WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 102222 LA City Council Turns Racist (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>And now move my mic back. You're like that.

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<v Speaker 2>We can strikes with waters from headquarters behind him and

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<v Speaker 2>the line the borders.

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<v Speaker 1>But that said, if you're just tuning in to Civic Sidefro,

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<v Speaker 1>i'm your host Rams's job, Yes he is, and I

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<v Speaker 1>am q ward. You're listening to Civic Side from still

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot more show to stick around for. We

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<v Speaker 1>will be talking about the La City Council meeting that

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<v Speaker 1>termed racist. Unfortunately, we knew this day was coming, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to talk about it, you know. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think this this honestly, it makes me glad that we

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<v Speaker 1>have this show because no one else can give it

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<v Speaker 1>in these spaces, no one else can give it what

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<v Speaker 1>it needs in terms of like, hey, we really need

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<v Speaker 1>to address this. We can't just sing and dance our

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<v Speaker 1>way through this one. We have to actually talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So we will be talking about that. We also are

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thank you, thank you. You're far too kind.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's get to it. LA City council meeting

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<v Speaker 1>turns racist. All right. I'll start by reading this comes

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<v Speaker 1>from the LA Times. Headline reads racist remarks in leaked

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<v Speaker 1>audio of LA Council members spark outrage. Disgusted Behind closed doors,

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles City Council President Nuri Martinez made openly racist remarks,

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<v Speaker 1>derided some of her council colleagues, and spoke in unusually

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<v Speaker 1>crass terms about how the city should be carved up. Politically,

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<v Speaker 1>Martinis made racist remarks about council member Mike Bohnan's young son,

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<v Speaker 1>while others chime in. During this section of the conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>group was discussing a dispute between council members Karen Price

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<v Speaker 1>and Marquise Harris Dawson, who were at odds last year

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<v Speaker 1>over whose district would represent USC and Exposition Park once

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<v Speaker 1>the new maps were finalized. During the conversation with council

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<v Speaker 1>members Guil Sidillo and Kevin de Leon and Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 1>County Federation of Labor President Ron Herrera, Martinez described the

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<v Speaker 1>bon In at one point as a little B word.

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<v Speaker 1>Martinez also mocked Hawkins and said, f that guy, he's

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<v Speaker 1>with the blacks. While speaking about Los Angeles County District

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<v Speaker 1>Attorney George Gascon, who was another council member. De Leon

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<v Speaker 1>appeared to compare Bonen's handling of his child to Martinez

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<v Speaker 1>holding a Louis baiton handbag. De Leone said Bonan, who

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<v Speaker 1>is white, is like the fourth black on the council,

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<v Speaker 1>unimplied he wouldn't stand by latinos. The conversation took place

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<v Speaker 1>October twenty twenty one and focus heavily on council members

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<v Speaker 1>for us dreation with maps that have been proposed by

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<v Speaker 1>the city's twenty one member redistricting commission. Along with revealing cruel,

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<v Speaker 1>racist comments, the leaked audio offered a rare window into

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<v Speaker 1>the behind the scenes machinations of the redistricting process and

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<v Speaker 1>the bare knuckled fighting between various groups trying to secure

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<v Speaker 1>political power. Okay, now I'm going to take a moment

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to talk about this. So I'm from

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<v Speaker 1>La City of Compte. Yes, I grew up around black

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<v Speaker 1>people and Mexican people. I have no aversion to Spanish.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a little unique in that way because my grandmother

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<v Speaker 1>was from Cuba and my first language that I spoke

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<v Speaker 1>was Spanish. Don't ask me to speak it now, but

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<v Speaker 1>if I needed to, I could get by. Don't I

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<v Speaker 1>just sound like the year old. My cousins blood cousins,

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<v Speaker 1>Jan and Tunisia identify as Hispanic. Their mother is black,

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<v Speaker 1>but their father is a Mexican man, and they both

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<v Speaker 1>visibly look to be more Hispanic. That's not to say

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<v Speaker 1>they don't claim, you know, both sides. It's just, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the way the world treats them. So just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of how that goes. I have two sons. Both of

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<v Speaker 1>my sons are half Mexican. I know you're gonna want

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<v Speaker 1>to add that, so go ahead and add it, as

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<v Speaker 1>are both of my children Mexican, okay, And my childhood memories,

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<v Speaker 1>my friends then and now and well into the future,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll all be mixed up and that will include a

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<v Speaker 1>not insignificant at all amount of Hispanic Latino people. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's like family, and it literally is family. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>my son, my you know, like my cousin, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>literally family. And then you know how I am with

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<v Speaker 1>my friends that you know when you're in, you're in, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the man who is going to give

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<v Speaker 1>his thoughts. I need you to know that because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>about as close as you can be to something like

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<v Speaker 1>this and not myself be a Hispanic person. I also

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<v Speaker 1>am as close to this as you can be because

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<v Speaker 1>I do this show, I walk this path, and I

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<v Speaker 1>am a black man, and I also recognize what California

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<v Speaker 1>wants to be. Again, I'm from place. I was born

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty two, So the first part of my

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<v Speaker 1>life everyone seemed to get along fine. Later on, these

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<v Speaker 1>huge increases in the prison population because of the War

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<v Speaker 1>on drugs, because of let's be honest, Clinton's policies and

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<v Speaker 1>well Reagan, Bush and Clinton. Yeah, but you know during

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<v Speaker 1>you know that time, but you're absolutely right, Reaganomics paved

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<v Speaker 1>the way for all of this. Hence, the war on

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<v Speaker 1>drugs and other factors, you know, created a boom in

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<v Speaker 1>the prison population. My brother explained this to me one day.

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<v Speaker 1>I have an older brother, his name is raka Iris

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<v Speaker 1>Science of the Dilated People's. They make the music for

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<v Speaker 1>the show that you listen to every week, the Rappers,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the Dilated People's And so my brother is my

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<v Speaker 1>literal brothers in the group, and he told me this.

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<v Speaker 1>He says that, you know, what happens in prisons is

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<v Speaker 1>folks tend to link up with people who look like them,

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<v Speaker 1>very very tribal, right, and it's just how it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really difficult to get away from that. But what

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<v Speaker 1>happens is, you know, that environment is not the natural

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<v Speaker 1>state of human beings, right, We are not meant to

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<v Speaker 1>be in cages like that, and so our behavior, our

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<v Speaker 1>social skills tend to evolve in a very strange way

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<v Speaker 1>when we are put in an environment like that is

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<v Speaker 1>not our natural state. What happens is some of those

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<v Speaker 1>people get in there and learn how to hate, become radicalized,

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<v Speaker 1>as happens with our brothers and sisters from the Caucasian

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<v Speaker 1>tribe as well. And what happens is they bring that

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<v Speaker 1>now that that prison culture has gotten so big, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the late eighties, all throughout the nineties and

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<v Speaker 1>early two thousands, and even now, that prison culture ends

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<v Speaker 1>up spilling out into the street as people tend to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, rotate back in this society and you're to anyway, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so you have prison politics in an environment where people,

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<v Speaker 1>in theory would be free from that, be freer to

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<v Speaker 1>be who they naturally, would be freer to make children,

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<v Speaker 1>as my my aunt and uncle did, who are mixed race.

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<v Speaker 1>My my uncle by marriage, his name was Romero. I

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<v Speaker 1>love that guy. Man. I haven't seen him in some years,

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<v Speaker 1>but I did like he was so cool man. He

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<v Speaker 1>wear a cowboy hat. He was like real, like macho.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's pokespanish. This is a g man anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>And just be free to be who you are, celebrate

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<v Speaker 1>your culture alongside other people who are celebrating their culture,

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<v Speaker 1>and not hate it. Right. What happens, though, is that

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<v Speaker 1>that prison culture diffuses through communities and even works its

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<v Speaker 1>way up to city council meetings as we're seeing now.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I don't believe that is the natural state of

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<v Speaker 1>the Los Angeles City Council. We're talking about the late

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds in New York City, when

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<v Speaker 1>there's you know, Italians and that sort of stuff. I

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<v Speaker 1>could see that a little bit more easy. But somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who comes from Los Angeles, this feels very bizarre. Seems

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<v Speaker 1>like you have something I can learn, No, we can learn.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's a large part of not just

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<v Speaker 1>what our audience gains from the show, what we gain

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<v Speaker 1>from and having these conversations forces us to become more informed,

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<v Speaker 1>more learned, and more educated on the topics that we cover.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you listen to this show before, you've heard

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<v Speaker 1>us speak about this. Just like it's hard to not

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<v Speaker 1>bring racism into these conversations, it is impossible to not

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<v Speaker 1>bring up the impact of capitalism on these conversations when

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<v Speaker 1>the resources are scarce and people have to fight over them.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like in prison people become tribal, they can in

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<v Speaker 1>city council, where they're you know, redistricting and drawing maps

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<v Speaker 1>to decide who's going to get money. Let's let's call

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<v Speaker 1>it what it is, drawing those maps and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>reconfiguring the districts. You know, the reason why we're fighting

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<v Speaker 1>over who gets USC because USC's district is going to

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<v Speaker 1>get more money. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>So, when you create a situation where the resources are

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<v Speaker 3>scarce and people have to fight over them, people who

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<v Speaker 3>would otherwise get along and thrive together now feel themselves

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<v Speaker 3>pitted against each other. So that's why you hear that

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<v Speaker 3>language about you know, he's probably going to side with

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<v Speaker 3>the blacks, meaning the neighborhood where the black people lives

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<v Speaker 3>will end up getting more money if that person votes that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>So, when you create these circumstances not just in city

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<v Speaker 3>council meetings, not just in prisons, but in neighborhoods and

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<v Speaker 3>in cities, and in this country where there has to

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<v Speaker 3>be have nots, and the haves have so much, everyone

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<v Speaker 3>else is left to kind of duke it out over

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<v Speaker 3>what remains. From schools, our education system, to city councils

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<v Speaker 3>to government. I mean, our government has been so polarized

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<v Speaker 3>and so divisive and you know, so partisan that we

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<v Speaker 3>no longer agree on anything like the definitions of things

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<v Speaker 3>that have been faccked our whole lives, because in order

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<v Speaker 3>for my team to have the power, we just got

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<v Speaker 3>to ride out on the other team. Yeah, and some

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<v Speaker 3>people who really don't benefit from their team winning have

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<v Speaker 3>been so you know, and so put into this tribal,

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<v Speaker 3>divisibalized partisan mindset. They're gonna ride for their team no

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<v Speaker 3>matter what, so that their team can win, even if

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<v Speaker 3>that doesn't benefit them in any way. So these situations

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<v Speaker 3>we talk about, the rate at which people go to

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<v Speaker 3>prison in poorer communities also tied to the scarcity of resources.

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<v Speaker 3>The reason why some people don't go work at the

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<v Speaker 3>places where you and I have worked before media was

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<v Speaker 3>a thing, and get on the corner and do what

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<v Speaker 3>they feel like is a faster way to get more money,

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<v Speaker 3>even though it's more dangerous and less safe, and the

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<v Speaker 3>chances that you're gonna end up get or in prison

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<v Speaker 3>are high. I got to get this money however I can,

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<v Speaker 3>because my kids and or my parents might not be

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<v Speaker 3>able to eat or go to the doctor if I

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<v Speaker 3>don't do this.

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<v Speaker 1>So we create the circumstances that lead to black and

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<v Speaker 1>brown people fighting each other I'm trying to get this

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<v Speaker 1>money from my district, and I don't want the blacks

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<v Speaker 1>to get it over there. It's really, really a sad thing.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's very, very impossible to ignore that capitalism, just

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<v Speaker 3>like our prison industrial system, have a lot to do

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<v Speaker 3>with these outcomes.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm glad you said that, because you're absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 1>Capitalism at the center of this is a is an

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<v Speaker 1>awesome take on it, and it is painted more vividly

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<v Speaker 1>when the social climate is underscored with basically a prison

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<v Speaker 1>population problem right over over what is it over and

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<v Speaker 1>overly incarcerated imprisonment rates or something like that. I forget

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<v Speaker 1>the term, but it's something like that, and it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal around the country. We in prison we

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<v Speaker 1>have I think, yeah, we definitely have the highest prison

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<v Speaker 1>population in the world, but we have like something like

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<v Speaker 1>our half the prisons are our prisoners on earth or

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<v Speaker 1>something in the capita incarceration rate is insane. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>out of this world. And we also have like police

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<v Speaker 1>like high police shootings, every mass shooting, all this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff. And you know, there's a lot of things

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<v Speaker 1>that I know, I I this is very naive in me,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's an oversimplication of how to address these sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of things. But the quote unquote one man, one vote

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<v Speaker 1>approach to pretty much everything wild would change quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if someone were to run for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>president of the United States and that was their platform, Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really going to change the country for the better.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do one man or woman, one vote, and we

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<v Speaker 1>can shape this country in the way that the people

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<v Speaker 1>really wanted to shape it. Then you would have something

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<v Speaker 1>that really reflects a democracy. Now. I recognize there's some

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<v Speaker 1>people that are like, people don't know what they want,

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<v Speaker 1>people are stupid, whatever, that sort of thing, but at

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<v Speaker 1>least we would have a better idea of what it

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<v Speaker 1>is that people truly want, and it would eliminate these

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<v Speaker 1>sort of this fighting, bickering. Jerry Mandering is a big

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<v Speaker 1>thing that we pushed back against on this show because

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<v Speaker 1>the black vote has been disenfranchised. Black political power has

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<v Speaker 1>been challenged at every conceivable step in the political process

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<v Speaker 1>in this country since it was first permitted. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we see that those challenges are uglier than ever now

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<v Speaker 1>heading into midterm elections, which, by the way, I voted today,

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<v Speaker 1>I voted earlier. I sent my ballot in and if

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<v Speaker 1>you are not voting in the mid term elections, then

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<v Speaker 1>you need to sit on attack. All right. All Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to say something else, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to say that. Okay, I'm going to keep reading,

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<v Speaker 1>because after this was exposed, there are people on the

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<v Speaker 1>city council who have still not resigned. You would think

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<v Speaker 1>that's the first thing that you do. I've embarrassed myself,

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<v Speaker 1>I've embarrassed my people. I've shown my hand. I've exposed

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<v Speaker 1>a very ugly side of you know, this process. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was supposed to be the great solution, and I

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<v Speaker 1>you know, whatever whatever it is that you would go

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<v Speaker 1>through in terms of your soul searching as you came

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<v Speaker 1>to terms with this disgusting behavior being made public. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'll read and this comes from NPR to LA

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<v Speaker 1>City council members have lost their committee positions over race scandal.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. The head of the Los Angeles City Council

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<v Speaker 1>stripped two members of much of their power Monday to

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<v Speaker 1>pressure them to resign for participating in a private meeting

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<v Speaker 1>in which they did not object to a colleague's crewed

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<v Speaker 1>and racist remarks and at times joined in the offensive banter.

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<v Speaker 1>Acting Council President Mitchell Ferrell removed gil Sedillo and Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>de Leon from committee chairmanships and assignments and named them

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<v Speaker 1>instead to a board that rare meets as he turned

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<v Speaker 1>up the heat on the veteran Democratic politicians. Quote, these

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<v Speaker 1>members have lost all credibility, all standing, O'Farrell said at

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<v Speaker 1>a city Hall news conference. By losing committe assignments, their

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<v Speaker 1>influence in city Hall has dwindled, and they have largely

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<v Speaker 1>become token figures, unable to participate in the day to

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<v Speaker 1>day work of the Council and unwanted in council chambers

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<v Speaker 1>where their appearance is likely to cause an uproar. The

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<v Speaker 1>Council has moved to censure Cidillo and daily On, but

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have the power to remove fellow elected officials from

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<v Speaker 1>office unless they've been charged with a crime. Latinos, who

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<v Speaker 1>make up nearly half the city's population, only had four,

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<v Speaker 1>or just over a quarter of the fifteen seats on

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<v Speaker 1>the council at the time. Black people, who made up

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<v Speaker 1>less than ten percent of the population, have three, a

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<v Speaker 1>fifth of the seats. So we know that the the

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<v Speaker 1>main woman who we don't use here, an main woman

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<v Speaker 1>who is you know, almost all of the audio it

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<v Speaker 1>was her, Yeah, and she said in Spanish that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the little black boy was a monkey or acting like

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<v Speaker 1>a monkey, something like that. She has resigned, she stepped down.

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<v Speaker 1>But the other folks again who are participating in this

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<v Speaker 1>and encouraging it, you know, or did not move to

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<v Speaker 1>stop or otherwise correctly behavior, very very willing, laughing, sure

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<v Speaker 1>get it.

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<v Speaker 3>Participants. They weren't lookers on, they weren't passive in that

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<v Speaker 3>they were. They joined in.

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<v Speaker 1>So they are still technically on city council. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>this is one of those things where it's like kind

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<v Speaker 1>of hurtful, you know what I mean. It's one thing

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<v Speaker 1>if like you make a mistake and you just take

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<v Speaker 1>your lumps. It's another thing if you choose to stick

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<v Speaker 1>around and remind everybody of exactly what you think of them,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. And the really interesting part

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<v Speaker 1>for those who kind of joined in. I was at work.

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<v Speaker 3>I won't say when, and I won't say where, because

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want this story to be about anyone specifically

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<v Speaker 3>but me, and an absence of anyone being present from

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<v Speaker 3>the party that was being made fun of. I was

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<v Speaker 3>there and I heard it and I did not defend them,

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<v Speaker 3>and I felt like a coward. I felt like fraud

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<v Speaker 3>because I like to think I think all of us

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<v Speaker 3>have this version of ourself that's heroic. If that would

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<v Speaker 3>have been me, I would have had been me. You

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<v Speaker 3>know we all think that, right, But just like when

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<v Speaker 3>someone tried to kidnap my son, a moment of pause

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<v Speaker 3>could have led to him being taken. Because you think

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<v Speaker 3>if someone tries that, I'll jump over this car and

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<v Speaker 3>I'll that's what you think. But when I turn around

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<v Speaker 3>and I see this man reaching into my car to

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<v Speaker 3>grab my son, I freeze, and once again I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like a coward.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>I bring these examples up because I can not just

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<v Speaker 3>forgive or sympathize, but empathize with someone who does not,

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<v Speaker 3>who is not biased for action when something wrong is happening.

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<v Speaker 3>We all think we would, right, But in the situation

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<v Speaker 3>I was in, it would have required me to challenge

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<v Speaker 3>someone who probably could have fired me for my job.

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<v Speaker 3>And you and I have both shown the world that

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<v Speaker 3>there's only so far you can go where we will

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<v Speaker 3>just say forget this job and walk away. What this

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<v Speaker 3>person said on his face if I typed it out

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't be offensive. But if you were standing there and

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<v Speaker 3>you heard the joke, you know for a fact that

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<v Speaker 3>it was offensive. But it was offensive to parties that

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<v Speaker 3>weren't present, so there was no one there to speak

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<v Speaker 3>up for them except for me. In my mind, there's

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<v Speaker 3>ten of us there, so anybody could have said something,

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<v Speaker 3>But in my mind, the person that should have said

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<v Speaker 3>something was you. However, if I laugh at or join

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<v Speaker 3>in on this joke, that's different.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a degree further. That's different.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a few degrees further, and it's beyond cowardice.

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<v Speaker 3>You're just as much as at fault as the person

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<v Speaker 3>that you're allowing you to get off this hate, this racism,

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<v Speaker 3>and this divisiveness.

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<v Speaker 1>It's being complicit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, in those moments, I apologized to people

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<v Speaker 3>that I knew who should have been represented in that space,

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<v Speaker 3>more over my children than their mother, so to paint

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<v Speaker 3>a picture of how serious this was. And when they

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<v Speaker 3>heard it, they're like, oh, that's no big deal, But

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<v Speaker 3>to me, it was a very big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I had to learn those lessons too, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>happy to say that more recently in my life, I

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<v Speaker 1>have spoken up, not laughed, and if I can do it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can do it too, and so can these people.

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<v Speaker 1>But first they need to step down and take their

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<v Speaker 1>lumps absolutely. All right, let's move on, yo, La, we

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<v Speaker 1>love You'll figure that out. Okay. I'm thrown off the

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<v Speaker 1>West side again. Yeah yeah, okay. Hispanic people, Mexican people, Latinos,

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<v Speaker 1>black people.

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<v Speaker 3>White people, Asian people say it all original agent other.

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<v Speaker 1>If you check that, we love you too, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>we we all in it together, all right. I just

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<v Speaker 1>wish everybody would feel that way they're gonna feel eventually.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Today's way Black History fact sponsored by Hip

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<v Speaker 1>Hop Weekly Media. This comes via biography dot com. How

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<v Speaker 1>Mahela Jackson's spark Martin Luther King juniors I have dream

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<v Speaker 1>speech Long before his famous nineteen sixty three speech in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the Lincoln Memorial, Doctor Martin Luther King Junior

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<v Speaker 1>had a dream. He talked about the dream that the

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<v Speaker 1>previous April at a sixteenth Street Baptist Church meeting in Birmingham, Alabama,

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<v Speaker 1>of quote seeing Negro boys and girls walking to school

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<v Speaker 1>with little white boys and girls playing in the parks

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<v Speaker 1>together and going swimming together. He continued that dream at

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<v Speaker 1>at Cobbole Hall speech in Detroit at Gobol Hall, Cobol

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<v Speaker 1>Cobo ha sorry speech in Detroit that June that he

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<v Speaker 1>hoped Negroes would be able to buy houses or rent

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<v Speaker 1>a house anywhere. Their money will carry them and they

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<v Speaker 1>will be able to get a job. So for his

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<v Speaker 1>biggest audience at the March on Washington, he didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>it was worth dwelling on the dream on that hot

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<v Speaker 1>summer's day in the nation's capital. In fact, the dream

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't mentioned in the notes that laid atop of the podium,

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<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't in the plans for that day. Then

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<v Speaker 1>gospel singer Mahelia Jackson, whose life was portrayed in the

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<v Speaker 1>Lifetime original movie Robin Roberts Presents Mahela, changed the entire

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<v Speaker 1>course of one of the most famous speeches in American history,

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<v Speaker 1>probably the most famous. I think I'd give it that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd give it that too, without hesitation. Jackson had grown

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<v Speaker 1>up singing in church from and found mainstream success, paiving

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<v Speaker 1>a path for gospel music outside of churches. As an

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<v Speaker 1>international star known as the Queen of Gospel Music, who

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<v Speaker 1>had sold out her Carnegie Hall concerts in New York City,

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<v Speaker 1>she attended the nineteen fifty six National Baptist Convention, where

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<v Speaker 1>she first met King. Soon King started asking her to

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<v Speaker 1>join him at civil rights events around the country. She

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<v Speaker 1>put her career and faith on the line, and both

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<v Speaker 1>of them prevailed. Jesse Jackson, who first encountered the singer

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen sixties, told NPR as the granddaughter of

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<v Speaker 1>an enslaved person, Jackson was committed to the movement, contributing

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<v Speaker 1>financially as well, quote I have hopes that my singing

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<v Speaker 1>will break down some of the hate and fear that

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<v Speaker 1>divide the white and black people in this country. She

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<v Speaker 1>had said that that mission was surely met. As Jesse

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<v Speaker 1>told NPR, quote, when there is no gap between what

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<v Speaker 1>you say and who you are, what you say and

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<v Speaker 1>what you believe, when you can express that in song,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all the more powerful. When it came time for

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<v Speaker 1>King to choose a singer perform at the Washington DC

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<v Speaker 1>March on Washington for Jobs and Reform, King quick returned

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<v Speaker 1>to Jackson. He requested that she sing the Black spiritual

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<v Speaker 1>song I've been bucked, Buked, Sorry, I've been buked and

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<v Speaker 1>I've been scorned, which she passionately performed to the more

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<v Speaker 1>than two hundred thousand people setting the tone. Understanding how

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<v Speaker 1>much was at stake with the speech, King had started

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<v Speaker 1>initial discussions about what he would say at the August

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<v Speaker 1>March back in the spring of nineteen sixty three. Even

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<v Speaker 1>with all that advance planning, twelve hours before the speech,

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<v Speaker 1>King still wasn't sure what he would say. Everyone had

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<v Speaker 1>a different take, saying that some felt it should have

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<v Speaker 1>an ideological and political reform take, while others felt it

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<v Speaker 1>should lean more toward a church sermon. With so many

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<v Speaker 1>different opinions, King asked his team to draft up an outline.

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<v Speaker 1>They came up with an opening analogy of African Americans

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<v Speaker 1>marching to Washington, d C. To redeem a promissory note

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<v Speaker 1>or check for justice, and no mention of a dream.

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<v Speaker 1>When the team gathered again, the group started debating further

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<v Speaker 1>about the elements that were missing, but King simply took

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<v Speaker 1>the notes and headed back to his room, leaving them

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<v Speaker 1>with I'm now going upstairs to my room the Council

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<v Speaker 1>with my Lord. On the day the now famous speech.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon after Jackson's rousing performance, Jones still didn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>King was about to say when he stepped up to

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<v Speaker 1>the podium, He started out with the bad check analogy

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<v Speaker 1>that Jones had written. When he finished the promissory note analogy,

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<v Speaker 1>he paused, and in that breach something unexpected, historic, and

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<v Speaker 1>largely unheralded happened. That was when Mahelia Jackson spontaneously shouted,

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<v Speaker 1>tell them about the dream, Martin, tell them about the dream.

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<v Speaker 1>At that moment, everything changed. Sure enough, King went completely

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<v Speaker 1>off the books. He was speaking spontaneously and extemporaneously, and

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<v Speaker 1>his whole body language shifted, became more relaxed. And then

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<v Speaker 1>some Baptist. As some Baptist preachers do, he would take

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<v Speaker 1>his right foot and started putting it up against his

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<v Speaker 1>left leg. Some preachers do that as they're talking, and

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<v Speaker 1>he began to preach. Inspired by those words Jackson from Jackson,

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<v Speaker 1>King turned his sorry. King turned back to the dream.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead of looking down at his notes, he spoke from

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<v Speaker 1>his heart, engraving that famous dream into the American history books.

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<v Speaker 1>I say to you today, my friends, even though we

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<v Speaker 1>face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have

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<v Speaker 1>a dream, he said. It is a dream deeply rooted

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<v Speaker 1>in the American dream. I have a dream that one

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<v Speaker 1>day this nation will rise up and live out the

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<v Speaker 1>true meaning of its creed. He hold these truths to

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<v Speaker 1>be self evident, that all men are created equal. Spoke

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<v Speaker 1>about the dream, the more people felt the message, and

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<v Speaker 1>now the speech itself is best known as the I

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<v Speaker 1>Have a Dream speech. Later on I can address the

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<v Speaker 1>impact of the moment. Quote. When I got to speak,

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<v Speaker 1>I was already happy unquote. He wrote to Jackson on

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<v Speaker 1>January tenth, nineteen sixty two. He continues, I couldn't help preaching.

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<v Speaker 1>Millions of people all over the country have said it

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<v Speaker 1>was my greatest hour. I do not know. But if

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<v Speaker 1>it was, you, more than any single person, helped to

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<v Speaker 1>make it so. In that same letter, he said he

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<v Speaker 1>said she was a blessing to me, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>a blessing to Negroes who have learned through her not

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<v Speaker 1>to be ashamed of their heritage. As for Jackson, it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't in her very nature. But what can we do

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<v Speaker 1>but help each other, she once said. In an interview,

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<v Speaker 1>She goes on, I don't go to these meetings that

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<v Speaker 1>do a lot of blah blah bline. If you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to blob put your money up there and do something,

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<v Speaker 1>and that she did so, I'll be honest I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know that. I know, I've never heard. That's never heard

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<v Speaker 1>in my life.

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<v Speaker 3>Shout out to a massive fan of Mahela Jackson and

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<v Speaker 3>of course of doctor Martin Luther King Junior.

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<v Speaker 1>Real quick, I need to say this, shout out to

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<v Speaker 1>Maggie Be known for untroving that jew, uncovering that gym.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been trying to tell you that listening be knowing

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<v Speaker 1>she does. Man, she knew this one, so listen. But wow,

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<v Speaker 1>very powerful and I think that this was perfect for

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<v Speaker 1>today's episode. I listen to black women, Marty Marr, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. And this nation should live up to its creed,

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<v Speaker 1>to its ideas, ideals, and at this I think that

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<v Speaker 1>this speech and this take on the speech, certainly, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just very emotional. It's such a hurtful thing to be

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<v Speaker 1>from California to hear that lady say that stuff. That

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<v Speaker 1>was very hurtful for me. And I'm proud of myself

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<v Speaker 1>for having made it through it. So we'll leave it

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<v Speaker 1>right there. How about that? What a heavy show? Man?

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<v Speaker 1>Aren't they always? They are always? But man, that like

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<v Speaker 1>La that's home. I mean, we you know how there's

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<v Speaker 1>certain things that hold up your world, like Hey man, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>we got each other. You know. We got to teach

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<v Speaker 1>these folks, you know, but we got each other. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>When that gets rattled, it's a little scary, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. But we'll make it. And we are

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<v Speaker 1>walking our path and we hope that you are walking

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<v Speaker 1>our path with us or walking your path toward the

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<v Speaker 1>same goal. With that said, thank you for listening to

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah think sure we had to live.

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<v Speaker 2>These brothers are fabulous, o our lady showing you where

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<v Speaker 2>ROMB travel this who speak to you from sunlight to move,

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<v Speaker 2>busting on stage like gonna fight, suppose throw my mic

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<v Speaker 2>back and like that jonal list with journalist too. We

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<v Speaker 2>can strike back all corb borders with waters from head,

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<v Speaker 2>borders behind in the beline sides up and the borders

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<v Speaker 2>the press pass.

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<v Speaker 1>We bring it to you as it happens the streets.

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<v Speaker 1>Love popped him from music.

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<v Speaker 2>Your rapping the street compared the slash we expando. You're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna fight the slander with the proper propaganda.

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<v Speaker 1>What's happening, It's happen. You've got a questions to ask,

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<v Speaker 1>you deduce, It's just a TV show. You're past it.

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<v Speaker 2>And this from a wife wartime journalist headlines wait, God,

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<v Speaker 2>previs and resist like this, like this, like this, like

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<v Speaker 2>we kick fine dance accident