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Speaker 1: So, as you all know, the election is right around
Speaker 1: the corner, and we are talking today about where we
Speaker 1: should go and how we grow and build audience and
Speaker 1: build coalition around showing up the Native Land Pod and
Speaker 1: welcoming more people home. So today we're going to dive
Speaker 1: right into it.
Speaker 3: Welcome home, y'all.
Speaker 1: I am Angela Raie with Tiffany Cross and Andrew gillim. Y'all,
Speaker 1: we got a lot to talk about around this, and
Speaker 1: probably it might may end up in a fierce debate.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we end up in debate. So my question for
Speaker 1: you all is you know we have Andrew is not
Speaker 1: here or did we lose him for what?
Speaker 4: Are you okay? So part of our challenge here on
Speaker 4: Native Land is that Andrew.
Speaker 1: Now he's talking on you. Andrew, get off.
Speaker 4: Of this is what happened. I just want y'all to
Speaker 4: know this is ongoing. I'm pretty sure he did it
Speaker 4: on purpose.
Speaker 2: I think at this dabra bish.
Speaker 1: So my question for you you know what I want
Speaker 1: to go to first, Andrew, This is a great question
Speaker 1: for you. You are one of the greatest campaigners I've
Speaker 1: ever seen, and so as we build a campaign, build
Speaker 1: a ground game for our podcast where we are hoping
Speaker 1: to engage people beyond just listeners, but really being a
Speaker 1: part of our home, being a part of native Land,
Speaker 1: being a part of this safe space, and engaging politically,
Speaker 1: I think overall, we really would desire to see people
Speaker 1: show up participation overall in the political process. What is
Speaker 1: the best way to shore up not just support for
Speaker 1: the podcast and grow the audience, but to grow that
Speaker 1: base of concerned citizens that are engaged, that participate, that
Speaker 1: participate on the show, send in their questions, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera. What do you think is the best way
Speaker 1: for us to do that?
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for the question, Executive producer Rye. And
Speaker 2: in seriousness, I would just say, I don't assume that
Speaker 2: they are not already extremely engaged, responsive and involved in
Speaker 2: the show, because I can't tell y'all how many folks did.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know what, you see it too when
Speaker 2: we're out moving and then when I think about what
Speaker 2: these individuals do in their real.
Speaker 5: Lives, they're like carrying the you know, they're carrying the globe.
Speaker 2: So I think one, I don't know how we rate
Speaker 2: this or how we rank it or get a determination
Speaker 2: of it. I would be willing to bet we probably
Speaker 2: have amongst our listeners some of the most responsive, active,
Speaker 2: engaged in owning like ownership sort of feeling. So I
Speaker 2: think that's probably one of our assets when I think
Speaker 2: about growth for us, I think white liberals want to
Speaker 2: find and probably would find home in this show, if
Speaker 2: for no other reason, to be the fly on the
Speaker 2: wall who then gets to go back in their circles
Speaker 2: of diversity where that exists, or we're in there very
Speaker 2: non diverse circles and talk with some believed authority or
Speaker 2: perceived or heard or listened into perspective about what black
Speaker 2: folks who are interested in culture and politics are thinking
Speaker 2: doing and by way of sort of keeping a pulse
Speaker 2: on the community. And I don't I'm not offended by that.
Speaker 2: I actually invite I like that that happens. In fact,
Speaker 2: I would say since we aired the first question we
Speaker 2: got from a white viewer, brother from I mean, young
Speaker 2: man from Atlanta, we've now seen more white viewers submit
Speaker 2: questions because they're you know, maybe they made the assumption
Speaker 2: that this couldn't be a home for them and that
Speaker 2: they were to you know, just eavesdrop.
Speaker 5: But I think by doing that.
Speaker 2: And invited them in, and I just think there's a
Speaker 2: huge growth opportunity amongst white liberals who want to follow
Speaker 2: the right instruction, which is, don't assume what I think,
Speaker 2: don't you know, take don't assume we see this thing
Speaker 2: the same way, have a seat, take a listen, and
Speaker 2: if there's something growth or gain, you give them that. Cool.
Speaker 4: Well, I think Angela is asking the question because a
Speaker 4: part of it is, you know, growing our audience. So
Speaker 4: I hear you, Andrew, I'm definitely a fan. I think
Speaker 4: you know, we all probably on some level take to
Speaker 4: Fred Hampton approach to coalition building. I think though, it
Speaker 4: is a difference between campaigning and growing an audience. And
Speaker 4: they're cousins not sisters, right, There is definitely a vent
Speaker 4: diagram where these things overlap. Like I think with a campaign,
Speaker 4: there's a call to action, we want you to vote
Speaker 4: on this day for this issue. I think when it
Speaker 4: comes to growing an audience, we're saying we want you
Speaker 4: to come back every week with all the things that
Speaker 4: are pulling at your attention. We are offering you something
Speaker 4: so valuable. We're asking for your time to come back
Speaker 4: every week after week after week and not only do that,
Speaker 4: but tell other people to come back week after week
Speaker 4: and like and review and share our content and all that.
Speaker 4: So I think when it comes to that brand of things,
Speaker 4: we'd be interested in hearing from you guys at home
Speaker 4: where you'd like to see us, because the thing is,
Speaker 4: we may pop up in places that you don't always
Speaker 4: like and that you don't always agree with. And I
Speaker 4: think this is where there are points of disagreement among
Speaker 4: the three of us. And I do want to point
Speaker 4: out we read y'all comments. We you know, see all
Speaker 4: the things y'all are saying, and I appreciate that. The
Speaker 4: audience Angela Andrew, I'll share with you guys that they
Speaker 4: really love the disagreement among the three of us because
Speaker 4: we never get to have nuanced anywhere else. You know,
Speaker 4: if we were all on a cable news panel, all
Speaker 4: three of us will mostly agree and that would be that.
Speaker 4: But we are so much more complicated than that, you know,
Speaker 4: we have so many more like diversity of opinion among
Speaker 4: us and different life experience and different professional experience. So
Speaker 4: I really appreciate that we offer that space for you
Speaker 4: all at home, the same way that we allow for
Speaker 4: each other. So I think are maybe our points of
Speaker 4: disagreement right here. When we talked about convincing last week,
Speaker 4: and I'm saying I'm not a convincer, I don't necessarily Angela.
Speaker 4: You correct me if I'm wrong, But I know I
Speaker 4: don't want to go on Fox News. I don't find
Speaker 4: that to be a good use of my time. I
Speaker 4: think what's valuable to me is telling people who are
Speaker 4: receptive and align, like, let's build that audience first. I'm
Speaker 4: not going to the dissenters first. I'm going to the
Speaker 4: people who agree first, and let's have a ground swelling there.
Speaker 4: I don't know that I necessarily want to sit with
Speaker 4: people routinely who I have an ideological difference with. But
Speaker 4: you you operate in a lot of spaces.
Speaker 5: So what are your thoughts about where we should go,
Speaker 5: what we should do.
Speaker 1: You know what I like about this pod, this mini
Speaker 1: pod for us, is it's actually very instructive to other
Speaker 1: podcasts who may be trying to wrestle with the same thing.
Speaker 1: Like you know, it feels like you kind of hit
Speaker 1: a plateau with your audience. It's the same people are
Speaker 1: coming back every week. We're not talking about those folks
Speaker 1: who already in the know. They may be what they
Speaker 1: call political junkies or politicals, they're already into this type
Speaker 1: of content. And so how do you reach people who
Speaker 1: maybe to your your last point tip, the two points
Speaker 1: you raised were receptive and aligned. There are folks who
Speaker 1: in order to be receptive and aligned, they first have
Speaker 1: to know about it. And I think there's still a
Speaker 1: really large gulf of folks who don't know about it.
Speaker 1: When even in my professional development program, when some of
Speaker 1: the young people come in, they don't know about the
Speaker 1: podcast yet. And so to me, some of the things
Speaker 1: that you do in those moments. Okay, now, I think
Speaker 1: Andrew actually might be frozen.
Speaker 2: Neil.
Speaker 1: I thought he was bound his head in prayer, or
Speaker 1: maybe he was sleep taking a nap until he remarks again.
Speaker 1: But I think the thing that I was gonna say was,
Speaker 1: I think that we deserve, we owe ourselves a tour,
Speaker 1: especially right now we are saying how much democracy is
Speaker 1: on the line and all that's at stake, Well, how
Speaker 1: are we demonstrating all that's at stake if we're just
Speaker 1: in the studio every week. So what happens if we,
Speaker 1: you know, hit the pavement. We're at FAMU and we're
Speaker 1: at spill House Homecoming, and we're in Detroit, and we're
Speaker 1: in Philly or you know, all of these places that
Speaker 1: we're currently finalizing the dates for. And then who do
Speaker 1: we show up with as a collaboration because they are
Speaker 1: the folks that you already listen to, whether they're business
Speaker 1: leaders or other podcasts or elected officials that you really respect.
Speaker 1: What should we do in that respect? And I think
Speaker 1: there the world to me is really open because I
Speaker 1: don't know how we grow by talking in an echo chamber.
Speaker 1: I've never been interested in that. It's more exciting to
Speaker 1: me to hear, Like That's what I actually love about
Speaker 1: our disagreements too. I get mad that we don't all agree,
Speaker 1: but also I appreciate that we don't all agree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because their perspectives and lived experiences that y'all have that
Speaker 1: I don't. I think, to me, what makes the idea
Speaker 1: of getting out of the studio dynamic to me is
Speaker 1: the opportunity to hear from perspectives we would never hear
Speaker 1: if we don't, you know, And it's beyond your Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: dinner table or your Christmas you know, dinner table. You're
Speaker 1: talking to people who you may not hear from. They
Speaker 1: would never even have the opportunity to share space with you.
Speaker 4: That to me a what if Sean Hannity invites us
Speaker 4: to co host a podcast with him? Just one, just
Speaker 4: one day, not like ongoing, but like, let's do this
Speaker 4: one time.
Speaker 1: I'm open to that. And the reason I'm open to
Speaker 1: that is because I think that I believe people can
Speaker 1: be convinced. As dumb as that may be, as altruistic, I.
Speaker 4: Think people can be convinced. Do you think Sean Hannity
Speaker 4: viewers can be convinced.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure because I don't know who his viewers are.
Speaker 1: I think that his viewership may be large and diverse.
Speaker 1: I think there are some people that watch the show
Speaker 1: to see what he's spewing, just so they can go
Speaker 1: back to the people that I know that watch Fox.
Speaker 4: Because I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't talk to a lo out of MAGA voters.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine why not? I don't really talk to them.
Speaker 1: But the folks who I know who watch Fox are like,
Speaker 1: I just want to hear what the right is saying today.
Speaker 1: So I think there are some of those folks that
Speaker 1: could be convinced to be like, oh, I didn't know
Speaker 1: that Tiff and Andrew and Angela had a podcast. Let
Speaker 1: me check it out at least once. I think that's
Speaker 1: a possibility, and I also think that it would make
Speaker 1: for interesting content. Our viewers are used to us dissenting,
Speaker 1: but not dissenting on things that move black people forward,
Speaker 1: like they don't. They're not used to us debating the
Speaker 1: end goal of moving us forward. They're used to us
Speaker 1: debating how we move forward. And I think having a
Speaker 1: conversation with someone who's just like, forget y'all, I don't
Speaker 1: care if you move forward or not drownbish is something
Speaker 1: completely different.
Speaker 4: Well, I want to tell you I do know the
Speaker 4: Sean Hannity viewers, because I think any of us who
Speaker 4: have ever worked in television, you look at the ratings,
Speaker 4: you look at you know, Nielsen, and look at the
Speaker 4: breakdown of the demographics, and their viewers are not actually
Speaker 4: very diverse. And the people who are watching just out
Speaker 4: of curiosity, you not comprise. I think I don't know
Speaker 4: it on top of my head, so I'd hate to
Speaker 4: give it, but I think it's something like ninety three
Speaker 4: percent white and conservative, but I don't you know, you
Speaker 4: guys can fact check me on that. But when you
Speaker 4: look at the numbers of who is actually watching, it
Speaker 4: is not a very diverse coalition. So honestly, my perspective
Speaker 4: is I don't want to spend my time talking to
Speaker 4: those people. I would rather talk to people who feel
Speaker 4: a bit lost in politics. You know, like maybe they're
Speaker 4: not political junkies, but they have curiosity about it, and
Speaker 4: maybe they feel like everyone kind of talks over their head,
Speaker 4: maybe people are just talking at them, they don't feel
Speaker 4: included in the conversation. Like, those are the people I'd
Speaker 4: rather talk to. I like that intersection of people who
Speaker 4: can have a passionate debate about you know, Kendrick Lamar
Speaker 4: and j Cole and Drake, and also have a passionate
Speaker 4: debate about our foreign policy and also have a passionate
Speaker 4: debate about political and economic systems, and also have a
Speaker 4: passionate debate about brown v Board and did it? So,
Speaker 4: you know, and I think there are enough people out there.
Speaker 4: I know, when I get in a cab, taxi drivers
Speaker 4: have opinions. You know, at the barbershop, folks have opinions
Speaker 4: in the group chats. Folks have opinions. People watching a
Speaker 4: basketball game have opinions. I want those people to start
Speaker 4: tuning in. I don't necessarily want to go after Sean
Speaker 4: Hannity viewers or dissenters first, you know, we grow a
Speaker 4: coalition of people who are, you know, somewhat receptive to
Speaker 4: our message, then I would look at outsiders. But right
Speaker 4: now I'd rather go after people who are receptive to us.
Speaker 4: That would be my thought. Andrew, are you frozen or
Speaker 4: what is going on over there?
Speaker 5: No, I'm listening.
Speaker 2: I'm genuinely listening to you all and trying to I
Speaker 2: was your first set of comments after I mentioned.
Speaker 5: Sort of liberal whites. I thought I may have misunderstood
Speaker 5: the question.
Speaker 2: So I'll just I'll say again, and maybe a little
Speaker 2: hopefully clear that I don't think we ought to do
Speaker 2: anything stylistically different, show up as individuals who we are
Speaker 2: not repping perspectives that are not ours. I think the
Speaker 2: sauce is right. I think, however, that there are communities
Speaker 2: who ideologically agree with us, but may not share our
Speaker 2: skin color or lived experience, who are authentically and genuinely curious.
Speaker 5: About and want to do the right things about learning more.
Speaker 2: During the in the wake of of sort of the
Speaker 2: summer of the Awakening, during COVID, after obviously the the
Speaker 2: murder of George Floyd, you had a lot of black
Speaker 2: thought leaders saying I'm not here to teach you, is
Speaker 2: not my job to I don't take responsibility for your
Speaker 2: education on this.
Speaker 5: You do the work.
Speaker 2: And my problem with that lot of thinking was I
Speaker 2: was thinking, god Ley, well do where does that begin? Well,
Speaker 2: then they start reading our books and start showing up
Speaker 2: at more of our lectures and so on and so forth.
Speaker 2: But if you genuinely just want to know folks better,
Speaker 2: and maybe you're in a place where you don't get
Speaker 2: to interact with a lot of us, there's not a
Speaker 2: lot of us there, maybe not a lot of us
Speaker 2: at your job or where you worship.
Speaker 5: Where would folks be able to tune in?
Speaker 2: And I just my thoughts around an area of growth
Speaker 2: is in a white liberal space, not for politics, not
Speaker 2: because I'm running.
Speaker 5: For office, but because I think that there is a sincere,
Speaker 5: genuine interest and allyship potential. And I think I issue
Speaker 5: is just them getting to know it, getting to hear it.
Speaker 5: I don't think we have I.
Speaker 2: Think we show up as who we are, bring who
Speaker 2: we are and knowing that we were out here and
Speaker 2: and and I think that's supposed to take care of itself.
Speaker 2: But it's not for politics, it's not for any other reason.
Speaker 5: Then I think it's a growth.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know what Andrew is over
Speaker 4: there doing.
Speaker 5: I'm for y'all, my computer is slow, so you're showing
Speaker 5: up something.
Speaker 4: Oh he is delayed. Yeah, yeah, he's having I think
Speaker 4: it's probably the storm.
Speaker 1: Dang, even in Tally.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, this is I'm sorry, it's I know it's
Speaker 2: frustrating for y'all, and it's doubly frustrating for me. Uh
Speaker 2: the problem, And I think you're probably right it is.
Speaker 2: It's it's all.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's ominous looking outside.
Speaker 2: Uh so it could be the weather that's.
Speaker 5: Changing on on on my.
Speaker 2: Side, but I will I will say there are in
Speaker 2: San Francisco and Orange County, in everywhere America, these clubs,
Speaker 2: in organizations that meet week to week hundreds of folks
Speaker 2: who are interested in politics, culture, mostly all white audiences,
Speaker 2: who we wouldn't be necessarily a fight with over what
Speaker 2: their positions may be on This is at in the third,
Speaker 2: but I guarantee you they would be learning immensely from
Speaker 2: where we stand and where each of us individually view things,
Speaker 2: and I would submit we would be in for a
Speaker 2: learning on how it is they see the world. I
Speaker 2: talked about the white Lotus incident where I listened to
Speaker 2: this white lady say, oh, you got to be careful,
Speaker 2: And even if we don't have sympathy for that, it
Speaker 2: doesn't hurt to hear it. So you at least have
Speaker 2: some sense of where some other people may be coming
Speaker 2: from in that way and responding. We might respond with
Speaker 2: the right kind of tactics and words and tools that
Speaker 2: they can then hear us. So a homecoming is going
Speaker 2: to be great. I love the HBCU homecoming. And in
Speaker 2: addition to that, on ninety second and why a pomp
Speaker 2: a North Palm Beach club that's what it's called, that
Speaker 2: meets every other week or once a month. Those are
Speaker 2: also very very rich, well literally rich, but also rich
Speaker 2: environments where I think we would go and it wouldn't
Speaker 2: necessarily be a hostile, but it certainly would be a
Speaker 2: learning because, as you said, we don't want to speak
Speaker 2: to the It shouldn't be about necessarily talking to the
Speaker 2: choir every week, although yeah, the choir needs a lift
Speaker 2: every week too, probably, But we also have acquired that's
Speaker 2: a lot larger than I think we've conceived of, and
Speaker 2: there are a lot of ways to get to them
Speaker 2: so that they know we exist.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's kind of my point, because
Speaker 4: I got to be honest. I'm not necessarily like, please,
Speaker 4: white liberals come listen to us. You know, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: everybody's welcome. But I would think, you know, by twenty
Speaker 4: forty four, there will be no racial majority. I think,
Speaker 4: you know, the API community fast is growing demographic out there.
Speaker 4: Welcome home, y'all. Latino community for the first time, ellips,
Speaker 4: black folks in terms of eligible voters, not registered voters,
Speaker 4: Welcome home, y'all. The Indigenous community, who rarely has a
Speaker 4: platform or a voice, Welcome home y'all. You know, Arab voices,
Speaker 4: Muslim voices, you know, who don't get a lot of
Speaker 4: reception or attention, Welcome home, y'all. So I would welcome
Speaker 4: some coalitions of people to this platform. I mean, that's
Speaker 4: definitely a way to grow audiences. But also my people,
Speaker 4: you know, there are so many types of black folks
Speaker 4: across this country who feel ignored, unheard, discarded, and disregarded.
Speaker 4: I want those folks to be aware. I don't think
Speaker 4: our numbers are large enough yet that we have to
Speaker 4: be so eager to go outside the community and beg
Speaker 4: for listeners. Although we welcome everybody, but I would love
Speaker 4: for us to tap in to young folks, you know,
Speaker 4: who are developing their worldview, our peers who don't have
Speaker 4: a place to go, you know, people who find legacy
Speaker 4: media tired and boring and does not reflecting their voices.
Speaker 4: So look, I think, yeah, we might land in some
Speaker 4: spaces that some of y'all don't agree with, And there
Speaker 4: are platforms that some of y'all, you know, might find
Speaker 4: they all might disagree with. Then y'all don't like the
Speaker 4: things that are said on some of these platforms, but
Speaker 4: you might see us on some of these platforms, and
Speaker 4: I don't I just don't want us in gaining new followers.
Speaker 4: I don't want our existing audience to think that we
Speaker 4: are taking a different direction or abandoning them. We're gonna
Speaker 4: stay consistent, but we might pop up some places to
Speaker 4: welcome home new folks, if that makes sense exactly.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, part of the way we
Speaker 1: welcome home new folks is to ensure that they even
Speaker 1: know that we exist, and that means, you know, making
Speaker 1: democracy and politics, democratizing access to processes, and making sure
Speaker 1: that folks feel comfortable engaging. So that may mean, you know,
Speaker 1: we become a little more pedestrian. We collab with some
Speaker 1: folks that have an affinity towards making their material their
Speaker 1: podcast very accessible to their listenership, the folks who view them, etc. Andrew,
Speaker 1: I know you were about to say something.
Speaker 5: I just wanted to quickly say, what power is.
Speaker 2: My thinking around building audience is also that we have
Speaker 2: to get laws, systems, structures changed, and how do we
Speaker 2: educate and equit people with what it is that they need.
Speaker 2: And by the way, the lessons on how we do
Speaker 2: that don't need to necessarily change because of the complexion
Speaker 2: of the persons who is on the listening side. They
Speaker 2: just need to know and also need to hear the
Speaker 2: best ways in which we can go about getting the
Speaker 2: change that we want. Nobody wants to talk into the ether.
Speaker 2: I want to see systems leveled in some cases and
Speaker 2: in other cases reimagined, and in other cases built because
Speaker 2: nobody ever considered that before. And unfortunately, at least where
Speaker 2: I live in Florida, where black folks are eleven percent
Speaker 2: of the population, we can't do that by ourselves exactly.
Speaker 1: And that's the point, right, Like we're what we're talking
Speaker 1: about is not abandoning our base, is talking about growing
Speaker 1: our base, constituency building, coalition building, and growing audience. So
Speaker 1: this has been great. Hopefully we can offer some more tactics.
Speaker 1: TIF if you have a tactic to leave folks with
Speaker 1: who are growing their own podcast listenerships or campaigning or
Speaker 1: you know, whatever else they're doing out there to grow,
Speaker 1: what would you offer one tactic?
Speaker 4: I always offer that Fred Hamton approach. I think, you know,
Speaker 4: coalition building. A lot of people when on my show
Speaker 4: on when I have to show on MSNBC, people say
Speaker 4: why are you including them? They're white adjacent or why
Speaker 4: you including them and like focus on us, and I
Speaker 4: just disagree with that, Like I love black folks, don't
Speaker 4: like I guess so tired of people trying to you know,
Speaker 4: who suggest that about any of us. You are listening
Speaker 4: to three people every week who passionately love black folks
Speaker 4: and we all live in service to equality and liberation
Speaker 4: of black people, because when that happens, everybody wins. But
Speaker 4: we've always had allies in this fight in America, and
Speaker 4: those allies look like Latino people, look like members from
Speaker 4: the Api community, look like members from the Indigenous community,
Speaker 4: look like members from the white folks from white communities,
Speaker 4: look like poor white populations, look like Arab voices and
Speaker 4: Muslim voices and all the things that I referenced earlier.
Speaker 4: So my tactic is that sometimes our values aligned where
Speaker 4: our skin color does not. And you know we I
Speaker 4: just don't want to take the oppressor's tools and start
Speaker 4: hating each other and looking if you got this, then
Speaker 4: that means my community isn't getting that, and we fighting
Speaker 4: over breadcrumbs while the wealthy white men are looking at us,
Speaker 4: laughing and dabbing the corners that are my So my
Speaker 4: tactic is, let's not let them weaponize our communities against
Speaker 4: each other.
Speaker 1: And then, Andrew, when you think about a tactic, a
Speaker 1: single tactic that folks who are growing an audience or
Speaker 1: growing a base, struggling with coalition building, what was the
Speaker 1: tactic you would offer them?
Speaker 2: One? I just say, define yourself first so that you
Speaker 2: don't get out there not knowing who you are, and
Speaker 2: then you're building an audience and recontorting yourself to then
Speaker 2: contain that audience based off of where you say, say
Speaker 2: what you want to say, do what you want to do,
Speaker 2: move the way you want to move.
Speaker 5: And I promise you.
Speaker 2: There's an audience out there who will find you. And
Speaker 2: I think if I were talking about trying to find
Speaker 2: common cause, would I would team up with folks who
Speaker 2: have the kind of audience and the following with whom
Speaker 2: you would like to then grow as a part of
Speaker 2: your constituency. And even if y'all aren't philosophically exact that
Speaker 2: maybe have a rich enough conversation that folks are like, man,
Speaker 2: I'd actually like to come back and hear a little
Speaker 2: bit more than that. And I'm going to say this
Speaker 2: selfishly for in Florida, where you know, I take exception
Speaker 2: with the issue that black folks and brown folks have
Speaker 2: found largely common cause because that hasn't been as a
Speaker 2: local or a person who's going to state righte my
Speaker 2: own experience. So I'd love to see us do you know,
Speaker 2: a real conversation across the table with folks with the
Speaker 2: Latino community as ranging as it is to talk about
Speaker 2: where exactly are we find in common calls?
Speaker 5: Because the trends aren't looking good here.
Speaker 3: I am so to restate Andrew's suggestions were define yourself
Speaker 3: first and then to find common cause. Tiff said coalition
Speaker 3: build in so many words, and just so y'all clear.
Speaker 3: If y'all have not read her book, you need too.
Speaker 1: She's consistent and if you didn't know about The Beat,
Speaker 1: which is an amazing publication that she put out online
Speaker 1: out of her own money when she needed to as well,
Speaker 1: she was very consistent about us becoming the rising majority
Speaker 1: that we know we can be one that is helpful
Speaker 1: in lifting communities of color rit large. My suggestion would
Speaker 1: be to not be, to not be, to be unafraid
Speaker 1: to think outside of the box. Sometimes what happens when
Speaker 1: things get stagnant, whether we're talking about relationships, or we're
Speaker 1: talking about schools, or we're talking about campaigns or what
Speaker 1: have you, people get very comfortable and safe with their approaches.
Speaker 1: This thing is always work, So why do we change it?
Speaker 1: Or we change it because we need to grow. And
Speaker 1: sometimes whatever you change may not result in a change
Speaker 1: that you like immediately, but it will eventually, and so
Speaker 1: don't be afraid to grow, don't be afraid to try
Speaker 1: something new, and don't shut people down automatically. Here their
Speaker 1: whole idea before you get to know. Sometimes there's a
Speaker 1: guest on the other side of that. No, So that
Speaker 1: is our show for today. This is Native Lampod. It's
Speaker 1: a mini pod. We hope you tune into all of
Speaker 1: our mini pods and we'd love to hear from you,
Speaker 1: our listeners, ore NLP fam on what you think we
Speaker 1: need to do to continue not only to grow audience,
Speaker 1: but to grow folks who are civically engaged in their communities.
Speaker 1: And overall, thanks so much. Welcome home, y'all. Native Lampod
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