1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media. 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 2: Well come, Welcome, Well come, well come, welcome, Welcome. 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: So, as you all know, the election is right around 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: the corner, and we are talking today about where we 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: should go and how we grow and build audience and 7 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: build coalition around showing up the Native Land Pod and 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: welcoming more people home. So today we're going to dive 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: right into it. 10 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 3: Welcome home, y'all. 11 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: I am Angela Raie with Tiffany Cross and Andrew gillim. Y'all, 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 1: we got a lot to talk about around this, and 13 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: probably it might may end up in a fierce debate. 14 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: Sometimes we end up in debate. So my question for 15 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: you all is you know we have Andrew is not 16 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: here or did we lose him for what? 17 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 4: Are you okay? So part of our challenge here on 18 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 4: Native Land is that Andrew. 19 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: Now he's talking on you. Andrew, get off. 20 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 4: Of this is what happened. I just want y'all to 21 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 4: know this is ongoing. I'm pretty sure he did it 22 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 4: on purpose. 23 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: I think at this dabra bish. 24 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: So my question for you you know what I want 25 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: to go to first, Andrew, This is a great question 26 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: for you. You are one of the greatest campaigners I've 27 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: ever seen, and so as we build a campaign, build 28 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: a ground game for our podcast where we are hoping 29 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: to engage people beyond just listeners, but really being a 30 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: part of our home, being a part of native Land, 31 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: being a part of this safe space, and engaging politically, 32 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: I think overall, we really would desire to see people 33 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: show up participation overall in the political process. What is 34 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: the best way to shore up not just support for 35 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: the podcast and grow the audience, but to grow that 36 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: base of concerned citizens that are engaged, that participate, that 37 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: participate on the show, send in their questions, et cetera, 38 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: et cetera. What do you think is the best way 39 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: for us to do that? 40 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: Well, thank you for the question, Executive producer Rye. And 41 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: in seriousness, I would just say, I don't assume that 42 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: they are not already extremely engaged, responsive and involved in 43 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 2: the show, because I can't tell y'all how many folks did. 44 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: I mean, you know what, you see it too when 45 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: we're out moving and then when I think about what 46 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: these individuals do in their real. 47 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 5: Lives, they're like carrying the you know, they're carrying the globe. 48 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: So I think one, I don't know how we rate 49 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: this or how we rank it or get a determination 50 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: of it. I would be willing to bet we probably 51 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: have amongst our listeners some of the most responsive, active, 52 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: engaged in owning like ownership sort of feeling. So I 53 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: think that's probably one of our assets when I think 54 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: about growth for us, I think white liberals want to 55 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 2: find and probably would find home in this show, if 56 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: for no other reason, to be the fly on the 57 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: wall who then gets to go back in their circles 58 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 2: of diversity where that exists, or we're in there very 59 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: non diverse circles and talk with some believed authority or 60 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: perceived or heard or listened into perspective about what black 61 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: folks who are interested in culture and politics are thinking 62 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: doing and by way of sort of keeping a pulse 63 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: on the community. And I don't I'm not offended by that. 64 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 2: I actually invite I like that that happens. In fact, 65 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: I would say since we aired the first question we 66 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: got from a white viewer, brother from I mean, young 67 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: man from Atlanta, we've now seen more white viewers submit 68 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: questions because they're you know, maybe they made the assumption 69 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: that this couldn't be a home for them and that 70 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: they were to you know, just eavesdrop. 71 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 5: But I think by doing that. 72 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: And invited them in, and I just think there's a 73 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: huge growth opportunity amongst white liberals who want to follow 74 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: the right instruction, which is, don't assume what I think, 75 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: don't you know, take don't assume we see this thing 76 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: the same way, have a seat, take a listen, and 77 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: if there's something growth or gain, you give them that. Cool. 78 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 4: Well, I think Angela is asking the question because a 79 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 4: part of it is, you know, growing our audience. So 80 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 4: I hear you, Andrew, I'm definitely a fan. I think 81 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 4: you know, we all probably on some level take to 82 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 4: Fred Hampton approach to coalition building. I think though, it 83 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 4: is a difference between campaigning and growing an audience. And 84 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 4: they're cousins not sisters, right, There is definitely a vent 85 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 4: diagram where these things overlap. Like I think with a campaign, 86 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 4: there's a call to action, we want you to vote 87 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 4: on this day for this issue. I think when it 88 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 4: comes to growing an audience, we're saying we want you 89 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 4: to come back every week with all the things that 90 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 4: are pulling at your attention. We are offering you something 91 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 4: so valuable. We're asking for your time to come back 92 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 4: every week after week after week and not only do that, 93 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 4: but tell other people to come back week after week 94 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 4: and like and review and share our content and all that. 95 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 4: So I think when it comes to that brand of things, 96 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 4: we'd be interested in hearing from you guys at home 97 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 4: where you'd like to see us, because the thing is, 98 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 4: we may pop up in places that you don't always 99 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 4: like and that you don't always agree with. And I 100 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 4: think this is where there are points of disagreement among 101 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 4: the three of us. And I do want to point 102 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 4: out we read y'all comments. We you know, see all 103 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 4: the things y'all are saying, and I appreciate that. The 104 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 4: audience Angela Andrew, I'll share with you guys that they 105 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 4: really love the disagreement among the three of us because 106 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 4: we never get to have nuanced anywhere else. You know, 107 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 4: if we were all on a cable news panel, all 108 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 4: three of us will mostly agree and that would be that. 109 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 4: But we are so much more complicated than that, you know, 110 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 4: we have so many more like diversity of opinion among 111 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 4: us and different life experience and different professional experience. So 112 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 4: I really appreciate that we offer that space for you 113 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 4: all at home, the same way that we allow for 114 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 4: each other. So I think are maybe our points of 115 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 4: disagreement right here. When we talked about convincing last week, 116 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 4: and I'm saying I'm not a convincer, I don't necessarily Angela. 117 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 4: You correct me if I'm wrong, But I know I 118 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 4: don't want to go on Fox News. I don't find 119 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 4: that to be a good use of my time. I 120 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 4: think what's valuable to me is telling people who are 121 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 4: receptive and align, like, let's build that audience first. I'm 122 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 4: not going to the dissenters first. I'm going to the 123 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 4: people who agree first, and let's have a ground swelling there. 124 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 4: I don't know that I necessarily want to sit with 125 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 4: people routinely who I have an ideological difference with. But 126 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 4: you you operate in a lot of spaces. 127 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 5: So what are your thoughts about where we should go, 128 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 5: what we should do. 129 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: You know what I like about this pod, this mini 130 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: pod for us, is it's actually very instructive to other 131 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: podcasts who may be trying to wrestle with the same thing. 132 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: Like you know, it feels like you kind of hit 133 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: a plateau with your audience. It's the same people are 134 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: coming back every week. We're not talking about those folks 135 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: who already in the know. They may be what they 136 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: call political junkies or politicals, they're already into this type 137 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: of content. And so how do you reach people who 138 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: maybe to your your last point tip, the two points 139 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: you raised were receptive and aligned. There are folks who 140 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: in order to be receptive and aligned, they first have 141 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: to know about it. And I think there's still a 142 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: really large gulf of folks who don't know about it. 143 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: When even in my professional development program, when some of 144 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: the young people come in, they don't know about the 145 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: podcast yet. And so to me, some of the things 146 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: that you do in those moments. Okay, now, I think 147 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: Andrew actually might be frozen. 148 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: Neil. 149 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: I thought he was bound his head in prayer, or 150 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: maybe he was sleep taking a nap until he remarks again. 151 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: But I think the thing that I was gonna say was, 152 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: I think that we deserve, we owe ourselves a tour, 153 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: especially right now we are saying how much democracy is 154 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: on the line and all that's at stake, Well, how 155 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: are we demonstrating all that's at stake if we're just 156 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: in the studio every week. So what happens if we, 157 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: you know, hit the pavement. We're at FAMU and we're 158 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: at spill House Homecoming, and we're in Detroit, and we're 159 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: in Philly or you know, all of these places that 160 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: we're currently finalizing the dates for. And then who do 161 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: we show up with as a collaboration because they are 162 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: the folks that you already listen to, whether they're business 163 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: leaders or other podcasts or elected officials that you really respect. 164 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: What should we do in that respect? And I think 165 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: there the world to me is really open because I 166 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: don't know how we grow by talking in an echo chamber. 167 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: I've never been interested in that. It's more exciting to 168 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: me to hear, Like That's what I actually love about 169 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: our disagreements too. I get mad that we don't all agree, 170 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: but also I appreciate that we don't all agree. Yeah, 171 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: because their perspectives and lived experiences that y'all have that 172 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: I don't. I think, to me, what makes the idea 173 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: of getting out of the studio dynamic to me is 174 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: the opportunity to hear from perspectives we would never hear 175 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: if we don't, you know, And it's beyond your Thanksgiving 176 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: dinner table or your Christmas you know, dinner table. You're 177 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: talking to people who you may not hear from. They 178 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: would never even have the opportunity to share space with you. 179 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 4: That to me a what if Sean Hannity invites us 180 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 4: to co host a podcast with him? Just one, just 181 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 4: one day, not like ongoing, but like, let's do this 182 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 4: one time. 183 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: I'm open to that. And the reason I'm open to 184 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: that is because I think that I believe people can 185 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: be convinced. As dumb as that may be, as altruistic, I. 186 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 4: Think people can be convinced. Do you think Sean Hannity 187 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 4: viewers can be convinced. 188 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: I'm not sure because I don't know who his viewers are. 189 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: I think that his viewership may be large and diverse. 190 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: I think there are some people that watch the show 191 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: to see what he's spewing, just so they can go 192 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: back to the people that I know that watch Fox. 193 00:09:58,760 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 4: Because I don't. 194 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: I don't talk to a lo out of MAGA voters. 195 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: Can you imagine why not? I don't really talk to them. 196 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: But the folks who I know who watch Fox are like, 197 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: I just want to hear what the right is saying today. 198 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: So I think there are some of those folks that 199 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: could be convinced to be like, oh, I didn't know 200 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: that Tiff and Andrew and Angela had a podcast. Let 201 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 1: me check it out at least once. I think that's 202 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: a possibility, and I also think that it would make 203 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: for interesting content. Our viewers are used to us dissenting, 204 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 1: but not dissenting on things that move black people forward, 205 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: like they don't. They're not used to us debating the 206 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: end goal of moving us forward. They're used to us 207 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: debating how we move forward. And I think having a 208 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: conversation with someone who's just like, forget y'all, I don't 209 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: care if you move forward or not drownbish is something 210 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: completely different. 211 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 4: Well, I want to tell you I do know the 212 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 4: Sean Hannity viewers, because I think any of us who 213 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 4: have ever worked in television, you look at the ratings, 214 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 4: you look at you know, Nielsen, and look at the 215 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 4: breakdown of the demographics, and their viewers are not actually 216 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 4: very diverse. And the people who are watching just out 217 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 4: of curiosity, you not comprise. I think I don't know 218 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 4: it on top of my head, so I'd hate to 219 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 4: give it, but I think it's something like ninety three 220 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 4: percent white and conservative, but I don't you know, you 221 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 4: guys can fact check me on that. But when you 222 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 4: look at the numbers of who is actually watching, it 223 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 4: is not a very diverse coalition. So honestly, my perspective 224 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 4: is I don't want to spend my time talking to 225 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 4: those people. I would rather talk to people who feel 226 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 4: a bit lost in politics. You know, like maybe they're 227 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 4: not political junkies, but they have curiosity about it, and 228 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 4: maybe they feel like everyone kind of talks over their head, 229 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 4: maybe people are just talking at them, they don't feel 230 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 4: included in the conversation. Like, those are the people I'd 231 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 4: rather talk to. I like that intersection of people who 232 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 4: can have a passionate debate about you know, Kendrick Lamar 233 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 4: and j Cole and Drake, and also have a passionate 234 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 4: debate about our foreign policy and also have a passionate 235 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 4: debate about political and economic systems, and also have a 236 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 4: passionate debate about brown v Board and did it? So, 237 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 4: you know, and I think there are enough people out there. 238 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 4: I know, when I get in a cab, taxi drivers 239 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 4: have opinions. You know, at the barbershop, folks have opinions 240 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 4: in the group chats. Folks have opinions. People watching a 241 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 4: basketball game have opinions. I want those people to start 242 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 4: tuning in. I don't necessarily want to go after Sean 243 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 4: Hannity viewers or dissenters first, you know, we grow a 244 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 4: coalition of people who are, you know, somewhat receptive to 245 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 4: our message, then I would look at outsiders. But right 246 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 4: now I'd rather go after people who are receptive to us. 247 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 4: That would be my thought. Andrew, are you frozen or 248 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 4: what is going on over there? 249 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 5: No, I'm listening. 250 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 2: I'm genuinely listening to you all and trying to I 251 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 2: was your first set of comments after I mentioned. 252 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 5: Sort of liberal whites. I thought I may have misunderstood 253 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 5: the question. 254 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 2: So I'll just I'll say again, and maybe a little 255 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: hopefully clear that I don't think we ought to do 256 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 2: anything stylistically different, show up as individuals who we are 257 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 2: not repping perspectives that are not ours. I think the 258 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: sauce is right. I think, however, that there are communities 259 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: who ideologically agree with us, but may not share our 260 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 2: skin color or lived experience, who are authentically and genuinely curious. 261 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 5: About and want to do the right things about learning more. 262 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: During the in the wake of of sort of the 263 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 2: summer of the Awakening, during COVID, after obviously the the 264 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 2: murder of George Floyd, you had a lot of black 265 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 2: thought leaders saying I'm not here to teach you, is 266 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 2: not my job to I don't take responsibility for your 267 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: education on this. 268 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 5: You do the work. 269 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 2: And my problem with that lot of thinking was I 270 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 2: was thinking, god Ley, well do where does that begin? Well, 271 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: then they start reading our books and start showing up 272 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 2: at more of our lectures and so on and so forth. 273 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: But if you genuinely just want to know folks better, 274 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 2: and maybe you're in a place where you don't get 275 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: to interact with a lot of us, there's not a 276 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: lot of us there, maybe not a lot of us 277 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: at your job or where you worship. 278 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 5: Where would folks be able to tune in? 279 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 2: And I just my thoughts around an area of growth 280 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: is in a white liberal space, not for politics, not 281 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 2: because I'm running. 282 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 5: For office, but because I think that there is a sincere, 283 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 5: genuine interest and allyship potential. And I think I issue 284 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 5: is just them getting to know it, getting to hear it. 285 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 5: I don't think we have I. 286 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: Think we show up as who we are, bring who 287 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: we are and knowing that we were out here and 288 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: and and I think that's supposed to take care of itself. 289 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: But it's not for politics, it's not for any other reason. 290 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 5: Then I think it's a growth. 291 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know what Andrew is over 292 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 4: there doing. 293 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 5: I'm for y'all, my computer is slow, so you're showing 294 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 5: up something. 295 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 4: Oh he is delayed. Yeah, yeah, he's having I think 296 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 4: it's probably the storm. 297 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: Dang, even in Tally. 298 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, this is I'm sorry, it's I know it's 299 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: frustrating for y'all, and it's doubly frustrating for me. Uh 300 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 2: the problem, And I think you're probably right it is. 301 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 2: It's it's all. 302 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 5: I mean, it's ominous looking outside. 303 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 2: Uh so it could be the weather that's. 304 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 5: Changing on on on my. 305 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 2: Side, but I will I will say there are in 306 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: San Francisco and Orange County, in everywhere America, these clubs, 307 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 2: in organizations that meet week to week hundreds of folks 308 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: who are interested in politics, culture, mostly all white audiences, 309 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 2: who we wouldn't be necessarily a fight with over what 310 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 2: their positions may be on This is at in the third, 311 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: but I guarantee you they would be learning immensely from 312 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 2: where we stand and where each of us individually view things, 313 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 2: and I would submit we would be in for a 314 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: learning on how it is they see the world. I 315 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 2: talked about the white Lotus incident where I listened to 316 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 2: this white lady say, oh, you got to be careful, 317 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 2: And even if we don't have sympathy for that, it 318 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: doesn't hurt to hear it. So you at least have 319 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 2: some sense of where some other people may be coming 320 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 2: from in that way and responding. We might respond with 321 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: the right kind of tactics and words and tools that 322 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: they can then hear us. So a homecoming is going 323 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: to be great. I love the HBCU homecoming. And in 324 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: addition to that, on ninety second and why a pomp 325 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: a North Palm Beach club that's what it's called, that 326 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 2: meets every other week or once a month. Those are 327 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: also very very rich, well literally rich, but also rich 328 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 2: environments where I think we would go and it wouldn't 329 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 2: necessarily be a hostile, but it certainly would be a 330 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 2: learning because, as you said, we don't want to speak 331 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: to the It shouldn't be about necessarily talking to the 332 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 2: choir every week, although yeah, the choir needs a lift 333 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 2: every week too, probably, But we also have acquired that's 334 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,479 Speaker 2: a lot larger than I think we've conceived of, and 335 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 2: there are a lot of ways to get to them 336 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 2: so that they know we exist. 337 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's kind of my point, because 338 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 4: I got to be honest. I'm not necessarily like, please, 339 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 4: white liberals come listen to us. You know, it's like, yeah, 340 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 4: everybody's welcome. But I would think, you know, by twenty 341 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 4: forty four, there will be no racial majority. I think, 342 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 4: you know, the API community fast is growing demographic out there. 343 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 4: Welcome home, y'all. Latino community for the first time, ellips, 344 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 4: black folks in terms of eligible voters, not registered voters, 345 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 4: Welcome home, y'all. The Indigenous community, who rarely has a 346 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 4: platform or a voice, Welcome home y'all. You know, Arab voices, 347 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 4: Muslim voices, you know, who don't get a lot of 348 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 4: reception or attention, Welcome home, y'all. So I would welcome 349 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 4: some coalitions of people to this platform. I mean, that's 350 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 4: definitely a way to grow audiences. But also my people, 351 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 4: you know, there are so many types of black folks 352 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 4: across this country who feel ignored, unheard, discarded, and disregarded. 353 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 4: I want those folks to be aware. I don't think 354 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 4: our numbers are large enough yet that we have to 355 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 4: be so eager to go outside the community and beg 356 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 4: for listeners. Although we welcome everybody, but I would love 357 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,479 Speaker 4: for us to tap in to young folks, you know, 358 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 4: who are developing their worldview, our peers who don't have 359 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 4: a place to go, you know, people who find legacy 360 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 4: media tired and boring and does not reflecting their voices. 361 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 4: So look, I think, yeah, we might land in some 362 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 4: spaces that some of y'all don't agree with, And there 363 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 4: are platforms that some of y'all, you know, might find 364 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 4: they all might disagree with. Then y'all don't like the 365 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 4: things that are said on some of these platforms, but 366 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 4: you might see us on some of these platforms, and 367 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 4: I don't I just don't want us in gaining new followers. 368 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,959 Speaker 4: I don't want our existing audience to think that we 369 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 4: are taking a different direction or abandoning them. We're gonna 370 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 4: stay consistent, but we might pop up some places to 371 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 4: welcome home new folks, if that makes sense exactly. 372 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, part of the way we 373 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: welcome home new folks is to ensure that they even 374 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,959 Speaker 1: know that we exist, and that means, you know, making 375 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: democracy and politics, democratizing access to processes, and making sure 376 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: that folks feel comfortable engaging. So that may mean, you know, 377 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: we become a little more pedestrian. We collab with some 378 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: folks that have an affinity towards making their material their 379 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: podcast very accessible to their listenership, the folks who view them, etc. Andrew, 380 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: I know you were about to say something. 381 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 5: I just wanted to quickly say, what power is. 382 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 2: My thinking around building audience is also that we have 383 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 2: to get laws, systems, structures changed, and how do we 384 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 2: educate and equit people with what it is that they need. 385 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,239 Speaker 2: And by the way, the lessons on how we do 386 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: that don't need to necessarily change because of the complexion 387 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 2: of the persons who is on the listening side. They 388 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 2: just need to know and also need to hear the 389 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 2: best ways in which we can go about getting the 390 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 2: change that we want. Nobody wants to talk into the ether. 391 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 2: I want to see systems leveled in some cases and 392 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: in other cases reimagined, and in other cases built because 393 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 2: nobody ever considered that before. And unfortunately, at least where 394 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 2: I live in Florida, where black folks are eleven percent 395 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: of the population, we can't do that by ourselves exactly. 396 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: And that's the point, right, Like we're what we're talking 397 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: about is not abandoning our base, is talking about growing 398 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: our base, constituency building, coalition building, and growing audience. So 399 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: this has been great. Hopefully we can offer some more tactics. 400 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: TIF if you have a tactic to leave folks with 401 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: who are growing their own podcast listenerships or campaigning or 402 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: you know, whatever else they're doing out there to grow, 403 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: what would you offer one tactic? 404 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 4: I always offer that Fred Hamton approach. I think, you know, 405 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 4: coalition building. A lot of people when on my show 406 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 4: on when I have to show on MSNBC, people say 407 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 4: why are you including them? They're white adjacent or why 408 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 4: you including them and like focus on us, and I 409 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 4: just disagree with that, Like I love black folks, don't 410 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 4: like I guess so tired of people trying to you know, 411 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 4: who suggest that about any of us. You are listening 412 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 4: to three people every week who passionately love black folks 413 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 4: and we all live in service to equality and liberation 414 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 4: of black people, because when that happens, everybody wins. But 415 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 4: we've always had allies in this fight in America, and 416 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 4: those allies look like Latino people, look like members from 417 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 4: the Api community, look like members from the Indigenous community, 418 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 4: look like members from the white folks from white communities, 419 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 4: look like poor white populations, look like Arab voices and 420 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 4: Muslim voices and all the things that I referenced earlier. 421 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 4: So my tactic is that sometimes our values aligned where 422 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 4: our skin color does not. And you know we I 423 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 4: just don't want to take the oppressor's tools and start 424 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 4: hating each other and looking if you got this, then 425 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 4: that means my community isn't getting that, and we fighting 426 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 4: over breadcrumbs while the wealthy white men are looking at us, 427 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 4: laughing and dabbing the corners that are my So my 428 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 4: tactic is, let's not let them weaponize our communities against 429 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 4: each other. 430 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: And then, Andrew, when you think about a tactic, a 431 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: single tactic that folks who are growing an audience or 432 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: growing a base, struggling with coalition building, what was the 433 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: tactic you would offer them? 434 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 2: One? I just say, define yourself first so that you 435 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: don't get out there not knowing who you are, and 436 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 2: then you're building an audience and recontorting yourself to then 437 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: contain that audience based off of where you say, say 438 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: what you want to say, do what you want to do, 439 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 2: move the way you want to move. 440 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 5: And I promise you. 441 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 2: There's an audience out there who will find you. And 442 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 2: I think if I were talking about trying to find 443 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 2: common cause, would I would team up with folks who 444 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: have the kind of audience and the following with whom 445 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: you would like to then grow as a part of 446 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 2: your constituency. And even if y'all aren't philosophically exact that 447 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 2: maybe have a rich enough conversation that folks are like, man, 448 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 2: I'd actually like to come back and hear a little 449 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: bit more than that. And I'm going to say this 450 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 2: selfishly for in Florida, where you know, I take exception 451 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 2: with the issue that black folks and brown folks have 452 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 2: found largely common cause because that hasn't been as a 453 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 2: local or a person who's going to state righte my 454 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 2: own experience. So I'd love to see us do you know, 455 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 2: a real conversation across the table with folks with the 456 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 2: Latino community as ranging as it is to talk about 457 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 2: where exactly are we find in common calls? 458 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 5: Because the trends aren't looking good here. 459 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 3: I am so to restate Andrew's suggestions were define yourself 460 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 3: first and then to find common cause. Tiff said coalition 461 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 3: build in so many words, and just so y'all clear. 462 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 3: If y'all have not read her book, you need too. 463 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: She's consistent and if you didn't know about The Beat, 464 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: which is an amazing publication that she put out online 465 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: out of her own money when she needed to as well, 466 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: she was very consistent about us becoming the rising majority 467 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: that we know we can be one that is helpful 468 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: in lifting communities of color rit large. My suggestion would 469 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: be to not be, to not be, to be unafraid 470 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: to think outside of the box. Sometimes what happens when 471 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: things get stagnant, whether we're talking about relationships, or we're 472 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: talking about schools, or we're talking about campaigns or what 473 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: have you, people get very comfortable and safe with their approaches. 474 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: This thing is always work, So why do we change it? 475 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: Or we change it because we need to grow. And 476 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: sometimes whatever you change may not result in a change 477 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: that you like immediately, but it will eventually, and so 478 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: don't be afraid to grow, don't be afraid to try 479 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: something new, and don't shut people down automatically. Here their 480 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 1: whole idea before you get to know. Sometimes there's a 481 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: guest on the other side of that. No, So that 482 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: is our show for today. This is Native Lampod. It's 483 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: a mini pod. We hope you tune into all of 484 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: our mini pods and we'd love to hear from you, 485 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: our listeners, ore NLP fam on what you think we 486 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: need to do to continue not only to grow audience, 487 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: but to grow folks who are civically engaged in their communities. 488 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: And overall, thanks so much. Welcome home, y'all. 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