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Speaker 3: That's awesome, he it is. It gets me like butterflies,
Speaker 3: Like it gets me ready. It gives me butterflies. It's
Speaker 3: the fact they're about to hit June. And you know,
Speaker 3: when there's June and then there's July, and then there's
Speaker 3: training camp.
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Speaker 2: Wait daily, Uh, it is a busy week at the Star.
Speaker 2: There's a lot going on.
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Speaker 2: We've got the Rookie Premiere later in the week. You
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Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: And then OTAs m H going into mini camp next
Speaker 3: week and we're really getting the first real look at
Speaker 3: this Cowboys team. And we got a chance to look
Speaker 3: at practice last week as well. But let's start with
Speaker 3: some news and notes because it is a busy week ahead.
Speaker 3: There's a lot going on media days this week too.
Speaker 3: I forgot about that even today and tomorrow, oh man.
Speaker 3: And then more lock and room access on Thursday. OTA
Speaker 3: Part two practice. Yeah, another practice.
Speaker 4: Busy weekend, A busy week, I should say, going into
Speaker 4: the this week for the Cowboys. So first and foremost
Speaker 4: news and notes, let's talk about some injury rehabilitation. Tony
Speaker 4: Pollard and Terrence Steele. As Mike McCarthy said last week,
Speaker 4: there are both tracking well as far as no setbacks.
Speaker 4: What does that mean as far as training camp start
Speaker 4: a training camp in July? Will either of them start
Speaker 4: on the PUP list, the physically unable to perform list?
Speaker 4: That is to be determined. Same thing for Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 4: Jordan Lewis did not participate in OTA one last week,
Speaker 4: which was not unexpected. He is still tracking well, but
Speaker 4: there being extra cautious with him. He's still doing his
Speaker 4: his rehab work with Britt Brown and the training staff.
Speaker 4: Terrence Steele, he was off to the side before departing
Speaker 4: later in OTA's last week to meet with the training
Speaker 4: staff get his rehab in. Tony Pollard was actually taking
Speaker 4: some reps with the first team, and I can't you
Speaker 4: talk about butterflies.
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yes, he was moving.
Speaker 4: Quite well, quite well.
Speaker 6: That juice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a whole whole box of Caprice Son
Speaker 4: in that leg, A lot of juice, A lot of juice.
Speaker 2: Do we have a juice sponsor? I don't know. I
Speaker 2: didn't have.
Speaker 4: Caprice Son call us. So yeah, Tony Pollard, he's looking
Speaker 4: he's looking uh spry.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: He's not there yet air quotes on there, but he
Speaker 4: is making progress enough where he can take those reps.
Speaker 4: So that's a good thing. Michael Gallup, Uh, obviously he
Speaker 4: ret from his torn acl last year, but everybody wants
Speaker 4: to know how does he look going into this offseason.
Speaker 4: He's looking quite springy. We keep using that word spring.
Speaker 4: He has a bounce in his step. It looks like
Speaker 4: the Michael got the prime Michael Gallup, It looks like
Speaker 4: he might be back. He was running routes quite well.
Speaker 4: He was elevating with ease, he was effortless. So he
Speaker 4: got targeted a lot by Dak Prescott. So Dak is
Speaker 4: pushing him early to get him back to prime for him.
Speaker 4: So all signs point to a goal for Michael Gallup.
Speaker 4: And I love what Micha McCarthy said last week as
Speaker 4: far as expanding Gallup's role going into twenty twenty three,
Speaker 4: So the expectation now and we'll keep an eye on
Speaker 4: this to see if it starts to pan out that
Speaker 4: way over the course of OTA's Mini camp and then
Speaker 4: ultimately training camp. But Mike McCarthy did say Gallup is
Speaker 4: going to be utilized more underneath. They're going to start
Speaker 4: expanding his route tree. So not only is he going
Speaker 4: to be that go route out physical a guy high
Speaker 4: point the ball, but they're looking for him to refine his.
Speaker 3: Routes as will So did you see that same thing
Speaker 3: Nick out of practice, because I know whenever I was watching.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looked like there was a little bit of
Speaker 2: burst there.
Speaker 3: From Gallup, which is exciting to see because you didn't
Speaker 3: see a ton of that on film last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, And we keep using the word springy because he
Speaker 8: keeps using the word spring Yes, it's very fun just
Speaker 8: because what he's been able to overcome over these last
Speaker 8: two seasons. There's a little new sense of confidence with
Speaker 8: him and with the expanded rowtree that Mike McCarthy will
Speaker 8: be able to do for him. I think it's going
Speaker 8: to open up this offense top to bottom. You take
Speaker 8: Brandon Cooks out of the equation. I think being able
Speaker 8: to just expand Gallup's game helps helps open up all
Speaker 8: the other weapons as well. So if you have a
Speaker 8: fully healthy Michael Gallup going into the season and being
Speaker 8: able to utilize him to a way he hasn't been
Speaker 8: utilized through his first four or five seasons here, then
Speaker 8: you know that's that automatically adds another layer.
Speaker 3: Zay, have you ever had a room wide receiver room
Speaker 3: or even when you were a quarterback, that had an
Speaker 3: influx of a veteran wide receiver or even just more
Speaker 3: talented wide receiver, and then it helps elevate the game
Speaker 3: from underneath him on the depth chart. Let's say Brandon Cooks,
Speaker 3: he's now the divine defined wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Two? Does that elevate Michael Gallup as a wide receiver?
Speaker 5: Three?
Speaker 2: Have you seen an instance of that in the past? Yeah,
Speaker 2: it has to challenge you.
Speaker 4: I mean I think back to the time where I
Speaker 4: was with New England and we had myself, Randy Moss,
Speaker 4: Julian Edelman, we brought in Tory Holt right, we had
Speaker 4: David Patman, like we had like some veterans that were
Speaker 4: coming back into the fold that had to elevate everybody
Speaker 4: else's game. You either stepped up or you stepped out,
Speaker 4: one of the two type of type of situation. So
Speaker 4: having that competition in the room, obviously understanding that you're
Speaker 4: in a solid number three role is still going to
Speaker 4: challenge you. And the fact that you have Cooks now
Speaker 4: in the fold is going to obviously expand his game.
Speaker 4: That is Michael Gallup's game, because now he has another
Speaker 4: veteran that he can learn from, somebody who's proven, somebody
Speaker 4: who's not trying to figure themselves out, somebody who's not
Speaker 4: trying to get there, you know, get the respect in
Speaker 4: the league like CD and you know some of these
Speaker 4: other guys in a room.
Speaker 2: This is Cooks.
Speaker 4: He's been been around for a solid minute, right, it
Speaker 4: doesn't matter who steps on the field against him.
Speaker 2: They know that he's a weapon.
Speaker 4: So this is somebody that he can lean on and
Speaker 4: get their expertise without having to get those physical reps.
Speaker 4: So now you add his confidence factor back into it
Speaker 4: along with his health, and now all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: you have somebody that you have to be be worried
Speaker 4: about on the Field.
Speaker 3: I like the way you said step up or step
Speaker 3: out because that's kind of the theme around the wide
Speaker 3: receiver room this offseason, because there are a lot of
Speaker 3: wide receivers.
Speaker 2: I mean, let's just go down the depth chart.
Speaker 3: You know, the top three Ceedee Lamb, Brandon Cook's, Michael
Speaker 3: Gallup Boom boom boom. Those guys are the top three guys,
Speaker 3: and it's pretty defined. There After that, it's a jumbled mess.
Speaker 3: It is a jumbled mess. You got third round pick
Speaker 3: Jaylen Tolbert, who of course needs to see a step up.
Speaker 3: If you've got fifth round pick from twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: One, semi Fojoko, he needs to see a step up.
Speaker 3: Cavante Turpin, signed as a free agent, made an impact
Speaker 3: on special teams, but where was his impact from a
Speaker 3: wide receiver standpoint?
Speaker 2: Not there. Then after that you have a mixture of
Speaker 2: guys that were either practice squad guys or going to
Speaker 2: be rookies.
Speaker 3: Dennis Houston, Ontario, Drummond Aalen Brooks, John Stevens Junior, who
Speaker 3: was undrafted free agent cropper from Fresno State. Jalen Marino,
Speaker 3: cropper from Fresno. He was also a free agent Antonio
Speaker 3: Callaway was signed as.
Speaker 2: A free agent. You've got a number of these guys
Speaker 2: that want that last spot. They want that fourth wide
Speaker 2: receiver spot. Maybe they carry five, but let's say there's four.
Speaker 3: Just for the conversational purposes. Who has a step up
Speaker 3: in that regard? Pat based on where they are right
Speaker 3: now and a long way from training camp. Who do
Speaker 3: you feel like has a step up?
Speaker 2: Baby bounces.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's the best way to put it. Every one
Speaker 4: of those guys has to step up. Jalen Tobert. This
Speaker 4: is a former third round pick. You look at him
Speaker 4: and you say, well, you know what are the Cowboys
Speaker 4: going to get from him in year two? Semi Fojoko.
Speaker 4: He's been in the system several years now. He has
Speaker 4: chemistry with both the backup quarterbacks and with Dak Prescott.
Speaker 4: He absolutely took over training ca amp last year. Suffered
Speaker 4: a little bit of an injury that kind of set
Speaker 4: him back. He spent the remainder of the season trying
Speaker 4: to get back.
Speaker 2: To that point.
Speaker 4: I sat there and watched Ota one last week, and
Speaker 4: guess who took the lead again in the wide receiver
Speaker 4: for a battle Simmi for Hoko. Now the question is
Speaker 4: no longer can Simmi for Hooko be dominant in the
Speaker 4: offseason program. It's now time for him to show he
Speaker 4: can be that guy in the regular season, but for
Speaker 4: Hoko versus Tobart. But then you talk about Turpin. I
Speaker 4: spoke specifically with Terpin's special teams rules aside because he
Speaker 4: said he's not fair catching a damn literally, that's what
Speaker 4: he said. Special teams.
Speaker 2: Uh, there you go.
Speaker 4: Special teams rule changes the side as far as the
Speaker 4: receiver goes, as far as the receiver role goes. I
Speaker 4: asked him, did he have a conversation with the Cowboys
Speaker 4: coaching staff at the end of last season about potentially
Speaker 4: getting more reps or getting some good quality reps that
Speaker 4: aren't just you know, reverse sweeps, sweeps and jet sweeps,
Speaker 4: And he said in his exit interview with Mike McCarthy
Speaker 4: that specifically was a point. McCarthy asked, you know, when
Speaker 4: your body is rested and it feels better, we're gonna
Speaker 4: look to try to do that. Cavante let him know
Speaker 4: I'm looking to try to do that. So looks like
Speaker 4: they're in lockstep. He was getting some reps on offense,
Speaker 4: a good bit of reps on offense, some with the
Speaker 4: first team, a good bit with the second team, so
Speaker 4: they're trying to work him in and then you go
Speaker 4: backward from there. So we just talked about Tobert. I
Speaker 4: feel like it's gotta happen, Simmi Fojoko, It's gotta happen,
Speaker 4: Cavante Turpin. We'll see how Special Teams goes. But if
Speaker 4: special teams, if that new rule kind of changes how
Speaker 4: he returns. He said it won't, but if it does,
Speaker 4: then he needs to add more value to his roster
Speaker 4: spot by becoming that wide receiver threat. And then you
Speaker 4: have these younger guys who are coming up who are
Speaker 4: gonna try to have to win their role. It's on
Speaker 4: a special team's capacity, knowing they probably won't have a
Speaker 4: real shot at wide receiver.
Speaker 9: Four.
Speaker 4: You talked about Antonio Callaway, speedy veteran former Cleveland Brown.
Speaker 4: He was signed to the practice squad. Hadn't seen him
Speaker 4: since he was signed to the practice squad. What does
Speaker 4: his speed bring to the table this offseason and going
Speaker 4: into the season. I say all of that to say yes,
Speaker 4: the answer is yes. Each one of these guys in
Speaker 4: for their respective reasons, has to step up and make
Speaker 4: their name for them sales right now.
Speaker 8: I think Turpin has the advantage just because he doesn't
Speaker 8: have the pressure that the other guys in that room have.
Speaker 8: And when you can go out there, hey, I got
Speaker 8: nothing to lose. I'm still gonna be a Pro Bowl
Speaker 8: kick returner over here. You know, maybe you play with
Speaker 8: a little bit more confidence in that way.
Speaker 3: But is that the case though, because Deuce Vaughan needs
Speaker 3: a spot on the roster too, or at least he's
Speaker 3: fighting for a spot on the roster, And if he's
Speaker 3: going to do so, wouldn't it be a return possibility
Speaker 3: there too, wouldn't he have returnability and he would probably
Speaker 3: fill the same role that Turpin would. I'm a special
Speaker 3: team stamp.
Speaker 8: I like that point, But I really think duce Von
Speaker 8: is just insurance in the return game at this point. Turpin,
Speaker 8: he's got his name on the wall. I know he
Speaker 8: mentioned it a couple of times. He's going to be
Speaker 8: that return guy. As far as the other guys in
Speaker 8: the room, though, they have a lot more to prove,
Speaker 8: you know, they're fighting for that roster spot. Turpin's already
Speaker 8: got one. He's chilling, he's sitting back looking good. I've
Speaker 8: mentioned it a couple of times too. Go back and
Speaker 8: look at Turpin's TCU tape because his offense game what
Speaker 8: he was able to do do there, how he was
Speaker 8: able to spread that offense out, line up out, why
Speaker 8: come in for jet sweeps, line up in the backfield,
Speaker 8: be able to take handoffs right up the middle. I mean,
Speaker 8: he's got that versatility to where he can add an
Speaker 8: extra layer to the offense if the Cowboys want him
Speaker 8: to do that.
Speaker 3: Is that out on the coaching staff from last year
Speaker 3: and not getting him involved the right way or is
Speaker 3: that just another element that needs to be opened up
Speaker 3: by this year's coaching staff, because I mean, I wrote
Speaker 3: an article last week about the new language, but it's
Speaker 3: not new language.
Speaker 2: It's Dax language. It's what they keep.
Speaker 3: Talking about with Mike McCarthy, Brian Schottenheimer and Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3: Throwing the Cavante Turpin wrench into things. Can open up
Speaker 3: your offense, can open up the screen game, which has
Speaker 3: been dormant. He could open up the behind the line
Speaker 3: of scrimmage. That opens up the vertical game.
Speaker 2: Which is for the most part, been dormant, At least
Speaker 2: toward the back half of last year. It was very dormant.
Speaker 2: They didn't have a vertical game. Can they unlock that? Though?
Speaker 3: Like that's my thing. It goes back to what you
Speaker 3: were talking about with Simmy Fojoko and in practice. But
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like I'm Alan Iverson. We're talking
Speaker 3: about practice. Like we're talking about practice here. You gotta
Speaker 3: show out in pads, Simmi Fojoko looks great in training camp,
Speaker 3: but then you put the pads on and things don't
Speaker 3: work out preseason even he's got to show out in
Speaker 3: the preseason if he has any chance.
Speaker 2: Of going into the regular season and having an impact.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when it comes to these guys and you guys
Speaker 4: specifically about Cavante Turpin, obviously he's locked.
Speaker 2: Urp is locked, right.
Speaker 4: He earned that respect last year in terms of his
Speaker 4: ability to play receiver again, go back and watch his film.
Speaker 4: I don't think as a matter of can he. I
Speaker 4: think it's just a matter of last year they asked
Speaker 4: him to do what he does best, and that's return
Speaker 4: the ball.
Speaker 2: They didn't ask.
Speaker 4: Anything more of him and didn't want to risk and
Speaker 4: didn't want to risk it, right, So why ask somebody
Speaker 4: to do something outside of themselves that might distract them
Speaker 4: from the one thing that he does amazingly great.
Speaker 2: It was the kiss technique, right, keep it right.
Speaker 4: So that was last year. There's a whole different year now.
Speaker 4: So now you look at it from the receiver standpoint,
Speaker 4: take the return element out of it. Positions one through.
Speaker 2: Four are locked.
Speaker 3: They're locked, right, I mean all four for the top
Speaker 3: four spots are locked when you put turping into the mix.
Speaker 2: Okay, so now you talk about one, maybe two, maybe
Speaker 2: two because it depends on how they use turping, Well,
Speaker 2: it depends on how they will.
Speaker 4: It depends on the tight end position. From my perspectively,
Speaker 4: I see them carrying. I see them carrying four tight
Speaker 4: ends with this new offense that that that coach is
Speaker 4: bringing in. So I see them carrying four tight ends.
Speaker 4: If you got four tight ends, there's no way you're
Speaker 4: keeping six receivers. So now it's starts becoming a numbers game,
Speaker 4: especially when you throw a quarterback element into it that
Speaker 4: we talked about last week. There's three quarterbacks on a roster,
Speaker 4: so now we start looking at start counting all these
Speaker 4: dog on numbers, and then you gotta look at defense. Well,
Speaker 4: you know they're not gonna short Dan Quinn on the
Speaker 4: number of guys that he wants. So it really becomes
Speaker 4: a numbers game.
Speaker 3: And this is when everybody has to start counting their
Speaker 3: reps and start counting their positions in terms of how
Speaker 3: many what the depth chart is looking like turpens a lock.
Speaker 4: So it comes down to the Jayln Tober and see
Speaker 4: me for Hoko, Seemi Foro. Hoko is more proven than
Speaker 4: Jaylen Tobert.
Speaker 2: Facts. What's gonna happen this year in camp? Well, we're
Speaker 2: gather wait and see for Hooko.
Speaker 4: Had barring any injuries last year, he would have been
Speaker 4: the last spot right there. Okay, that's the reality going
Speaker 4: into it this year. Who do I have more confidence in?
Speaker 4: I have more confidence in? Wow, that is my competence
Speaker 4: meter right now.
Speaker 2: So it's not because Tolbert hasn't done anything exactly but
Speaker 2: has to prove it wrong. But he has to prove
Speaker 2: more this Simmy, does I agree?
Speaker 4: All for Hoko has to do is provide consistency that
Speaker 4: transfers from the offseason program, in training camp, through the
Speaker 4: preseason and into the regular season. He has shown that
Speaker 4: he can make plays. The question is can you do
Speaker 4: it in the regular season. Jalen Tobert, we have seen
Speaker 4: him struggle even in practice at time, So it's not
Speaker 4: unfair to say you are far more confident as far
Speaker 4: as a head to head matchup that it's semi for
Speaker 4: Hoko right now now? Can Jalen Tobert flip that script
Speaker 4: as the next couple of months roll by? Absolutely he could.
Speaker 4: Will he will see because again we talk about chemistry.
Speaker 4: Simmy already has chemistry with all three quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: The one thing that I would throw a wrench into
Speaker 3: here is the fact that it is a second round
Speaker 3: pick we're talking about here, and there's a pride factor
Speaker 3: there because you've seen it before the twenty nineteen they
Speaker 3: took Tristan Hill in the second round.
Speaker 2: They gave him a long time.
Speaker 3: They gave him a lengthy amount of time to get
Speaker 3: it right and to figure it out, and then what
Speaker 3: do they do?
Speaker 2: They moved on. But they did it in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: They didn't do it in twenty nineteen. Twenty twenty. Let's
Speaker 2: talk about that.
Speaker 4: Tolbert might have a longer excellent except for this Tobart,
Speaker 4: I think that would apply more to Kelvin Joseph Okay,
Speaker 4: but that's a conversation.
Speaker 2: Tobert is a third round pick. You're right, so that,
Speaker 2: but a top one hundred pick top one hundred, So
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So you're right, But also he doesn't have as much
Speaker 4: leeway as a second round pick like Kelvin Joseph would have.
Speaker 4: And Joseph's still one year further along as well, and
Speaker 4: he is, and so let's let's put a pin because.
Speaker 2: We got to go back to that.
Speaker 4: We'll go back to that absolutely. But I love Isaiah's point.
Speaker 4: But I will about four wide receivers, but I will
Speaker 4: say it this way. I don't see it as the
Speaker 4: top four are locked, the top three are locked, and four.
Speaker 2: Spots are locked.
Speaker 4: But I don't because if you word it that, okay,
Speaker 4: then it's like Turping is guaranteed wide receiver four. I
Speaker 4: don't think that he knows. I think that it comes
Speaker 4: down to, say roster spots.
Speaker 2: In terms of spots allocated to a wide receiver. That's it.
Speaker 2: It's not one, two, three, four.
Speaker 4: Then it's Simmi versus Jalen and then the rest. They're
Speaker 4: going to have to get in where they fit in
Speaker 4: on the special team in the special team's capacity and
Speaker 4: try to get bones to stand on the table and
Speaker 4: pound it and say Okay, I know we don't want
Speaker 4: to take anything from Dan Quinn, and I know we're
Speaker 4: going to carry three quarterbacks and were going to carry
Speaker 4: at least four tight ends, but you got to give
Speaker 4: me this one extra guy. Bones is going to kind
Speaker 4: of be up against it, and he's already in a
Speaker 4: situation where he's trying to replace Luke Gifford and Noah
Speaker 4: Brown facts.
Speaker 2: But does he really have to bang on the table
Speaker 2: or do these guys just have to come up and
Speaker 2: show up?
Speaker 4: Because neither of neither one of those guys that we're
Speaker 4: talking about, Semi Fooco nor Jayalen Tober has shown up
Speaker 4: on special teams. So I don't even think that you
Speaker 4: have to bang on the table. I think you just
Speaker 4: sit up there and lay the dog on script out
Speaker 4: and say who wants to fill this?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 5: You know what?
Speaker 4: That that puts the the that much more pressure on
Speaker 4: Simme and Jalen because knowing that you don't have the
Speaker 4: leg up on special teams, you have to come in
Speaker 4: and really deliver from a wide receiver standpoint and from
Speaker 4: Kavante Turpin. And I know it's so easy for everyone
Speaker 4: to say Turpin versus Deuce. I get it.
Speaker 2: Too fast quick. Small guys have return ability.
Speaker 4: The script kind of writes itself, but they do two
Speaker 4: different things. If you really break down and it's a
Speaker 4: running back versus a wide receiver. So then the conversation
Speaker 4: is how many running backs are we carrying versus how
Speaker 4: many wide receivers are we carrying?
Speaker 8: Question for you guys take Turpin, Tolbert and Fojoko out
Speaker 8: of the equation. Do you have a sleeper to make
Speaker 8: the roster as a wide receiver?
Speaker 2: I know I do. I don't actually I say it.
Speaker 2: I have two with your chest.
Speaker 10: I have.
Speaker 4: One is based off of what he did in year one.
Speaker 2: That was mine. It's Dennis Houston. It didn't translate.
Speaker 4: We keep talking about how these guys have to make
Speaker 4: it translate over into.
Speaker 2: The d He looked really good the other he did
Speaker 2: and no pads on. It's very early, but I remember
Speaker 2: you've also seen him again. You've seen him. He's made
Speaker 2: play in.
Speaker 4: Last July, in last August.
Speaker 2: He's he was a front runner to kind of make
Speaker 2: the roster, but then things tapered off. And why did
Speaker 2: they tape off? Who was not throwing?
Speaker 4: I was going to say, yeah, Dak number four his
Speaker 4: his his we talked about this ad nauseum instant chemistry
Speaker 4: with that.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: Once Dak was not available, Dennis Houston, a different guy
Speaker 4: became vapor Vapor. But answer your question, I think that
Speaker 4: Dallas will add a receiver by the time camp hits.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't be surprised either, just to add him.
Speaker 4: Can I can I get to you?
Speaker 9: I haven't I have?
Speaker 4: Can I can I get a little to what?
Speaker 2: I would love that you're saying? T why I'm hearing
Speaker 2: d hot money first, this money versus that I just
Speaker 2: know it's out there. Everybody about was.
Speaker 4: Far less expensive, already has chemistry with Dak, already has
Speaker 4: chemistry with the locker room.
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, yeah, I was in.
Speaker 4: And I love and I love Nook. I've always been
Speaker 4: high on Nook. DeAndre Hopkins absolutely, but I feel like
Speaker 4: his leverage using the Cowboys is leveraging for those that
Speaker 4: are saying, oh well, another instance of a player using
Speaker 4: the Cowboys as leverage and then they get released and
Speaker 4: all the Cowboys fans are like, oh well, this just
Speaker 4: means he's gonna take it.
Speaker 2: He's coming. No, No, he's not. What are your what's
Speaker 2: your probability that Dallas brings a free agent in. By
Speaker 2: the time camp.
Speaker 6: Hits, I would say sixty five percent.
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, pretty good.
Speaker 4: I'd go high. I go seventy five.
Speaker 3: I'd probably say like sixty seventy Right in there, I'm
Speaker 3: at seventy five point three.
Speaker 2: I like we go with getting close to a radio.
Speaker 3: You asked the question, I'm going to turn around back
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Speaker 3: give us a call eight eight eight eight five five
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Speaker 3: second break. Uh, who is your sleeper?
Speaker 6: I would say Jalen Moreno cropper.
Speaker 9: That was my second.
Speaker 2: That was my second.
Speaker 8: One thing always stands out to me about him, and
Speaker 8: I I know it was in the Mountain West, which
Speaker 8: you know, take that for what you will. But production
Speaker 8: eighty plus receptions in each of his last two seasons.
Speaker 6: He's got the speed, he's got the route tree.
Speaker 8: He was someone I loved during the draft process, and
Speaker 8: the fact they were able to pick him up as
Speaker 8: an undrafted free agent.
Speaker 6: I think it is just awesome.
Speaker 2: I had a fit round grade on him.
Speaker 4: It makes a waves for sure.
Speaker 3: I like wa and hey, we've already seen a late
Speaker 3: round Day three pickup from Fresno State make a bit
Speaker 3: of an.
Speaker 2: Impact on DA. I mean, it's happened now.
Speaker 3: He was a draft pick, he wasn't an undrafted free agent.
Speaker 3: We're talking of course about Dron Blans too, and he
Speaker 3: was on defense. But I do I like Jalen Moreno cropper.
Speaker 3: I wasn't as impressed and OTA one, but again it's
Speaker 3: OTA one. Everybody we were in May will be okay,
Speaker 3: Like everybody's gonna have a chance to show out a
Speaker 3: training camp. I remember last year we were talking about TJ.
Speaker 3: Vasher and Dennis Houston. It felt like every day because
Speaker 3: Vasher was making highlight reel plays and then Dennis Houston
Speaker 3: was making the regular plays and looking better and growing
Speaker 3: and getting better with Dak Prescott and the chemistry there
Speaker 3: and real.
Speaker 4: Quick talk about I'm blaming really quickly. He was taking
Speaker 4: some rips on the outside. Yeah, in OTA one, so
Speaker 4: Cowboys are kind of moving him around seeing what he
Speaker 4: can do with you know, Jordan Lewis's return looming, so
Speaker 4: things are going to get real fun, real fun.
Speaker 3: Final thing on on OTA one before we go to
Speaker 3: break Stefan Gilmour, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that you glides oh to the football. He
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Speaker 4: Look for the one who says Gilmore is watched is crazy.
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Speaker 3: five five two two nine seven. Jim in Pasadena is
Speaker 3: our first caller this Tuesday. Jim, how's it going. You're
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Speaker 13: Fine? How are you guys doing well?
Speaker 1: Zo?
Speaker 2: What's on your mind?
Speaker 7: Great man?
Speaker 13: Hey, you've mentioned Steven Gilmore and I did some tape
Speaker 13: Steady and he seems to be the exact same player
Speaker 13: as Diggs reads routs well, wants to jump, needs pressure
Speaker 13: in front of him to force a single break route
Speaker 13: and not give an extended route. But neither of them
Speaker 13: will come up and make a tackle.
Speaker 5: So how is that going to play out?
Speaker 13: How are we going to cover that up? I'll leave
Speaker 13: it to you to answer that.
Speaker 3: No, that's a really guy, that's a great question, Thank
Speaker 3: you very much, Jim. And he's he's correct in the
Speaker 3: fact that, yes.
Speaker 2: Their strength is coverage.
Speaker 3: Their strength is making a play on the football, and
Speaker 3: their strength is not coming up and making a tackle
Speaker 3: and we saw that. I mean, we talked about it
Speaker 3: at nauseum. You talked about it at nauseum last year,
Speaker 3: Trayvon Diggs, what was the one thing we wanted him
Speaker 3: to do? Improve TAKEO come up and make a play,
Speaker 3: come up and make a tackle, specifically, be physical. Stefan
Speaker 3: Gilmour is more physical than Trayvon Digs just based off
Speaker 3: of the film that we've seen.
Speaker 2: But is he a completely different player or the he
Speaker 2: said he was the same player.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I agree. I don't think he
Speaker 2: takes as many risks as Trayvon does.
Speaker 4: Patrick, what do you say, Well, if you compare him
Speaker 4: to twenty twenty one Trevon Diggs, then you could say, well,
Speaker 4: I don't see that he takes as many risks. But
Speaker 4: last year at Trevon Diggs scaled back the amount of
Speaker 4: times that he chose to take that risk because he
Speaker 4: was more so understanding that the team needs him more
Speaker 4: to be that coverage guy versus simply being the ballhawk.
Speaker 4: He was still a ballhawk, and he had two or
Speaker 4: three dropped interceptions that would have had him right there
Speaker 4: with Deron Bland as far as leading the team so
Speaker 4: his ballhawk ability, ballhawk and ability is still there. Stefan Gilmore,
Speaker 4: his ballhawk and ability is still there. I will say
Speaker 4: now comparing the twenty twenty two version of Trevon Diggs
Speaker 4: to twenty twenty three Gilmore not entirely different. You're not
Speaker 4: going to get the best tacklers from either one of
Speaker 4: those guys. But to your point, Jim, they both thrive
Speaker 4: when they have an elite pass rush in front of them.
Speaker 4: Good news, they have an elite pass rush in front
Speaker 4: of them here in Dallas, so that's going to work
Speaker 4: in their favor. How do you mask some of those
Speaker 4: situations where Higgs or Gilmore may not come up and tackle?
Speaker 4: How you want your safety unit, your safe unit and
Speaker 4: your linebackers. That's how you mask it. Your linebackers. Du
Speaker 4: Mont Clark playing sideline, the sideline lve We'll see what
Speaker 4: demarve On Overshown can bring to the table. Those kind
Speaker 4: of sideline the sideline linebackers help protect you. Be it
Speaker 4: screen screen passes from the opposing offense, and you got
Speaker 4: to crash down and cover that. It allows your cornerbacks
Speaker 4: to be able to play more freely as far as
Speaker 4: in coverage. So that's answer your question. From my standpoint,
Speaker 4: that's how you cover athletic linebackers.
Speaker 2: They have it.
Speaker 4: Elite pass rush to shorten and shrink those windows. You
Speaker 4: have it, and then you have a safety unit. Three
Speaker 4: headed monster jay Ron kurtzt Donovan Wilson, elite hooker. They
Speaker 4: kind of know how to play football too.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and at least into my answer, if you have
Speaker 8: two aggressive boundary guys, then you have to have nice
Speaker 8: weapons around them that are balanced, and Jim, we have that.
Speaker 8: So it was a great question, Jim. But let's say
Speaker 8: at the worst case that they don't have those weapons
Speaker 8: around them. It's two Treyvon Diggs a bad thing. No,
Speaker 8: I don't think it's a terrible thing. It's not ideal
Speaker 8: maybe in some instances, but looking at Stefan Gilmore's career,
Speaker 8: you know, as as his career has gone on, he's
Speaker 8: slowly started to take a little bit of aggression out
Speaker 8: every season, which is it's a good thing and a
Speaker 8: bad thing in some ways. And maybe that's a different conversation,
Speaker 8: but what he's been able to take away is those
Speaker 8: jumping those routes and you know, letting someone take take
Speaker 8: it to the crib. Seventy five yards. And we saw
Speaker 8: it last year with Trayvon against Cooper Cup. When he
Speaker 8: took that, it was like right over the middle route.
Speaker 8: He just took it seventy five yards to the crib
Speaker 8: and I was like, man, that was that was a
Speaker 8: second year Trayvon Diggs right there. So I don't think
Speaker 8: we'll be seeing a lot of that next season from
Speaker 8: either of the boundary guys. But even if that's a
Speaker 8: lot of turnovers and dan Quinn wants to turn the ball.
Speaker 3: Over, yeah, and here's the thing, and I'll pass this
Speaker 3: to Isaiah, but from twenty twenty one, Trayvon Diggs the
Speaker 3: eleven interceptions. Yes, an incredible season out there, but on film,
Speaker 3: what was Trayvon Diggs his better year twenty one or.
Speaker 2: Twenty two, twenty two? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, agree, So he could still take a step
Speaker 3: up in that regard and continue to force Turnoversah, but
Speaker 3: now you have the second guy to play off of,
Speaker 3: like Nick is talking about, and I think it does
Speaker 3: it opens Trayvon Digs up to be able to take
Speaker 3: that guy because all of a sudden, yes, the number
Speaker 3: one guy is probably still going to be covered by
Speaker 3: Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 2: But he's not going to travel either way. So either
Speaker 2: your one or your.
Speaker 3: Two wide receiver is going to be covered by either
Speaker 3: Trayvon Diggs or Stefan Gilmore.
Speaker 4: Clem, Yeah, I mean, first of all, coverage wise, you know,
Speaker 4: Trayvon istefinding Gilmore. Both of those guys are now patient.
Speaker 4: Gilmore is more patient than Trayvon because he's seen more
Speaker 4: and he's more confident in his ability to actual.
Speaker 3: Passer rating allowed last year, Gilmore eighty three, just under
Speaker 3: eighty three and Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 2: Was just under ninety nine.
Speaker 3: So it is there's a little bit of a difference.
Speaker 3: Gilmore has been better coverage wise.
Speaker 4: But you look at their position, coach, and then you
Speaker 4: look at the fact that Gilmore is bringing that wisdom.
Speaker 4: You know Trayvon's going to continue to improve in that regard.
Speaker 4: When it comes down to the tackling aspect, you are
Speaker 4: not wrong about last year and his unwillingness, thank you,
Speaker 4: to tackle. It's not a stainability. It was an unwillingness
Speaker 4: all the ability a couple of times.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So it's not it's not a matter of can
Speaker 2: he tackle or is he a good tackler, It's just
Speaker 2: he just didn't want to tackle.
Speaker 4: So when you talk about that aspect of things, you
Speaker 4: address that by saying, we need you to make a
Speaker 4: certain effort to try to get some guys down to
Speaker 4: the ground, and at the very minimum, we need you
Speaker 4: to come up and force them into your help.
Speaker 2: So I need you as a defensive back. Once you
Speaker 2: see a.
Speaker 4: Run thread, once you see a screen thread or whatever
Speaker 4: it may be that's underneath your coverage, Okay, you make
Speaker 4: the decision to come downhill, and I need you to
Speaker 4: shoot the outside hip. What a shooting the outside hip
Speaker 4: does what It takes away their ability to get to
Speaker 4: the sideline. And by taking away their ability to go
Speaker 4: to the sideline, they have to then go where inside.
Speaker 4: And when you're going inside, you're going to your flowing
Speaker 4: second level, your flowing defensive line.
Speaker 2: All those guys that are coming out to that coverage.
Speaker 3: So at the very least, I just need you to
Speaker 3: come down here and go dog on roman reigns at
Speaker 3: their outside laid right and send them back inside to
Speaker 3: your help. Even just just throwing your body out there
Speaker 3: like that will sure up a lot of the tackling
Speaker 3: issues that we have last year.
Speaker 6: It just protect us acknowledge helm.
Speaker 3: Now get to the outside, put a bot in the
Speaker 3: way and force him back to your help side.
Speaker 4: That has the ability. We've seen him on a couple
Speaker 4: of occasions last year, key situations, crashed down on the
Speaker 4: running back and keep that running back from getting that
Speaker 4: key first down that the Cowboys might have lost the
Speaker 4: game if that was a conversion, so we've seen it.
Speaker 4: Does he have some Dion in his game? Yeah, he does.
Speaker 4: Dion made a lot of business decisions when.
Speaker 2: It came to tackle.
Speaker 4: He ended up with a pretty okay resume as far
Speaker 4: as NFL. So Trevon Diggs, he'll figure it out. But again,
Speaker 4: it's just making sure that when it comes time to
Speaker 4: crash down, just do it.
Speaker 2: Just do it. Yeah.
Speaker 8: But one thing that Trayvon Diggs has that Dion didn't
Speaker 8: have is that length. And when you have like that,
Speaker 8: you have to be able to tackle.
Speaker 6: I don't care who you are.
Speaker 2: My favorite quote, Okay today is the next set, Jim, Jim.
Speaker 2: We have that, Jim. We've got that all right. Mike
Speaker 2: and Houston, you're on talking Cowboys. What's going on? Mike?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't mean to be like, you know, the league,
Speaker 5: but I just want to bring up this, Uh, this
Speaker 5: observation seems like with Zeke. Uh, you know, with the
Speaker 5: Cowboys moving on from Zeke, and you know, it brings
Speaker 5: up a gap, you know, with short yarded situation and
Speaker 5: of course past blocking. And my question is, how do
Speaker 5: you guys think that that'll you know, where the Cowboys
Speaker 5: go into training camp trying to figure out what to
Speaker 5: do to fill that void or is it crazy to
Speaker 5: think that they go back to the.
Speaker 2: Table with Zeke. Okay, great question, Mike, I really appreciated.
Speaker 3: And yes, Ezekiel Elliott is still available for those that
Speaker 3: may not be keeping up with it.
Speaker 2: He's still a free agent.
Speaker 14: Uh.
Speaker 3: Patrick, you wrote an article on Dallas Cowboys dot com now,
Speaker 3: a really good article.
Speaker 2: I read it this morning that uh, thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was about McCarthy talking about the running back situation.
Speaker 2: Is not about quote unquote replacing Zeke. But that's what
Speaker 2: Mike is talking about.
Speaker 3: Here, replacing Zeke, possibly with Zeke, but with somebody else
Speaker 3: where do you go from him?
Speaker 4: So, in McCarthy's right, not about replacing Zeke as much
Speaker 4: as it is unleashing these young guys Tony Pollard and
Speaker 4: now Duce Vaughn. And but then you circle back, and
Speaker 4: you say, well, production still has to be replaced if
Speaker 4: at all possible, particularly like he's saying, in the short
Speaker 4: yardage and in the red zone. That's what they brought
Speaker 4: Ronald Jones in for. They brought Ronald Jones in to
Speaker 4: be that short yardage back, that physical guy who can
Speaker 4: compliment Tony Pollard in that capacity. Now, as far as
Speaker 4: the roster numbers go, how does that work out? When
Speaker 4: you talk about I'm confident duce Von is going to
Speaker 4: make the roster. Uh and then Hunter looky lip lip key,
Speaker 4: he has a great shot at making the roster. Full back, slash,
Speaker 4: running back, slash, slot, receiver, h slash, wherever you want.
Speaker 2: He might be a podcast host by the end of
Speaker 2: the year.
Speaker 4: If not for Cordell Stewart, we'd be calling him slash.
Speaker 4: But flashback. That showed my age there, But I like that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you gotta you have to replace the production, and I
Speaker 4: think Ronald Jones has the best shot at doing that.
Speaker 4: But that doesn't necessarily mean his spot is guaranteed, because
Speaker 4: if for whatever reason, the Cowboys don't like what they
Speaker 4: see over the next couple of months from Ronald Jones,
Speaker 4: I don't think you then get that from duce Vaughan.
Speaker 4: Then you have to turn and you look at a
Speaker 4: guy like Malik Davis and you say, you know what,
Speaker 4: you aren't necessarily built like Zeke, but you're built closer
Speaker 4: to him than Tony Pollard was, or definitely than duce
Speaker 4: Vaughan is. So that brings back the question mark what
Speaker 4: they circle back to Ezekiel Elliott. Jerry Jones has been
Speaker 4: pounding the table about this. The door isn't closed until
Speaker 4: Zeke signs somewhere else. But putting myself in Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 4: shoes and this is just me speaking, channeling my Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 4: I'm not speaking for him, but if I'm Zeke, the
Speaker 4: answer is no.
Speaker 2: Number. The answer is no. Not only is the number going,
Speaker 2: and that could be easily reversed.
Speaker 4: Okay, give me my number back. But from an Ezekiel
Speaker 4: Elliot standpoint and the competitor in him, he should be
Speaker 4: wanting to prove people wrong, and that's not going to
Speaker 4: happen by returning to this team. He's going to have
Speaker 4: to go to another team. Show he still has the punch,
Speaker 4: still has the juice, still has the speed, and that
Speaker 4: he can probably parlay into maybe even if not one
Speaker 4: more big contract, at least a mid level contract to
Speaker 4: potentially end his NFL career if he comes back to
Speaker 4: the Cowboys. If I'm him, I feel like that's tail
Speaker 4: tucked between your legs, which is like, oh, well, I
Speaker 4: couldn't find another. Even if that's not true, it's the
Speaker 4: optics of the situation. So the Cowboys are not out
Speaker 4: on potentially bringing back Ezekiel Elliot if it comes to that.
Speaker 4: But I'm more so of the mindset of I think
Speaker 4: Ezekiel Elliott is kind of playing it out for training
Speaker 4: camp and injury is going to happen, and he's going
Speaker 4: to land with the team and there you go. He's
Speaker 4: now a mercenary. He's now a mercenary.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: If we're talking percentages, I give it like fifteen to
Speaker 8: twenty percent that he would be back in the Dallas
Speaker 8: Cowboys uniform by training camp.
Speaker 6: Wow, That's how I see it.
Speaker 8: But talking about short yarded situations, I'm confident in Tony
Speaker 8: Pollard to be able to be in those situations.
Speaker 6: He compliments to the offense.
Speaker 8: It's similar to what Zeke brought with his physicality and aggression,
Speaker 8: just being able to plow the line. Tony Tony Pollard
Speaker 8: has that finesse, he can get in, he can find
Speaker 8: the hole and he can get that yard. I'm fully
Speaker 8: confident in that pass blocking. That's the question I have.
Speaker 8: Can Ronald Jones do that? And if he does it
Speaker 8: to an elite level, that's far superior to the other
Speaker 8: running backs on the roster, and that immediately gives away
Speaker 8: what you're doing pre snaps, So you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 8: curious to see how they they juggle the past pass
Speaker 8: blocking situation. I think that's going to be more interesting,
Speaker 8: But I'm not worried about.
Speaker 4: You probably get that one or two yards. Get your
Speaker 4: left guard situation.
Speaker 2: Figure We got that for the third segment. That for
Speaker 2: the third segment. It's coming, Gaal, It's coming. What do
Speaker 2: you think, Isaiah?
Speaker 4: Now I'm along the lines with Nick. Everybody can talk
Speaker 4: about short yardage all day long. I'm unconcerned and unbothered
Speaker 4: with short yardage. I don't know the last time I
Speaker 4: saw running back outside of Henry just power plowing over
Speaker 4: anybody that comes in their way. So short yardage comes
Speaker 4: down to the willingness from the running back position to
Speaker 4: come downhill at one hundred percent speed, and then your
Speaker 4: office in line to be able to move some people
Speaker 4: off the ball. So that's why I was on board
Speaker 4: with getting a high draft pick fourth, the left guard
Speaker 4: that we'll talk about, because no matter who you face
Speaker 4: on that front line, it doesn't matter who's behind you,
Speaker 4: they're just gonna come downhill speed and they'll get that yard.
Speaker 2: I am more concerned with the pass blocking.
Speaker 4: Nobody's talking about the past blocking void that is now
Speaker 4: in the backfield that Ezekiel Elliott has has left.
Speaker 2: That's the thing you're missing the most. That's the thing
Speaker 2: you're going to miss that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So Cowboy's Nation, if you guys need to go
Speaker 4: back and watch film, go back and watch film. There
Speaker 4: is nobody on last year's roster or on this roster
Speaker 4: that I currently see that has the capabilities and understanding
Speaker 4: of the offense and the weaknesses of this offense all right,
Speaker 4: in terms of being able to pick up and protect
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott from falling on the ground, knowing Dak's tendencies
Speaker 4: without even seeing him. You came into the league with
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott, you were his bestie this whole time. You
Speaker 4: know his tendencies. You know if you go to block here,
Speaker 4: He'll probably be leaning this way or that way. It's
Speaker 4: just telepathy at that point.
Speaker 8: So yeah, and I think it makes it that more
Speaker 8: imperative that Ronald Jones becomes a threat and a rushing threat.
Speaker 8: And he's still young, he's twenty five. He's got two
Speaker 8: rings that must be nice. He's got a big career
Speaker 8: in front of him. So I mean, if he can
Speaker 8: show some sort of rushing ability, that immediately takes away
Speaker 8: the problem you.
Speaker 3: Have that you guys just gave me a homework assignment
Speaker 3: this week, and I'm going to push it back to
Speaker 3: you guys. But Ronald Jones pass blocking film, I haven't
Speaker 3: watched it yet. I just watched him as a runner,
Speaker 3: but I'm going to go back and watch him as
Speaker 3: a pass blocker. I don't think anybody could be. It
Speaker 3: might be one of the top, if not the top,
Speaker 3: pass blocking running back.
Speaker 2: To get Murrays, Jones drew out of retirement.
Speaker 3: Out of retirement, you got to pull him off the
Speaker 3: studio set exactly, all right, Bob in Nashville, you are
Speaker 3: on Talking Cowboys. Welcome back to the show. How's it going.
Speaker 2: Great? What's on your mind? Hey?
Speaker 7: Long time no talk? I Aiah mentioned that you know,
Speaker 7: he thinks Dallas is going to keep four tight ends.
Speaker 7: I understand their arrestion now, but I'd rather keep three
Speaker 7: because I think if you keep that fullback, he can
Speaker 7: kind of do some of the similar stuff that maybe
Speaker 7: the fourth tight end would do. But I really want
Speaker 7: to see Turpin on an offense. I really think he
Speaker 7: can have that spark, that explosiveness that we were lacking,
Speaker 7: especially running a lot of crossing routes. I just think
Speaker 7: he provides that element that none of the other two
Speaker 7: receivers Tolbert and Bojoko does So if he asked for
Speaker 7: my advice, which I'm sure they wouldn't, I'd say three
Speaker 7: tight ends, and I think we need to get Turpin
Speaker 7: more involved. Just thought i'd throw that out there.
Speaker 6: Hey, I would listen to your advice.
Speaker 2: That that great question, by the way, Bob, and great advice.
Speaker 3: But you look at now that the battle shifts from
Speaker 3: Sean McEwan versus Hunter Lipkey.
Speaker 2: All right, I mean that's kind of your fourth battle
Speaker 2: right there.
Speaker 3: He's absolutely correct. That's what it's going to come down to.
Speaker 3: It's really going to the determining factor for whether or
Speaker 3: not this offense keeps four offensive tight ends is going
Speaker 3: to be whether a hunter and liftky can figure it
Speaker 3: out and can actually have an impact, And then you
Speaker 3: have to go to the conversation, how many times are
Speaker 3: going to line up in an eye or a weak
Speaker 3: or strong set?
Speaker 2: What percentage of our offense is going to be based
Speaker 2: upon that. You're gonna use.
Speaker 3: Two tight ends, quiet u two tight ends a lot,
Speaker 3: so you might want to four of those guys, I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So I'm saying, if you're not lining up thirty percent
Speaker 4: at a time in an eye, a stronger a week
Speaker 4: set with a two back set, then what's the point
Speaker 4: of carrying a fullback unless this dude is an absolute
Speaker 4: mad man on special teams as well. So it is
Speaker 4: going to come down to how effective liftkey is and
Speaker 4: if how what percentage of your offense is going to
Speaker 4: be dictated on two back sets. There's an argument to
Speaker 4: be made either way, and I love the argument Bob
Speaker 4: made and it just makes sense. But it also makes
Speaker 4: sense to carry four for the reasons that we just
Speaker 4: talked about, the reasons Isaiah just laid out. Not to
Speaker 4: mention the injury front. Injuries happen, and you hope none
Speaker 4: of these guys schoonmaker Ferguson Hindershot miss a single game
Speaker 4: this season, but seventeen games plus the playoffs, what are
Speaker 4: the odds that will happen. The odds are somebody's going
Speaker 4: to miss a game or two with this schedule. Yeah,
Speaker 4: with this schedule, know lesses. So you want Seth McEwan
Speaker 4: and there, because then you also the Cowboys likely hope
Speaker 4: they can keep a guy like Seth Green on the
Speaker 4: practice squad because then that's your plus one, so your
Speaker 4: four plus one. I think that's the better way to
Speaker 4: go about it. But again, Bob makes a great point.
Speaker 4: It's just a matter of at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: when Schottenheimer is sitting there with Mike McCarthy and the
Speaker 4: rest of the offensive staff and they say, hey, are
Speaker 4: we how often are we going to put Hunter on
Speaker 4: the field, Not just as a flex guy because you
Speaker 4: can move him out to slot every once in a
Speaker 4: while to kind of throw teams off base, but as
Speaker 4: far as strictly lining him up and saying we want
Speaker 4: you to be the full back in this particular play
Speaker 4: how many of those players are in the playbook. If
Speaker 4: it's minimal, you got to go with the four. If
Speaker 4: he's a if he's a madman on special teams, great
Speaker 4: percentage that he's on his roster sign sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we just talked about it. Great kind up
Speaker 2: against it.
Speaker 4: Numbers wise, and as far as talent wise, trying to
Speaker 4: figure out who's going to step Hill before Getford and Brown,
Speaker 4: he's not.
Speaker 2: He's not wrong in his thinking right now. No, it's
Speaker 2: a great idea, and again argument can be made in
Speaker 2: both capacity. Yeah, he wants to see Turping on offense too.
Speaker 2: I think we all do. I think we all want
Speaker 2: to see that impact start to blast a little bit.
Speaker 4: Only difference is because and we talked about this, and
Speaker 4: we talked about Semi versus Jalen, but he mentioned Simmy
Speaker 4: versus Turping. So let's quickly have that conversation. You lose
Speaker 4: and gain something with either. Turpin is faster, but Simmy's
Speaker 4: not slow. Semi is bigger and more physical, but Turpin
Speaker 4: is not lacking any toughness. So you have to kind
Speaker 4: of determine. You got to pick your spots with either
Speaker 4: one of those. And I think that it would be
Speaker 4: more practical to keep a big bodied, speedy guy like
Speaker 4: Simmy over a guy like Turpin. If you're talking about
Speaker 4: that debate. If that's the debate, I'm going semi over time.
Speaker 4: Does that mean I don't want to see Turping get plays? No,
Speaker 4: I'm on record. I want to see him make plays,
Speaker 4: utilize them, utilize them, utilize him as a wide receiver.
Speaker 4: That said, as far as Bob's argument is concerned, Turpin
Speaker 4: versus Simmy, you're going to get more production out of
Speaker 4: Semi thing you would out of Turpin.
Speaker 8: Turpin has that proven confidence and I just I when
Speaker 8: it comes to a position battle, I'm always looking at
Speaker 8: the production and the confidence, and that's that's what I'm
Speaker 8: looking at for Turpin.
Speaker 2: Got it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's something that everybody is looking for
Speaker 3: and trying to trying to see out of Turpin heading
Speaker 3: into this twenty twenty three season.
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break. When we come back.
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Speaker 3: you just all I feel like you just hear offensive line.
Speaker 2: And he just appears Peter Tingles boom. Because we we
Speaker 2: don't text you.
Speaker 3: I mean we talked to you all the time, but
Speaker 3: like we don't text you and say, hey, we're talking
Speaker 3: offensive line.
Speaker 2: We need your insight.
Speaker 3: But we just we just mentioned it and Nick wrote
Speaker 3: an article online about the offensive line rotation.
Speaker 2: But what did you see in the first first O
Speaker 2: t A you got you got a chance to watch
Speaker 2: a little bit of it.
Speaker 9: Not much.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 9: What I was more interested is in the new coaches
Speaker 9: and their techniques and what they're doing.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: It's one guy.
Speaker 9: I gotta learn his name. He said left. He's starting
Speaker 9: left guard doing the first OT as this phoney. I
Speaker 9: gotta learn his name and uh and I'm hoping that he,
Speaker 9: uh he fills in. I hope that he is the guy.
Speaker 9: I don't want to play musical chairs with offensive line.
Speaker 9: We got still that right tackle when he gets healthy.
Speaker 9: We got Martin at right guard, all everything. We got
Speaker 9: uh Fotis at the center, and I'm hoping that this
Speaker 9: new kid takes.
Speaker 2: That place and they will have that.
Speaker 9: Our left tackle will have Tyler Smith, and then the
Speaker 9: other guy will be our rotation guy.
Speaker 2: They're great, all pro Tyron Tyron, And that is how
Speaker 2: we have to look at that.
Speaker 9: Because eventually it's gonna get to that because when Tyron
Speaker 9: have that little two or three game absence, that is
Speaker 9: our guy. So that's how I'm gonna look at this
Speaker 9: starting five. Now, I know Tyron is as long as
Speaker 9: he's healthy, he's gonna be the left tackle.
Speaker 2: But and you no, no, no right tack Okay, no Tyler.
Speaker 9: If everything goes right, Tyrone would be the left tackle.
Speaker 9: Tyler would be the left guard. And that's how I
Speaker 9: would do it. And that's the only way I'm gonna
Speaker 9: look at it, because that's only if you want your
Speaker 9: best five. That would be your best five when everything
Speaker 9: is healthy. Now your second five is the new kid. Yes,
Speaker 9: and that's that's your second five. Now he's a semi now, yeah,
Speaker 9: what I mean is new kid up front. I'm talking
Speaker 9: about seven eight games in you know, will he be
Speaker 9: that guy. I think he will be that guy if
Speaker 9: give him a chance to play and to develop. Now,
Speaker 9: I don't know about Ball or the guy they had
Speaker 9: last year with the hurt shoulder with Alaskaska. I don't
Speaker 9: know about all of them.
Speaker 2: But what you have to do.
Speaker 9: With them putting in the new language with this offense
Speaker 9: with Mike McCarthy is you can't have a lot of
Speaker 9: new guys up front. You got to get five or
Speaker 9: six guys, maybe seven guys to work together in unison
Speaker 9: because you got to understand every time I say this word,
Speaker 9: whatever this word may be, and I got a new
Speaker 9: left tackle and he don't understand what men, you just
Speaker 9: worked over the whole summer.
Speaker 2: So when when you had this mistake, that pays for it.
Speaker 9: Remember with a bad thumb he got the first game
Speaker 9: he's got contingentsally hit hit that's become because of the
Speaker 9: lack of working together. Because when you have a lot
Speaker 9: of leakage to the way they did that, freaking now
Speaker 9: we lose.
Speaker 2: That Nick, give it.
Speaker 4: Give the people a little bit of insight from obviously
Speaker 4: you being an amazing, amazing office alignment and.
Speaker 2: They need to put some respect on it.
Speaker 4: Let people know how difficult it is when you're used
Speaker 4: to playing next to somebody. How much nonverbal communication takes place,
Speaker 4: how much verbal communication?
Speaker 3: How much does a tap on the shoulder, tap on
Speaker 3: the hip? How much does all that stuff play apart?
Speaker 3: And then you obviously you swap somebody else out, and
Speaker 3: then somebody else is in that role. How much of
Speaker 3: an effect does it have on your communication with the individual?
Speaker 9: And I'm gonna say it again, it's it's your quarterback.
Speaker 9: He's gonna pay for it out of all all the positions.
Speaker 9: When you have lack of communication, like you said that,
Speaker 9: when when you'll see Dak walk up to the line,
Speaker 9: and I'll use the quarterback because it's simple favor. Dak
Speaker 9: will walk up to the line. He'll do something like this,
Speaker 9: now we were around here saying what in the world.
Speaker 9: Or he'll do something like this, what No, but to receivers,
Speaker 9: no them tight ends, no, the slop backs.
Speaker 14: No that nonverbal Yes, yes, he'll come up and say,
Speaker 14: bighead twins, bighead twins, that mean too quick slants because
Speaker 14: they can't get down the field.
Speaker 3: But but what But what's happening at the office of line.
Speaker 3: Let's give everybody a little bit of insight. What's some
Speaker 3: of the cues that that you guys are giving to
Speaker 3: each other rights.
Speaker 9: If I walk up to the line and they say
Speaker 9: it's an over that means the center cover and were
Speaker 9: the strong side we walk up to the tight end
Speaker 9: is on my left side, and they say over the
Speaker 9: center cover, I'm covered in the tackle cover. So if
Speaker 9: I walk up and we and we run a zone
Speaker 9: play to that side, I'm gonna say, trio, Well, that
Speaker 9: trio belongs to who that belongs to my center, me
Speaker 9: and my tackle, we're going we roll it and and
Speaker 9: it's and that's how we roll it. If I walk
Speaker 9: up and say and they give us an even look,
Speaker 9: and I say, trio and we rolling in the same part,
Speaker 9: that means.
Speaker 2: The backside guard, the backside tackle and me is rolling
Speaker 2: and that and that dance next that man that's next
Speaker 2: to you. That dance has to be on point.
Speaker 9: Yes, it has nothing to do with the tackle. Now,
Speaker 9: just depending on what their look is, that word trio
Speaker 9: can mean multiple things.
Speaker 2: And then when they.
Speaker 9: Once they figured out dummy, dummy, we called to the lion,
Speaker 9: it's a pass place. We lean a little full trio trio,
Speaker 9: they honk her down we sitting back past man.
Speaker 2: See what I'm saying. We we love you. We you're
Speaker 2: on the podcast next, right, Yeah, yeah, we we.
Speaker 9: You know, we ain't as big as y'all, smart as y'all.
Speaker 7: But I.
Speaker 2: Also want to argue twins.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, we gotta get out of here,
Speaker 3: bir Yeah we did, lie rich Richards, okay, and what
Speaker 3: do you guys is do we have any and so yeah,
Speaker 3: let's let's let's get Nate out of here first because
Speaker 3: he's gotta get ready for so you're just gonna hang out.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's yeah, awesome Richards and Chemdoga. And then here's
Speaker 2: the five that you saw with the starters.
Speaker 3: It was Tyler Smith at left tackle, it was Matt
Speaker 3: Farniac at left guard, Tyler Biottish at center, Josh Ball
Speaker 3: at right guard, and then Tyrone Smith at right tackle.
Speaker 3: That was the offensive O T put it back on.
Speaker 3: I mean, hey, listen about and you don't have Terrence
Speaker 3: Steele either. There's no Terrence Steele and no Zach Martin
Speaker 3: available in practice.
Speaker 2: Ball bumped down the guard.
Speaker 3: Ball was in he was taking guard snaps. Yes, So
Speaker 3: that was the rotation. We saw a little bit of
Speaker 3: awesome Richards and that was about it. A little bit
Speaker 3: of awesome Richards and and honestly, you you talked about
Speaker 3: the guard position and you put an article online about
Speaker 3: the left guard candidates with ch Madoga, Matt Farniac and
Speaker 3: Josh Ball. I want to answer that question first, because
Speaker 3: I mean, you wrote the article, but what do you
Speaker 3: think about the way that it's shaking out.
Speaker 8: I like where Matt Farniock is and I'm glad that's
Speaker 8: kind of the consensus here. I think whenever it comes
Speaker 8: to rotating in and you mentioned something Nate, the last
Speaker 8: seven seasons, Tyron Smith has missed games at least three
Speaker 8: games the last seven seasons, and there hasn't been a
Speaker 8: really clear plan to replace him. I think last year
Speaker 8: they got really lucky because Tyler Smith was really good
Speaker 8: at his job. Going into this year, if they can
Speaker 8: have a plan to replace him at age thirty three,
Speaker 8: he's only getting older. If he goes down, I don't
Speaker 8: want to say when. If he goes down, then there
Speaker 8: has to be a reliable plan. I think Matt Farnioc
Speaker 8: can be that reliable plan. I think Matt Farnioc is
Speaker 8: the better offensive lineman in that group that is in
Speaker 8: the mix for that for that role, I think Chuma
Speaker 8: Yidoga is the better guard though, so I'm curious to
Speaker 8: see how they go about doing that well.
Speaker 4: And I'm owned record as constantly saying over these past
Speaker 4: few weeks, keep an eye on Matt Foarnioc. I understand
Speaker 4: that he has experience as a center, but I'm looking
Speaker 4: for the Cowboys to get him reps at left guard
Speaker 4: so that they can pit him against Chu Moneydogas so
Speaker 4: they can pit him against the fifth round pick Austin Richards.
Speaker 2: But the lead goes to Farnioc.
Speaker 4: So if Farniac can remain healthy, that's kind of been
Speaker 4: his problem, is that the injuries have slowed his development.
Speaker 4: If he can become healthy, then yes he can be
Speaker 4: or at least challenge for the left guard position. And
Speaker 4: but for me, though, it goes back to best five,
Speaker 4: which I have the same best front five is as
Speaker 4: Nate does. It's Tyrone, Tyler, the Yaddish, Zach Terrence. So
Speaker 4: for me, that means you're fighting for LG two, which
Speaker 4: is still you still need that because somebody's gonna go
Speaker 4: down with injury, likely seven to seven. You don't want
Speaker 4: to see it happen, but his past few seasons have
Speaker 4: shown it's probably gonna happen. So then when that happens,
Speaker 4: Tyler goes out, and then you put Farnioc in at
Speaker 4: left guard and you try to keep everything right of
Speaker 4: left guard exactly how it needs to be.
Speaker 3: That's the risk you take with playing best five with
Speaker 3: that rotation, because I agree that is your best five.
Speaker 2: But the risk that you take is that then it
Speaker 2: opens the door. That's true for a revolving door.
Speaker 4: There's an argument that because may to say, you know,
Speaker 4: it'll be easy seventy seven, that's your swing. But then
Speaker 4: that immediately means that a Fontioca, whomever moves to LG,
Speaker 4: they have to from minute one. They have to be
Speaker 4: ready to be that guy. And we'll see how these
Speaker 4: next two three months play out. But as we have
Speaker 4: this conversation, I don't know that any of those three
Speaker 4: are ready to be that guy right now.
Speaker 2: Yes they are. Yeah.
Speaker 9: You don't draft players and send them on the bench
Speaker 9: for five years unless they quarterback and then say.
Speaker 2: Hey man, are you ready. No, you're not gonna be ready.
Speaker 9: The only way to get ready today's NFL is to
Speaker 9: play today's NFL does not allow you, unless you are
Speaker 9: a quarterback, to say, hey man, we're gonna take it
Speaker 9: easy on you. Now it's five years done, passed you ready,
Speaker 9: ain't took a snap. You got to play these guys.
Speaker 9: It's called development. Training camp has to mean something. If
Speaker 9: you don't have a seven or more year thing on
Speaker 9: your back, training camp has to be the way you
Speaker 9: make this team.
Speaker 2: Do know, No, but we're not.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying take it easy because they're going to
Speaker 4: play these guys. They're gonna get these reps, push them.
Speaker 4: They're gonna push these guys. But going back to what
Speaker 4: I said about Farnioc and the injury history having slowed
Speaker 4: his development, when I say I don't know if these
Speaker 4: guys are the guy right now, Farniyoc has to show
Speaker 4: me he can take these reps first team and second
Speaker 4: table and make it out of training camping preseason with
Speaker 4: no injury. Then we can have this conversation at the
Speaker 4: beginning of September and I can say, Okay, he's now
Speaker 4: made it physically.
Speaker 2: There's four guys for Hoko. Is that it to send
Speaker 2: me for Holtber? Now we can add this. We got
Speaker 2: like twenty guys. You gotta translate. Come on, these guys
Speaker 2: know they gotta make it happen. They gotta make it.
Speaker 2: We've got an opportunity is there. We've got to go.
Speaker 2: We've got to make it.
Speaker 3: Halfway getting out of here, I think, honestly, yeah, we
Speaker 3: gotta we gotta make something.
Speaker 2: I sit around table, babe, it is. It's fun, all right.
Speaker 2: You're always welcome. We got like twenty guys. We gotta
Speaker 2: get ready.
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