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Speaker 3: Back here with Isaiah Stanback, Nick Harris, Patrick No c Walker.

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Speaker 3: I'm Kyle Yeoman's fresh off of two weeks vacate, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Energized, I'm ready to roll. Hailey Sutton face.

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Speaker 3: Haley Sutton popped in. She did a great job. She

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Speaker 3: killed it as she always does. She could catch her

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Speaker 3: on Girls Talk Boys Talking a ton of different programming

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Speaker 3: on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and throughout and she continues

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Speaker 3: to kill.

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Speaker 2: It as always, but I'm I'm glad to be back

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Speaker 2: with you. Yeah, let's go snow.

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Speaker 3: Brought back a little bit of snow. Brought back some

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Speaker 3: dubs for the Stars over the Kraken. But I couldn't

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Speaker 3: carry that into Las Vegas. So yeah, that one, that

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Speaker 3: one didn't work out. We're still gonna make you wear

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Speaker 3: a Stars jersey. I hope you know you're not getting

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Speaker 3: out of that. Yeah, the bit, we're gonna let it

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Speaker 3: settle for like a week. We can put that on

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Speaker 3: too if you want. But that's a separate that's a

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Speaker 3: separate deal. The day, Yeah, that's another day. We'll give

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Speaker 3: you a green one.

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Speaker 2: Give you a nice hat. We'll make it work. I'll

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Speaker 2: take that. I'll take my medicine. Yeah right, we lost

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Speaker 2: you guys won then and then lost them. Well you know,

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Speaker 2: it happens. It does it all on our recliners. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now we're all watching the finals together and guess what,

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Speaker 3: we're also watching ot as too as we are close.

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Speaker 3: Now it's officially football season, right, I mean the Rangers

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Speaker 3: are doing their thing. No, Rangers continue to kill.

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Speaker 2: It, but it's football. Come on now, like we're getting

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Speaker 2: into one hundred days till football set to day yea

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Speaker 2: until Thursday night to your points, shake it before you

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Speaker 2: there you go.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome, he it is. It gets me like butterflies,

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Speaker 3: Like it gets me ready. It gives me butterflies. It's

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Speaker 3: the fact they're about to hit June. And you know,

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Speaker 3: when there's June and then there's July, and then there's

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Speaker 3: training camp.

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Speaker 2: Bump bump. We're gonna have plenty to talk about a

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Speaker 2: training camp. You better believe it. It's gonna be great.

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Speaker 2: Wait daily, Uh, it is a busy week at the Star.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot going on.

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Speaker 3: I'm suited up today because I'm helping with a high

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Speaker 3: school diversity coaching so I'm at They brought in a

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Speaker 3: they're going on upstairs.

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Speaker 2: We've got the Rookie Premiere later in the week. You

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Speaker 2: and I'll be a part of that.

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Speaker 3: this Cowboys team. And we got a chance to look

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Speaker 3: at practice last week as well. But let's start with

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Speaker 3: some news and notes because it is a busy week ahead.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot going on media days this week too.

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Speaker 3: I forgot about that even today and tomorrow, oh man.

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Speaker 3: And then more lock and room access on Thursday. OTA

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Speaker 3: Part two practice. Yeah, another practice.

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Speaker 4: Busy weekend, A busy week, I should say, going into

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Speaker 4: the this week for the Cowboys. So first and foremost

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Speaker 4: there are both tracking well as far as no setbacks.

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Speaker 4: Jordan Lewis did not participate in OTA one last week,

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Speaker 4: He's looking quite springy. We keep using that word spring.

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Speaker 4: He has a bounce in his step. It looks like

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, And we keep using the word springy because he

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Speaker 3: Zay, have you ever had a room wide receiver room

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Speaker 2: Two? Does that elevate Michael Gallup as a wide receiver?

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Speaker 2: Have you seen an instance of that in the past? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: That is Michael Gallup's game, because now he has another

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Speaker 2: This is Cooks.

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Speaker 4: He's been been around for a solid minute, right, it

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Speaker 3: I like the way you said step up or step

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's just go down the depth chart.

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Speaker 3: You know, the top three Ceedee Lamb, Brandon Cook's, Michael

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Speaker 3: and it's pretty defined. There After that, it's a jumbled mess.

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Speaker 3: It is a jumbled mess. You got third round pick

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Speaker 2: Not there. Then after that you have a mixture of

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Speaker 2: A free agent. You've got a number of these guys

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Speaker 3: Just for the conversational purposes. Who has a step up

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Speaker 2: Baby bounces.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's the best way to put it. Every one

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Speaker 4: of those guys has to step up. Jalen Tobert. This

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Speaker 4: You talked about Antonio Callaway, speedy veteran former Cleveland Brown.

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Speaker 8: I think Turpin has the advantage just because he doesn't

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Speaker 3: But is that the case though, because Deuce Vaughan needs

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Speaker 8: I like that point, But I really think duce Von

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Speaker 8: you know, they're fighting for that roster spot. Turpin's already

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Speaker 8: look at Turpin's TCU tape because his offense game what

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Speaker 8: he's got that versatility to where he can add an

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Speaker 3: Is that out on the coaching staff from last year

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Speaker 2: It's Dax language. It's what they keep.

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Speaker 3: Talking about with Mike McCarthy, Brian Schottenheimer and Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 3: Throwing the Cavante Turpin wrench into things. Can open up

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Speaker 3: Like that's my thing. It goes back to what you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when it comes to these guys and you guys

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Speaker 2: Urp is locked, right.

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Speaker 4: He earned that respect last year in terms of his

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Speaker 4: I don't think as a matter of can he. I

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Speaker 4: think it's just a matter of last year they asked

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Speaker 2: They didn't ask.

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Speaker 4: didn't want to risk it, right, So why ask somebody

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Speaker 2: It was the kiss technique, right, keep it right.

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Speaker 4: So that was last year. There's a whole different year now.

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Speaker 4: So now you look at it from the receiver standpoint,

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Speaker 2: Four are locked.

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Speaker 3: They're locked, right, I mean all four for the top

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Speaker 4: If you got four tight ends, there's no way you're

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Speaker 3: And this is when everybody has to start counting their

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Speaker 4: So it comes down to the Jayln Tober and see

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Speaker 2: Facts. What's gonna happen this year in camp? Well, we're

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Speaker 4: Had barring any injuries last year, he would have been

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Speaker 4: I have more confidence in? Wow, that is my competence

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Speaker 2: So it's not because Tolbert hasn't done anything exactly but

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Speaker 4: Will he will see because again we talk about chemistry.

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Speaker 4: Simmy already has chemistry with all three quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: The one thing that I would throw a wrench into

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Speaker 3: there because you've seen it before the twenty nineteen they

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Speaker 2: They gave him a long time.

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Speaker 3: They gave him a lengthy amount of time to get

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Speaker 2: They moved on. But they did it in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: They didn't do it in twenty nineteen. Twenty twenty. Let's

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Speaker 4: Tolbert might have a longer excellent except for this Tobart,

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Speaker 4: I think that would apply more to Kelvin Joseph Okay,

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Speaker 2: Tobert is a third round pick. You're right, so that,

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Speaker 2: We got to go back to that.

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Speaker 4: We'll go back to that absolutely. But I love Isaiah's point.

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Speaker 4: But I don't because if you word it that, okay,

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Speaker 4: down to, say roster spots.

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Speaker 2: In terms of spots allocated to a wide receiver. That's it.

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Speaker 4: going to carry three quarterbacks and were going to carry

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Speaker 4: Brown facts.

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Speaker 4: Because neither of neither one of those guys that we're

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Speaker 4: talking about, Semi Fooco nor Jayalen Tober has shown up

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Speaker 4: on special teams. So I don't even think that you

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Speaker 4: have to bang on the table. I think you just

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Speaker 4: sit up there and lay the dog on script out

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Speaker 4: and say who wants to fill this?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 5: You know what?

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Speaker 4: That that puts the the that much more pressure on

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Speaker 4: Simme and Jalen because knowing that you don't have the

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Speaker 4: leg up on special teams, you have to come in

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Speaker 4: and really deliver from a wide receiver standpoint and from

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Speaker 4: Kavante Turpin. And I know it's so easy for everyone

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Speaker 4: to say Turpin versus Deuce. I get it.

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Speaker 2: Too fast quick. Small guys have return ability.

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Speaker 4: The script kind of writes itself, but they do two

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Speaker 4: different things. If you really break down and it's a

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Speaker 4: running back versus a wide receiver. So then the conversation

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Speaker 4: is how many running backs are we carrying versus how

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Speaker 4: many wide receivers are we carrying?

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Speaker 8: Question for you guys take Turpin, Tolbert and Fojoko out

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Speaker 8: of the equation. Do you have a sleeper to make

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Speaker 8: the roster as a wide receiver?

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Speaker 2: I know I do. I don't actually I say it.

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Speaker 2: I have two with your chest.

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Speaker 10: I have.

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Speaker 4: One is based off of what he did in year one.

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Speaker 2: That was mine. It's Dennis Houston. It didn't translate.

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Speaker 4: We keep talking about how these guys have to make

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Speaker 4: it translate over into.

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Speaker 2: The d He looked really good the other he did

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Speaker 2: and no pads on. It's very early, but I remember

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Speaker 2: you've also seen him again. You've seen him. He's made

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Speaker 2: play in.

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Speaker 4: Last July, in last August.

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Speaker 2: He's he was a front runner to kind of make

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Speaker 2: the roster, but then things tapered off. And why did

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Speaker 2: they tape off? Who was not throwing?

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Speaker 4: I was going to say, yeah, Dak number four his

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Speaker 4: his his we talked about this ad nauseum instant chemistry

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Speaker 4: with that.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Once Dak was not available, Dennis Houston, a different guy

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Speaker 4: became vapor Vapor. But answer your question, I think that

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Speaker 4: Dallas will add a receiver by the time camp hits.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't be surprised either, just to add him.

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Speaker 4: Can I can I get to you?

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Speaker 9: I haven't I have?

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Speaker 4: Can I can I get a little to what?

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Speaker 2: I would love that you're saying? T why I'm hearing

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Speaker 2: d hot money first, this money versus that I just

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Speaker 2: know it's out there. Everybody about was.

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Speaker 4: Far less expensive, already has chemistry with Dak, already has

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Speaker 4: chemistry with the locker room.

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Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, yeah, I was in.

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Speaker 4: And I love and I love Nook. I've always been

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Speaker 4: high on Nook. DeAndre Hopkins absolutely, but I feel like

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Speaker 4: his leverage using the Cowboys is leveraging for those that

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Speaker 4: are saying, oh well, another instance of a player using

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Speaker 4: the Cowboys as leverage and then they get released and

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Speaker 4: all the Cowboys fans are like, oh well, this just

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Speaker 4: means he's gonna take it.

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Speaker 2: He's coming. No, No, he's not. What are your what's

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Speaker 2: your probability that Dallas brings a free agent in. By

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Speaker 2: the time camp.

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Speaker 6: Hits, I would say sixty five percent.

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Speaker 2: Wow, okay, pretty good.

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Speaker 4: I'd go high. I go seventy five.

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Speaker 3: I'd probably say like sixty seventy Right in there, I'm

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Speaker 3: at seventy five point three.

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Speaker 2: I like we go with getting close to a radio.

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Speaker 3: You asked the question, I'm going to turn around back

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Speaker 3: on you before we go to break. By the way,

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Speaker 3: give us a call eight eight eight eight five five

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Speaker 3: two two ninety seven. We're taking your calls in the

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Speaker 3: second break. Uh, who is your sleeper?

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Speaker 6: I would say Jalen Moreno cropper.

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Speaker 9: That was my second.

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Speaker 2: That was my second.

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Speaker 8: One thing always stands out to me about him, and

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Speaker 8: I I know it was in the Mountain West, which

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Speaker 8: you know, take that for what you will. But production

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Speaker 8: eighty plus receptions in each of his last two seasons.

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Speaker 6: He's got the speed, he's got the route tree.

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Speaker 8: He was someone I loved during the draft process, and

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Speaker 8: the fact they were able to pick him up as

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Speaker 8: an undrafted free agent.

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Speaker 6: I think it is just awesome.

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Speaker 2: I had a fit round grade on him.

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Speaker 4: It makes a waves for sure.

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Speaker 3: I like wa and hey, we've already seen a late

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Speaker 3: round Day three pickup from Fresno State make a bit

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Speaker 3: of an.

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Speaker 2: Impact on DA. I mean, it's happened now.

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Speaker 3: He was a draft pick, he wasn't an undrafted free agent.

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Speaker 3: We're talking of course about Dron Blans too, and he

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Speaker 3: was on defense. But I do I like Jalen Moreno cropper.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't as impressed and OTA one, but again it's

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Speaker 3: OTA one. Everybody we were in May will be okay,

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Speaker 3: Like everybody's gonna have a chance to show out a

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Speaker 3: training camp. I remember last year we were talking about TJ.

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Speaker 3: Vasher and Dennis Houston. It felt like every day because

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Speaker 3: Vasher was making highlight reel plays and then Dennis Houston

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Speaker 3: was making the regular plays and looking better and growing

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Speaker 3: and getting better with Dak Prescott and the chemistry there

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Speaker 3: and real.

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Speaker 4: Quick talk about I'm blaming really quickly. He was taking

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Speaker 4: some rips on the outside. Yeah, in OTA one, so

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Speaker 4: Cowboys are kind of moving him around seeing what he

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Speaker 4: can do with you know, Jordan Lewis's return looming, so

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Speaker 4: things are going to get real fun, real fun.

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Speaker 3: Final thing on on OTA one before we go to

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Speaker 3: break Stefan Gilmour, Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that you glides oh to the football. He

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Speaker 2: was running around. He's a natural running around.

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Speaker 4: Look for the one who says Gilmore is watched is crazy.

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Speaker 2: He looks Strika, he looks looks pretty darn good. Early on.

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Speaker 13: Fine? How are you guys doing well?

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Speaker 1: Zo?

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Speaker 13: Hey, you've mentioned Steven Gilmore and I did some tape

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Speaker 13: Steady and he seems to be the exact same player

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Speaker 13: as Diggs reads routs well, wants to jump, needs pressure

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Speaker 5: So how is that going to play out?

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Speaker 3: No, that's a really guy, that's a great question, Thank

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Speaker 3: you very much, Jim. And he's he's correct in the

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Speaker 2: Their strength is coverage.

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Speaker 3: Their strength is making a play on the football, and

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Speaker 3: their strength is not coming up and making a tackle

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Speaker 3: and we saw that. I mean, we talked about it

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Speaker 3: at nauseum. You talked about it at nauseum last year,

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Speaker 3: Trayvon Diggs, what was the one thing we wanted him

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Speaker 3: to do? Improve TAKEO come up and make a play,

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Speaker 3: come up and make a tackle, specifically, be physical. Stefan

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Speaker 3: Gilmour is more physical than Trayvon Digs just based off

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Speaker 3: of the film that we've seen.

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Speaker 2: But is he a completely different player or the he

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Speaker 2: said he was the same player.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I agree. I don't think he

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Speaker 2: takes as many risks as Trayvon does.

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Speaker 4: Patrick, what do you say, Well, if you compare him

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Speaker 4: to twenty twenty one Trevon Diggs, then you could say, well,

665
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Speaker 4: I don't see that he takes as many risks. But

666
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Speaker 4: last year at Trevon Diggs scaled back the amount of

667
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Speaker 4: times that he chose to take that risk because he

668
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 4: was more so understanding that the team needs him more

669
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Speaker 4: to be that coverage guy versus simply being the ballhawk.

670
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Speaker 4: He was still a ballhawk, and he had two or

671
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Speaker 4: three dropped interceptions that would have had him right there

672
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Speaker 4: with Deron Bland as far as leading the team so

673
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Speaker 4: his ballhawk ability, ballhawk and ability is still there. Stefan Gilmore,

674
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Speaker 4: his ballhawk and ability is still there. I will say

675
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Speaker 4: now comparing the twenty twenty two version of Trevon Diggs

676
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Speaker 4: to twenty twenty three Gilmore not entirely different. You're not

677
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 4: going to get the best tacklers from either one of

678
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Speaker 4: those guys. But to your point, Jim, they both thrive

679
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Speaker 4: when they have an elite pass rush in front of them.

680
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Speaker 4: Good news, they have an elite pass rush in front

681
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Speaker 4: of them here in Dallas, so that's going to work

682
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Speaker 4: in their favor. How do you mask some of those

683
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 4: situations where Higgs or Gilmore may not come up and tackle?

684
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Speaker 4: How you want your safety unit, your safe unit and

685
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Speaker 4: your linebackers. That's how you mask it. Your linebackers. Du

686
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Speaker 4: Mont Clark playing sideline, the sideline lve We'll see what

687
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Speaker 4: demarve On Overshown can bring to the table. Those kind

688
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 4: of sideline the sideline linebackers help protect you. Be it

689
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 4: screen screen passes from the opposing offense, and you got

690
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Speaker 4: to crash down and cover that. It allows your cornerbacks

691
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Speaker 4: to be able to play more freely as far as

692
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Speaker 4: in coverage. So that's answer your question. From my standpoint,

693
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Speaker 4: that's how you cover athletic linebackers.

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Speaker 2: They have it.

695
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 4: Elite pass rush to shorten and shrink those windows. You

696
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Speaker 4: have it, and then you have a safety unit. Three

697
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 4: headed monster jay Ron kurtzt Donovan Wilson, elite hooker. They

698
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 4: kind of know how to play football too.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and at least into my answer, if you have

700
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Speaker 8: two aggressive boundary guys, then you have to have nice

701
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Speaker 8: weapons around them that are balanced, and Jim, we have that.

702
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Speaker 8: So it was a great question, Jim. But let's say

703
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Speaker 8: at the worst case that they don't have those weapons

704
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 8: around them. It's two Treyvon Diggs a bad thing. No,

705
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Speaker 8: I don't think it's a terrible thing. It's not ideal

706
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Speaker 8: maybe in some instances, but looking at Stefan Gilmore's career,

707
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Speaker 8: you know, as as his career has gone on, he's

708
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Speaker 8: slowly started to take a little bit of aggression out

709
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Speaker 8: every season, which is it's a good thing and a

710
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Speaker 8: bad thing in some ways. And maybe that's a different conversation,

711
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Speaker 8: but what he's been able to take away is those

712
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 8: jumping those routes and you know, letting someone take take

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Speaker 8: it to the crib. Seventy five yards. And we saw

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Speaker 8: it last year with Trayvon against Cooper Cup. When he

715
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Speaker 8: took that, it was like right over the middle route.

716
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Speaker 8: He just took it seventy five yards to the crib

717
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Speaker 8: and I was like, man, that was that was a

718
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 8: second year Trayvon Diggs right there. So I don't think

719
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Speaker 8: we'll be seeing a lot of that next season from

720
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Speaker 8: either of the boundary guys. But even if that's a

721
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Speaker 8: lot of turnovers and dan Quinn wants to turn the ball.

722
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Speaker 3: Over, yeah, and here's the thing, and I'll pass this

723
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Speaker 3: to Isaiah, but from twenty twenty one, Trayvon Diggs the

724
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Speaker 3: eleven interceptions. Yes, an incredible season out there, but on film,

725
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Speaker 3: what was Trayvon Diggs his better year twenty one or.

726
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Speaker 2: Twenty two, twenty two? Yeah?

727
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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, agree, So he could still take a step

728
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Speaker 3: up in that regard and continue to force Turnoversah, but

729
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Speaker 3: now you have the second guy to play off of,

730
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Speaker 3: like Nick is talking about, and I think it does

731
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Speaker 3: it opens Trayvon Digs up to be able to take

732
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Speaker 3: that guy because all of a sudden, yes, the number

733
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Speaker 3: one guy is probably still going to be covered by

734
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Speaker 3: Trayvon Diggs.

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Speaker 2: But he's not going to travel either way. So either

736
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Speaker 2: your one or your.

737
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Speaker 3: Two wide receiver is going to be covered by either

738
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Speaker 3: Trayvon Diggs or Stefan Gilmore.

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Speaker 4: Clem, Yeah, I mean, first of all, coverage wise, you know,

740
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Speaker 4: Trayvon istefinding Gilmore. Both of those guys are now patient.

741
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 4: Gilmore is more patient than Trayvon because he's seen more

742
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 4: and he's more confident in his ability to actual.

743
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Speaker 3: Passer rating allowed last year, Gilmore eighty three, just under

744
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 3: eighty three and Trayvon Diggs.

745
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: Was just under ninety nine.

746
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Speaker 3: So it is there's a little bit of a difference.

747
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: Gilmore has been better coverage wise.

748
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Speaker 4: But you look at their position, coach, and then you

749
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Speaker 4: look at the fact that Gilmore is bringing that wisdom.

750
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Speaker 4: You know Trayvon's going to continue to improve in that regard.

751
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Speaker 4: When it comes down to the tackling aspect, you are

752
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Speaker 4: not wrong about last year and his unwillingness, thank you,

753
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Speaker 4: to tackle. It's not a stainability. It was an unwillingness

754
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 4: all the ability a couple of times.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So it's not it's not a matter of can

756
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Speaker 2: he tackle or is he a good tackler, It's just

757
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: he just didn't want to tackle.

758
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Speaker 4: So when you talk about that aspect of things, you

759
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Speaker 4: address that by saying, we need you to make a

760
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Speaker 4: certain effort to try to get some guys down to

761
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Speaker 4: the ground, and at the very minimum, we need you

762
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Speaker 4: to come up and force them into your help.

763
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Speaker 2: So I need you as a defensive back. Once you

764
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Speaker 2: see a.

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Speaker 4: Run thread, once you see a screen thread or whatever

766
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Speaker 4: it may be that's underneath your coverage, Okay, you make

767
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 4: the decision to come downhill, and I need you to

768
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 4: shoot the outside hip. What a shooting the outside hip

769
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Speaker 4: does what It takes away their ability to get to

770
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Speaker 4: the sideline. And by taking away their ability to go

771
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Speaker 4: to the sideline, they have to then go where inside.

772
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Speaker 4: And when you're going inside, you're going to your flowing

773
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Speaker 4: second level, your flowing defensive line.

774
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Speaker 2: All those guys that are coming out to that coverage.

775
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Speaker 3: So at the very least, I just need you to

776
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Speaker 3: come down here and go dog on roman reigns at

777
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Speaker 3: their outside laid right and send them back inside to

778
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Speaker 3: your help. Even just just throwing your body out there

779
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 3: like that will sure up a lot of the tackling

780
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 3: issues that we have last year.

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Speaker 6: It just protect us acknowledge helm.

782
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Speaker 3: Now get to the outside, put a bot in the

783
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Speaker 3: way and force him back to your help side.

784
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 4: That has the ability. We've seen him on a couple

785
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 4: of occasions last year, key situations, crashed down on the

786
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 4: running back and keep that running back from getting that

787
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 4: key first down that the Cowboys might have lost the

788
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 4: game if that was a conversion, so we've seen it.

789
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 4: Does he have some Dion in his game? Yeah, he does.

790
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 4: Dion made a lot of business decisions when.

791
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Speaker 2: It came to tackle.

792
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 4: He ended up with a pretty okay resume as far

793
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 4: as NFL. So Trevon Diggs, he'll figure it out. But again,

794
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 4: it's just making sure that when it comes time to

795
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 4: crash down, just do it.

796
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Speaker 2: Just do it. Yeah.

797
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Speaker 8: But one thing that Trayvon Diggs has that Dion didn't

798
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 8: have is that length. And when you have like that,

799
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Speaker 8: you have to be able to tackle.

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Speaker 6: I don't care who you are.

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Speaker 2: My favorite quote, Okay today is the next set, Jim, Jim.

802
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: We have that, Jim. We've got that all right. Mike

803
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: and Houston, you're on talking Cowboys. What's going on? Mike?

804
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't mean to be like, you know, the league,

805
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 5: but I just want to bring up this, Uh, this

806
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 5: observation seems like with Zeke. Uh, you know, with the

807
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 5: Cowboys moving on from Zeke, and you know, it brings

808
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 5: up a gap, you know, with short yarded situation and

809
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 5: of course past blocking. And my question is, how do

810
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 5: you guys think that that'll you know, where the Cowboys

811
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 5: go into training camp trying to figure out what to

812
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 5: do to fill that void or is it crazy to

813
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 5: think that they go back to the.

814
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Speaker 2: Table with Zeke. Okay, great question, Mike, I really appreciated.

815
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Speaker 3: And yes, Ezekiel Elliott is still available for those that

816
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 3: may not be keeping up with it.

817
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: He's still a free agent.

818
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 14: Uh.

819
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Speaker 3: Patrick, you wrote an article on Dallas Cowboys dot com now,

820
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 3: a really good article.

821
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Speaker 2: I read it this morning that uh, thank you.

822
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was about McCarthy talking about the running back situation.

823
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: Is not about quote unquote replacing Zeke. But that's what

824
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: Mike is talking about.

825
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 3: Here, replacing Zeke, possibly with Zeke, but with somebody else

826
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Speaker 3: where do you go from him?

827
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Speaker 4: So, in McCarthy's right, not about replacing Zeke as much

828
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Speaker 4: as it is unleashing these young guys Tony Pollard and

829
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Speaker 4: now Duce Vaughn. And but then you circle back, and

830
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 4: you say, well, production still has to be replaced if

831
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 4: at all possible, particularly like he's saying, in the short

832
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 4: yardage and in the red zone. That's what they brought

833
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 4: Ronald Jones in for. They brought Ronald Jones in to

834
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Speaker 4: be that short yardage back, that physical guy who can

835
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 4: compliment Tony Pollard in that capacity. Now, as far as

836
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 4: the roster numbers go, how does that work out? When

837
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 4: you talk about I'm confident duce Von is going to

838
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 4: make the roster. Uh and then Hunter looky lip lip key,

839
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Speaker 4: he has a great shot at making the roster. Full back, slash,

840
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Speaker 4: running back, slash, slot, receiver, h slash, wherever you want.

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Speaker 2: He might be a podcast host by the end of

842
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Speaker 2: the year.

843
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 4: If not for Cordell Stewart, we'd be calling him slash.

844
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 4: But flashback. That showed my age there, But I like that. Yeah,

845
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 4: you gotta you have to replace the production, and I

846
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 4: think Ronald Jones has the best shot at doing that.

847
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 4: But that doesn't necessarily mean his spot is guaranteed, because

848
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 4: if for whatever reason, the Cowboys don't like what they

849
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 4: see over the next couple of months from Ronald Jones,

850
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 4: I don't think you then get that from duce Vaughan.

851
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 4: Then you have to turn and you look at a

852
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 4: guy like Malik Davis and you say, you know what,

853
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 4: you aren't necessarily built like Zeke, but you're built closer

854
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 4: to him than Tony Pollard was, or definitely than duce

855
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 4: Vaughan is. So that brings back the question mark what

856
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 4: they circle back to Ezekiel Elliott. Jerry Jones has been

857
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 4: pounding the table about this. The door isn't closed until

858
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 4: Zeke signs somewhere else. But putting myself in Ezekiel Elliott

859
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 4: shoes and this is just me speaking, channeling my Ezekiel Elliott.

860
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 4: I'm not speaking for him, but if I'm Zeke, the

861
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 4: answer is no.

862
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 2: Number. The answer is no. Not only is the number going,

863
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: and that could be easily reversed.

864
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 4: Okay, give me my number back. But from an Ezekiel

865
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 4: Elliot standpoint and the competitor in him, he should be

866
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 4: wanting to prove people wrong, and that's not going to

867
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 4: happen by returning to this team. He's going to have

868
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 4: to go to another team. Show he still has the punch,

869
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 4: still has the juice, still has the speed, and that

870
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 4: he can probably parlay into maybe even if not one

871
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 4: more big contract, at least a mid level contract to

872
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 4: potentially end his NFL career if he comes back to

873
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 4: the Cowboys. If I'm him, I feel like that's tail

874
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 4: tucked between your legs, which is like, oh, well, I

875
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 4: couldn't find another. Even if that's not true, it's the

876
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 4: optics of the situation. So the Cowboys are not out

877
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 4: on potentially bringing back Ezekiel Elliot if it comes to that.

878
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 4: But I'm more so of the mindset of I think

879
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 4: Ezekiel Elliott is kind of playing it out for training

880
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 4: camp and injury is going to happen, and he's going

881
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 4: to land with the team and there you go. He's

882
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 4: now a mercenary. He's now a mercenary.

883
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

884
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 8: If we're talking percentages, I give it like fifteen to

885
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 8: twenty percent that he would be back in the Dallas

886
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 8: Cowboys uniform by training camp.

887
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 6: Wow, That's how I see it.

888
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 8: But talking about short yarded situations, I'm confident in Tony

889
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 8: Pollard to be able to be in those situations.

890
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 6: He compliments to the offense.

891
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 8: It's similar to what Zeke brought with his physicality and aggression,

892
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 8: just being able to plow the line. Tony Tony Pollard

893
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 8: has that finesse, he can get in, he can find

894
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 8: the hole and he can get that yard. I'm fully

895
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 8: confident in that pass blocking. That's the question I have.

896
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 8: Can Ronald Jones do that? And if he does it

897
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 8: to an elite level, that's far superior to the other

898
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 8: running backs on the roster, and that immediately gives away

899
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 8: what you're doing pre snaps, So you know, I'm I'm

900
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 8: curious to see how they they juggle the past pass

901
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 8: blocking situation. I think that's going to be more interesting,

902
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 8: But I'm not worried about.

903
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 4: You probably get that one or two yards. Get your

904
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 4: left guard situation.

905
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: Figure We got that for the third segment. That for

906
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: the third segment. It's coming, Gaal, It's coming. What do

907
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: you think, Isaiah?

908
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 4: Now I'm along the lines with Nick. Everybody can talk

909
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 4: about short yardage all day long. I'm unconcerned and unbothered

910
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 4: with short yardage. I don't know the last time I

911
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 4: saw running back outside of Henry just power plowing over

912
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 4: anybody that comes in their way. So short yardage comes

913
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 4: down to the willingness from the running back position to

914
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 4: come downhill at one hundred percent speed, and then your

915
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 4: office in line to be able to move some people

916
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 4: off the ball. So that's why I was on board

917
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 4: with getting a high draft pick fourth, the left guard

918
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 4: that we'll talk about, because no matter who you face

919
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 4: on that front line, it doesn't matter who's behind you,

920
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 4: they're just gonna come downhill speed and they'll get that yard.

921
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: I am more concerned with the pass blocking.

922
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 4: Nobody's talking about the past blocking void that is now

923
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 4: in the backfield that Ezekiel Elliott has has left.

924
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: That's the thing you're missing the most. That's the thing

925
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 2: you're going to miss that.

926
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, So Cowboy's Nation, if you guys need to go

927
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 4: back and watch film, go back and watch film. There

928
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 4: is nobody on last year's roster or on this roster

929
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 4: that I currently see that has the capabilities and understanding

930
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 4: of the offense and the weaknesses of this offense all right,

931
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 4: in terms of being able to pick up and protect

932
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott from falling on the ground, knowing Dak's tendencies

933
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 4: without even seeing him. You came into the league with

934
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott, you were his bestie this whole time. You

935
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 4: know his tendencies. You know if you go to block here,

936
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 4: He'll probably be leaning this way or that way. It's

937
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 4: just telepathy at that point.

938
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 8: So yeah, and I think it makes it that more

939
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 8: imperative that Ronald Jones becomes a threat and a rushing threat.

940
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 8: And he's still young, he's twenty five. He's got two

941
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 8: rings that must be nice. He's got a big career

942
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 8: in front of him. So I mean, if he can

943
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 8: show some sort of rushing ability, that immediately takes away

944
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 8: the problem you.

945
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 3: Have that you guys just gave me a homework assignment

946
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 3: this week, and I'm going to push it back to

947
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 3: you guys. But Ronald Jones pass blocking film, I haven't

948
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 3: watched it yet. I just watched him as a runner,

949
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: but I'm going to go back and watch him as

950
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 3: a pass blocker. I don't think anybody could be. It

951
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 3: might be one of the top, if not the top,

952
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 3: pass blocking running back.

953
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: To get Murrays, Jones drew out of retirement.

954
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: Out of retirement, you got to pull him off the

955
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 3: studio set exactly, all right, Bob in Nashville, you are

956
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 3: on Talking Cowboys. Welcome back to the show. How's it going.

957
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: Great? What's on your mind? Hey?

958
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 7: Long time no talk? I Aiah mentioned that you know,

959
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 7: he thinks Dallas is going to keep four tight ends.

960
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 7: I understand their arrestion now, but I'd rather keep three

961
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 7: because I think if you keep that fullback, he can

962
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 7: kind of do some of the similar stuff that maybe

963
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 7: the fourth tight end would do. But I really want

964
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 7: to see Turpin on an offense. I really think he

965
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 7: can have that spark, that explosiveness that we were lacking,

966
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 7: especially running a lot of crossing routes. I just think

967
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 7: he provides that element that none of the other two

968
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 7: receivers Tolbert and Bojoko does So if he asked for

969
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 7: my advice, which I'm sure they wouldn't, I'd say three

970
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 7: tight ends, and I think we need to get Turpin

971
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 7: more involved. Just thought i'd throw that out there.

972
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 6: Hey, I would listen to your advice.

973
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: That that great question, by the way, Bob, and great advice.

974
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 3: But you look at now that the battle shifts from

975
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 3: Sean McEwan versus Hunter Lipkey.

976
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 2: All right, I mean that's kind of your fourth battle

977
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: right there.

978
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 3: He's absolutely correct. That's what it's going to come down to.

979
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: It's really going to the determining factor for whether or

980
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 3: not this offense keeps four offensive tight ends is going

981
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 3: to be whether a hunter and liftky can figure it

982
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: out and can actually have an impact, And then you

983
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 3: have to go to the conversation, how many times are

984
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 3: going to line up in an eye or a weak

985
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 3: or strong set?

986
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 2: What percentage of our offense is going to be based

987
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 2: upon that. You're gonna use.

988
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 3: Two tight ends, quiet u two tight ends a lot,

989
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 3: so you might want to four of those guys, I'm saying.

990
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 4: So I'm saying, if you're not lining up thirty percent

991
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 4: at a time in an eye, a stronger a week

992
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 4: set with a two back set, then what's the point

993
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 4: of carrying a fullback unless this dude is an absolute

994
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 4: mad man on special teams as well. So it is

995
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 4: going to come down to how effective liftkey is and

996
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 4: if how what percentage of your offense is going to

997
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 4: be dictated on two back sets. There's an argument to

998
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 4: be made either way, and I love the argument Bob

999
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 4: made and it just makes sense. But it also makes

1000
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 4: sense to carry four for the reasons that we just

1001
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 4: talked about, the reasons Isaiah just laid out. Not to

1002
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 4: mention the injury front. Injuries happen, and you hope none

1003
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 4: of these guys schoonmaker Ferguson Hindershot miss a single game

1004
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 4: this season, but seventeen games plus the playoffs, what are

1005
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 4: the odds that will happen. The odds are somebody's going

1006
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 4: to miss a game or two with this schedule. Yeah,

1007
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 4: with this schedule, know lesses. So you want Seth McEwan

1008
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 4: and there, because then you also the Cowboys likely hope

1009
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 4: they can keep a guy like Seth Green on the

1010
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 4: practice squad because then that's your plus one, so your

1011
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 4: four plus one. I think that's the better way to

1012
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 4: go about it. But again, Bob makes a great point.

1013
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 4: It's just a matter of at the end of the day,

1014
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 4: when Schottenheimer is sitting there with Mike McCarthy and the

1015
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 4: rest of the offensive staff and they say, hey, are

1016
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 4: we how often are we going to put Hunter on

1017
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 4: the field, Not just as a flex guy because you

1018
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 4: can move him out to slot every once in a

1019
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 4: while to kind of throw teams off base, but as

1020
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 4: far as strictly lining him up and saying we want

1021
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 4: you to be the full back in this particular play

1022
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 4: how many of those players are in the playbook. If

1023
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 4: it's minimal, you got to go with the four. If

1024
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 4: he's a if he's a madman on special teams, great

1025
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 4: percentage that he's on his roster sign sure.

1026
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we just talked about it. Great kind up

1027
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: against it.

1028
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 4: Numbers wise, and as far as talent wise, trying to

1029
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,479
Speaker 4: figure out who's going to step Hill before Getford and Brown,

1030
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 4: he's not.

1031
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: He's not wrong in his thinking right now. No, it's

1032
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: a great idea, and again argument can be made in

1033
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 2: both capacity. Yeah, he wants to see Turping on offense too.

1034
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: I think we all do. I think we all want

1035
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: to see that impact start to blast a little bit.

1036
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 4: Only difference is because and we talked about this, and

1037
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 4: we talked about Semi versus Jalen, but he mentioned Simmy

1038
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 4: versus Turping. So let's quickly have that conversation. You lose

1039
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 4: and gain something with either. Turpin is faster, but Simmy's

1040
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 4: not slow. Semi is bigger and more physical, but Turpin

1041
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 4: is not lacking any toughness. So you have to kind

1042
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 4: of determine. You got to pick your spots with either

1043
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 4: one of those. And I think that it would be

1044
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 4: more practical to keep a big bodied, speedy guy like

1045
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 4: Simmy over a guy like Turpin. If you're talking about

1046
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 4: that debate. If that's the debate, I'm going semi over time.

1047
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 4: Does that mean I don't want to see Turping get plays? No,

1048
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 4: I'm on record. I want to see him make plays,

1049
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,479
Speaker 4: utilize them, utilize them, utilize him as a wide receiver.

1050
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 4: That said, as far as Bob's argument is concerned, Turpin

1051
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 4: versus Simmy, you're going to get more production out of

1052
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 4: Semi thing you would out of Turpin.

1053
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 8: Turpin has that proven confidence and I just I when

1054
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 8: it comes to a position battle, I'm always looking at

1055
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 8: the production and the confidence, and that's that's what I'm

1056
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 8: looking at for Turpin.

1057
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 2: Got it?

1058
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's something that everybody is looking for

1059
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 3: and trying to trying to see out of Turpin heading

1060
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 3: into this twenty twenty three season.

1061
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break. When we come back.

1062
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 3: The offensive line rotation was what on the first day

1063
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 3: off of OTA's the offensive line was what.

1064
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that.

1065
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,920
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1067
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1068
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1069
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1070
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Speaker 3: The man, the Man, the myth, the legends, mister Nate Newton, Nate, Uh,

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Speaker 3: you just all I feel like you just hear offensive line.

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Speaker 2: And he just appears Peter Tingles boom. Because we we

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Speaker 2: don't text you.

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Speaker 3: I mean we talked to you all the time, but

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Speaker 3: like we don't text you and say, hey, we're talking

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Speaker 3: offensive line.

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Speaker 2: We need your insight.

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Speaker 3: But we just we just mentioned it and Nick wrote

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Speaker 3: an article online about the offensive line rotation.

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Speaker 2: But what did you see in the first first O

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Speaker 2: t A you got you got a chance to watch

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Speaker 2: a little bit of it.

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Speaker 9: Not much.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 9: What I was more interested is in the new coaches

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00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 9: and their techniques and what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: It's one guy.

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Speaker 9: I gotta learn his name. He said left. He's starting

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00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 9: left guard doing the first OT as this phoney. I

1142
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 9: gotta learn his name and uh and I'm hoping that he,

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00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 9: uh he fills in. I hope that he is the guy.

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00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 9: I don't want to play musical chairs with offensive line.

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00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 9: We got still that right tackle when he gets healthy.

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00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 9: We got Martin at right guard, all everything. We got

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00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 9: uh Fotis at the center, and I'm hoping that this

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00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 9: new kid takes.

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Speaker 2: That place and they will have that.

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Speaker 9: Our left tackle will have Tyler Smith, and then the

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Speaker 9: other guy will be our rotation guy.

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Speaker 2: They're great, all pro Tyron Tyron, And that is how

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00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: we have to look at that.

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Speaker 9: Because eventually it's gonna get to that because when Tyron

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00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 9: have that little two or three game absence, that is

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Speaker 9: our guy. So that's how I'm gonna look at this

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00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 9: starting five. Now, I know Tyron is as long as

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00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 9: he's healthy, he's gonna be the left tackle.

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Speaker 2: But and you no, no, no right tack Okay, no Tyler.

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Speaker 9: If everything goes right, Tyrone would be the left tackle.

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00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 9: Tyler would be the left guard. And that's how I

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00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 9: would do it. And that's the only way I'm gonna

1163
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 9: look at it, because that's only if you want your

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00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 9: best five. That would be your best five when everything

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Speaker 9: is healthy. Now your second five is the new kid. Yes,

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Speaker 9: and that's that's your second five. Now he's a semi now, yeah,

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00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 9: what I mean is new kid up front. I'm talking

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Speaker 9: about seven eight games in you know, will he be

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Speaker 9: that guy. I think he will be that guy if

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Speaker 9: give him a chance to play and to develop. Now,

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Speaker 9: I don't know about Ball or the guy they had

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00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 9: last year with the hurt shoulder with Alaskaska. I don't

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Speaker 9: know about all of them.

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Speaker 2: But what you have to do.

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Speaker 9: With them putting in the new language with this offense

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Speaker 9: with Mike McCarthy is you can't have a lot of

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Speaker 9: new guys up front. You got to get five or

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Speaker 9: six guys, maybe seven guys to work together in unison

1179
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 9: because you got to understand every time I say this word,

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Speaker 9: whatever this word may be, and I got a new

1181
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 9: left tackle and he don't understand what men, you just

1182
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 9: worked over the whole summer.

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00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: So when when you had this mistake, that pays for it.

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Speaker 9: Remember with a bad thumb he got the first game

1185
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 9: he's got contingentsally hit hit that's become because of the

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00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 9: lack of working together. Because when you have a lot

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00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 9: of leakage to the way they did that, freaking now

1188
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Speaker 9: we lose.

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Speaker 2: That Nick, give it.

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Speaker 4: Give the people a little bit of insight from obviously

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00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 4: you being an amazing, amazing office alignment and.

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Speaker 2: They need to put some respect on it.

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00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 4: Let people know how difficult it is when you're used

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00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 4: to playing next to somebody. How much nonverbal communication takes place,

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Speaker 4: how much verbal communication?

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Speaker 3: How much does a tap on the shoulder, tap on

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00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 3: the hip? How much does all that stuff play apart?

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00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 3: And then you obviously you swap somebody else out, and

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Speaker 3: then somebody else is in that role. How much of

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Speaker 3: an effect does it have on your communication with the individual?

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Speaker 9: And I'm gonna say it again, it's it's your quarterback.

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00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 9: He's gonna pay for it out of all all the positions.

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00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 9: When you have lack of communication, like you said that,

1204
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 9: when when you'll see Dak walk up to the line,

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Speaker 9: and I'll use the quarterback because it's simple favor. Dak

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00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 9: will walk up to the line. He'll do something like this,

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Speaker 9: now we were around here saying what in the world.

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Speaker 9: Or he'll do something like this, what No, but to receivers,

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Speaker 9: no them tight ends, no, the slop backs.

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Speaker 14: No that nonverbal Yes, yes, he'll come up and say,

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Speaker 14: bighead twins, bighead twins, that mean too quick slants because

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Speaker 14: they can't get down the field.

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Speaker 3: But but what But what's happening at the office of line.

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00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 3: Let's give everybody a little bit of insight. What's some

1215
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 3: of the cues that that you guys are giving to

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Speaker 3: each other rights.

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Speaker 9: If I walk up to the line and they say

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00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 9: it's an over that means the center cover and were

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Speaker 9: the strong side we walk up to the tight end

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Speaker 9: is on my left side, and they say over the

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00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 9: center cover, I'm covered in the tackle cover. So if

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00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 9: I walk up and we and we run a zone

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00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 9: play to that side, I'm gonna say, trio, Well, that

1224
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 9: trio belongs to who that belongs to my center, me

1225
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 9: and my tackle, we're going we roll it and and

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00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 9: it's and that's how we roll it. If I walk

1227
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Speaker 9: up and say and they give us an even look,

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00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 9: and I say, trio and we rolling in the same part,

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Speaker 9: that means.

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Speaker 2: The backside guard, the backside tackle and me is rolling

1231
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 2: and that and that dance next that man that's next

1232
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 2: to you. That dance has to be on point.

1233
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Speaker 9: Yes, it has nothing to do with the tackle. Now,

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00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 9: just depending on what their look is, that word trio

1235
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Speaker 9: can mean multiple things.

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00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: And then when they.

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Speaker 9: Once they figured out dummy, dummy, we called to the lion,

1238
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 9: it's a pass place. We lean a little full trio trio,

1239
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 9: they honk her down we sitting back past man.

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00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: See what I'm saying. We we love you. We you're

1241
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 2: on the podcast next, right, Yeah, yeah, we we.

1242
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 9: You know, we ain't as big as y'all, smart as y'all.

1243
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 7: But I.

1244
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 2: Also want to argue twins.

1245
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 3: I know, I know, we gotta get out of here,

1246
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 3: bir Yeah we did, lie rich Richards, okay, and what

1247
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 3: do you guys is do we have any and so yeah,

1248
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 3: let's let's let's get Nate out of here first because

1249
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 3: he's gotta get ready for so you're just gonna hang out.

1250
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 2: Okay, that's yeah, awesome Richards and Chemdoga. And then here's

1251
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 2: the five that you saw with the starters.

1252
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 3: It was Tyler Smith at left tackle, it was Matt

1253
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 3: Farniac at left guard, Tyler Biottish at center, Josh Ball

1254
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 3: at right guard, and then Tyrone Smith at right tackle.

1255
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 3: That was the offensive O T put it back on.

1256
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 3: I mean, hey, listen about and you don't have Terrence

1257
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 3: Steele either. There's no Terrence Steele and no Zach Martin

1258
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 3: available in practice.

1259
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 2: Ball bumped down the guard.

1260
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Speaker 3: Ball was in he was taking guard snaps. Yes, So

1261
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Speaker 3: that was the rotation. We saw a little bit of

1262
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 3: awesome Richards and that was about it. A little bit

1263
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 3: of awesome Richards and and honestly, you you talked about

1264
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 3: the guard position and you put an article online about

1265
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 3: the left guard candidates with ch Madoga, Matt Farniac and

1266
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Speaker 3: Josh Ball. I want to answer that question first, because

1267
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 3: I mean, you wrote the article, but what do you

1268
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 3: think about the way that it's shaking out.

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Speaker 8: I like where Matt Farniock is and I'm glad that's

1270
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 8: kind of the consensus here. I think whenever it comes

1271
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 8: to rotating in and you mentioned something Nate, the last

1272
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 8: seven seasons, Tyron Smith has missed games at least three

1273
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 8: games the last seven seasons, and there hasn't been a

1274
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 8: really clear plan to replace him. I think last year

1275
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 8: they got really lucky because Tyler Smith was really good

1276
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Speaker 8: at his job. Going into this year, if they can

1277
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Speaker 8: have a plan to replace him at age thirty three,

1278
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 8: he's only getting older. If he goes down, I don't

1279
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 8: want to say when. If he goes down, then there

1280
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 8: has to be a reliable plan. I think Matt Farnioc

1281
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 8: can be that reliable plan. I think Matt Farnioc is

1282
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Speaker 8: the better offensive lineman in that group that is in

1283
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 8: the mix for that for that role, I think Chuma

1284
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 8: Yidoga is the better guard though, so I'm curious to

1285
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 8: see how they go about doing that well.

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00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 4: And I'm owned record as constantly saying over these past

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00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 4: few weeks, keep an eye on Matt Foarnioc. I understand

1288
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 4: that he has experience as a center, but I'm looking

1289
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 4: for the Cowboys to get him reps at left guard

1290
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 4: so that they can pit him against Chu Moneydogas so

1291
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 4: they can pit him against the fifth round pick Austin Richards.

1292
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Speaker 2: But the lead goes to Farnioc.

1293
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Speaker 4: So if Farniac can remain healthy, that's kind of been

1294
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 4: his problem, is that the injuries have slowed his development.

1295
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 4: If he can become healthy, then yes he can be

1296
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 4: or at least challenge for the left guard position. And

1297
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 4: but for me, though, it goes back to best five,

1298
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 4: which I have the same best front five is as

1299
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 4: Nate does. It's Tyrone, Tyler, the Yaddish, Zach Terrence. So

1300
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,919
Speaker 4: for me, that means you're fighting for LG two, which

1301
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 4: is still you still need that because somebody's gonna go

1302
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 4: down with injury, likely seven to seven. You don't want

1303
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 4: to see it happen, but his past few seasons have

1304
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 4: shown it's probably gonna happen. So then when that happens,

1305
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 4: Tyler goes out, and then you put Farnioc in at

1306
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 4: left guard and you try to keep everything right of

1307
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 4: left guard exactly how it needs to be.

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Speaker 3: That's the risk you take with playing best five with

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Speaker 3: that rotation, because I agree that is your best five.

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Speaker 2: But the risk that you take is that then it

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Speaker 2: opens the door. That's true for a revolving door.

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Speaker 4: There's an argument that because may to say, you know,

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Speaker 4: it'll be easy seventy seven, that's your swing. But then

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Speaker 4: that immediately means that a Fontioca, whomever moves to LG,

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Speaker 4: they have to from minute one. They have to be

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Speaker 4: ready to be that guy. And we'll see how these

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Speaker 4: next two three months play out. But as we have

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Speaker 4: this conversation, I don't know that any of those three

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Speaker 4: are ready to be that guy right now.

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Speaker 2: Yes they are. Yeah.

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Speaker 9: You don't draft players and send them on the bench

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Speaker 9: for five years unless they quarterback and then say.

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Speaker 2: Hey man, are you ready. No, you're not gonna be ready.

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Speaker 9: The only way to get ready today's NFL is to

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Speaker 9: play today's NFL does not allow you, unless you are

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Speaker 9: a quarterback, to say, hey man, we're gonna take it

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Speaker 9: easy on you. Now it's five years done, passed you ready,

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Speaker 9: ain't took a snap. You got to play these guys.

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Speaker 9: It's called development. Training camp has to mean something. If

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Speaker 9: you don't have a seven or more year thing on

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Speaker 9: your back, training camp has to be the way you

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Speaker 9: make this team.

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Speaker 2: Do know, No, but we're not.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying take it easy because they're going to

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Speaker 4: play these guys. They're gonna get these reps, push them.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna push these guys. But going back to what

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Speaker 4: I said about Farnioc and the injury history having slowed

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Speaker 4: his development, when I say I don't know if these

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Speaker 4: guys are the guy right now, Farniyoc has to show

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Speaker 4: me he can take these reps first team and second

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Speaker 4: table and make it out of training camping preseason with

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Speaker 4: no injury. Then we can have this conversation at the

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Speaker 4: beginning of September and I can say, Okay, he's now

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Speaker 4: made it physically.

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Speaker 2: There's four guys for Hoko. Is that it to send

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Speaker 2: me for Holtber? Now we can add this. We got

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Speaker 2: like twenty guys. You gotta translate. Come on, these guys

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Speaker 2: know they gotta make it happen. They gotta make it.

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Speaker 2: We've got an opportunity is there. We've got to go.

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Speaker 2: We've got to make it.

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Speaker 3: Halfway getting out of here, I think, honestly, yeah, we

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Speaker 3: gotta we gotta make something.

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Speaker 2: I sit around table, babe, it is. It's fun, all right.

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Speaker 2: You're always welcome. We got like twenty guys. We gotta

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Speaker 2: get ready.

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Speaker 3: Nate, Nate Newton, Isaiah Standback, Nick Harris, Patrick, No se Walk.

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Speaker 2: I'm Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 3: Will see you next week next Tuesday to Central Time

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