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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome stuff.

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Speaker 2: I never told you protection of by Heart Radio, and

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Speaker 2: today we are so excited to once again be joined

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Speaker 2: by a friend of the show, contributor to the show, Joey.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, Joey.

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Speaker 4: Hello, thanks for having me. So excited to be back

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Speaker 4: as always.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we've got to you've got to come on. We've

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Speaker 2: got to have you on twice in a pretty quick succession.

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Speaker 3: That's exciting. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't happen.

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Speaker 2: And you are I hope you don't mind me saying

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Speaker 2: I've said it before, a fellow nerd.

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Speaker 3: What who told you that? I think you did?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're doing a lot of nerd content.

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Speaker 3: This month. This month being August.

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Speaker 2: I think this might come out a little bit later,

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Speaker 2: But because this is when I go to dragon Con,

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Speaker 2: which is kind of this annual event.

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Speaker 3: It's huge. I plan a lot of my year around it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that says about me, but because

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Speaker 2: of that, we have been doing a lot of content

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Speaker 2: around fandom and conventions, and you a last time we

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Speaker 2: were talking, said that you were going to a new convention,

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Speaker 2: flame Con, which is specifically geared towards queer folks, right.

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Speaker 4: It is, so first of all, totally understand the planning

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Speaker 4: your whole year around it.

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Speaker 3: I did get a text for my friend this morning

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Speaker 3: that was like, we.

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Speaker 4: Need to figure out our New York Comic con plans,

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Speaker 4: which is in October, which is less than two months away,

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Speaker 4: and I'm already like, oh no, I'm behind. Ah, there's

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Speaker 4: so many things I need to do. But you know

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Speaker 4: what that's I think that's beautiful and it's great that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Anyways, what I'm actually talking about today.

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Speaker 4: Yes, this past weekend as of when we're recording this,

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Speaker 4: so like mid August right now. I went to flame Con,

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Speaker 4: which is this comic book convention in New York that

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Speaker 4: is specifically, like you said, specifically kind of geared towards

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Speaker 4: we're creators and fans. It actually has been around since

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Speaker 4: twenty fifteen, which means this was the tenth year that

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Speaker 4: it has been around. I didn't see anything like highlighting

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Speaker 3: I was kind of surprised about.

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Speaker 4: But I don't know, maybe I just missed something, but yeah,

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Speaker 4: I thought that was cool that this was like the

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Speaker 4: tenth year this has been around, and kind of you know,

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Speaker 4: like you Annie, I have gone to Comic On in

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Speaker 4: a couple of times, both of which are like fairly big.

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Speaker 4: I'm assuming Dragon CON's probably pretty similar. They're in like

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Speaker 4: big convention centers. There's like a lot of things happening.

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Speaker 4: This one I like because it's a little bit smaller,

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Speaker 4: it's a little bit more niche although I definitely did

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Speaker 4: notice this year that there was a bigger turnout than

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Speaker 4: time going. I went two years ago for the first time.

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Speaker 4: That was super fun, had a great time, so I

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Speaker 4: was like, definitely gonna go back this year. It ended

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Speaker 4: up landing around the same time as one of my

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it was really fun.

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Speaker 4: I came up when we were talking about kind of

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Speaker 4: future episodes and I was.

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Speaker 3: Like, I'll come in and talk about my experience at flame.

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Speaker 4: Con because that had a fun time, and I think

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Speaker 4: this is a cool event, and I think it should,

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Speaker 3: I think that would be great.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm so interested in this because I've only

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Speaker 2: dragon Con. Dragon CON's huge. I've been to a couple

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Speaker 2: that sounds quite like this, so I'm really interested in that.

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Speaker 2: I also, I've got to ask, what did you did?

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Speaker 2: You cosplay?

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Speaker 3: Is it I did?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so this actually what I did. I mentioned.

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Speaker 4: This is the second time I've gone. I went two

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Speaker 4: This time, I did caused play both days. First day,

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Speaker 4: all along, one of my favorite characters, and my friend

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Speaker 4: going with was dress as whole Lang who's his boyfriend?

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Speaker 3: That was super fun.

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Speaker 4: I always loved doing a couple cosplays with people that

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Speaker 3: Like thanks, we're just best to us. And but that

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Speaker 4: Annie, I don't know if you've had like a similar experience,

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Speaker 3: Uh oh yeah.

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Speaker 4: The first time I went, right, So, the first time

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Speaker 4: I went, like two years ago, I spent a lot

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Speaker 4: we all just spent money to get dressed up and

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Speaker 4: like if you're going in costume, and especially if it's

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Speaker 4: like twenty minutes of my day total ended up just

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Speaker 3: So I had so much fun with that.

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Speaker 4: I know it's not for everybody, but I was like, great,

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Speaker 4: it's like micronosing being a celebrity, Like, yes, it is me,

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Speaker 1: I love that. So I don't know much about this convention.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, I barely know much about Dragon cun that's because

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Speaker 4: So is this like multiple day yeah as well, Yeah

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Speaker 4: definitely like much more fan led than it is like by.

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Speaker 3: These big corporations, the corporations, but you can.

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Speaker 4: Definitely tell, I think in the like panels that are

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Speaker 3: I really like that.

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Speaker 4: I think like something that really stood out that made

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Speaker 3: I'll be real. This year, I didn't end up actually going.

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Speaker 4: To that many panels because I spent a lot of it.

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Speaker 4: I think again it was I was going with big

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Speaker 3: I did go to one panel.

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Speaker 4: To be totally honest, I was not super impressed by it,

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Speaker 4: But I'm not going to make a judgment on the

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Speaker 4: But a lot of the panels are when you go

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Speaker 3: They're often put on.

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Speaker 4: thank you, there we go. But for this kind of thing,

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Speaker 4: I want. There was you know, panels about like fan

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Speaker 4: which I think is really cool and fun. They're also

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Speaker 4: But uh, and that is something I think, like I

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Speaker 5: This is no more of like that's just an ad

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Speaker 4: I have definitely had Samantha ask me what's before?

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Speaker 3: But tell me, tell me how cool I can be?

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Speaker 4: So cool, the coolest Anyway, I heard text by.

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Speaker 4: I'm currently attempting to make a Winter Soldier arm for October,

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Speaker 4: movie is queer. I'm sure many people to have that takeaway.

443
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 2: One of my favorite, one of my favorite headlines I've

444
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 2: ever read was Riders of Winter Soldier perplexed by erotic

445
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 2: takes on.

446
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 4: Okay, that brings me by next point, the Stucky.

447
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,400
Speaker 3: Renaissance is real, It's happening.

448
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 4: There was so much a Stucky fan art when our

449
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 4: Soldier came out, what like over ten years ago at

450
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 4: this point at least I got there. Was also one

451
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 4: of the artists I was talking to because they had

452
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 4: a zine like a stucky zine and I was like,

453
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 4: oh my god, this is amazing.

454
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 3: I need this.

455
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 4: And I was talking to them and I was like, yeah,

456
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 4: I like watched Thunderbolts and it like reawoke like a

457
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 4: part of my brain that's been dormant for like five years.

458
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 4: Like I was like, I haven't Like I was like, oh,

459
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 4: I used to be so into this, like I love it.

460
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 4: And then it was like I forrit and then like Thunderbolts,

461
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 4: it was like wait a minute, yes, Bucky Barnes, what

462
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 4: a guy. They were like page and the first page

463
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 4: of the scene is like a little cartoon of them

464
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 4: being like me and my friends watched Thunderbolts and I

465
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 4: was like, wait a minute, these are like we should

466
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 4: go back and watch Witter Soldier. Those are good movies,

467
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 4: like the greatest gay love story of all time. Yeah,

468
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,199
Speaker 4: I would love to sit down with like the like

469
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 4: creative crew behind like the Russo Brothers or whatever, like

470
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 4: who are doing the.

471
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 3: Winter Soldier in like Civil War movies. And she's like,

472
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 3: how did you not see that? This was like where

473
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 3: this was going, Like this.

474
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 4: Was like peak Tumblr like queer Baiting era.

475
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: Anyways, I'm gonna have to find that article for you

476
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 2: because they have hilarious quotes in there.

477
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 3: It's so funny.

478
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 5: They're all like what I just saw a TikTok video

479
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 5: of a woman who was She's like, had a picture

480
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 5: of Bucky bars in like on her computer, and her

481
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 5: boss came through and he's like, wait, you're lesbian.

482
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, obviously.

483
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 4: I know so many lesbians that are obsessed with Bucking Yards.

484
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 3: Again, Bucky Barnes is a gay icon. There's so much evidence.

485
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 3: First of all, he is absolutely queer. Those movies.

486
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: I just.

487
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 4: I like, I can't imagine watching Winter Soldier not being like,

488
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 4: so this is a love story, but.

489
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 3: That he's just he's just such a Yeah, I know,

490
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,239
Speaker 3: I know so many lesbians that are obsessed with him too.

491
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 3: There's some things.

492
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 4: So anyways, we are in the middle of the Bucky

493
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 4: Barnes Renaissance, the Stucky Renaissance, and I think that is beautiful.

494
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 3: Also, a lot of Superman.

495
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 4: You know, this was another one where I was like,

496
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 4: I like like, yeah, actually, I think we need like

497
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 4: Superman is kind of a gay icon. There's a lot

498
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 4: of particularly I think like cis gay men that I

499
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 4: think we're gravitating towards Superman as a character, which I

500
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 4: love seeing that too. On them being kind of on

501
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 4: the other side of like primarily being in like lesbian spaces.

502
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 3: I'm always like, what are the what.

503
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 4: Are the guys into, what is the.

504
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: The what is the trend today?

505
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 3: What is good?

506
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, but there were a lot of Superman surprisingly not

507
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 4: a lot of Superbat stuff. Would have loved to see

508
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 4: a little bit more of that, but you know, it's

509
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 4: all right, It's all right. The TikTok edits have been

510
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 4: a stellar for that if anybody's spent a lot of

511
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 4: time scrolling through the David Corn Sweat Robert Pattinson super

512
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 4: Bad edits on TikTok. But yeah, and so yeah, and again,

513
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 4: like I said, lots of X Men, all the classics.

514
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 4: Something that I thought was really cool about, like the

515
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 4: costplay sides of things that I think was unique to

516
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 4: this event is there were a lot of couse players

517
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 4: that are incorporated elements of drag also into their costumes.

518
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 4: My friend Hackett, who I went with, who was caused

519
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 4: blind cokling the first day alongside my weekend, they were

520
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 4: also kind of like they like made a point to

521
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 4: do sort of like drag King style make up for

522
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 4: the costume.

523
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 3: The if you're not familiar, the character.

524
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 4: Is green, so they did a full green makeup, which

525
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 4: literally I got there and they were like still in

526
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 4: the middle of doing their makeup, and I was like,

527
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 4: I'm running late, and I was like, oh, I just

528
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 4: have to put on like a body.

529
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 3: Suit and I'm done.

530
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think that is something that is like

531
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 4: cool about this event specifically compared to other sort of

532
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 4: cosplay events like new or Comic Con or something, there's

533
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 4: more of the like drag element, which I think is

534
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 4: really cool, Which brings me to talking about kind of

535
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 4: the like intersections of dragon.

536
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: Cosplay, because I think this is something that.

537
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 4: Has gotten a little bit more It is like kind

538
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 4: of a subsect of drag that I think has gotten

539
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 4: a little bit more attention lately. And yeah, obviously, like

540
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 4: I've heard at an event like this that is specifically

541
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 4: like aimed at or geared towards the queer community, there

542
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 4: were a lot of people that were like drag queens

543
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 4: as well, that were yeah, like a lot of very

544
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 4: cool like drag queen X men type cosplays, a lot

545
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 4: of other characters that looked very cool that I couldn't.

546
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 4: It is fun to go around with the group and

547
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 4: like try to figure out like all of our collective knowledge,

548
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 4: like who are the being? Like okay, wait, I don't

549
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 4: know what that person is, but like somebody here probably does.

550
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: Oh.

551
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 3: I love that part. It's always so fun. Yeah.

552
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: Uh.

553
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 4: Which brings me to talk about another event that I

554
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 4: mentioned to you guys, which was about a month ago.

555
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 4: There was a DC themed drag show that I went

556
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,239
Speaker 4: to that was in New York that is hosted by

557
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 4: a group called Oddball oddspelled a UD. It is produced

558
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 4: by the drag queen Subtley Audrey, hence the name. But

559
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 4: I they've been doing these shows for like a minute.

560
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 4: I'm not sure exactly how long it's been around it like.

561
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 3: A year or two.

562
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 4: They did a really cool Star Wars themed one for

563
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 4: me the fourth that I went to, which Annie, this.

564
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:58,959
Speaker 3: Reminds me, I need to send you some videos from that.

565
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: It was so cool I went to a drag show.

566
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 4: But that's exactly kind of what I think is really

567
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 4: interesting because I feel like this sort of this specific intersection,

568
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 4: Like to me, cosplay and drag have always been like

569
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 4: very connected, but I think like it hasn't been given

570
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 4: as much attention as like a lot of more like

571
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 4: quote unquote traditional forms of drag. I thought it was

572
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 4: interesting that like the drag queen mcgammy, who is like

573
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 4: based in Brooklyn, she was on Falls Drag Race recently.

574
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 4: She's somebody who, like I originally followed her for her

575
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 4: cosplay content, like she has done a lot with like

576
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 4: mining cosplay and drag. But yeah, if you're interested in,

577
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,479
Speaker 4: like if you're in the New York area, I definitely

578
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 4: would recommend checking out Oddball.

579
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: They're amazing. They have some amazing performers.

580
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 4: One of my favorite drag kings, Max Pleasure, was is

581
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 4: very inbund and bold, really involved with it, and he

582
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 4: did a like Clark Kent Superman one that was making

583
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 4: its rounds on the internet.

584
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 3: You know, that was amazing. There was a like a

585
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: drag king Superman, which was amazing.

586
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 4: This person also had gone viral recently for doing a

587
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 4: Edward Colin themed drag show, which I am now realizing

588
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 4: I need to send a producer Christina as well.

589
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 3: And yeah, I love this event.

590
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 4: I love this show because it combines, like obviously two

591
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 4: of my favorite things are cosplay and drag but yeah,

592
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 4: like for me personally, I I would say, like my

593
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 4: kind of into getting into like my own kind of drag.

594
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 3: I'm very early to like.

595
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 4: Don't ask me what my drag king name is yet,

596
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 4: I've changed it like three times for TVD TVD. But

597
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 4: like for me, that was kind of my method where

598
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 4: my route in was cosplay.

599
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: I you know.

600
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 4: Obviously, like a lot of people get into drag because

601
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 4: it is kind of a safe way to explore gender

602
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 4: expression and presentation.

603
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 3: And to me, like that's kind of what cosplay was

604
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 3: early on too.

605
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 4: I started getting into causeway around like twenty twenty one,

606
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 4: twenty two. It was still sort of like the early

607
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 4: aftermath of the pandemic. I like also had just graduated

608
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 4: and had kind of like had all of a sudden

609
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 4: all this free time, was like, I maybe you should

610
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 4: get into like copies. I always wanted to as a kid,

611
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 4: So like I was using drag, like I was making

612
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 4: tiktoks online.

613
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: I was like it was like a fun.

614
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 4: Silly way to kind of keep partaking and like creative

615
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 4: activities around this point, Like I at that point kind

616
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 4: of knew that I wasn't cis gender, but I was

617
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 4: still sort of exploring like what that meant to me,

618
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 4: and I think like for me, cosplay was a way

619
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 4: to kind of explore different versions of masculinity, different like

620
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 4: look at you know, a lot of times are gender

621
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 4: images of gender come from fiction, come from like the

622
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 4: images around us. So I was able to be like, Okay,

623
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 4: what happens if I lean into this character that I

624
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 4: really have like.

625
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 3: Identified with whatever.

626
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 4: Again, I kind of I kind of at this point,

627
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,239
Speaker 4: had like known I was trans for a little bit

628
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 4: at that point, but like, I definitely like I have

629
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 4: friends that sort of were able to come out through

630
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 4: like making consplay videos and being like, actually.

631
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 3: I feel way more comfortable dressing this way or presenting

632
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 3: this way.

633
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 4: Which it's again, I think, very similar to drag for

634
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 4: a lot of people, a lot of uh obviously not everybody,

635
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 4: Like plenty of sis people also do drag. But you know,

636
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 4: I've been going back and rewatching, going to the or

637
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 4: not rewatching. I'm watching them for the first time. I'm

638
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,239
Speaker 4: so sorry, I'm a terrible gay, but I have been

639
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 4: watching a lot of the old like RuPaul's Drag Race

640
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 4: seasons for the first time, and it's really interesting to

641
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 4: like see how many like contestants on the show have

642
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 4: come out as trans since then, Like there have been

643
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 4: a lot that I'm like, oh, I know you because

644
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 4: you're this like trans icon now, but like it's cool

645
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 4: to see you like go through that journey. So yeah,

646
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 4: I again, I think like these are two sort of

647
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 4: like art forms that have a lot in common, they

648
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 4: have a lot of overlap. I think it's really cool

649
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 4: to see like this again, like that sort of combo

650
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 4: getting a lot more mainstream attention. I think like getting

651
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 4: to be in a space that celebrates both and celebrates

652
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 4: the ways that, you know, because oftentimes I'm like either

653
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 4: doing some sort of like cosplay thing where it's like.

654
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 3: More focused on that side of things.

655
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 4: It's you know, I have some lovely straight friends that

656
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 4: are caused players who you know, not for me, but

657
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 4: I'm happy for them, and I'm an ally but uh,

658
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 4: you know, like obviously not always like super queer spaces.

659
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 4: And then on the flip side, sometimes it's like I

660
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 4: love I go to a lot of drag shows. I

661
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 4: do love drag, Like I think it is really important

662
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: to just like celebrate drag in general, but like it's

663
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 4: cool to also get the opportunity to be like, yeah,

664
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 4: what would happen if, like Emma Frost was a drag queen.

665
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: I do have on the back burner.

666
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 4: I've had a Red Hood themed dragging act that I

667
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 4: want to do at some point, I just like have

668
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 4: not had.

669
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 3: The opportunity to do so.

670
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 4: If anybody wants to hire me to do that, my

671
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:10,239
Speaker 4: dms are open, but just saying not Anyways, Yeah, I

672
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 4: had a great weekend.

673
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: I had a great time. I think.

674
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 4: You know, again, it's so cool to see like people

675
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 4: are so creative.

676
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 3: There were some really.

677
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 4: Cool costumes that I saw, Like I probably stopped like

678
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 4: at least one hundred people.

679
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 3: To be like, oh my god, I love your outfit.

680
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 3: You look so good. So yeah, just felt like a

681
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 3: great space.

682
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 4: And yeah, if you if this seems like the kind

683
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 4: of event that you'd be interested in, it is August

684
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 4: every year, so unfortunately you're gonna have to wait another

685
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 4: year I guess till the.

686
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 3: Next one, but more time to plan. Yeah.

687
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, So for those who are new to going

688
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 5: to cons and really are excited about going to something

689
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 5: like this, how would you tell them. Let's say it's

690
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 5: the first time, because you know, I didn't go to

691
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 5: the first con until God pandemic, but it was like

692
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 5: a couple of years before the pandemic because I was

693
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 5: so anxious about all that, so I needed a pep talk.

694
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 5: What would your pep talk be to prepare someone to

695
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 5: come into a con?

696
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 4: First of all, like totally understandable because like literally same I.

697
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: It was definitely something for like forever.

698
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 4: I was like, I want to have like I've always

699
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 4: wanted to go to New York Comic Con, but I

700
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 4: like never have. And then for me it ended up

701
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 4: happening like literally just because I was going to be

702
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 4: in town like that. I was still living in Chicago

703
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 4: at the time, but I was like going to be

704
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 4: in New York that week anyway, So I was like, sure,

705
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 4: like some of my friends are going, might as well.

706
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing is And like.

707
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 4: I totally got that because I'm also somebody who I think,

708
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 4: like I can be a very anxious person. I think

709
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 4: going into a new thing that you haven't done before

710
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 4: obviously very your nerve wracking. Just do it like it

711
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 4: is so fine, You're have so much fun, you know obviously,

712
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 4: like know what.

713
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 3: Your limits are. If you're somebody that doesn't really like crowds.

714
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 4: I would say try not to go on like a Saturday,

715
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 4: those are usually the busiest day. But yeah, I honestly

716
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 4: think my best advice is like just go for it,

717
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 4: Like just you don't have to cause play your first

718
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 4: time you go. Like again, my first time that I

719
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 4: went to this thing, I just I was wearing like.

720
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 3: A T shirt and shorts.

721
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 4: Probably, I think like you can, yeah, like if you

722
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 4: want to just go and like see what's up, see

723
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 4: what's going on. I've for the most part, had a

724
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 4: really great time. I've like mostly had really great interaction

725
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,959
Speaker 4: with people. Again, I think like this kind of thing

726
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 4: because it's something that it's like people are just kind

727
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 4: of passionate about and like you know, it's it's just

728
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 4: people like exploring things that they enjoy and they.

729
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 3: Want to talk about.

730
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 4: Like people who are generally pretty nice about that, pretty

731
00:35:47,360 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 4: open minded. So yeah, just do the thing, yay.

732
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: One of the great things about a space like that,

733
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: and even something like Dragon Con, which I think you

734
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 2: we have to get.

735
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 3: You at Joe too. Yeah, when is it.

736
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: It's Labor Day weekend, but it's a hybrid of comic

737
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: con and something like that. It's I think it's actually

738
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: much more fan driven than anything else. But they do

739
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: have they do have big celebrities here, but I don't

740
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 2: go to any panels.

741
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 3: It's about the costumes and all that stuff.

742
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: But anyway, one of the great things about that those

743
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: spaces is that people post like if you go on

744
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 2: to the dragon Con reddit right now and you're like,

745
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: I'm nervous, I've never been, people will tell you.

746
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 3: Here are my tips.

747
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

748
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, So people are out there for you and they'll

749
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: give you they'll give you pretty honest advice. And what

750
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 2: I love about this too is fandom notoriously has a

751
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: bad record of being gatekeeping. So it's nice to see

752
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 2: that we're getting more more women and people of color

753
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: and queer people in space is like a huge event

754
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 2: like dragon Con, but it's also nice to know that

755
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: like this space is specifically yeah for us.

756
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 4: Exactly because I think that is like I've seen the

757
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 4: same thing where I think like especially you know, when

758
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 4: I was like growing up, it was always kind of like, oh,

759
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 4: it was weird that you were like a girl that

760
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 4: was into Star Wars like that kind of thing, which

761
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 4: and again, like I was younger, so I wasn't really

762
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 4: in a lot of these like spaces, but it was

763
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 4: like online stuff or whatever.

764
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 3: There was a lot of gatekeeping.

765
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 4: I think I've definitely seen especially because like a lot

766
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 4: of this stuff has gone like more mainstream too. It

767
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 4: has gotten a lot more like friendly towards yeah, like

768
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 4: women and people of color and queer people.

769
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, it is also nice to have that space

770
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 3: where like if I start talking about stuck you, nobody's

771
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 3: gonna be like wait what.

772
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 4: And yeah, I think again, like kind of what you

773
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 4: said with the Reddit threads, Like at the end of

774
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 4: the day, it's imprtant to remember, like everybody going to

775
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 4: this is like a nerd Like we're like, we're all dorcs,

776
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 4: Like we're all kind of like again, it is sort

777
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 4: of a space where people you get to just be

778
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 4: your like weirdest self, and I think, like that's the

779
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 4: beautiful thing about it is like nobody's gonna judge you.

780
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 3: Nobody's going to or maybe.

781
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 4: Maybe they will, but they're gonna keep it to themselves,

782
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 4: like nobody's gonna say anything to you. It is all

783
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 4: kind of like it really does feel like a safe space,

784
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 4: and I think that that I think is very nice

785
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 4: to have another just like quick note, I would say

786
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 4: is because I definitely, like before going to like NEWR

787
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 4: Comic on or whatever, it was sort of like, oh no,

788
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 4: I need to like figure out, like are there panels

789
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 4: that I want to go to? Like how am I

790
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 4: gonna spend my whole time the day?

791
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 3: It goes by so fast?

792
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 4: Again, I literally spent like ninety percent of my time

793
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 4: just like walking around and like talking to artists and

794
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 4: like looking at stuff that people were selling and like

795
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 4: talking to like people that weren't there. You get, like, yes,

796
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 4: if you want to go to panels, if you want

797
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 4: to go to like photo shoots, do that find those things?

798
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,479
Speaker 4: Like I would recommend maybe figuring out when they're gonna

799
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 4: be ahead of time and making sure like Okay, I

800
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 4: have like ten minutes to go walk over to the

801
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 4: other side of the venue, but you don't have to,

802
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 4: like you can totally just go into one of these

803
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 4: things and not go to a single panel, Like it's

804
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 4: still fun. I've done that before and I've had a

805
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 4: great time. So yeah, yeah, I wouldn't stress about the

806
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 4: like having to plan out every moment of the day

807
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 4: and making sure I'm doing like something and making the

808
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 4: most of the money that I spent on the.

809
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 3: Ticket because you're gonna have fun. You're gonna have fun

810
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 3: either way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And.

811
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: If that's something you're interested in, then definitely plan out

812
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 2: the panels. But otherwise, yeah, you're you're not gonna be

813
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: lacking for seeing amazing creativity that that and that's what

814
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: I love. I just love seeing the things people come

815
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: up with that are so niche and so funny and

816
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: creative and amazing. That's that won me over. I used

817
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 2: to go to pan was all the time, and now

818
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, maybe I'll go.

819
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 3: To a panel. Maybe it's a panel.

820
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 4: Maybe there was a like x Men podcast panel one

821
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 4: of the days that I was gonna go to because

822
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 4: I was like, I should industry, this is my thing.

823
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 4: And then I think I like literally and I was

824
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 4: at like they had like a Cosplayer contest that was

825
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 4: like right before it, and I was just sort of like, okay,

826
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 4: I could leave this early or like this has been fun,

827
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 4: maybe I'll just stay like.

828
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 3: That kind of thing.

829
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I did a panel once.

830
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: I was on a panel, but you've been out of panels.

831
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 3: It was great, it was.

832
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: Great, but I definitely was like, I've got to do

833
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: this thing. I would rather be watching.

834
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's kind of nice to just be able

835
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 4: to yeah, like to be able to walk around and

836
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 4: not think about like it's like, you know when you like,

837
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 4: I feel like it's like when you go on vacation.

838
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 4: There's like two ways of doing it, and there's one

839
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 4: where you're just like, I'm just gonna like relax and

840
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 4: have fun and not do anything, and the other way

841
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 4: is the like I'm gonna make the like itinerary and

842
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 4: all the million things to do.

843
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: I have been both versions of that. I've been both people.

844
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 4: But it's like, you know, sometimes it's fun to have

845
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 4: the whole itinerary and do all the things, and sometimes.

846
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,479
Speaker 3: It's fun to just walk around and see what happens, you.

847
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: Know, yeah yeah mm hmmm. Trust me, you will see

848
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: things that you will see things.

849
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 3: And watch this. But I love that.

850
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,959
Speaker 2: Like honestly, Jack and Cott, I'll just be walking around

851
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden there's a huge conco line

852
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: of people from and Or and I'm like, well, we're

853
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 2: not doing this, so yep, this is my life next

854
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: Twitter a minute.

855
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 3: And it's nice.

856
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: You never know what wonderful things you might encounter exactly

857
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: exactly and.

858
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 3: It's always fun.

859
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 4: Like New Ork com around, there's always like a couple

860
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 4: of people that have like like they've clearly built this

861
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 4: like whole thing, and they're on like stilts and there's

862
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 4: like a big helmet, and I'm always like, yes, kudos

863
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 4: to you. Forget I'm like, I I've got my doc

864
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 4: Martin's on.

865
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 3: I am on the ground. I like, oh yeah, I'm

866
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 3: with you. I'm on the side of it. I'd rather

867
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 3: just stay comfy and you know, within reason me as well,

868
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 3: me as well.

869
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: But those costumes, I'm so impressed when I see them,

870
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: and yeah, shout out to you.

871
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 3: I love it. Yeah, I was like you, I love

872
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: to see it. I love to experience it. I will

873
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 3: not put in the effort to do that, but I

874
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: love seeing other people do it.

875
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, and it's also awesome, like the stories

876
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 2: you'll get out of it. Now we're just doing it

877
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: a you go to a condition. Yeah, but the stories

878
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: you'll get out of it. Because one time, I like

879
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: got an elevator and there was just a doalk and

880
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: the elevator. There was no other person and the dollc

881
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Speaker 2: was moving and I was like, hello, it's just the

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Speaker 2: experiences the random random experiences you can have pretty great.

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Speaker 2: Thanks yeah, yeah, yes, well, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: coming on and talking about this.

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Speaker 3: Obviously I could go on and on, well like.

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Speaker 4: A whole like extra three hour debrief after this, and

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Speaker 4: we'll just yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well it's a bad time. Where can the Goods listeners

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Speaker 3: find you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you want to find me on the internet,

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00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 4: I am h You can find me on Instagram or Twitter,

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00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 4: although I don't really interact with Twitter that much anymore,

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00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 4: but you can find me at Pat not Pratt.

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Speaker 3: That is p A TT and no T p r

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Speaker 3: A T T.

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Speaker 4: I actually had a recent I had a new show

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Speaker 4: that I'm starting on, and that I had, I had

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Speaker 4: a totally different pronunciation of my last name that I've

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00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 4: never heard before.

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00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 3: It was just pats. They add an extra ass to

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Speaker 3: the end, and I.

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00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 4: Was like, usually I have to tell people not to

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00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 4: say Pratt, but I haven't gotten pats before, so you know. Anyways,

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00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 4: that is my last name is Pat. It's four letters.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty easy. It just gets Nobody can get it right.

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Speaker 3: Apparently, it's simple.

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Speaker 4: I guess if you want to see more of my

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00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 4: cosplay stuff, you could find me on TikTok at hot.

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00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 3: Topic, Dad, that's hot topic.

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00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 4: Like the store and then just dad one word sorry

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00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 4: and advanced.

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00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 3: But yeah.

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Speaker 4: And you could also listen to a couple other shows

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Speaker 4: that I work on, which are There Are No Girls

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00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 4: on the Internet with Bridget Todd, a friend of the show,

916
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 4: or After Lives, which.

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00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 3: Just wrapped up its second season about Marsha P. Johnson.

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00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 4: If you are queer or interested in queer history or

919
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 4: New York City history, or just like.

920
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 3: Things that have happened in the past, you should go

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Speaker 3: ahead and listen to that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, And you can also hear Joey on a

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Speaker 2: couple other episodes, Oh yeah, this show, but yes, the listeners.

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00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: If you haven't checked all of those things out, you should.

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited to talk some cosplay shop with you, Joey.

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Speaker 3: I hope you have to.

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Speaker 4: I need to, Like I've reached the point like I

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00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 4: was like, I know, I need.

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Speaker 3: To lock in.

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00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 4: I'm doing two cosplays that I know are going to

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Speaker 4: require a lot of like making things for them, and

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Speaker 4: so I was like, all right, i gotta start.

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Speaker 3: I gotta get started now.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be a back of me ro I

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Speaker 4: did do a little bit of like rushing the week

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Speaker 4: before for this one.

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Speaker 3: But I was like, I can't do that again. It's

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Speaker 3: gonna be that's gonna be too much happening.

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Speaker 4: I did just also find out this group Oddball that

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00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 4: did the drag show they're doing a like Comic Co

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Speaker 4: New York Comic Con after party Saturday night. Shout out

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Speaker 4: to that there people you know are interested. I will probably,

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00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 4: but I like was like, all right, I do really

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Speaker 4: want to go. I love this group. I level the

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Speaker 4: shows I put on. Am I I'm not sleeping.

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Speaker 3: This weekend if I go to this like, I'm just

947
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Speaker 3: it's not happening.

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Speaker 4: That is the only thing we'll see y'all might see

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Speaker 4: me dressed is buy from arcane, shaking from like having

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Speaker 4: five coffees that morning. Uh, Sunday of New York Comic Con.

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Speaker 4: Who's to say, Who's to say, hey.

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Speaker 2: Do what you gotta do? Well, I can't wait too.

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Speaker 2: We'll have to touch back after that check in. We will,

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Speaker 2: we will, uh huh Okay. Well, in the meantime, listeners,

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Speaker 2: if you would like to contact us, you can our

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00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: emails hello at stuff I Never told you dot com,

957
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: or also on blue Sky at Moms a podcast or

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00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 2: on Instagram and TikTok at stuff I've never told you.

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00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: We're us on YouTube and we have a news store

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Speaker 2: for merch Cotton Bureau.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: It's got some cool stuff on there, so check that out.

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Speaker 2: And we have a book you can get wherever you

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Speaker 2: get your books. Thanks as always to our super producer Christina,

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Speaker 2: our executive producer May, and our computer Joey, who is

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Speaker 2: here with us today. Thank you, thank you, and thanks

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Speaker 2: to you for listening stuff I never told you to

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Speaker 2: put should i Heart Radio for more podcasts from my

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