1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm not going to 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: stuff one never told you production of iHeart Radio in 3 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: our continuing which movie classics which being w I T H. 4 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: I guess I probably don't need to say that, but 5 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: just in case for this month, we had to bring 6 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: back Hocus Focus. We had to because the sequel just 7 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: came out on Disney Plus, which is not currently a sponsor, 8 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: has been in the past, but not right now. And 9 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: as we record this, we haven't watched it yet, but 10 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: I think by the time you hear this, we will 11 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 1: have watched it and done a Monday mini on it 12 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: on our Oh yeah, I think it's gonna be fun. 13 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: It's so funny to me how many people are so 14 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: excited about We've been waiting. We've been waiting for years. 15 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: We have well, they have a trailer that came out 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: um where it was like however many years ago. It 17 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 1: was a audible gasp when I was watching it with people. 18 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: They've been teasing us about this for years, so about 19 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: damn time. That's right, that's right. I got a whole 20 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: party plan. I'm gonna do like a bunch of fall stuff. 21 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: Um yeah, and it's getting kind of chilly, So I'm 22 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: gonna for it for right now in Georgia. It's it's 23 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: gonna like get all cuddled up and drink some cider 24 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: and I'm excited. That's right. Um, And listeners, oh my gosh, oh, 25 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: please write in and let us know your experience. If 26 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: you had a party planned, if you did any like 27 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: fuged recipes or drinks, let us know. But in the meantime, 28 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and somebody, 29 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: and I'm not going to stuff I've never told your 30 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: protection of I heart radio, I guess her today's questions. 31 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: We're for this feminis movie Friday. We're talking about two 32 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: movies that I had never seen, but you had. What 33 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: was it like rewatching them for you? Uh? Yeah? So 34 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: I really did forget everything about both movies, which are 35 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: practical magic in which is of east Wick? Yes, but 36 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: I will say for both of them, the fashion alone 37 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: took me back, and I actually went off on which 38 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: is of east Wick, because I'm like, it's back that 39 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: fashion is bad. What they were wearing they're wearing now 40 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: and I'm like, holy, what is happening? The fashion was 41 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: pretty astounding. I in fact, um realized that I had 42 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: the shirt Sandra Bullock is wearing in Practical Magic when 43 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: she's like running to this kiss, which, by the way, 44 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: I laughed so hard at that scene, and I'm singing 45 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: that next time we can have karaoke, um, and she's 46 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: running in the beginning to her apple guy. I had 47 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: that shirt she was wearing. I owned that in high school. 48 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, are you ready for that range? 49 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: Because faith Hill has a whole different range. I'm probably 50 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: just going to butcher agreement. Are you gonna streement? You're 51 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: gonna at it like, yeah, exactly exactly. Um. So yeah, 52 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: today we're talking about those two movies. Uh and trigger 53 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: warning for talks of abuse and abusive relationships. Obviously we're 54 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: not going to get too into the details of that. 55 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: But if you've seen um these movies, then you know 56 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: what we're talking about. Um. Practical Magic is getting a 57 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: prequel on HBO Max called Rules of Magic. UM. And 58 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, accidentally timely in a lot 59 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: of cases now, because all these witchy movies we've been 60 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: talking about are getting some sort of remake or sequel, 61 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: like The Craft, Pocus Pocus, The Witches and by the way, 62 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: Hocus Focus is now the top grossing movie in theaters. 63 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: In just beat Empire strikes back. People like these witching 64 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: witching movies as you should. It's so good, I will say, Uh, 65 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: just throw this out there, which is of Eastwick. I 66 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: don't see any necessarily remakes. There's kind of like back 67 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: and forth. But I did see in like the early 68 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: two thousands or two thousand nine. I believe Rebecca Romaine 69 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: started in a TV show version of it called Eastwick 70 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: did not last long apparently. I don't remember this well. 71 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: If any listeners know having information on that show or remember, 72 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: please right in. Um, so let's get right into it. 73 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: We're gonna start with Practical Magic. Um. Practical Magic is 74 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: a rom com. I anstitate to call it that, but 75 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: I guess that's the closest thing. It is, starring Sandra 76 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: Bullock Nicole Kidman as sisters Sally and Jillian Owens, who yes, 77 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: are witches. Um. It's based on Alice Hoffman book of 78 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: the same name. When the movie came out, it was 79 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: hammered by critics. Hammered um and entertainment wee clear review 80 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: said it must have had a hex on it. Uh. 81 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: Some declared it anti feminist because of the focus on 82 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: love spells and heterosexual relationships. Like most of these movies 83 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: we've been talking about recently, though, it went on to 84 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: get a cult following, and it was also a rarity 85 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: for its time, a cast of mostly women, where the 86 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: women were the main characters and the men had a 87 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: little agency, and these women were multigenerational women. Um, it 88 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: really defied genre. And it's well loved. Uh. It has 89 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: a five star rating on Amazon Prime with almost seven 90 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: thousand reviews right This film is directed by Griffin Dune, who, 91 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: by the way, it was a lifelong friend with Carrie Fishers, 92 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: who said he understood the movie as a story of 93 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: strong women passing on a legacy generation to generation. And 94 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: they brought a witch consultant on set who demanded a 95 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: percentage of the movie earnings and an additional two hundred 96 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars, but when she refused, she lost it. Reportedly, 97 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: she said, quote, I'm going to put a curse on you. 98 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 1: I'm putting a curse on this movie, and I'm putting 99 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: a curse on Griffith. Apparently, she started speaking in tongues 100 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: and sued Warner Brothers and the recording of her scared 101 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: legal so much that they just eventually paid her um. 102 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: And by the way, this became the inspiration for one 103 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: of the most well known lines in the film, which 104 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: is curses only have power if you believe in them. 105 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: And by the way, Griffith got a mini exorcism. Yeah, 106 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: he it was in an article with Fulster. I believe 107 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: and he said he paid a hundred dollars for it. 108 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: And he was like, you know, I don't believe it, 109 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,679 Speaker 1: but I was nervous enough that why not justink case? 110 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: Why would it hurt? So the plot of this film 111 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: all of the two sisters Yeah, who were raised by 112 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: their aunts whom I loved played by soccer Channing and 113 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: Diane was East West Um after the death of their parents, 114 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: as they battle a curse on their family that sentences 115 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: any man and Owen's woman falls in love with two 116 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: deaths and this is this curse took their parents from them. 117 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: Their mother died of a heartbreak after her husband was 118 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: killed by this curse. Uh. And it all started after 119 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: one of their ancestors was banished on Maria's Island, Massachusetts, 120 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: UM and she escaped execution. She was pregnant. She was 121 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: waiting for her lover to join her. When he didn't, 122 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: she cast a spell that would keep her from ever 123 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: falling in love again, but died soon after her in 124 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: the spell sort of got twisted up into this curse 125 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: that promises death to any man and Owen's woman falls 126 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: in love with. And it's really funny because right away, 127 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: as this is the opening scene, and I was watching 128 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: and I was like, this music is very very upbeat 129 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: for what's happening right now. And that's something that throughout 130 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: the film I love is there will be like this 131 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: really like cheerful music and I'm like, that person just 132 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: died though, right I feel like that's with the late nineties, 133 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: like they want to be dark, but not too dark, 134 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: just a twist, so generations of that curse. Later, Young 135 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: Sally casts a Tula spell to prevent herself from ever 136 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: falling in love by conjuring the perfect man that she 137 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: believes can't exist obviously, while young Jillian decides she's very 138 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: much wants to find love. By the way, this is 139 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: very indicative of their characters. Sally is more serious and 140 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: Jillian is a bit more carefree and out there um 141 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: and as adults, Gillian prepares to move away and insist 142 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: that the sisters make a blood pack that will they 143 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: will die together as old ladies. Can we do this? 144 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: You and I? All right? Over the next few years, 145 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: Sally falls in love with a local apple salesman and 146 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: they have two beautiful daughters, one of them being Evan 147 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: Rachel Woods. Um. Anyway, one day, Sally wakes up hearing 148 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: the sound of a death blug the beetle. She doesn't 149 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: find it in time to prevent her husband from being 150 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: killed by a truck. Sally returns to her aunt's home 151 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: with her daughters and learned they cast a spell so 152 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: that she could fall in love and in remintive spots 153 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: she desires. Neither she nor her daughters will ever use 154 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: magic again. And by the way, that's all happens in 155 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: the first ten minutes. Um. Yeah, so her aunts sort 156 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: of they said, they gave her a nudge, like a push, 157 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: and then she ran to this kiss playing in the 158 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: background to meet this apple guy. Um. But meanwhile, Jillian Um, 159 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: she's traveling around the country and uh, as Sally put it, 160 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: like going through a lot of men being her care 161 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: for yourself and until she meets Jimmy Um and she 162 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: she just falls like is so seduced by him, so 163 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: in love with him. Ah, but it becomes clear like 164 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: something is off in this relationship. He really possessive, doesn't 165 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: like her to be out of his sight. Um. So 166 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: she drugs him with belladonna in his tequila so that 167 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: she can go visit Sally after because she feels Sally's distress, 168 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: so she drugs him so she's able to get away 169 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: and visit Sally and comfort her and provide help. Um. 170 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: But then she returns to this man that she's eating, 171 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: Jimmy until one night Uh, Jillian calls Sally and tells 172 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: her he had hit her and she needs help, and 173 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: Sally immediately goes to get her um, but Jimmy kidnaps 174 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: both of them at gunpoint um, and it's pretty clear 175 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: he's going to he's planning on killing Jillian. UM. So 176 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: Sally is able to put belladonna in his drink and 177 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: accidentally kills him, accidentally overdoses him. They just meant to 178 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,719 Speaker 1: knock him out. Um. So the sisters are panicking and 179 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: they attempt a resurrection spell, which is forbidden, but after 180 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 1: he's revived, he immediately tries to kill Jillian again, and 181 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: so Sally kills him again with a frying pan, and 182 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: then they bury him in the family garden, and of 183 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: course he starts to haunt the home. Of course, so 184 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: the ants leave after putting a protection spell, and Sally's 185 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: daughters and instructions that they clean up their own mess. 186 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: Things get even more complicated when an investigator named Gary 187 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: shows up looking into Jimmy's death. He has heard rumors 188 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: about the sister's witchcraft around town, which they don't really deny. 189 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: When he asked them about it, he starts to suspect 190 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 1: Sally is behind Jimmy's disappearance, so Jillian and Sally's daughters 191 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: make a potion to banish him. However, they realized that 192 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: Gary is the person from Sally's True Love Spell, the 193 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: one she cast at the beginning of the movie, so 194 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: they get rid of the potion. Sally realizes she's in 195 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: love with Gary. Then Jimmie's spirit possesses Jillian before moving 196 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: on to possess Gary. But Gary's wearing a badge and 197 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: he talks all about like believing in the symbols of things, 198 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 1: so Jimmy is temporarily exiled. So at this point we 199 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: see Sally and Gary actually connecting. There is a kiss, 200 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 1: there's a moment of passion, and then it's here that 201 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: Sally reveals to Gary that their feelings are probably a 202 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: result of a spell, but Gary disagree, saying that the 203 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: curses are only real if you believe they are. Um. 204 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: But after he sees all the possessing and the upheaval, 205 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: he goes back to Arizona, conflicted, of course, but we 206 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: see that Jimmy isn't done. He once again possesses Jillian, 207 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: tries to kill Sally. Their aunt's return and agree to 208 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: perform an exorcism because you know, they had a feeling, 209 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: They knew something was happening, and Sally decides to embrace 210 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: her magic to save her sister. She calls on some 211 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: of the town's women to form a coven to help, 212 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: who all, by the way, we're shaming her and her sister, 213 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: and in front of them the phone tree that was 214 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: so good, the phone tree so but then they're like, 215 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: you know what this is school, let's do this um, 216 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: And when she sees their efforts might kill Jillian, Sally 217 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: and the women repeat the oath Sally and Jillian made 218 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: years earlier and forced Jimmy out ending the curse my blood, 219 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: your blood, our blood, remember the sandy um and Gay 220 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: returns to Sally and the movie ends with the sisters 221 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: celebrating all Hallow's even costume welcomed and accepted by the community. 222 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: And of course they jump off the roof, flying with umbrellas, 223 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: because that's an umbrella thing. Well oh wait, there's also brooms, 224 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 1: I feel, but they're no, no, they don't use them, 225 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: but they're they're um and they're dressed like over the top, 226 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: which is And also this has been a rumor that 227 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: people had about them all the time, that they jumped 228 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 1: off the roof and fluid. So yes, um, so that's 229 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: the plot, but there's clearly a lot of themes we've 230 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,719 Speaker 1: got to go over. However, first we must take a 231 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: quick break for a word from our sponsor, and we're back, 232 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: thank you, sponsor. So we just want to have a 233 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: discussion around some of the big themes in this movie, 234 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: and perhaps the biggest one is family and sisterhood. And 235 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: I feel like we say that in almost every movie 236 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: we talked about with witches. Yeah, so we see this 237 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: power of family among these generations of women of Owen's 238 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: women and the coven of women coming together at the 239 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: end to cast Jillian's abusive X out, many of whom 240 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: have been abused by men themselves. UM. I'll be honest 241 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: with you, I'm got a little embarrassed by this. But 242 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: I watched this quite late the first time, and I 243 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: teared up at this scene. I got emotional. All these 244 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: women showed up and they're like, you know what, I've 245 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: had a bad boyfriend, couldn't get rid of them. I'll 246 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: be here for you. Like they just all came to 247 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: help her. Um. That's all Sally had to say, is like, yeah, 248 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: I'm a witch, but my sister is being abused. Like 249 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: she's had this man, she can't get rid of him. Um. 250 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: And they all all these women who Yeah, it's been 251 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: a lot of the movie making fun of them and 252 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: ridiculing them. Um, they show up. They show up, and 253 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: they do help and they share power and it was 254 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: very I thought it was very moving. Um. And then 255 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: love is clearly at the heart of this movie. But 256 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: not just romantic love, although that is a big part 257 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: of it, but the love between sisters and aunts and daughters. UM, 258 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: familial love between women, women supporting women. I'm these sisters 259 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: promised they're going to die together. They're going to die 260 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: as all old ladies together. And that's what saves Jillian 261 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: in the end, is that bond. And you kinda knew 262 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: that was going to happen. Um. And then here we 263 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: go with the Margharita saying, which thig is a whole 264 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: potion sing because you see them casting a spell essentially, 265 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: which happens to be in the middle of them investigation, UM, 266 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: and the aunt and the sisters like a moment to 267 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: dance and drink and enchanted Margharita's which is a nice 268 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: little break from the pain and the trauma. And I 269 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: did love the fact that it also brought out a 270 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: lot of truths. Yeah, yeah, well that's one of those things. 271 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: Two is Okay, First of all, I did the research. 272 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: I should stop doing this, but I did the research 273 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: for this movie before I um watched it and everyone 274 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: mentioned the margharite to scene and I was like, what 275 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: is this scene? Like it's in every article and if 276 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: you don't know, it's like they wake up, the sisters 277 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: wake up and they're like midnight Margart it is, and 278 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: then they all kind of dance around and that that 279 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: Coconut song is playing, and then yeah, they kind of 280 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: call each other's names at the table, but it's in 281 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: that way where you can do that with someone who's 282 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: related to you or someone you care about that, but 283 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: you won't stand for someone else to do that. And 284 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: you see that throughout the movie too, um, which is 285 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: is really beautiful. It is by the way it's ended 286 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: with Jimmy suppressive abusive shadow ruins it. This whole moment 287 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: that they had with the Margharita, and it's also kind 288 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: of a support and consasis among the women again, like 289 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: we were saying that it does. They are able to 290 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: call each other out and let each other know, Hey, 291 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: this is what you're doing. This is how you're looking 292 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: at the same time out of love. Yeah, and it's 293 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: it's so sad because they were doing this as a 294 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: healing moment and then still that presence of this abusive 295 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: man ruins it. Um, which is a theme that comes 296 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: back a lot, and we'll talk about that too. Um. 297 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: There's also this whole the threat throughout of a woman's 298 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: love condemning a man to death. Is it better to 299 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: have loved and lost the danger of loving someone, whether 300 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: that is loss or heartbreak or abuse. We kind of 301 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: see all of these prisms of how love can hurt 302 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: and what can happen. Um. And there are criticisms that 303 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: this still paints falling in love with a man as 304 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: the most important thing. I mean, I'm watching it. I 305 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 1: think that might have been perhaps the intended point, but 306 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: that's not what I saw. I saw the sisters love 307 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: the most important thing and that food. I was just 308 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: kind of like, go away, I'm more interested in this. 309 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: He does seem to be an afterthought. To be fair, 310 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: he does a lot of the male characters do. Um. 311 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: And then if you look at Sally blaming the curse 312 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,959 Speaker 1: for all of her misery and not really seeing how 313 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: lucky she is to have all the women in her life, 314 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,239 Speaker 1: at least she gets to that point definitely. But um. 315 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: Also many point out that she's it's a really low 316 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: bar for the perfect man in the beginning, because she's 317 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: like he must sit flip pancakes and have a blue 318 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: eye and a green eye and like things like that. Yeah, 319 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: and maybe maybe the message is a lot of women do, 320 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,719 Speaker 1: or if that's what you think, because she was eleven 321 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: or so when she cast that spell, So you know, 322 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: what are you going to say, um, and the fact 323 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: that the ants try to get her to fall in love. 324 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: It's just something a lot of women who at some 325 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: point but in their life been single at a family 326 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: event can relate to UM. And you know, just this 327 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: idea that you can have happily ever after without a 328 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: man and without romantic love as as a woman. We 329 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: see that with the aunts, who I love all the 330 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: takes on their relationship that I read, But you know 331 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: that that message is still pretty there, that you what 332 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: you want is to fall in love with a man 333 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: right obviously, or sometimes the fact that sometimes falling in 334 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: love with a man is too hard and just let 335 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: it be cold kidman character. Uh. As we talked about 336 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: Jimmy as the ultimate bad boyfriend abusive situation, even after 337 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: his death, he lingers and I'm willing to let her go. Um, 338 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: just like trauma. And by the way, of course, this 339 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: was a really big bad dude. He wasn't just abusive, 340 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: he was actually a murderers sound like a serial killer. 341 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: So there's that UM and the depiction of abuse and 342 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: the why don't you just leave in the danger of leaving, 343 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: preventing from moving on? And I did like terms like 344 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: this does make me angry because it does put women 345 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: at fault when self defense and every single bottle of 346 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: that situation. He was trying to kill people, so the 347 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: only way they could stop him, like he was about 348 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: to brand her and took her to death, and they 349 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: poisoned him to make him leave her alone. And then 350 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: when he came back to life and she's smacking him 351 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: with the skillet. I see all that self defense obviously, 352 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: but everybody's like hiding as of his like I murdered someone, 353 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: and yet that's not really true, is it. Whatever, many 354 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: other men are depicted in varying degrees of danger. They 355 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: caused two women, obviously, whether it's they're gonna be told 356 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: on or whether it's going to be murder. Yeah, you know, Yeah, 357 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: I do think it was a pretty Again, I'm not 358 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: sure if this was intentional, but I thought it was 359 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: a pretty good depiction of like trauma and abuse and um, 360 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: the danger of leaving because that's when he tried to 361 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 1: kill her, UM and how it just lingers in it 362 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: some days it's better than others. UM. I thought that 363 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: was pretty pretty compelling. UM. Another theme of this, of course, 364 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: is the strength of independent women. UM. The Aunts are 365 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: ridiculed for being middle Middle Asian unmarried, and we do 366 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: see like the women's power being dismissed as something that 367 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: ostracizes them or is more of a hindrance than anything else, 368 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: like Sally saying, you know, I have all these powers, 369 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: but I'm not going to use them. Um. But it's 370 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: so refreshing to see the Aunts to be totally uncaring 371 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: of what people think of them. I know, one of 372 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: them in the beginning, she says normal is not necessarily 373 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage. And 374 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: then at the end, when um, all of the women 375 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: from the phone trees show up to help Jillian. Uh, 376 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: one of the aunts says, there's a little witch and 377 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: all of us. Um, so just these you know, strong 378 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: independent women. Not. I loved it. I loved it being 379 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: like whatever. Um. And then yeah, just this whole theme 380 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: of like trauma and I know, like right away you 381 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: think of Jillian because she went through this abusive relationship, 382 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: but also for Sally because she lost her husband. There's 383 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: like grief the process of that and the exhaustion of 384 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: all of that, and how healing isn't a direct path 385 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: and it goes in different ways and seeing this family 386 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: support each other through that. Um, it was really lovely. 387 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: M you watched it a lot. I watched it three times. 388 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: I love like this is a lot like Caroline from 389 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: uh you know, unlady like this is one of her 390 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: favorite movies do and umlike this is so unlike her. 391 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: Yeah that she but she loves this movie. And we've 392 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: talked about that before too. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I 393 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: can totally see why so many people find like comfort 394 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: in it. And I read so many lovely stories from 395 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: people who are like, why did they love this? And 396 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: they'll say, you know, uh, just every time that I 397 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: feel it makes me feel good to see these women 398 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: putting other women first and supporting other women and getting 399 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: a margaritat midnight every time they watch it or whatever. 400 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: Like it's just we need to try that tradition, don't we. 401 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: I got a Margarite and I was like, oh, is 402 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: this a margarity to scene? I paused it and I 403 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: got it was lovely. Um yeah, so I I I'm 404 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: definitely going to add that to my Halloween watch list, 405 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: which is already huge. So that's saying something. But for now, okay, 406 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: let's pivot and talk about the Witches of east Wick. Um, 407 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: and I want to start right off the bat with 408 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: the Amazon Prime definition. So again, I've never seen this 409 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: movie and I really didn't know what it was about. 410 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: Click on the Amazon Prime page. Here's the description. The Witches, 411 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: in quotes, are three modern day women looking for Mr 412 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: Right in a quaint New England town full of Mr uptecks. 413 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: And I was like, what is this movie? What is 414 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: Samantha got me into? I think I texted you. I 415 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: was like, oh, you're in for a doozy yeah, because 416 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: I I know I said it in our Heather's episode. Um, 417 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson really freaks me out and he unsettles me 418 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: and like he oh, oh pete Jack Nicholson, And I 419 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: felt bad because the first time I saw him was 420 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: like not good looking? His hair? What was going on 421 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: with his hair? Purpose Well, you did unsettle me, so 422 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: good job. Um, and I did want to just throw 423 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 1: in here. One of the first things I noticed was 424 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: that the three main women, you have the red head, 425 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: the blonde brunette, and then the babies at the end 426 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: or the same yeah. Yeah. And so by the way, 427 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: there's a couple of columns that speak to that but 428 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: the fact that yes, they're all these differentiations, but also 429 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: they're all very similar to they're almost the same, and 430 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: except for the hair colors. Ah yeah. So this movie 431 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: was directed by the famed Australian director George Miller, who 432 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: also did Mad Max and apparently did Babe and several others. 433 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: I'm like okay um And according to Rotten Tomatoes, the 434 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: critics still like it and it still holds up, although 435 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: not as well as Practical Magic obviously doesn't. Critics still 436 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: don't like Practical Magic. Well. This was pitched as a 437 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: dark comedy with the heavy tone of the plights of 438 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: women versus men. This is a John Updike book and 439 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: was a pretty big film. There are many different opinions 440 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: on this movie, many different, though most were very excited 441 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: by the stars that it cast. One review stated, written 442 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, by the way, which is well over 443 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 1: thirty years after the initial release, up Dikes long deadly 444 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: dull misogynist tract is transformed into an entertaining, generally sandrist film. 445 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 1: So it's like okay, then, wow, all right. Well, as 446 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,719 Speaker 1: far as the plot of this movie, this nineties seven 447 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: movie based on the book features as this all SARCASTI 448 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: has I share Susan Surandon, Michelle Pheiffer, Jack Nicholson. Um, 449 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: we see these three manless friends coming together in a 450 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: small town of Eastwick. You've got Alexandra or alex the 451 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: brunette share um, who is an artist and a single 452 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: mother of a teenage girl. You've got Jane the Redhead 453 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: played by Susan Surrandon, who is recently divorced a music teacher, 454 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: and Suki the Blonde, who is a local journalist played 455 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: by Michelle Pheiffer, also divorced with five children. Yes. Um, 456 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: and after getting together in which they have I guess 457 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: a girl's night of Martini's, I think, yeah, yeah, I 458 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: mean they definitely had the whole thing. Geez, was all 459 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: of that in which they talk about how they're so 460 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: unsatisfied without being with not having a man, or at 461 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: least their ideas of the perfect men, and then actually 462 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: do continue to debate about why they always talk about 463 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 1: men when they get together. Um, and how about how 464 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: they're despatisfied and living in a quiet, boring town. Um. 465 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 1: Flash to the next day and they get the news 466 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: of a mystery man coming into the small town, and 467 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: of course our mystery man named Darryl Van Horne played 468 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: by the very on brand Jack Nicholson, who comes into 469 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: town buying the local history landmark, the Linux Mansion. Um. 470 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: And however, the mere mention of his name before you 471 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: actually meet him not only makes you clutch your pearls, 472 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: but they completely fall off, literally causing a horrendous accident 473 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: to befall the community. Religious woman Felicia, who was not 474 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: too pleased to hear of the new resident, and though 475 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: she was seen as overbearing and shrill, was was right 476 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: about the fact that the devil was coming into town. 477 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: I was like, what is her deal? Not because I 478 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 1: thought she was wrong, I just was fused. Um. And 479 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: also I can't remember her name, but she plays she's 480 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: an alien. She plays the freaks out an alien as well. 481 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: Her name is Veronica Cartwright. Oh yeah, yeah, Veronica carry Yeah, 482 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: uh yeah. She was not happy about what was going on. 483 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: And her husband, by the way, is Richard Jenkins, who 484 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: was in Kevin in the Woods. Oh yeah, that's right. Um, 485 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: so okay. At this point we see the awakening of 486 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: the ladies powers as they make things happen, such as 487 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: um a lovely game of angry levitating tennis. I know, 488 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it, it's probably as weird as 489 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: you imagine. Um. As they start accepting and joining their 490 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: new realized powers, the women all continue in relationships, sharing 491 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: in a relationship where they share the very horny devil, 492 00:28:54,400 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: which is a line from the movie. Um. Yeah, that 493 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: will come back too often. Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. 494 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: But the movie takes a dark turn as the town 495 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: starts to whisper of all the bad things happening at 496 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: the Lenox mansion and the three women, so much so 497 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: that it is in the local newspaper thanks to yes, 498 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: this religious woman Felicia. Felicia, who seems to be cursed 499 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: with visions of Darryl's evil plot UM becomes a target 500 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: because of this and begins to throw she starts to 501 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: bombit cherry pits. And this is all happening like it's 502 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: interspersed with the scene where we see the three women 503 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: eating cherries UM and start there talking about her and 504 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: how they wish she would go away. UM. So it's 505 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: implied that they are doing this without realizing it to Felicia. UM. 506 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: And as she continues to just really spew these cherry 507 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: pits everywhere, and she's talking about her visions. Her husband 508 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: kills her with a fire poker and then sits down 509 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: and sort of like, w that's that time calling the nights. 510 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: It was a very odd scene and uh is at 511 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: this point that Suki realizes they had something to do 512 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: with Felicia's death. And after an argument that causes, by 513 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: the way, the earth below them that they're standing on 514 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: to crack, they all run away and stay away from 515 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: each other and Darryl, which by the way, he does 516 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: not take very well. After much effort in trying to 517 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: win them back, decided to pitch a fit, which meant 518 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: causing each woman's worst fear to come true, including Jane 519 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: growing old, Alex having steaky Crawley creature things on her 520 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, and Suki dying of 521 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: violent death. And as let ladies gather around poor Suki 522 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: because she is suffering at this point in the hospital, 523 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: they realize so they're discussing that they're all pregnant with 524 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: Darryll's children. Yep. Uh So, with this this knowledge and 525 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: Suky's life at risk, um Alex goes to meet up 526 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: with Darryl strike a deal to go back show the 527 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: way things were for all of them as one big, 528 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: happy family. All of them get healed up, they're ready 529 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: to go. They come together for a celebratory night, and 530 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: the following morning, the ladies send Darrel out for bagels 531 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: and ice cream. Sounds lovely, but unbeknowns to Darryll, the 532 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: ladies come together to curse him out of their lives. Um. 533 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: They make a good old fashioned foodoo doll to cast 534 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: him out, which did have some very excellent eighties special effects. 535 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: Um and uh, that whole sequence does. And they all 536 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: come together with their newborn sons and the rest of 537 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: the family to live at the Lenox Mansion together. The 538 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: end or is it? Or is it? I think so? 539 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: So there's a lot to unpack here. But first we're 540 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: gonna fause for one more quick break for word from 541 00:31:50,600 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: our sponsor, and we're back, Thank you sponsor. Yeah, so, 542 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: we definitely wanted to hit on some themes, and we're 543 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: not getting in too many themes with this one because 544 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: a there's a lot of like back and forth in 545 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: conversation of what is it? Is it pro or anti 546 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: feminism first and foremost, and also it was during the 547 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: eighties liberal feminism or equal equal feminism right before the 548 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: third wave, so it's kind of in this median yeah 549 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: level of feminism. So it's kind of like, okay, so 550 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: what is this actually trying to say? Um. But one 551 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: of the things that we did want to talk about 552 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: is of course motherhood and singleness, which is very much 553 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: hit on. Um. It's not necessarily something that goes hand 554 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: in hand. We don't usually see that as a big 555 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: conversation as much as like, oh, you know, she needs 556 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: to be a mother, she wants to be a mother 557 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: of blah blah blah, but so much more that they 558 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: are single mothers typically and are okay uh. And in 559 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: this movie we see heavy emphasis on that as single parents, 560 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: and but a little differently for Jane specifically, it's that 561 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: she has an inability to have children, and there's a 562 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: kind of like a breakdown of her struggle, right yeah. Um. 563 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: And not only do we witness the women struggling to 564 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: find their footing and being a single parent or not, 565 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,239 Speaker 1: but we see their desires to not be defined by it. Um. 566 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: It's almost as if the children are merely there's decoration. Um. 567 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: It's clearly implied that like Suki's husband left him left 568 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: her because she had five kids, which also so did you, buddy. 569 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: But anyway, I don't even know about their relationship because 570 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: it's just mentioned and I'm getting mad. But she says 571 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: that to Darryl at one point, She's like, Hey, you 572 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: don't really want a relationship with me because I will 573 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: get pregnant. Like she just says that, yeah she does. Um. Yeah, 574 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: And it's not ever made super clear where the children 575 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: are when the ladies are we're partying, which you know, 576 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: they should have a ladies night out. But I remember 577 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,959 Speaker 1: thinking that several times as I'm like, who's watching these 578 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: kids right now? Uh? And you know the kids you 579 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: show up here and there. But uh, Suki does make 580 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: it look easy to do these things. She's clearly stressed 581 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: entired at points. But yeah, we don't really see that 582 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: side of motherhood. Um. And then yeah, you have on 583 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: top of that Darryl's devious goal of impregnating all the 584 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: women with sons, which he did right yeah, and whatever 585 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: that point is. And by the way, Felicia predicts that 586 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the movie that he's coming to 587 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: make sons and so whatever that might be, that he 588 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: needed to extend himself into the world and that's a 589 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: whole other conversation. But then because the women get rid 590 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: of him, they become single parents together. It was just 591 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 1: kind of like an, Okay, this is an interesting so 592 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. I was trying to think and 593 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: I stopped paying attention to it, and I should have. 594 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: But I'm not sure this movie passes to the Bechdel test. 595 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: It doesn't. Someone stated it doesn't. It was pretty sure. 596 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: I was like always talking about dudes, I'm like, I 597 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: don't actually know what the buck Doel test is. But 598 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 1: I realized I didn't. I hear all the time, but 599 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: I've never actually looked it up. It's it was kind 600 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,399 Speaker 1: of a joke. So I mean, even if a movie 601 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: doesn't pass, doesn't necessarily mean it's a anti women or whatever, 602 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: but it's it has to be more than one female character. 603 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: They have to talk to each other, not about men. Criteria. Okay, 604 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: so wow, I should have known that one. Thanks for 605 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: educating me. But yeah, no, So according to one article, 606 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: it said it did not pass the Bechdel test. So 607 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: it was a conversation. But another theme with this is 608 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: sexuality and power, and again not necessarily sustaint, but we 609 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: see here that the women grow more powerful as they 610 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: explore and embrace their sexuality. Now is it because of 611 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: the sexuality they're powerful or is it their sexuality building 612 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: up their confidence? So it's kind of that hands like, 613 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: which is what um I would say the latter, but 614 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: that's just me as they continue to grow, even after 615 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: the destruction of the devilish Darryll, they still continue to 616 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: grow in the power. So, as one article states of 617 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,760 Speaker 1: the women quote, it is refreshing to see them discussing 618 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,720 Speaker 1: their erotic desires and experiencing sexual pleasure, which is evident 619 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the movie and towards the end. 620 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: That they kind of just continue to grow, but it's 621 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: not necessarily because of sex and because they're enjoying that, 622 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: but they're just confident as women that maybe they're growing 623 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,280 Speaker 1: in their power, right um However, all this is quickly 624 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: turned on them as they are slut shamed by the 625 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: town and community. The movie pushes the everly lingering theme 626 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 1: of women, sex and shame, but in a narrative that 627 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: pushes the viewered. It pushes it to the viewer to 628 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: see the ladies as victims of a very bullying, stuffy town. 629 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: So You're meant as the viewer to side with the 630 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: women against the slut shaming, right. Yeah, of course we 631 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,720 Speaker 1: can't talk about sex sin power in this movie without 632 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: talking about Darrell himself, even though most of the characters 633 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,879 Speaker 1: talked about the fact he wasn't handsome. And yes, when 634 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: Shared gives him that dressing down, was like, hell yeah girl. 635 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 1: And then she had sex with him, and I was like, 636 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 1: should I feel mad at her? Like she wants to 637 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 1: have sex do it? But I'm so like, yes, tear 638 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: him down. She's like, here's the ugliest thing. You're just 639 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: so stupid, Like just oh but anyway, Um. Yeah, his 640 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 1: name is even mocked, like so much about him is ridiculed. Um. 641 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: But apparently he had appeal. People were into him. There 642 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: was something about him. Um. As the elderly shopwoman said, 643 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,439 Speaker 1: I found myself thinking thoughts I haven't thought since World 644 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 1: War Two. I actually blushed. Yeah, it was kind of 645 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: like a hum. And this was before we actually introduced 646 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: to him, even though we know who he is obviously 647 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: because it's a famous movie. Um and and he is, 648 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: as an article titled The Devil is a Boy states, 649 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: uh is the kind of guy who takes a gender 650 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 1: study courses just to hit on women, a skeezi altbro 651 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: who uses disingenuous wokeness as a buff for disarming sexual conquest, 652 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: which I thought was the perfect thing. His column was fantastic. 653 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: I was like, all right, all right, um, And we 654 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,879 Speaker 1: see him play this out in his subduction of all 655 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 1: three women, whether it's condescendingly using it to bed the 656 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: women or to make them feel inferior. He uses every 657 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: tactic to prove his masculinity and confidence with his fake 658 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: I'm a feminist. See yeah, yeah, I mean he starts 659 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 1: with Alexandra being like, oh, women are the best. I 660 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,919 Speaker 1: wish I was a woman, so much better. Men treat 661 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 1: them terribly. Marriage is bad for women than by the 662 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: andies in the church, like God made women to punish us. Yeah, yeah, exactly, 663 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah. So we do see this flip when 664 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,240 Speaker 1: he's when he's rejected, and he screams that they deserted him, 665 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: like and I mean as women and we've all been there, right, 666 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 1: like the rejection. We've talked about this, um, and he 667 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,760 Speaker 1: plots to torture and punished him for hurting his pride, 668 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,879 Speaker 1: and then yeah, that the monologue at the church where 669 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: he's like, oh, women, that their creation was a mistake. 670 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: He curses their existence. And as Margaret Atwood commented about 671 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,240 Speaker 1: the book, what a culture has to say about witchcraft, 672 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 1: whether in jest or in earnest, has a lot to 673 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: do with its views of sexuality and power, and especially 674 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: with the apportioning of powers between the sexes. Right, I mean, 675 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 1: it's just kind of like, oh, it's flipped now this 676 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,839 Speaker 1: is bad, as where sexuality for women was good, now 677 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: that rejecting him is bad. And it's definitely this whole level, 678 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: and as we see in many of which conversations, this 679 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,359 Speaker 1: is the big, big thing. And though this same is 680 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: obvious and the actual purpose and whether it's a statement 681 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: for the pros of women's sexuality or more of a 682 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 1: side eye towards the level of toxic male sexuality, but 683 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: as that Marcle says, it's not so much about trying 684 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,359 Speaker 1: to understand as much as it is quote a very 685 00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 1: real examination of toxic masculinity and sexual power to dynamics 686 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 1: couched deliciously within occult ambiguity. Yeah, that was one thing 687 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 1: I was like, Wait, they weren't like which is I 688 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: I was used to seeing in movies, Right, which, by 689 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: the way, they never claimed themselves as witches and they 690 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: never claimed themselves as covens. Yeah yeah, interesting. Um. And 691 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 1: then another theme again is sisterhood and female friendship. Much 692 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: like practical magic and many of these which in occult 693 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: movies we've talked about, friendship and sisterhood is heavily placed 694 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: within this movie. Though a small level of competition did exist. 695 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: We see the ladies pull through and help each other 696 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: defeat their honey demon, that Daryl. But you know what, unfortunately, 697 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,879 Speaker 1: as a Vulture article stated in a more pessimistic view, 698 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: whether it was intended or not, it's also a movie 699 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 1: that illustrates that, for various reasons, even smart, strong women 700 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: sometimes cannot immediately summon the hocus pocus they want or 701 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: need to make a guy like that disappear, which is 702 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: sad but also true. And that is how it is. Is 703 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 1: Is he comes back, yeah, to talk to the children, 704 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: even though they turned the TV off. You know, they're 705 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,919 Speaker 1: like ha ha ha, but they seem really gone. Yeah yeah, 706 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 1: And I mean they were having a discussion about like 707 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: missing him and do you want him back? Um, And 708 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: I know, I don't know. I think it might just 709 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: be my Jack Nicholson thing. But I was so like, 710 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 1: just get rid of this guy. You're not supposed to 711 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: like him everything about him, Eskeevie, Sure it is, Yeah, 712 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,840 Speaker 1: And I mean that that really resonated me with me 713 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,399 Speaker 1: that article you mentioned where they describe like his sort 714 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 1: of pick up vibe and seeing him do it with 715 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 1: each of them in different ways that you know it 716 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: will work or what will be most likely to work. 717 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 1: And you know, again, if they're having sex they enjoy, 718 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: then scenting adult sex they enjoy, go for it. But 719 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:59,360 Speaker 1: that guy, oh, he's the worst. Isn't interesting? Yeah? And 720 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: then like you said, it doesn't pass the Bechdel test, 721 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 1: And so I was kind of like, huh, so was 722 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 1: this a good movie or was this an insulting movie? 723 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,720 Speaker 1: Or what was George Miller? And of course John Updyke 724 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,800 Speaker 1: has gotten a pretty bad reputation as of late in 725 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: his stance in his representation of women in general. So 726 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: the question is what was the point of this movie? 727 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: I just enjoyed it. Come on share, Susan san Randa, 728 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,919 Speaker 1: Michelle Peiffer, what did you think about this movie? Well, 729 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 1: you've got some of my very heated exchange text messages. 730 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: It was definitely not at all what I thought it 731 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 1: was going to be UM and I think coming from 732 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: my more modern since I'm watching it kind of out 733 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: of its time. I I enjoyed it, but I was 734 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,840 Speaker 1: confused as to it's like messaging UM And But it 735 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 1: actually made me ask myself some questions about why I 736 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 1: was responding the way I was ending. Yeah again, like 737 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,839 Speaker 1: when I was so mad at Share for getting with them, 738 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,759 Speaker 1: and I was like, but you know, she had just 739 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 1: been saying she wanted to have sex, Like, it doesn't 740 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,320 Speaker 1: have to be more than that, if you know, so 741 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 1: I did. It made me examine some things. And I 742 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 1: definitely think both of these are worth watching UM as 743 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: a feminist, and it will make you think about some 744 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,440 Speaker 1: interesting things, right. It definitely has a lot of like 745 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 1: what just happened? Okay, okay, okay, okay, yeah yeah, um yeah, 746 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 1: So I I actually recommend both of them if you 747 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: haven't seen them. I did prefer Practical Magic, but UM, 748 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,879 Speaker 1: I think they were both worth watching UH And Yeah. 749 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,400 Speaker 1: It's just these it's fascinating to see these themes of 750 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 1: of womanhood and sisterhood and in these movies about which 751 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,719 Speaker 1: is UM and clearly you know they're still I mean 752 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 1: that goes without saying, but they're not perfect films by 753 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 1: any stretch. Um. They are mostly white and there is 754 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: a lot of heterosexual just like normativity imposed on Like 755 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,440 Speaker 1: I kept thinking, like would it be great in practical 756 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: magic one of them had been by or lesbian or something, 757 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,839 Speaker 1: and it's like that man curse forget. I'm not worried 758 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 1: about that, right right. Um, So there's that. But I 759 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 1: do recommend them, Yes, they get our thumbs up, and 760 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,000 Speaker 1: then send us all of your thoughts on them. I 761 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,839 Speaker 1: would love I would love started more discussion around both 762 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 1: of these movies. You can email us at Stuff Media, 763 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 1: mom Stuff at I heart media dot com. You can 764 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 1: find us on Instagram at Stuff I've Never Told You 765 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,880 Speaker 1: or on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast. Thanks as always 766 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,520 Speaker 1: to our super producer Andrew Howard. Thank and thanks to 767 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,800 Speaker 1: you for listening Stuff I've Never Told You his protection 768 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,799 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from my heart 769 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: Radio is the I heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or 770 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your favorite shows.