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Speaker 1: are you excited to do a mailbag? I'm really excited.

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Speaker 1: A lot of these questions are geared towards you. I know,

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Speaker 4: People want another thoughts, people want to know my thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Alec Manoa finished third in American League Scion voting last

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Speaker 4: Manoa a really good professional athlete because he did finish

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Speaker 1: The awards aren't always ideal, but he absolutely deserved where

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Speaker 4: The top three finish. Yes, no, I mean he was.

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Speaker 4: I'm also not here to say like, oh, this guy

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Speaker 4: Like there's got to be somewhere in between where this guy,

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Speaker 4: to hear it on social media. That's not an indictment

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Speaker 4: on our personal lives. That's an indictment on what we

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: Having said that, I understand why this horrible outing in

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Speaker 1: And before we press the record button, we always talk

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Speaker 1: the podcast. We have the mail bag, and I said

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Speaker 1: this is a big story. No, I mean it's this

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Speaker 1: We don't see this in Major League baseball. This doesn't

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Speaker 1: And that's the only reason we're bring it up, not

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Speaker 1: Like I'm a Yankee fan, I loved watching Alec Manoa pitch.

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Speaker 1: I love that aspect of baseball. I love the shit talking.

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Speaker 1: If the Cubs maintain where they are in the National

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Speaker 1: He played fifteen seasons. Spare me, Serena Williams. Just really

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Speaker 1: good at tennis. Yeah, Tony's way better than all those idiots.

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Speaker 4: How has Otani fared in the postseason? Going back to

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Speaker 4: the Jordan thing real quick?

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Speaker 1: Well, he can't get to the postseason if the rest

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Speaker 1: of his team doesn't get it there. Basketball is a

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Speaker 1: different sport. You put them in the posseason. How to

436
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Speaker 1: do in the World Baseball Classic? He did pretty well?

437
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Speaker 1: Won it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think yes for baseball people, for you know,

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Speaker 4: people that just think greatest athletes of all time. When

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Speaker 4: Otani is all said and done, I'm not sure if

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Speaker 4: he's going to be one of the first people that

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Speaker 4: comes up in that conversation. That's not an no Tani problem,

443
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Speaker 4: that's a baseball problem. I think Jordan globalized. I think

444
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Speaker 4: Lebron was globalized, Serena globalized, Phelps globalized. Think about what

445
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Speaker 4: they do. You know, the NBA was like the global

446
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Speaker 4: game baseball. While it is getting more international, it doesn't

447
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Speaker 4: hold a candle to what the NBA is doing. The

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Speaker 4: last five MVPs are all non Americans in the NBA.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Serena is winning, She's winning Grand Slams in France, Australia, England,

450
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Speaker 4: and the US. They work all around the world. Michael Phelps,

451
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Speaker 4: it's literally the fucking Olympics, like it's the World Championships

452
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Speaker 4: for that, So usain both the fucking World Championships. So Ohtani.

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Speaker 4: While we as baseball people believe that he is the

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Speaker 4: most gifted athlete on the planet, I think the people

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Speaker 4: that don't necessarily understand every intricacy of baseball will not

456
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Speaker 4: view him in the same way as MJ. But when

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Speaker 4: it's all said and done, I think people that are

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Speaker 4: baseball fans will be quick to Lumpo t in with Phelps,

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Speaker 4: with Bolt, with Serena, with mj with you know whoever

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Speaker 4: else you got going on?

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Speaker 1: No, And I was obviously joking at the very But

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Speaker 1: what I what I do want to say is that Otani,

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Speaker 1: the reason why we talk about him so much and

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Speaker 1: you see him all over social media all the time,

465
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Speaker 1: is like we keep wanting to hammer it into people's

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Speaker 1: heads that we this is not normal. Right, we try

467
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Speaker 1: and find comparisons in baseball Bullet Rogan and the negro leagues,

468
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Speaker 1: Babe Ruth for like a season, this does not happen.

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Speaker 1: And did I mention that he's fast?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Have I mentioned that he's fast?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Did you know that?

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Speaker 4: Yes? I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, like twenty four, Yeah, Tatis is twenty four

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Speaker 1: younger than Atlie. So if Otani and Michael Jordan lined

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Speaker 1: up in a race about Otani, wins. But that's the

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Speaker 1: main point of it, is shoe, Hey, Otani, He's one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest pitchers I've played at Earth. He's one

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Speaker 1: of the he might be the best hitter at Major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball right now. Yeah, and he's very fast. You

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Speaker 1: look at everybody in every other sport, they're very good

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Speaker 1: at one thing. Right, we make the comparison. It's like

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Speaker 1: if Tom Brady led the league touchdowns and then was

485
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Speaker 1: one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL. That's a

486
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Speaker 1: good comparison because it's both offense and defense. In the NBA,

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Speaker 1: they play both offense and defense on every game has.

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Speaker 4: To be well rounded.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like Michael Phelps get him out of the pool.

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Speaker 1: How fast is he running? Doubt it? Serena Williams, get her,

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Speaker 1: get her, get her to. I want to see her

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Speaker 1: in the box.

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Speaker 4: Let's see Serena in the I.

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Speaker 1: Want to see her hit ninety eight, Right, Michael Jordan

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Speaker 1: could actually he did it baseball.

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Speaker 4: Actually, I bet Serena could hit nukes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. But not as

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Speaker 1: far as Otawni. And she's not as fast.

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Speaker 4: You're right, She's probably not as fast, not as fast.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. Uh, this is a good one.

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Speaker 1: If you were in heim Bloom's position, would you buy

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Speaker 1: sell or just stay? Put a hashtag the gold Bottles.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with my guns here and I have

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Speaker 1: not changed my answer, and I don't plan on changing

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Speaker 1: my answer. I think the Red Sox are gonna finish last.

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Speaker 1: I keep saying it, and just because they go on

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Speaker 1: a little wind streak here and there, they look a

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Speaker 1: little bit better. Look at the rotation. They need like

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Speaker 1: four more arms. The offense has been good, the defense

510
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Speaker 1: has not been good. There's a couple of good bullpen arms.

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Speaker 1: Kenley's been fantastic. Let's see oe Is in September. Chris

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Speaker 1: Martin has been great. Let's see oe Is in September.

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Speaker 1: These are older guys. I'm not getting off this position.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm always getting dbs from Red Sox

515
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Speaker 1: fans like, well, what do you think now? Well, what

516
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Speaker 1: do you think now? I don't. I'm not changing because

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Speaker 1: they won two games in June in a row. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I kind of think, and to answer this question fully,

519
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Speaker 1: I think they're in a kind of similar situation to

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Speaker 1: the Cubs, except that they shouldn't buy if that makes

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Speaker 1: I think it's more of a stay put situation while

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Speaker 1: dealing off some guys that you don't see long term.

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Speaker 1: It's just this season that I don't truly believe in

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Speaker 1: the Red Sox. It's not next season, because we've seen

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Speaker 1: that the Red Sox. They have gone from worst to

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Speaker 1: World Series champions. That's what the Red Sox do I

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Speaker 1: would say that they might be the best team in

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Speaker 1: baseball retooling for one year and then being right back

529
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Speaker 1: in the thick of it. When we do our twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four MLB predictions, I'm gonna be unrealistically high on

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Speaker 1: the Red Sox because I've seen this story before. They

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Speaker 1: have the pieces set in place. They're gonna get Trevor

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Speaker 1: Story back. But do I think like they should add

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Speaker 1: Shane Bieber. Do I think they should like trade away

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Speaker 1: top prospects in order to compete now? Absolutely not.

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Speaker 4: So I'm trying to think about where story slots in.

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Speaker 4: I think story can dh. I'm thinking about a possible

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Speaker 4: Red Sox infield next year because we're looking at twenty

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Speaker 4: four likely as the debut season for Rafaela, for Marcelo Meyer,

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Speaker 4: and for Nick York. So if you can have Cassis

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Speaker 4: at first, Yorck at second, Meyer at short, Devers at third,

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Speaker 4: story Dhing, and Rafaela in the outfield with Verdugo, I

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Speaker 4: feel really awesome about that lineup and what that lineup

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Speaker 4: can accomplish because all of those guys will have multiple

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Speaker 4: years of control. So I think that the Red Sox

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Speaker 4: offensively are in a sneaky good spot. I like what

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Speaker 4: Bao is becoming. I stay put, as sad as that sounds.

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Speaker 4: If you want to try and sell and make some

549
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Speaker 4: moves for I don't know, like in a seller's market.

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Speaker 4: If the price for Kenley is high and you can

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Speaker 4: get a good return of upper level miners guys for

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Speaker 4: Kenley Jansen, I would go ahead and do it. I

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Speaker 4: would do it for Justin Turner too. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I would start to shop the guys that don't feel

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Speaker 4: like they're going to be in the lineup on August first,

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four. And that's not something that the Red

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Speaker 4: Sox do well. It's like forecast ahead, right. They want

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Speaker 4: to win every year. And how can you tell a

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Speaker 4: Red Sox fan when they are a couple of games

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Speaker 4: over five hundred that they're not going to win this year.

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Speaker 4: That's not baseball works. If you're over five hundred, you

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Speaker 4: want to win this year, and they.

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Speaker 1: Should want to win this year. But I would just

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Speaker 1: disagree with that that last thing you said that they're

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Speaker 1: not very good at forecasting. I think they do have

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Speaker 1: a good idea of what they are going to be

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Speaker 1: next year, and I think heim Bloom is not going

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Speaker 1: to go away from that plan.

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Speaker 4: I think I'm I think Heim is good at forecasting.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure if the Red Sox fan base is

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Speaker 4: good at forecasting.

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Speaker 1: But the question was what is Heim Bloom going to do?

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Speaker 1: And I think that heim Bloom is going to look

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Speaker 1: at a guy like James Paxson and say, hey, you

575
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Speaker 1: gave us a bunch of really good starts in a row.

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Speaker 1: We are so dig you out of here, and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna get some prospects because a lot of teams are

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Speaker 1: gonna be interested in the left. You looks great. And

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Speaker 1: of course I know we just exited his last start

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Speaker 1: with a little bit of an injury. Hopefully he comes

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Speaker 1: back fully healthy. But that's a great trade ship. At

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Speaker 1: the deadline, the Red Sox can get a good prospect

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Speaker 1: for him. Right, you're keeping Bao, You're keeping Whitlock Cutter.

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Speaker 1: Crawford has looked good lately. But then like that's your rotation, right,

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Speaker 1: Like could they potentially send out Justin Turner? Yes? Right?

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Speaker 1: Could they send out Adam Duval? These guys, I don't

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Speaker 1: think you're factoring them into your long term plans. You

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Speaker 1: retool for next year and I'm telling you I have

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Speaker 1: full faith in them being really, really good next year.

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Speaker 1: I do full faith.

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Speaker 4: I think they can. I think they can shop Key

592
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Speaker 4: k Hernandez man like they could. His stock is dropping

593
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 4: because of the shortstop inaptitude, but he's a really good outfielder.

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Speaker 4: I think the Marlins can go get k Hernandez for

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Speaker 4: something that they have in the upper level miners that

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Speaker 4: could help the Red Sox down the road.

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Speaker 1: And the reason I'm kind of freaking out and just

598
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Speaker 1: like yelling into the mic is because in my DMS,

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Speaker 1: the team fan base that is most hot and cold,

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Speaker 1: at least with their team who was asking me questions

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Speaker 1: of the Red Sox because they keep going back and forth.

602
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Speaker 1: I keep getting chirps like, oh, you really don't like

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Speaker 1: the Red Sox this year. They're finishing last clown emoji

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Speaker 1: when they win two in a row, and then I

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Speaker 1: get a next one where it's like, Peter, how do

606
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Speaker 1: we blow it up? When they lose three row, It's

607
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Speaker 1: like can we figure it out? And I think this

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Speaker 1: is a confusing time. So I'm not, you know, bagging

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Speaker 1: on any Red Sox fans out there. This is a

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Speaker 1: confusing time. What they're forty and thirty nine. Right now

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Speaker 1: as we sit here today, what's their exact standing. They are, yeah,

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Speaker 1: forty and thirty nine, their last place in the division.

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Speaker 1: They have a point three percent chance, according to Fangrafts,

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Speaker 1: to win the division, with a seventeen point six percent

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Speaker 1: chance of making the playoffs. You're buying look at your division.

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Speaker 1: I'm a Yankee fan. I'm not even confident we're gonna

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs. We're like seven games above you guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just a really, really tough division. The Blue Jays

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Speaker 1: are playing better right now. Vladie just said his first

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Speaker 1: home run at Rogerson. His quality of contact is insane.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna start going crazy in the second half. Blue

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Speaker 1: Jays are just gonna keep getting better and better. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna add I think the Oriels are slowing down anytime soon.

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Speaker 1: You think the Rays are stopping the Angels and the Astros,

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Speaker 1: you think they're stopping in the West. The Central won't

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Speaker 1: get anybody besides their division winner, but there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of really good teams. Makes no sense for the

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Speaker 1: Red Sox to go all in this year, Absolutely no sense.

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Speaker 1: So if i'm them, I'm selling off some of these

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Speaker 1: aging assets who can help contenders. You go get some prospects,

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Speaker 1: maybe some more MLB ready prospects, and then you come

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Speaker 1: next year and you shove it down everybody's throats because

633
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: you're the Red Sox and that's what you do. But

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Speaker 1: this our in the year of Our Lord twenty twenty three,

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00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: it's just down here. But they've had down years and

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Speaker 1: then they win the World Series. So I don't want to

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Speaker 1: hear it. Yep, all right, let's move on to the

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Speaker 1: next question. But before we move on to the next question,

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Speaker 1: shout out so Rare. We saw a bunch of you

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Speaker 1: guys listening to the podcast yesterday and join. We're still

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Speaker 1: which is absolutely free. The link is in our episode

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Speaker 1: can put in a little bit money buy some cards

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Speaker 1: because we were like, what about Redetmers? Did you listen

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Speaker 1: in our Redetmers. A lot of a lot of the

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Speaker 1: or just to hold because we think that their future

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Speaker 1: is great. That's why So Rare is such a great app,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, because you can play Fantasy Baseball for free.

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Speaker 1: You don't got to pay anything. So if you don't

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Speaker 1: want to spend a time, absolutely no worries. Just play

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Baseball for free. But if you're interested in cards collecting,

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Speaker 1: if you're interested in players that you know are very

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Speaker 1: It's such an easy sell, ladies and gentlemen to download

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Speaker 1: So Rare. It is in the episode of description, it's it's.

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Speaker 4: Cards on the Internet. It's buying and selling cards on

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Speaker 4: the internet. And if you like, if you want to

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Speaker 4: do that, it's just without the cardboard. And I love

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Speaker 4: the cardboard. Don't get me wrong. I know you love

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Speaker 4: the cardboard too. I love the car.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't take you away from doing that also, No,

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Speaker 1: you can do both.

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Speaker 4: I view it as I view it as playing the

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Speaker 4: stonks s sto nks. It's it's all stanks for me

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Speaker 4: and read debt meers is my stunk.

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Speaker 1: Stonk way up, Lovey Deevers. You know who's been great?

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Speaker 1: Dylan fucking cease.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Dylan awesome.

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Speaker 1: Dude has been shoving. Now he's maybe a guy who

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Speaker 1: you're like, all right, he's got an e ra in

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Speaker 1: the high three s now. I think he's time to invest.

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Speaker 1: He looks all the way back. Yeah, all right, let's

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Speaker 1: move on to our new next question. If the Pirates

681
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Speaker 1: decide to sell the deadline, is Andrew McCutchen possibly going

682
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: to get traded with others like a Rich Hill and

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Speaker 1: a Carlos Santana or is this going to be a

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Speaker 1: farewell tour since it could be his last season. What

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Speaker 1: I did see is do you see that Edrew McCutchen

686
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Speaker 1: quote tweet that was a parody, that it was a parody.

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Speaker 1: I got fooled.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I think Patriello got fooled too.

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Speaker 1: I got fooled.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I love that this question was included because I'm

691
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Speaker 4: gonna shut this thing down immediately. Andrew McCutchen is not

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Speaker 4: being traded, mark my words, he is not being traded.

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Speaker 4: I saw the John Morosi tweet I'm sure everybody saw

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Speaker 4: the John Morosi tweet. Jason Mackie, who covers the Pirates

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Speaker 4: for the Post Gazette, immediately replied and said, I have

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Speaker 4: talked to mccutcheen about this several times. I have direct

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Speaker 4: quotes from him. He does not want to be traded.

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Speaker 4: He is not getting traded. It is pretty much a

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Speaker 4: no trade that was agreed upon when he came back.

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Speaker 4: This is not his swan song. McCutchen is one of

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Speaker 4: the true, like valuable bats in the Pirates lineup right now.

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Speaker 4: Mccutcheen's one of the better players on the Pittsburgh Pirates.

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Speaker 4: I think mccutchin's going to be a Pirate until he

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Speaker 4: wants to hang the cleats up. Yeah, he's not getting traded,

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Speaker 4: like he has a NOE trade clause without the note

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Speaker 4: trade clause. He's not getting traded. Okay, everybody within the

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Speaker 4: Pirates knows that he's not getting traded, but other people might.

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Speaker 4: Carlos so people might no. I think rich Hill's a

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Speaker 4: perfect flip candidate. I think Santana is a perfect flip candidate.

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Speaker 4: Gi man Choy's on a rehab. I think Choi is

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Speaker 4: a perfect flip candidate because these guys don't factor into

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Speaker 4: the pirates long term plans. Flip the guys that don't.

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Speaker 1: Getting off beat for a little bit because we kind

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Speaker 1: of just went over the guys who the Pirates can

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Speaker 1: trade because they're a really young team. They just have

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Speaker 1: a couple of veterans you could potentially move off get

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Speaker 1: more prospects, and their system is fantastic, and they're going

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Speaker 1: to have the number one overall pick and they're, unless

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Speaker 1: they're crazy, going to draft to Dylan Cruz or a

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Speaker 1: Paul Skins or a Whyl Langford who could be ready

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Speaker 1: by twenty twenty four. I mean, they're that good and

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Speaker 1: they're that ready, so they'll have them in the fold.

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Speaker 1: Henry Davis were seeing to get called up, Nick and Zalez,

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Speaker 1: Andi Rodriguez is going to get called up like they

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Speaker 1: are the windows opening and they're going to be awesome,

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Speaker 1: So they could potentially just flip. We named him Carlos Santana,

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Speaker 1: Rich Hill, couple other guys. So I just have a question, yeah,

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Speaker 1: or you wanted to say something first, I.

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Speaker 4: Was just gonna run through the lineup that you could

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Speaker 4: be looking at in twenty twenty five. Andy Rodriguez catching, Yeah, beast,

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Speaker 4: Let's put whoever at first base. I don't need to

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Speaker 4: put something one bay no one bay. Let's put Nick

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Speaker 4: Nzalez at second. Let's put onneal Cruz at short, keep

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Speaker 4: Brian Hayes at third, Reynolds in left, Cruz, Dylan Cruz

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Speaker 4: in center, Henry Davis and right. Sign a free agent

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Speaker 4: first baseman Sewinsky's dhing and then you've got a rotation

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Speaker 4: that features Mitch Keller. How about a healthy Mike Burrows

738
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Speaker 4: when he's back from TJ. How about twin priest just

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Speaker 4: an eleven punch out game, Jared Jones looks electric, Anthony Solimido,

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Speaker 4: row Anson, Canterreris if he bounces back. There are so

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Speaker 4: many options here. That's a good lineup that I just

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Speaker 4: rattled off for.

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Speaker 1: You, no doubt about it. And you can put Sewinsky

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Speaker 1: in the outfield, and you can move Henry Davis to first,

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Speaker 1: or you could just sign a first base like they

746
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Speaker 1: will be loaded. So my question is, and I thought

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Speaker 1: it was funny that ROWANSI could Charres. His name went

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Speaker 1: far down the line when you were talking about guys

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Speaker 1: that you want to build around. Right, you also have

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Speaker 1: a Joan Obiedo you have Luis Artiz, you got a

751
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Speaker 1: lot of other arms.

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Speaker 4: Totally forgot to mention Ortiz exactly.

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Speaker 1: But Rawance, how does he factor in? Dude?

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Speaker 4: I thought he was an extension candidate. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I'm as spun around on Roe as as everybody else

756
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 4: is because I think that guy has so much ability.

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Speaker 4: I think he's got stupid juice in that arm. He's

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Speaker 4: ninety seven, he's got a hammer of a curve ball, Like,

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Speaker 4: let's figure this shit out. The sliders awesome. I don't

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Speaker 4: know if it's a time thing. I don't know if

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Speaker 4: it's a rep thing. I don't know if he's in

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Speaker 4: a funk thing. Dude, I'm I'm lost on Rowansea Canterreras

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Speaker 4: right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm lost too. And it's funny when you know, when

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Speaker 1: I'm making my daily picks and Rowance's on the mound,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, is he facing a good offense? Fading him?

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Speaker 1: He's facing him bad offense. I'm taking him well.

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Speaker 4: Now you don't even see him on the app because

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Speaker 4: he's out of the fucking bullpen. How does that happen?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. But he is twenty three. He's younger

771
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Speaker 1: than Bryce Heler.

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Speaker 4: He's younger than Fernando Tatis Junior, who now we know

773
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Speaker 4: is twenty four and younger than Adlie, younger than Adlie Rutchman.

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Speaker 4: It's tough, dude. Like a month ago, maybe a little

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Speaker 4: bit more, maybe six weeks ago when they locked up

776
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Speaker 4: Brian Reynolds and they started talking about the possible extension

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Speaker 4: conversations with others. Keller, but Rowansi was next. For me,

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Speaker 4: it was like, yeah, like extend Keller earned Rowanze on

779
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Speaker 4: cheap deals. Not what do you do? No, you just

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Speaker 4: wait and see what you got.

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Speaker 1: So fascinating. I just don't know what's going to happen

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Speaker 1: to him, but wishing the best because I do think

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Speaker 1: he has an electric arm.

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Speaker 4: Like he's so stupidly talented.

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Speaker 1: He's just talent there. And he's still so young. He's

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Speaker 1: still so young, and I you know, we made jokes

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Speaker 1: about that, but at the end of the day, he

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Speaker 1: is still so young. That's the reason why we bring

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Speaker 1: it up. If he finds it at age twenty five,

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Speaker 1: like Mitch Keller took a while. Keller just found it

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Speaker 1: just end of last year. He just found it exactly.

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Speaker 1: So Rowancee's got time. But it's just a very puzzling situation.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to our next question. So

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Speaker 1: the Rays, the Orioles, and the Reds and the Marlins

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Speaker 1: are all succeeding at high levels with low payrolls and

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Speaker 1: great development and organizational help, while none of the top

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Speaker 1: seven payrolls are in the top two of their division.

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Speaker 1: Could we see a regress towards the mean with a

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Speaker 1: three hundred millillion dollar contracts and see more of that

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Speaker 1: invested in coaching and team development. Obviously, sign your best players,

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Speaker 1: but it's not shocking that a forty year old and

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Speaker 1: a thirty eight year old are struggling leading rotation, no

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Speaker 1: matter how great they are. Asked by Ben Wixier on Instagram. Also,

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Speaker 1: I want to shout out I forgot to say everybody's names.

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Speaker 1: I apologize. Shout out Monday, Underscore Ethan, shout out Isaac

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Speaker 1: Underscore Z fourteen, shout out Joey, Joey's Keyhan Ski Skihan,

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Speaker 1: I'm an idiot zero four Naoki Baseball Nerd on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Shout out Naoki. And that question was asked by Ben

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Speaker 1: on our Instagram. You summed up this question because it's

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00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: kind of a complicated question. Yeah, let's sum it up

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Speaker 1: before we answer it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So I thought that this was an excellent bit

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Speaker 4: of research from Ben here to note that the high

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Speaker 4: payroll teams are not performing as well as the teams

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Speaker 4: that have emphasized player development at this point. So I

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Speaker 4: think the way Ben wants this question perceived, and like, listen,

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Speaker 4: hit us on Twitter or Instagram if we're wrong about this.

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Speaker 4: But the way that I perceived this question personally was

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Speaker 4: do I think that we will get away from the

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Speaker 4: big money deals and more teams are going to try

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Speaker 4: and place a greater emphasis on player development and amateur

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Speaker 4: scouting in the way that has made the Rays successful.

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Speaker 4: That's how I interpreted this question, and my very it's

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Speaker 4: a really good one. And my answer to that is

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Speaker 4: something that I have thought long and hard about, and I,

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Speaker 4: you know, like was not necessarily waiting for a mail

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Speaker 4: bag question to dive into it. I think we have

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Speaker 4: dove into it previously. I think that the best teams

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Speaker 4: in baseball will be a combination of excellent amateur scouting,

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Speaker 4: excellent player development, and excellent allocation of financial means. Yep,

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Speaker 4: this is a really weird year where the big money

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Speaker 4: teams are not succeeding because usually there is a loose

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Speaker 4: correlation between spending a lot of money and winning a

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Speaker 4: lot of baseball games. The big market teams, the big

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Speaker 4: money teams typically win the most baseball games. This year

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Speaker 4: has been an outlier. I think that's a good thing.

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Speaker 4: The teams that he just mentioned to Tampa Bay. Everybody

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Speaker 4: knows Tampa Bay is the best at identifying like the Castaways.

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Speaker 4: Their bullpen is full of Castaways that threw weird and

840
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 4: it's like, hey, you have one pitch that performs really well,

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00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 4: do that all the fucking time. Jose Siri failed in

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00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 4: two places and he's an everyday center fielder. Isak Peredes,

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00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 4: who was flipped for Austin Meadows in like, hey, this

844
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 4: was a top prospect that we don't think is like

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Speaker 4: that great anymore. Take him. He's opsing over eight hundred.

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00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 4: And then they identify a guy like Wander Franco and

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Speaker 4: they sign him to a big money deal. Randy Rosarna

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Speaker 4: was an afterthought for the Saint Louis Cardinals. They do

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Speaker 4: so such a good job of identifying guys that fit

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Speaker 4: their mold really well, so I give them a massive

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Speaker 4: thumbs up. For amateur scouting. The Marlins are fascinating because

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Speaker 4: they are player development one oh one, especially pitchers. They

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Speaker 4: can't develop hitters that well. Luisa Rise has been a

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Speaker 4: godsend for that lineup. But you think about Uri Perez.

855
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 4: This guy's a wonder kid. They identified him, they taught

856
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 4: him that high speed change up and it is all

857
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 4: systems go. Sandy has ticked up Lozardo looks great, looks comfortable.

858
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 4: The reds Elie de la Cruz was, I mean a

859
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 4: diamond in a shit pile, like in he's a sixty

860
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 4: five thousand dollars free agent. That guy is so hard

861
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 4: to find, and they found an alien. Matt McClain was

862
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 4: one of their first round picks. They do a great

863
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 4: job identifying. And then the Orioles have the best farm

864
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 4: system in baseball. And you were seeing an excellent farm

865
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Speaker 4: system with good development but great identification start to rear

866
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Speaker 4: its head as a team that is really successful at

867
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Speaker 4: the big league level. So I think that this is

868
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 4: year that could incentivize big money teams to start spending

869
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 4: more on development and scouting. I don't think we're getting

870
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 4: away from the big money contracts because the best players

871
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 4: in Baseball are the ones that win World Series.

872
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Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more. I thought you broke

873
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: it down really well. But I also think that we

874
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: are freaking out a little bit because it is the

875
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: middle of June. Let's see how well the Marlins continue

876
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: to play. Let's see how well the Reds continue to play. Now,

877
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: the Reds have hit on a lot of great trades,

878
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: and they have an obviously flowering farm system. You gotta

879
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: give them a lot of credit. Ori'll same thing. But

880
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: these are a lot of teams that were in the

881
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: dumps for a very very long time. And when you

882
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: have the first pick, the second pick, third pick, you're

883
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: in the top ten in every single year, you're ultimately

884
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: gonna hit on a few and then get some great

885
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: players and then ultimately be good. Like the Yankees, they

886
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: are un able to tank. The steime Bredd and her

887
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: family will never tank. Now we're seeing the Rangers sign

888
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: Corey Seegers, sign Marcus Semion, all these big time for agents.

889
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: They're doing pretty damn well. Like there are only a

890
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: few teams in all of Major League Baseball who have

891
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: able to hit on draft picks, allocate their funds correctly

892
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: and that's like the Astros in the Rays, like the

893
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: Dodgers are always competitive and have hundreds of millions of

894
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: dollars in payroll. And the Mets is like the big

895
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: example right now of shittiness. But that's kind of been

896
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: the Mets m forever.

897
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Speaker 4: They're an outlier. This year, I think that they're a

898
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 4: total outlier. There are two examples of this working and

899
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 4: culminating in a World Series win. Because we talk about

900
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 4: how the rais of the gold standard. Yes, they're constantly

901
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 4: in the postseason. When's their World Series?

902
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: Exactly?

903
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 4: The Guardians are really good at this. They were within

904
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 4: and out of winning the World Series. When's their World Series?

905
00:46:58,520 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: Are the Guardians really good at this?

906
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 4: The Guardians are good at this?

907
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 1: Are they good at developing hitting? Who's been an impact

908
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: hitter outside of Jose Ramirez? Now for a while you

909
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: could say Andres Jimenez, but they got him in a trade,

910
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: which he you know, good on them?

911
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I mean Stephen Kwan.

912
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: Stephen wanted to really have batting average in year one.

913
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: He has not been very good this season.

914
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 4: No, I mean Francisco Lindoor like they developed him. Yeah,

915
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 4: there are consistent bats that come up and perform for them.

916
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 4: They have a lit they've always been I mean not always,

917
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 4: but for the last decade they've constantly been above five hundred.

918
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: They're extremely good at developing pitching. I will shower praise

919
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: upon them for that. But hitting, I don't know if

920
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: I believe in this. Our models love high contact guys,

921
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: and we'll we'll teach you how to impact the baseball.

922
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he say the end, it got him to

923
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 4: the Alds last year with the youngest roster in baseball.

924
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they lost to my poverty Yankee.

925
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I like it's a part of market. Well,

926
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 4: this feeds my point, right, Like it got into the postseason,

927
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 4: did they like did they have any shot at winning

928
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 4: the World Series last year?

929
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: But I think that's what I'm saying, Like, I think

930
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: we're freaking out a little bit. We're seeing a big

931
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: payroll by the Mets and we're seeing these young, up

932
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: and coming teams with low payrolls. But it has been

933
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: the result of a lot of years. Like Reds fans,

934
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: they've had a lot of years in the Cellar, Orioles

935
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: fans a lot of years in the Cellar, Marlins, a

936
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: lot of years in the cellar right the Nationals, they're

937
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: in the cellar right now, but they're accumulating very a

938
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 1: ton of young assets and then potentially they'll be good

939
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: in a couple of years. So it's it's not often

940
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: the case. Right now in June, there are a couple

941
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: of young, up and coming teams who aren't paying anything,

942
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: and the Mets are horrible.

943
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 4: So I'm going to give you the two examples that

944
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 4: culminated in a World Series win. It was the twenty

945
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 4: fifteen Kansas City Royals and it was the twenty seventeen

946
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 4: In twenty two, I guess Houston Astros because those are

947
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 4: still homegrown guys and those cubs and those cubs, but

948
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 4: they moved for Lester. That was a big money move

949
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 4: for John Lester. That was a deadline deal for a

950
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 4: rold As Chapman. They had guys like that. It was

951
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 4: a big money move for ben Zobrist. I mean like

952
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 4: the Royals did it with homegrown talents like Alex Gordon,

953
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 4: Elcide's Escobar, Salvador Perez Hosmer was homegrown at that point.

954
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 4: Yardna Ventura was homegrown at that point. They made some

955
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 4: moves to help them out, but all the biggest stars

956
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 4: were guys that, like they developed the Houston Astros. I mean,

957
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 4: now two Bays their guy. Bregman is their guy. Correa

958
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 4: was their guy from ber Valdez was their guy. Trade

959
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 4: for very very young, traded for jord On early. Kyle

960
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 4: Tucker was their guy. Ye, so like they traded for

961
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 4: Cole they had Verlander. Those were those were the ones.

962
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 4: So I think those are the two examples, like mostly

963
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 4: homegrown teams winning the World Series. That's two in the

964
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 4: last time.

965
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,959
Speaker 1: Like there is a there's an upper echelon. There are levels, yeah,

966
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: and the Astros and Rays are just on another level.

967
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: And the Ashows aren't even doing that well this year. Yep,

968
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 1: they'll be fine though. Our last question is a great one.

969
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: Who do you guys view as the sleeping giant of

970
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: the MLB right now? I E think twenty twenty one

971
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: Atlanta Braves And this was asked by Daisy Doogies on Twitter.

972
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: Shout out, Daisy Doogies. There are teams that I want

973
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: to say, and it's so hard, but I think my

974
00:50:52,280 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: ultimate sleeping giant right now is the Houston Astros. They're

975
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: not in the cellar, They're still competing right there. With

976
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: the Angels, and you know, and they're not in first

977
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: place anymore. But the Rangers have slid back a little bit.

978
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: Couple of tough losses. The Yankees did beat them two

979
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: out of three Yankee Stadium, and then they just got

980
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: weirdly blown out by the Tigers. Shout out the Tigers,

981
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: Shout out the Tigers. Yep. But I don't know how

982
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: I can't view them as this sleeping giant here when

983
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 1: we're talking about because there's a lot of different ways

984
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: we could go about this. Like the Phillies are always

985
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: that team where when they get hot, they're so tough

986
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: to beat. If they sneak in, they can win a

987
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: World Series just like they did, or at least get

988
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: to it like they did last year. The Padres, you

989
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: can tell, like Blake Snell's pitching out of his mind

990
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: right now. Darvish has been struggling Muscove, Like we can

991
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: go through all these teams who are supposed to be

992
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: really good, but the Ashros have been destroyed with injuries, right,

993
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: Jordan's out for at least another chunk. Lance mcculler's done,

994
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: jose Er Chidy done, right, You look at the bullpen

995
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: hasn't been all healthy this year. Rafael Montero's taking an

996
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: enormous step back. But I look at this team and

997
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: I say, on any given day, they can be in

998
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: any team, and you can say that about a lot

999
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: of different baseball teams. But they've been pretty unlucky by

1000
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: battle Balllock. I don't have to go through all the stats.

1001
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: They've been pretty unlucky on the mound two. They still

1002
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: have an elite bullpen, and they've still been there and

1003
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: done that. And I bet if you walked into the

1004
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: Ashos clubhouse and said, are you guys nervous? Do you

1005
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: guys think you won't win the division? I guarantee you

1006
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: all twenty five of them are saying we're winning this division.

1007
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 1: We know we are, and I would not be surprised

1008
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 1: if they still do. I still think they do. Weirdly,

1009
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: I think the Rangers are still a very very good team,

1010
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: but I think the loss of de gram is going

1011
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: to really really hurt moving forward. I think the Ashos

1012
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: are going to be strategic at the deadline like they

1013
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: always are, adding the right pieces when they need to.

1014
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: And I still think that the Ashoes are going to

1015
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: win this division and they're going to get in the playoffs, folks,

1016
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: and we know what they're gonna do. So they're my

1017
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: big sleeping.

1018
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 4: Giant Seattle's mind. Get this rotation, get this bullpen in

1019
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 4: the postseason, and you're running out Castillo, Kirby Gilbert and

1020
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 4: Bryce Miller. You throw Brian Woo in the bullpen, and

1021
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 4: you've got Munos, You've got Seawold, you've got all those

1022
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 4: bullpen pieces that are working for them. The offense, like

1023
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 4: Julio has been bad this year? Where did that come from?

1024
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: Bad? Relative?

1025
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 4: Relatively speaking, he's been bad. We were expecting you know, nine,

1026
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 4: I don't know obs from Julio. We're just not getting it.

1027
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 4: So we're like, Okay, he's been bad, so yeah, mid

1028
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 4: But like, I don't know, I think if this offense

1029
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 4: takes any sort of step forward, that pitching, if they

1030
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 4: get an opportunity, can win three games in a row.

1031
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 4: One nothing.

1032
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more. I'm still totally bought

1033
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: into the Seattle Mariners. I've just been so underwhelmed by

1034
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: their hitting. I keep waiting, I keep waiting.

1035
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 4: I keep it's brutal.

1036
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: It's been brutal. Hy France, where'd you go Tuft curtain

1037
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: and has nice addition. Right, cal Rawly has not been

1038
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: the same guy. Colton Wong isn't even a player anymore.

1039
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: It's been so underwhelming, like how many one zero games

1040
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: can you win? But I agree with you. If they

1041
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: get hot, They're pitching is too damn good and that's

1042
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: going to carry them. They just need to score a

1043
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 1: couple of runs, right, a couple of couple here and there.

1044
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: But I just keep looking at the ashes saying there

1045
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,479
Speaker 1: is no shot. I'm counting them out Mariners. It's tough

1046
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: when I look at their offense, astros am like, you

1047
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: guys can still with the world's hair yet.

1048
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 4: But then I see b Lack in France throwing and

1049
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 4: what black just got actioned that France is still throwing

1050
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 4: in that rotation.

1051
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 1: No, it's not ideal that started a game. Their their

1052
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: rotation has been decimated by injuries. I just think they're

1053
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: gonna add and I think they're gonna get guys back

1054
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: TBD TVD. That'll do it for this episode. That just

1055
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Speaker 1: Baseball Show. Hopefully you guys enjoyed the mail bag again.

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