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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we've been

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Speaker 1: tempted to repeat our fortieth birthday every year since we

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Speaker 1: officially crossed the rubicon, So why not offer that gift

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Speaker 1: to one of our faves, Megan Rapino. It's Tuesday, December thirtieth,

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Speaker 1: and this week we're running back a few of our

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Speaker 1: favorite interviews from twenty twenty five. Today it's our belated

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Speaker 1: birthday celebration for Soccer Legend, Fashion Icon Podcast or Extraordinary

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Speaker 1: Inspiration and all around good time. Megan Rapino, the now

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Speaker 1: retired NWSL and US Women's national team standout, join the

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Speaker 1: show back in July to talk about turning forty, finding

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Speaker 1: joy post retirement, what's on her decade to do list,

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Speaker 1: co hosting a podcast with her Beyonce Soue Bird, what's

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Speaker 1: lost when athletes don't use their voices, and being.

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Speaker 2: A target per Far Right foolishness.

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Speaker 1: And since we're reversing time here, feel free to choose

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Speaker 1: your favorite age to be while listening enjoy my chat

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Speaker 1: with Megan after the break.

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Speaker 2: Joining us now it's the belated birthday bitch herself.

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Speaker 1: She's one of the most decorated, celebrated, venerated caffeinated, oft imitated,

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Speaker 1: but never duplicated women's soccer players ever. A three time

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Speaker 1: Olympian and twenty twelve Olympic gold medalist, two time World

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Speaker 1: Role Player of the Year, and the Sports Illustrated Sportsperson

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Speaker 1: of the Year. A three time NWSL Shield winner with

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Speaker 1: the Seattle Rain who retired her number fifteen jersey. She's

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Speaker 1: won half of a touch more the podcast with Sue Bird.

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Speaker 1: She's a passionista, a trendsetter, a tireless advocate and activist,

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Speaker 1: a former Time one hundred Most Influential People, and a

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Speaker 1: recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom back when being

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Speaker 1: president actually meant something. She yiaded her achilles in her

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Speaker 1: final game, and now she has her site set out

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Speaker 1: nothing less than world domination. We presume Pino Bird twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty eight. It's Meghan Rapino Hi Peno, Hi Hi Hi Wow.

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Speaker 3: What an introduction.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I mean, you got to really cut

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Speaker 1: that down. There is too much to say about you,

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Speaker 1: and now you are on the right side of forty

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Speaker 1: happy belated birthday.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you feels good over here.

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Speaker 2: It feels good. It really does.

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Speaker 1: I used to think old people were lying, and I'm like, no,

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Speaker 1: I get it now.

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Speaker 2: And I was going to tell you my advice.

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Speaker 1: For all people who are newly forty, which is basically

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Speaker 1: that everything other than your body falling apart is better

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Speaker 2: And you give zero fix. But the problem is you've

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Speaker 1: So I'm actually slightly concerned about what Meghan Rapino Postborty

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Speaker 4: To be like about probably giving a couple more fix

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Speaker 4: in different places, which is good. You know, I'm getting

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Speaker 4: my seasoning is maturing in my older age. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean I'm still just like, what's happening.

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Speaker 2: That's happening? What are we doing?

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Speaker 1: Like a fine wine, you could say, which is actually

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Speaker 1: where you celebrated your birthday?

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Speaker 2: In one of my happy places.

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Speaker 1: It's where I had my bachelorette, It's where my husband

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Speaker 1: and I celebrated are pre anniversary before we got married.

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Speaker 1: Tell us about the fortieth birthday celebrations. Oh it was

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Speaker 1: Sue Bird did a number on the So let me

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Speaker 4: Let Sue plan a trip for them, which you likely

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Speaker 3: It was so nice.

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Speaker 4: It like you know when like your vacation actually matches

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Speaker 4: It's like it's good you've blocked things out, so like

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Speaker 4: mean we did it really chill. It was like one

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Speaker 4: winery sort of like late morning, early afternoon, pool time,

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Speaker 4: great dinners every night. Got to experience the French laundry

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Speaker 4: You know some of those places, like those fancy dancy places,

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Speaker 1: I always call them a foam in a splooge place

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Speaker 4: It's like it ends up being like the foam that

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Speaker 4: The French laundry. Every single bite was amazing, and then

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Speaker 4: My sister was there, Rachel, my twin sister, who was

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's so nice. I love that. What do you

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Speaker 1: Gosh, it's probably just like all the working out.

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Speaker 2: I'm fucking over it.

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Speaker 4: I'm just like I can still do some stuff like

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Speaker 2: Most washing me?

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Speaker 2: That's definitely the most wash part about me.

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Speaker 3: Nothing better than getting into bed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the thing that still makes you feel the

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Speaker 4: You know? Right now I feel And it took me

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Speaker 4: I think the experience of finding joy and like having

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Speaker 3: The final and the locker room. Those are the two things.

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Speaker 4: I think those are the only two things that I'm like,

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Speaker 3: So that's why cooking is so nice.

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Speaker 4: I rehabbed probably seventy five percent of what I would of.

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Speaker 2: You're like in the next twenty years.

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Speaker 2: But like, no, I wanted to play the game. I

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Speaker 2: Tape or he'll lift in there or something.

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Speaker 1: Plenty more with Megan coming up right after this, A

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Speaker 1: lot of your teammates former teammates have retired in the

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Speaker 1: Becky Sowerbrun, Alex Morgan, sam Us, Kelly O'Hara, Meghan Klingenberg.

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Speaker 2: It's just this whole era of players.

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Speaker 1: That meant so much to the national team. What's it

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like it feels just like a steady succession.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I wanted to ask you about that

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Speaker 2: Maybe we will. I hope we will.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think the first thing I say, I

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Speaker 4: I don't even think that's like a controversial thing to

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Speaker 4: Like the more you are involved, the better it's going

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Speaker 2: The business of it.

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Speaker 4: Because while things have gotten better, of course now it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: So I think they'll find their ways into the things

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Speaker 3: Going to be like that, that's just natural.

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Speaker 4: So I think that would like if I would have

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Speaker 2: But like, the less you do, the worse it will

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Speaker 4: So like, be involved in those things, be involved in

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Speaker 3: I always say this like it's yours. Like the players, the.

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Speaker 2: But like, no matter what, like it's yours.

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Speaker 4: So I think the more that they're involved and the

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Speaker 2: I also think the players are.

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Speaker 1: as like the larger political landscape is changing so drastically

443
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Speaker 1: with the new administration, is that they always warned that

444
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Speaker 1: in political times of what feel like calm for those

445
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Speaker 1: whose party is in power and who things are going

446
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Speaker 1: well for, there does tend to be a relaxing and

447
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 1: during that time, you sort of think everything's fixed without

448
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 1: recognizing that the other side is working double time to

449
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 1: get back. And that's when ree View Wade gets overturned,

450
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Speaker 1: and that's when this administration starts taking things back that

451
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Speaker 1: we've sort of started taking for granted. So sometimes in

452
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,479
Speaker 1: the calm moments is actually when you need to be

453
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 1: working double hard to get things passed while the things

454
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Speaker 1: that are in place, the people that are in place

455
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Speaker 1: are more likely to be amenable to it. And so

456
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Speaker 1: right now it feels like we're so overwhelmed by the

457
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Speaker 1: millions of things that are going wrong, and I'm thinking, man,

458
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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, we should have been pushing

459
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Speaker 1: for even more of the things that we wanted so

460
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Speaker 1: that it'd be harder for them to claw them back,

461
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Speaker 1: which is something to consider for women athletes right now

462
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Speaker 1: as we worry about like what's what's to come? I wonder,

463
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Speaker 1: you know, you're such an incredible voice for progressive women,

464
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Speaker 1: pushing us to demand more and expect more.

465
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Speaker 2: And deserve more.

466
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Speaker 1: And I've told you this before, But I look up

467
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Speaker 1: to you so much because I need women who are

468
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Speaker 1: even bolder than I am, who are even more fearless

469
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Speaker 1: than I am, who are even more out ahead of

470
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Speaker 1: things than I am, because I feel like I am,

471
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Speaker 1: and I still get scared sometimes, or still feel like

472
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 1: I need to step back sometimes. When, if ever, have

473
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Speaker 1: you felt scared or nervous about standing up for yourself

474
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Speaker 1: or marginalized groups for whom you advocate.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's always like in the mix.

476
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Speaker 4: Some for sure, you're always sort of like making the calculation.

477
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Speaker 4: I think for me, it's like do I believe in

478
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Speaker 4: it or not? And if I do, then it's going

479
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Speaker 4: to be something that I want to talk about and

480
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Speaker 4: I want to stand for and I want to be

481
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Speaker 4: there for.

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Speaker 3: I think the law larger thing is like strategy.

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Speaker 4: So I think that, you know, especially from twenty sixteen

484
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Speaker 4: to twenty there was like a particular strategy that was working.

485
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Speaker 4: It was bullet it was up front, it was sort

486
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Speaker 4: of banging the drama.

487
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Speaker 2: It was explicit.

488
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Speaker 4: Maybe that's not working as well or as much now, Okay,

489
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Speaker 4: so how do we shift strategy?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's a really interesting.

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Speaker 4: Opportunity right now for women's sports and for women athletes

492
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Speaker 4: and female athletes.

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Speaker 3: It's like the.

494
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Speaker 4: Tide of the country is sort of moving more conservative,

495
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Speaker 4: or you could say that obviously with this administration and

496
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Speaker 4: the roll back of everything and just progressive values in general.

497
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Speaker 4: And yet women's sports is the most popular thing that's

498
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Speaker 4: happening right So everybody seems to be fine with that.

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Speaker 2: They love going to watch the basketball games, they love

500
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Speaker 2: going to.

501
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Speaker 3: Watch the national team.

502
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Speaker 4: So like, what is that opportunity that you can use

503
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Speaker 4: as a female athlete to say, like, Okay.

504
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Speaker 2: We're rolling back Row v.

505
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Speaker 4: Wade or we're rolling back all of these rights, and

506
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 4: yet you still want to watch me play, and yet

507
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 4: you still want this to happen. You still want your

508
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 4: daughter to have the opportunity and your son to have

509
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Speaker 4: the opportunity to grow up in this kind of world.

510
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Speaker 4: So like you're still the role model. And I think

511
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Speaker 4: that's something that's so special about athletes, like just by

512
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Speaker 4: nature of sports, like you're setting the right example, you're

513
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Speaker 4: doing the right thing, you're trying your hardest, you're working

514
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Speaker 4: with your teammates, you're you know, having respect for other people,

515
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Speaker 4: you have discipline, you have joy, you're playing, it's go

516
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Speaker 4: for your body, all of these things. So I think

517
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Speaker 4: that's how I encourage athletes now, because it is daunting.

518
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's daunting for me personally, it's

519
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Speaker 4: daunting just in general. It's like such a flood of

520
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 4: just insanity and horror, quite frankly, And so how do

521
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Speaker 4: we use the thing that has always been our best

522
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 4: skill and our most important thing and our like our

523
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Speaker 4: biggest cudgel. Really, how do we continue to use that

524
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Speaker 4: to talk about the things we care about and to

525
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Speaker 4: articulate and narrate the world we want to live in,

526
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Speaker 4: not necessarily trying to combat everything that we're experiencing right now.

527
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Speaker 1: Well, and to your point of it being a culdual,

528
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Speaker 1: I think leagues can use it by telling places, hey,

529
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Speaker 1: we're not bringing a team, an expansion team to your city,

530
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Speaker 1: a city where women do not have.

531
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Speaker 2: Control of their own health care decisions.

532
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Speaker 1: We do not feel comfortable in a sport that drafts

533
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Speaker 1: players somewhere where they don't choose to go, where they

534
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Speaker 1: will not be in control of what they do with

535
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Speaker 1: their bodies. And I think there can be certainly some

536
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Speaker 1: discussions about safety and otherwise that can help them use

537
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Speaker 1: it to say, you're not getting the revenue and the

538
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Speaker 1: attention and the excitement that our league would bring to

539
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Speaker 1: you unless you start to address some of the ways

540
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Speaker 1: that you're not a safe place for women.

541
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Speaker 3: And also just like provide the games in general.

542
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Speaker 4: The experience and the fanfare and the environment that is

543
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Speaker 4: women's sports leagues and games is categorically different, and it's

544
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Speaker 4: progressive and it's radical. It always has been, it always

545
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Speaker 4: will be. So that's just like almost like a safe

546
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Speaker 4: space within a city. Like I'm going, you know, to

547
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Speaker 4: the Kansas City game.

548
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I love that I'm going to that game.

549
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 4: I'm gonna feel safe, I'm gonna express myself and I'm

550
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Speaker 4: going to be able to show up with my friends,

551
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Speaker 4: my family, whatever that looks like.

552
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Speaker 2: I think those spaces are really important to just to

553
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Speaker 2: exist in.

554
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Speaker 1: Jail and to protect as more money comes in, as

555
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: more owners come in that are from the men's leagues

556
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Speaker 1: with the money as opposed to maybe being endemic to

557
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Speaker 1: the women's space, making sure that they still protect an

558
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Speaker 1: honor and.

559
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Speaker 2: Center of the players in the way that it has been.

560
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Speaker 2: You are still treated like a target by the far right.

561
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Speaker 1: They love me, and because of the current extremely media landscape,

562
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: your name is often invoked as a way to signal

563
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: wokeness with tons of literal fake news headlines like Megan

564
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: Rappino disqualified from Pro Soccer Hall of Fame.

565
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Speaker 2: Which you know not true. How do you deal with this?

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Speaker 1: Do you have a strategy Like if a family member's like, hey,

567
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: did you see this?

568
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Speaker 2: Or if you happen.

569
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Speaker 1: Upon something, or if you, god forbid, accidentally read the comments,

570
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: which I literally never do, how do you even process

571
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: and deal with it? You know? I learned this very

572
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: early on after kneeling, and I feel like it was

573
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 1: just such an epiphany for Kaepernick.

574
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 2: For those who don't remember, yeah, yeah, kneeling with Colin Kaepernick.

575
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 4: It was such an epiphany moment for me, and it

576
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 4: was like, it's not real. This isn't real for me,

577
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 4: this isn't the world I live in. Sometimes it has

578
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 4: real life consequences, yes, but like the President tweeted at

579
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 4: me two different World Cups in a row, I had

580
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 4: the exact opposite performance in the World Cups and he

581
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 4: basically said the same thing. So I'm like, this isn't

582
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 4: This isn't real. Like the headline that I got kicked

583
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 4: out of a Guy Fieri restaurant that's obviously fake and

584
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 4: like kind of funny.

585
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 2: Too much dobbu sauce.

586
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, too much, too many bleached tips for both of us.

587
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: I don't know what's happening.

588
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 4: I look at it like, what is actually happening, Like

589
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 4: some of the stuff. Yeah, Like I've had extra security

590
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 4: at games because there's death threats and we want to

591
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 4: be safe. But I think for the most part, like

592
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 4: a they talk about me because they're scared of me

593
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 4: and they don't like what I say, And I'm like

594
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 4: an avatar for this world that they don't want, which

595
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 4: is where people can be themselves and progressive ideals and

596
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,479
Speaker 4: everybody can kind of go about their business, so they

597
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 4: sort of I see myself as like an avatar and

598
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 4: a real person. Like it's like I'm also like, what's

599
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 4: the opposite of wokeness, like a sleepness?

600
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Speaker 2: I'd rather not I'd rather be awake to it.

601
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 4: But I think my strategy really is just to like

602
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 4: stay rooted in reality. I'm amazing partner obviously in Sue

603
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 4: who keeps me grounded and family and people that I

604
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 4: work with, And I'm also like, what do I want

605
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 4: to say, like, I can't control what happens in the

606
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 4: right wing sort of media sphere or when they use

607
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 4: me or when they don't, or what they say about me,

608
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 4: but I can control what I say, what I'm messaging.

609
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 4: I always feel about the more I am mentioned over there,

610
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 4: the closer I am to the white hot center. That's

611
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 4: usually how it goes. The more that I'm onto something.

612
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: Or yes, I feel the same way. There's a certain

613
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: site that it's like it always pings me. I have

614
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: a Google alert mainly for like this show or to

615
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: see if things get picked up. Yeah, and when I

616
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: get on there all the time for things unrelated to me,

617
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: but they have to make sure they squeeze my name

618
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: in there.

619
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm in your freaking head.

620
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're so pissed because I'm getting it right

621
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: and I'm hitting you where it hurts, and so You've

622
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: got to keep bringing me up and trying to take

623
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: me down.

624
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: But to your point, it's not real. Yeah.

625
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 4: I think there's also a part of it which I

626
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 4: try to talk about this and like I think is

627
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 4: a real part of social media.

628
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: There's like a huge number of just fake accounts and.

629
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 4: Their whole job is to either start the controversy themselves

630
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 4: or I'm sure they have a list of hot button

631
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 4: words and it's probably like Kaepernick, Manger, Pino, Kaylin Clark, WNBS,

632
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 4: Angel Reese, like whoever, trans athletes, trans athletes, god forbid

633
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 4: the like one kid in Louisiana want to play softball whatever.

634
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: I think, like, those things are very real.

635
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 4: So it's like, what is really happening, Like, Okay, a

636
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 4: narrative or a headline is popping off, Okay, like where

637
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 4: did it come from? Who wrote about it? What's actually happening?

638
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 4: Where did it originate? Is it real?

639
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: Like is it actually real? You've experienced this a lot.

640
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 4: We've experienced this around women's sports, especially and particularly in

641
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 4: the W the last couple of years, a lot of

642
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 4: these like headlines started out fake and they have no

643
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 4: and it's like it's not what the players feel, it's

644
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 4: not what actually happened for the players. It's not what's

645
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 4: happening in in arena, it's not what's happening to the fans.

646
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Speaker 3: So I think for us all to be really aware

647
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 3: of that and have a really.

648
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 4: Healthy dose of skepticism when it comes to social media

649
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 4: in particular, and the social media companies aren't doing anything

650
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 4: really because it's driving numbers and that's sort of what

651
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 4: they care about. They're not really doing anything to stymy it,

652
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 4: so like we have to be aware of it.

653
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657
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Speaker 1: It's so fun and smart and tackles the tough stuff

658
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Speaker 1: and the light stuff.

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660
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Speaker 1: The dynamic between athletes and media, the idea of trying

661
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: to cover it all but focus on the things that

662
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: you care about too, Like, as you become media, what

663
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: are you learning?

664
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, the experience of being a podcaster is so funny,

665
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,239
Speaker 4: Like all the time, Soon and I look at each

666
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 4: other and we're like.

667
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 3: What is happening? Who signed us up for this? And

668
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: then we're like, oh my god, we did. It's been

669
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: a total learning curve.

670
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 4: It's been really hard at times because we went from

671
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 4: like being the one interviewed.

672
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: It's so easy to answer questions and.

673
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,959
Speaker 2: Say what you think and feel and someone asks you

674
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: what you think and feel for us at least.

675
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, now I'm having to show up and be like, wait,

676
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 4: I have to like bring up what I want to

677
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 4: say and what I feel, and like, you know.

678
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: Round it out, do some research, do some research.

679
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

680
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 4: So we you know, we want ultimately to do justice

681
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 4: to the place that we love the most, which is

682
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 4: women's sports, and we want to talk about it obviously.

683
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: From our perspective.

684
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 4: I think we both have such a unique perspective just

685
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 4: having played so long, but in this era when it

686
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 4: went from what it went from when I was, you know,

687
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 4: twenty two to what it is now, like we've seen

688
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 4: an unbelievable expansion and growth from from every different metric.

689
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: So like how are.

690
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 3: We seeing it?

691
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 4: We know so many of the ins and outs of

692
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 4: like how we got here and how you know, from

693
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 4: five years ago, this is exactly why we're here and

694
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 4: this is where we're going in five years. And then

695
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 4: we want to like be respectful of the players, like

696
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 4: so many of these players are our friends and like

697
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 4: people who we you know, really respect, and it's like

698
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 4: it's hard to be like, oh, this is not playing well,

699
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 4: or I want to see this more or comment on

700
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 4: you know, things that are happening. We don't want to

701
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 4: be the like salacious goss but also like we want

702
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 4: a fun, entertaining show.

703
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: And I think there's room for all of it.

704
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 4: And I love seeing what's happening just in like the

705
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 4: women's sports media landscape. There's so many players coming in.

706
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 4: Your pod is one of them. I told you that,

707
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 4: I absolutely love it.

708
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: Like we need it all.

709
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 4: We need the commentary, we need the journalism, we need

710
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 4: the entertainment, we need the former players, and so we

711
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 4: just try to like bring our perspective, be honest, talk about.

712
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 3: The game in a way that we would have.

713
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: Wanted talked about, and the things that interest us.

714
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 4: And then obviously there's our unique relationship aspect about it,

715
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 4: and it's like we're Sharon Vicker's and we're cracking love

716
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 4: and like we're we're doing this podcast together and it's

717
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 4: like the hilarious and we're we're both trying to figure

718
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 4: it out and sort of waiting our way into retirement,

719
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 4: you know, one big step.

720
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: At a time.

721
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm almost always a yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I need us,

722
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: Sue to be a me. We have to take one

723
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: more break. The conclusion of my conversation with Megan is

724
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: coming up. You and Sue are a ridiculous power couple.

725
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: Obviously your combined powers are enviable, but it's got to

726
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: be complicated too to work and live together and also

727
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: to be making sure that you yourself. Do you ever

728
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: have to remind folks like, hey, we're two separate people.

729
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: Sometimes this offers for me and sometimes it's for her.

730
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: And sometimes this job or this opportunity is something I

731
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: should do, but I'm not bringing her or this isn't

732
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: a right fit for her.

733
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: Does that happen a lot?

734
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, and definitely something that we've had to

735
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 4: navigate and evolve and like strategize around. Frankly, over the

736
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 4: course of our relationship. I feel like when we first

737
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 4: got together was like, yeah, we're both just sort of there,

738
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 4: but neither of us like you know, wildly popular or

739
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 4: women's sports was just in a totally different place. And

740
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 4: then for so long we were playing, so we sort

741
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 4: of naturally had this break between who we were and

742
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 4: we got to have a really big individual space. And

743
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 4: I definitely noticed, you know, when we both were retired

744
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 4: and around that time, it was just like I could

745
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 4: see how easy it would be and it would have

746
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 4: been and how much people want that they want Sue

747
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 4: in Meghan. They want, you know, whether it's a power

748
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 4: couple or because we're gay, or because we're.

749
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: Just never Meghan and Sue.

750
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's always souone Meg. You gotta get the shorter

751
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 4: one in there first. And we've talked a lot both

752
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 4: personally with our couple's therapists, but also with our team

753
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 4: and with the people we do business with, like let's

754
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 4: be really strategic about where this makes more sense for Megan,

755
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 4: where this makes more sense for Sue, and then being

756
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 4: really specific about where the overlap is. And obviously the

757
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 4: POD is such a big part of that. But it's

758
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 4: like I want to have my own life also, and

759
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 4: Sue wants to have her own life alsome there's things

760
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 4: that like she does that I could never do and

761
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 4: would never want to do, and and vice versa, and

762
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 4: just being like really thoughtful about that, so like ultimately

763
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 4: we can get the best out of ourselves and still

764
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 4: have you know, at the end of the day, we're

765
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 4: professional athletes, like our egos are there. We need that

766
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 4: sort of like personal space and time for ourselves. It's

767
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 4: really important and I think just from a personal perspective,

768
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 4: like we're working together.

769
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: That's very different.

770
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 4: We're used to, you know, being on separate teams and traveling,

771
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 4: So like, where's the time for just myself, for just Sue,

772
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 4: And then where's the time just for us as a

773
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 4: couple outside of work. You know, it's like, especially when

774
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 4: it's this kind of work and it's all kind of

775
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 4: remote and it's like kind of always happening at the

776
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 4: same time, and it can always sort of be happening.

777
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 4: So trying to be really thoughtful about where we just

778
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 4: really put it down and you know, turn the mic

779
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 4: off and get to just be us.

780
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of being you, you got engaged in twenty twenty,

781
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: no pressure or anything.

782
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: You're allowed to have a private life. But is there

783
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: a date for the wedding?

784
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: Did you already get married and you're just gonna like

785
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: sneaky style drop wife in an interview like Tobin and Kristen.

786
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I know.

787
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 4: I'm like, have they been married for like two minutes

788
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 4: or two hundred minutes? Right? No, there's there's no date yet.

789
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 4: I know everybody wants the party.

790
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: I get it. I want I totally get it. No,

791
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: there's no date. We're not married.

792
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 3: Yet I think if we got.

793
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 4: Married, we want to own it. And you know, I

794
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 4: hope so just because I'm kill me.

795
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: Also, yeah, I want to see all the photos of

796
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: everyone there and all the Yeah, I want the I

797
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: want the like live stream wedding like we got with

798
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: the World Cup win.

799
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: Where it was just like several days. Who was that

800
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 2: that was? I think it was Yes, Ashlan and Alley Long.

801
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 2: Ashlan and Alley Long.

802
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: We're like the queens of giving us almost like a

803
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: forty eight straight hours of like and now we're at

804
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: the pool and everyone's mostly dead, and now we're going

805
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: a good morning America, and now we're on top of

806
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: a bar.

807
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: That's what I want for the wedding. It's just a

808
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: small ass.

809
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: Just give us forty eight straight hours of insight into

810
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: your personal Oh yeah, exactly what else are you working

811
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: on besides the pod? And how do you decide what

812
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: to say yes too? Because to your point, you've probably

813
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: been asked a million things and your time could be

814
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: taken up every moment while also trying to say, like,

815
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: hey do I like flowers and bird watching?

816
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I started developing my no button while I was

817
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 4: while I was playing I think you know, having the

818
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 4: experience of twenty nineteen and that like lightning in a bottle,

819
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 4: said yes to so much, don't regret any of it.

820
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: And then I was like, whoa, you cannot say yes

821
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: this much.

822
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 4: This is nuts unless I had like literally four four

823
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 4: other like clones of myself.

824
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, the twin needs to be more identical.

825
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 4: Oh that's your gosh, that would that would really I'm like,

826
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 4: it's fifty to fifty, go like, let's just.

827
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 2: Go for it. I wish, I wish.

828
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 4: I think now I'm like, what do I really like?

829
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 4: What am I passionate about? What do I really want

830
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 4: to do that I'm going to be excited about spending

831
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 4: my time on. I still have a great partnership with Nike,

832
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 4: which I'm able to get in there and do some

833
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 4: designing and like use the kind of like creative branding

834
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 4: stuff that I love so much. Actually going to the

835
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 4: euro Final with Nike, so that's going to be exciting.

836
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 2: Cannot wait.

837
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 3: I think some stuff is just like does it move me?

838
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 4: You know, like some stuff whether it's it's not really

839
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 4: so much about money. I mean, at some point, like

840
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 4: a certain price tag is like yes, I'm getting on

841
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 4: that plane. But at some points like do I care

842
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 4: about this, Do I like doing this? This is something

843
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 4: that I'm interested? Do I like this person? Do I

844
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 4: like what they're about? I think it's kind of that.

845
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 4: And then it's like I'm framing it right now in

846
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 4: the way of like, yeah, is this going to like

847
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 4: add to my life or is this taking away from

848
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 4: something I actually want to do, whether it's like a

849
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 4: walk or not travel or cooking or doing something else.

850
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 3: And being thoughtful about.

851
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 4: Like just carving time out to do nothing I think

852
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 4: is really hard for me and really hard for athletes,

853
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 4: but I'm like getting a little bit better at it

854
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 4: and kind.

855
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: Of seeing the benefits that I can have.

856
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: I interviewed this guy years ago, and I took away

857
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: this one piece of advice that I really try to apply,

858
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: and I'm very bad at it, but I'm working on it,

859
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: which is when you say yes to something, make sure

860
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: you understand you're saying no to something else. And so

861
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: if you want to do it, that's fine, but like

862
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 1: it could like you said, just be no to taking

863
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: a walk or taking a nap or watching a television

864
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: show you like or something, and so if you do

865
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: it too often, you end up saying no to all

866
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: those other things that feel unscheduled but only happen if

867
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: you don't have something on the schedule.

868
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: So I've been working on that.

869
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: Speaking of we've taken up too much of your time.

870
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: So last two, this one's real easy. What's on your

871
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: to do list for this decade in your forties?

872
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: What's the big what's the big to do list? Oh,

873
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 2: the big to do list?

874
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: Or something being out there, something huge, something unreachable, something

875
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: embarrassing if it doesn't happen because it's such a big want.

876
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, Well, I want to become really good at photography.

877
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: I've just bought my first camera, like actually like film camera,

878
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: and I'm like looking at it over there.

879
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh it's hard. I like really don't know.

880
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: What I'm doing, Like like you want to go in

881
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Speaker 1: a dark room and all that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to do the whole thing. I want

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Speaker 3: to like become actually good at It's like you travel

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Speaker 3: so much.

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Speaker 4: You have you know, you got a phone, you take pictures,

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Speaker 4: they'd never go anywhere. That is like a fun thing

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Speaker 4: that I want to do. And then oh man, I

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Speaker 4: mean it's it's like I just still want to do

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Speaker 4: the world domination thing. I want to be one of

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Speaker 4: the places and build something that can be one of

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Speaker 4: the places where women's sports like can really live branding, marketing, growth,

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Speaker 4: like the creative guidance and sort of like architecture of

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Speaker 4: this next phase in women's sports.

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Speaker 2: That's like what I really am passionate.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm excited. I just got so excited for you

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Speaker 1: to do that. Get on it, Okay, And then last question.

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Speaker 1: Your show always asks people being interviewed bench start cut.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna make you do our version, which is good, gooder,

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Speaker 1: gooddest in honor of good goodest. Okay, so good gooder, gooddest,

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Speaker 1: Sam Coffee's t shirt, tuck, Lynn Biandolo's leg sleeve, and

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Speaker 1: Laura Harvey's cooler chair.

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Speaker 4: Oh oh man, I mean I'm cutting the legs sleeve

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Speaker 4: because I'm just like, I don't cut anything.

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Speaker 2: Thankfully. We're a little kind of say okay, good good leg.

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Speaker 4: Sleeves good, It's fine.

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Speaker 3: And then gooder.

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Speaker 4: I'm going with the tuck because that's just like so funny.

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Speaker 4: If the cooler wasn't in here, that would be in

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Speaker 4: the goodest. The tuck is just so Sam too. It's

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Speaker 4: like I am ready, prepared, professional, and I'm going to

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Speaker 4: score some goals and do this.

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Speaker 3: I love it so much. It's so good. It's just

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Speaker 3: like hilarious to me.

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Speaker 4: And I love when people have like self expression whatever

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Speaker 4: that is in a very uniform scenario.

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Speaker 2: And then of.

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Speaker 4: Course the cooler because she's over there probably motherfucking someone

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Speaker 4: or another bucks to something or having a winge about something,

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Speaker 4: or just strategizing, and it's like it's a tough job.

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Speaker 4: She needs to take a load off. Sometimes it's hot

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Speaker 4: out there the turf. It's tough, Like she kind of

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Speaker 4: sit it down so she can get into her brain.

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Speaker 4: And obviously Harve's best to ever do it, so gotta

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Speaker 4: go with that the goodest.

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Speaker 1: I hope when she sits she liked me goes, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: she probably does.

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Speaker 2: She's over forty, she's like, oh she's ready, Hi for

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Speaker 2: a seat, Megan. As you can tell, I could talk

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Speaker 2: to you for literally hours.

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Speaker 1: I'm very proud of myself because I am so obsessed

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Speaker 1: with you. I both consider you a friend and someone

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Speaker 1: I will just follow around like a little puppy because

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Speaker 1: I think you're the fucking best.

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Speaker 2: So thank you so much for this time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for having me on Big Fan.

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Speaker 1: Good Game with Sarah Spain is an iHeart women's sports

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Speaker 1: production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You

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Speaker 1: can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever.

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Speaker 2: You get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Grace Lynch, Taylor Williamson, and Lucy Jones. Our executive producers

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Speaker 1: are Christina Everett, Jesse Katz, Jennie Kaplan and Emily Rutterer.

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