1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. We 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: are back with Kat and we are here for part two. 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: So without further ado, we're just going to get right 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: into it because we have so much more to discuss. 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: Okay, you know what the crazy thing is. I remember 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: seeing like all the coverage of this at the time, 7 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 2: and it seemed like you guys were like such a 8 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: happy couple. 9 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 3: Yeah no, that's like the internet for you. 10 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: So was that him? That's like, I want to present 11 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: this to the public even though you were not having 12 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 2: a good time. 13 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 3: We had our most biggest fight there. 14 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: What was the fight? 15 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 3: What was the fight? Oh? I mean yeah, I don't 16 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 3: like it's just like it was just a lot. 17 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 4: Like I eventually like was like okay, like this is 18 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 4: like not okay, Like I feel like you have been gone. 19 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 4: Like I was sitting at the chair like while before 20 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 4: the fight was going to start, and he left for 21 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 4: an hour I guess to go get a drink for 22 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 4: like he was gone for an hour, and then I 23 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 4: was like okay, Like at this like I just felt 24 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 4: so alone and like he wasn't even like trying to 25 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 4: like take the time to make me feel comfortable and environment. 26 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 4: It's clearly not mine, and like that's how I move. 27 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 4: But then also when you start to see somebody from 28 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 4: that perspective, like everything is going to be heightened. So 29 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 4: I was like a little aware of that, like I 30 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 4: could be like just seeing him from that perspective because 31 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 4: I already felt that way, but it was so not 32 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 4: received very well, and so I was just not being 33 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 4: spoken to very appropriately. Like one of the things that 34 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 4: was said was if you want someone that's going to 35 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 4: be obsessed with you, that's not going to be me. 36 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 3: And he's like saying. 37 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 4: That to me, like I'm right here, he's right here, 38 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 4: and I'm actually you know what I'm talking to take 39 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 4: Like he's going to hate that I'm telling so many details, 40 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 4: but like I actually don't care, Like yeah, he was 41 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 4: just going on and on and on, like he did 42 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 4: this when we were doing the reunion too, Like I'm 43 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 4: sure I contributed to it, like I think I triggered 44 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 4: him in certain ways, but like it was never like, oh, 45 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 4: she's feeling insecure, like let me help her. Like if 46 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 4: he was like feeling that way, like I would see 47 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 4: my partner from that perspective at least that's what I 48 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 4: would want, And I learned to say less because then 49 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 4: they can't hurt you back, like he's against you, so 50 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 4: like he would just keep going if I wouldn't say anything, 51 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 4: and eventually you would stop, and like I just felt 52 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 4: like so that was I just did not say any 53 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 4: words throughout the entire fight. Like I was just like 54 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 4: he needs to apologize, like whatever, have your hard moment. 55 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 4: And then I was like, actually I do want someone 56 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 4: that's obsessed with me. I'm like that's okay, like you 57 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 4: could like I do, like I want to be obsessed 58 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 4: with my partner and vice versa, Like why is it 59 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 4: a bad thing? 60 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 3: Right? I All I wanted to know was where you were? 61 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 3: So anyways we leave the fight? Are we leave? 62 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: Yeah? 63 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 3: The actual boxing fight, and then. 64 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 4: It was just, of course so hard to get an 65 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 4: uber even though he told me we were going to 66 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 4: have a car service the whole time, of course yes, 67 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 4: and didn't couldn't get out of there was walking in hills, 68 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 4: So it was just like. 69 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 3: So breaked up during that fight. 70 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 4: No, So then then I eventually snapped because he like 71 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 4: said something really disrespectful to me and I was like I'm. 72 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 3: Going home, Like I'm like I'm literally done, like I'm doing. 73 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 2: What do you say. 74 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 4: We got I mean, okay, so we got out of 75 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 4: the taxi, like we finally got to you we're supposed 76 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 4: to be and. 77 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 3: I said something about something, maybe the uber or something, 78 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 3: and it's okay if you don't remember, No I remember. 79 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 3: I'm just like I'm gonna like, these are just so 80 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 3: many details or whatever. Uh I said somebody about the uber. 81 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 4: I said something, and he said something under his breath, 82 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 4: and I goes, you just tell me to shut the 83 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 4: fuck up, and he goes, no, I told you to 84 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 4: grow the fuck up, like you're acting like a child. 85 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 4: And then that's when I was done. And that's when 86 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 4: I finally like lost it. So of course I'm like 87 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 4: we're like, I'm like trying to get home. He like 88 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 4: leaves whatever we're in. We have this party bus driver 89 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 4: I guess that we had on the way there, and 90 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 4: we're in this party bus. Like I was eventually like 91 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 4: crying and like upset and probably not communicating in my 92 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 4: best on the party bus. Crying on the party bus, 93 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 4: Lily Bow going off. Literally it was cinema. I'm crying 94 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 4: and he's like, you know, like you I had unhealthy 95 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 4: relationships in the past, like maybe you're the problem, like 96 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 4: blah blah blah. I'm like I shared that with you 97 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 4: because like that is something that I've taken to grow from, 98 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 4: not because like you can use like my like low 99 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 4: moments against me and like, yeah, it's been hours and 100 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 4: I'm finally snapping, like I'm tired of it, Like I 101 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 4: do deserve respect. But of course when you do that 102 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 4: and you yell and you lose your composure, they can 103 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 4: be like look at you. 104 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 3: You're like not. 105 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 4: Composed, and it's like, oh, but you got me here, 106 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 4: you know, And I have been and so I definitely 107 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 4: didn't handle myself very well in that moment. 108 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 3: I was just like so upset. 109 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 4: And then we went back home and we were supposed 110 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 4: to spend that next weekend together, but it was then 111 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 4: I was like everything is work related and I'm done 112 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 4: doing work related stuff. Like when we were at the 113 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 4: Padres game, he literally did that to set up his 114 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 4: and his stuff. I had just got off work and 115 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 4: didn't even talk to me the whole time. I was 116 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 4: asking questions about the baseball that I already knew answers 117 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 4: to because I just want him to like have a 118 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 4: conversation with me. 119 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: So I'm like, so you felt like at this point, 120 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: like obviously after Vegas and then you're mentioning the Padres game, 121 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: like you probably were already checked out. 122 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: If not, like that was the I was getting scared. 123 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 3: I was getting scared. I was like, if this is 124 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 3: I do not did you not want to leave him? 125 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 4: Like, well, I just I give people moments of like, 126 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 4: let's talk about it, right, so like let's okay, now 127 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 4: I know if this is possibly work related, then I 128 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 4: won't be participating. So that next weekend was that and 129 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 4: it was my guess partners that he does work with, 130 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 4: and I'm like, I don't want my person to bring 131 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 4: me to this space that he did in Vegas. And 132 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 4: we had a really like we took a couple of 133 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 4: days and then we really talked about it, and I 134 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 4: felt like there was conflict resolution in those moments where 135 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 4: we can like you use those understand each other. But 136 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 4: at the end of the day, I'm like, this is 137 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 4: just still not feeling good and I've always not felt 138 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,559 Speaker 4: like super good. Like he saw how it wasn't Paradi. 139 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 4: It's like my intuition was kind of like there. And 140 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 4: then it was his birthday in New York and I 141 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 4: went and saw him and we had a good time. 142 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 4: I got to see Charity, and I tried to, you know, okay, 143 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 4: let's talk about San Diego, like now it's it's time, 144 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 4: like I would like to have an idea of what 145 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 4: the next year is going to look like, might least 146 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 4: since in January. And I just felt again like we 147 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 4: didn't get anywhere, and it was a bunch of I 148 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 4: actually couldn't tell you because I don't even know what 149 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 4: happened in the conversation. And granted I go to therapy 150 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 4: every other week, if not weekly, So like I talk about, 151 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 4: I understand unhealthy communication almost too well now, so I 152 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 4: can clock it so quickly. And so when people talk 153 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 4: in circles or there is no start and finish, is 154 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 4: usually from a place of either manipulation or they just 155 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 4: don't even know, and then you're left confused and they 156 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 4: don't have to answer. Right, So that's what it started 157 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 4: to feel like. And I'm like, all right, I needed some. 158 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 3: Space to see if this makes sense for me, because 159 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 3: I don't want to do anything that doesn't have like 160 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 3: an intentional end, right, And I didn't feel like we've 161 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 3: gone anywhere at this point where we're growing and at 162 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 3: this point, like we don't even have an inside joke, 163 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 3: Like I like, we need to have inside jokes like this. Yeah. 164 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 4: So it's like I just didn't feel like there was 165 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 4: enough momentum and that there was I was getting that 166 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 4: reciprocal Okay, So I think he thought that too. I 167 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 4: think he started to feel that too. I'm sure he 168 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 4: did too. Like I think that I also made like 169 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 4: he was experiencing very similar feelings. 170 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. 171 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: No, I just I'm like, I'm itching to get to the. 172 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, break, I'm like, I think leap matters so much. 173 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: I feel like at this point, like so many breakups 174 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: should have happened. So what could have actually happened to 175 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: like really push this over the edge. 176 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: And like what was the Yeah, well, how did that 177 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: conversation go? 178 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 4: We spent a few weeks apart, and I want to break. 179 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 4: I just I said, let me take some space and 180 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 4: I need to see if this is what I really want. 181 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 4: You take your space and you're going to be in 182 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 4: San Diego that last week of October and we'll see 183 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 4: each other then. I guess maybe I don't know if 184 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 4: I actually didn't even know if we agreed on that yet, 185 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 4: but like I knew he was coming for something else, 186 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 4: and like we can see we're at So we were 187 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 4: checking in like weeklysh like I just didn't want him 188 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 4: to feel alone. 189 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 3: He was so understanding. He was like, take, I get it, 190 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 3: Like we're still together, Like we're still dating. 191 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not working up with anyone or anything, like 192 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 4: we're still like together in a way like publicly obviously too, 193 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 4: and but we're still I didn't feel completely like gone 194 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 4: like I felt, but like again, I. 195 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 3: Didn't even feel like I was dating him to begin with. 196 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 4: So like what I wanted to feel is if I 197 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 4: felt apart from him during that time, and I felt 198 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 4: the same. 199 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 3: So for me, that was. 200 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: Like like a break versus like okay, we are a hundred, 201 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: like I don't want to talk to you. 202 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let's wait. It gets better. So then he comes. 203 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 4: Then he comes to San Diego, Like I try to 204 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 4: talk to him. I think that like Monday or something. 205 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 4: We talked for four hours about nothing and didn't get anywhere. 206 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 3: And then he's like, well, I'm coming, like let's see 207 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 3: each other whatever. So he's in San Diego. 208 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 4: We spend the whole weekend together he's like, I love you, 209 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 4: I want to be with you, I want to make 210 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 4: this work like blah blah blah. I'm like, okay, let's see. 211 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 4: So then we start talking daily and nothing really changes, 212 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 4: and I think that goes on for about two weeks, and. 213 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 3: But I wasn't like itching to get back. 214 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 4: I was like, I don't really like care at this point, 215 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 4: like I'm done done, Like at this point, if you're 216 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 4: not going to make me like feel loved, I don't 217 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 4: feel like that's not how I feel good in relationships. 218 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 4: So then a weekend went I were we literally like 219 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 4: barely talked, and I felt like I couldn't move on 220 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 4: with my life with someone else or experience like new 221 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 4: experiences because I was tied to this like relationship that 222 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 4: was like in limbo. 223 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 3: I called him my half boyfriend. 224 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, at this point, are you dating? 225 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: Like we're like, I mean, did you never set boundaries discussion? 226 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 4: We never sat boundaries as far as like cooking up 227 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 4: with other people, but like we were I mean talking 228 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 4: every single day, but like we were like really like 229 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 4: I just assumed like obviously we're if we did experience 230 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 4: or explore someone else like that would be communicated and 231 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 4: you know, discussed in a way, but like we did 232 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 4: go from talking every single day so like facetiming and 233 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 4: doing all this stuff but just about general stuff like 234 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 4: nothing crazy, like still not anything different than before, to 235 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 4: all of a sudden I didn't hear from him like 236 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 4: at all that weekend and so then that Sunday, I 237 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 4: was like, right, I'm done, Like I don't I don't 238 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 4: care to be this doing anymore, Like I I need 239 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 4: to move on with my life. 240 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 3: Called him. We had to talk. 241 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: We're like and you told him that you were like done. 242 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like this is clearly not working. 243 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 4: Like we want different things in a relationship, Like you 244 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 4: want to still be living in like New York. 245 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 3: I want this in a relationship. I want to be 246 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 3: close to my partner. 247 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 4: I don't really know if I can adjust to lifestyle 248 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 4: that you have, and like that is so okay, Like 249 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 4: we've tried to like see if that's a life that 250 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 4: we can do together, and I think we just both 251 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 4: want different things and need different things in a relationship 252 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 4: and like you go do that, like and I will 253 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 4: go do this, and like let's move on. It helps 254 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 4: I guess that we weren't like super like I didn't 255 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 4: feel super connected to him to begin with. So he's like, yeah, 256 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 4: I agree, like everything's good. 257 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 3: I'm like pushback at all. 258 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 4: Never he's never had pushback, he's never been like even 259 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 4: when I brought up before. 260 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: Okay, so minimal reaction from him, and then but we were. 261 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 3: Like on good terms. We're like bye bye. 262 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 4: He's like, I'll be in Florida for the holidays, like 263 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 4: I'd love to see your family, like weird shit like that. 264 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, okay, yeah, so where's where's the me? 265 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: I want the meat? 266 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 3: Okay. 267 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 4: So the second we get off the phone, I get 268 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 4: a hate girly text, like like literally. 269 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 3: The moment I press that button and literally got chilled. 270 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 4: I get a hayearly text from one of my friends 271 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 4: who got a hagarly text from someone else, and I 272 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 4: have it. 273 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 3: It's in my DMS. 274 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: This is giving. I'm coming to you, read woman. 275 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 3: Sure we're gonna read it. Let me sure I get 276 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 3: my phone. 277 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm coming to you too, as woman to want. 278 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 3: So this was this wasn't even from the girl yet, Okay, 279 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 3: here it is. 280 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: I'm like getting this is so crazy. 281 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 3: This girl, I guess knew of the girl, right, so 282 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 3: it's her friend. Yeah in a way. 283 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, she goes, as long as it's because I messaged her. 284 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 4: She was like, Hey, I'm this girl message with my 285 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 4: friends and was like, I need you to know that, 286 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 4: like Dale, uh, I don't know if here him and 287 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 4: cow together, but he stopt with another girl last night, 288 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 4: and so I need I figured this would get to 289 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 4: you sooner, so I go, let's know the details. 290 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 1: I'm sick. 291 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 3: But I call him back. 292 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 4: Immediately, like I hadn't even messaged her yet, and I'm like. 293 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 3: Hey, what did you sleep over with someone last night? 294 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 3: Like did you hook up with someone last night? 295 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 4: And he's like no, like someone was trying, but like 296 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 4: I didn't hook up with her, and like I slept 297 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 4: in my own bed. 298 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 3: And I'm like I've heard these conversations so many. 299 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 4: Tis I heard it on TV. Actually, wait, like you 300 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 4: saw it on TV. So I said, okay, and then 301 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 4: I messaged a girl. She goes, as long as I 302 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 4: stay completely honymous, this will bite me, n ask, but 303 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 4: let me read this girl. Number one girls girl and 304 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 4: number two I just really love you from afar. So 305 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 4: I was like, need to share the girls. Okay, She 306 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 4: was telling me how she's like knows the girl. The 307 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 4: girl's best friends of my best friends. So I don't 308 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 4: know who exactly she told aside from her, and don't 309 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 4: know what's coming back to me. But it happened last 310 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 4: night in Florida. The girl's name is blank, she's blank. 311 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 4: He slept at her place. She had a pick of 312 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 4: him in her bed. I personally saw them with the 313 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 4: own eyes and can confirm it was indeed him. So 314 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 4: I call him back and I go, listen, I will 315 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 4: not care if you hooked up with somebody, but I 316 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 4: will care if you lie to me. And this is 317 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 4: now what's been shared, and there's a photo, so what 318 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 4: is it? And he said we didn't hook up, but 319 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 4: like I did, like sleep with her in the bed 320 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 4: or something like that, and or yeah it was something 321 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 4: about like I go no, He's like okay, yes, like 322 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 4: we slept together and saying bed or something like that, 323 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 4: or we kissed or something. I go, wait, but then, 324 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 4: why didn't you tell me that you guys hooked up? 325 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 4: And he's like, well, when you said hooked up, I 326 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 4: thought you meant sex, So a lie and a lie, 327 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 4: and so he's like I was like you're an adult, 328 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 4: like you have a brain, and like you do know 329 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 4: when I say hook up, you met, I meant everything, 330 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 4: like and I didn't just mean sex. 331 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 3: So like you're so he lied to me originally and 332 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 3: he's basically like trying to cover that up. 333 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 4: And then I'm like what and then uh, He's like 334 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 4: back whatever. We go back and forth on the phone. 335 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 4: This is like now about like an hour into it, 336 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 4: and I keep getting more information like I saw that 337 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 4: and everything, and then he's like, uh okay. I was 338 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 4: like I need to know every single detail because at 339 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 4: the end of the day, regardless of what happened, it. 340 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 3: Should have come from you. It should have not been 341 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 3: someone else. 342 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 4: I understand we're not dating, but like this is hurtful 343 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 4: because we did never set these boundaries and I need 344 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 4: to understand like what actually is about to come out. 345 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 4: So this is your opportunity now to tell me everything, 346 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 4: because this is embarrassing for me in my opinion. 347 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: Not only that, but like you need to be like 348 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 2: safe and no if he's sleeping with other people, like 349 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: to protect yourself. 350 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 4: Correct because like I was just with him right so 351 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 4: and he's. 352 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 3: Like, well, we're not even like together or whatever. And 353 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 3: like try to like make it the same. 354 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 4: I was like, well, I mean sure, but like we 355 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 4: are kind of but regardless, like that's still not okay, 356 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 4: So like I don't I should not be getting hate 357 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 4: girly text. So then I reach out to the girl personally, 358 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 4: and because as we were talking before that, it came 359 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 4: out that basically like they you know, he told me 360 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 4: how I was like, how did you get to the bedroom? 361 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 4: I was like while we were talking and like, you know, uh, 362 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 4: she followed me in my room and then like she 363 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 4: left and like we never slept together, and then we 364 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 4: did everything beside sex and all this stuff, like all 365 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 4: these things like he's it just kept growing, right because 366 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 4: that's what happens. 367 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, I've seen this movie before. 368 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 4: You think I haven't dated a guy that at first 369 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 4: said now and then all of a sudden find everything 370 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 4: else out as you keep pulling back layers, like it 371 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 4: just felt so familiar, and I'm. 372 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 3: Like he started. 373 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 4: I was like, okay, I did, I gotta go, like 374 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 4: I need to talk to the girl or whatever, and 375 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 4: like I think he knew I was calling her. So 376 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 4: I called the girl and she's so sweet and she's 377 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 4: like I'm so sorry. Like I thought you guys weren't together. 378 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 4: Told my guys you broke up like in early October 379 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 4: and like all this stuff, and I'm like, that's weird. 380 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 3: Like it's just with me two weeks ago, like we 381 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 3: talk every day. 382 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: But I point in October, did you guys ever have 383 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: a conversation about like being on a break or anything. 384 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's when we but we also had, like 385 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 4: he said, Halloween weekend, like we like broke up basically, 386 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 4: and I'm like, okay, that's when we spent. 387 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: A few times together, had the conversation. 388 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, we've spent time together, so it doesn't even matter, honestly, 389 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 4: Like I again, I did not really care at this point. 390 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 4: I was already checked out, Like you could hook up. 391 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 4: I don't consider it cheating like whatever. It was just 392 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 4: like we're clearly in a public relationship. You're acting so 393 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 4: careless with my name. I won't even hold a man's 394 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 4: hand if he looks at me because I we're still 395 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 4: in a public relationship. And also I don't know where 396 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 4: we stand fully, like we have not had that full 397 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 4: I'm done conversation, So let's just have respect for each other. 398 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 4: And it comes out of course that they did actually 399 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 4: fully hook up and she was actually the one that 400 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 4: kicked him out of the room. And it's like all 401 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 4: these like crazy details that completely conflict everything that he said. 402 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 4: And I at that point was like, okay, no, done, 403 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 4: Like you actually will never be able to speak to 404 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 4: me again, because now at this point, every single thing 405 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 4: that you have said to me has been a lie. 406 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 4: All my intuition, everything that I felt about the relationship 407 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 4: felt so like validating of like I knew it, and 408 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 4: I think this was like whatever I believe in spiritually, 409 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 4: like God like showing me like this is why you 410 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 4: guys are in together. 411 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 3: Because it happened so right after he got off the pot. 412 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 2: Which means well, also like the fact that it happened 413 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 2: so quickly after is like it was happening for a while, 414 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 2: or at least the thought of it was happening for him. 415 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 4: I mean he I think he's was probably not honest 416 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 4: with me about other things in the relationship. I mean, 417 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 4: I saw so many signs of it, so just that 418 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 4: what hurt me so much was the level that he 419 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 4: went to be dishonest, And I felt so like, how 420 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 4: can someone be so capable of that? And then I 421 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 4: eventually did answer one of his phone calls, and I 422 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 4: told him that, like, I know, he did everything besides 423 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 4: what he said he did. 424 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 3: And he said, I told you we did. I go, oh, no, sir, 425 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 3: doesn't work. 426 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 2: I go, just give you the definition of hooking up. 427 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 4: And now he's saying that, yeah, so you said I 428 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 4: eventually told you that last conversation, like I'm going to 429 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,239 Speaker 4: forget our conversation. And I'm like, I literally like I 430 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 4: know this freaking movie, like you're not and so you're 431 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 4: not gonna gaslight me? And I was like, yeah, you 432 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 4: don't get this be on the phone anymore. Starts calling me. 433 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 4: I just sent him links to better help therapy. 434 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 3: At this point, I would not answer, and I just 435 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 3: kept setting him lists. So I'm like, so I feel 436 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 3: bad for the girl. She's freaking out. She feels so bad. 437 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 3: Whatever are we so sweet? And it's when you. 438 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 4: And then he starts calling me. I won't answer his phone. 439 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 4: He goes, I need to see what was sent to you. 440 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 4: Still won't answer. He goes, I'm being serious. So I 441 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 4: sent him this beautiful gift of a dumpster. 442 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 3: Fire and I said, the only person you should be 443 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 3: calling this morning is your therapist? That was our last 444 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 3: I'm just confused because my head, I'm like he. 445 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 4: Cared so much, and so I'm only reading it that 446 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 4: way because I don't want it to come as if 447 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 4: like I'm just I'm not going to just get my 448 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 4: subjective of any feeling. He's like he turned this immediately 449 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 4: into he was more helping about that. Yeah, And to 450 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 4: me it sounds like, I mean, from what we talked about, 451 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 4: going back to the Happy Couple and the show airing, 452 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 4: it's like, what does the audience think? Yeah, and so 453 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 4: I people, I don't The reason I want to go 454 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 4: like so detailed into that is that there should be 455 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 4: nothing that gets left unsaid in the sense of like 456 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 4: this is actually the interaction. You can take your opinion 457 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 4: for what is and I can say, yes, it comes 458 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 4: as if like you just want to know the information 459 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 4: and it doesn't seem like you're actually concerned about the 460 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 4: situation and for what it is like. 461 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 3: And he's more like of that, And. 462 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 4: I just don't want there to be anything that gets 463 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 4: like misunderstood about how that is. But it is it 464 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 4: felt like again in validating all the things I thought, 465 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 4: And so at this point I'm just like so grossed out, 466 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 4: Like I'm just like you're so vague. 467 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 2: Like I can't I couldn't even have be just thinking 468 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 2: about like what is Kat about to do publicly? And 469 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 2: like how do I get my PR team? 470 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 3: Like yeah, just like. 471 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,479 Speaker 1: I got to I need everything that I can all 472 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 1: I can make share so I can be ahead of this. 473 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: Like that to me is like you know again, respect 474 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: is like I think the bottom line here with like 475 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: what Cat is trying to get across of like Okay, 476 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: I don't care if this happened, but don't lie to me, 477 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: So like that's a respect thing. And like in that moment, none, 478 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: I mean. 479 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 3: It's always about what you want. 480 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: Relationship, it's non existent, like that doesn't exist. 481 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 4: Dale lives in with Dale and that's it. Like it's 482 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 4: like it felt like again I was never there. So 483 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 4: then I get annoyed and I start being pretty on 484 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 4: social media because I cannot see people be fake, Like 485 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 4: I was like, you're so fake and post some annoying shit. 486 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 4: So I posted something and I and then he uh, 487 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 4: I posted a comment on it, but he went to 488 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 4: press first and told them how I we broke up 489 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 4: because it was a mutual agreement. 490 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 3: And that's rich coming from you. 491 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 2: Comment. 492 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, so he went to press first to clear his 493 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 3: lim and that's all you said. 494 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: It could not be me. I blow that shit up immediately. 495 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 3: Wait, guys, this is the end. And then I say, oh, yes, yes, 496 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 3: but listen, this is where I'm gonna end with because 497 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 3: this is what's so crazy. And if there's one thing 498 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 3: about me is that if you try to silence me, 499 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 3: I'm gonna scream louder. 500 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 4: I actually wasn't going to make anything public about our breakup. 501 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 4: He decided to do that when they reached which. 502 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: Is which is a great thing coming, that's growth coming 503 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: from me. 504 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 3: I don't care. I was just like, I just want 505 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 3: to move on with my life. No, I know, but 506 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 3: I think that's I'm not what you want to do is. 507 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 4: You're not gonna lie about anything about me involved. So 508 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 4: when he went to press and said that we broke 509 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 4: up because we're better off as friends, which would acquire 510 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 4: us to be friends first. 511 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 3: U inside joke. 512 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 4: Maybe he literally they reached out to me, they said, 513 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 4: this is what was happened, give me a comment. 514 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 3: I go, oh, that's actually the story. Did you tell 515 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 3: the full story? 516 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 4: I did to an extent. Obviously, Like I was just like, 517 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 4: this is actually the case. And then I received the 518 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 4: day before Thanksgiving a cease and desist, a three page, 519 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 4: multiple paragraph harassment cease and desists. 520 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: Talk about a harvest. 521 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 3: It was insane. It was the most insane thing I've 522 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 3: ever read in my life. 523 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 5: And I was like, yeah, it was all it's like, 524 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 5: you you don't agree with what my version, what my 525 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 5: experience is, so you're trying to make me not say 526 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 5: it and like sent threatening messages about how you're gonna 527 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 5: sue me for millions of dollars if I do. 528 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 4: When guess what defamation only works if I was lying. Also, 529 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 4: I've said nothing. Yeah, he didn't want me to be 530 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 4: talking about our guests, our relationship. We went on TV together, 531 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 4: Like you sign up for a public relationship, I'm allowed 532 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 4: to speak my experience in the relationship. Just because you 533 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 4: don't agree does not mean that you could just send 534 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 4: me legal threats. And the fact that he did is 535 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 4: exactly why I'm sitting here today, because I will not 536 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 4: be okay with somebody trying to quiet me through their 537 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 4: own falsified experience because I actually have proof and it's 538 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 4: not about that doesn't need to be messy, but what 539 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 4: I You're not gonna like try to make me smaller. 540 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 3: And that's how it ended. We have not spoken. 541 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 4: I was like sitting with it for so long until 542 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 4: this point because it was during the holiday season, first 543 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 4: of all, and I was like, there's no way, like, 544 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 4: there's absolutely no way that I just got this in 545 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 4: the mail and it was so mean, like it was 546 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 4: such a not nice message, and I was like, so, 547 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 4: I was like. 548 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 3: What is this? So yeah, and I you can send me, 549 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 3: send me another one, assume me. What will I care? 550 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 3: Like this? I'm allowed to court, So yeah, that's where 551 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 3: we're at, and he can take that season, assist and 552 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 3: shove it right right. I hold any bad blood. I 553 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 3: think he really did try his best. 554 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 2: You have been handling this well too, Cat, and you 555 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 2: spoke very highly of him for what it's worth. 556 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 4: I don't want this to come as if like I'm 557 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 4: just shitting on his life. I think he's doing the 558 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 4: best with what he has. Unfortunately, what he has is 559 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 4: absolutely not what I need, and I should not be 560 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 4: teaching somebody at thirty seven how to use I feel statements. 561 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: Hello, what do we say best? This is not We're 562 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: not building any men around here. 563 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 3: We're not, so we're not. I hope he can be. 564 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 3: He will be a good partner for somebody who needs 565 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 3: something completely different than when I do. 566 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 2: Seeah have partners, Kat, give us a little update before 567 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 2: we go in your life. 568 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, I have been seeing someone and it's new 569 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 3: and it's really cute and like really scary because I 570 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 3: actually like it. He actually likes me too, which is crazy. 571 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 3: Usually my type is men that don't like me. 572 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: So I'm like, you know what this is because I'm like, yeah, no, 573 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: it happened. 574 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 4: I'm literally like I was so excited just like not 575 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 4: have to worry about like anything. I was excited about 576 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 4: any job, and then he came into my life and 577 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 4: it's just has happened so like authentically, like very emotionally available, 578 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 4: like perfect age. 579 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: And he's also a normal he's like not in this space, 580 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: so he's a doctor. Am I allowed to say that 581 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: he's not in the space like he's. 582 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 4: I want to respect his privacy, but like, at the 583 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 4: same time, like we share so much in our own 584 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 4: like worlds where I can like I've never been able 585 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 4: to date someone that like actually understands my world and 586 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 4: I get theirs and we get that we've grown together 587 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 4: from that, but I feel like how I've been treated 588 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 4: is like just like I feel like I'm going to 589 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 4: be like healed through him in a way, like he's 590 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 4: like teaching me like how to love myself if it 591 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 4: keeps going the way that it is. And but it's 592 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 4: still early and I'm just like excited, but also because 593 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 4: it feels so good, it's like scary and I yeah, 594 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 4: I don't know. 595 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 3: We'll see. I just it's something that we're still exploring. 596 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 4: But overall, it's been really nice and I'm just happy 597 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 4: to be done with this chapter. Like we're gonna like 598 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 4: Dale is dead it, reality TV is dead it, Like 599 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 4: we're just gonna. 600 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 3: Never say to reality TV, reality TV dating girl, Okay, okay, 601 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 3: dating I'm yeah, I'll go back on TV. 602 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 4: I unfortunately am too too entertaining, but I will not 603 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 4: be dating again on TV because it's just not my 604 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 4: It's never it's never been worked out, and I don't 605 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 4: really think if I keep trying, it's going to But overall, 606 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 4: I just want to like move on and live life 607 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 4: the way we all deserve. 608 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: Well, Kat, first of all, I just want to say 609 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 2: I'm so happy for you that you found someone that's 610 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 2: making you feel that way. I'm so glad that you 611 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 2: have like done the work on yourself because I think 612 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 2: it truly really does show. 613 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 3: And I give you guys all the tips and everything 614 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 3: so much. Oh my god, it's so fun. 615 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 2: I'm glad you got to say your piece here and 616 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 2: I hope you can feel good about this conversation and 617 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 2: leving people know because I think you deserve to thank 618 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,120 Speaker 2: you at your side and all the happiness in THEA. 619 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 3: It was very detailed, but we have to when you 620 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 3: get so there's nothing like you we do. 621 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: I lovely do have to get detailed. 622 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate you guys giving me this space and 623 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 3: like validating like my experience all good to hear. And 624 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 3: we're all just like Girlie is just doing our freaking best, 625 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 3: like we're trying, trying. 626 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: And I love this for you guys, well for Kat 627 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: and Rachel's. 628 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 2: That's going to teach me. I'm the next one that's 629 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 2: gonna emotionally. 630 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 3: It's so fun. 631 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm still a basquet case. Don't worry, like 632 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 4: I still cry, like. 633 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: But we all we all are like honestly, that's the 634 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: that's the beauty of life. It's like we're always evolving 635 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: and it's just like the first step is like obviously 636 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: accountability and being aware with where we are, and like 637 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: you go, you grow from that, like you don't stay 638 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: in the same spot, not staying stagnant, and like I 639 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: think obviously we all have witnessed like Cat's journey the 640 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: past like year and a half two years, which is, 641 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: in my opinion, I think, like a huge testament and yeah, 642 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: it's fun and crazy, but. 643 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 3: There's a lot of beauty and there is Yeah, you 644 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 3: just have to. 645 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: Lean and we're excited for your next journey. 646 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 3: You really are, I'm say for your guys next jury. 647 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being here, thank you for 648 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 2: being so open and honest. 649 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 3: We love you so much, you. 650 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: Guys, and thank you to all of our listeners. Be 651 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: sure to subscribe. We have so many more interviews coming 652 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: your way and that you guys just don't want to 653 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: want to miss. So we'll see you guys next time. 654 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 3: Bye, guys,