1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: On this episode of The Newtsworld. On Tuesday, I testified 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: in front of the House Judiciary Committee for their hearing 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: on judicial overreach and constitutional limits in the federal courts, 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: and I wanted to talk about the committee hearing and 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: Congressman Daryl A's proposed bill, the No Rogue Rulings Act, 6 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: which would limit the power of district judges to impose 7 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: nationwide injunctions like the one from Judge James Boseberg that 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: barred the Trump administration from using the Alien Enemies Act 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: to deport Venezuela and illegal immigrants. I'm really pleased to 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: welcome my guest, who was also with us and is 11 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: a member of the Judicial Committee Congress, and Russell Frye, 12 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: representing South Carolina's seventh Congressional district. Russell, welcome and thank 13 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: you for joining me the Newtsworld. 14 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: Mister speaker, thanks for having me. It's an honor to 15 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: be here. Sir. 16 00:00:58,320 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: I'm really curious, you know, we spent five and a 17 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: half hours in that hearing. What was your general reaction, well. 18 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: Two reactions. One, I thought the testimony that you and 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: the other witnesses gave was really compelling on both the 20 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: history of the courts, and while we're seeing this emergence 21 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: of nationwide injunction that has really grown since President Trump. 22 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,279 Speaker 2: And then, of course, the other big thing that stands 23 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: out to me is the total inability of the Democrats 24 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 2: to even acknowledge the subject matter for which we were there. 25 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 2: They're talking about Elon Musk, they're talking about President Trump, 26 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: they're talking about everything else under the sun, but the 27 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 2: actual subject. And I think that seems to be kind 28 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: of their playbook right now is to not deal with 29 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 2: the subject in front of you. 30 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: They really couldn't deal directly with the issue. As you know, 31 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: there was a recent Harvard Law Review article which said 32 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: that there's been a sharp rise in the number of 33 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: nationwide injunctions in the first Trump administration as compared to 34 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: either George W. Bush, Obama, or Biden. These last six 35 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: weeks have set an all time record for district judges 36 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: thinking they were an alternative president. The twenty twenty four 37 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: Harvard Law Review publication found that there were six injunctions 38 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: led under former President Bush, twelve under former President Obama, 39 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: sixty four in Trump's first term, and fourteen during former 40 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: President Biden's first three years in office. In fact, of 41 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: the sixty four nationwide injunctions against Trump's policy, only five 42 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 1: were issued by judges appointed by a Republican, leading ninety 43 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: two percent of injunctions issued by a judge appointed by 44 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: a Democrat. So the district judge is in a district, 45 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: and yet they're presuming that they can now issue an 46 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: injunction across the entire country. And this has become what 47 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: I described yesterday as the potential to be a judicial 48 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: coup d'etal where they're literally usurping the president's role. As 49 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: of April first this year, there are one hundred and 50 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: sixty two court cases against the Trump administration that involve 51 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: seventy different executive orders. What's your t about what's going on? 52 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: It's a total bastardization of the federal rules of civil procedure. 53 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: We are ignoring class actions right. There is a way 54 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: in which to certify if a lawyer wants to do that. 55 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: Judges are superseding that. It is bad for the Supreme Court, 56 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: which is the supreme court of all courts, that you're 57 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 2: taking their authority and instead of having nine justices have 58 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: a nationwide rule in a court opinion that they would issue, 59 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: you have one judge in a federal district court that 60 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: is now superseding that absent some sort of successful appeal. 61 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 2: It is a complete violation of our separation of powers. 62 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: And I think you hit on this. You have three 63 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 2: co equal branches of government, but under this rubric you 64 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: have a bunch of black robe oligarchs who are superseding 65 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: the will of the American people vis a vis their 66 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: election of Donald Trump as president. Two, and probably really 67 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: interesting is since the nineteen sixties the dramatic rise, particularly 68 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 2: under President Trump, of nationwide injunctions that you have not 69 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: seen this legal phenomenon until the sixties, But even when 70 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: you did, as you highlighted, just now, you've seen eight 71 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: to ten per president. You have two thirds of all 72 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: nationwide injunctions being levied under one president in the modern era. 73 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: That's alarming. And so what we have here is an 74 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: absolute case of forum and venue shopping, where you pick 75 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 2: the lawyer who's favorable to your case, You identify the 76 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,559 Speaker 2: district court where you think you could have a successful case, 77 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 2: you find your plaintiff in that district, and then you 78 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 2: sue the president and try to stop his agenda. This 79 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: is complete law fare. The Democrats have been doing it 80 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: for a very long time, but they have absolutely ramped 81 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: up their efforts under the second Trump administration. 82 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: Once again, I always really struck that the Democrats counter 83 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: argument is that there's all of these nationwide injunctions because 84 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: Trump is overreaching his power. In fact, Representative Jamie Raskin, 85 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: who you know, is the ranking Democrat on the committee, 86 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: posted on x quote if Trump and Musk have suffered 87 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: an unprecedented a number of judicial injunctions, it is because 88 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: they have committed an unprecedented number of illegal actions. We 89 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: don't have rogue district judges. We have a rogue president 90 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: violating the Constitution and breaking the law every day. I mean, 91 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: what is your reaction to Raskin's argument? 92 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 2: To respond to mister Raskin, the American people elected Donald 93 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: Trump to do exactly what he said that he was 94 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,679 Speaker 2: going to do. He is doing exactly what he said 95 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: that he was going to do. He is going about 96 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: the will of the people. And you have federal district 97 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 2: court judges who are creating law from the bench rather 98 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 2: than ruling on cases and controversies before them. That is 99 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: what the Constitution requires, is that there must be an 100 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 2: actual case in front of you. And so that if 101 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: Speaker Gingrich was in front of say, Judge Fry's court, 102 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: I can only rule on Speaker Gingrich's case and not 103 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: similarly situated plaintiffs all across the country. We absolutely see this, 104 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: and the numbers don't lie. And when you have two 105 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: thirds of all nationwide injunctions coming under one president in 106 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 2: the modern era, it's remarkably horrendous legislating from the bench 107 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: that you've seen when you were speaker, But we also 108 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: see it even more now under President Trump. 109 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: These lawyers are basically just appointed lawyers, and they're arrogating 110 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: to themselves that they're an alternative president, and in fact 111 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: they're superior to the president. I think there are six 112 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty seven district court judges. Imagine every single 113 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: one of them decided they would take a piece of 114 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: the federal government and they would be dominant, and the 115 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: president had to obey them. I don't think you can 116 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: have six hundred alternaty presidents. 117 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,239 Speaker 2: No, and even to get their speaker these judges. Certainly, 118 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 2: we've talked about Rule twenty three as it pertains to 119 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: class actions earlier, but Rule sixty five, where if you're 120 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: going to issue an injunction. You're also supposed to secure 121 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 2: a bond, which is presumably to help relieve the aggrieved 122 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 2: party if the efforts of an injunction are not successful. 123 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: These judges are not even following their own guidance and 124 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: their own rules when they're issuing these injunctions. And you're 125 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 2: exactly right. The nation and the Constitution does not contemplate 126 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: six hundred and six executives of the federal government. It 127 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: contemplates one president of the United States. And something that 128 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 2: I think was brought out a little bit too, but 129 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: I want to highlight is the judges have always been 130 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: if you look at prior opinions, they've always been very 131 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: hesitant to engage in issues of national security. And the 132 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: reason why they do that, if you read these opinions, 133 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: is that they're not in the position of understanding or 134 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: seeing sensitive information, classified information. They recognize aptly that they 135 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: are not the commander in chief, and so they're always 136 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: hesitant to engage in cases where the president is exercising 137 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: his commander in chief authority, except with President Trump, which 138 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: you've seen with Judge Boseburg and these Venezuelan flights. 139 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: Not only did he say they could not deport Venezuela 140 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: and criminals. But he then said, by the way, turn 141 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: around the airplane and bring them back. It was an 142 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: act of such I thought egregious overkill on his part. 143 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: I'm amazed that he hasn't already been in some way sanctioned. 144 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: But you know, Speaker Johnson suggested during a press conference 145 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: the Congress could eliminate an entire district court or eliminate 146 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: funding for certain courts. Let me quote him. He said, 147 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: we do have authority over the federal courts. We can 148 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: eliminate an entire district court. We have power of funding 149 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: over the courts and all these other things. But desperate 150 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: times call for desperate measures, and Congress is going to act. 151 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: What's your response to that analysis, Well, I. 152 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: Think we've seen this before in history, right where Thomas 153 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: Jefferson comes in and removes and creates new courts because 154 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: John Adams tried to stack the courts, and so we 155 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 2: absolutely do. This is where we have three coequal branches 156 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: of government, each operate as a check. One of the 157 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 2: checks that we have is the power of the purse. 158 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: The other is the law in the jurisdiction in which 159 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: we could extend to federal district courts, maybe strengthening the 160 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 2: bond requirement or enforcing that. And of course the courts 161 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 2: can police themselves. The Chief Justice is not without tools 162 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 2: in his toolbox to reign in the judiciary. He has 163 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: not done that. He rather, I think the statement that 164 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: he released talked about the appellate process and that if 165 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: you don't like the opinion, then you could go the 166 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: traditional appeals route. Certainly that's the case, no one disputes that. 167 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 2: But the Chief Justice also has the ability to go 168 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: in and supersede his district court judges and rein them 169 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: in on what kinds of cases that they can take, 170 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 2: the mechanisms and the procedure and the process in which 171 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: they're going to undertake. These are things that are at 172 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: his disposal, but he has not done that. 173 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: I started my testimony the Judiciary Committee by citing twelve names, 174 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: Richard Bassett, Hagbert Benson, Benjamin Born, William Griffith, Samuel Hitchcock, 175 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: Philip Barton, Kay Jeremiah Smith, George Keith Taylor, Oliver Wilcart Junior, WILLIAMS. McClung, 176 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: Charles McGill, and WILLIAMS. Tillman. And I did that because 177 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: these were actual sitting judges. A very sophisticated lawyer, it 178 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: said to me, well, Jefferson may have abolished those courts, 179 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: but they must have been empty because of the lifetime 180 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: appointment rule. But the Jeffersonians came back and said, no, no, 181 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: you only have a lifetime appointment if there's a court. 182 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: So we're not going to try to impeach you. That's 183 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: too complicated, too difficult. We're just going to eliminate the court. 184 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: And therefore, by definition, you don't have any place to 185 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: go to work. And it turns out every single one 186 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: of them went on to find a different job because 187 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: in fact, they quit being paid. I mean, it's an 188 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: amazing act. 189 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 2: It's a remarkable time in history. And I think it 190 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 2: just highlights too the dysfunction that the other side raises 191 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: right now, that this is not an attack necessarily on 192 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 2: the judiciary. This is an attack on the abuse and 193 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 2: the steps that they're taking that are much broader than 194 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: they've ever taken before. History shows us the way, and 195 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: there are a lot of things that the Congress has 196 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: at their disposal to reign these courts in likewise, the 197 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: judiciary can reign itself in well. Absent congressional bills or legislation, 198 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 2: and absent congressional action, they can do this themselves. 199 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: Seven years ago, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas one quote, 200 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: I am skeptical the district courts of the authority to 201 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: enter universal injunctions. These injunctions did not emerge until a 202 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: century and a half after the founding, and they appear 203 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: to be inconsistent with long standing limits on equitable relief 204 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: in the power of Article three courts. If they're popular 205 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: to continues, this Court must address their legality. Is he right? 206 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: I think absolutely, And I think Elena Kagan, you know, 207 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 2: a liberal on the Court, has been very critical of 208 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 2: nationwide injunctions, and so I think the Justice has recognized 209 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: the problem that we have. I think the American people 210 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: see it on full display every single day when President 211 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 2: Trump is impeded and his agenda is impeded by these 212 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: district court level judges where plaintiffs are forum shopping. So 213 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: everybody sees what is going on except the Democrats, and 214 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 2: quite frankly, I think they see it too, they just 215 00:11:58,320 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 2: don't want to talk about it. 216 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: I hope that the Chief Justice will in fact take steps, 217 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: but if they don't Congress and Ice introduce the No 218 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: Rogue Rulings Act, which seeks to limit the power of 219 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: district courts issue nationwide injunctions. Do you think it's important 220 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: to pass this? 221 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 2: I do, and I think in any Congress. Really, as 222 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 2: you've talked about when we've talked about today, with the 223 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: increasing amount of nationwide injunctions, there's got to be some 224 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 2: curtailment of judicial authority when it comes to issuing these, 225 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: that if you're going to do them, that it might 226 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: be a three judge panel instead of a single district 227 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: court judge. That if you're going to do them, that 228 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: you would strengthen the bond requirements so that you actually 229 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: have to put up a bond to secure the injunction. 230 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 2: These are all common sense things regulating the Administrative Procedures 231 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: Act that is a key component of what Democrats have 232 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 2: been doing against the President as well. So raining these 233 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: abuses in and streamlining the process I think makes for 234 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 2: a healthier court. It also restores confidence that the Court 235 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: is being truly independent and an arbiter of justice and 236 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 2: facts and the law, and not a political tool of 237 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 2: the Democrats to achieve a result that they could not 238 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 2: achieve through an election. 239 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: It's very interesting because, in addition to what Congress and 240 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: Ice is doing, in the House, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman 241 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: Chuck Grassley has introduced the Judicial Relief Clarification Act, we 242 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: should also limit judicial rulings to the parties involved and 243 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: make injunctions against the government immediately appealable. Do you see 244 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: these two bills as being comparable. 245 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 2: I do. I mean, there's some minor differences. I think 246 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 2: those are reconcilable between the two chambers. The big thing is, 247 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 2: I think is you talked about the appellate process, which 248 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 2: is huge that even if an injunction is wrong, good 249 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 2: luck getting in front of an appellate quarter. Then if 250 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 2: you get a temporary restraining order that's fourteen days, it 251 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 2: rolls into an injunction and then you're at that particular 252 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 2: point you're allowed to get an appeal, but it doesn't 253 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 2: happen overnight. So fast tracking that is huge. And so 254 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 2: it seems to me that both chambers, while the bills 255 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: are a little bit different, they have the same mindset, 256 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: which is we have to rein in the out of 257 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: control district court judges. 258 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: If you already have one hundred and sixty two court 259 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: cases against the Trump administration. How could the Supreme Court 260 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: ever hear all the appeals? 261 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 2: They don't have the bandwidth, right, They don't have the 262 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 2: bandwidth in which to do that. So some things, even 263 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 2: the most egregious abuses of judicial power, might be overlooked 264 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 2: because there are other things that you have to work on. 265 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 2: You remember this as a speaker. There's a lot of 266 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 2: good policies and proposals that people put into bills, but 267 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: there's only so much bandwidth that a Congress can take 268 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: at any one time. The same thing goes with the courts. 269 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: In that context, How concerned are you that if we 270 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: don't fix this, that in fact, we have an enormous 271 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: transfer of power to the courts in away from the 272 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: elected officials. 273 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 2: It's remarkably alarming that we need to restore the balance 274 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 2: of power between the three branches of government. There is 275 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: no point and the President might as well pack his 276 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 2: bags and go home, and the Congress too, if it's 277 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: just going to be judges that are making the rules 278 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 2: for all of us to live under. So we've got 279 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 2: to rain this in. Butngress has an obligation to do that. 280 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: We're doing that both in the House, and Senator Grassly 281 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 2: in the Senate, and the courts equally have an obligation 282 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 2: to reign in these practices. Do justices understand what's going on? 283 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 2: You've had criticisms of nationwide injunctions from judges on the 284 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: right and the left. People see it for what it is, 285 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: and so the courts absolutely should engage in this space 286 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 2: too and police themselves. And it is probably the quicker 287 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 2: way if the courts do this on their own without 288 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: us in the Congress having to go legislate what they 289 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 2: should be doing. 290 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: So, if the Chief Justice wanted to preempt all this legislation, 291 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: how does the system work at that level? 292 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 2: Well, I think the Chief Justice, as the chief administrative 293 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: officer for the judiciary, can issue rules and rulings and 294 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: edicts if you will, on how these things transpire. That 295 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 2: if a judge is going to issue a nationwide injunction, 296 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: that they cannot overlook Rule sixty five of the Federal 297 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 2: Rules of Civil Procedure as it pertains to the bond. 298 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: That if a judge is going to issue anationwide injunction, 299 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: that they must do so with a panel of judges. 300 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: I think the Chief Justice actually has a lot of 301 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 2: tools in his toolbox to do this on his own. 302 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 2: What we would also do through legislation. 303 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: Just to clarify for most of us who are not lawyers, 304 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: the importance of the bond issue is, in order to 305 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: file this claim, you have to put up a large 306 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: enough bond that if you lose the case, the bond 307 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: then pays for the legal expenses of the person who 308 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: you tried to get an adjunction against. So if a 309 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: district court tuddition injunction in a case that had a bond, 310 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: but that injunction was then turned around by the Supreme 311 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: Court and eliminated, then the person who filed the claim 312 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: would actually lose the money to pay for the defendant. 313 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: Is that correct. 314 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: That's correct. It's exactly correct. And the purpose of the 315 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: bond is to secure the rights. Then if your injunction 316 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: is ruled and valid by a higher court, that that 317 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: person is now compensated for having been tied up in 318 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 2: court for so long, meant as a protectionary measure against 319 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 2: somebody who an injunction is levied against. And so these 320 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 2: are common sense things I think the Chief Justice could do, 321 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: but which he's not yet done. 322 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: In those kind of circumstances, you'd have a lot fewer 323 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: of these ideologically driven lawsuits. I think ninety two percent 324 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: of the nationwide injunctions against Trump came from Democratic judges, 325 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: from an activist on the left. This is just a 326 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: free hunting pass. But if they had to actually post 327 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: a bond, he was suddenly could become a very expensive project. 328 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: Correct. And you know how most of these things go. 329 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 2: The plaintiffs are plaintiffs, but their entire litigation is funded 330 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 2: by some third party group, right, which is also why 331 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 2: we probably need third party funding legislation and laws in 332 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 2: federal courts to show who's funding these things, who's behind 333 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 2: the lawyers who are making the case. So you find 334 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 2: a friendly plaintiff, you find a friendly jurisdiction, you put 335 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 2: up the money, and you go, like you said, try 336 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: to get a free shot. And if the judge is 337 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: an enforcing rule sixties, as it pertains to the bond, 338 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 2: that you really have a free shot. There's nothing that 339 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: compels you to think about your actions before you take them, 340 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 2: that you truly have a friendly judge and a friendly jurisdiction. 341 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 2: And more often than not, as the evidence suggests, you're 342 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 2: getting these nationwide injunctions where you otherwise couldn't afford to 343 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 2: do so, or that legally would be disputable in other 344 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 2: jurisdictions around the country. 345 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: At the present time. If you're a left wing activist 346 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: and you find a friendly judge, you just go in 347 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,239 Speaker 1: and say, but harmed or that this is unconstitutional, you 348 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: file it. There's no risk to you at all. You 349 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: tie up the government and trying to fight over this. 350 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: The judge issues an injunction blocking the Trump administration from 351 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: doing the things that it got elected to do, and 352 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: it's essentially a happy hunting season with no consequence. 353 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 2: Correct. The Constitution is very clear the courts are there 354 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: to hear cases and controversies before them, that they're not 355 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 2: supposed to supersede some nationwide policy that if Speaker Gingrich 356 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 2: goes before the court, the court is only ruling on 357 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: Speaker Gingrich's case. They're not ruling on mine and other 358 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 2: peoples who might be similarly situated. They're ruling on what's 359 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 2: right in front of them. So that's the danger of 360 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 2: nationwide injunctions is that you're by default creating a class 361 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 2: action for people who are not even in front of 362 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 2: you before the court, where you have not weighed their 363 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 2: particular evidence where you have not heard the government's argument 364 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 2: maybe for or against their individual cases. And so that's 365 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 2: the risk. The biggest nationwide injunction is the Supreme Court. 366 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 2: That's the stop gap that if cases elevate themselves all 367 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 2: the way there, that the Supreme Court can come in 368 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 2: and weigh in. But you're basically neutering the Supreme Court 369 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 2: completely and putting in one district court judge that supersedes 370 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 2: the power of the Supreme Court. They're coming in first, 371 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 2: and if you're successful, maybe in an appeal, maybe you 372 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: might get in front of the Supreme Court, but most 373 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 2: cases never make it that far. 374 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: Well, a totally different topic for a second. You represent 375 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: South Carolina. When you go back home, what are folks 376 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: telling you? Do they think that the Trump is moving 377 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: in the right direction? Are they think that there's real 378 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: change happening? Or what kind of feedback do you get 379 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: when you visit back home? 380 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 2: Well, I guess it depends, right. I Mean, if you're 381 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: a liberal, you're absolutely incensed and you're mad, you're furious. 382 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 2: But most people that I talk to, people who study 383 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 2: politics or history, or maybe just your average guy or lady, 384 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 2: they're thrilled with what's going on. They like the shakeup 385 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: of the Washington establishment. They like that the president is 386 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 2: doing what he said that he was going to do. 387 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: They are thrilled that he is enforcing the laws that 388 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 2: we have on the books as it pertains to illegal immigration. 389 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 2: They are thrilled that the president is holding other countries 390 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 2: accountable for their actions and how they're taking advantage of 391 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: the United States. They are beyond thrilled on the president's 392 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 2: dances as it pertains to taxes, in everything that he 393 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: is doing. So certainly the conservatives are happy, but I 394 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 2: would also say that your average American who might watch 395 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 2: the news once a week, they're very happy with what 396 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 2: is going on. I see them in the airport, I 397 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 2: see them in the streets when I do a festival 398 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 2: in the district. They're really pleased with what's going on 399 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,239 Speaker 2: in our nation's capital. Common sense is back. They see it, 400 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 2: they feel it, and they're excited about it. 401 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: Do you enjoy the process of being a congressman? 402 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: I do. I mean, it's frustrating like everybody else. I mean, 403 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: I'm sure you recognize this. There's immense power in what 404 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: you do, But you look at that building every day 405 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 2: that you work in and you're just in awe that 406 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 2: I get to work in this building, that this is 407 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 2: the symbol of the free world, that we are a 408 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 2: nation of laws, that we are three coequal branches of government, 409 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 2: That a population in South Carolina along the coast and 410 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 2: the PD regions of our state elected me to represent 411 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: and be their voice in the Congress. And so even 412 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 2: when I'm frustrated, I think about that mission. I think 413 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 2: about the importance of this moment on the country, on 414 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: the future of the country, and I'm excited about it. 415 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 2: I'm optimistic about our future, and I know that we 416 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 2: can get the job done. 417 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: Does it strike you but this are one of the 418 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: things I think the public least understands that if you 419 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: fly into Washington, you go to work, you work four 420 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: or five days, you fly home, and you immediately continue 421 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: going to work. I mean, it's not like you have 422 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: a weekend off because you go to town hall meetings, 423 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: you meet with people, you listen to constituents. My experience 424 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: was that it's a very hard, time consuming job and 425 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: you've got to be really dedicated to doing you is 426 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: that sort of what you experience? 427 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I kind of joke about this, speaker, and 428 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: you'll appreciate this. You know, even as a freshman congressman 429 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 2: last Congress, and this is my second term, I said, 430 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 2: my gosh, I work more than the President of the 431 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 2: United States, right, I mean the President of the United 432 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 2: States is in the office four hours a day and 433 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 2: it sleeps presumably twenty and here I am at sixteen hours, 434 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 2: seventeen hours in a day. And then when you're home, 435 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 2: you're not sitting around your house. You're out in the community. 436 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 2: You're meeting with local leaders, You're talking to job creators 437 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 2: in the district. You're trying to understand what's happening, what 438 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 2: the federal impact is on the local level, so that 439 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 2: you can do your job when you're back in Washington. 440 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 2: It's incredibly time consuming. 441 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: The good You clearly worked harder than Joe Biden. I'm 442 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: not quite sure you work harder than Donald Trump. 443 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 2: No, I don't think any of us do. 444 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: I think that may be almost impossible. 445 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 2: That's true, That's very true. 446 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: Don't you find us really exciting to be part of this? 447 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 2: I do. I think the mission is great, the weight 448 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: of the moment is very powerful. That we have a 449 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: very big job in front of us. We've got to 450 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: get together and do our work in past the president's agenda, 451 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 2: support the president, and that if we do that, then 452 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 2: that's not just favorable maybe for the next election, but 453 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 2: that's going to set this country up for the next generation. 454 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 2: And that's why you served, and that's why I serve today. 455 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: I've been very impressed at having been Speaker and having 456 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: served in the House for twenty years, watching Mike Johnson 457 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: grow into this job. He was a back centure basically 458 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes later a speaker. We never had the kind 459 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: of narrow majority you guys have had, and I think 460 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: it's been fascinating to watch almost the entire team, not 461 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: quite one hundred percent, but almost really begin to be 462 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: a team to work together to get things done as 463 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,479 Speaker 1: a majority rather than in the minority. You can have 464 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: lots of negatives because you're not gonna get anything done anyway, 465 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: but if you're the majority, you've really got to pass stuff. 466 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: And the size margins you've had, which of course went 467 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: up by two when we picked up those two special 468 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: elections in Florida. Yes, sir, don't you feel that there's 469 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: a much greater team spirit than there was six months ago. 470 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 2: I do, and I think that the Congress has certainly 471 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 2: seems to have healed old divisions, that things that plagued 472 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 2: us from a division standpoint are not as existent. And 473 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 2: I think we all want to drive the present's agenda. 474 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,479 Speaker 2: We know that despite our differences amongst Republicans, that we 475 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 2: are much more alike than the other side of the aisle, 476 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 2: and that if we're going to succeed, that we have 477 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 2: no other choice but to stick together. That if a 478 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: bill comes to the floor, it might not be my 479 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,719 Speaker 2: perfect version or your perfect version, but it is an 480 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 2: infinitely superior version than what the other side would propose. 481 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 2: And I think people recognize that both the conservatives and 482 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 2: the moderates in the Congress, and you're starting to see 483 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 2: very early signs of in a spree de corps, if 484 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 2: you will, amongst Republicans, and that we're driving an agenda 485 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: despite the fact that we have the narrowest majority in 486 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 2: the modern era. 487 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: Well, I'm very proud of all of you. I think 488 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: you're doing a remarkable job. Russell. I want to thank 489 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: you for joining me today. I want to let our 490 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: listeners know they can find out more about the work 491 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: you are doing for South Carolina seventh Congressional District by 492 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: visiting your website at fryand dot House dot gov. And 493 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you taking this time. 494 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 2: Thank you, speaker, what a tremendous honor to be with 495 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 2: you today. Appreciate your testimony and look forward to seeing 496 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 2: you again. 497 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: Thank you to my guests, Congress and Russell Fry. 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