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: all the time. They speak to um you know, I 205 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: guess big celebrity kind of people and artists, and that's 206 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: really great. But they also are talking to the youth, 207 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: and I think, um, at some point I've met herd 208 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: Gilly mentioned that you have to stay speaking to the youth. 209 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: You talk about that too, agent that you have to 210 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: you know, stay grounded and what they're doing because they 211 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: literally are the future. Just because you're an adult doesn't 212 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: mean that you know, life just continues the way that 213 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: you've been living. You know it's going to expand as 214 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: you go along. That we're learning something new. That's how 215 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: funny you say that, because Gilly, I remember, like a 216 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: few weeks ago, there was a situation which seems to 217 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: be ending about young people reinventing history right based on 218 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: what they know and if they say it's right, right, 219 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: do you remember this? Agent Okay, And there was a 220 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: situation where a young person decided that Gilly was talking 221 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: shot and he had never really written anything for a 222 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: little way, and he had never done all these things. 223 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: Gilly is truly just the person that you see on 224 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: this podcast because he didn't know the history of what 225 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: he has done, and we landed him even in position 226 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: to be on the y. So yes, so see now 227 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: we're cooking. Now, we're cooking now because they're still even 228 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: talking to these young people. So that's the thing, right, 229 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: So respect can't exist if you don't know the history, 230 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: right and and but see now we're we're becoming we 231 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: we are we are maybe the first generation of people 232 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: who will come into their eldership with the generation that 233 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: truly is not being taught their history in multiple ways. 234 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: So it's not like we didn't It's not like we 235 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: didn't keep certain his he's kept from us, But there 236 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: was a lot of oral history that we um that 237 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: we had, you know, if we understood you know that 238 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: kind of you know what I'm saying, who were the 239 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: great swore? Right? Who are the greats? Right? Because I 240 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: never one time and this is going to feel a 241 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: little random, but I feel like we're gonna have a 242 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: gen X moment right now. Okay, okay, let's get it. 243 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: So I was on on the people's Facebook a few 244 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: years ago and um, and Donnie the singer Donnie, they 245 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: are right. He's like, we are living amongst people, young 246 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: people who don't know who feel as dealers. And when 247 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: he said this, it was like it immediately touched me 248 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: in a place because I realized something about being a 249 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: late seventies early eighties baby is that there was a 250 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: lot of exposure not only to youth culture, but also 251 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: to legendary culture, like who were the legendary comedians, who 252 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: were the legendary actors and actresses and the you know 253 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: what I'm saying the Nicholas Brothers and the stread up stairs, 254 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: and the this and the and the music that was 255 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: in the house was the music that your parents listened to, 256 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: and you couldn't have nothing to do with that. It 257 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: was just gonna play and you was gonna gay and 258 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: you didn't always have access to your own personal like 259 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: space to where you can curate everything that you were 260 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: listening to and watching. So when one of the great 261 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: things is that our kids can actually have the opportunity 262 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: to be exposed to more, but because they can curate 263 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: it themselves, then they may not get that. So now 264 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: we're getting some young adults who would actually walk up 265 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: on a wallow and say, well, what have you done again? 266 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: What musical history? So you're gonna have a person going 267 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: to roll up on somebody and started talking to Yang 268 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: Yang and they don't know what they're talking about, right, 269 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: And and that's that's the part I feel like one 270 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: of the elements and it's been elements even a popular 271 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: podcast where for a couple of weeks the podcast we're 272 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: talking about how the old heads and hip hop aren't 273 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: shipped to the young people, like they're not passing. There 274 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: ain't nothing they but some bullshit and the dusty thank 275 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: you that that they was looking dusty, that's what it was. 276 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, listen, let me tell you something. Okay, 277 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 1: but see also too, I felt that it's it's interesting. Okay, 278 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to go to off subject, but that 279 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: whole thing where you had a whole bunch of old 280 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: school folks jump in and chime in on that, right 281 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: when part of the part of what was said originally 282 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: was like, these people look like they don't have money. Okay, 283 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: so that was part of the the original sin of 284 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: the comment. Hell yeah, but then you have and this 285 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: is something that we have to take responsible ability for 286 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: as gen xers and our obsession with entrepreneurship, right, we 287 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: have monetized our culture in such a way that we've 288 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: also created kind of capitalistic environment to where the people 289 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: who did create our ship are maybe living in squalor 290 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: actually be the funk dusty and might actually have a 291 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: moment experience in their life where they are not publicly revered, 292 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: so they lose the history and we are a part 293 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: of the generation that stole from itself yea, and they're 294 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: just being able to tour again that generation that wasn't 295 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 1: even our hip hop generation necessarily, and the last ten 296 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: years they've been able to monetize that music from thirty 297 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: years ago. And because be clear, is gonna sack subject 298 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: of the matter. The subject of the matter is at 299 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: any time those people back then, they were bawling. They 300 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: were doing just great. They had hit after hit. They 301 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: were worry Maybe it was on the Chicklan circuit for 302 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: some places, but they were working just like you're working, 303 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: and that what they were making. Then they the fight 304 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 1: just to get you paid. M hmm. The fight just 305 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: to get you paid is now turned into streaming would sling? 306 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: Don't forget we had an area in our lifetimes we're 307 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: sampling was created and that was a that was a 308 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: whole beef at the problem. We had to come back 309 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: and get checked, but we got checked as a generation 310 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: exact people came back and said, you're not going to 311 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: take my my music and not pay me. Absolutely in 312 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: a right and obviously it affected the ways in which 313 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: certain producers could be creative after that, But the truth 314 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: of the matter is you had to show improved. So 315 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: that's that. But the same clearing samples because of all 316 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: the people that were sued before boop boop, sorry exactly 317 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: that sampling that sampler era wasn't no more joke. The 318 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: thing that cracks me up is that if everything, if 319 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: the lips for everything, is about how successful, how much 320 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: money you make, It's just like, sis, are you serious? 321 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: Like you're getting paid? You getting paid a quarter of 322 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: a cent. I started out and we all are now 323 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: starting out at a quarter of a cent. So that 324 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: my first album sold for eighteen ninety nine, So let's 325 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: not But I'm just saying, like, let's not have this discussion. 326 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: I own my publishing. You in the three sixty. Who 327 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: the funk you're talking to? I like it when you 328 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: sound like that eight And honestly, I want to put 329 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: this out here, like my experiences with young women are 330 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: actually pretty freaking phenomenal. Like I will not even in 331 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: front with you, like I have such admiration for young women. 332 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: And when I say young women, I'm talking about seventeen 333 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: eighteen up until like I don't know, I guess a 334 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: young woman to be be ten years younger than me, 335 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: So thirty four, mm hmm, so eighteen the thirty four. 336 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: My experience is with these women are phenomenal. So want 337 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: to start there. But I'm saying there is a group 338 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: that don't be knowing what you're talking about, and you 339 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: don't know the history of how these things went and 340 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: the history of the industry in particular, because I feel 341 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of very very ignorant as people 342 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: out here to do not understand the history of the 343 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: music business. You haven't done your homework, and so when 344 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: you talk about how money is made and how things 345 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: are done, it's fine, too fit to look at what's 346 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: currently the ways in which people make money. That's fine, 347 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: And we can all learn from each other because you're 348 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: you're living in in an era that you don't know 349 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: any different this is. You're coming into it with it 350 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: as a baseline, So I have something to truly learn 351 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: from you in this moment. But not understand the history 352 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: of the other industry will help you to not see 353 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: that this is just a new form of the same 354 00:22:54,760 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: old manipulation, the same old steam, same old trash. Yeah, 355 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: and why they up blaming the people who created it. 356 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: You want to tell me I'm just not fast enough 357 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: or just against each other, remember that because I only 358 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: be one at a time. Listen to Jail literally just 359 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: talked to Millie Jackson not too long ago, and she 360 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: was talking about that. I said, because these ladies back 361 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: in the day, they didn't really have a lot of 362 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: girlfriends in the sister circle. Maybe one of the Millie 363 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: Jackson was like listening. I had to stop a reading 364 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: in the hallway one day and be like this, you're 365 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: gonna speak to me today. It's the competition was real, 366 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: the isolation orchestrated. It was orchestrated orchestrated back then. Now 367 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: that's why it's so. I mean not to name Next, 368 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 1: but I just think it's dope when people like you know, Next, 369 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: Stallon and the rest of them give props to like 370 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: the women that came before them, do records with these women. 371 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. But there are certain people 372 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: that you know, I mentioned it to you. I like 373 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: it when they do records with each other at the 374 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: end of the day. Yeah, and I've said this many 375 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: times before. I was just like the young girlies would 376 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: jump on a record with each other and two in 377 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: two seconds. And I'm sorry when we first started out, 378 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: you did not see that, you know, I haven't. I'm 379 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: trying to think, like if I if I do a song, 380 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: like if I do a song with another woman, then 381 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: I have to be doing something completely different than another woman. 382 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: That's just in my head. That's that sounds like that 383 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: old kind of thing that's kind of been knocked in 384 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: your head. I think this is from a creative standpoint, 385 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: and she wants to have diversity in the in that 386 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: creative moment, there's nobody that sounds like Jill Scott. Though 387 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: not at all so that I'm saying. But but you know, 388 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: that's the way that I've seen it. Like if I 389 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: that's that old, if I you know what a shock Now, 390 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: I didn't say that SHOCKA was this SHOCKA tell similar 391 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: stories even though she had babies, though she had Martha 392 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: washed babies, you know what I mean? Like she had 393 00:24:54,880 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 1: best of babies, but how many shocker duets? Right? Right? 394 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: But see that's the thing is that see that that 395 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: that there is like I said, we had we have respect, 396 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: but we also suffered. We respected our elders, but they 397 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: also kind of treated us a little shitty too and 398 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: kind of gave a shitty blue print. But they didn't 399 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: know no better. And I also feel like that is 400 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: a rite of passage, is it? I probably feel like 401 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: I told y'all. Aretha Franklin sent me to the corner 402 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: to get some hot dogs, and I went, but I 403 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: was nominated for grand needs, and I went to the 404 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: corner and I got us some hot dogs. And I 405 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: don't know that I won't with that Jill, I wouldn't 406 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: be I don't I don't think I would have gone 407 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: to I would have gone. And that's the part that 408 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: we don't know. If she could have asked anybody else, No, 409 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: she kissing, yo bitch asked because that's her old man. Yeah, 410 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: I mean, y'all, y'all, it's it's kind of I'm proud 411 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: of it. I'm happy to have had these experiences because 412 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: it's a right. It's like a writer Path said, I'm 413 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: not saying you get to treat me bad. I'm just 414 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: saying that I'm not mad at my experience with the greats. 415 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: You know, some of them were really freaking cool. Meeting 416 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: Tina Marie, I was singing love about North Philly. I 417 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: rewrote forth through love and and I didn't know she 418 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: was in the crowd. No off soth love. I came 419 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 1: to bring it, came and bring it, bring it to you. 420 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: They She's notoriously kind though she was so awesome. I mean, 421 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: so it's Patty, but it's yeah, So it's yes. But 422 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: again it's a difference between you and Gladdy's and Patty. 423 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like it's Gladdy, It's still there, 424 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: you know, Gladys and Patty do we The first versus 425 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: was the first time I said, Wow, we're gonna take 426 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: a quick break and then we'll be right back. But 427 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: I just want to go back to this. So there 428 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: is something, there is a way in which young women 429 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: are evolving beyond us as it pertains to sisterhood. Is 430 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: this part of the reason why there's a bit of 431 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: a disconnect If they see they see the kink in 432 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: the armor, and maybe they feel like they want to 433 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: say something about it, or maybe they you know, I 434 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just I'm playing the other Still, it's 435 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: still it's a It's not a black I'm gray in there. Man. 436 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: It's a lot of great you know. Okay, So I 437 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 1: don't know if you played this at the top of 438 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: the show or not, but I just got to bring 439 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: it up. So I follow her clear trapper on I 440 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: g and she talked about this whole thing. We're like 441 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: Why is it that this is not my opinion as hers? 442 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: Why is it that when you do when young women 443 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: do come and older women, it's not on the point 444 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: or the thing that they did, they mediately want to 445 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: be like be you oh, or you irrelevant, or you 446 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: so and so and something. You know what I'm saying. 447 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: Why you gotta come at my age like you? That's 448 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:15,479 Speaker 1: the things that everybody has, right if I'm if I'm slow, 449 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: if I'm not on my game, if something's particularly wrong 450 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: with what I did or said, okay, beat, But why 451 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: would you come at that like it's that's bad karma. 452 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: I don't even know why you want to do that. 453 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,959 Speaker 1: When you gotta get old, and that's bad karma. You're 454 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: gonna age bad, gonna say, and that's real. That's asked too. 455 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: It's gonna happen. It's gonna double size like this happens 456 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: to Aha. It happens all the things, all the things. 457 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: So it's I think it's really important to be mindful 458 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: of that. Now. Listen, I performed at the White House, 459 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: um a reath Franklin in wonder air condition. Well, this 460 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: the queen is so okay. This is how much reverence 461 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: that was had for Aretha Franklin, the President of the 462 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: United States, was like, Nah, if Miss Aretha Franklin doesn't 463 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: want air condition, we're not going to have air condition. 464 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: Everybody in the joint was soaking wet, wild. I would 465 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: have respected the person who cut the air. That's too far. 466 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: I get you, I'll get you, the hot dog bitch, 467 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: turn on the air. That ain't right. All of us 468 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: up in here suffered. Everybody, everybody, and you know, every 469 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: woman in their head on a pair of banks. I 470 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: for one, I for one. Couches were couches, were steam cooking. 471 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: Dear me, under wigs, baby under titties. That's that's that's far. 472 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: Let's be clear, that's not even what we're asking for. 473 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: Because there is a use of hour. Yes, yes, there 474 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: is an abuse of power. Don't do that. You have 475 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: to humble yourself to also know that as much as 476 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: you have accomplished, there are people that not only are 477 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: better than you say it, um, but they've also studied 478 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: you and have added something two, taking a piece of 479 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: something that you do and added a few more things 480 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: to it, and have created something else. Only some cocky 481 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: bag because a lot of the old girlies really kind 482 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: of can't get out their own head. Like these girls 483 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: have had you as an example, a honey, Like they 484 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: they're evolving, Like give them some love for their evolution. 485 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: Like they're evolving a thing that ye, okay, you created 486 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: and or you are a part of creating. But like, 487 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. Sometimes I think there's an energy in 488 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: general with women where it's just like we got this 489 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: little like timer, and everybody feels like they got only 490 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: this little bit of time in this business, especially right 491 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: Like it's a timer. So as soon as you feel 492 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: like that timer is almost up, then it's like now 493 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: it's time to get on the defensive or something like. 494 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: It's just very odd to me. But that's why I was, 495 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: like you talked about Flowers Earliers, very California, Cooper, what 496 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: I love you know Tony Morrison from me. And I'm 497 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: gonna say, I'm gonna separate her work in this moment. 498 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm just going to look at her life trajectory. Okay, 499 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: her work, obviously she's a genius. We're gonna set that 500 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: and we're gonna gonna put a little pen in it. 501 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: Her life trajectory was and here she was a woman 502 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: who was able to create a space in corporate America, 503 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: but still flex her creativity. And as soon as she 504 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: got into a position of power, what she did was 505 00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: empower an entire group of young for thinking, brilliant academics 506 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: and activists with opportunities and then publish their work. M 507 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: So before she goes and this is all before she 508 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: writes her first novel. So we're talking about a person 509 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: who was able to insert their actual power as a 510 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: young person, okay, to empower other young people, so her peers, 511 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: her peers who are doing other work, and then preserve 512 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: herself and pour into herself later on on the line 513 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: to become a creative powerhouse. And she had two little boys, 514 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: a boy her own self. So I just look at 515 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: that and I think to myself, like, okay, see, this 516 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: is what we're talking about here is creating opportunity, being 517 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: not afraid to see and acknowledge genius and not only 518 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: your peers but those who are who who you mentor right, 519 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,959 Speaker 1: and just to have the same that the kind of 520 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: confidence and that you have time. Because there's no way 521 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: that Tony Morrison was on a timer. Come on, you 522 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: want your first now? You were forty plus years old 523 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: when you did that you see are you here? And next? 524 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: Are you? Are you? She didn't hear no clock ticking, 525 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: so it's no need for her to come at the 526 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: young girls, because why my clock is not ticking? What 527 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: is where is the fear coming from? It is coming from, 528 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:41,719 Speaker 1: you know, not being attractive anymore? Like what you're you, mama, 529 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: like you're you? So I'm not quite sure I understand that. 530 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: And you remember how you look when you were twenty 531 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: two as twenty. I don't care what you do. Twenty 532 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: is always gonna be us, It's all I'm saying. Always, 533 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: I'll give how good you aging? And I love us 534 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: and we're amazing. And yes, the blacks don't crack it, 535 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: but baby, the black it don't crack it, but it 536 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: does crea and that's and that's a beautiful thing too, Like, yeah, 537 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. I'm hoping that you 538 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 1: get it. That that that the older girls, you know, 539 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:36,800 Speaker 1: the ones you accomplish girls, Um that you find uh 540 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: that you open the door, open the door, let somebody in, 541 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,399 Speaker 1: Um you find somebody amazing. I tend to do this 542 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: a lot. I don't. I don't you know, nobody notices 543 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: what they don't say. Anything about it. But you know, 544 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: I don't find people that are dope at fuck and 545 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: be like yo, they don't. I say, I do that 546 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: a lot, and I like it. I always feel better after, 547 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I like that feeling like 548 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: I like, I like what she did there. I like 549 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: what he did there, Like putting people on the dope 550 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: people in dope things. Yes, it's you know, opening the 551 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: door for somebody else. Like I don't know if I'm 552 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: opening the door. I'm just saying that's good, you know. 553 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 1: I like that. I just feel like proximity in general 554 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: is okay. I think a lot of times there's a 555 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: sense that you mean, I gotta go outside. No no, no, no, 556 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: gotta go outside. No no no. I just meant that 557 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 1: a lot of times. I think what makes mentorship difficult, 558 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: or even just friendship or even just kind of just 559 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: being around as general kind of you know, person to 560 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,879 Speaker 1: be there as someone who's like a person could copy 561 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: their trajectory, is that proximity gets weird sometimes with people. 562 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: I think where it's just like, like I said, like, 563 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,280 Speaker 1: how much do I give of myself in this moment? 564 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: How much like when you talked about that whole moment 565 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: where you're saying, it's a rite of passage, right, So 566 00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: how much? And then we talked about we talked with 567 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,760 Speaker 1: Nina too when she said some things you just gotta start, 568 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: like I can't baby you right through the process, Like 569 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: you have to live in this process yourself. And that's 570 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: that's part of what made me me, was that I 571 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: did certain things and I showed that tenacity and did 572 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: the things that needed to be done right. And so 573 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: I do think there's sometimes with with youth, it can 574 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: be a bit of a Missican communication with that, like 575 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 1: Jill will say, like Jill would have every reason in 576 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: the world to give somebody this advice. I don't know 577 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: if you ever have, but I've I've heard your story 578 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: many times, and I feel like I think this is 579 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: like legit. Okay, how miss Jill um, if I really 580 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: wanted to get in um, you know, involved in in 581 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: theater and music, like, how would I do it? And 582 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: you said, oh girl, go clean the toilet. I was. 583 00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: I shined them floors. You feel me? Right? Yeah, So 584 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: just as that person would have to kind of say, 585 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 1: be able to and take that, I feel like maybe 586 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: we should also be able to understand that that was 587 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: the type of sacrifice that you had to make released 588 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 1: on the time period in which you had to come 589 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:24,399 Speaker 1: into your woman nous that full its is you gotta 590 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: get up and make content every day. Sis. Now, this 591 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: part is tough because I really feel as an actor 592 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: that you know, an actor who's continuously trying to get 593 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 1: better at this thing. But I really feel like that 594 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: time was super valuable. All the things that I learned, Um, 595 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 1: the moment when I had to stand up for myself, 596 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: the moment when I had to eat humble pie, you know, Um, 597 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: the exhaustion and learning through exhaustion, Like all of those 598 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:04,399 Speaker 1: things I would equate to, you know, Beyonce's dad having 599 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: her running heels, Like the preparation for the thing is 600 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. And the humility of having to 601 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: you know, clean them damn toilets, you know, and then 602 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: get the tickets and then go to the class after that. 603 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 1: Like there's a certain humility that's involved in it. And 604 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 1: I think that that might be a big portion of 605 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: what's missing. Because you can just and I don't mean 606 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 1: to be disrespectful at all when I say this, but 607 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 1: because you can just sing a song on TikTok or 608 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: on YouTube or on Instagram. You can create a whole 609 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: bunch of followers and um, get a career out of it. Like, 610 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: get a whole career out of it. Man, you're so lucky. 611 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: You're lucky girl. That's how I feel about podcast. Asked 612 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: them with radio, so you could just radio show. You 613 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,879 Speaker 1: ain't got to do the college, the internships, none of those. 614 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: Just start talking. Nobody tell you that you got a 615 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: minute to get it out. Nothing, You just tell all 616 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: the stories. Go ahead. Wow, there's kind of I mean, 617 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 1: it is amazing. But I just think that there's a 618 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,280 Speaker 1: part of the writer passage that's fair. I know content creators, 619 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna tell y'all like there's a grind 620 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: involved with Oh I wasn't. I wasn't say. I'm just like, 621 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:38,280 Speaker 1: it is not singing. That content is creating new content 622 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 1: on a daily basis and a way to be interesting. 623 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: That's a lot of work. And that's probably why I 624 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: don't do that work, Like I feel like that's for 625 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: somebody else. I do other work. It's a lot. And 626 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,479 Speaker 1: I'm separating with my point from what Jill was saying 627 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,600 Speaker 1: because I talk about podcasting because in the in the 628 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,359 Speaker 1: process of podcasts and becoming popular, black radio has kind 629 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: of been killed. So just me as timing like a victim, 630 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 1: you know, going to school for this thing my whole life. 631 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: But I'm happy. I'm happy that everybody can get to 632 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: this medium easier differently, and whatever else polically correct you 633 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: need me to say, and not sound like a bitter 634 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: black radio person, because I really loved black radio and 635 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that for someone. Let's pull somebody out 636 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,400 Speaker 1: of nineteen sixty two and put them in today, and 637 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: they're probably like, wait a minute, Oh it's easy ship, right, 638 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 1: we got yeah, you're right now. Somebody from two Wait 639 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: a minute, you can walk in the front door. You 640 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: could just drink, you just right, you can just drink. 641 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: You don't have to go down in the truck all 642 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,399 Speaker 1: the way and then climb out and then go go 643 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: down into the valley and go behind in the fifth 644 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: tree to get a bucket of moon shine that you 645 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 1: gotta bring back up and then hope you don't get 646 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: caught on the and you know, and the truck on 647 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: the on the road by the police because moonshine or 648 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: get you in life in prison. I'm just saying that 649 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,279 Speaker 1: I respected too that it's easier for them so they 650 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,240 Speaker 1: don't necessarily have to do the things that we've done 651 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: yet and still but easier, easier in terms of not 652 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 1: having to do the grind the same grind you had 653 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 1: so many different. Easier in general, just easier as it 654 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,879 Speaker 1: pertains to what your particular the story is. They didn't 655 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: have to do that thing, but they have to do 656 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: another thing that maybe you don't have the wherewith all 657 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 1: followers to followers don't drop out the sky, no understand 658 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: it's assisted and do things in order for that to 659 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: happen that wass don't just happen ag. I know some 660 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 1: of our some of our listeners though, because we have 661 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,320 Speaker 1: a wide range of age ranges that listen to this show. 662 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes that is the perception I understand of the elders 663 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: of the elders, and that people do anything for followers, 664 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: when that's not also the true either. Some of the 665 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: more established and very well rounded creators who have the 666 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 1: high level partnerships with corporations that make good money are 667 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,840 Speaker 1: making content that is not based around doing just any 668 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: old thing for like and that is the truth. Yeah. 669 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:49,839 Speaker 1: I miss black Radio, Oh just the time more conversation 670 00:42:50,040 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 1: after the break. This is the part about getting older. Yeah, 671 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,279 Speaker 1: because we did have to do not just us, because 672 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,760 Speaker 1: I keep saying we, and that's I just mean any 673 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,879 Speaker 1: generation that is older than you, That's what I really mean. 674 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 1: I'm not you know, yeah, any generation that's older than you. 675 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,279 Speaker 1: You know, they've really had to put in a lot 676 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: of effort for you to do all the things that 677 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 1: you're doing, all the things that you're doing. So it 678 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: seems to be giving your opinion. They've been giving your opinions, 679 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,880 Speaker 1: even giving your opinion arriving in this place that we 680 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 1: can deal with trauma, arrive what like a lot of 681 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 1: people had to hurt, back, suck down venom and still 682 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,320 Speaker 1: achieved everything in a broad stroke so that you can benefit. 683 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: Can I just say in this moment, I just want 684 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 1: to shout out the living legends. I literally went to 685 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,320 Speaker 1: an event a couple of weeks ago for the living legends, 686 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: the black living legends in this music industry because nobody 687 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 1: ever thinks about they, or folks, the folks that were 688 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 1: in the record company throughout all the departments through it. 689 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,280 Speaker 1: Now aged that's a show I want to see. That's 690 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,240 Speaker 1: that's a show I want to see but maybe because 691 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 1: I'm you know, coming from this place where I admire 692 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,319 Speaker 1: so many people that have come before me, Like think 693 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,399 Speaker 1: about Team to Turner, Just think about Oh, I don't 694 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: want the mud and the muck that she had to 695 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:35,800 Speaker 1: come through, okay, just to be filling out stadiums around 696 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 1: the world again and again and like wow, I'm okay. 697 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: Do you know what I would like to see the 698 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,280 Speaker 1: show there? You honor someone before you, but you don't 699 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,839 Speaker 1: honor them by playing their music. You honor them by 700 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,759 Speaker 1: playing music that has been infused with them or inspired 701 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,840 Speaker 1: by them, the next generation of what they can't what 702 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,600 Speaker 1: they offered. It's a TV show, Joe, I know, I 703 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,360 Speaker 1: would much prefer to see that because it's cool to 704 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: have Anderson Pack playing you know, is it the way 705 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,120 Speaker 1: like that sounds like I just spent on it. I 706 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,239 Speaker 1: want to hear the Anderson Pack spin on it. I 707 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,880 Speaker 1: want to hear him. Where would the influence be, you know, 708 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 1: like with with Glady's Night, that tone, that richness, that um, 709 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:26,359 Speaker 1: those wonderful stories, beautiful stories like oh and and her 710 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,880 Speaker 1: brother's you know, she's She's got Gladys Knight and the 711 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 1: Pips and I called my my background singers the pipes. 712 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,279 Speaker 1: You know, it's for it's for a reason. It's an 713 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:39,440 Speaker 1: homage to Gladys Knight and the Pips. I believe in that. 714 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: I believe that there there's a place for homage and respect. 715 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,440 Speaker 1: I do. But I think it goes back to what 716 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, which is which is knowing history right. 717 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,719 Speaker 1: Knowing the history gives you an opportunity to have the 718 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:58,759 Speaker 1: humility which then you know, gives the respect. I was like, 719 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:05,280 Speaker 1: if you don't know from if you don't know the history, 720 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,319 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a hard time. I'm gonna say this 721 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:15,879 Speaker 1: to you, guys um as a person who makes music, right, 722 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: but who has a very very niche audience, right. It 723 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,719 Speaker 1: has always been something It's something I've thought about over 724 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,200 Speaker 1: the years, like about the idea of how would one 725 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: be remembered right? How would one feel if your story, 726 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,640 Speaker 1: if all, if at all, was worthy of telling, you know, 727 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,319 Speaker 1: in terms of the history of a thing, right, And 728 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 1: I do wonder about that in terms of and so 729 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 1: that's why in many ways I do feel like it's 730 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:55,640 Speaker 1: important to pour into young people. Can't count on people 731 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,960 Speaker 1: to tell your story they and this has happened to 732 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,040 Speaker 1: us as it grew. Many times people will leave you out. 733 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,359 Speaker 1: They will and yes this is Shade miss pronounce your name. 734 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:12,759 Speaker 1: They act like you weren't there. They did put that 735 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:18,280 Speaker 1: episode out, y'all that, so you know, they will also 736 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,320 Speaker 1: tell a whole ful outlies something that didn't even happen. 737 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,759 Speaker 1: So I think it's really important that if you want 738 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,280 Speaker 1: the history to be told, that you're intentional about telling 739 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: the history and making sure that young people know it. 740 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,200 Speaker 1: They're not gonna get it from anyone other than you. 741 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,480 Speaker 1: Right if you keep if we keep allowing or expecting 742 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 1: the world to tell them, then we're gonna keep having 743 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 1: that situation with Gilly. It's like, you have to tell 744 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,759 Speaker 1: your story. And imagine if at the top of that 745 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,800 Speaker 1: podcast that there was a little voiceover that said that 746 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,759 Speaker 1: talked about the host of that show, where they came from, 747 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,799 Speaker 1: and what they did, so that anyone who listened to 748 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 1: that podcast will have to hear that. And I'm not 749 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,839 Speaker 1: telling us to do that, let me assert that, let 750 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,600 Speaker 1: me not listen. I don't want to go there. I'm 751 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,239 Speaker 1: just saying, but just think about just the the individual 752 00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,480 Speaker 1: way that we interact with people to be in the 753 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,480 Speaker 1: habit of telling. And I know Laia is this type 754 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,360 Speaker 1: of person absolutely because I witness her do too. Layah 755 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,440 Speaker 1: will take every opportunity when communicating with others to make 756 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,839 Speaker 1: sure they know the history. So if you're listening to 757 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,560 Speaker 1: this podcast and you are a woman of a significant age, 758 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,360 Speaker 1: you make sure that the young women around you, the 759 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,680 Speaker 1: young girls around you, they know who they came from. 760 00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,240 Speaker 1: They know these women's names, so it becomes like second nature. 761 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,480 Speaker 1: They're not gonna learn it in school. They're not going 762 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,080 Speaker 1: to because that's we didn't learn it in school, you 763 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,279 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And the media is more and 764 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,480 Speaker 1: more and more and more and more cultivated in a 765 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 1: way that's very individual, so we can count on media 766 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,279 Speaker 1: to tell them. We have to be a part of 767 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,200 Speaker 1: the oral tradition that says we have to make sure 768 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:04,520 Speaker 1: that we're respected, loved, revered, and that those histories are known. 769 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:12,520 Speaker 1: Because I was here maybe black, yes, ugly, go ahead, 770 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:22,600 Speaker 1: my dear god, I'm here here. Oh h thank you 771 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 1: so much, Thank you so much for listening to Jay 772 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 1: dot Ilga podcast. It is really a pleasure. I learned 773 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:38,799 Speaker 1: something every time I talked to you women, every time, 774 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:46,239 Speaker 1: every time, every time like, oh, this is why, Oh 775 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,560 Speaker 1: I've been holding on. Oh I love y'all. I love 776 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,400 Speaker 1: you too, I do. I love y'all. I want to 777 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,560 Speaker 1: shout out to Jean carn I run into all the 778 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,719 Speaker 1: time at where in Philly? She was a Philly Yes, 779 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,919 Speaker 1: I know that, but where are you? She's a West 780 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,960 Speaker 1: Philly girl at the co op. Yeah, she's always telling me, 781 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 1: like she told me one time about how to high 782 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,920 Speaker 1: vegetables in the smoothies for the kids. Yeah, and um yeah, 783 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:21,560 Speaker 1: she's always super supportive and kind and loving. Wow, that's 784 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,920 Speaker 1: so crazy. Her unsung is aeron tonight as we do this, 785 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:28,560 Speaker 1: we take this show. Please watch that ship. She's a 786 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,680 Speaker 1: jewel of a person. She is a person, and her 787 00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,759 Speaker 1: business acumen she's been passing it down for a long time, 788 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,799 Speaker 1: vocal coach to a lot of women, a lot of 789 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,160 Speaker 1: people period. So one more thing, I just want to 790 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:44,960 Speaker 1: say to you, if you've ever met some money that 791 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,800 Speaker 1: you really admire. They didn't work out the way he thought. 792 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,080 Speaker 1: Just forgive them. Don't forgive them. They know what they do. 793 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,520 Speaker 1: You know they don't. They weren't there said the thing 794 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,880 Speaker 1: that that changed their your perspective. They weren't there, you know, 795 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,480 Speaker 1: with people, and then they might be trapped at the airport, 796 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,360 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Or they might just be 797 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,960 Speaker 1: raggedy ass individual that could make really good art, or 798 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,680 Speaker 1: maybe they have to pooh. Maybe it could be a 799 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,120 Speaker 1: lot of things, but we need to meet everybody. Disappoint 800 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,600 Speaker 1: you know, I met a hero of mine and I 801 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,640 Speaker 1: I used to sing her songs all the time, and 802 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,320 Speaker 1: I it needed now that I hear like hurt still. 803 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:34,040 Speaker 1: That was a disappointed moment, and I still love it. 804 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,640 Speaker 1: I still love the music. I just can't listen to 805 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:41,399 Speaker 1: it anymore. M h I had I had a hero 806 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,759 Speaker 1: hurt by feelers with time too. It was bad. It 807 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,200 Speaker 1: wasn't bad bad. We're actually cool now, which is funny. 808 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,120 Speaker 1: I want to get cool, but I'm I'm nervous. I 809 00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,280 Speaker 1: love y'all, and I thank you so much for listening 810 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,399 Speaker 1: to Jay dot Ilda podcast. We do how we do 811 00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:03,760 Speaker 1: and it's it's genuine, that's it. How do you eat 812 00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:10,720 Speaker 1: an elephant? One by it time? Hey, listeners, it's Amber 813 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,560 Speaker 1: the producer here. As a young girl myself. I love 814 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,839 Speaker 1: this episode. A big theme that seems to keep coming 815 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,160 Speaker 1: back around on the show is really knowing your histories. 816 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,680 Speaker 1: I think we can all benefit from getting a little 817 00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,520 Speaker 1: more curious about each other, culture, our stories. The ladies 818 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,400 Speaker 1: talked about social media icon Cleo Trappa during today's episode, 819 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,400 Speaker 1: and you heard a little bit of her audio. You 820 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,080 Speaker 1: can find her on Instagram at I Am Cleo Trappa. 821 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,959 Speaker 1: Now that's Trappa, not Patra. I'll also drop a link 822 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:55,400 Speaker 1: in our show notes, Hi if you have comments on 823 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,520 Speaker 1: something he said in this episode called eight six six. Hey, 824 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,239 Speaker 1: if you want to add to this conversation, that's eight 825 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,280 Speaker 1: six six four nine five four five five. 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