1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: And you're here. Thanks for choosing the I Heart Radio 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast a and paranormal podcast network. Your 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: quest for podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: ends here. We invite you to enjoy all our shows 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: we have on this network, and right now, let's start 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: with The Afterlife. Sandra sham Plan, Welcome to our podcast. 7 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: Please be aware the thoughts and opinions expressed by the 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: host are their thoughts and opinions only and do not 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: reflect those of I Heart Media, I Heart Radio, Coast 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: to Coast AM employees of Premier Networks, or their sponsors 11 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 12 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi. 13 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: I'm Sanders Samplain. For almost twenty five years, I've been 14 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 15 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: On each episode, will discuss the reasons we now know 16 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: that our loved ones have survived physical death and so 17 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. We humans 18 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: are funny creatures, aren't we. We just want somebody we 19 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,919 Speaker 1: can talk to about this stuff. It's episode seventy five 20 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: today and it's so hard for me to believe that 21 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: we've come this far. I feel delighted and honored that 22 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 1: I was asked by I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast. 23 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: AM a little intimidated, thinking can I do a good 24 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: enough job? And here we are seventy five weeks later 25 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: and you're still with me. But I am just as 26 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: human as you. I want every episode to be good. 27 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: I want you to be engaged, and sometimes perfection is 28 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: not the answer. Many years ago, I took a course 29 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: in public like speaking, and I practiced and I practiced, 30 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: and I practiced and I practiced, and when I got 31 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: up on stage, I delivered what I thought was a 32 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: flawless presentation. But out of the or thirty people that 33 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: were in the class with me, I got the lowest score. 34 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: So I was completely baffled why that would be. And 35 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: then somebody said, we want the real Sandra. You were 36 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: too perfect. And today when I woke up and I 37 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: was thinking about the show we have, I thought, let's 38 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: just put perfection aside and let's just be real. You 39 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: know sometimes, and this is good advice for all of us. 40 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: When we can just show who we really are warts 41 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: and all, as they say, it makes us the most lovable. 42 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: You know, there's just one of us on the planet, 43 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: of each one of us, and we're unique, we're different, 44 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: and there's something about us that makes us unique and 45 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: makes people love us. So I thought, let's just have 46 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: a talk. Who doesn't need a friend that they can 47 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: talk to about the afterlife? Right, So I'm your friend 48 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: today and we're going to just do this off the 49 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 1: cuff and from the heart. A few nights ago, I 50 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: was asked to be on coast to coast am just 51 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: for a couple of minutes, and George Norri asked to 52 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: me about the percentage of people that believed in the afterlife. 53 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: There was a study done about twenty years or so 54 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: ago that said about sixty percent of the people believed 55 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: in some kind of an afterlife. And then we move 56 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: on to about ten years ago and there was seventy 57 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,839 Speaker 1: four percent that believe. And then even more recently, there's 58 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: about eighty three percent of the world's population that claim 59 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: they believe in the afterlife. And digging a little more, 60 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: there's about nine of people in the world that belonged 61 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: to some kind of a religion that believes in the afterlife. 62 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: So I think things like movies and TV shows, and 63 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: when you get a celebrity or a doctor that has 64 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: a near death experience, it helps people believe. But I 65 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: think more than that is it helps people be open 66 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: and honest about their beliefs. I think, like myself, there's 67 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people that believe or have had really 68 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: strange occurrences and they have never told anybody. You know, 69 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: when my book first came out, We Don't Die The 70 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: Skeptics Discovery of Life after Death, the title held true. 71 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: I didn't believe in this stuff. I wasn't quite an atheist, 72 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: but I really didn't know and I had never experienced 73 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: anything that would lead me to believe that there is 74 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: a bigger picture. So with that, I actually think I'm 75 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: the perfect messenger because I've done the work, I've researched, 76 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: I've experienced, and now I can live to tell the story. 77 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: But when the book first came out, I honestly was 78 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: so scared that people would think I was crazy, that 79 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: I'd lose friends and family, and my mom and I 80 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: had a long time catering business working with race teams, 81 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: and I thought maybe we lose some business because people 82 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: would outcast me, you know, talking about the afterlife is 83 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: a controversial topic. However, the weird thing is and this 84 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: goes back to me wanting to look perfect with all 85 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: kinds of people in the audience. We human beings have 86 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: a need to be liked and to be respected and 87 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: to be part of a community. So some of those 88 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: things that are controversial we may not talk about. I mean, 89 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: you know, probably when you're with a group of close friends, 90 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: you can really share your feelings and you can be real. 91 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: But then when you're with another group of people, you 92 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: might be a little reserved and you might not say 93 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: certain things. Well, the same thing holds true with afterlife 94 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: when we are with people. Though, it is my honest 95 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: belief that more people, say nine, if not more than that, 96 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: have some kind of belief in the afterlife and they 97 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: had experiences. I mean, have you ever known when the 98 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: phone was going to ring, or you know, when the 99 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: phone did ring, you knew who was calling you. Have 100 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: you had times that you've been with a person and 101 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: you both say the same thing at the same exact time. 102 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: There are these weird psychic occurrences that happen, and we 103 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: tend just to dismiss them as no big deal. But 104 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: when you put them all together, blessed synchronicities. They are 105 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: big deals and they point to something much bigger going on. 106 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: So when I was on Coast to Coast the other night, 107 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: I just challenged the people in the audience to get 108 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: engaged with their friends and families about topics that relate 109 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: to this sort of thing. Now, we never should be pushy. Yes, 110 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: I've gone through a time that I was so excited 111 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: I thought everybody needed to know what I had to say, 112 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: and the truth was, uh, they don't. People need to 113 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: be ready for this kind of a conversation. But if 114 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: you read a good book, or you hear a good appisode, 115 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: or you see a YouTube video, you can throw it 116 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: out there to people. You know. I remember talking to 117 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: Nicola Farmer on one of these past episodes, and she 118 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: works with children. They learn how to use their psychic sense, 119 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: and when they're blindfolded, they can actually see, they can 120 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: play ball, they can put jewelry together, and so many 121 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: other things, but they're blindfolded, so they're using their psychic sense. 122 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: So to say to someone, hey, did you see that 123 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: episode or that YouTube video with the kids that were 124 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: blindfolded that we're playing catch and you know, just kind 125 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: of engage people in conversation and see what they say. 126 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: Some people will pick up the ball and run with it. 127 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: They'll start talking to you about some of their strange experiences. 128 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: When I started sharing about my book, I was so 129 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: delighted that nobody rejected me. While there was one lady 130 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: actually that was a little strange. She was a really 131 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: heavy duty born again Christian and this was at the 132 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: racetrack when I was cooking for the race teams. She 133 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: just thought, we need to pray for Sandra. So she 134 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: got a couple of her friends involved and we sat 135 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: in a circle and yes, heavy duty prayers to cast 136 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: out the demons from within me. Okay, so be it. 137 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: But that was her belief and I just said, okay, 138 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm not going to argue. We cannot argue with people 139 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: and we cannot try to change people's beliefs. But for me, 140 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: more people accepted what I had to say. And I 141 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: met a bunch of people that had either a loved 142 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: one passed away or God bless this one man who 143 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: was a crew member of one of the race card teams, 144 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: and he had a five year old child who had 145 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: passed and he was really interested in what I had 146 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: to say. A woman came into our tent and she 147 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: had breast cancer and she was really uncertain about her future. 148 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: So from my heart, I decided to share what it 149 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: was that I found and what it was that I 150 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: believed in. There was a security guard at the Daytona 151 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: Speedway who told me he had had a heart attack 152 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: and he had flatlined on a operating table in the hospital, 153 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: and his mom was there, and of course his mom 154 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: was deceased, and so many other things happened, and several 155 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: people tell me of their near death experiences. There was 156 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: even a crew member of one of the race teams. 157 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: While I was brewing coffee. He came up to me 158 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 1: and he said, when he's kind of in the zone, 159 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: when he's working on one of the race cars or 160 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: working on one of his cars at home, and his 161 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: mind is quiet and he's just kind of in that zone, 162 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: he says, his dad is there, and he says he 163 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: sees him out of his peripheral vision. He says, even 164 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: the dog that he had when he was a child 165 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: growing up, He said, he can see them out of 166 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: the corner of his eye, and they're real. He feels 167 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: their presence. But as soon as he pays men total 168 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: attention to them, they disappear. So there's definitely something about 169 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: being in the present moment that is this gateway to 170 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: the afterlife and to our spiritual abilities. So right now 171 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: I am sitting in house number two. Now doesn't that 172 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: sound like I'm rich and famous and that I have 173 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: two houses? Not quite? You know. You would hear of 174 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: kids whose parents were divorced and they had to live 175 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: between two households, and I always felt sorry for them. 176 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: They should have one home. But when COVID hit, I 177 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: knew the place I needed to be was with my mom, 178 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: And she's a couple of hours drive from where I 179 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: currently am, and I own a house with my auntie, 180 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,599 Speaker 1: with my dad's sister, and so I spend most of 181 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: the time in the house with my mom, which I love, 182 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: And every other month or so, I'll come back home 183 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: for a couple of nights and get to see my 184 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: auntie Donna, and get to sleep in my own bed. 185 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: And in my mind, I really have to take my 186 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: own advice that each one of us are guided, that 187 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: we have an invisible team of people that surround us, 188 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: that our lives are for a reason, that we're here 189 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: to learn. We're here to experience and collect different experiences 190 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: for our soul, do different things, try different things. And 191 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: this experience for me and for you really of being 192 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: okay with the unknown, I think is a big part 193 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: of our experience to really trust that there's a bigger 194 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: picture and where we are right now is where we 195 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: need to be. So time with my aunt, time with 196 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: my mom, time with you. There's a huge resource of 197 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: people in the unseen world and guides helping us on 198 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 1: our journey. So it's so easy to be worried, especially 199 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: right now, there's some horrendous things happening in the world, 200 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: and it's very easy to think about the what ifs 201 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: and what could happen. And I agree the world is 202 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: a scary place right now. But depending on how many 203 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: years you've lived on planet Earth, and I have a 204 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: feeling you've been around for a good amount of time. 205 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: You've made it this far, and I've made it this far. 206 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: We are designed as humans to worry to think about 207 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: what other people will think of us, But the truth 208 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: is we have made it this far, and we have 209 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: to trust our future selves with whatever comes our way, 210 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: that we will be able to handle what comes next. 211 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: So As we continue on our conversation today, I've had 212 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: some thoughts that keep coming up that I want to 213 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: share with you and also talk a little bit more 214 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: about the present moment being the gateway into the world 215 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: with our loved ones. So let's take a break and 216 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about Harry Houdini when we come back. 217 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I 218 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. Hey, 219 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 1: the Coast to Coast on YouTube channels. Go to Coast 220 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: to Coast am dot com for more information. Welcome back 221 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain and you 222 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: and I, well, we're just having a chat now. I 223 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: know that you can't talk back to me, or maybe 224 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 1: you are. Maybe you're shouting at your phone or at 225 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: your computer as I talk. You can do that anyways, 226 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: as we continue. I woke up today in the House 227 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: Number two, which is the house I've owned with my 228 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: auntie Donna for about twenty years. Got to sleep in 229 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: my own bed, and as I woke up, I looked 230 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: at the ton of books that I have around me. 231 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: I've got a pretty big bookshelf and then also on 232 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: top of my dresser, I have mega piles of books. 233 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: What are they all about? They're about the afterlife? Isn't 234 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: that something? Bet you would have never guessed that. What 235 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,479 Speaker 1: about you? Now? You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife, 236 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: But I can probably believe you listen to other shows. 237 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: You keep your eye on YouTube. You have books. What 238 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: do you think? Do you? I bet you do. You're 239 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: like me. So as I was looking at them all. 240 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: One of them, I read it back in the mid 241 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: nineties when I had that really terrible fear of dying. 242 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: It's called The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying, and 243 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: it was the first book that I read that kind 244 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: of broke me out of my fear, that gave me 245 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: hope that there's a bigger picture. So I haven't opened 246 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: it up yet, and literally I haven't read it since 247 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: the mid nineties, thirty years ago. But I'm going to 248 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: take a walk down memory lane. But I looked at 249 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: all these books and I just thought, yes, I am 250 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: totally committed to this. In fact, back in two thousand five, 251 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: I did a course that was called Power and Contribution, 252 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: and the premise was, if you give your life to 253 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: something bigger than yourself. You know, some people want to 254 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: end homelessness, Others want to end starvation, others want to 255 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: clean up the world's waters. If you give yourself to 256 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: something bigger, then your life works out. And life really 257 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: is the very best when you can make it about 258 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: helping others, because the more you give, the more you get. 259 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: And back in those days, I really didn't know what 260 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: my contribution would be. However, I had all these books. 261 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: I've been studying the afterlife for quite some time, and 262 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: I made this bold declaration that by the year twenty seven, 263 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: the people of the world would know that we don't die, 264 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: that we are souls having a human experience. And here 265 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: we are in twenty twenty two, and look what I'm 266 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: doing now. Back then, I didn't have a bunch of evidence. 267 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: I just had a passion in something. And one of 268 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: the things that I declared was that I was going 269 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: to meet like minded people that someday I'm going to 270 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: talk to them and share these conversations. And a good 271 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: amount of years went by that I forgot about this, 272 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: completely forgot, but it seemed like it kept knocking at 273 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: my door, and for me to be here with you now, 274 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:01,359 Speaker 1: fulfilling on what I called my impossible PROMI us is amazing. 275 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 1: So it just doesn't matter if you think or if 276 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: you wonder, if you're on your life's path, if you're 277 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: following your passions, if you're doing your best to help 278 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: others on planet Earth, and you're working hard at whatever 279 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: it may be. You know, sometimes we have to work 280 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: to make enough money to do what we're passionate about. 281 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: So don't look for a life's purpose. Who you are, 282 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: and I know who you are. You're somebody who likes 283 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: to help others. You're somebody who's generous, and you're somebody 284 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: interested in what's possible. So just keep doing that. So 285 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: let me tell you about Harry Houdini. I'm not really 286 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: sure what I'm going to tell you about Harry Houdini, 287 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: but I can tell you that for the past many days, 288 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: I've woken up thinking that I've got to talk about 289 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: Harry Houdini on this show. Now. Somebody and I can't 290 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: remember your name, put a beautiful comment in Apple Music 291 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: left to nice review that he loved story time with Sandra. 292 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: So Harry Houdini is somebody I'm going to tell you 293 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: a little story about many people know who he was 294 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: as a great magician and escape artist, but he also 295 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: had this passion to discover if the afterlife was real. 296 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: When his own mom died, I mean, he really went 297 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: looking for evidence that she was around. Unfortunately he didn't 298 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: get the evidence, and he assumed everybody was frauds. So 299 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 1: let me tell you a little bit about Harry Houdini. 300 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: All right, here we go. His birth name was Eric Weiss. 301 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: He was born in Budapest in eighteen seventy four. Moved 302 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: to the United States with his family and they settled 303 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and then they moved to New York. 304 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: As a child, he started with working on a trapeze 305 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: and he developed slight of hand magic act and he 306 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: actually worked in a circus. He married his beautiful girlfriend. 307 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: Her name was Best and she was also a stage performer, 308 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: and they worked together throughout his career. Early in the 309 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds, he experimented with escape acts, most notably involving 310 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: handcuffs and chains and straight jackets and as well as 311 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: submerging himself in a locked underwater chamber. And he continued 312 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: to gain greater fame and he got very famous as 313 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: a performer, and he and his wife Best toured across 314 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,719 Speaker 1: the United States and Europe. He was very very strong, 315 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: he was very very fit, and he was able to 316 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: demonstrate different escapes and different illusions. From the late nineteenth century, spiritualism, 317 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: which is the belief in the afterlife, had become very 318 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: popular in the United States and in many countries around 319 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: the world. In those days, they did not have evidential 320 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: mediumship like the mediums you know today. The way mediumships 321 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: started back in those days, the mid to late eighteen hundreds, 322 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: they would hold what we're called seances to contact the spirits. 323 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: Now you've heard me talk a little bit about that, 324 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, who wrote Sherlock Holmes, how 325 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: he gave up writing because he was so impassioned by 326 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: what he experienced in the science room that he just 327 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: had to share with everybody the reality of the afterlife. However, 328 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: Houdini found that many of these seances were actually phony. 329 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: And you can understand it because during that time, the 330 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: early nineteen hundreds, there were wars and there were quite 331 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: a bit of deaths, and so people really wanted to 332 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: believe their loved ones lived on. So while there were 333 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: authentic mediums, there were also quite a few con artists 334 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: out to get people's money. So Houdini became a little 335 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: angry about all of this, and he became intent on 336 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: debunking these people, and he, like they say, threw the 337 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: baby out with the bathwater. He just became completely convinced 338 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: that spiritualism was fake. Now, Harry was always close to 339 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: his mother. Her name was Cecilia, and some people say 340 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: his interest in mediums and spirit contact was prompted by 341 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: her death in nineteen thirteen. In any event, he was 342 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: really troubled that the world of afterlife communication was run 343 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: by a con artist in Charlatan's and he was really 344 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: determined to expose it. He joined a Scientific American magazine 345 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: committee that was formed for the purpose of authenticating mediums, 346 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: and the magazine was offering a reward to anyone who 347 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: could prove their mediumistic abilities, but no one was able 348 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: to satisfy the requirements that they had. By nineteen twenty five, 349 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: Houdini had begun a popular show, and he told everybody 350 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: in every show that he offered ten thousand dollars reward 351 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: to anyone who could produce a natural event that he 352 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: was able to disprove in October of nineteen, while Houdini 353 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: was on tour in Montreal, Canada, and he was recovering 354 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: from a broken ankle. He was resting on a couch 355 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: in his dressing room, and there's a story that a 356 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: university student named Gordon Whitehead and a couple of his 357 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: friends were visiting with Houdini there, and during the course 358 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: of their conversation, Whitehead allegedly decided to test a claim 359 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: that Harry had made about being able to withstand blows 360 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: to his abdomen. Whitehead suddenly delivered several hard punches to 361 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: Houdini's stomach while he was reclining on the couch. Of course, 362 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: Houdini was unable to prepare for it. Following this incident, 363 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: Judini experienced a great deal of pain, but traveled to 364 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: Detroit for his next appearance without seeking any treatment. Suffering 365 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: from a high fever following a show on October twenty four, 366 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: he finally agreed to be hospitalized and was taken to 367 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: a hospital in Detroit. He was diagnosed with appendicitis. He 368 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: underwent surgery, but unfortunately there was little hope for recovery. 369 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: Judini clung to his life for just one more week 370 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: and finally died on Halloween, October thirty one, nineteen twenty six, 371 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: at the age of only fifty two, with his wife 372 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: Best by his side. His funeral was held in New 373 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: York City and he was buried in November of nineteen 374 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: and almost two thousand people came to pay their respects. 375 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: The question persists to this day whether the blows too 376 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: his abdomen led to his death or whether he had 377 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: just developed appendicitis and failed to seek tree eatment. Now, 378 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: this article talks about Houdini but doesn't quite get into 379 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: how angry he got at mediums and some of the 380 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: things that he had done. Now, the Internet obviously was 381 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: not around back in those days, so word traveled fast 382 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 1: just by word of mouth. However, there were mediums that 383 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: were up for this challenge with Houdini and some of 384 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: the things he put them through or something else. There's 385 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: a book that you might enjoy called The Medium Who 386 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: Baffled Houdini, and it's a story about the medium Marjorie Crandon, 387 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: and it's written by Elaine who's mescus. There are pictures 388 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: inside the book of some of the contraptions that Houdini 389 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: had put mediums in to see if they could be 390 00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: in this box and still produce spirit form a sans 391 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: and things like that. In those days, there was what 392 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: was called table tilting. In fact, I think it still exists, 393 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: where people will gently rest their fingertips on top of 394 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: a table and invite spirits in. And of course you 395 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: can imagine a lot of people had their knees under 396 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: the table and we're moving the table. Houdini felt that 397 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: if he could provide a contraption large enough to go 398 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: around a medium, that they wouldn't be able to do 399 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: any fraudulent acts. So we'll talk a little bit more 400 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: about that when we come back from the break. And 401 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: it is my personal belief that Houdini is still very 402 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: much alive and has now turned into a good guy 403 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: in the afterlife trying to help scientists. Wait till you 404 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: find out why. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife 405 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a 406 00:25:54,200 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: m paranormal podcast network. Don't go anywhere. There's more Shades 407 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife coming right up. The Coast to Coast 408 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: AM mobile app is here and waiting for you right now, 409 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: and with the app you can hear classic shows from 410 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: the past seven years. 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From the world's point of view, 421 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: he was anti mediums, really thought they were all frauds 422 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: and con artists. But not a lot has been heard 423 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: by the public about a medium who actually baffled Houdini. 424 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: And her name was Marjorie Crandon, and Marjorie was a 425 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 1: pretty famous medium of her time, and Harry went out 426 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: to let the world know that she was a fraud. 427 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: If you look at some things online, there's a lot 428 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: of evidence that Harry Houdini said very negative things about her. 429 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: I live close to the Boston, Massachusetts area, and this 430 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: Marjorie Crandon her husband was a doctor, and there were 431 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: so many Harvard professors that were involved with this. So 432 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: these are some pretty scientific individuals, all convinced of the 433 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: authenticity of this spirit communication. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and 434 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: Harry who Annie had gotten into a big fight over this, 435 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle sided with the medium Marjorie Crandon. 436 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: Harry Houdini went onto his death really saying that mediumship 437 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: was not real, but Harry's wife Bess continued to search 438 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: for evidence of her husband's survival, and there's some documents 439 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: that say that Bess has come out saying that she 440 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: did receive this certain code that they had between them, 441 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: evidence that Houdini lived on. A lot of people speculate 442 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: that that may not be true. But I want to 443 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: tell you why. I think Harry Houdini is a good 444 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: guy and that he's working on behalf of letting the 445 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: world know that life after death is real, because we 446 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: can all change, right, even from the other side. I'm 447 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: sure Harry figured out when he took his last breath 448 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: here on earth and opened them up on the other 449 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: side that the afterlife is real. Someone who knows quite 450 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: a bit about this is Dr Gary Schwartz, and we've 451 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: talked a bit about Gary on other episodes, as we've 452 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: talked to Dr Mark Pittstick, who is working closely with 453 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: Gary on the soul Phone project. You can find out 454 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: more about that at the soul Phone Foundation dot org website. 455 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: Dr Schwartz he has been a long time investigator in 456 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: the afterlife and feels more than ever that there needs 457 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: to be scientific research, not just research that's done in 458 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: the world of parapsychology that doesn't have a lot of 459 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: grit to it. So he's done double blind tests, triple 460 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: blind tests. Do you remember the show Medium about Medium 461 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: Alison du Bois. It was a big show back in 462 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: the day. Dr Gary actually worked with Alison. She was 463 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: a real life person and these afterlife experiments were very real. 464 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: Dr Schwartz has been a professor of psychology and psychiatry 465 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: at Yale University. He's done some major things with some 466 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: major universities, and currently he's published more than four d 467 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: and fifty papers and in the Journal of Science about 468 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: the afterlife. He's got lots of books out. One of 469 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: them is about that Alison du Bois called The Truth 470 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: About Medium. He's got a book called The Afterlife Experiments 471 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: and many more. I got an opportunity to see Dr 472 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: Schwartz first speak back in two thousand and six, and 473 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,719 Speaker 1: I was really interested on these double blind and triple 474 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: blind tests that he did. He has a friend who 475 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: is now in the spirit world and her name is 476 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: Susie Smith, and she had written a lot of books 477 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: about parapsychology and the afterlife, and they had an agreement, 478 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: as she was an older lady, that if she goes first, 479 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: she would certainly come back and let him know that 480 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: she is okay. Well, she actually works with him, and 481 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly the story, but I remember when 482 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: he presented he told about this Susie Smith, and that 483 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: he had a medium actually contact him that said, your 484 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: friend Susie Smith is here and she wants you to 485 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: know that she is alive and well. And through this medium, 486 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: Susie Smith gave the information I see you, you've got 487 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: your Blue Yankees ball cap on, you are eating a 488 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: bowl of spaghetti, and you're in your pajamas. Was something 489 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: like that. It was so evident that he started working 490 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: with Susie Smith, and even though she was deceased, he 491 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: would talk to her and say these are some messages. 492 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: I want you to find these certain mediums, tell them 493 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: and I'd like to get a phone call from those 494 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: mediums letting me know that you visited them. I want 495 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: to play a clip now from Dr Schwartz because he 496 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: very much believes that Harry Houdini is working with him 497 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: from the other side as part of what he calls 498 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: his A Team. This clip is from an interview Dr 499 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: Gary Schwartz did with John Charles Shabbat, and he's talking 500 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: about the technology behind the Soul Phone, and they have 501 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: some kind of very expensive device that can actually measure 502 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: different subtle changes of energy. We've used magnetic sensors, We've 503 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: used electronic sensors, We've used the interference patterns of what's 504 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: called the dynamical interferometer. There have been many different technologies, 505 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: all of which are ultra sensitive, that can pick up 506 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: the tiny amounts of the predicted energy and information historical 507 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: energy and information that we have. After we physically die, 508 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: we work with a hypothesized team on the other side, 509 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: which we call quote the A team, so they the 510 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: eight team, and where the beat deep, where the bad 511 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: and these beings, some of whom we knew in the physical. 512 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: For example, a woman of the name of Susie Smith, 513 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: who I've written about multiple books, who as a sidebar, 514 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: Susie Um had been a leading figure in the survival 515 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: of conscious paras psychology areas. She began writing books in 516 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: the area as she originally began as a skeptic and 517 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: then had a transformation. She published a total of thirty 518 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: books in the field of paris psychology of life after death. 519 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: Originally trained as a journalist, I met Susie when she 520 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: was in her mid eighties. She was retired in Tucson, 521 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: and Susie became my adopted grandmother. And as Susie was 522 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: fond of saying, she couldn't wait to die so she 523 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: could prove it when she was still here. After Susie passed, 524 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: many mediums, not one, more than a dozen have independently 525 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: confirmed the presidence of Susie. And the amazing thing is 526 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: some of those mediums Susie found after she died and 527 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: then brought them to me so she would go, for example, 528 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: to spontaneously appeared to a woman named Suzanne Gieseman, who's 529 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,479 Speaker 1: now a very distinguished medium in the United States. And 530 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: Suzanne claimed that in a meditation who pops into her mind, 531 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: into her experience. But this woman claiming to be someone 532 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 1: called Susie and that she had a connection to me, 533 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: and that she wanted Susie to contact me a bath 534 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: of Susie. And then you know, I'm I'm a serious scientist, 535 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: So I can't accept any of this unfaced value. I 536 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: don't believe it or disbelieve it. I say, Okay, well, 537 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: then what I have to do is do a controlled 538 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: evaluation with you, and I have to see whether you 539 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: can gain information that only with Susie would know about 540 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: me and about our history and so and as you 541 00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: can imagine, that's what's happened over and over and over 542 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: so some and I mean literally over and over and over, 543 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: because there's been so many different mediums that we pressed 544 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: it with. So there are people like Susie. Then there 545 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: are people who have come to us from the other side. 546 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: They quote here about us, and again it's a complex 547 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: process of help that occurs. But one of them very 548 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: controversial figure. And but I'm gonna be going public about this, 549 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: and we've shared this on our website it's www. Soul 550 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: phone dot org. A lot about this technology and history 551 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: and so on and you can read about the A 552 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: team and who these people are. Well, one of them 553 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:41,280 Speaker 1: is none other than the distinguished, famous, internationally known magician 554 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: by the name of Harry Houdini. Now, of course, as 555 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: soon as I say this, people they look either amazed 556 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: or they look cross eyed and they say that's ridiculous. Yeah, 557 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 1: it is ridiculous, but it happens to be true. We've 558 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: had many mediums independently confirmed. I referred to him as 559 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,280 Speaker 1: h H H h H stands for hypothesized Harry Kudini. 560 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: I've done multiple experiments with him over more than ten years, 561 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: and he's one of the best quote test pilots we 562 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: have quote on the other side, So and and Gary, 563 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: how do you verify that what he says it's true? Like, 564 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: do you have access to information that what could be 565 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: maybe an example you could give, and that's a that's 566 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: a really great question. One of the ways that I 567 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: do it today is let's take h hypothesized Harry Cot. 568 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: We do a particular experiment that involves a particular technology. 569 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: This is the very most recent one that we've used, 570 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,240 Speaker 1: which is um in some respects the most exciting because 571 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: it's it's the easiest to demonstrate and the easiest for 572 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 1: people to understand, and we keep have kept that information 573 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 1: up to now for the most part quote secret, meaning 574 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: we haven't shared it, so they're for there's no way 575 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: that a medium would know what they were doing in 576 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:11,439 Speaker 1: order to activate and produce a quote response, nor um 577 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: they would would they know that a particular member of 578 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: the A team was working. What I would do, and 579 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 1: what I do do is I will then contact a 580 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: particular medium who has worked with the lab in the past, 581 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: and I'll say, yes, you know we have been together, 582 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,959 Speaker 1: you're talking sometime, but I would like to You would 583 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: invite Susie, who will then quote bring unidentified people to you, 584 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: and then you should identify see who shows up and 585 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: then ask them what are they doing with the technology 586 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: that would independently confirm that, in fact, person X in 587 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: this case hypothesize Harry Udini was actually working with their 588 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: specific piece of equipment, and when we get positive confirmation, 589 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: that's a form of very very long form of of 590 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: evidence that supports that conclusion. I was at a conference 591 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: where Gary Schwartz presented that he had asked Susie to 592 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 1: ask the A Team to show up to a medium 593 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: artist and have the artist draw pictures. And the pictures 594 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: that the artist drew were pictures of the A team, 595 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: three of them being Harry Houdini, Albert Einstein, and Michael Jackson. 596 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: And the artist said that one of them, which was 597 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, actually showed himself in two different ways. So 598 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: Gary presented these pictures to the audience of drawings of 599 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,240 Speaker 1: Harry Houdini, Albert Einstein, and two pictures of Michael Jackson. 600 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 1: One is how we all know him and remember him, 601 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: and the other was a picture of him in his 602 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: makeup from the video thriller I've Got Goosebumps. Just tell 603 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 1: in you these stories. We'll be back in just a moment. 604 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I 605 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. 606 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere. There's more Shades of the Afterlife coming 607 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:24,839 Speaker 1: right up. 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That's Coast to Coast am dot com. 617 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 1: And now back to Sandra sham playing and Shades of 618 00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 1: the Afterlife. Yeah, welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 619 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: I'm Sanders Champlain and I found that Harry Houdini story 620 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: really interesting and I honestly have faith that he's working 621 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: behind the scenes to help mankind. And I wasn't kidding 622 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,240 Speaker 1: at the beginning when I said I've woken up several 623 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: days this week thinking about Harry Houdini and like, I 624 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 1: had to tell this story. Also, I find that people 625 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: who make the best afterlife messengers are people that didn't 626 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: believe in the first place. Now, I'm not calling myself 627 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:50,359 Speaker 1: an atheist, because I'm more maybe agnostic. Before I went 628 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: on my journey, I just really wasn't sure. I wanted 629 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: to believe, but I really wasn't convinced. So I tell 630 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: all my stories still being a skeptic. I'm not sure 631 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 1: and us, so I investigate these things myself. That's what 632 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: made me fly out to the Arthur Finley College and 633 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 1: take several courses on mediumship. And that's what had me 634 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: take courses on electronic voice phenomena and hypnosis and remote 635 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: viewing and so many other things. I had to try 636 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 1: it to believe it too, then share it others that 637 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: have been atheists that are now spreading the good word. 638 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: We had spoken to Barbara Harris Woodfield on a previous episode. 639 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 1: She had an extraordinary near death experience and she has 640 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,439 Speaker 1: worked very closely with Dr Kenneth Ring, who has documented 641 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,839 Speaker 1: the near death experiences of blind people, people that never 642 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: had vision in life and can see in the afterlife. 643 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: There's people like Naval Commander Suzanne Gieseman whose stepdaughter had 644 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: passed away and she went out looking for answers. Not 645 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,959 Speaker 1: only did she find answers, but she learned mediumship. Dr 646 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: Nancy Ryan, scientist never believed atheist, gets run over on 647 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,840 Speaker 1: her bicycle by a car, has a near death experience, 648 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 1: can see everything and witness everything from outside of her body, 649 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,319 Speaker 1: and has an extraordinary experience on the other side. How 650 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,840 Speaker 1: about Dr Mary Neil, who's a spine surgeon never believed, 651 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: and she capsized in her kayak and with almost fifteen 652 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 1: minutes upside down without air, she was brought back to 653 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,400 Speaker 1: life and had an extraordinary near death experience of seeing 654 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: the other side. Neurosurgeon Eban Alexander, who wrote Proof of Heaven, 655 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:44,320 Speaker 1: another atheist, always chalked up people's near death experiences as 656 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 1: something that happens automatically when a brain shuts down, never 657 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 1: imagining to meet his own sister in the other side. 658 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,759 Speaker 1: Anita more Johnny, author of the book Dying to Be Me, 659 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 1: she had literally gotten last right. Her body was filled 660 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,960 Speaker 1: with cancer, had a near death experience, was given the 661 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 1: choice if she wanted to live, she would be healed, 662 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: but she'd have to come back and tell people the 663 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,879 Speaker 1: good word that the afterlife is real, and she made 664 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: that agreement. She is a miracle healing and you can 665 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 1: research her. Dr Alan Hugueno he's another one engineer, physicist 666 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:29,800 Speaker 1: turned medium. He explains the afterlife in a very scientific way. 667 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,439 Speaker 1: You'll have to go back on previous episodes to hear 668 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 1: these interviews, but Dr Alan Hugueno is one of the 669 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,320 Speaker 1: people we asked to be part of our movie called 670 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: Ronaldi instrumental trans communication from the other side, and he 671 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: explains in our film about the unseen world from a 672 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: scientific point of view. If you haven't seen the movie yet, 673 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: I would highly recommend it. It's the story of Sonia 674 00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 1: and Aldi researching in her laboratory of getting audios and 675 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: voices of the people in the afterlife, and now she 676 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,680 Speaker 1: records videos and in the frames of her videos are 677 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 1: people's loved ones. It's amazing what she does. You can 678 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 1: find the link to watch the film on the homepage 679 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 1: of We Don't Die dot com. And like I said, 680 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 1: I think I'm the perfect messenger too, because I didn't 681 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 1: believe any of this stuff. We need normal people who 682 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:28,399 Speaker 1: aren't filled with the spiritual jargon. I want to talk 683 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,799 Speaker 1: to you a little bit now about another doctor who 684 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 1: had an extraordinary experience. His name is Raj Parti. He's 685 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 1: the author of the book Dying to Wake Up. Dr 686 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 1: Party was the former chief of anesthesiology at Baker's Field 687 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 1: Heart Hospital in California, and his story is one of 688 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: the greatest near death experiences I've heard, just for the 689 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:58,400 Speaker 1: transformation that took place, really giving someone life and giving 690 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: someone purpose even though they might not have believed so. 691 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:08,840 Speaker 1: Dr Party describes himself as having a great deal of wealth. 692 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,240 Speaker 1: In fact, he lived in a mansion, he had several 693 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:17,760 Speaker 1: luxury cars, and he was able to purchase anything he wanted. 694 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,359 Speaker 1: And with that, he's been very honest that he had 695 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:25,360 Speaker 1: a huge ego and thought he was invincible. Back in 696 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, he was diagnosed with prostate cancer 697 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,560 Speaker 1: and he had a routine surgery to treat it, but 698 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:37,440 Speaker 1: it led to complications that left him in excruciating pain, 699 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,520 Speaker 1: forced him back into surgery three times. He describes himself 700 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,760 Speaker 1: that even though the cancer was gone, he lived in pain, 701 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 1: and he lived on pain medications and dealt with a 702 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,879 Speaker 1: huge amount of depression. So for a couple of years 703 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,720 Speaker 1: things got worse, and eventually he was admitted back into 704 00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 1: surgery for a severe infection and fever. He had his 705 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,440 Speaker 1: memory while he was out of no longer being in 706 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 1: his body. He had been given anesthesia, but instead of 707 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,920 Speaker 1: being out of it, he actually found himself outside of 708 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: his body, and it was here as he lay dying 709 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 1: and heavily anesthesized, that he says he woke up. He 710 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 1: was deeply asleep from anesthesia, but he was very aware 711 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 1: that his consciousness had separated from his body. He had 712 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,640 Speaker 1: a vantage point of floating near the ceiling and he 713 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,520 Speaker 1: could look down and he could see the surgeon cut him, 714 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,879 Speaker 1: and he could see the operating room personnel. He could 715 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: smell the odors of what was happening in the room. 716 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,520 Speaker 1: His senses became so acute in this out of body 717 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,880 Speaker 1: state that as he was hearing and seeing and smelling things, 718 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,840 Speaker 1: he felt as if he lifted even further and left 719 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,680 Speaker 1: the operating room and began to drift towards familiar voices 720 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 1: from India, and he could hear his mother and his 721 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,920 Speaker 1: sister talking about their dinner preparations that night, and what 722 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,840 Speaker 1: they finally decided to have was rice, vegetables and beans 723 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,680 Speaker 1: and yogurt. So he witnessed all of that. He found 724 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:15,040 Speaker 1: himself floating again into a very dark space and there 725 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,719 Speaker 1: were little pin pricks of light that he said, and 726 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,840 Speaker 1: he never believed before, but he felt this really strong 727 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,239 Speaker 1: urge to pray, and when he did, it seemed like 728 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,239 Speaker 1: the darkness went away and the brightness got brighter and 729 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:36,200 Speaker 1: brighter and brighter. He actually experienced seeing Jesus. And it 730 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 1: was interesting because although he didn't believe in anything. His 731 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,680 Speaker 1: wife said, you know why, Jesus, why not one of 732 00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:47,280 Speaker 1: the Hindu gods that our religion believes in. But during 733 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,680 Speaker 1: this time, he really felt like he witnessed how he 734 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,880 Speaker 1: lived his life and how he didn't really care about people, 735 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,560 Speaker 1: he cared about material belongings. Truth dawned on him that 736 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,400 Speaker 1: the light he was living on earth was without love 737 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,799 Speaker 1: and without compassion or forgiveness. And the more that that 738 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 1: light grew, the more he felt Jesus's love. He had 739 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:16,959 Speaker 1: this transformation as an anesthesiologist. He chose to come back 740 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,040 Speaker 1: to life and instead of putting people to sleep, so 741 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,719 Speaker 1: to speak, with anesthesia, he decided to wake them up 742 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,080 Speaker 1: to the truth about the afterlife being real and being 743 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:34,360 Speaker 1: of service to others. Dr Parti also reunited with his 744 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,600 Speaker 1: father in the afterlife, and his father said, if you 745 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,560 Speaker 1: keep your consciousness clear and be truthful to yourself, the 746 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,200 Speaker 1: universe and the divine will take care of you. So 747 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:51,160 Speaker 1: Dr Party has changed his medical specialty from ansthesiologist to 748 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,319 Speaker 1: that of one of a mind based healing, which he 749 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 1: uses the principles of healing that were taught to him 750 00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,280 Speaker 1: when he met so many beings on the other side 751 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,200 Speaker 1: and his goal now is to become a healer of 752 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,640 Speaker 1: the soul, especially the diseases of the mind, you know, 753 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:13,360 Speaker 1: negative thinking, and to help heal the energy body from addiction, depression, 754 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,960 Speaker 1: chronic pain, and cancer like he had. His book is 755 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,440 Speaker 1: called Dying to Wake Up, a doctor's voyage into the 756 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:25,120 Speaker 1: afterlife and the wisdom he brought back, you know his 757 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:30,359 Speaker 1: father's quote about keeping your consciousness clear. I think that 758 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,680 Speaker 1: there's a gateway between this world and the next. But 759 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,680 Speaker 1: we need to be clear. And when I say clear, 760 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:43,000 Speaker 1: I mean present quiet, like a clear piece of glass. 761 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,399 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen science fiction movies and they're out 762 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,360 Speaker 1: in outer space and there's a wormhole, and through a wormhole, 763 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,480 Speaker 1: maybe a spacecraft goes and they're transported from their current 764 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,400 Speaker 1: time either way into the future or back into the past. 765 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,440 Speaker 1: And I think being clear, being in the present moment, 766 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,400 Speaker 1: it's like a wormhole between our life and the next. 767 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:10,080 Speaker 1: So all around us right now, there are people, they're working. 768 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,960 Speaker 1: There is this world within a world, you know, instead 769 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,600 Speaker 1: of the afterlife being in heaven out there beyond the clouds, 770 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,839 Speaker 1: we are really part of it. We are really part 771 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,279 Speaker 1: of eternity. Everybody's busy, they've got jobs to do, but 772 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,719 Speaker 1: it's so easy to just take a breath and look 773 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,720 Speaker 1: in on us and be with us. There's no time there, 774 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,080 Speaker 1: so what occurs to us as a lifetime could be 775 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,440 Speaker 1: just a blink of an eye for them will experience 776 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,239 Speaker 1: it certainly when we get there. But when we talk 777 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,920 Speaker 1: about the wormhole and being clear and being in the 778 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 1: present moment, we all want to have signs from our 779 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,920 Speaker 1: loved ones. And yeah, it's great to see a bird 780 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,000 Speaker 1: come by or feather or you know, if you get 781 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,600 Speaker 1: a shiny penny or something. But what's even better than 782 00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:58,480 Speaker 1: that is to quiet your mind. Whether midday or when 783 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,440 Speaker 1: you're waking up in the morning or just before you 784 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,080 Speaker 1: go to sleep at night, do your best to just 785 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:08,440 Speaker 1: slow down, concentrate on your breath, get to that place 786 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:14,000 Speaker 1: between sleep and being awake where your imagination can kick in, 787 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,399 Speaker 1: but don't try to pay it too much thought. If 788 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,759 Speaker 1: you look at a picture of your loved one or 789 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,600 Speaker 1: you have a memory of being with them, and then 790 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,719 Speaker 1: you really think about how exactly it felt, the love 791 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,040 Speaker 1: that you felt for each other, those are things that 792 00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,600 Speaker 1: are like that wormhole that will transport you. And the 793 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:38,239 Speaker 1: more you practice this, the more times you're going to 794 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:42,400 Speaker 1: start having feelings and memories and thoughts. Now, our humanists 795 00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,040 Speaker 1: will want to chalk it up to just our imagination, 796 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,480 Speaker 1: but our loved ones work through our imagination, and every 797 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,840 Speaker 1: course we do and every Sunday gathering we're talking about 798 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,359 Speaker 1: some way that we can connect with our loved ones. 799 00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,160 Speaker 1: So this episode is coming to an end, but I 800 00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,120 Speaker 1: sure hope you take me up on our off or 801 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,439 Speaker 1: and be part of our community. Get involved. You can 802 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,000 Speaker 1: find all the details that we Don't Die dot com. 803 00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,560 Speaker 1: Be sure to watch that Sonya an Auldi movie I 804 00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,640 Speaker 1: told you about. 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