WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Who Is THE Guy? 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:05.960 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:07.800 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:12.760 Cowboys. 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:18.160 This is Talking Cowboys, springing live from the Dallas Cowboys 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:19.439 World headquarters at. 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:27.960 The Star in Frisco Streets Dot Tizon Touchdown. 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:33.240 And now your hosts, Isaiah Standback, Patrick Wilker, Nick Harris, 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:41.920 and Kyle Yeomans. It's another Talking Tuesday this offseason from 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:46.000 the Star in Frisco and the SWBC Studios. Welcome in, 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:48.880 everybody is We are back and ready to go. Time 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:51.960 to talk some OTAs. We're also gonna take some calls. 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:55.520 Eight eight eight eight five five two to nine seven. 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:59.360 We want to talk to Cowboys Nation, Talking Cowboys presented. 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:01.880 By Black Rifle Coffee Company, the official coffee of the 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:02.880 Dallas Cowboys. 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:06.440 Back here with Isaiah Stanback, Nick Harris, Patrick No c Walker. 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:11.240 I'm Kyle Yeoman's fresh off of two weeks vacate, I'm. 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:13.759 Energized, I'm ready to roll. Hailey Sutton face. 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:16.679 Haley Sutton popped in. She did a great job. She 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:18.680 killed it as she always does. She could catch her 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:21.400 on Girls Talk Boys Talking a ton of different programming 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.240 on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and throughout and she continues 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:24.800 to kill. 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:26.880 It as always, but I'm I'm glad to be back 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:30.520 with you. Yeah, let's go snow. 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.000 Brought back a little bit of snow. Brought back some 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:35.160 dubs for the Stars over the Kraken. But I couldn't 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:40.319 carry that into Las Vegas. So yeah, that one, that 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:42.640 one didn't work out. We're still gonna make you wear 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:44.200 a Stars jersey. I hope you know you're not getting 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.600 out of that. Yeah, the bit, we're gonna let it 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:51.240 settle for like a week. We can put that on 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.040 too if you want. But that's a separate that's a 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:56.280 separate deal. The day, Yeah, that's another day. We'll give 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:58.440 you a green one. 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.200 Give you a nice hat. We'll make it work. I'll 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.240 take that. I'll take my medicine. Yeah right, we lost 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:07.160 you guys won then and then lost them. Well you know, 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:11.440 it happens. It does it all on our recliners. Yeah. 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:15.040 Now we're all watching the finals together and guess what, 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:17.280 we're also watching ot as too as we are close. 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.440 Now it's officially football season, right, I mean the Rangers 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.519 are doing their thing. No, Rangers continue to kill. 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:26.480 It, but it's football. Come on now, like we're getting 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:29.520 into one hundred days till football set to day yea 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:35.400 until Thursday night to your points, shake it before you 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:36.280 there you go. 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.239 That's awesome, he it is. It gets me like butterflies, 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.480 Like it gets me ready. It gives me butterflies. It's 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:43.000 the fact they're about to hit June. And you know, 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:44.800 when there's June and then there's July, and then there's 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:46.160 training camp. 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.560 Bump bump. We're gonna have plenty to talk about a 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:51.760 training camp. You better believe it. It's gonna be great. 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.799 Wait daily, Uh, it is a busy week at the Star. 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:55.919 There's a lot going on. 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:58.720 I'm suited up today because I'm helping with a high 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:00.720 school diversity coaching so I'm at They brought in a 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.359 bunch of high school coaches, really really cool event that 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:04.480 they're going on upstairs. 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:07.160 We've got the Rookie Premiere later in the week. You 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:08.120 and I'll be a part of that. 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:08.880 Uh. 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.680 And then OTAs m H going into mini camp next 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:17.560 week and we're really getting the first real look at 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:19.440 this Cowboys team. And we got a chance to look 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:21.160 at practice last week as well. But let's start with 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.760 some news and notes because it is a busy week ahead. 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:25.919 There's a lot going on media days this week too. 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.600 I forgot about that even today and tomorrow, oh man. 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.680 And then more lock and room access on Thursday. OTA 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.200 Part two practice. Yeah, another practice. 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.560 Busy weekend, A busy week, I should say, going into 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.400 the this week for the Cowboys. So first and foremost 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:44.160 news and notes, let's talk about some injury rehabilitation. Tony 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:47.560 Pollard and Terrence Steele. As Mike McCarthy said last week, 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:50.920 there are both tracking well as far as no setbacks. 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.760 What does that mean as far as training camp start 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.440 a training camp in July? Will either of them start 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.760 on the PUP list, the physically unable to perform list? 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:02.200 That is to be determined. Same thing for Jordan Lewis. 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.800 Jordan Lewis did not participate in OTA one last week, 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:09.120 which was not unexpected. He is still tracking well, but 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:11.520 there being extra cautious with him. He's still doing his 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:14.120 his rehab work with Britt Brown and the training staff. 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:18.240 Terrence Steele, he was off to the side before departing 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.280 later in OTA's last week to meet with the training 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.760 staff get his rehab in. Tony Pollard was actually taking 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.320 some reps with the first team, and I can't you 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:28.400 talk about butterflies. 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:29.080 Oh? 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:30.560 Yes, he was moving. 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:32.279 Quite well, quite well. 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:33.120 That juice. 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:35.960 Yeah, there was a whole whole box of Caprice Son 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:38.400 in that leg, A lot of juice, A lot of juice. 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.000 Do we have a juice sponsor? I don't know. I 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:42.680 didn't have. 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:49.000 Caprice Son call us. So yeah, Tony Pollard, he's looking 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:50.560 he's looking uh spry. 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:51.040 Uh. 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.440 He's not there yet air quotes on there, but he 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:56.760 is making progress enough where he can take those reps. 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:59.680 So that's a good thing. Michael Gallup, Uh, obviously he 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.640 ret from his torn acl last year, but everybody wants 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.320 to know how does he look going into this offseason. 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:09.440 He's looking quite springy. We keep using that word spring. 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:11.600 He has a bounce in his step. It looks like 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.360 the Michael got the prime Michael Gallup, It looks like 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.599 he might be back. He was running routes quite well. 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:22.200 He was elevating with ease, he was effortless. So he 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:25.440 got targeted a lot by Dak Prescott. So Dak is 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.520 pushing him early to get him back to prime for him. 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.440 So all signs point to a goal for Michael Gallup. 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.880 And I love what Micha McCarthy said last week as 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:38.760 far as expanding Gallup's role going into twenty twenty three, 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:42.560 So the expectation now and we'll keep an eye on 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:45.320 this to see if it starts to pan out that 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:47.560 way over the course of OTA's Mini camp and then 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.600 ultimately training camp. But Mike McCarthy did say Gallup is 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:54.280 going to be utilized more underneath. They're going to start 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:57.320 expanding his route tree. So not only is he going 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:00.240 to be that go route out physical a guy high 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:02.159 point the ball, but they're looking for him to refine his. 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.200 Routes as will So did you see that same thing 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.320 Nick out of practice, because I know whenever I was watching. 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:08.840 Yeah, it looked like there was a little bit of 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:09.400 burst there. 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:11.719 From Gallup, which is exciting to see because you didn't 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:13.880 see a ton of that on film last year. 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:14.120 Yeah. 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:16.760 Absolutely, And we keep using the word springy because he 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.680 keeps using the word spring Yes, it's very fun just 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:22.720 because what he's been able to overcome over these last 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.440 two seasons. There's a little new sense of confidence with 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.400 him and with the expanded rowtree that Mike McCarthy will 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:30.160 be able to do for him. I think it's going 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.560 to open up this offense top to bottom. You take 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:34.839 Brandon Cooks out of the equation. I think being able 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.560 to just expand Gallup's game helps helps open up all 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:39.320 the other weapons as well. So if you have a 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.720 fully healthy Michael Gallup going into the season and being 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:43.919 able to utilize him to a way he hasn't been 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.320 utilized through his first four or five seasons here, then 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:48.800 you know that's that automatically adds another layer. 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.880 Zay, have you ever had a room wide receiver room 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.120 or even when you were a quarterback, that had an 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:58.240 influx of a veteran wide receiver or even just more 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.760 talented wide receiver, and then it helps elevate the game 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:04.920 from underneath him on the depth chart. Let's say Brandon Cooks, 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.960 he's now the divine defined wide receiver. 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:11.200 Two? Does that elevate Michael Gallup as a wide receiver? 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:11.520 Three? 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:13.600 Have you seen an instance of that in the past? Yeah, 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:14.280 it has to challenge you. 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:15.800 I mean I think back to the time where I 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.440 was with New England and we had myself, Randy Moss, 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.480 Julian Edelman, we brought in Tory Holt right, we had 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.160 David Patman, like we had like some veterans that were 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.280 coming back into the fold that had to elevate everybody 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.320 else's game. You either stepped up or you stepped out, 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:31.440 one of the two type of type of situation. So 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:35.680 having that competition in the room, obviously understanding that you're 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:38.360 in a solid number three role is still going to 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:40.560 challenge you. And the fact that you have Cooks now 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.080 in the fold is going to obviously expand his game. 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.360 That is Michael Gallup's game, because now he has another 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.480 veteran that he can learn from, somebody who's proven, somebody 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:51.840 who's not trying to figure themselves out, somebody who's not 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:53.640 trying to get there, you know, get the respect in 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.640 the league like CD and you know some of these 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:56.400 other guys in a room. 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:57.559 This is Cooks. 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.560 He's been been around for a solid minute, right, it 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:01.760 doesn't matter who steps on the field against him. 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:03.160 They know that he's a weapon. 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:05.200 So this is somebody that he can lean on and 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:08.400 get their expertise without having to get those physical reps. 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:10.720 So now you add his confidence factor back into it 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.239 along with his health, and now all of a sudden, 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:14.720 you have somebody that you have to be be worried 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:15.400 about on the Field. 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:17.960 I like the way you said step up or step 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.520 out because that's kind of the theme around the wide 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:25.080 receiver room this offseason, because there are a lot of 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:25.880 wide receivers. 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:27.520 I mean, let's just go down the depth chart. 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.640 You know, the top three Ceedee Lamb, Brandon Cook's, Michael 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:33.080 Gallup Boom boom boom. Those guys are the top three guys, 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:36.560 and it's pretty defined. There After that, it's a jumbled mess. 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.560 It is a jumbled mess. You got third round pick 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.040 Jaylen Tolbert, who of course needs to see a step up. 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.000 If you've got fifth round pick from twenty twenty. 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:45.800 One, semi Fojoko, he needs to see a step up. 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.480 Cavante Turpin, signed as a free agent, made an impact 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.520 on special teams, but where was his impact from a 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:51.600 wide receiver standpoint? 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.439 Not there. Then after that you have a mixture of 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:56.880 guys that were either practice squad guys or going to 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:57.520 be rookies. 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:02.719 Dennis Houston, Ontario, Drummond Aalen Brooks, John Stevens Junior, who 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:08.720 was undrafted free agent cropper from Fresno State. Jalen Marino, 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:12.320 cropper from Fresno. He was also a free agent Antonio 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:13.680 Callaway was signed as. 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.600 A free agent. You've got a number of these guys 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:20.000 that want that last spot. They want that fourth wide 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:22.920 receiver spot. Maybe they carry five, but let's say there's four. 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:28.080 Just for the conversational purposes. Who has a step up 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.120 in that regard? Pat based on where they are right 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.480 now and a long way from training camp. Who do 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:35.520 you feel like has a step up? 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:36.200 Baby bounces. 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:40.880 Yes, that's the best way to put it. Every one 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.199 of those guys has to step up. Jalen Tobert. This 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:45.480 is a former third round pick. You look at him 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.040 and you say, well, you know what are the Cowboys 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.720 going to get from him in year two? Semi Fojoko. 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.480 He's been in the system several years now. He has 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:57.360 chemistry with both the backup quarterbacks and with Dak Prescott. 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:01.400 He absolutely took over training ca amp last year. Suffered 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:03.080 a little bit of an injury that kind of set 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:06.120 him back. He spent the remainder of the season trying 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:06.720 to get back. 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:07.120 To that point. 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.880 I sat there and watched Ota one last week, and 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:11.960 guess who took the lead again in the wide receiver 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:14.400 for a battle Simmi for Hoko. Now the question is 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.040 no longer can Simmi for Hooko be dominant in the 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:20.400 offseason program. It's now time for him to show he 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:24.199 can be that guy in the regular season, but for 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:27.199 Hoko versus Tobart. But then you talk about Turpin. I 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:31.400 spoke specifically with Terpin's special teams rules aside because he 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.880 said he's not fair catching a damn literally, that's what 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:36.320 he said. Special teams. 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:37.920 Uh, there you go. 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.920 Special teams rule changes the side as far as the 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.439 receiver goes, as far as the receiver role goes. I 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:46.160 asked him, did he have a conversation with the Cowboys 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.400 coaching staff at the end of last season about potentially 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.040 getting more reps or getting some good quality reps that 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:54.800 aren't just you know, reverse sweeps, sweeps and jet sweeps, 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.120 And he said in his exit interview with Mike McCarthy 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.839 that specifically was a point. McCarthy asked, you know, when 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.760 your body is rested and it feels better, we're gonna 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.079 look to try to do that. Cavante let him know 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.839 I'm looking to try to do that. So looks like 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:12.200 they're in lockstep. He was getting some reps on offense, 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.000 a good bit of reps on offense, some with the 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:16.079 first team, a good bit with the second team, so 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.040 they're trying to work him in and then you go 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:21.480 backward from there. So we just talked about Tobert. I 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:24.520 feel like it's gotta happen, Simmi Fojoko, It's gotta happen, 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:29.480 Cavante Turpin. We'll see how Special Teams goes. But if 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:31.520 special teams, if that new rule kind of changes how 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:33.600 he returns. He said it won't, but if it does, 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.520 then he needs to add more value to his roster 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.439 spot by becoming that wide receiver threat. And then you 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:41.760 have these younger guys who are coming up who are 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:43.839 gonna try to have to win their role. It's on 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.640 a special team's capacity, knowing they probably won't have a 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:47.800 real shot at wide receiver. 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:48.120 Four. 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.880 You talked about Antonio Callaway, speedy veteran former Cleveland Brown. 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.040 He was signed to the practice squad. Hadn't seen him 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:55.959 since he was signed to the practice squad. What does 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.319 his speed bring to the table this offseason and going 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.840 into the season. I say all of that to say yes, 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.000 the answer is yes. Each one of these guys in 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.440 for their respective reasons, has to step up and make 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:07.720 their name for them sales right now. 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:10.240 I think Turpin has the advantage just because he doesn't 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.000 have the pressure that the other guys in that room have. 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:13.760 And when you can go out there, hey, I got 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:15.480 nothing to lose. I'm still gonna be a Pro Bowl 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:17.559 kick returner over here. You know, maybe you play with 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:19.200 a little bit more confidence in that way. 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.360 But is that the case though, because Deuce Vaughan needs 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:24.040 a spot on the roster too, or at least he's 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.760 fighting for a spot on the roster, And if he's 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:29.079 going to do so, wouldn't it be a return possibility 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:32.400 there too, wouldn't he have returnability and he would probably 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.400 fill the same role that Turpin would. I'm a special 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:35.920 team stamp. 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.040 I like that point, But I really think duce Von 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:40.920 is just insurance in the return game at this point. Turpin, 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:42.520 he's got his name on the wall. I know he 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:44.640 mentioned it a couple of times. He's going to be 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.199 that return guy. As far as the other guys in 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:48.640 the room, though, they have a lot more to prove, 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:50.880 you know, they're fighting for that roster spot. Turpin's already 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:54.120 got one. He's chilling, he's sitting back looking good. I've 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:55.920 mentioned it a couple of times too. Go back and 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:59.360 look at Turpin's TCU tape because his offense game what 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.120 he was able to do do there, how he was 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.240 able to spread that offense out, line up out, why 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.280 come in for jet sweeps, line up in the backfield, 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:07.600 be able to take handoffs right up the middle. I mean, 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:10.240 he's got that versatility to where he can add an 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.320 extra layer to the offense if the Cowboys want him 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:12.520 to do that. 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:14.960 Is that out on the coaching staff from last year 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:19.319 and not getting him involved the right way or is 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.640 that just another element that needs to be opened up 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.440 by this year's coaching staff, because I mean, I wrote 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:28.000 an article last week about the new language, but it's 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:28.800 not new language. 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:30.520 It's Dax language. It's what they keep. 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.960 Talking about with Mike McCarthy, Brian Schottenheimer and Dak Prescott. 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:39.560 Throwing the Cavante Turpin wrench into things. Can open up 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:41.600 your offense, can open up the screen game, which has 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.800 been dormant. He could open up the behind the line 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:47.360 of scrimmage. That opens up the vertical game. 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:49.719 Which is for the most part, been dormant, At least 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:51.480 toward the back half of last year. It was very dormant. 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:55.719 They didn't have a vertical game. Can they unlock that? Though? 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:57.800 Like that's my thing. It goes back to what you 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.520 were talking about with Simmy Fojoko and in practice. But 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:04.320 I mean, I feel like I'm Alan Iverson. We're talking 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.320 about practice. Like we're talking about practice here. You gotta 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.840 show out in pads, Simmi Fojoko looks great in training camp, 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.120 but then you put the pads on and things don't 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.199 work out preseason even he's got to show out in 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.120 the preseason if he has any chance. 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.040 Of going into the regular season and having an impact. 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:20.680 Yeah, when it comes to these guys and you guys 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.440 specifically about Cavante Turpin, obviously he's locked. 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:24.760 Urp is locked, right. 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.960 He earned that respect last year in terms of his 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.560 ability to play receiver again, go back and watch his film. 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:32.120 I don't think as a matter of can he. I 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:33.840 think it's just a matter of last year they asked 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:35.760 him to do what he does best, and that's return 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:36.120 the ball. 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:37.040 They didn't ask. 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:38.920 Anything more of him and didn't want to risk and 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:40.920 didn't want to risk it, right, So why ask somebody 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:43.280 to do something outside of themselves that might distract them 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:45.000 from the one thing that he does amazingly great. 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:47.840 It was the kiss technique, right, keep it right. 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.320 So that was last year. There's a whole different year now. 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.560 So now you look at it from the receiver standpoint, 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.800 take the return element out of it. Positions one through. 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:57.480 Four are locked. 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.840 They're locked, right, I mean all four for the top 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:02.920 four spots are locked when you put turping into the mix. 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:07.920 Okay, so now you talk about one, maybe two, maybe 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.160 two because it depends on how they use turping, Well, 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:11.120 it depends on how they will. 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.440 It depends on the tight end position. From my perspectively, 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:16.400 I see them carrying. I see them carrying four tight 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.720 ends with this new offense that that that coach is 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:21.760 bringing in. So I see them carrying four tight ends. 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:23.160 If you got four tight ends, there's no way you're 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:26.320 keeping six receivers. So now it's starts becoming a numbers game, 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.080 especially when you throw a quarterback element into it that 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.440 we talked about last week. There's three quarterbacks on a roster, 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.760 so now we start looking at start counting all these 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:35.600 dog on numbers, and then you gotta look at defense. Well, 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:37.680 you know they're not gonna short Dan Quinn on the 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.480 number of guys that he wants. So it really becomes 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:41.120 a numbers game. 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:42.880 And this is when everybody has to start counting their 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.440 reps and start counting their positions in terms of how 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:47.840 many what the depth chart is looking like turpens a lock. 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:49.480 So it comes down to the Jayln Tober and see 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:51.560 me for Hoko, Seemi Foro. Hoko is more proven than 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:52.280 Jaylen Tobert. 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.720 Facts. What's gonna happen this year in camp? Well, we're 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:56.160 gather wait and see for Hooko. 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:58.640 Had barring any injuries last year, he would have been 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:01.920 the last spot right there. Okay, that's the reality going 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:03.880 into it this year. Who do I have more confidence in? 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.840 I have more confidence in? Wow, that is my competence 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:08.440 meter right now. 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:12.040 So it's not because Tolbert hasn't done anything exactly but 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.200 has to prove it wrong. But he has to prove 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:17.920 more this Simmy, does I agree? 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:21.920 All for Hoko has to do is provide consistency that 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:25.520 transfers from the offseason program, in training camp, through the 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.200 preseason and into the regular season. He has shown that 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.560 he can make plays. The question is can you do 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:35.280 it in the regular season. Jalen Tobert, we have seen 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.560 him struggle even in practice at time, So it's not 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.280 unfair to say you are far more confident as far 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:42.960 as a head to head matchup that it's semi for 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:45.520 Hoko right now now? Can Jalen Tobert flip that script 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:48.480 as the next couple of months roll by? Absolutely he could. 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:51.480 Will he will see because again we talk about chemistry. 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.440 Simmy already has chemistry with all three quarterbacks. 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.000 The one thing that I would throw a wrench into 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.120 here is the fact that it is a second round 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.560 pick we're talking about here, and there's a pride factor 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:05.679 there because you've seen it before the twenty nineteen they 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:07.160 took Tristan Hill in the second round. 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.560 They gave him a long time. 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:13.200 They gave him a lengthy amount of time to get 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:15.639 it right and to figure it out, and then what 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:16.000 do they do? 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:17.920 They moved on. But they did it in twenty twenty two. 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:21.000 They didn't do it in twenty nineteen. Twenty twenty. Let's 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:21.440