Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to another episode of Real Time Crime.
Speaker 1: I'm your host Leo Lamar, and I have with me
Speaker 1: oftentimes Dmitri Dmitri, Hello, Hi, how are you? You know?
Speaker 1: I'm wearing blue light glasses, which we've already decided are
Speaker 1: not for me, but it honestly does help my eyes
Speaker 1: not hurt. And I'm not sponsored by them, so I
Speaker 1: have no reason to promote them. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: let people know what was happening behind the scenes, which
Speaker 1: is that I was brutally awakened by a blaring alarm
Speaker 1: system for hours hours and it was also my birthday
Speaker 1: two days ago, and I feel fine. Uh, Okay, that
Speaker 1: that doesn't seem like a statement that we were led
Speaker 1: to believe. Was that was that convincing? Okay? Cool? Because
Speaker 1: it was my birthday two days ago and I'm fine.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it's just may being a guy. When
Speaker 1: you say I'm fine, I automatically think she's not fine.
Speaker 1: Oh See, it's funny because if you're a guy and
Speaker 1: a woman says I'm fine, you should automatically think you
Speaker 1: did something wrong. Yeah, but I don't think I have
Speaker 1: anything to do with you turning a year older. Oh Wow,
Speaker 1: that's what it came off of. Right. The firing squad
Speaker 1: is here, thank you, Dmitri. Well, I I think we're
Speaker 1: all adult enough to know how birthdays work. Nobody turns
Speaker 1: a year younger, nobody freezes. Oh my god, no one
Speaker 1: turns a year younger. Let's innovate the birthday. Let's start
Speaker 1: aging in reverse. How do we feel about that? I
Speaker 1: think it's a good business plan. Yeah, but you're no
Speaker 1: different than you were the day before, three days ago.
Speaker 1: So honestly, I'm not one of those people that thinks
Speaker 1: like birthdays and all of a sudden you think, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'm older in my life. Just took this
Speaker 1: monster leap. It's not a big deal to me. Tri
Speaker 1: that's what you think. But I did find one gray
Speaker 1: hair and I had a funeral for it. Okay, you guys,
Speaker 1: today we've got out depressing episode. That's that's I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna start the podcast off with the honest truth. A
Speaker 1: depressing episode. These cases are not light. We have an
Speaker 1: NYPD cop fatally stabbed by an estranged husband, and the
Speaker 1: BRONX and X Amazon Mexico ceo who's wanted in a
Speaker 1: hundred ninety countries for hiring a hitman to kill his wife.
Speaker 1: So everyone's wives are getting murdered on this episode, kind
Speaker 1: of by themselves. The husbands. A man who raps about
Speaker 1: robbing ATM machines arrested over a t M robbery, lap
Speaker 1: my fucking ass off. And then our main case of
Speaker 1: the day will be Leave No Trace. You know it's
Speaker 1: streaming on Hulu today. Actually it's a hidden history of
Speaker 1: the Boy Scouts, and I don't want to touch that
Speaker 1: with a ten ft marshmallow stick. But here we are
Speaker 1: very true. What I would like to say, I'd like
Speaker 1: to give it this claimer of okay, because we're not
Speaker 1: the news. Obviously you can read this stuff, and in
Speaker 1: here in the news, we're not here to strictly just
Speaker 1: report it. We're gonna give opinions and where we can
Speaker 1: as sensitively as we can, we try and have a
Speaker 1: little bit of fun because I think we both believe
Speaker 1: that when you can laugh somewhere in life, um, it's
Speaker 1: what helps you get through the difficult times. So if
Speaker 1: we do make any comments throughout these stories, we try.
Speaker 1: We're not mere mean spirited people, but it's not our
Speaker 1: job to just read these stories like we're the news.
Speaker 1: So we will try and and have some last one
Speaker 1: we can, because we both believe that that's where you can,
Speaker 1: where you can heal and have some fun. So I'm
Speaker 1: just getting that disclaimer out now, Demitri, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I mean, the other thing is, if you've been listening
Speaker 1: to the podcast for a while now, you already know
Speaker 1: this is true crime with the twist right to grind,
Speaker 1: with the twist of comedy to alleviate the comfortable situations
Speaker 1: that we're discussing. Obviously, murders and funny. Obviously death isn't funny.
Speaker 1: Obviously none of this is funny. But you know, uh,
Speaker 1: the job of a comedian is to make light of
Speaker 1: dark situations, and usually of our own dark situations. But then,
Speaker 1: you know, you've got comedians who make nine eleven jokes,
Speaker 1: and you've got comedians to make Holocaust jokes, and you've
Speaker 1: got comedians who make all types of jokes, you know,
Speaker 1: dead baby jokes, You've got Anthony Jeselnick. You got it. Go.
Speaker 1: It spans the history of time, is this is how
Speaker 1: people deal with trauma. Um. So you know, if you've
Speaker 1: made it this far, congratulations to you. All right, our
Speaker 1: first hot topic for today and New York NYPD cop
Speaker 1: was fatally stabbed by her estranged husband in the Bronx.
Speaker 1: She was an off duty cop and there was a
Speaker 1: trail of blood leading police to her body. She's thirty
Speaker 1: one years old. Ariana Reyes Gomez was allegedly stabbed multiple
Speaker 1: times by her former partner, and according to authorities, this
Speaker 1: was a domestic dispute turned deadly, so to me that triggers.
Speaker 1: There was arguing, people could hear it, etcetera. The officer
Speaker 1: phoned a female relative, who then dialed and sent police
Speaker 1: to location. When officers arrived around two fifty in the morning,
Speaker 1: they found blood in the hallway leading to the apartment,
Speaker 1: and after busting down the door, found her unresponsive. The
Speaker 1: couple has a child who is not at home at
Speaker 1: the time, thank god, and was out a state with relatives.
Speaker 1: Shortly after the incident, um her a strange husband turned
Speaker 1: himself in at a neighboring precinct and he was charged
Speaker 1: with murder, manslaughter, and criminal possession of a weapon. Okay, Dmitri,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of this officer,
Speaker 1: and it's interesting to think that she called a relative
Speaker 1: instead of dialing. Why do you think someone would do that.
Speaker 1: I think that probably goes to U lends his hand
Speaker 1: to the character of this of this woman as a
Speaker 1: person and not as a police officer. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying she's a bad police officer. I think she knows
Speaker 1: the repercussions of making that call. And I think she
Speaker 1: was really trying to give the ben at the foot
Speaker 1: of the doubt to the father of her child, and
Speaker 1: this and that, and and sadly she she was she
Speaker 1: was wrong. Um. I think she tried hold on it.
Speaker 1: She knew if I make that call the nine one one,
Speaker 1: this is going to have repercussions with him in our
Speaker 1: relationship and whether he can see his kid or not. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I think she tried to go around it, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, unfortunately that did not work.
Speaker 1: But that's where my head goes. I think she she
Speaker 1: knew what would happen. She's obviously she's an NYPD. She
Speaker 1: knows what goes on, she knows what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 1: She probably knew calling nine when one was the right move,
Speaker 1: and she would have probably told anyone else to call
Speaker 1: nine one one in that situation. But that's where you
Speaker 1: have that that difficulty of of your job and your
Speaker 1: personal life and you can't you know, you have a
Speaker 1: filter that you go through for your personal life. And
Speaker 1: I think that's probably what happened. It's interesting because my
Speaker 1: gut instinct was that she called this and and they
Speaker 1: wrote in the article was a female relative. I think
Speaker 1: that my gut instinct was that she called her because
Speaker 1: maybe she thought this was sort of going to happen,
Speaker 1: and maybe she wanted to make arrangements for her child,
Speaker 1: and it was like it didn't matter if she called
Speaker 1: nine one one then or if she called one two
Speaker 1: minutes later. I mean, I also wonder if she was
Speaker 1: calling a family member because because it is an interesting
Speaker 1: thing to call a family member before if you feel
Speaker 1: like you're in immediate danger, so part of me and
Speaker 1: and as a cop, you think that you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I wonder if she had a
Speaker 1: weapon on her. I I wonder if her calling the
Speaker 1: relative turned it violent. Um you know there, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: just so many possible ways it could have gone in town.
Speaker 1: But it's I mean, it's also interesting because you know,
Speaker 1: cops have training in self defense and defense and attack, right,
Speaker 1: so you know, this also leads me to other questions
Speaker 1: where it's like, obviously, this feels like it possibly was
Speaker 1: not the first time there had been domestic violence and
Speaker 1: he was an estranged husband and the cops were saying
Speaker 1: it was a domestic dispute turned deadly, So possibly this
Speaker 1: has happened before. And I just wonder, you know, like
Speaker 1: what this must have been such a struggle, um, and
Speaker 1: there must have been a lot of love for this
Speaker 1: person at some point that you know she chose not
Speaker 1: to call nine one one first. Yeah, yeah, sadly, Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think you're right about that.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, maybe she called there because she was
Speaker 1: she was making arrangements um or thinking ahead. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I I like to think, as a train in YPG,
Speaker 1: if she walked into a situation where there was a
Speaker 1: this was happening and she was called to the scene,
Speaker 1: she knew exactly how to handle it. So you're right,
Speaker 1: she probably had a weapon. She probably she I'm sure
Speaker 1: has trained in self defense, but for some reason she
Speaker 1: either wasn't able to utilize that or she chose not to.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the question, Like you said in
Speaker 1: the setup, when you were reading the story, I wonder
Speaker 1: if other people heard things and what might unfold in
Speaker 1: this story. Yeah, I'm interested to no more details. I mean,
Speaker 1: I also wonder if there was a bit of fear
Speaker 1: behind calling nine one one, or if you know she
Speaker 1: had done anything wrong or you know, I wonder. I
Speaker 1: feel like there's more to this story that we're and
Speaker 1: we're just hearing about the end instead of the beginning
Speaker 1: in the middle. Yeah, that's true. There's definitely something. There's
Speaker 1: definitely a big piece of this missing as to why
Speaker 1: she didn't call that one of them, and everything you
Speaker 1: brought up is is a legitimate case. Maybe there's something
Speaker 1: that we don't know on her end, and I'm not
Speaker 1: disparaging her um, but it's possible or there's something in
Speaker 1: the relationship where there's so there's some reason why an
Speaker 1: NYPD officer did not call nine one one when their
Speaker 1: life was in danger, and whatever that reason is, obviously
Speaker 1: you think had she called, perhaps things could have been differently,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. My hope for this case here
Speaker 1: is that it says that the child was out of
Speaker 1: out of state with family members, and I hope that
Speaker 1: that child is with family members. I hope they were
Speaker 1: out doing something nice because those family members take care
Speaker 1: of that child and they were out enjoying a vacation
Speaker 1: or something. And I hope that um, wherever that child
Speaker 1: ends up now that they're in in in a situation
Speaker 1: where they can have a loving home. M me too.
Speaker 1: And I wish this wasn't a back to back situation
Speaker 1: of kind of similar stories. But this ex Amazon Mexico's
Speaker 1: to e O who's wanted in a hundred and ninety
Speaker 1: countries for hiring a hitman to kill his wife. His
Speaker 1: name is Juan Carlos Garcia. He hired two hitmen to
Speaker 1: kill his estranged wife. The former couple had a history
Speaker 1: of domestic violence and she filed a restraining order against him,
Speaker 1: and he was hired as the CEO of Amazon Mexico
Speaker 1: and the company first opened in at their office in Mexico,
Speaker 1: and they were separated after his wife filed a lawsuit
Speaker 1: against him, and during a court hearing in Mexico City,
Speaker 1: one of the hitmen that was hired by him testified
Speaker 1: that he offered an additional if his estranged wife was
Speaker 1: killed before their next court hearing. What a gem up.
Speaker 1: According to New York Post, Perez filed for divorce in
Speaker 1: janu after she accused him of trying to kill her
Speaker 1: while beating her with a baseball back before her death.
Speaker 1: She was in Mexico City for scheduled court hearing when
Speaker 1: a motorcyclist opened fire and fatally shot her while she
Speaker 1: was in a car with her two children and attorney.
Speaker 1: The murder trial begins on Monday, and Interpol has issued
Speaker 1: a warrant for his arrest in hundred ninety countries after
Speaker 1: he went on the lamb for after his estranged wife's death.
Speaker 1: He allegedly escaped Mexico a few days after the murder
Speaker 1: and entered a checkpoint near Tijuana. After entering the United States,
Speaker 1: he reportedly sent a letter to the mayor of Mexico
Speaker 1: City claiming he was innocent. It's really interesting because, I mean,
Speaker 1: first of all, from our last episode, you know, with
Speaker 1: our Girls Gone Wild, Guys like people usually go to
Speaker 1: Mexico to avoid jail. Now he's escaping Mexico to avoid jail.
Speaker 1: So I've got a lot of questions. If you have
Speaker 1: to escape Mexico to avoid jail, you did it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Mexico is not really that likely. Like you said, that's
Speaker 1: where people go to avoids avoid being held responsible. So
Speaker 1: if you're running from there, then yeah, you're right. He
Speaker 1: he did it, and I mean ship like pretty all
Speaker 1: around pretty bad. He hired he hired hitman. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the ground rules were with the with the hitman,
Speaker 1: but how about don't shoot, well, don't do it at all,
Speaker 1: but obviously that's what hit men do. Don't shoot when
Speaker 1: the kids are in the car, And like, what what
Speaker 1: were the did he have no rules for? This? Is he?
Speaker 1: That is he that low of a person or these
Speaker 1: people go just off on their own, but don't you
Speaker 1: know that that lets us know that it was him
Speaker 1: because he hired a skilled hitman to just murder one
Speaker 1: person in a vehicle with multiple other people and it
Speaker 1: was a very specific person. And the fact that he
Speaker 1: only offered dred dollars more to kill as a strange one.
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, if I'm a hit man, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: need way more money than that because I might go
Speaker 1: to jail for life. Like that's rent for one month.
Speaker 1: What do you gonna do with that? Or it's like
Speaker 1: how many people are you killing on average? That there's
Speaker 1: just like a drop in the bucket, right and you
Speaker 1: know what, what can we presume, Like I don't know.
Speaker 1: Obviously we don't know this relationship, but I assume. My
Speaker 1: My instinct was to say this was what they were separated,
Speaker 1: they were strange, they were getting a divorce. This is
Speaker 1: about he's an Amazon CEO, I Amazon Mexico. It probably
Speaker 1: has some money, and I'm assuming this has to do
Speaker 1: with him not wanting to give up money. You know what,
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I don't know why murdering a
Speaker 1: spouse is always like the the it seems to these
Speaker 1: people is the easy go to to get out of
Speaker 1: having to pay money or having to or so I
Speaker 1: can get married together, whatever it is. I don't understand
Speaker 1: how this is always such a such a top shelf
Speaker 1: option for these guys. Do you think it was about alimony?
Speaker 1: I don't know what. What was it about. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's like, wouldn't you want to make sure that your
Speaker 1: kids were having a good life? Like I don't, especially
Speaker 1: if you're a CEO of Amazon like Jeff Asos is
Speaker 1: writing a spaceship and you know, into two mars. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure that the CEO of Mexico for Amazon's got
Speaker 1: some enough money to pay for whatever he needs to
Speaker 1: pay for and his children's life and education. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, what's so what's the other option? I mean,
Speaker 1: unless you feared for his children's safety from her, which
Speaker 1: clearly doesn't make sense because he had someone shoot her
Speaker 1: while she was in the car with them. So if
Speaker 1: it was that, then just you know, finally legal proceedings
Speaker 1: and get custody of the kids. So I really doubt
Speaker 1: that that was the case. I mean what else. Money
Speaker 1: is where my mind goes to. Someone has a lot
Speaker 1: of money, someone's getting divorced, and they don't want to
Speaker 1: give up their money. That's what I see. Do you
Speaker 1: think he'll be found in the US quickly? I mean
Speaker 1: I think you know what's interesting. I did a quick
Speaker 1: Google search. It's a hundred nine countries in the world,
Speaker 1: and he's wanted in a hundred ninety. I'm curious to
Speaker 1: those other five, like, why don't you why why isn't
Speaker 1: he wanted in your country? Is it Antarctica? And you're
Speaker 1: just like, no one really survives here. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and if I'm him, then then you got to one
Speaker 1: of those five countries. But do I think I'll be
Speaker 1: found in the US? Uh? Yeah? I mean, I think
Speaker 1: he's pretty He's got to be pretty, hope, high profile, right,
Speaker 1: he's the CEO of Amazon Mexico or was. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously you can really hide out anywhere in the world.
Speaker 1: But I think if they're really looking for him, then um,
Speaker 1: they'll find him. You know what. I'm really looking for
Speaker 1: a statement from our guy, Jeff Bezos. Mm hmm, hey
Speaker 1: my former higher Yeah, a CEO like this is that's
Speaker 1: not a small like I didn't have any interaction. They
Speaker 1: just you know, he was in the mail room. No,
Speaker 1: that's a big deal. That is close connections, much like
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Holmes case, in the Glenn Maxwell case. If this
Speaker 1: goes to trial, we'll never see it, that's true. No,
Speaker 1: but he listen if it was Johnny deppan ever heard,
Speaker 1: we couldn't get away from it. Apparently there might be
Speaker 1: a third trial for that. Did you know? No, I
Speaker 1: did not. Apparently he possibly is able to sue her
Speaker 1: again because she had an interview after it was all over,
Speaker 1: and apparently she said someone asked her, so is it
Speaker 1: is it? Did he lie that he hit you, that
Speaker 1: he did not hit you? Did he lie that he
Speaker 1: did not hit you? And she was like, yeah, he
Speaker 1: hit me, that was a lie, and so Johnny Depp
Speaker 1: technically has grounds to sue her again. This is classic
Speaker 1: Hollywood if they're they're potentially making another sequel for something
Speaker 1: I didn't really care for the first one. I don't
Speaker 1: I didn't care for the amount of coverage that this got.
Speaker 1: And you know what, there I think they both they
Speaker 1: both had problems. Uh, I just I don't need to
Speaker 1: see any more of this. It just feels like she
Speaker 1: keeps auditioning for the same part over and over. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe you know, maybe Hollywood doesn't white
Speaker 1: woman for this role. You know, I think it's like
Speaker 1: it's time to move on, time to move on. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I think the last thing that I would
Speaker 1: do well if I don't know, this is a tough spot.
Speaker 1: I think everyone's so tired of the Amber Turd story.
Speaker 1: But I do think that if I was innocent, I
Speaker 1: would probably still fight for my innocence, but fear another
Speaker 1: trial because I was already brought down. But maybe if
Speaker 1: I truly believed in my innocence, I would just go
Speaker 1: for it no matter what. Then again, if I wasn't
Speaker 1: what I doubled down as hard. Yeah. I don't see
Speaker 1: that that Johnny has anything to um to gain from
Speaker 1: from going back to court for this. I think um
Speaker 1: he got basically the result he wanted right from this.
Speaker 1: He went out and he bought six worth of Indian
Speaker 1: food and he started partying. And that's it. Like, I
Speaker 1: don't think he needs to go back because she said
Speaker 1: they've already proven that she's lied about stuff. I don't
Speaker 1: think he needs to go back and be like, she
Speaker 1: lied about something else and I want to see her again.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna She doesn't have the money to pay
Speaker 1: you more, so just take what you can get right now.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, moving on to talking about not having
Speaker 1: any money. A man who raps about robbing a t
Speaker 1: M machines arrested over Dana and a t M robbery
Speaker 1: for people that wrote how to kill your husband and
Speaker 1: then when and killed her husband. Yeah, it's pretty great. Actually,
Speaker 1: Four people, including a Houston music artist who rapped about
Speaker 1: committing crimes, have been arrested for allegedly robbing an a
Speaker 1: t M technician in Tennessee. According to the Metropolitan Nashville
Speaker 1: Police Department, four people were taken into custody after an
Speaker 1: alleged robbery if a man servicing a Bank of America
Speaker 1: a TM. It's alleged that two of the defendants approached
Speaker 1: the victim from behind and told him not to do
Speaker 1: anything stupid and hand over the money. One of the
Speaker 1: alleged robbers is Lattison Riley, who also goes by the
Speaker 1: rap name wait for It to one three jug God.
Speaker 1: He recently released the song on YouTube and title make
Speaker 1: It Home. In this song, Riley alluded to him and
Speaker 1: other individuals committing crimes. The lyrics described robbing a t
Speaker 1: M s out of state, having thousands of dollars in
Speaker 1: their vehicle, praying to a boy, being caught up in
Speaker 1: a car chase, and making it home. The four are
Speaker 1: being charged federally and the FBI is investigating whether they're
Speaker 1: they committed similar robberies elsewhere. And the other lyrics to
Speaker 1: their songs were I'm going to jail. Oh no, I'm
Speaker 1: in jail. And it's weird because now they're going to
Speaker 1: jail and they're in jail. Oh yeah, I mean listen,
Speaker 1: we and here we thought we weren't gonna laugh today.
Speaker 1: This is this guy is a moron. Okay. He wrote
Speaker 1: a rap song okay, well, I don't know where you
Speaker 1: want to start. He wrote a rap song about Robin
Speaker 1: a t m S. And then he went and robbed
Speaker 1: at m S. His name is two one three jug God.
Speaker 1: Name sucks, dude, And then he also tried to rob
Speaker 1: by saying don't do anything stupid, hand over the money,
Speaker 1: like classic old school rob He's such a cliche, don't
Speaker 1: do anything stupid. It's like, and n even have a gun.
Speaker 1: He probably just had a highlighter that he pressed itself back.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean this is and and also like
Speaker 1: two one three jug God. I mean, my guy, no
Speaker 1: better indication to me that you were never going to
Speaker 1: make it as a rapper, so you know, going rapping
Speaker 1: to robbery, and they sent us his song. Sadly, I
Speaker 1: watched the video and listened to it. Song sucks, name sucks,
Speaker 1: and the only thing worse than those are your ability
Speaker 1: to to rob someone like this guy is shooting zeros
Speaker 1: across the board. I hope that when he is with
Speaker 1: women he also shoots blanks, because this guy should not approcreate.
Speaker 1: I think I can't believe he's not. Everything he does sucks,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I bet he's another song that's like I
Speaker 1: got eighteen baby mamas and no money for the alimony.
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm robbing this bag. So here's a question.
Speaker 1: Do you think would they could they use the rap
Speaker 1: song as in court? It seems like a confession to me.
Speaker 1: It looks like it's premeditated, is it not. Yeah, whether
Speaker 1: it's a confession or not, it's definitely something that was
Speaker 1: on his mind. Right, And you know what they say
Speaker 1: about music, right, They say, if you feel so strongly
Speaker 1: about something that there are no words left and there's
Speaker 1: so much emotion behind it, that you must sing it.
Speaker 1: That is how you know when it is real. That's
Speaker 1: that's what the US teaches in musical theater. When you
Speaker 1: went from speaking to singing, it's like there's just no
Speaker 1: words left to describe it, so you have to sing
Speaker 1: because you're so emotional. I've never heard that before, but
Speaker 1: that might make me appreciate musicals a little bit more. Oh,
Speaker 1: how dare you? I'm going to New York next week
Speaker 1: and I'm going to cry myself a river and every
Speaker 1: Broadway show listen I love? I do, actually do. I
Speaker 1: love Broadway. I love certain musicals, but it's always interesting
Speaker 1: when they just burst into song, but that that I
Speaker 1: had never heard that before. What I can tell you
Speaker 1: what I know about music is that just because you
Speaker 1: rhyme doesn't make you a rapper. This guy will. I
Speaker 1: think the only thing that made it better was that
Speaker 1: he actually followed through on it. I will tell you
Speaker 1: this though, If you do the rhyme, you committed the crime.
Speaker 1: Little Johnny you Oh my god, speaking of Johnny conkering. Uh,
Speaker 1: I just want to go back to Johnny Depp for
Speaker 1: a second. It's so weird because right after he won,
Speaker 1: you know, you heard about him that spending six d
Speaker 1: can Indian food and then you know, celebrating, he released
Speaker 1: a song about my cousin. About your cousin, Hetty Lamar
Speaker 1: is your cousin. Yeah, we never talked about this. She's
Speaker 1: like a distant cousin. But um, it was just so odd.
Speaker 1: I was like, why why do I now feel connected
Speaker 1: to Johnny Depp? Well, I mean it's not bad, no, no,
Speaker 1: but you know he's doing the rhyme, so he commit
Speaker 1: at the crime. I guess. But what you said before,
Speaker 1: and I put this on social media at one point,
Speaker 1: so he went out and bought six K where the
Speaker 1: Indian food it's now I understand why she was shipping
Speaker 1: in the bed like it's kind of like, that's kind
Speaker 1: of outrageous. Yeah, I hope they had more than one
Speaker 1: bathroom in that home, or you know, maybe they didn't.
Speaker 1: He was in the bathroom and she just couldn't wait,
Speaker 1: or she just didn't care to use it. Look. Oh wait, no,
Speaker 1: it was the dog. It was the dog. It was
Speaker 1: It was one of the multiple tiny dogs that could
Speaker 1: never have pooped that size. Maybe they ate so much
Speaker 1: Indian food, the dogs they shipped so much that it
Speaker 1: was the size of their own bodies. You know, that's
Speaker 1: happened to me. No, no, no, we're good. We're good.
Speaker 1: Were good. That's one time when I was in Peru. No, no,
Speaker 1: we're good, and everyone had to be already Okay, there
Speaker 1: are not enough bathrooms when multiple people have I will
Speaker 1: just tell you, what what do you do? So you
Speaker 1: just met, you just met this, you have, as people
Speaker 1: know by now, you have a new boyfriend. What do
Speaker 1: you do? What would happened when you went there and
Speaker 1: you stayed with him and you had to go to
Speaker 1: the bathroom. I'll use the listen, let's just be honest
Speaker 1: with each other. This is what's happening or are you like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I have to go down to the lobby to get
Speaker 1: something from the store. I'm about to pull up something
Speaker 1: that will explain basically our entire relationship in in one
Speaker 1: fell swoop. So he sent me an e card on
Speaker 1: my birthday and uh, this is what it says. Remember
Speaker 1: when you used to hold your farts in dot dot dot.
Speaker 1: I missed that. So it's only been a month and
Speaker 1: a half and I'm pretty sure we're married at this point. Um.
Speaker 1: But basically the last time we were together, we were
Speaker 1: in London and I was in the bathroom and you know,
Speaker 1: we're two Jews and in eating lots of bad food.
Speaker 1: So we were like like passing the Tom's bottle back
Speaker 1: and forth, and we were bringing the pepto with us
Speaker 1: every I was like, if Pepto Bismol doesn't sponsor me,
Speaker 1: I'll be shocked, shocked. They're in every post everything sponsor
Speaker 1: we get now. Yeah, And then so I sent him
Speaker 1: a text message from the bathroom. That's it. I need
Speaker 1: you to leave the bedroom and go into the other
Speaker 1: room right now. And uh, right as I sent it it,
Speaker 1: just like an explosive fart came out and I hear
Speaker 1: him like laughing outside the door, and I was like, Na,
Speaker 1: why does this make me so uncomfortable? It doesn't even
Speaker 1: follow me, you know. It was like before music on
Speaker 1: and turn the water on. That's what girls do. If
Speaker 1: you're in the bed with a guy that you just
Speaker 1: started dating and you have to make an emergency fart
Speaker 1: or a poop, you go into the bathroom, You light
Speaker 1: a candle, you blast the music, you put the water on.
Speaker 1: Everyone knows what's happening, but it just makes us feel
Speaker 1: better for some reason. Oh you you can't because if
Speaker 1: you're going number one because the music on, No, But
Speaker 1: you'd rather hear the music and the and the sound
Speaker 1: the water and know what's happening, then actually hear what's happening, right,
Speaker 1: Because if you knew what was actually happening, which is
Speaker 1: I'm casting a spell for you to love me forever
Speaker 1: instead of farting, I don't think. I think I think
Speaker 1: you missed up your spells. Um, listen, everybody does it.
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with it. But I think the the
Speaker 1: actually hearing it as opposed to knowing that it happens
Speaker 1: are two different things. Um, I'm glad so did you
Speaker 1: before we went in there. Did you say, hold on,
Speaker 1: I'm slipping into something more uncomfortable. Uh no. But when
Speaker 1: I came out, I said, do not go in there,
Speaker 1: perfect and he said, he said, I have to shower. Um,
Speaker 1: I think he loves me. Wait, well, there are you
Speaker 1: guys still talking? You Dmitri? No, I'm just if if
Speaker 1: you're then yes, he does love you. At nine am
Speaker 1: on my birthday, he had a gluten free cake sent
Speaker 1: to my door. That's really sweet. I mean, I love
Speaker 1: that he's trying to give you food that won't upset
Speaker 1: your stomach. But then the other thing, apparently he emailed
Speaker 1: this cake shop at midnight Los Angeles time. He's in London,
Speaker 1: so you know he forgot the time difference, and they
Speaker 1: send him an email back that said, if you want
Speaker 1: to order a cake from us, please order it at
Speaker 1: a more so couple hour. That's how insane l A
Speaker 1: is is that they're like, I'm sorry, you didn't do
Speaker 1: something the way I wanted you to do it, so
Speaker 1: I don't even want your money. Then it's not like
Speaker 1: he called them and woke them up at at home
Speaker 1: and it was in the email. Just respond when you
Speaker 1: wake up. Yeah, and it's I'm ordering something. You have
Speaker 1: a business. I'm ordering something and saying can you send
Speaker 1: it during your hours of operation? He wasn't like, Yo,
Speaker 1: get out of bed, it's my girlfriend's birthday and make
Speaker 1: a cake. No, it's so it's out of it because
Speaker 1: we already have won bad experience. It's so insane because
Speaker 1: it's like, uh, no one wants to work in l
Speaker 1: a that they would literally rather reject incoming business. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it's wild you own a bakery. If you
Speaker 1: don't want to work, you can start a podcast. Hilarious
Speaker 1: and thank you so much too. On three jug God,
Speaker 1: I can't. I wish you could write a song about
Speaker 1: I also just want to let you know that when
Speaker 1: we were talking about these two stories the last two
Speaker 1: um and hearing someone kind of get approached from behind,
Speaker 1: this happened to me in London. I'm not comfortable with
Speaker 1: this segment, but go ahead. We went boyfriends and then
Speaker 1: go ahead, okay. Um. I hadn't posted on my Instagram
Speaker 1: story like twenty four hours and they my ex pulled
Speaker 1: me from behind and tackled me to the ground and
Speaker 1: said I found you, bitch, um in a playful manner.
Speaker 1: I mean, as playful as that can be. The thing
Speaker 1: that's so upsetting is that I didn't even scream. I
Speaker 1: just knew intuitively it was him, and I I just said, okay, now, okay,
Speaker 1: I guess we're gonna need some details on this. How
Speaker 1: did we leave off in this relationship? And was this
Speaker 1: like I've been looking for you when I found you, bitch?
Speaker 1: Or oh my gosh, look at us. We're both in London.
Speaker 1: How crazy is this? I mean he was also in
Speaker 1: London for work apparently, Um was that work to find you?
Speaker 1: And a real job? You know? It's a pretty crazy
Speaker 1: His friend filmed it and they sent it to me
Speaker 1: so I can commemorate that moment forever. Oh wonderful. So
Speaker 1: what happened then? So obviously you didn't hurt yourself. It
Speaker 1: was a playful takedown. It was as playful as a
Speaker 1: takedown tackle to the street as you can get. Were
Speaker 1: you by yourself? And then I just continued on my
Speaker 1: marriedway to lunch after being accosted in a foreign country.
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, it's funny how people don't think things
Speaker 1: through and it's like, Okay, here's a woman by herself
Speaker 1: in a foreign country. I'm gonna go and like, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna go up and surprise her and grab her
Speaker 1: from behind, like some people don't really think that. I
Speaker 1: was in a farmer's market one time with my kids
Speaker 1: and my son was small, and one of my buddies
Speaker 1: saw me, but I didn't see him, and so he
Speaker 1: happened to walk up and as you know, as a hello,
Speaker 1: and like a surprise, he picked up my son. And
Speaker 1: I mean, it's luckily I turned quick and I saw
Speaker 1: who it was. It was fun, but my instinct was
Speaker 1: to just haul off on this guy, so that very
Speaker 1: well could have ended in me just punching him in
Speaker 1: the face, because when you're out in public and someone
Speaker 1: picks up your son, you freak out. Yep, yep. I
Speaker 1: think it says a lot more about me than it
Speaker 1: says about him. That I was just like, well, here
Speaker 1: we go. I've got a true grime podcast. I've been
Speaker 1: waiting for it. Yeah, I was like, I honestly like,
Speaker 1: I think it was almost disheartening to him that I
Speaker 1: didn't scream, because I was like, man, it's almost like
Speaker 1: a not again. All right, how many times do I
Speaker 1: need to get tackled by next today? You know? Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was odd. He also told me that he'd been
Speaker 1: they've been following me for a couple of blocks. Okay, great,
Speaker 1: So anyway, why is this guy your EXE? So anyway,
Speaker 1: I go to WIT A protection program, and it has
Speaker 1: been so nice having a podcast with you. I will
Speaker 1: now be um Henrietta Maguilla Cutty, and I'll probably living
Speaker 1: in Nebraska, so you can't share that info. That's the
Speaker 1: whole point. Oh shoot, okay, so I'm going back into
Speaker 1: the Witness Protection oram um. Sorry, c I A. If
Speaker 1: you could just give me another so scary number and
Speaker 1: identity and New States Live and thank you so much,
Speaker 1: that would be great. Sorry if you just decided to
Speaker 1: like change your name and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But you just went about doing everything you're doing. So
Speaker 1: you performed as Henrietta, but it was you, and we're like, hey,
Speaker 1: welcome back to real time crime. This is Henrietta, and
Speaker 1: and where I am in the world is none of
Speaker 1: your seeing business. I just have the same backdrop. No
Speaker 1: one really knows if I've actually left my apartment in
Speaker 1: l A or just brought it with me somewhere. Anyway,
Speaker 1: you guys, it's time to go to a quick little
Speaker 1: break and as I always say, don't touch that dial,
Speaker 1: and you always say, don't commit any crimes in the
Speaker 1: next thirty seconds. Yeah, but if you have to, I
Speaker 1: get it. Just don't make them like in Hence once.
Speaker 1: If it's a petty crime, like you still post it.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you got to write a memo down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but don't write a rap song about it. Oh no,
Speaker 1: it's two and three. Drug out already took that, so
Speaker 1: be original. Think of something else to do. I'm going
Speaker 1: to spend the next the break think about how stupid
Speaker 1: a song and name that is. Okay, all right, we'll
Speaker 1: be right back you guys. Sorry about Dmitrie and we're back.
Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome to your favorite true crime podcast, your
Speaker 1: True Crime with a Twist Podcast. Because I didn't really
Speaker 1: know any other podcast that are making jokes about people's misfortunes,
Speaker 1: we should just rebrand this to shot him Freud the podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it's all about the segue. Somehow we
Speaker 1: went from multiple murders to a shitty rap song to
Speaker 1: you going in the bathroom next year, boyfriend, and and
Speaker 1: then getting tackled by my acts. Don't forget that really
Speaker 1: important part. It seems like you already chose to like
Speaker 1: that's this was me on the street. The only difference
Speaker 1: this is not dead. I just pointing to a chalk outline, yes,
Speaker 1: talk outline of a person on the floor. Boy boy,
Speaker 1: is my life interesting? Okay? So you guys our story
Speaker 1: for the main case for today? What's um? Have you
Speaker 1: ever noticed that sometimes there are things wrong with me
Speaker 1: and sometimes I'm fine? When would I have noticed that
Speaker 1: this podcast is now being called Leah is building one
Speaker 1: brick to the path to hell every episode. All right,
Speaker 1: So I'm sure this is no mystery to anyone. We
Speaker 1: all know the Boy Scouts of America. I have had
Speaker 1: some trouble for many years now. So there is a
Speaker 1: a new dock out called Leave No Trace, Hidden History
Speaker 1: of the Boy Scouts. Oh boy, um, So the Boy
Speaker 1: Scouts America had a stunning fall as they are now
Speaker 1: set to make tons of payouts to one of the
Speaker 1: largest sexual abuse settlements in US history. The doc is
Speaker 1: exploring allegations made by thousands of former Boy Scouts, like
Speaker 1: John Humphrey, who joined his trip in nineteen or twelve
Speaker 1: years old. He said he suffered abuse at the hands
Speaker 1: of his Scout master for three years. He buried the
Speaker 1: trauma for decades and did not break the silence until
Speaker 1: he was fifty five. I also just want to say
Speaker 1: before I go more into this, like abuse survivors is
Speaker 1: a sort of common, right, Like what happened with the
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson documentary. It's sometimes they just buried the trauma
Speaker 1: and you're too young to really process it. And and
Speaker 1: if you don't get help, or you don't know to
Speaker 1: ask for help, or you don't even really understand what's
Speaker 1: going on. This is just this is not unusual. It's
Speaker 1: not unusual, and it's often these times, are you know?
Speaker 1: These programs are set up to like help kids, right,
Speaker 1: And it's not like these people just that's why they
Speaker 1: say things about grooming and stuff like that. It's not
Speaker 1: like these people just go in and abuse somebody. They
Speaker 1: groom them, They tell them, hey, don't do this, or
Speaker 1: you don't want to tell anybody this, or or you know,
Speaker 1: and they set up these things that make the kids
Speaker 1: scared to tell anybody. So of course they then suppress
Speaker 1: it and they carry it with them for their entire lives.
Speaker 1: Same thing that happened with the church. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: almost Yeah, it's any abuse allegations like we we had
Speaker 1: that case just a couple of weeks ago where the
Speaker 1: woman came forward much later and that you know, it's
Speaker 1: like this just happens, okay, since it's not unusual, and
Speaker 1: it looks like the journey of the hundred and fifteen
Speaker 1: year old organization and their financial history, their financial future
Speaker 1: and the litigation that they're still in the middle of
Speaker 1: right now, will be investigating this documentary. The hulu A
Speaker 1: doc reveals how the Ones Revered Organization obviously had a
Speaker 1: major fault from Grace, so apparently the organization has been
Speaker 1: maintaining files on ineligible volunteers since the nineteen twenties. The
Speaker 1: Red List, as it was called, was mistaken as an
Speaker 1: effort to root out communists rather than child molesters. Dude,
Speaker 1: I would rather have a communist hang out with my
Speaker 1: kids in the woods and be like everyone gets one
Speaker 1: marshmallow just because you're richer, Timmy doesn't mean you get
Speaker 1: to and Johnny gets one. You know, I would rather
Speaker 1: it was like a communism for dummies. You really broke
Speaker 1: that down by the thank you. I would rather my
Speaker 1: child hanging out with a communist than child molester. Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: continuing on, Um, they've dealt with abusers internally through probation
Speaker 1: program and it afforded them second chances, So why don't
Speaker 1: we why don't we say that again? Okay, they dealt
Speaker 1: with the abusers internally. Never works because that's just covering
Speaker 1: it up. You're covering it up. Don't give him a
Speaker 1: second chance in an in an organization that deals with children. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's it. It's common sense that that's it. Like when
Speaker 1: it comes to especially children especially, you get one chance,
Speaker 1: like there's no second chance. Mm hmm. I speak as
Speaker 1: someone who is not yet a parent and cannot keep
Speaker 1: a plant alive, and um, this is still the most
Speaker 1: obvious thing in the entire world to me. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's insane. And obviously I am a parent,
Speaker 1: and it's like this type of ship like organizations that
Speaker 1: were set up to quote unquote help children and then
Speaker 1: or to help the parents. You know, maybe a lot
Speaker 1: of these people, they could be single moms or single
Speaker 1: dads trying to find something for their kid and help,
Speaker 1: you know, they say it takes a village. I want
Speaker 1: someone to help, you know, with my son, and and
Speaker 1: it's like, and this is what's going on, Like that's
Speaker 1: fucking insane. And so apparently the film shows how some
Speaker 1: of the big non are still dealing with trauma of
Speaker 1: their abuse. I'm sure right. And as an organization, with
Speaker 1: the help of donations and tax breaks, they grew bigger
Speaker 1: and richer and acquired vast tracts of land, and that
Speaker 1: attracted more sexual predators. And it's interesting because their values
Speaker 1: we're on patriotism, courage, self reliance, and kindred virtues. Sorry,
Speaker 1: but I guess I don't know what a virtue is.
Speaker 1: Then if this is what these people are doing, Okay,
Speaker 1: So what's happening is in the Boy Scouts America filed
Speaker 1: for bankruptcy with more than eighty two thousand former members
Speaker 1: filing abuse claims. Two thousand thousands young boys are filing claims.
Speaker 1: That's not that's not a leak in your in your pipeline,
Speaker 1: disaster of a program. There's there's the size of a city.
Speaker 1: The national organization is preparing to pay more than two
Speaker 1: point seven billion to victims. It would be the largest
Speaker 1: ex abuse to pay out in American history. And they're
Speaker 1: saying we're heartbroken and outraged and sincerely apologize to anyone
Speaker 1: who was harmed during their time and scouting. That's what
Speaker 1: they post online. It's like, yeah, were you, because then
Speaker 1: why were you giving these people second chances? Sounds very
Speaker 1: well written, um, but you know, are we hearing from
Speaker 1: the people that gave these people second chances? Now that
Speaker 1: that's not where that statement is coming from. That maybe
Speaker 1: that statements coming from someone in the organization that didn't know,
Speaker 1: or someone that came on later, or or someone that's
Speaker 1: just writing it. I mean, it's obviously huge organization, but
Speaker 1: I don't know, like eight two thousand and I don't
Speaker 1: know how many people have gone through the Boy Scouts
Speaker 1: of America. I'd be curious to see the numbers of
Speaker 1: how many members they've ever had. Doesn't make it right,
Speaker 1: not justifying any of this, but that's either a well
Speaker 1: crafted and I'm using air quotes on this for a
Speaker 1: well crafted um PR line. But it's like, no, once
Speaker 1: you give someone a set can chance, and once you
Speaker 1: the first time you heard something happened right, that person
Speaker 1: doesn't get a second chance. And then you now have
Speaker 1: other stipulations in other ways that you have to put
Speaker 1: people screenings things to get these the people that are
Speaker 1: in charge of these things. You have to change everything
Speaker 1: right away on that first thing. Now, let me turn
Speaker 1: the butter a little more. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: said that, let me let me turn the page because
Speaker 1: wait till you hear this next thing. That will make
Speaker 1: you realize that we don't really have empathy for the
Speaker 1: air quotes of their quote unquote heartbroken and outraged nous. Okay,
Speaker 1: because by the time the rolled around, the boy Scouts
Speaker 1: were being sued regularly over the unwanted sexual attentions visited
Speaker 1: on scouts by scout masters ago. So I don't know
Speaker 1: how forty years later they're like, oh no, we're so
Speaker 1: heartbroken and outraged. You should have been heartbroken and outraged
Speaker 1: over forty years ago. And also, you know, it was
Speaker 1: like two point seven billion. Wow, that's huge. Like but
Speaker 1: this guy, he didn't say anything until he was fifty five.
Speaker 1: His entire life was ruined by that. So yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what, you do need to suffer, and you do
Speaker 1: need to make payouts, but the payoffs doesn't change the
Speaker 1: fact that these people's, these these guys lives were ruined, ruined,
Speaker 1: absolutely ruined. I mean so, by the way, if you're
Speaker 1: interested in watching this. It's called Leave No Trace. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be streaming on Hulu, and it's in theaters in
Speaker 1: New York in l A now today. But I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: So I was in Girl Scouts, and I will say
Speaker 1: we had a very questionable Scout leader. I even as
Speaker 1: a kid remember thinking something's not right here. But nothing
Speaker 1: bad happened to me. Um. I don't know if anything
Speaker 1: bad happened to anyone else, but I do remember it
Speaker 1: being odd. And the Scout leader was someone who didn't
Speaker 1: have children of her own. And I remember why I
Speaker 1: found that out or how I found that out. I
Speaker 1: just remember being something that I was told as a child. Um.
Speaker 1: I think I went on like one retreat in the
Speaker 1: woods and never went again. Yeah, it's funny. I was.
Speaker 1: I went to one boy Scout meeting. One I actually
Speaker 1: got kicked in the nuts and I decided I wasn't
Speaker 1: going back, but you know what, thank God, but just
Speaker 1: by another kid. Um. But I also, oddly enough, I
Speaker 1: was the youngest of five kids, and um, I once
Speaker 1: went to a Brownies. You meant Brownies is like the
Speaker 1: younger girl Scouts, Is that right? I think I once
Speaker 1: my sister once had to take me to a Brownies
Speaker 1: because she was babysitting. Made so I went to equal
Speaker 1: on a Brownies as I did Boy Scouts, and neither
Speaker 1: really worked out for me. But um, this is this
Speaker 1: is the thing. These are the programs that are supposed
Speaker 1: to I want to thank my sister for taking good
Speaker 1: care of me. Um, these are the programs that are
Speaker 1: supposed to help, Like I said, maybe single parents, maybe not,
Speaker 1: maybe just you know, parents that want something better for
Speaker 1: their kids and they don't even realize what was happening.
Speaker 1: And the you know what, a lot more has to
Speaker 1: come down on these things. You can't for forty years
Speaker 1: forty years plus and and financial payouts whatever you know,
Speaker 1: you know, and and maybe the Boy Scouts shuts down
Speaker 1: probably should because it certainly wasn't handled right, or it's
Speaker 1: got to be completely revamped into something else. But I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's you know, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: want to watch this, but I have this thing where
Speaker 1: I want to know stuff because it makes me more
Speaker 1: aware of stuff that goes on. So I do watch
Speaker 1: these things, and I do listen to these things, and
Speaker 1: I do read these stories, but it's heartbreaking to to
Speaker 1: also see them see that's what you think. But then
Speaker 1: how many murder docs have I watched? And yet when
Speaker 1: I was tackled to the ground, had no reaction. The
Speaker 1: other thing is like I didn't need to know. How
Speaker 1: is this going to affect me getting Girl Scout cookies?
Speaker 1: I think you're fine. I think girls got cookies are fine.
Speaker 1: We're in the clear. Yeah, all right, never mind, anyway
Speaker 1: back to our regular scheduled program. No, are you still
Speaker 1: gonna get your snacks? My thin mins? Thank god? Um okay,
Speaker 1: But I think the idea of boy Scouts is great.
Speaker 1: You know, they're teaching kids survival skills. They're teaching kids
Speaker 1: supposedly you know, about honor and and leadership and brotherhood
Speaker 1: and these are all important qualities as childs. And you're
Speaker 1: actually doing that, yes, and not reminding your lesson and
Speaker 1: an outdoor you know, wilderness skills and these are also things.
Speaker 1: I think it's ways for young men to connect to
Speaker 1: the earth and um understand, just just to be in nature,
Speaker 1: right especially I mean, like I said, I don't have kids,
Speaker 1: I know you, but to disconnect from cell phones and
Speaker 1: tablets and iPads and all this sort of gaming, all
Speaker 1: this technology that they have and just be in nature
Speaker 1: and kind of appreciate life for what it is. I
Speaker 1: think it's really important, but I'll just take my kids camping.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm good. Thank you. In theory, it's it's
Speaker 1: a it's a real it's it's a great idea for
Speaker 1: a program. But nothing is good if you don't run
Speaker 1: it right. And if you don't you know, all this
Speaker 1: stuff makes me like sometimes people like, oh, I can
Speaker 1: take your kid if you want if you can't drive
Speaker 1: most most of the time, and it's no offense to
Speaker 1: the people that offer that are good people. Most of
Speaker 1: the time, it's no And I have to constantly have
Speaker 1: conversations with my kids. That's like if anybody ever says,
Speaker 1: don't tell your mom or don't tell your dad, or
Speaker 1: let's just keep this between us, the what's the first
Speaker 1: thing that you do, and they'll like tell you, I'm
Speaker 1: like right, because that's how this ship goes. And it's
Speaker 1: disgusting and it's sad that that that people don't know better.
Speaker 1: It's like they're teaching what you say, they're teaching how
Speaker 1: to be independent and how to survive, and you know
Speaker 1: what someone needed to teach them how to fend off
Speaker 1: a fucking perfect. Yeah, it's interesting because this went on
Speaker 1: for so long before they were taken down, And you know,
Speaker 1: I think this goes to show the like, if you've
Speaker 1: got money, throw money at the problem, make it go
Speaker 1: away until it camp go away anymore, you know. And
Speaker 1: we see this time and time again. Same thing with
Speaker 1: Joe from Girls Gone Wild, same thing with um Epstein
Speaker 1: and Epstein Island. Right, Like, this was going on for
Speaker 1: a long time and just kinda n d a's payouts,
Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff until all of a sudden
Speaker 1: it boils to ahead many many many years later, and
Speaker 1: then it's, oh my gosh, is a statement like oh,
Speaker 1: we're horrified by what was going No, you're not, because
Speaker 1: you're not cover ups. Listen, cover ups only make things worse.
Speaker 1: The Church, the Voice, Scouts, whatever it may be. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: a two thousand people, that's not eight people. And even
Speaker 1: if it was a people, that's too many. But eat
Speaker 1: people in an entire organization that's nationwide. I could be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe this organization can continue on eight two people. No,
Speaker 1: they don't have a chance, Like this is third chance,
Speaker 1: poor chance Christians. This is an organization that doesn't have
Speaker 1: any system in place to make sure that sexual predators, pedophiles,
Speaker 1: members of man blah aren't involved in their organization. And
Speaker 1: they don't care. That's that's what it says to me,
Speaker 1: is they don't care about And it's like what are
Speaker 1: they doing with the money? Like who's who's who are
Speaker 1: these people at the top? Who are does Like muahaha,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting on my pile of boy scout riches. Let's
Speaker 1: give this guy a probation. Listen, sexual offenses and especially
Speaker 1: towards children, are not an in house thing to deal with.
Speaker 1: You don't deal with them in house. You don't do probation,
Speaker 1: You don't give some in a second chance. What it
Speaker 1: is is, hey, when you get out of you know,
Speaker 1: the court ordered jail time that you're going to serve,
Speaker 1: find a new career that has nothing to do with children.
Speaker 1: You Know. It's interesting because building a financial empire off
Speaker 1: of and like a wilderness campus actually kind of genius, right,
Speaker 1: because you don't have to pay for hotels, you don't
Speaker 1: have to pay for like the amount of money that
Speaker 1: it's almost like it's a stand up right, Like when
Speaker 1: you hire a band to play or you go to
Speaker 1: a musical, it's like there's so many people involved, they're
Speaker 1: so um, they're sets, their scenery, there's you know this
Speaker 1: like big sound check. They mean lots of equipment and
Speaker 1: prep time. When it's a stand up comedian's just a microphone,
Speaker 1: a chair and you know, a stool, and and so
Speaker 1: for venues, it's they of course they want to host
Speaker 1: comedians because it costs them so much less money and
Speaker 1: there's less overhead. And so now I see why it
Speaker 1: was so easy for them to build such a financial
Speaker 1: empire because they had such a small overhead compared to
Speaker 1: lots of other programs like sleepwag camps and all this
Speaker 1: other stuff. Right, it's like, oh, what you're paying for
Speaker 1: marshmallows in a tent? Right? And it's so crazy to
Speaker 1: see that the greediness of these people was taken so
Speaker 1: far that they just denied and paid out victims of
Speaker 1: sexual abuse by the leaders of their organization. Anyway, I'm
Speaker 1: disgusted with them and think that they should be shut down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if we have more to talk about
Speaker 1: with this. It's just like it's it feels like such
Speaker 1: an open and shut case in my opinion, Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: It's an open and shut case. And like I said before,
Speaker 1: there's no there's no second chances in that kind of behavior.
Speaker 1: And you know what, and unfortunately you wish oh I
Speaker 1: don't know, I was gonna say, unfortunately wish people would
Speaker 1: speak up more. That's a very difficult thing to do
Speaker 1: and a very difficult thing to say. I give extreme
Speaker 1: um props to the people that have the courage to
Speaker 1: do that. And you know, and it's even heartbreaking more
Speaker 1: when they do that in there, you know, they're not believed,
Speaker 1: or they're or they're shut you know, hushed or whatever.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree the whole thing. I have no problem.
Speaker 1: You ran it wrong for decades, you heard a lot
Speaker 1: of people. I'm fine, shut it down. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: that's the other thing too, is so many times people
Speaker 1: who come forward or not believed, or it's not taken seriously,
Speaker 1: or they're treated so poorly that they're like why would
Speaker 1: I even come forward? You know, and they just deal
Speaker 1: with it. Uh. Iould like to be a lawyer that
Speaker 1: has to defend that group and be like, no, well
Speaker 1: this person is making it up. If you really don't
Speaker 1: believe that, then you shouldn't. You shouldn't even I have
Speaker 1: a problem with with lawyers that like defense lawyers that
Speaker 1: have to like slander someone when they know pretty well
Speaker 1: that that person is telling the truth. I had a
Speaker 1: friend who was sexually assaulted. The R word that's triggering
Speaker 1: for some people, as I'm trying to avoid using it.
Speaker 1: And then she went to the hospital for an ar
Speaker 1: kid and they said where did it happen? And she
Speaker 1: told them and they said, you have to go to
Speaker 1: a hospital that's in the city located where it happened.
Speaker 1: It's like, why would you even bother? You know, It's
Speaker 1: like if these people are not even to take it
Speaker 1: seriously or are just going to push you away, or
Speaker 1: it's like why add insults injury at this point, it's
Speaker 1: just disgusting. Anyway, I wanted to not end this on
Speaker 1: a sad note, so I'll just say, um, Dmitri, Yeah, Dmitri.
Speaker 1: If if you had a rap career, what do you
Speaker 1: think your user name would be on YouTube? I would
Speaker 1: not would I'm not a rapper. I don't know that
Speaker 1: I would have a rap Do you think it would
Speaker 1: be deep deep aps? Yeah? Probably something like that with
Speaker 1: a Z or dollar sign. No, I wouldn't do the
Speaker 1: the plural like the paps, because I think it would
Speaker 1: be confused with like papsmere. Yeah. I that's immediately what
Speaker 1: I thought, And I was like, oh, I don't know
Speaker 1: of Dmitri has kind of college vibes, but maybe I
Speaker 1: think I would just do it. Give it like some
Speaker 1: random Twitter name might be like d pap seven eight
Speaker 1: four six given nine paps mars. That was my pin code?
Speaker 1: Can we cut that out? Ha ha, Yeah, it's your
Speaker 1: pin um. I entered my pin incorrectly three times yesterday
Speaker 1: and my bank was like, are you sure that was you?
Speaker 1: And I was like, yes, I'm just an idiot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm the king of forgot my password clicks. If I
Speaker 1: was a rapper, I think i'd go by um, I
Speaker 1: go by a little little joke. Girl. I think it's
Speaker 1: safe to say neither of us are gonna have rap careers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's our rap creers are over. And if you think
Speaker 1: that your rap career is just starting, leave us a voicemail.
Speaker 1: We'd love to hear a rap that you have for us,
Speaker 1: But don't make it like I can rob the seven
Speaker 1: eleven if you really did just use your head on
Speaker 1: that one. No, don't confess the commny a crime does.
Speaker 1: That's wrapping and we don't want to get involved. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's leave us a voicemail eight six s crime. That's
Speaker 1: eight six six one crime eight six six to one
Speaker 1: to seven four six three. If you go to heaven,
Speaker 1: that's where they send your phone call. I'm hoping we're
Speaker 1: out by now. You guys, we love you, Stay safe,
Speaker 1: don't comm any crimes. See you next week and you
Speaker 1: can find Dmitri online at Dmitri Pappas, Dmitri Papees and
Speaker 1: me at Lea Lamar show dates on my Instagram stories,
Speaker 1: my Instagram fee, my Twitter, or my website Lamar dot com.
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