1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: He's trying to conceive of it, girl Boss noised, No, 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: I'm trying. There's trying to think of something that's about 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: like Italian racism, um and how we should all be 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: racist against Italians um because now it's important. Um oh hi, 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: welcome to it could happen here the show where we're 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: talking about anti Italian racism um and and also girl 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: Bosses finally to two great tastes that go great together. 8 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: So like mixing peanut butter and piss. That's right, the 9 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: piss being Italians. Girl Boss. I usually don't say things 10 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: that are that obvious, but yes, with me today is 11 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: Chris James and Robert I'm Garrison, and we're talking about 12 00:00:54,120 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: girl boss fascism today. Um and uh, it's are we 13 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: going to say Georgia? Is that how we're going to 14 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: do it? Is that how we're going to say her name? Georgia? 15 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: But I don't know George Georgia Milani, Georgia Milani, Georgia 16 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: Milani Atly's new prime Minister, Gia Milan. That's what I 17 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: was waiting for. You put some Italian on it. Yeah, 18 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: spice up that meat a ball. So since since she's 19 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: been the head of the Brothers of Italy Party, which 20 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: is funny because what I think of the Brothers of Italy, 21 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: I just think of Mario and Luigi. Obviously, that's there, 22 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: that's what most people think. So but Marco and Luigi 23 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: also fascists, so well, they're monarchists. Yeah, they're monarchists. They 24 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:52,559 Speaker 1: specifically served Princess So so Bowser, who's the girl boss 25 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: is Bowser is your standard issue left wing polit bureau 26 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: chief type leader. Whereas what Mario and Luigi are doing, 27 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: like Mussolini is installing a royal in power, is taking 28 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: its Essentially every Mario game is recreating the March on Rome. 29 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: I have like ten pages to get through. Stol come 30 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: into it. So its for the head of the Brothers 31 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: of Italy Party, a party with direct lineage from the 32 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: fascist Italian Social Movement, and Melani herself has been on 33 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 1: camera praising figures like Mussolini, uh and until very recently 34 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: the Brothers of Italy Party, besides being a very pro 35 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: plumbing we're we're pretty on the we're pretty on the 36 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: fridges of Italian volunteer. Just four years ago, the party 37 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: won only four percent of the votes in the last election, 38 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: and now it's become Italy's largest political party, claiming the 39 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: greatest percentage of the vote in the last month's election. 40 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: So today we're gonna talk about UH Millennia is what 41 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: what she believes, what she kind of what what her 42 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: rhetoric is, and then also the types of how the 43 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: types of ways that media has been framing her relation 44 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: to fascism, because there's definitely been this perception that like 45 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: liberal feminists and mainstream media have been kind of soft 46 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: on Melanie because she's the first woman prime minister of 47 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: Italy UM and they have they've kind of framed her 48 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: ascension to power and like a girl boss, go get 49 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: it sort of way, and have been downplaying her more 50 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: fascist views. So we're gonna talk about kind of where 51 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: this perception comes from, the few ways where it's kind 52 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: of correct, and some of the ways where it's I 53 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: think a little off base. To start off with this, 54 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: one of the kind of one of the biggest things 55 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: that UH pushed this perception into the forefront was a 56 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: tweet from Political Europe accompanying an article now that this 57 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: this tweet, sorry, thank you, thank you, UM And because 58 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: I hate basing our research off of things that are 59 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: just on Twitter. This tweet has been referenced a lot 60 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: on like television, UM on like news, and like News 61 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: TV has been using this tweet a lot as well. 62 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: This is this kind of shaped the way that discussions 63 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: happening on a national stage, even off Twitter. Um but 64 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: the tweet. The tweet reads in a fifteen year old 65 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: school girl went to join her local branch of the 66 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,679 Speaker 1: far right Youth Front in Rome. The all male group 67 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: of radicals met her with amusement. Thirty years later, Georgia 68 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,799 Speaker 1: Milani is now on course to become Italy's first female 69 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: prime minister. So the way that frameor works is like, yeah, 70 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,679 Speaker 1: this this little girl wanted to join her Nazi club 71 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: and it was and now she's finally private minister, the 72 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: first one. And so yes, obviously this is very cringe 73 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: e um not not great framing. A lot of good 74 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: girl Hitler jokes, even picked up presidents. Listen, I'm no really, 75 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: I'm happy Wow a girl president. How progressive? And so 76 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: takes venture brothers Uh no uncritical support, it's just just 77 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: support to venture brothers. Um. So takes like like that, 78 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: like what like what we just heard a dean of 79 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: ventures say? Kind of kind of spawned a big slew 80 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: of of comments. You know, I'm just gonna read, read, 81 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: read some of the stuff that the people have been 82 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: saying in response to stuff like that Political Europe a 83 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: piece quote begging liberals to stop praising girl Bossellini for 84 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: being brave enough to shatter the glass ceiling in the 85 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: neo fascist parties she's joined, and like, why is media 86 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: treating this as a freaking girl boss story? The girl 87 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: bossification of Georgia mL has been interesting to watch. Liberals 88 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: will literally stand anybody. So there's a lot of a 89 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: lot of takes like that have been have been have 90 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: been going around. There's there's been extremely viral viral tweets 91 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: getting hundreds of thousands of of likes, thousands of thousands 92 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: retweets and shares, stuff getting referenced on national TV all 93 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,559 Speaker 1: kind of about this, you know, people complaining the takes 94 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: from Political Europe and and other other kind of various 95 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: soft headlines emphasizing the girl boss nature being like the 96 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: sweet little girl defies the odds and grows up to 97 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: be the first female Mussolini. So, like, some of these 98 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: jokes are pretty funny. I think I think they're they're funny. Um, 99 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: they're fine. There's oh. Probably the worst one of these 100 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: takes that I found that still got hundreds of retweets 101 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: and thousands of likes was quote the American right and 102 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: the American left. The aesthetics are different, but the effect 103 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: is the same. Porch for the rising tide of fascism. 104 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: Communists are the only people now as in the past, 105 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: who truly opposed fashion fare for fox sake is true 106 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: for those of you following along time. No, yeah, there 107 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: was a terrible Megan McCain tweet, which is very funny 108 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: because people definitely wish we'll talk about the Megan McCain 109 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: can't wait I have, Yes, well, we'll talk about our 110 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: good friend Megan McCain. But yeah, so you know Italy's 111 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: Italy elected their first female Mussolini. Um in a remarkable 112 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: victory for both girl power and diversity in politics and people. People. Uh, 113 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: people had some good japes. So the other the other 114 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: kind of big thing that caused this perception that that 115 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: like that, like the liberals will literally stand anybody. The 116 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: other big thing I kind of caused that was, uh, 117 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: some viral quotes from Hillary Clinton, uh talking talking about 118 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: the the rule of of women in politics and referencing Milani. 119 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: So some remarks from Hillary Clinton published in Italy last September. 120 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: I think it was that. I think it was that 121 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: like the Venice of Film Festival. Actually, um So, some 122 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: some quotes from an interview that she gave at the 123 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: Venice Film Festival went viral. Um mostly because tweets included 124 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: to two small clips of of these quotes when she 125 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: was talking about both women in politics and uh, Georgie, George, Gia, Georgia, 126 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: You're doing great, buddy. Multiple viral tweets circulated, mostly with 127 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: two short quotes from Clinton getting the majority of attention, saying, quote, 128 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: the election of the first woman prime minister in a 129 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: country always represents a break with the past and is 130 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: certainly a good thing unquote, and a second quote being 131 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: every time a woman is elected to head of state 132 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: or government that is a step forward unquote. Um. Obviously, 133 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: those takes, in anough of themselves, not very good. I 134 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: don't think there's a good opinions. UM. Shocking, shocking that 135 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: we are going to criticize the statement from Hillary Clinton. 136 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: This is this is rare for us. Um. It's you know, 137 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: it's it's I'm I'm surprised as well. But um, these 138 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: kind of are slightly cherry picked from a larger section 139 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: of this interview discussing women in government and how the 140 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: far right is starting to use tokenized women to uphold 141 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 1: patriarchy and conservatism. So the first quote is taken from 142 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: this from a translation of an interview that that that 143 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: Clinton did at the Venice Film Festival in September, prior 144 00:09:55,080 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: to Mlanni's apparent victory in the Italian elections in September. 145 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: So she'd do it in Italian. She speak Italian, you know, 146 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: but it was only published in Italian, so we're translating 147 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: from Italian back into English, double translation. But the so 148 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: in a section of the interview talking about the increase 149 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: of women in governmental leadership, Roles, a translation from her 150 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: remarks in the larger section of this interview reads, quote, 151 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: the election of the first woman prime minister in a 152 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: country always represents a break with the past and is 153 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: certainly a good thing. But then, as with any leader, 154 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: woman or man, she must be judged by what she does. 155 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: I never agreed with Margaret Thatcher, but I admired her 156 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: determination clearly than the ideas are voted for. I admired 157 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: her determinating stamp on the neck of the working class. 158 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: Funck Off also does does she really oppose Margaret Thatcher's policies. Yeah, 159 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if I believe that 160 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: one that lady is dead in the world is better 161 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: for it and girl power, Yes, of course. Do you 162 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: think she effectively uti let grow power by funneling money 163 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: to illegal paramilitary des squads in Northern Ireland? I don't 164 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: know about that. There's this thing that you get with 165 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: like people talking about all of these ghouls where and 166 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 1: it's specifically like a centrist thing where it's like, well, 167 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: certain things are just admirable traits, no matter about who 168 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: has them, and you can admire that trade. And it's like, no, 169 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: it's it's not like there were a lot of men 170 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: in the SS who you know, we're we're willing to 171 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: do things that you would call brave, but it doesn't 172 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: mean you have to consider them admirable. I think you 173 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: don't have to have respect for you don't have to 174 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: hand into the Nazis exactly like just certain people. Yeah, yeah, 175 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: the contribution to the world is bad. You can stop 176 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: stop that uger Thatcher being a good example. I have 177 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: kind of the same thoughts on the inclusion of Todet 178 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: inside the new Mario Kart games. It's just really it's 179 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: it's just your signifying it, but it's not actually a 180 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: step forward for the toad race. It's um So. In 181 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: the next section of the interview, Clinton also has come 182 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: out against work mario'cut. The next section, Clinton also acknowledges 183 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: a conservative women politicians role in upholding patriarchal government, saying, quote, 184 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: women on the right are protected by patriarchy because they 185 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: are often the first to support the fundamental pillars of 186 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: male power and privilege. Today in America, the right wing 187 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: leaders are very much against abortion. Um So, she she 188 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: did like it was part of this section talking about 189 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 1: how women who are on the right and are running 190 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: is concerned of politicians actually support all of the all 191 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: the things that keep patriarchy alive and blah blah blah 192 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. Well, it's it's true centrism, right. 193 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: It's half of a good take and half of a 194 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: terrible exactly exactly so so yeah, so our snippets of 195 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: her comments embarrassing rewomen being a break from the past 196 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: always been a good thing. Yes, most certainly. M Are 197 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 1: they taken out of context enough to change the scope 198 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: of what's being said? I suppose that's the subjective. Um. 199 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: But I just thought that's interesting that there was very 200 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: select few quotes that were getting a whole bunch of traction, 201 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: and her larger statements are actually slightly more interesting. Article. 202 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: Don't don't do the Alex Jones ship of getting mad 203 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: at a headline? Yeah, six seconds, Like, come on, people, 204 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: you have to be better than this. And I think still, 205 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: you know, I see the same thing whenever I'm playing 206 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: Mario Sunshine and there's the graffiti. Um, you can you 207 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: can get mad at just saying it's the graffiti all over? Definitely, 208 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: no pasa. You can get mad about that. But once 209 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: you actually start learning how Bowser Jr. Was treated as 210 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: a kid, it's it's there's actually more, there's more that 211 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: you actually can understand about what's going on and what 212 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: leads to that behavior from Bowser Jr. Very identifiable. Everybody 213 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: understands those references. Garrett, good work. Yeah. I just want 214 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: to say that there is only one square in Italy 215 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: that matters, and that is piet Saliretto. And you can 216 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: you can google it. I just I love the juxtaposition 217 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: of Garrison struggling over every single word that's in the 218 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood of Italy, and then James just perfectly saying, 219 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: some fucking Italian ship. My Italian is bad. My Italian 220 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: comes exclusively. Your Italian is much better than anyone else. 221 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: Here's maybe I know I swear, I swear other managed 222 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: bandex is. I know a couple of curse words from 223 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: watching my uncle's play pool when I was a kid. 224 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: But that's about all I've got. I rely on that 225 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: hand gesture, which works very well, and hand gestures are 226 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: eight percent of Italian. Yeah, yes, it's true. Okay, So now, 227 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: having now exhausted every conceivable Italian joke, we could proceed 228 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: with the spirit. We can actually proceed with an ad break. 229 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: Do you do you know what else is in supportive 230 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: anti Italian racism? Who won't kill miss Lenian hang him 231 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: upside down in a square? I mean probably the current 232 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: Prime Minister of Yeah, that's true. Also probably these advertisers. Okay, 233 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: and we are back. So there was there has been 234 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: this kind of perception that the media kind of by 235 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: and large dropped the ball on this one, and this 236 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: element was pretty widespread among leftists that the kind of 237 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: there was a lot of emphasis on the the breaking 238 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: the fascist glass of ceiling and less on the fascist part. 239 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: There was even people like the MSNBC hosts Meddi Hassan 240 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: who ran a whole segment on his show about kind 241 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: of mainstream liberal media, let's downplaying the fascistic elements of 242 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: milani uh in headlines in favor of the girl power angle. 243 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: What's been so depressing. It's to see so much of 244 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: the quote unquote liberal media, the mainstream media, the m 245 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: s M giving a pass to Maloney or playing down 246 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: on her and her party's fascist roots, focusing more on 247 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: the fact that she's female and less on the fact 248 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: that she's you know, fascistic. That has been deeply, deeply 249 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: depressing to see. There was the Washington Post headline, Georgia 250 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: Maloney could become Italy's first female prime minister. Here's what 251 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: to know. Now, here's what you wouldn't know from that headline. 252 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: You wouldn't know that she has ties to fascism, but hey, 253 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: she's female. There was the headline in the Financial Times. 254 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: We can pull that up as well. Likely victory for 255 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: Italian right portends risks, but no lurch into extremism. Don't worry, 256 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: no lurch to extremism, even though they just elected card 257 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: carrying extremists. But still hers is a heartwarming tale, isn't it? 258 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: I kid you not? This was the tweet from Political Europe. 259 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: Let's pull up the tweet from Political Europe. In July nine, 260 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: a fifteen year old school girl rang the doorbell at 261 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: a local branch of the Youth Front, a far right 262 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: movement in Rome, and asked to be let in this 263 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: weekend that same schoolgirl could become Italy's next prime minister. Wow, 264 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: forget the fascism, forget the fascism, focus on the inspiration there. 265 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: Then there was this op ed in the New York Times, 266 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: Georgia Maloney is extreme, but she's no tyrant. Well that's 267 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: all right. Then, at least she's not a tyrant. There 268 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: was this OpEd in The Atlantic, which argued that the 269 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: most immediate concern about Italy's new government is not any 270 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: threat to the country's democratic institution. Still less a return 271 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: to fascism. Did you notice a trend? Yet It's not 272 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: as bad as you think. This isn't really fascism, So 273 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: we'll we'll talk a bit more about media coverage of 274 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: Milani's election in a bit and how I think some 275 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: people are kind of desperate to see the stupid Democrat 276 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: Libs shill for fascism trope, especially with the whole girl 277 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: buss thing that they actually kind of miss how the 278 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: framing of Milanni's fascist ties has been perceived on a 279 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: broad scale. But first I want to get into who 280 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: she actually is, what her views are, and what her 281 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: election means. So it leaves a home. Italy is home 282 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: to sixty million people well with Robin, and it's continental 283 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: Europe's third largest economy. When it comes to the actual election, 284 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: the right wing coalition that Melani led one around of 285 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: the vote, with Melani's Brothers of Italy party getting around 286 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: twenty for the Senate race. So in all around three 287 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: out of four voters did not vote for Melani and 288 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: one in three didn't even vote at all, no surprise there, 289 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: But overall that means like only one in six Italian 290 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: adults voted for the Brothers of Italy party. Uh, and 291 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: that that does that does make them the biggest party 292 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: in the new parliament, but it's long term legitimacy is 293 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: still kind of in question because she was leading a 294 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: larger right wing block, but the but the actual party 295 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: that she's in and leads got like the vote, so 296 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: it's it's right, it's I think that's an important perspective 297 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: on like how long she'll actually stay in power. Italian 298 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: politics are kind of known for their kind of residing 299 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: government not lasting very long. There's there's usually a pretty 300 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: high like turnover rate, so we'll see. Um, yeah, they 301 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: it's an interesting composition right of like like moderate moderate 302 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: ish right wing people and then like some more hardcore 303 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: like no that it's the people who used to be 304 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: the League of the North, I think of the second 305 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: largest party, so it's not like a homogeneous block that 306 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: she's in charge of. Be kind of interesting to see 307 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: how they hold together. Yeah, and I think Melanie can 308 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: be an example of what political scientists called gender washing, 309 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: when when female politicians adopt a non threatening image to 310 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: blunt the force of their extremism. I think you can 311 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: see this as well with Daisy inside Mario Kart for 312 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: the for the Wei, extremely brutal character play style, very brawley, 313 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: but you know she acts very nice and that. Yeah, 314 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: she's just like just powers through other other carts on 315 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: the track. Um and it's it's It leads to this 316 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: slightly war perception of what Daisy actually does. Um So 317 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: and Melanie's signature look involves flowing outfits and pastel shades, 318 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: kind of like Princess Peach um and uninformed foreigners. Her 319 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: asthetic could look like female empowerment. She poses as like 320 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: a defender of women, even though her party has rolled 321 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: back women's rights. Just like in uh the two US 322 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: and six Princess Peach game, she was did brutal suppression 323 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: of protests around them ushroom Kingdom. So. David Broder, author 324 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: of Mussolini's Grandchildren, Fascism and Contemporary Italy, wrote in Political 325 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: Europe Get Funny. It's a very different take from Political 326 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: Europe and this one uh quote. Milani owes much more 327 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: to the moderate forces in what Italians call the center 328 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: right Alliance. They've allowed her the opportunity to present herself 329 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: as part of the main stream, not just because she's 330 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: been softening her policies, at least in presentation, but also 331 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: because the center right politicians jumping on her bandwag and 332 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: has given her of an eer of respectability and credibility. Um. 333 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: You can see this in Super Passionatest Brawl when Warrio 334 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: shows up a biker outfit, not wearing the regular Italian 335 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: uniform and they just let him play like Mario Luigi 336 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: are wearing their proper outfit and Warrior just like showed 337 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,719 Speaker 1: up in like like a leather jacket and like ripped shorts. 338 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: That's not okay, but it gave him the veneer of respectability. 339 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: But because others allowed it to take place kind of 340 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: kind of the same thing here with Milani. At the 341 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: same time, attempts by the main like center left rivals 342 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: to make the election about this kind of ghost of 343 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: fascism uh spreading again through Milani have proved unsuccessful. Voters 344 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: by enlarged and did not buy the narrative kind of 345 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: that that the left was trying to push that Milanni 346 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: was this reincarnation of fascism. They just it just that 347 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: that they were not. They were not convinced enough to 348 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: affect the election results in any in any meaningful way. Um. 349 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: Same way, Nintendo is not convinced that putting Walluiji in 350 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: the new Smash Bros. Will actually lead to more people 351 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: buying the game. Italian essayist Roberto Slavinio wrote, quote, the 352 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: far right can succeed in Italy because the left has failed, 353 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: exactly as in much of the world, to offer credible 354 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 1: visions or strategies. The left asks people to vote against 355 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: the right, but it lacks the political vision or an 356 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: economic alternative. And I think these are all the kind 357 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: of factors that actually led Milani to win this election. 358 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: Should we talk a little bit about the sort of 359 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: democratic party like five Star Alliance things? That was sure 360 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: if you want to do like t ld R on 361 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: that that would be great. So alright, long ago in 362 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: a galaxy far far away, Italy had a very very 363 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: large and powerful left um and then when the Soviet 364 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: Union fell so that they had the Communist Party. The 365 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: Comunist Party was like one of the most powerful communist 366 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 1: parties in the world. That wasn't like a sort of 367 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: like dictorial ruling party. But when the Soviet, like when 368 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: the USSR felt it like voted dissolve, itself basically became 369 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, and all of their sort of militant 370 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: like much of the militants basically turned into Libs, and 371 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, and the Italian left like hell 372 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: together for kind of a long time after that because 373 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: they had you know that there's there there's a very 374 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: long tradition is sort of an extra parliamentary left and 375 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: like tartically an anarchist left in Italy, but like the 376 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: modern I don't know, it's kind of a ship show 377 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: like in in terms of actual party politics, like there's 378 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: a there was this thing called the Five Stars Movements, 379 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 1: which was like kind of like basically AstroTurf by Abilionaire. 380 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: It was just like very weird, very like early two 381 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: thousand tens party that was like doing the whole sort 382 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: of like we're going to do direct democracy by like 383 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: online polls things. It has just like really weird mish 384 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: match like the main social Democratic for us. Yeah, well 385 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: sort of, but like they're very weird, like like I 386 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: don't know, you'll you'll get things from them, like okay, 387 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: we want like like they're they're not a normal social 388 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: democratic party right there, closing to like the Pirate Party, 389 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: but like way weirder. Like so you you'll you'll you'll 390 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: get people in this party who are like you know, 391 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: who who were who are like you know, sort of 392 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: like old school like like leftist militants. Because this is 393 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: where sort of like the energy was going right, but 394 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: also like there's like anti vaxers in it. It was 395 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: just it was just really weird iological like sort of mishmash. 396 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: And then when they sort of got into power, like 397 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: none of these people have ever been in politics before, 398 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: and so like you know, you'd get someone who was 399 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: like the head of garbage collection, right, who's from this party, 400 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: and they have no fucking idea how to collect garbage, right, 401 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: and it was it's it's this real ship show because 402 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: like you know, and then you have the Democratic Party, 403 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: which are basically sort of just like lib hacks at 404 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: this point. And this meant that, like you know, and 405 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 1: they eventually sort of aligned with each other to try 406 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: to keep like other like fascist basically like right wing 407 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: groups out of power. But they like they also they 408 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: also like had an alliance for a little bit with 409 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: one of the right wing parties. It's it's an incredibly 410 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 1: like bizarre story ends like honestly like deserves like its 411 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: own episode one day. But yeah, yeah, they're they're very weird. 412 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: They're not in effective left thing at all. They're just 413 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: very very sort of like mishmash, confused populist thing, and 414 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: it didn't like they yeah, like they definitely did not 415 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: sort of like succeed in preventing an alternative, etcetera, etcetera. 416 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: It was, I don't know, kind of a disaster. Yeah, 417 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: Italy's like it's worth noting as well. I think that, 418 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: like anti fascism is, it is sort of baked in 419 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: to the myth of the Italian Republic, right, like the 420 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: that's what the republic rests are, that's where it comes from. 421 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: That's creation myth. But like much in the same way 422 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: as people living in the United States will be familiar 423 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: with how these creation miss kind of lose all relevancy 424 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: apart from some kind of totemic, meaning like their repetition 425 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: has some kind of linked to that, but they don't 426 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: really have any any value in the contemporary discourse in 427 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: terms of animating and the way people act. I think 428 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: you could say that that's happened in Italy, right Like 429 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: people talk about people in institutions talk about anti fascism 430 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: as where they come from and its foundational to it 431 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: leaves democracy, But it's been so subsumed into structures of 432 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: power that it that institutional discussion of anti fascism has 433 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: lost its relevance from like the street fighting, like anti 434 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 1: fascism that created the Republic in the first place, So 435 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: that concept is kind of defunct along with like Italian 436 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: liberals have always walked hand in hand with like fish 437 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: and interests and the right wing right, like from even 438 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: previous to fascism, like there was a quote unquote liberal monarchy, right, 439 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: So Italian liberalism isn't necessarily this anti authoritarian force. It 440 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: was briefly like it got made to be briefly by 441 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: the organized working class movement, but it hasn't been and 442 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: it's going back to not being. Yeah, I mean, I 443 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: think I now think we should may as well get 444 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: into milani is actual like views and what she actually 445 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: believes in this passes, which you mean, what she actually 446 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: believes in this pass is maybe slightly different things. Um, 447 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: but we'll we'll, we'll at least at least start. So 448 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: Milani's party, the Brothers of Italy Party, was formed to 449 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,479 Speaker 1: quote carry forth the spirit and legacy unquote of the 450 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: Italian Social Movement or the m s I the end, 451 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: and the the m s I is the descendant of 452 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: Mussolini's National Fascist Party. It's it's it's like a has 453 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: a direct lineage. They even have the flame, right, they 454 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: are still using the same logo, which is the flame 455 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: on his tomb. I think that's where it comes from, 456 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: right Yeah. So uh Milani has said that quote LGBT 457 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: lobbies are out there to harm the women and and 458 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 1: they're and they're attacking the family by destroying gender identity. Um. 459 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: She's made statements about George Soros, calling him an international speculator. 460 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: More on more on that. In the sec UH he 461 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: says that that that Soros finances global mass immigration that 462 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: threatens a great replacement of white native born Italians. Um. 463 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: Milani shows affinity for other kind of authoritarian strong men, 464 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: like the the the marine Lee Penn who's the leader 465 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: of the of the National Rally Party in France. So 466 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: strong woman and that's not a man. It's part of 467 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: this section on strong men, like political political strong men. 468 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: She's she's she's previously supported as Joe Rogan taught me, 469 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: Garrison strong times, mega hard men and also what I've 470 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: learned from Matt Well, she's what is a woman? So yeah, 471 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: strong man. But like Malani's previously supported Putin, although she's 472 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: kind of lowered that enthusiasm since the invasion of Ukraine. 473 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: She has she does have a pro Ukraine position on 474 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: that publicly, um but she's expressed kind of affinity for 475 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: the types of other fascist leaders across Europe. We've see 476 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,719 Speaker 1: in Sweden, we've see in Poland, we've seen Hungary's kind 477 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: of aligned aligned herself with some of some of that 478 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: kind of trend inside of Europe. Milani wants to ban 479 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: same sex couples from adopting children and possibly dissolved same 480 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: sex couples legal parentage for the children that they've already adopted. 481 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: Her party has sought to ban a cartoon featuring a 482 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: bear with two mothers, arguing that kids should not be 483 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: seeing same sex adoption as natural or normal because it's 484 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: not um so basic kind of right wings censorship of 485 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: materials that they don't like. I don't think children should 486 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: be allowed to watch cartoons with bears in them. Okay, 487 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: good for you. It's going to reduce their readiness when 488 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: it becomes time to fight the bears. But Milannia also 489 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: wants to ban gay Italians from traveling elsewhere for surrogacy. 490 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: Um so like so like they can't they can't leave 491 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: the country to get to get like to have them 492 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: become parents and return less like it's it's this, it's this, 493 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: it's this whole whole thing. I'm gonna read a quote 494 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: from Ruth bend Guite, a professor of history and Italian 495 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: studies at New York University. Quote, since she has tweeted 496 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: repeatedly that Italian identity is being deliver really erased by 497 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: globalists such as Soros and European Union officials who have 498 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: conspired to unleash quote uncontrollable mass migration. Um. So normal 499 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: normal stuff there and more on so so in in 500 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: a in a speech, in a few speeches, and repeatedly 501 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: she refers to financial speculators and has called people like 502 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: George Soros an international speculator. Um. And you know when 503 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: when she says, uh, financial speculators, I don't think she 504 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: actually means just people who speculated about finances. I think 505 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: she means something slightly different. Michael bench Laws, who is 506 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: kind of history political person who works for NBC MSNBCPPS, 507 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: had a really good, uh thread on on this, and 508 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: I think it's important, like this is this is a 509 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: mainstream media guy, like this is not coming from and 510 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: t FA one six one on Twitter this is like 511 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: coming from like like in terms of like mainstream media 512 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: actually talking about this. Uh quote. The new Italian Prime 513 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,239 Speaker 1: Minister says that quote, we will never be slaves at 514 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: the mercy of financial speculators sounds just like nineteen thirties 515 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: in Italy and Germany. Uh No, thanks for the memories 516 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: Mussolini enjoyed publicly referring to Jewish people as financial speculators 517 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: who needed to be controlled. When a fascist leader speaks, 518 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: whether it be in Europe or America, never brush aside 519 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: what you are hearing as meaningless rhetoric. Do not fail 520 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: to learn from the history of the nineteen thirties. History 521 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: of the nineteen shows us that fascist leaders in the 522 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: United States have been very eager to link us and 523 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: pool resources, often in secret, with fascist leaders in Europe. 524 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,959 Speaker 1: Monitor carefully and beware, and please never take it at 525 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: face value when and if fascist leaders in America and 526 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: Europe tell you that they have no personal or political 527 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: animists towards Jews or other mino any groups in society. 528 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: Too many examples in history tells us the opposite. Unquote. 529 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: So that is like you know, regular MSNBC NBC people 530 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: being like hey, when she says this thing she reads 531 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: Jews should should should. We also talk about like the 532 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: way parts of like the left on Twitter reacted to this, 533 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: and also the sort of history of like how some 534 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: people were like, oh wow, she's calling out the capitalists. 535 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: That's not a lot of this is like you guys 536 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: are maybe the doubt people who have ever lived like 537 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: she immediately like acted the know she like, this is 538 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: the same thing we see with people like like Dugan 539 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: even right what she's saying, She's not saying that, you know, 540 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: international capital is bad because it hurts the poor people 541 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: or workers. She's she's mad about it because it's because 542 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: it's a threat to traditional identities. It's it's it's it's 543 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: a threat to the way that you want the the 544 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: idea of the family, it's the way it's it's it's 545 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: it's threatening all of these things that are about your 546 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: like god, family, country, brotherhood, ship. It's not about actual 547 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 1: poor people, working class people at all. That's not that's 548 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: not what it is. It's it's not a good criticism 549 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: of capitalist modernity just to just to propose another form 550 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: of more like authoritarian capitalist modernity. It's it's, it's it's 551 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: not it's not good. Um, the original fascists in Italy 552 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: did the same thing when they denounced like British um placrats. 553 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: It's just it's it's not it's not the it's not 554 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: a good critique of capitalists of well, and we should 555 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: point out to that. Like like so Mateo Savini, who 556 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: was like the former like he basically until the selection, 557 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: he was like the guy he was in charge of 558 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: the right wing. Like he he's a guy who got 559 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,479 Speaker 1: like arrested basically for trying to sink a migrant boat. 560 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: Like so that's actually this guys, he sucks um And 561 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: but he he would do this like pft more expeciitly. 562 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: He would you know, like specifically used Marxist terminal need 563 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: to push right wing stuff. So he he he had 564 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,479 Speaker 1: a speech where he talked about like the reserve army 565 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: of labor, which is that this concept of Marxism that's 566 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: about like basically Mark Mark is arguing that like, like 567 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: capitalism inherently produces this like quote unquote like reserve army 568 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: of labor, like industrial army of labor, which is like 569 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: an enormous mass of people who are unemployed. You've been 570 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: spit out of the labor process, and you know, okay, 571 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: and like and and and and like Mark Marx is 572 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: like Marx is pro these people, which is the very 573 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: important thing. He's like, these people are part of the pouletariat, 574 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: but they've been spit out of like like the capital 575 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: wage relation to spit them out. And they're yeah, they're 576 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: they're they're they're to sort of like regulate like wages 577 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: and stuff happens. But also they're people who have just 578 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: been sort of like disfranchise, et etcetera. Salvini when he 579 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: talks about the reserve army of labor specifically, is like 580 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: there is a reserve army of labor. Uh. These people 581 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: are immigrants to North Africa and like the like the 582 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: elites are like shipping these people into Italy to like 583 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 1: destroy your jobs. And it is it is again very 584 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: very important that you understand. This is what he like 585 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: when he's using the marks term, he is using it. 586 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: He is using it marks racism and not like Mark's 587 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: anti capitalism. And you you need to be able to 588 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: tell what difference between these two things, because yeah, like 589 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: especially in time poltics like this this is the thing 590 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: that happens, like people people will use like even literally 591 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: explicitly stuff that is from Marx, but they will use 592 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: it to be like we need to like machine gun 593 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: every like boat of small children trying to fite Libya. 594 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: Like it's like cherry yeah, cherry picking these these bits 595 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,959 Speaker 1: of Marxism and arranging them into a racist as fuck 596 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: college that you used to justify your bagotry. It's fashion. 597 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: It did that the first time, it's doing it again then. 598 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: And the other thing that kind of that is that's notable. 599 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: In case people have not have not seen it. There's 600 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: been uh lots of video going around of of Melani 601 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: openly praising um Mussolini, saying, quote, I believe MUSSLINI was 602 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: a good politician. Everything he did he did for Italy 603 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: and they have been no other politicians like him in 604 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: the past fifty years. That now. These interviews all come 605 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 1: from the mid nineties. She has since said that her 606 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: opinions on Mussolini have changed. She has nuts she has 607 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: not said what her opinions have changed to she changed, 608 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: but this was this was These interviews all come from 609 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,760 Speaker 1: when she was when she was a young plucky girl 610 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 1: getting into the boy's Nazi club of and leading the 611 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,320 Speaker 1: youth wing of a fascist party founded by veterans of 612 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,879 Speaker 1: Musolini's dictatorship. UM. Since since her her own modern party, 613 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: the Brothers of Italy, which was again started emerged from 614 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: the fascist National Alliance, which grew out of the Italian 615 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,240 Speaker 1: Social Movement, which was founded by Mussolini regime officials. UM, 616 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: and she still uses the same logo for her current 617 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 1: Mario Luigian Sorry Brothers of Italy party. UM. So yeah, 618 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: let's have let's have one more ad break and then 619 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: we'll talk about how mainstream media has been talking about 620 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: the new girl Boss Mussolini and we are back. Oh, 621 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,720 Speaker 1: I'm so excited. I'm so excited. So we're actually gonna talk. 622 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: I'm first gonna read some stuff from the intercept, just 623 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: not I would not say is actually mainstream media. It's 624 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 1: a little bit outside of that. But it sets a 625 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: good stage for the rest of the stuff that we 626 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: will be talking about, which actually is dealing with how 627 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: mainstream media has been framing uh Milani's election. So quote, 628 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: the media got this right much of the time, giving 629 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,320 Speaker 1: predominant building to Melanie's fall right nationalism, but numerous English 630 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: language headlines focused solely on her being Italy's first woman 631 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 1: prime minister is tempting to say that her position as 632 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 1: a woman leader should be considered irrelevant given her and 633 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: her parties via anti immigrant, nationalist, racist, anti l g 634 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 1: B t Q plus policies, but ignoring her womanhood misses 635 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: some crucial points about her political ideology. Being a woman, 636 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: a white woman that is, is not in conflict with 637 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 1: Milanni's fascism. White supremacy has always relied on active enforcement 638 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: by white women, especially when it comes to upholding racist, 639 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: po nationalist narratives. So yeah, I think that that's that's 640 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: that's a good stage for kind of how every other 641 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,879 Speaker 1: headline and article we're going to talk about here. Let's 642 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,959 Speaker 1: start with The Guardian. The Guardian ran a piece saying, quote, 643 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: the election of Italy's fascist adjacent Georgia Milani is a 644 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: public reminder that women can be just as awful as men. 645 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: That's a good headline. And this was was was this 646 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,319 Speaker 1: was the Guardian to us the Guardian UK. This was 647 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: Guardian UK. Yeah, fashionist and this and this article was 648 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: Jeff Guardian and this this article is actually directly in 649 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: opposition to Australia's a Sky News headline Georgia. Milani is 650 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: not a fascist. Um this is this is just directly 651 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 1: in opposition to this Sky News article, which is kind 652 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: of funny. Um uh NPRS morning edition went with quote 653 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,720 Speaker 1: a far right group with neo fascist roots wins big 654 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: in Italy's election. Um a CBS Mornings host said, Milani 655 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: rejects the label of fascism while embracing its symbols, just 656 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: its symbols, just you know, like they were specially talking 657 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,439 Speaker 1: about like the actual like iconography that they directly left 658 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,399 Speaker 1: like this, like the slogans like brotherhood, God, country type things, 659 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 1: and like like the logo and it's it was a 660 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: part actually a part of a larger thing around around fascism. Look, 661 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: we'll actually get bit more into that on our Tucker 662 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 1: Carlson's section. Oh good. The Washington Post headlined quote, the 663 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 1: mainstreaming of the West's far right is complete and then 664 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: opened that article was saying in the land that invented fascism, 665 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 1: the far right is back in power. Milani has a 666 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: lengthy record of extremist rhetoric, has embraced the white supremacist 667 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: narrative of the great Replacement theory, and has engaged in 668 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 1: frequent dog whistling to a radical base. The Atlantic had 669 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: a good piece titled the Return of Fascism in Italy um, 670 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 1: saying that the Brothers of Italy, which Milanni has led since, 671 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: has an underlying and sinister familiarity. The party formed a 672 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,840 Speaker 1: decade ago to carry on the spirit and legacy of 673 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 1: the extreme right in Italy, which dates back to the 674 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 1: Italian Social Movement, the party that formed in place of 675 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: the National Fascist Party, which was banned after World War Two. Now, 676 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,919 Speaker 1: just weeks before the one d anniversary of the March 677 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: on Rome, the October nineteen event that put Musolini in power, 678 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: Italy may have a former Italian Social Movement activist for 679 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: its prime minister and a government rooted in fascism. So 680 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 1: that's like overall, there was a lot of really good 681 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 1: Like most of the of the extremely reference or viral 682 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: kind of articles on this had decent headlines and decent 683 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,400 Speaker 1: content actually emphasizing the fascist nature. Now it's funny because 684 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 1: the Atlantic had this Return of Fascism in Italy one 685 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 1: but The Atlantic also ran an op ed piece titled 686 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 1: Melanie's election Win is not a vote for Fascism, which 687 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 1: later changed its title to Italians didn't exactly vote for 688 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 1: fascism Um, which to its credit, still discusses uh Melani's 689 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: links to fascism, but it questioned how much power she 690 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:46,759 Speaker 1: actually will have to enact said fascism um. But so 691 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: there was there was some like both sides and going 692 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,359 Speaker 1: on on some A lot of these news outlets, they'll 693 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,280 Speaker 1: put one up, they'll put one piece out that's actually 694 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 1: very good about centering the fascist rhetoric, another one being 695 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,759 Speaker 1: like she may be a fascion, but it's not like 696 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 1: she could do much and she's a woman. I think 697 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: this is kind of like I think, I think it's 698 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: just kind of a post JA six thing. Like I 699 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: I think if this had happened in I don't think 700 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: the LA media would have been like as willing to 701 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 1: just do this. Absolutely that is that is undoubtedly true. Um. 702 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: I think I think they kind of, like like liberals 703 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: in general, kind of were shaking out of their complacency 704 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: when they're sort of like beautiful symbols were under like 705 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,360 Speaker 1: finally actually came under attack and not just like US. 706 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: Routers ran a confusing headline titled nationalist Milani set to 707 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 1: smash Italy's glass sea leg and become premier, which is 708 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 1: really weird. She just just sounds super weird nationalist Malany 709 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 1: smashes glass sea like it's just like it's like, yeah, 710 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 1: I guess the cos it's it's what. That was one 711 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 1: of the weirder headlines because it still has nationalists in it, 712 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 1: but it has the whole glass stealing bit, which is 713 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:07,319 Speaker 1: just like why there was another Guardian UK piece uh 714 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: that had the headline uh at Italy's Georgia Melani is 715 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 1: no Mussolini, but she may be a Trump, which is 716 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: an interesting article. Um it. It has some a lot 717 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,279 Speaker 1: of it's actually pretty reasonable, uh, and it emphasizes her 718 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,319 Speaker 1: more recent comments trying to align herself more with the 719 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,839 Speaker 1: modern US Republican Party rather than any kind of form 720 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,920 Speaker 1: of nineteen thirties style fascism quote, hawkish on foreign policies, 721 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,840 Speaker 1: orthodox on economic policies, nostalgic nationalists, and inimical to civil liberties. 722 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,239 Speaker 1: This right wing politics is illiberal at heart, but it 723 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 1: would aim for respectability in what used to be called 724 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,359 Speaker 1: the establishment, including by not undermining the rule of law 725 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: in the way that Hungarian Prime Minister Victor Orban has 726 00:44:55,560 --> 00:45:00,160 Speaker 1: done unquote. So there, it's kind of I do like 727 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:05,359 Speaker 1: the there is some things that are worth we're thinking 728 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,840 Speaker 1: about in terms of how she has a lot in 729 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,319 Speaker 1: the past year tried to align herself more with the 730 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: modern Republican Party in the States, which still is as 731 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 1: we discussed the show, a lot is kind of getting 732 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,040 Speaker 1: more fashion I would say, so, so I will say 733 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,239 Speaker 1: it is has I don't know if you're gonna talk 734 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,520 Speaker 1: about this, but it has been very funny. She managed 735 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: to sort of like lose like the like really hardline 736 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: like American right wingers because she did some sort of 737 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,880 Speaker 1: like pronato e things and so now there's like like 738 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,759 Speaker 1: so like like Snovich and a whole bunch of other 739 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,000 Speaker 1: people like that were posting about how like she's like 740 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: an op and she was part of some I don't 741 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,319 Speaker 1: can't remember. I don't even I don't. I don't even 742 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,879 Speaker 1: think even believes that because I don't. I don't. I've 743 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 1: seen much more people be very enthusiastic about her than 744 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,040 Speaker 1: people being critical of her who are on the fashionst 745 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 1: rite in the States. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, 746 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 1: like there's there's definitely was especially like there's a whole 747 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 1: thing about her being like remember the ASP Institute but 748 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,719 Speaker 1: I think was happening for like, I don't know, maybe 749 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,720 Speaker 1: maybe that maybe that's just a thing like right after 750 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,839 Speaker 1: she got like, I don't I don't know. I mean 751 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: on kind of on this note of of her trying 752 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,879 Speaker 1: to align more with like modern United States conservatism. UM. 753 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,440 Speaker 1: In one of their newsletters, Political included that Melanie has 754 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,840 Speaker 1: appeared at see Pack this past year on the National 755 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,759 Speaker 1: Prayer Breakfast and uh and it did did join the 756 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 1: Aspen Institute in but she and Steve Bannon were films 757 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,560 Speaker 1: strategizing together as far back and Bannon instead of her 758 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,719 Speaker 1: back then quote you put a reasonable face on right 759 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:43,960 Speaker 1: wing populism, you will get elected. UM. So her and 760 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: Bannon have been strategizing for years. She's at Sepack, uh. 761 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: This past year. She gave a speech there that Tucker 762 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,840 Speaker 1: was very enthusiastic about. In his segment about her. That 763 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,000 Speaker 1: Political newsletter that included the bits about Bannon and Spack 764 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,319 Speaker 1: also had I think this line, which sums up some 765 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 1: of my thoughts on this quote. You've already read in 766 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,680 Speaker 1: dozens of headlines that Milani will be Italy's most far 767 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 1: right leader since Miscellani. But don't fall for the trap 768 00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,839 Speaker 1: of reducing this far right firebrand too simple labels like 769 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,040 Speaker 1: the Italian Donald Trump, or Victor or band or Marine 770 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:19,960 Speaker 1: Lepen global takeaway. Right wing populism is getting smarter. It 771 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,840 Speaker 1: could have died off with trump selection loss or Boris 772 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,400 Speaker 1: Johnson's humiliating ejection from Downing Street, but that isn't happening. 773 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,000 Speaker 1: So I have I have a few more of a 774 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,360 Speaker 1: few more things here which will lead into kind of 775 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,680 Speaker 1: how the right has been talking about this um. There 776 00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,480 Speaker 1: was a scene. There was a scene an article on 777 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,719 Speaker 1: the victory that headlined the conditions are perfect for a 778 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:47,400 Speaker 1: populist resurgence in Europe, which also referenced the anti immigration 779 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,440 Speaker 1: Sweden Democrats, who are expected to play a major role 780 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,640 Speaker 1: in the new government. After winning the second largest share 781 00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,840 Speaker 1: of seats in the general election last month. The party 782 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,680 Speaker 1: has been now mainstreamed and initially had its roots in 783 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,080 Speaker 1: very strict neo Nazism. Overall, I was less happy with 784 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:08,240 Speaker 1: some of the New York Times headlines relating to Milani's election. 785 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 1: There was there was the the cheeky headline Georgia Milani 786 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:17,520 Speaker 1: is extreme, but She's no tyrant, which is of again 787 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,600 Speaker 1: a weird way to frame a headline. Um, but even 788 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,840 Speaker 1: that peace still opens with this line saying, quote, it 789 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,879 Speaker 1: happened here again nearly one hundred years since the March 790 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,000 Speaker 1: on Rome, Italy on Sunday voted in a right wing 791 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,400 Speaker 1: coalition headed by a party directly descended from Mussolini's fascist regime. 792 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,319 Speaker 1: Mrs Milani is the first post fascist leader to win 793 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,400 Speaker 1: a national election in Italy after World War Two, and 794 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,960 Speaker 1: her party is the heir to the Italian Social Movement, 795 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,839 Speaker 1: the reincarnation of the long dissolved and constitutionally banned Fascist party. 796 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,040 Speaker 1: So weird headline still it includes stuff in the article. 797 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,320 Speaker 1: But in the age of social media and honestly on 798 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:02,040 Speaker 1: news media, headlines are way more important. Unfortunate. Um and 799 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,279 Speaker 1: there was an actual New York Times article, not just 800 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,280 Speaker 1: not just opinion piece, had the headlined Milani wins voting 801 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:14,319 Speaker 1: in Italy and breakthrough for Europe's hard right. Another Times 802 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:19,479 Speaker 1: piece read Europe looks at Italy's Milanni with caution and trepidation. Uh, 803 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,879 Speaker 1: Milanni posed to be the country's first far right leader 804 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,600 Speaker 1: since Mussolini. So still not the worst, not the best 805 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,440 Speaker 1: from the New York Times, which you mean no no 806 00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 1: shockers there? Um Now? On to kind of the right. 807 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 1: So the right had a really big mix of reactions 808 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:42,040 Speaker 1: based on how the left was talking and liberals were 809 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,719 Speaker 1: talking about this. There was a lot of enthusiasm coming 810 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,600 Speaker 1: from the right. A lot of people on the right 811 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:52,320 Speaker 1: questioning the fascist framing, being like, I can't believe Megan. 812 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,400 Speaker 1: I mean, we can talk about the Megan Bicayan tweet. 813 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,319 Speaker 1: Everyone wants a woman in power until it's the conservative 814 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,600 Speaker 1: woman in power. This one right bar reporter said quote 815 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,120 Speaker 1: calling her Mussolini just because she's Italian is racist, which 816 00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,200 Speaker 1: is one of the best, one of the best tweets 817 00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:14,480 Speaker 1: about this. Laverne Spicer said, so everyone calls Melania fascist, 818 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,000 Speaker 1: can anyone offer proof of that? And most most of 819 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,680 Speaker 1: people just replied with videos of her prising Mussolini. Um yeah, 820 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:28,920 Speaker 1: will bang you Mussolini picture. Lauren Bobbert had the extremely 821 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,240 Speaker 1: bad tweet. This month, Sweden voted for a right wing government. 822 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,160 Speaker 1: Now Italy voted for a strong right wing government. The 823 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,040 Speaker 1: entire world is beginning to understand that the woke left 824 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:47,160 Speaker 1: does nothing but destroy November eight. November eight is coming 825 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,759 Speaker 1: and the USA will fix our House and Senate. Let 826 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:57,000 Speaker 1: freedom rain. Um great great prose there um, just shouting 827 00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,640 Speaker 1: at Cloud. But I I it is rush. It is 828 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,920 Speaker 1: actually super messed up to be praising Sweden's new right 829 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,200 Speaker 1: wing government because they're pretty pretty bad. The Wall Street 830 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,600 Speaker 1: Journal had the great headline Milani is no fascist, but 831 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,960 Speaker 1: can she revive Italy's economy? Um? Yeah, that's now, that 832 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:21,960 Speaker 1: is perfect. That's that's the classic. Well I'm very I'm 833 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,920 Speaker 1: very excited in about eight months when the Italian economy 834 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,920 Speaker 1: is like it makes the British economy look fucking great 835 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,160 Speaker 1: when the West there turnaround, like can some other random 836 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:38,839 Speaker 1: persons save Italy's Yeah, like somebody further to the right, 837 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,960 Speaker 1: and they'll just continue to be like, well, maybe it's 838 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,480 Speaker 1: good for the economy. The economy I have running in 839 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,000 Speaker 1: my Super Mario RPG game is better than the current 840 00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,680 Speaker 1: UK economy. So again, it's not saying more on that, right. 841 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,560 Speaker 1: A Fox News headline in the lead up to the 842 00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,120 Speaker 1: election read Italy on track to elect first right wing 843 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,040 Speaker 1: prime minister since World War Two, first female to hold office. 844 00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:01,960 Speaker 1: I really, I really do that. This is one thing 845 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,880 Speaker 1: I really need to get people on, Like, is fucking 846 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,880 Speaker 1: Sylvia Berlisconi a joke to you? Like the answer should 847 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:13,080 Speaker 1: be yes. But also like come on man like forever. 848 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,799 Speaker 1: A few days later, another Fox headline read Milani's Italian 849 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:25,880 Speaker 1: election win renews spotlight on Europe's continued migrant woes. Great, great, 850 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,960 Speaker 1: great heading there, that's definitely what we should be focusing on. 851 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,560 Speaker 1: And so now onto a friend of the pod, Tucker Carlson. 852 00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,320 Speaker 1: So on September twenty six, Tucker Carlson ran a fifteen 853 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:41,000 Speaker 1: minute segment titled we live in a fake democracy and 854 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:47,160 Speaker 1: there will be a revolution like Italy. So the segment 855 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,520 Speaker 1: was on the election of Melanie and how she's daring 856 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,680 Speaker 1: to address the issues that voters really care about but 857 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,239 Speaker 1: aren't allowed to talk about, like the attacks on the family, immigration, 858 00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,279 Speaker 1: the unpopular climate change policies that are ruining the economy, 859 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,120 Speaker 1: aren't allowed to talk about. Bill Ascoti has literally been 860 00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,799 Speaker 1: saying whatever the funk comes into his brain for like 861 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,319 Speaker 1: thirty years at this point. That was that was a 862 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,120 Speaker 1: big thing of the Tucker segment was that voters have 863 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,960 Speaker 1: all these issues they care about, but they're not allowed 864 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,480 Speaker 1: to talk about it. It's actually illegal in some places 865 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,000 Speaker 1: to talk about this. That's an actual quote from what 866 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,920 Speaker 1: he's at um And obviously Tucker offiscated her lings to 867 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,840 Speaker 1: Mussolini style fascism while still praising the fascist rhetoric that 868 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,799 Speaker 1: Melania espouses. Here is a clip from the segment. She's 869 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,359 Speaker 1: not the first person to say this, people have said 870 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:39,319 Speaker 1: it before, but she's just been rewarded for saying it. 871 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,719 Speaker 1: That's the point. The population likes it. This is what 872 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,880 Speaker 1: they actually want. They're not that worried about global warming. 873 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,480 Speaker 1: They don't want open borders. They think the woke stuff 874 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,560 Speaker 1: is absurd. They want to say what they think. And 875 00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,680 Speaker 1: now it's obvious because she just won. And so even 876 00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,680 Speaker 1: in this country, the people running and benefiting from a 877 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,720 Speaker 1: deeply corrupt and doom system are hysterical. Watch the reaction 878 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,839 Speaker 1: to that. I want to start today by talking about 879 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,680 Speaker 1: a politician on the right who we should all be 880 00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,799 Speaker 1: worried about, who's on the rise today. A politician who 881 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,800 Speaker 1: was brushed off accusations of fascism. What separates us from 882 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:21,399 Speaker 1: let's say, Italy who elected a fascist. She is from 883 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,680 Speaker 1: Fascist Fruits, a far right political party whose roots go 884 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,600 Speaker 1: back to post World War two neo fascist party that 885 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:34,680 Speaker 1: has its roots in Italian fascism, its roots in Italian fascism. 886 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,920 Speaker 1: To find that for us if you would Joe Scarboro, sorry, 887 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,319 Speaker 1: you're an idiot, you can't. But the point is fascist 888 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,760 Speaker 1: means unacceptable. Whatever this chick is saying, you're not allowed 889 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:49,120 Speaker 1: to agree with. They're very worried that that many Italians 890 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,759 Speaker 1: do agree with it, so she has to be completely unacceptable. 891 00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:58,200 Speaker 1: Don't read further. She's a fascist. So yeah, that's that sucks, 892 00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:03,040 Speaker 1: That's not great. Um M, I don't need to waste 893 00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,440 Speaker 1: any more time talking about Tucker's segment because it's it's 894 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:10,360 Speaker 1: typical Tucker Carlson stuff. Pretty fascistic, pretty awful Durburg at 895 00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,799 Speaker 1: the end of every time anyway. Um So yeah. Kind 896 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,200 Speaker 1: of the reaction was as one might expect. American right 897 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,960 Speaker 1: wing operatives have celebrated her rise to power. For example, 898 00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,960 Speaker 1: Keith Robert's, head of the Heritage Foundation, drew on some 899 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:30,239 Speaker 1: of the familiar kind of language in terms of and 900 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,480 Speaker 1: I'll just I'll just say this. This is what he 901 00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,520 Speaker 1: said about her victory on Twitter. This can be a trend. 902 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,160 Speaker 1: Conservatives everywhere need to define the choice as to what 903 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:44,640 Speaker 1: it is us versus them, everyday people versus globalst elites 904 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,800 Speaker 1: shown they hate us, so familiar dog whistles and ship. 905 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,719 Speaker 1: But to kind of close this up, I'm actually gonna do, uh, 906 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,359 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a guy deboored quote one of our 907 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,800 Speaker 1: favorite philosophers on this. Can we put a little French 908 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:05,960 Speaker 1: on it? Can we of gudor quote? So he he 909 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,920 Speaker 1: wrote the situations the Situation's phosopher wrote this in nineteen eight. 910 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,480 Speaker 1: Italy sums up the social contradictions of the entire world 911 00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:22,759 Speaker 1: as such. It is a laboratory for international counter revolution. Um. 912 00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,000 Speaker 1: So hilariously they held out longer than the French did. 913 00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,600 Speaker 1: So well, what what What He's trying to say there 914 00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,400 Speaker 1: is that it's a way to try out social change 915 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:37,520 Speaker 1: and try out the suppression of like progressive social change. UM. 916 00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,240 Speaker 1: And it's like a model for the rest of Europe. Um. 917 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,800 Speaker 1: Like it's like it's it's this owns like miniature model 918 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,680 Speaker 1: that you can try out things and see how they'll 919 00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,440 Speaker 1: react on a on a grounder European political scale. Um. 920 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,000 Speaker 1: And kind of rough in in the in the vein 921 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,080 Speaker 1: of that, I'm actually gonna do a quote from one 922 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:59,040 Speaker 1: of the Washington Post articles about what what what, one 923 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:03,680 Speaker 1: of the better articles about Milani to kind of finish 924 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,919 Speaker 1: up the types of stuff that I wanted to talk about. So, 925 00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,000 Speaker 1: if there's been one dominant story in Western politics over 926 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,040 Speaker 1: the past decade, it's that the far right is no 927 00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,960 Speaker 1: longer beyond the pale. Indeed, it has taken over the 928 00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,880 Speaker 1: right wing mainstream in many countries, including and arguably most significantly, 929 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,120 Speaker 1: the United States. In France, the far right has long 930 00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,120 Speaker 1: been the leading force of the opposition. In Spain, it's 931 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,960 Speaker 1: also gained ground in Sweden, a party originally founded by 932 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,520 Speaker 1: Neo Nazis and other right wing extremists will now be 933 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,200 Speaker 1: the second largest faction in parliament. In Hungary and Poland, 934 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:42,600 Speaker 1: the far right is already in power. So, just in 935 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:47,720 Speaker 1: terms of this overall trend of how people are trying 936 00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,600 Speaker 1: to mainstream far right things, and how they're getting more 937 00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,800 Speaker 1: normalized across Europe, in the United States here, and the 938 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,760 Speaker 1: types of asthetics that they're using to gain such ground. 939 00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,520 Speaker 1: Because the Italian voters were not convinced by the attempts 940 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,880 Speaker 1: to paint Melani as a reincarnation of Mussolini, the way 941 00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:08,720 Speaker 1: that she wrapped her fascism in contemporary US style conservatism 942 00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,680 Speaker 1: was convincing, and the left did not offer any viable 943 00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,400 Speaker 1: alternatives to fix the problems that the country is facing. 944 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,320 Speaker 1: So she got the vote, which was enough to get 945 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,160 Speaker 1: a majority. So yeah, that's that's kind of That's most 946 00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,800 Speaker 1: of the stuff I have on the girl Boss Mussolini, 947 00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:28,240 Speaker 1: Um any any other any other uh comments on how 948 00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,720 Speaker 1: the rights been talking about this, how the liberals have 949 00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,120 Speaker 1: been talking about this, how media has or any anything 950 00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:38,320 Speaker 1: at all. Before we close up, No, I wish her 951 00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:43,640 Speaker 1: the best of getting strung up in the street. It's 952 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,919 Speaker 1: very funny to turn pictures of her upside down. People 953 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,080 Speaker 1: will tell you it's not funny. It's funny, you know. 954 00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,320 Speaker 1: I like the seemed to be turning into the nineteen twenties, 955 00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,920 Speaker 1: but like, tragedy is farce version of it. But this 956 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,800 Speaker 1: means we can do it funnier. We can. We can 957 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,600 Speaker 1: do it funnier. We can. I'll go to Italy wearing 958 00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,520 Speaker 1: Mario costumes. That's right, we can. We can do it. 959 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,920 Speaker 1: We can do it funnier. It's always possible to be 960 00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:13,240 Speaker 1: more funny. Hmm, that's what we striful. So yeah, I'm 961 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,200 Speaker 1: still laughing about the Brothers of Italy thing. That's wow, 962 00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:21,800 Speaker 1: that's pretty funny. Anyway, Uh, go have fun fighting anthropomorphic 963 00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,960 Speaker 1: lizards who steal the princess and hang her in a 964 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,800 Speaker 1: cage and go race around the mushroom Kingdom on your 965 00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,280 Speaker 1: way to save her with your brother. Is how I 966 00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,640 Speaker 1: spend most of my free time in the mushroom Kingdom. 967 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:42,640 Speaker 1: In the mushroom Kingdom, jumping on lizards. Yeah, okay, let's 968 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:49,800 Speaker 1: let's a go. It Could Happen Here is a production 969 00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,840 Speaker 1: of cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, 970 00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,400 Speaker 1: visit our website cool zone media dot com, or check 971 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,760 Speaker 1: us out on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 972 00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,840 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can find sources 973 01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,439 Speaker 1: for It Could Happen Here, updated monthly at cool zone 974 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Media dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening.