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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, Emily Abodi here you are listening to episode

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Speaker 2: two hundred and ninety one of Hurdle, a wellness focused

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Speaker 2: podcast where I talk to inspirational people about everything from

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Speaker 2: their highest highs and toughest moments to essential tips on

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Speaker 2: how to live a healthier, happier, more motivated life. We

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Speaker 2: all go through our fair share of hurdles, and my

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Speaker 2: goal through these discussions is to empower you to better

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Speaker 2: navigate yours and move with intention so that you can

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Speaker 2: stride towards your own big potential and.

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Speaker 3: Of course have some fun along the way.

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Speaker 2: Today's episode, let's just say it, it's a pinch me

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Speaker 2: moment for me. A conversation with v one the only

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Speaker 2: Joan Benoit Samuelson.

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Speaker 3: She was the.

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Speaker 2: First woman to ever win the Olympic marathon. For some

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Speaker 2: in eighteen ninety six, but it would be almost one

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Speaker 2: hundred years before women were allowed to compete, and Joni

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Speaker 3: The history in our chat today.

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Speaker 2: Before nineteen eighty four, there was no woman's marathon category

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Speaker 2: Joan and I were both in Orlando at the same

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Speaker 2: clear as someone who was in attendance that the crowds

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Speaker 2: were so lit for the women, not to say that

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Speaker 2: we weren't excited for the men, but to see the

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Speaker 2: I was so so fortunate to be able to sit

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Speaker 2: really big part of a Nike's project, dream Weaver, and

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Speaker 2: because I find it so impressive. Basically, dream Weaver supported

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Speaker 2: a community of one hundred and twenty women across the

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Speaker 2: competitive Women's Olympic Marathon trials ever assembled in this support

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Speaker 2: of the athlete, it's basically what they did was they

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Speaker 2: gave them access to world Classike E Sport research lab scientists,

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Speaker 2: as well as connected them with women's marathon legends and

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Speaker 2: Olympians like Joni Hlne Flanagan and Kira Demato. And I

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Speaker 3: And it was so bone to lank.

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Speaker 2: Truly to watch the superstars chase their big potential. Like

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Speaker 2: I still have chills just thinking about it. Anyway, Joni

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Speaker 2: And with that, let's get to it. Let's get to hurdling. Today,

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Speaker 2: I have the honor of sitting down with Joe Benoit Samuelson.

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Speaker 3: How are you doing today?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well, Thank you. I've got eighteen miles this morning.

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Speaker 2: Joan, this podcast, this podcast is not about me. It's

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Speaker 1: Actually, if we both go to Tokyo to get our

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Speaker 2: You're really I'm the I just want to preface this

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Speaker 1: I'm delighted to be here. It's really energizing to be

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Speaker 2: So much has changed right since your heyday. If you

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Speaker 2: Know that you have some wisdom to share. Oh please.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to downplay how amazing you are. I'm

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Speaker 1: A little bit. But I'm particularly excited to be here

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Speaker 1: Well, Project dream Weavers is a Nike project, a bunch

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Speaker 2: How does it feel for you to be in the

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Speaker 2: That's all you needed when it comes to the way

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Speaker 1: and screen time get in the way of that. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I will give my mother a ton of

442
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Speaker 1: credit because dinner was always served promptly at six, but

443
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: I always wanted to sneak in a second workout, so

444
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: she did move it back to six point fifteen. She

445
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Speaker 1: knew how valuable how much the running meant to me.

446
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Speaker 1: But she was also the person who said to me

447
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Speaker 1: when I did my lap with the flag around the coliseum,

448
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: leaning over, she said to me, now can you quit?

449
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: And I said what are you talking about? And she said, well,

450
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Speaker 1: you've put me through all. I said, yeah, but Mom,

451
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: I still have goals I want to achieve, and she

452
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Speaker 1: supported me all the way to the end. She died

453
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Speaker 1: fifteen days shy of her ninety fifth birthday, So she

454
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Speaker 1: had a wonderful long life and held the dinner hour

455
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Speaker 1: for me and always was concerned about my knees. And

456
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Speaker 1: shortly after she passed, I had a partial knee replacement.

457
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Speaker 1: So that's another reason I want to get to Tokyota

458
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Speaker 1: run with you.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Hey, that lap around the stadium such a special

460
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Speaker 2: moment for you.

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Speaker 3: What changed after that day?

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Speaker 1: Well, I came through the tunnel, or I was in

463
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Speaker 1: the middle of the tunnel, and it was dark, and

464
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Speaker 1: I was all alone, and I was wondering if anybody

465
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Speaker 1: would be in the coliseum because it was the first

466
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Speaker 1: time the woman's marathon was being held, and it was

467
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Speaker 1: a Sunday morning. And I said, who's going to come

468
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Speaker 1: out and watch a bunch of women run for the

469
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Speaker 1: first time. A lot of the pundits thought women wouldn't

470
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Speaker 1: be able to do that exercise. And when I came

471
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Speaker 1: into the light, I saw the crowd. I heard that.

472
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Speaker 1: I actually heard the crowd before I got into the light,

473
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: and I said, whoa, there are people in there. And

474
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Speaker 1: I said to myself, don't let this moment in time

475
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Speaker 1: change the person you are, and make sure you give

476
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Speaker 1: back to a sport in a community that have given

477
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Speaker 1: you so much. And that's what led to the founding

478
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Speaker 1: of the Beach to Beach and ten k in my

479
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: hometown of Cape Elizabeth, with the help of Nike and

480
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Speaker 1: other sponsors and the other thing in LA that I

481
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Speaker 1: couldn't forget was I'd run a half marathon in San

482
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Speaker 1: Diego the previous fall, and I was told that there

483
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: was a big Gerden Life mural of me on one

484
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: of the apartment buildings, and watts did I want to

485
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: see it? And I thought that might be a bad

486
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: omen to look at it before the marathon. Should I

487
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: make the team because that wasn't a given. And then

488
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: I saw this Nike mural and that's what kept me

489
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: going through the hardships with the knee. I said, here's

490
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Speaker 1: a company that has supported me from the beginning of

491
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Speaker 1: my career and put this amount of faith in me,

492
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Speaker 1: I can't disappoint. And I grew up not wanting to

493
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Speaker 1: disappoint family or friends, or teachers or coaches. That's deep

494
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Speaker 1: in your gut and in your heart.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's understandable, right.

496
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Speaker 2: You want to show up in whatever way you feel

497
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 2: capable of for the people that make you feel seen,

498
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 2: that make you feel valuable. It's why you talked so

499
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: passionately about wanting to be there for dinner for your mom.

500
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: You didn't want to disappoint her, but you also had

501
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: expectations and hopes for yourself. So combining those two at

502
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: times can prove to be difficult. You talk so highly

503
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: a family, and I'm so lucky that I get the

504
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: opportunity to talk to so many up and coming athletes

505
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: these days as well, so many of them talking about

506
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Speaker 2: the sacrifices that they have had to make as they

507
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 2: pursue their goals. I mean talking about this weekend, having

508
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: sat down previously with Kira Demato and then Emily sis In,

509
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: and I believe both of them talking so beautifully and

510
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: vulnerably about how the sport has impacted their family. For you,

511
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: aside from these dinner, these dinners with your family, what

512
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: was it like for you to try to prioritize sport

513
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Speaker 2: and also your personal life.

514
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: Well, I refer to my career in two phases BC

515
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: and AD, before children and after diapers. And it used

516
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: to be that I scheduled my day around my running

517
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: before I had kids, and then I scheduled my running

518
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: around my day after I had children. And I think

519
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: that was the biggest difference, and you just have to

520
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: reset and reschedule. I remember, this is one poignant story

521
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: I was. I am an avid gardener. I love to

522
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: feel the good earth. I love to grow what we

523
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: eat when I can, and with climate change, the growing season,

524
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: unfortunately is getting longer and longer. But I remember being

525
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Speaker 1: out there with our son, who was a newborn, and

526
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Speaker 1: our daughter who was about two and a half at

527
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: the time, and she was out there with her little

528
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: rake and try all in. Her son was in the

529
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Speaker 1: little rock room. My daughter had her babies too in

530
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: her carriage and said, Mom, do you mind watching my

531
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Speaker 1: babies while I go for a run? And I said no,

532
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: go ahead, enjoy it. And she ran around the house

533
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: and came back. She said, Mom, I hate to ask

534
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: you this, but if you watch my babies a little

535
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: bit longer, I can go to a meeting and then

536
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: go to the grocery store and run a few errands.

537
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: And I said, fine with me. She went and she

538
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: came back and she said, Mom, I'm not going to

539
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: run anymore. And I knew what she was going to say,

540
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: because it's every mother's guilt. I think, what do you

541
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: think she's going to say? You tell me she.

542
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: Was going to tell you that she felt bad having

543
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: to leave the family, right yeah.

544
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: And I said, if she says this, my career as

545
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: I've known it is over. And she said, I don't

546
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: know if I told you this, but I'm nursing these

547
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: babies and my boobs are killing me. So I just

548
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: breathed the greatest sigh of relief, and I said few.

549
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: But had she said what you said, yeah, that would.

550
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: So it's so great here at the trials in Orlando

551
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: to see so many young moms and to see the

552
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Speaker 1: families that have joined them, whether they're partners or spouses

553
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: or whomever, and the parents and in some cases grandparents

554
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: supporting the participants who will be running here. Our sport

555
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: has evolved in a very good way.

556
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially within women's distance, running more and more women,

557
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: I guess technically getting older, although like arguing how old

558
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: is quote unquote old? But women as they're aging and

559
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: still excelling so much in sport, it's such a beautiful

560
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: thing to see. You know, you made such great waves

561
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: for paving the way for women to be heard be

562
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: seen in sport, and now these women are doing it

563
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: in their own right in such a beautiful way to

564
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Speaker 2: say I can have a family and I can still

565
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: choose after my dreams, and that's remarkable.

566
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Speaker 1: And they're happily accepting the baton and moving it forward,

567
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: which is great. And just to see the support that

568
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Speaker 1: these women are receiving and to see the passion. And

569
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's not only the up and coming younger runners,

570
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: it's the woman who might have had the opportunity to

571
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: play sports in high school and college, then had children

572
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: and didn't think they could run or participate in competitions,

573
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: and then they've discovered the sport. So you see these

574
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: masters runners and senior runners who are running unbelievably fast times,

575
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: and they keep me going as long as well as

576
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: the younger runners.

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00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 2: Well, and as does your family. I know that you

578
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: have now run a few marathons with your daughter. How

579
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: does it feel for you to be able to share

580
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: your joy of running with your family?

581
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: Well, more importantly, it makes me happy to see the

582
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: joy she has for the sport. And now she has

583
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: a daughter, So I look forward to running if Charlotte

584
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: decides that she wants to run. Charlotte's the granddaughter who's

585
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: feisty as heck. You know, to run three generations and

586
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,479
Speaker 1: just to have it as a lifelong pursuit.

587
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of generations, you have run a sub three

588
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:09,719
Speaker 2: hour marathon in five consecutive decades. I don't know if

589
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: anybody else can say something like that.

590
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: I think there's a guy or two. But you know,

591
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: I really wanted to make it six decades, and you know,

592
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: the Sub two twenty marathon eluded me, and the sub

593
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: three and six decades probably will. But the passion hasn't

594
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: lost its fire. And the fact that I can still

595
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: run with everything I've been through and still enjoy it

596
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: as much as I did fifty years ago. Yeah, that's

597
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: a gift.

598
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: What do you think is the secret sauce that keeps

599
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: you running?

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00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: Passion? Yeah, and endorphins.

601
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 3: And endorphins both are important to the recipe, right, Yes,

602
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: are you a music runner or no? Nothing?

603
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry to say I run unplugged.

604
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean I think that's great.

605
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: You know, I love I love to be one in nature,

606
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: and nature is hurting right now, and I like to

607
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: be cognizant of changes in the environment and know what's

608
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: going on out there, especially where I do a lot

609
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: of my training, on the coast of Maine, where erosion

610
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: and rising sea levels and storm surges are a real issue.

611
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: We didn't have these problems twenty thirty years ago, but

612
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: it's happening.

613
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 3: And as it's happening.

614
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: I know so often when stuff like this is going on,

615
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: it's like we want to take it upon ourselves to

616
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: do something about it. What do you find that you're

617
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: compelled to do about it.

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00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: I try to curb the carbon footprint as much as

619
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: I can at home, and if we all did a

620
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: little bit, I think it would be helpful. But I

621
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: think we need, especially as a population of runners, it's

622
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: a community of runners, need to raise the awareness of

623
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: ambient air quality changes, ocean acertification, lake beutrification. I mean,

624
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: we all love to run in beautiful places. You know,

625
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: maybe it's saved the beautiful places whatever.

626
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even like talking about this right now, right

627
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: like you and I just having this conversation, which then

628
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: reaches other people. It's an opportunity for you to use

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00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: your platform to speak out about something that you really

630
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:16,959
Speaker 2: are passionate about.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, we grew up with parents who were

632
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: concerned about making do with what you had, and a

633
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: lot of us make do with more than we should have.

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00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: And I try to think about that every day.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, check it out. I do want to shift

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697
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Speaker 2: we've established, a long time Nike athlete now and you

698
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Speaker 2: have so much gratitude for the brand. Tell me a

699
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Speaker 2: little bit about what that means to you and also

700
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701
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Speaker 2: brand over the years.

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Speaker 1: Well, I remember product that very few people in the

704
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Speaker 1: company remember today. And I remember my favorite shoe when

705
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Speaker 1: I was training for the Olympic trials in eighty four.

706
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: It was a shoe called the Daybreak and it was

707
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: an ugly shoe. It was tan with an orange swash,

708
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: and they had discontinued the shoe about the same time

709
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: that I was gearing up after the knee for the Olympics,

710
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: and I said, what am I going to do without

711
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: my shoe? And an angel from somewhere came down on

712
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: a doorstep with a big box of daybreaks. I think

713
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: they were sourced in Brazil, and it got me through.

714
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: I still have a couple of pairs that I haven't

715
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: worn yet, But I mean, the technology advancements have been

716
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: great for the athletes, but never forget your roots, never

717
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: forget where you come from. Because some of my favorite

718
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 1: apparel to this day is apparel that I had as

719
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: a young runner and one of my favorite pieces. And

720
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: Nike DNA came and took a lot of my stuff,

721
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: which my children were very happy about because they don't

722
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: want to be saddled with all the stuff I've collected

723
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: over the years. But I do have this orange fluorescent

724
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: hoodie and my mother sewed fluor ess and orange stripes

725
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: on the front side and a big X. This was

726
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: before the reflective running vests I do, and they wanted

727
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: to take that piece, but I couldn't let that one go.

728
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: It sounds like something my dad would do as well,

729
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: like I want you to be seen. I think first

730
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: he definitely bought me like one too many Neon yellow

731
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: items from Costco to where on my morning runs.

732
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 3: I'm an early morning runner myself.

733
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: And then I remember my mother sewing a Bowden singlet.

734
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Speaker 1: I went to go college and I wanted to wear

735
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Speaker 1: the college single at my senior year. And it was

736
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Speaker 1: a men's jersey because it wasn't a girls team, right right,

737
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: So and I still she tacked up the shoulders and

738
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: with red thread on the flat. So I wouldn't let

739
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: that go either. There are a few sentimental pieces, but

740
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: you know the technology that has taken place since my

741
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: early days to this day. You know, to put on

742
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 1: the vapor flies or the alpha flers, you can do anything.

743
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 2: With those shoes. Overwhelmed by it a little bit different

744
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 2: than those daybreaks.

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Speaker 1: I think the thing carry out those day breaks. I

746
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: mean they look like there's cement. I mean, it's crazy.

747
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: But then I was shown the track spikes that they

748
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: ran in in the nineteen twenties by this equipment manager

749
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: in the Bowden Cage, which is where we picked up

750
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Speaker 1: our equipment and I said, how did people run in

751
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Speaker 1: those shoes? If I brought in my day breaks, that'd say,

752
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: how the heck did you run in those shoes?

753
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

754
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: And anyway, but at the.

755
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: Time, they made you feel capable, right, And I think

756
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 2: that's the through line with even as technology evolves, as

757
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: the product evolves, people lean into their favorite items because

758
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: those are the things that make them feel like the

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Speaker 2: best version of themselves.

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00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: Right. But the most important thing is to be comfortable

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00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: in what it is you're wearing. And Nike takes the

762
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: feedback from the athlete seriously, listen to the voice of

763
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Speaker 1: the athlete, and they do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

765
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Speaker 2: And so, as I said, you have been with the

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Speaker 2: company for some time now, and your role has evolved

767
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: with the company for some time now. Talk to me

768
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 2: about how involved you are these days and what it

769
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: feels like for you to still have a seat at

770
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Speaker 2: this table.

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00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: Well, I just I just feel like I have a

772
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: lot of institutional knowledge, you might say. And somebody was

773
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: I'm into this cold water swimming, you know, And I

774
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 1: had an old pair of boots on at the beach.

775
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: A lot of my friends wear hoodies and gloves and booies. No,

776
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: that's cheating, so you have to go in just with

777
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: a suit period.

778
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 3: Okay.

779
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: He said, well why are you in Nike shoes? And

780
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: I said, as you discontinued the aqua socks. So I'm

781
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: asked with them and I think they appreciate that. Yeah,

782
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: And I call them on things and they listen, and they,

783
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: you know, like all athletes try to be better athletes

784
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: and better people. They try to be a better Nike.

785
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 1: He tries to be a better company.

786
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

787
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to say.

788
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 3: They we we we You're part of it.

789
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I laugh when you talk about the cold swimming,

790
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: you do it. We won't even call it plunging because

791
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 2: you're swimming. You're two minutest minimum.

792
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 3: Two minutes minimum. And this is why you're still running.

793
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: It's helped, it really has.

794
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, what does that? What else would you say? My

795
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: bam Man friends think numb as a hake? But what

796
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: else would you say? Your routine looks like these days?

797
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: What does coffee?

798
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 3: Oh? What is there anything?

799
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: I didn't started drinking coffee until I was fifty.

800
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: Oh not that long ago?

801
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: No, okay, yeah, sort of.

802
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 2: But in addition to the coffee, let's say holistically, you're

803
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: well on this routine. You have the cold swimming and

804
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: obviously they're running, but how else do you take care

805
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: of yourself?

806
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 3: These days?

807
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: I cross train a lot. You know, I won't mention

808
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: any names, but I do have an indoor bicycle. I

809
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: like to chase the leader board and if there's any

810
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: woman over forty ahead of me or any guy over fifty,

811
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: I go after them. And yeah, I like to do that,

812
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: and that saves the pounding on my joints. And I

813
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: do a lot of Nordic skiing, and people think I

814
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: lift weights because I have some definition in my upper arms,

815
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: and I never lift weights. I just everything I do

816
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: is holistic gardening, skiing, running, swimming, no shortcuts, no need.

817
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: To know what time you get on this indoor bicycle

818
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 2: that should not be named, so that I could strategically

819
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: get on my indoor bicycle that should not be named radar.

820
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: Who do you like? We can talk about that.

821
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 3: We'll talk about that offline.

822
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: I usually have my coffee on the days that I'm

823
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: not running, but now I'm sort of getting hungry, especially

824
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: knowing that you're thinking about Tokyo and now I I

825
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: do two things in a day. Sometimes, Oh, you're double head,

826
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: ride and I well sometimes three wow, ride, swim and run.

827
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like you're really dipping into triathlete territory.

828
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: I've think on one and one was that when I

829
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: turned fifty. Okay, how did you feel about that?

830
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: I felt like I want to do another one?

831
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 3: Okay?

832
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: Is that.

833
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: Now?

834
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: Okay? That tears down there, because I could.

835
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 3: Be down with that. If you wanted to plan that instead.

836
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 1: We can do that.

837
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 3: We can do both.

838
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

839
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 3: Well, okay.

840
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: I think the thing that I'm so interested to know

841
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 2: because you have been such you've lived such an active

842
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: life for such a long time, and you're still after it,

843
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: and so I would be remiss if I didn't ask you,

844
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 2: aside from having passion, what else is it that keeps

845
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 2: you motivated to keep showing up day in and day out.

846
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: What are your secrets to still being able to be

847
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: so excellent in your pursuit of your own excellence?

848
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's just a Jois de Ville, a

849
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: real love for life. And I think that there was

850
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: a rabbi by the name of Kushner. I think it

851
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: was Robert Kushner who wrote a couple of books, and

852
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: one of them was titled When bad things happen to

853
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: good people. And another one was when Everything is not

854
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: enough or something like that, and I sort of took

855
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: from those books the fact that patients who are diagnosed

856
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: with terminal illnesses start to live every day like it's

857
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: their last day. And I've been doing that for years.

858
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: I never take a day as for granted. But it's

859
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: come back to haunt me because now we have a granddaughter.

860
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't stop. I think it's just because I had

861
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: a father who didn't stop. Yeah, and he was an

862
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: exercise theme before exercise was in vogue.

863
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 2: I guess what I want to dig into really is

864
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: the mentality that comes with this, in that you feel

865
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: as though you don't want to take a day for granted. Right,

866
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: So what thoughts do you have in relation to that?

867
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: How do you show up regularly with this mindset? Like

868
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: where does your head go? It's just an eate, It

869
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 2: just happens.

870
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

871
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: It's like you can't run anybody else's race. You have

872
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: to run your own race. Yeah, And that's what I've

873
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 1: told to many of my friends who are running tomorrow.

874
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: You know what you have inside you. There's not a

875
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: darn thing you can do about the weather. There's not

876
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: a darn thing you can do about your competitors game plan.

877
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: You can just do what you can do, and you

878
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: can do a.

879
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: Lot, and you can do a lot for you. How

880
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 2: do you feel about how far women have come in

881
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 2: sport in general? I know we've talked about specifically within

882
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: women's running, but so much has changed for women holistically.

883
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: So how are you feeling about where women are in

884
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: sport right now?

885
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: I think we're definitely moving in the right direction. I

886
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: don't think we're there yet. I think we need more

887
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: screen time. I think we need more digging into the

888
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: stories that really inspire others, because God knows, in this

889
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: world where mental health is a real issue, people need

890
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: to be inspired and people need to know that they

891
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: can do things like running.

892
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, who inspires you, Joni?

893
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: Everybody? I come in touch with, all my friends, all

894
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: my family. There were very few role models for me

895
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: in life growing up because sports really weren't there for

896
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: a women. But I certainly was familiar with Billy Jean

897
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: King and many of the ski racers. I mean, these

898
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: are the women who played the sports who went out

899
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: there for us to be where we are today.

900
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, how does it feel for you to be that

901
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: woman for so many other people.

902
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: I don't feel like that woman. I feel like those

903
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: women are there for me, They're keeping me in the game.

904
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

905
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: Do you have like a secret group chop with women

906
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: like Billy Jean King, Like, is there a place where

907
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: you all squat up and like talk about the future

908
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 2: of women's sports? No, I feel like in my pass

909
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 2: right here in this room, the posse's in the room.

910
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: I love to hear that. What excites you right now

911
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 2: Jony Tomorrow's race? Yeah, it's I think. I think we're

912
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 2: going to send a great team to Paris, and I'm

913
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: just happy to be here to witness it all and

914
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: hopefully congratulate the people who will be representing the United States.

915
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 2: And you know, everybody here will do a great job

916
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 2: if chosen or if they make the podium and have

917
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: the opportunity to go to Paris, and it's going to

918
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: be a great Olympics. It has to be. It has

919
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 2: to be to lift this world. Yeah, that's a really

920
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 2: beautiful point. I know it's so funny. You're so humble,

921
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: and I think it's absolutely beautiful. I talk to you

922
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: and say, you're such an inspiration for so many and

923
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 2: you immediately say, I am so inspired by them, right,

924
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: so clearly, so many look to you as an inspiration.

925
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: But when you look in the mirror, what is it

926
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 2: that you see looking back at you?

927
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: How the heck have you stayed in the game so long?

928
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like I'm thirty something or forty

929
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: something except for a bad knee and all the age

930
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: spots on my face, et cetera, et cetera. But you know,

931
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: age is just a number, and fitness and wellness and

932
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: health are free. They're open to everybody. All the all

933
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 1: the all the activities that can make a person healthy

934
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: are available. Yeah, don't question yourself. If it's in your heart,

935
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: if it's in your gut, just do just go out

936
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: and give it a try. Do it. Yeah, you know,

937
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: don't hold back. And I held back. I mean when

938
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: I first started running, I was a tomboy and I

939
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: was trying to shed that tomboy image. I grew up

940
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: in a neighborhood full of boys, with three brothers. All

941
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: I wanted to do was run on the roads. And

942
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: what I would do is walk to an end the

943
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: a band an army post near our house and get

944
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: inside the gates where at the time, no vehicular traffic

945
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: was allowed, and I'd run to my heart's content and

946
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: I'd go to the gates and walk home. And if

947
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: I decided that I had to get home to do

948
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: something or I was going to be late, I might

949
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: pretend I was picking flowers or returnable bottles along the roadside.

950
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: But then I said, what the heck, I don't care

951
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: what anybody thinks about me. I love what I'm doing

952
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: and I'm going to do it. And so that's what

953
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 1: I'm telling people. I founded the beach to beaconto my hometown.

954
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: As I said, I'd love to watch the elite athletes

955
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: from the work around the world come in. But my

956
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: favorite moment is standing at the finish line watching the

957
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: people who have been pulled off the sidelines because they've

958
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: been inspired by watching, you know, previous races. They questioned themselves,

959
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: they say, do you think I could do it? And

960
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,720
Speaker 1: I say, just do it. And these are the people

961
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: that never thought they could go the distance, go the

962
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: distance and running, go the distance in their workplace, go

963
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: the distance in their family, go the distance in their community,

964
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: whatever it is. And that brings us back to the marathon,

965
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: and as a metaphor for life.

966
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it really does.

967
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 2: I'm so happy that we were able to sit down

968
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: today together and I'm so amped to see you buy

969
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 2: my side in Tokyo and then obviously when we do

970
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 2: the like Placid Triathlon before I let you go today, Joni.

971
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,439
Speaker 1: Let's no, let's just get to Tokyo first, Yiel.

972
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 3: That's fine. That works for me.

973
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: Right now, you have an opportunity to offer yourself a

974
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: piece of advice, knowing what you know now, looking back

975
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: on that moment when you showed up for the Olympic

976
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 2: Trials with so much uncertainty in your corner, what would

977
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: you tell yourself looking back on that moment.

978
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: Patience is a virtue and you need to practice patients

979
00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: much more than you do today than I do today.

980
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: Oh man, well, I'm not a very patient person. I

981
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: want to see things like that, but patience is such

982
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: a valuable tool and it will be tomorrow in this race.

983
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 3: You wait and see, you wait and see. So happy

984
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 3: we were able to do this.

985
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 2: For those that want to follow along with you and

986
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 2: garner more wisdom and tips from you as they go

987
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 2: on in their journeys, how do they keep up with you?

988
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 3: How do they follow along with you.

989
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 2: I hold my carge close to my chest. Come run

990
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 2: with me, Come run perfect. I'll see you in Tokyo.

991
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: I'm over at Emily a Body and at Hurdle Podcast.

992
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Speaker 2: Another Hurdle Conquered. Catch you guys next time.