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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.

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Speaker 2: Everyone, welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have so many

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Speaker 2: stories to cover for you guys this week. On today's episode,

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Speaker 2: we're going to start off with the viral photos that

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Speaker 2: have been circulating on social media showing can join twins

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Speaker 2: Abby and Brittany that were seen with a newborn baby

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Speaker 2: last week. Authlready started releasing crime scene photos from the

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Speaker 2: Idaho College students' murders, and we're going to get into

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Speaker 2: these photos themselves, but we're also going to talk about

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Speaker 2: their family's reaction to it, a freak accident that involved

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Speaker 2: an unusual rescue on the playground, and the latest up

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Speaker 2: to date information that has been all over the news

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Speaker 2: this week about a baby who is allegedly kidnapped from

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Speaker 2: a parking lot. And then we'll get into some medical stories,

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Speaker 2: talking about one woman's rare condition that caused her breast

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Speaker 2: to grow enormous within a short period of time, and

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about why Amish people have significantly less allergies

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Speaker 2: than the rest of the population. We'll finish up with

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Speaker 2: a really cool story about a woman who kept a

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Speaker 2: very unusual keepsake after her husband's death. All that and

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Speaker 2: more on today's episode, Let's get started with Abby and Britney.

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Speaker 2: So last March we had talked about how Abby and

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Speaker 2: Britzy Hansel, who are probably the most famous example of

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Speaker 2: modern can join twins. It came out that Abby married

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Speaker 2: her longtime boyfriend in twenty twenty one, and now Abby

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Speaker 2: and Brittany have been seen carrying a newborn while out

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Speaker 2: running errand So I think the biggest question everybody has

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Speaker 2: Was it via IVF? Did they have Asaragi? Is the

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Speaker 1: What's going on here?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but God, everybody is so curious. Obviously.

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Speaker 2: I know that from the beginning, We've talked about this

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Speaker 2: before on this show too, that Abby and Brittany have

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Speaker 2: their lives on TV right, So we know, just based

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Speaker 2: on what their mother has said from the time that

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Speaker 2: they were children, that they were capable of having a child.

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Speaker 2: They had one single reproductive system, but it appeared to

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Speaker 2: So in my opinion, I think that they probably got

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Speaker 2: a surrogate only because they She put out some kind

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Speaker 2: putting out a teaser that said just married and a

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Speaker 2: upon how I feel like the paparazzi kind of follow them,

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Speaker 2: I think unless they just have been in their house

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Speaker 2: for the past couple of months and just really were

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Speaker 2: able to hide it. But they are fifth grade teachers

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Speaker 2: time believing that if they were pregnant and visibly showing

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Speaker 1: I yeah, I understand what you're saying. But also they

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Speaker 2: But I guess that's not something on your stomach unless

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Speaker 1: Unless the people in their lives really respect their privacy,

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Speaker 1: I mean, they should be left alone. This picture was

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Speaker 2: No, it's actually happened before, like back in the day,

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Speaker 2: in the early nineteen hundreds, conjoined twins had a baby,

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Speaker 2: There's not a lot of documentation on it, obviously because

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Speaker 2: So when the one twin got pregnant on the one

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Speaker 2: And I think Princess Kate had that right, So one

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Speaker 1: It is cool. Like is their condition considered a genetic

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Speaker 2: Now it's it's the same as twins. It's just the

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Speaker 2: if they're sharing the same circulatory system and immune system

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Speaker 2: And the other didn't. It's it's just kind of interesting.

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Speaker 2: But from from Abby and Britney's perspective, I'm just I'm

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Speaker 2: so they're two separate people that share a part of

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Speaker 2: So they're considered to be separate a lot of different entities.

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Speaker 2: But they're a teacher and they only get one salary.

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Speaker 1: But I believe when they went to college they had

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Speaker 2: But then as a which I think that this is

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Speaker 1: But I just feel like it's a special circumstance, and like, really,

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Speaker 1: if you want to be fair, they should get two

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but but maybe it gives a shit they should

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Speaker 2: I'm not paying a double salary if I only need one.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, if you want to think of it as

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Speaker 2: Teaching, yeah, I'm sure they do, because think about that,

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Speaker 2: like having to one of they obviously they have two

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Speaker 2: But that's why so many people are so interested in it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely all right. So Brian eatn A News Nation

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Speaker 2: They could be absolutely triggering to people. Of course, like

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Speaker 2: But like I don't like that shouldn't supersede how the

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Speaker 1: I don't think those were the bodies in the photo.

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Speaker 2: They are, it's the rooms where they were found. I

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Speaker 1: But if you look at all of the photos collectively,

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Speaker 2: Because like there's some blood stain on the floor after

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Speaker 1: Like I'm saying, that's what I think is mostly blurred

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Speaker 1: out is stuff like that in personal articles, not their

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Speaker 2: Well, but I'm just saying, when you look at that,

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Speaker 2: Like do you why does the photo of their last scene,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you just you just have to think about it,

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Speaker 1: just it's just like I honestly like when they came out,

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Speaker 1: Connor's autopsy reports. Do you understand, like it's just weird

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Speaker 1: Do you think it was an oversight, like somebody did

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I just I don't know

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Speaker 1: It just like things need to be reevaluated. But well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if a regular person can request those documents.

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Speaker 2: That's why when they hand it to everyone on a platter,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they just put.

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Speaker 2: The link and we're like, hey, anybody want these, here

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Speaker 1: I don't know they're so basically they're expected to go

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Speaker 2: This case is so weird.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just very.

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Speaker 2: Weird, Like you know how at first it was just like, oh,

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Speaker 2: He could appeal this that there's like a lot of

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Speaker 2: just it's just very unusual to see something like this,

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Speaker 2: How about the Watts family. We heard the horrible way

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Speaker 1: So over the weekend, a forty year old man went

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Speaker 2: I could see why the fire department would want to

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Speaker 2: know he was having difficulty breathing, and how to get

438
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 2: air to him while they were rescuing because it took

439
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 2: a half hour. That's great, what the and even pictures

440
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: from them from the outside of the slide approaching how

441
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 2: to remove this patient or victim, whatever you want to

442
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: call him, is fine. My problem is they show pictures

443
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 2: of the slide open with the guy with visible tattoos.

444
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 2: In a very small town, everybody knows who this guy is.

445
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 2: That it could be embarrassing, right It like for a

446
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 2: person to for a like a guy might laugh about it,

447
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 2: but at the same time, like it's kind of embarrassing.

448
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 2: And then so I was talking to Gabe about it

449
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 2: this morning because I'm like, I understand. Let's say, for example,

450
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: in the hospital, if a person shows up and has

451
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 2: like a dildo stuck in their butt and a nurse

452
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 2: from across the room took a picture of it and

453
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 2: the guy had a tattoo and you were easily able

454
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 2: to tell who it was, that nurse would be fired

455
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 2: in two seconds for a hip of violation, right, because

456
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 2: it's an identifying factor. It's like posting someone's face or

457
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: a body part that you could tell it's them, which

458
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 2: almost getting back to the Idaho thing, that their bedroom,

459
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 2: in my opinion, is an identifying factor in a sense,

460
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But regardless, so you see

461
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: this picture of this guy in this small town on

462
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 2: this Facebook page with his visible tattoo that identifies him.

463
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 2: What are the rules as far as firefighters go of

464
00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 2: hippo violations because it's not considered under that same umbrella.

465
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: And Gabe actually said to me, he's like, you know what,

466
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: I had the same as act feeling. I don't think

467
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 2: they needed to post anywhere near nineteen pictures for that extrication,

468
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 2: and they could have just put one or two of

469
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 2: the outside of the slide if they wanted to show

470
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 2: people how they approached it. And he also thought there

471
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 2: was absolutely no reason there was pictures of the actual

472
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 2: guy being shown. It just was like, it's not necessary

473
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: if you're trying to teach firefighters how to do something.

474
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 1: Basically no, because like you said, it could have been

475
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: summed up in one to two photos of them showing

476
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: how to dismantle the slide if they wanted to do

477
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: it for educational purposes, right, But you didn't need to

478
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: have a whole nineteen photo slideshow. That's just completely unnecessary.

479
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: And yeah, if they're if they feel they need to

480
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: post the person in the photo to accurately represent what

481
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 1: they were doing, they should at least blur out any

482
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: identifiable traits like that.

483
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 2: It's just like I keep thinking about that, Like my

484
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: neighborhood itself, my town is pretty small, So if that

485
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 2: happened at our school, and like, let's say the same

486
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 2: exact situation happened, everybody on the Facebook page for my

487
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: town would be like, oh my god, who do you

488
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: think it was?

489
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: Who do you think it was?

490
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 2: And and like, dog, you could easily tell who it

491
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 2: is because everybody knows everyone in this town. Somebody knows somebody, right,

492
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: It's just like, I don't know it's and it it

493
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 2: to me. It's like, I'm sure this dad's kind of

494
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 2: embarrassed if you have to call the fire department because

495
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 2: you got stuck even having fun with your kids, it's embarrassing. Well,

496
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: of course it's embarrassing me, Like, I don't know, I

497
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: just it just reminded me of the I mean, it

498
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 2: just it was a good time to talk about the

499
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 2: photo situation. All right, let's move on to this next story,

500
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 2: which is really taking the Internet by storm because honestly,

501
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: it's just kind of really weird. This woman, Rebecca Harrow,

502
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: said she was at a local store to buy a

503
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 2: mouthguard for her stepson, and before going to the store,

504
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 2: she realized she needed to change her seven month old baby,

505
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: Emmanuel's diaper. So, according to the mother, he's changing the

506
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: diaper in the parking lot when suddenly she was attacked,

507
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 2: went unconscious and claims when she woke up, the boy

508
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 2: had been taken. So now police are saying her story

509
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 2: is inconsistent and her and her I don't know if

510
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 2: it's her husband, but her and the baby's father are

511
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 2: no longer cooperating with police.

512
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: Duh like it?

513
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: This is how many stories do we have like this?

514
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: It really is unfortunate, But the plot has thickened over

515
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: the past couple of days, so not cooperating with police.

516
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 2: So apparently this one of the women or one of

517
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 2: the employees that works at this store said that this

518
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: mother came in a couple days prior and asked if

519
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: there were cameras in the parking lot because she said

520
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 2: that her car had been robbed or something and she

521
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: wanted to know if there were cameras unbelievable. Wait, it

522
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 2: gets better. So this person that was working at the

523
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: store said that she had a bruise on her eye.

524
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: This was a couple days before she said someone punched

525
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 2: her in the face and stole her son. Now this

526
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 2: hasn't been reported on the news. This is just like

527
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: hearsay that I've been seeing on a couple of social

528
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 2: media reports. So it might not be one hundred percent accurate.

529
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: But as as a pa as somebody that knows bruises,

530
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: I could tell you as soon as I saw the bruise,

531
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: I was like, that bruise is a couple days old.

532
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 2: It is not. She did not just get this a

533
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 2: couple hours prior to having this press conference.

534
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: Well, you had also sent me something which is also

535
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: should be considered hearsay that a TikToker received a message

536
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: saying that a person had seen the mother and her

537
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: other child, a two year old, at the park the

538
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: night before this alleged kidnapping, and she also allegedly had

539
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: the black eye at the park as well. But again

540
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: this is internet claim, so we don't know if this is.

541
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I listen, any person that's ever

542
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: had a black eye for any reason. This is like

543
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: you don't even know. Have to be a medical person

544
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: you know what that looks like. Or you've had a

545
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: child that's had an accidental injury when the blood and

546
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: the bruise is usually right around where the ocular muscles are,

547
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: because that's where the vascular chure would rupture if someone

548
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 2: got punched in the eye, and it would look to

549
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: be like on your lower eyelid. Right as the days

550
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: go by and gravity takes over and the blood starts

551
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: clearing out of your system, it travels down your face,

552
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 2: and her blood is very low underneath of like the

553
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: hollows of her eyes, which would indicate to me that

554
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: that's not brand new. Do you see what I'm saying

555
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: when you look at it like so for me, I'm

556
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: just kind of like, yeah, there's more to the story.

557
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: You mentioned that you noticed that she had no tears

558
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: while she was crying.

559
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you watch the press conference when she's crying,

560
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: she has no tears, which is often pointed out in

561
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: high profile cases when people are crying. I just I

562
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: don't understand how you could act so hysterical and have

563
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: no tears. Sometimes I'll just be talking about a movie

564
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: I watched, and I start tearing up, like and I'm

565
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: not even upset about anything, it's just like having any

566
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: mild emotion. So I absolutely do not understand how she

567
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: doesn't have tears. I did not notice the baby's father

568
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: had tears when he was pleading for help as well.

569
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: That's very unusual to me.

570
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so let's let's talk about two different things

571
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: with the baby's father. Number one. Another thing during the

572
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: press conference is that both the father and the mother

573
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: were referring to the child as in past tense. He

574
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 2: was he was such a healthy boy, he was, he was.

575
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: Why the fuck would you say that if you think

576
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: your kid's alive, it's like a Freudian it is, or

577
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: it's just like you don't even notice it. But like

578
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 2: if you genuinely think, like if my kid goes to

579
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: the store and she doesn't come home in an hour,

580
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: I'm not calling police and saying she was so nice.

581
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened. Like, it's just it's just weird.

582
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: And there's lots of documented cases of crimes happening where

583
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: people do refer to someone in the past, and it's

584
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: very interesting, right.

585
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is interesting and The most glaringly problematic thing

586
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: in this guy's past is in twenty eighteen he was

587
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: arrested and pleaded guilty to willful cruelty to a child,

588
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: and in twenty twenty three was sends to one hundred

589
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: and eighty days in jail and forty eight months of probation.

590
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: And actually in a couple of weeks he's scheduled to

591
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: go in court for an alleged violation of this probation.

592
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: So what's going on here?

593
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: So I don't they have another child at the house

594
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: that's only two years old?

595
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the article we were referencing from has said

596
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: that they have removed the two year old from their

597
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: custody while this investigations be. I mean, they are clearly

598
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: the number one suspects right now, Okay, inconsistencies in the story.

599
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 1: They're refusing to take a polygraph test, they lawyered up

600
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: pretty quick, they're not crying in the press conference. I mean,

601
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: I just think we can't ignore all these signs.

602
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: So that kid, though, the two year old that's at

603
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: the house in theory was born in twenty and twenty three,

604
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: right or around right? So what who? What kid did

605
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 2: he beat in twenty and eighteen.

606
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: Well there's other kid. I think he has three other

607
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: kids from another person.

608
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: So let me let me read this to you too.

609
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of a lot of this stuff

610
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: that I that I see online isn't doesn't get collaborated

611
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: by news. But now we know that that these independent

612
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: reporters are finding things and putting them out there so fast.

613
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: But one of the stories that I've seen online was

614
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: a report from his twenty eighteen incident with a child

615
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: that said that his child was ten weeks old daughter

616
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: admitted to Hemmet Valley Hospital. Doctors reported to police that

617
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: the little girl had an acute fractured rib six ribs

618
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: were healing fractures, a skull, fractured brain, hemorrhage, swelling of

619
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: the neck, and a fractured leg bone that was healing.

620
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: The combination of the above findings in a pre mobile

621
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: infant in the absence of plausible history of significant trauma

622
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: to explain the injuries is indicative of abuse, head trauma,

623
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 2: physical abuse, and nutritional neglect.

624
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: What the fuck?

625
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: Like? What? Why? Exactly like? Why is this person allowed

626
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: to make more children? Now? Another thing that's really interesting too.

627
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: Besides the fact that the parents were talking in the

628
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: past tense. They were also saying he was such a

629
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: healthy boy.

630
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: Right.

631
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: If you look at photos of this kid, he doesn't

632
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,479
Speaker 2: really look I wouldn't say that he just looks like

633
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: a normal, healthy baby. They said that he had a

634
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: cross eye or a lazy eye. But there's something going

635
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: on with this kid. And I don't know if this

636
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 2: kid had a previous history of some kind of head

637
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: trauma or something. There just looks like something's going on

638
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: there right, a little bit more than just an eye

639
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: that is out of alignment, so to speak. Another interesting

640
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 2: thing is that they as the kidnapping, they submitted photos

641
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,479
Speaker 2: of the baby, and it's like they set in three

642
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: photos of this baby and they're not even like good pictures,

643
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: And you're just like, dude, if I go on my

644
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: phone right now, especially and I had my kids twelve

645
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 2: and ten years ago, I could probably find in the

646
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: course from zero to seven months old, literally thousands of

647
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: photos of them. Like you only have three pictures and

648
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: they're like blurry.

649
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: I can find ten photos of my friend Rachel's baby

650
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: who was born Saturday. By the way, congradulate these, but seriously,

651
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: this kid has been in this world for three days

652
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: and there's one hundred photos of her already. So these

653
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: people have had this baby for seven months and they

654
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: have three blurry photos. I don't know what's going on.

655
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 1: Obviously you're innocent, aal proven guilty, but it's not really

656
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: looking that great right now. They searched a home with

657
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: kidaver dogs didn't come up with anything. The most important

658
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: thing to note here is the baby is still missing.

659
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: They have no idea where this child is. I would

660
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 1: imagine this kid is not alive still.

661
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: So and then this is another problem that you're going

662
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: to face with a little tiny baby and during southern California, Yeah, right,

663
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 2: Like just if it's outside and the elements decomposing and

664
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: things like, you'll still be able to see if there

665
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: was a history of abuse for sure. And remember we

666
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 2: were even talking about his other child that he allegedly beat.

667
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 2: That the that the dog at the hospital saw healed

668
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: rib fractures, and you could tell not only by imaging,

669
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: but by looking at it grossly on a skeleton, examining

670
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: the bones if bones were broken, because when they heal back,

671
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: you could tell when they were broken, especially when they

672
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 2: weren't treated. So say, for example, a kid breaks their

673
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: arm and never goes to the hospital and gets it

674
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 2: cast and set. It's going to heal, like really crazy,

675
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: and it's apparent what happened. And that's why they note

676
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 2: in it, especially with the last charges he had that

677
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: the baby wasn't mobile, meaning not walking yet, because obviously

678
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: when children start walking, they fall down the steps and

679
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: they do like they get crazy injuries because they're clumsy

680
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: and they don't know that they're not supposed to go

681
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 2: close to the steps and things. And then those cases

682
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: when you see a child that's got broken limbs like that,

683
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 2: with the exception of being in a car accident, you're

684
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: just going to be like, this kid's getting beat because

685
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 2: how else would they get these injuries? They ten weeks old.

686
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: You can't even turn around sometimes, right, So it's it's

687
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: just it's unfortunate. But I think that we all know

688
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: where this is headed. And I think it's also possible

689
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: if you beat your kids, that you beat your wife,

690
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 2: and there's a possibility that she's covering for him.

691
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you don't know what's going on in

692
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: their relationship. Is she complicit in it or is she?

693
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 2: I mean she got a black eye, Someone give her

694
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: someone gave her a black eye. We know that's a fact.

695
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: It's on her face. Like, I don't know how she

696
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: got it, but it got there somehow, either by a

697
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: traumatic incident or someone punched her in the face.

698
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've just at this point and all

699
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: of this. You know, I'm reading all the comments, and

700
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: usually I don't, you know, engage with internet trolls or

701
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: back them at all. But the one comment I saw

702
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: repeatedly was this is Casey Anthony two point zero, and

703
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: I have to agree, it's looking like that that's the case.

704
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're that Susan Smith. That was another one where

705
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 2: the mom drove her remember she drove her kids into

706
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 2: a body of water and then said she was hijacked

707
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: and someone still their car. Yeah, Like it's it's like

708
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: I hate and I hate this. I hate that any

709
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: child has to grow up in that situation. It just

710
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: also brings up the question that we bring up all

711
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 2: the time, which is just kind of like if you

712
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: if you break a ten week old baby's ribs and

713
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: head trauma could be from shaking baby syndrome, which is

714
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: again something I wanted to bring up with this child's

715
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 2: unusual appearance of his eyes and his like you can't

716
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: tell from a video per se, but it just looks

717
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: like he's kind of dead behind the eyes. Like I

718
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: don't know. You know, you see a picture of a

719
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: baby and you could see their life glowing, and it's

720
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: just like there's something going on there with the kid, Yeah,

721
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: for sure, And you just think about, like how if

722
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: a person's capable of that in two thousand and eight,

723
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: and all he did was serve some time for it,

724
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 2: like what makes him not be capable of it again?

725
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: Or if the child was born with special needs, like

726
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: the additional stress that puts on a family.

727
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think this came up in our

728
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: YouTube live a couple of weeks ago when we were talking.

729
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: I feel like it was when we talked about that

730
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: pedophile that was able to have a child through a surrogate,

731
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: that maybe we need to get to a point in

732
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: society where when you get pregnant, whether it's natural or not,

733
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: you have to have a test to see if you're

734
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: like able to or not. I don't want to say able,

735
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: because I think of our situation a lot, with you

736
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: being so young, having me like that wouldn't have been fair,

737
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: and I ended up I think, okay for the boat,

738
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: smart questionable at times, but if you have a history

739
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: of abusing anybody, especially children, or you're a convicted pedophile,

740
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: you should not be allowed to keep us hires.

741
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 2: Actually like it exactly, Like I I'm always I'm always

742
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 2: against telling people they can't have kids, because then where

743
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 2: do you draw the line, Because obviously some people think

744
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: being born into my neighborhood is like poverty, you know,

745
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: like it depends on what level. If you live in

746
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: a house in Los Angeles, that's millions of dollars, Like

747
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 2: you're going to look down on people like us that

748
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: don't have money and think that we don't deserve to

749
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: have children either, And like but but like when a

750
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: child is going to get hurt or there's a likelihood

751
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 2: of that happening, and there's probably tons of studies done

752
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: of how many previous offenders then went on to have

753
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: more children and then beat those children too, that you

754
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: have to start talking about stuff like that, unfortunately, And

755
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 2: I just I hate where this case is going. And

756
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: another thing I wanted to bring up with this case

757
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 2: is like what is up with people? They like if

758
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 2: this is true that she went to the store ahead

759
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 2: of time and like tried to scope out if there

760
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: were cameras there, and her and her husband are sitting

761
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 2: there plotting, like how they're going to make up this lie.

762
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: Like are people just like really that dumb that they

763
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: think that they're going to be able to get away

764
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 2: with something like this?

765
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: Exactly? Like, let me tell you, when I worked at

766
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: the bar, right, nobody's asking about the cameras. So if

767
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: somebody all of a sudden asked about the cameras and

768
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 1: then a week later they're on the news because their

769
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: kids missing and it happened in the same parking lot, yeah,

770
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: I'd remember that interaction.

771
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: It's like exactly, like it's just a weird It's just weird.

772
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 2: And like we were, Marie and I were talking about

773
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: this yesterday, Like think about someone like Brian Coburger, Like

774
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: he had a master's degree and was in a doctorate

775
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: program for criminal justice, so he knew way more than

776
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 2: the average person about death investigation. And they were able

777
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 2: to catch him, and they luckily they had that gift

778
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: of the of the knife sheaf given to them, but

779
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 2: they have a lot of other evidence with the phone

780
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: taps and stuff. So we don't really know because we're

781
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: never going to experience this if they would have been

782
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: able to catch him without that. But regardless, he did

783
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: so much to cover his tracks with turning the phone

784
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: off and clearing out this and cleaning that and getting

785
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: his car like free of things that they really weren't

786
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: able to find a lot of stuff, but they still

787
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: were able to get him, and he's still in prison

788
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: right now for his crimes. These people are like Joe

789
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: Schmoe's off the street, Like they're saying that they didn't

790
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: even do an ambler alert because there was no there

791
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 2: was no car description given or a suspect given, like

792
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: a description like don't you think that the police were

793
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 2: going to be like, well, who was this? Who was

794
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: in the car? Like, well, I don't know, there's just

795
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: so much to the story that everybody's going to start

796
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 2: looking into. You didn't think that maybe they were gonna

797
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 2: be able to pull up your old records to see

798
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: that you beat a kid before.

799
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: And just because that store doesn't have surveillance doesn't mean

800
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: that surrounding stores don't. And they said they're actually looking

801
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: at a ton of surveillance they've acquired from the area.

802
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: Oh so they can track your steps all morning. I'm

803
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: sure one of their neighbors might even have a ring

804
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: camera or something where they could see if she loaded

805
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: the baby in the car or not.

806
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: There's also yeah, and there's just also other things like

807
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: they're going to be checking her cell phone locations, and like,

808
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: I mean, just do you watch our show? Do you

809
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: watch the news at all? Like do you have any

810
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 2: idea that they're not just gonna be like, oh shit,

811
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: some guy came up behind you and punched you in

812
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: the head and they took your baby. Okay, go home

813
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: with your kid and like live the rest of your

814
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: life out, Like what are people thinking?

815
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: Idiot?

816
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: They're just Another thing I want to mention too, is

817
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 2: that I know you're saying the mom doesn't have tears,

818
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: but I feel I felt like when she was like crying,

819
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: that she seemed to be genuinely like upset. I like

820
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: the there was just certain things. I'm not like a

821
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: behavioral expert, obviously, but just listening to her, she was

822
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: kind of hyperventilating and like.

823
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like you could argue, like you can argue

824
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 1: any way that she's acting like that. It's story one

825
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: this genuinely did happen to her. Story two, the husband

826
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: killed the baby and she knows that, but he has

827
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: threatened to kill her and the other kid too, So

828
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: she's like, I don't know what to do, so I'm

829
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,959
Speaker 1: just gonna lie because he told me to Story three,

830
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: she's involved in the whole thing. You really just don't know.

831
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know, Like I just I feel like,

832
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess the reason that I was bringing

833
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 2: up is because my personal opinion is that, like story

834
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: two is going to be the most likely thing that like,

835
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: she's a victim of abuse herself and is scared to

836
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: death for her other children and her self.

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Speaker 2: It's just like unbelievable. It's a vintage case. But you're like, okay,

856
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857
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,920
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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about this case that bigger is

864
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: not always better, totally.

865
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: Not in this case. This twenty five year old chick

866
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: went on social media. She said that she had a

867
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Speaker 1: petite body type with a thirty two A size chest.

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Speaker 1: So over the next couple of weeks, she started noticing redness,

869
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: pain itchiness when she wore bras, and before she knew it,

870
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: her boobs ended up growing to a thirty four g cup.

871
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 1: How is this possible?

872
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 2: So she has a condition that's called gigantomasty, and they

873
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 2: say that it's rare. They said there's only three hundred

874
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: cases of it a year. But I personally think, and

875
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: I bet you any pathology people that are listening to

876
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: me right now think that there's probably more cases of

877
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 2: it that haven't been just recorded, because in working in

878
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 2: surgical pathology, we get breast reductions often, and sometimes they

879
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,959
Speaker 2: are so so so big that you can't really think

880
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: that it's only three hundred cases a year, because you're like,

881
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 2: I've seen half of them at my hospital, you know

882
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's considered to be from a pathology standpoint,

883
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 2: anything that is bigger than two point five kilograms, which

884
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: is five and a half pounds of breast tissue. And

885
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that in like I said, in surgical pathology,

886
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: we would get ones that were that were so big

887
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: and five and a hal a half pounds is very heavy,

888
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 2: but I've seen a couple that were that big in

889
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: my career, so big that you would have to put

890
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: one on a scale at a time because it was

891
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: just so heavy. And one of the reasons. So when

892
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: you're working in surgical pathology, you weigh organs because organs

893
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 2: all have normal weights. Like a heart weighs a certain

894
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: amount should it should be two hundred and fifty to

895
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 2: three hundred grams in a woman. So if you get

896
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: a heart X plant on a woman and it's like

897
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: six hundred grams and we know it's heavy and that's

898
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 2: due to whatever pathology is going on with it, well,

899
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: we don't weigh everything. Like a colon, there's no point

900
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,439
Speaker 2: to weigh a colon because a colon can vary from

901
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 2: person to person. There's no normal weight for it, especially

902
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: because it's full of shit. So if like someone didn't

903
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: eat or someone was constipated, or colon would weigh so

904
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: much more than another person, so there's no weight for that.

905
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: Breasts you would say the same thing because they vary

906
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 2: so much, but we do waigh them because when they

907
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: have excessive breast tissue like this. Sometimes it's the difference

908
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 2: between health insurances paying for the surgery or not because technically,

909
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 2: like some women might want to get a breast reduction

910
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 2: because of for cosmetic reasons, but clearly in a case

911
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: like this where this petite framed woman had these boobs

912
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: that grew so big rapidly. She would have to get

913
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: it done because of the strain it was putting on

914
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: her muscular skeletal system. So it's important to waive them

915
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: in this case. And she was able to get surgery

916
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: and now she's the smallest she could go down to

917
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: was like a thirty four d or something, which is

918
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 2: still big.

919
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,439
Speaker 1: That's still big, especially if you were used to being

920
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: an a cup. I can't even imagine. But they had

921
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: cited other people this happened to in this article too,

922
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: and one girl said, instead of getting a breast reduction,

923
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: she decided to turn to OnlyFans. And she's making a

924
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: killing off of it.

925
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's making over three hundred and fifty dollars a year,

926
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 2: which is which is kind of I mean, uh, do

927
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: do you girl?

928
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: Do you like?

929
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 2: I personally wouldn't want them, just because I can't imagine

930
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 2: how bad your your back would hurt, you know, But

931
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 2: I guess so, we we know plenty of people that

932
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 2: get these rest reduction surgeries, and I guess the biggest

933
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: difference between normal hypertrophy of the breast tissue versus this

934
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 2: gigantomassia is that it grows so fast so quickly, and

935
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 2: they don't really know why, but it could be hormone

936
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 2: induced it. I have a case in the grocer room

937
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: actually where we talk about a woman that had it

938
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 2: door like dooring and after pregnancy, and she actually ended

939
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: up dying from it, which is outrageous, but it happened,

940
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: so so yeah, like it. I mean, it's a very

941
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 2: unfortunate thing to happen to someone, and it's a lot

942
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: of people would say, oh, like people are paying to

943
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 2: get their boobs bigger, but like they're is obviously a

944
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: time where it's too big and it's not better.

945
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: No, absolutely no. All right, So it seems like allergies

946
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: have been at an all time high. I mean, you

947
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: and I've certainly been dealing with that all weekend. It's

948
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: been brutal. But apparently one group of people has some

949
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: immunity to them.

950
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this this was such a cool article about

951
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: Amish people. We talk about Amish people's health often because

952
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 2: it's a very controlled group of people that live a

953
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 2: certain way, and when you look at them and compare

954
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 2: them to the normal population, they have sometimes they have

955
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 2: higher rates of health issues and other times they have

956
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 2: more oftentimes they have they seem to have a better

957
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 2: quality of life because they live healthier lives. So for example,

958
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: less documented cases of cancer, less documented cases of skin cancer,

959
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 2: despite the fact that they are working outside all day,

960
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: a lower rates of autism, things like that. So now

961
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: we're talking about allergies and asthma. So as far as

962
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: this particular paper goes, it said that fifty percent of

963
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: American kids have some form of allergies, and in the

964
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: Amish community only seven percent of kids have allergies. And

965
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 2: in America eight to ten percent of kids have asthma,

966
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 2: whereas Amish kids only two percent have asthma. So at

967
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: first they were like, okay, well cause you know, oftentimes,

968
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 2: and it's not always, but oftentimes Amish people marry Amish

969
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: people and have kids, so a lot of it is

970
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 2: like a kept in the family situation. So you obviously

971
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 2: would think like genetics in a situation like that. But

972
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 2: there's another farming group that they say has similar ancestry

973
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 2: and genetics called the Hutter Rights. Have you I've never

974
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 2: heard of that particular group.

975
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it didn't. It wasn't super familiar to me. I

976
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: feel like maybe I've heard about them before. But I

977
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: don't know as much culturally as we do about like

978
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: the Amish culture of the Mennonite culture, you know.

979
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: So apparently they have similar they do a lot of

980
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 2: the same similar things, except this is how they're trying

981
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 2: to figure out, like where these kids are able to

982
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 2: not have that many allergies. So one of the things

983
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 2: that they don't do is similar. Is Amish people from

984
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 2: the time they are little are in these barns with

985
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: their family working on these animals and helping, whereas with

986
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 2: the hutter Rights, those women that are pregnant don't go

987
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 2: in the barnes at all, and when they have children,

988
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: the children don't usually start helping until they're about twelve

989
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: years old. So that so they were like, okay, that's

990
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: a key difference, Like these kids, one kid, one set

991
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 2: of kids, Amish are being exposed to these barns from

992
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 2: the time their little kid, very young kids, and the

993
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: other the hutter rights are only being exposed to barnes

994
00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 2: over twelve years old. So they determined that then after

995
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 2: they started doing all these studies of testing dust in

996
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: Amish people's houses versus hutter rates and things like that,

997
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 2: and they found that there were all these additional microbes

998
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 2: in the dust for Amish people. And furthermore, they took

999
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 2: those types of microbes that were found in Amish dust

1000
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 2: and gave them to mice in studies to see what

1001
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 2: it was doing. And here it decreased respiratory inflammation and

1002
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 2: mice that were exposed to this Amish dust as opposed

1003
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 2: to the ones that weren't, which is super interesting. So

1004
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 2: I guess the whole point of this study is being like, okay, cause,

1005
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 2: like right now, for example, today, my nose is so

1006
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 2: swollen and inflamed and running out of my face, and

1007
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 2: then I look on the app and it's like, oh,

1008
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 2: the dust is really high around here, right, So I

1009
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,439
Speaker 2: take drugs to make that go away because my nose

1010
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 2: is so itchy. They're saying with this, if this is

1011
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 2: like an actual thing, that they'll be able to create

1012
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: some kind of probiotics or something to treat children when

1013
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 2: they're so young that they never even get the symptoms

1014
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: that have to be treated.

1015
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: I mean, this would be huge, especially for people like us.

1016
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: I mean, especially when I was a teenager and in

1017
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: my early twenties dealing with just seasonal allergies, I just

1018
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: felt like my face was swollen at all times, so

1019
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: thinking about something like this would be incredible, especially because

1020
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: the article pointed out that everything we have now is

1021
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: really to just manage allergy symptoms, not necessarily cure them.

1022
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: So if this is something that could be used to

1023
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 1: help out, especially people like us, I just can't even

1024
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: imagine how life changing this would be. Yeah, all right,

1025
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 1: let's move on to our last story. So, this woman's

1026
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: husband suddenly died earlier this year, and she chose a

1027
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: super cool way to honor him, which was by preserving

1028
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: his tattooed skin and framing it.

1029
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It is so cool. I saw this

1030
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 2: on I saw her post actually on Instagram, and I've

1031
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: heard about this for a while. Actually, one when I

1032
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 2: first started my blog before the Gross Room, that was

1033
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 2: called iHeart Autopsy, like fifteen years ago. This was one

1034
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 2: of the first things that I wrote about because Steve

1035
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 2: Tabiri gave me a book about a doctor in Japan

1036
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 2: who was seeing patients who had tattoos and was studying

1037
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: the moles on their tattoos, and during that research he

1038
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: discovered that syphilis healed on tattooed skin wouldn't recur there.

1039
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: So this fueled his interest into tattooed skin, and he

1040
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 2: was he started asking people, Hey, when you die, can

1041
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 2: you leave me your skin, And then it got to

1042
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 2: the point where he was telling people he would pay

1043
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 2: for them to get full body suits tattooed if they

1044
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 2: would promise they would give him the skin afterwards. So

1045
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 2: he has this insane collection that he had an insane

1046
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: collection of photos, but not important, most importantly the actual

1047
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 2: skin of people. And you ever see these, like Japanese

1048
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: tattooed body suits, They're like the coolest thing ever. If

1049
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 2: I could go back in time with naked skin, I

1050
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 2: would totally get this because I just love the way

1051
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 2: it looks so much. But it's essentially like the skin

1052
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 2: from in some cases all the way down to the

1053
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 2: elbows or wrist down to the knees or ankles of

1054
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 2: skin and including entire backskin, front skin. And unfortunately, so

1055
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 2: they still have these skins, but unfortunately they're not on

1056
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 2: display anywhere right now, but they're they're in Tokyo in

1057
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: some kind of a museum in the back room kind

1058
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 2: of If anybody knows anyone that works there, please let

1059
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 2: me know and I will be on the next flight out.

1060
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 2: But anyway, so it's been a thing like the Moodor

1061
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 2: Museum used to have a couple pieces of tattooed skin

1062
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 2: on display. So there's different ways that you could preserve it.

1063
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 2: You could do it wet so it stays in a jar,

1064
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 2: similar to like if you put i'll colon or a

1065
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: brain or something thing in a jar, and then you

1066
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: could do dry, which is what this woman has in

1067
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 2: a picture frame. So essentially, I don't know too much

1068
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 2: about the process, but I'm assuming it's like the same

1069
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 2: exact thing they do with Taxi Army, like tanning the skin,

1070
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: so it's like a piece of leather basically.

1071
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: So I guess this chick found out about it through

1072
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: Ripley's Believe it or not, and she was really interested

1073
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: in the process behind it, and her husband was this

1074
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: huge sports fan. So after his funeral, she marked off

1075
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: the tattoo she wanted, which was a Pittsburgh Steeler boo.

1076
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: Were Eagles people.

1077
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 2: I'm not, I don't care you're not, but whatever.

1078
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: But that's the tattoo she marked off, and then within

1079
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: ninety days the company sent it back to her and

1080
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: she has it now and it's super cool.

1081
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think they give specific instructions to the

1082
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 2: funeral directors on how to remove it and how to

1083
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 2: ship it to them, and you know, I am interested

1084
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: in their process for sure. But it is cool. It's expensive.

1085
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 2: Apparently it could cost any from like almost two thousand

1086
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 2: dollars to if you had a person that had like

1087
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 2: a full bodysuit. You're talking like a lot tens of

1088
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 2: thousands of dollars to remove it like that.

1089
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I that's expected because even when you

1090
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: look at urns and jewelry and stuff you could do

1091
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: with people's cream aines and stuff, they're everything's expensive in

1092
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: that world. You know.

1093
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 2: I remember companies like this, we're under fire a little

1094
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 2: bit at some point because there's like, of course this

1095
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 2: gray area of is this considered to be abuse of

1096
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 2: a corpse?

1097
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. Like in this case, it seemed

1098
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: like she had brought the idea up to her husband

1099
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: and he was super into it. So I don't know

1100
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: if it's like before you die you have to consent

1101
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: to it or what. Yeah, I'm not sure, but it's

1102
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: super interesting and it looks pretty cool, and it's a

1103
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: cool it's like definitely a unique and cool way to

1104
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: honor somebody. Yeah, it is all right, Let's move on

1105
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: to questions of the Day. Every Friday at that at

1106
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death Instagram account, you guys could head over

1107
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: to our story and ask us whatever you want. Could

1108
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: you catch HIV from a cadaver during an autopsy aka

1109
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: getting blood into a cut?

1110
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: In theory, you could, but the probability of that happening

1111
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 2: is very low because when the HIV virus hits the air,

1112
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: it becomes inactive very quickly. So I mean if you

1113
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 2: even studies done that show person cutting their finger fresh

1114
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 2: with a scalpel blade on an HIV person is not

1115
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 2: very high risk and I was never scared of I've

1116
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 2: done so many autopsies on people that had HIV positive

1117
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 2: and was never scared of that. I'm more scared for

1118
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 2: HEPSI because that one not only is it more transmissible

1119
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 2: at the time of autopsy, but it could live on

1120
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 2: countertops for a couple of weeks, like typically it doesn't

1121
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 2: maybe a couple of days. But think about this, like

1122
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 2: if you do an autopsy on a person that has

1123
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 2: hepsy on Monday, and then you use the same tools

1124
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: three days later and you cut yourself with it, you

1125
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 2: are at a risk of transmitting it to yourself still,

1126
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 2: Like obviously you're going to clean the tools with bleach

1127
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 2: after you do an autopsy and stuff, but I mean

1128
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 2: sometimes things get missed or whatever, and it just would

1129
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 2: increase the risk. So I think HEPSI is definitely more

1130
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 2: scary for people in autopsy than HIV.

1131
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: So if you do cut yourself by accident, do you

1132
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: have to just go get checked out or like that?

1133
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 2: Well? I did. I've been caught with hepsy cases plenty

1134
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 2: of times because every single time, you know, I have

1135
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 2: you know, either in surgical pathology or autopsy. We just

1136
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 2: had a really big population of hepsy patients because we

1137
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 2: had a big liver transplant. But they can't do anything

1138
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 2: for you. So you just have to go and document

1139
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 2: it and kind of go back and get blood work

1140
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 2: and they'll take your blood to see if you have

1141
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 2: hepsy or any antibodies for that, and then they'll check

1142
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 2: you again in a couple months, and it's just basically

1143
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 2: like let's see if it pops up. There's not much

1144
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 2: they could do about it. HIV you can take if

1145
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 2: you had a note exposure to HIV, you can take drugs,

1146
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 2: but they are pretty harsh on you. So that and

1147
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 2: a lot of people I know don't decide to do

1148
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 2: that just because the medications can be so harsh.

1149
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: All right too, When is SIDS listed as the cause

1150
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: of death in instances of unsafe sleep suffocations? Any research

1151
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: on safe sleep conditions preventing a true SID case?

1152
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. I personally, Like I've said this before

1153
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 2: on the show, that I don't really think SIDS is

1154
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 2: a thing. And it's definitely like I think that they

1155
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 2: use it because they just don't. They they can't otherwise

1156
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 2: explain it and they have to put something. I just

1157
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 2: I don't really think it's a true thing. That that

1158
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 2: just like a kid is just dropping dead for no

1159
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 2: apparent reason. And the reason that I say that is

1160
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 2: because there's so many things that have been documented over

1161
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 2: the years that say that there's increased risk in certain

1162
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 2: demographic socioeconomic conditions. For example, it's more likely to occur

1163
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 2: in a baby that was born to a mom of

1164
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 2: like a teenager as opposed to an older person. They're

1165
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 2: associated with co sleeping so much more that so like

1166
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 2: that increases the risk of this so much more. People

1167
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 2: that smoke during pregnancy is a big one there's just

1168
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 2: all these factors. They're more likely to occur in lower

1169
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 2: socioeconomic status than than a higher one. So if if

1170
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 2: they if it was a true thing, it would happen

1171
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 2: to a person living in a poorer city and a

1172
01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:00,439
Speaker 2: person living in a rich city, and like it would

1173
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 2: happen in this it would happen to that people that smoked,

1174
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 2: people that don't smoke, and stuff. So when you look

1175
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 2: at factors like that, you're like, okay, well that's that's

1176
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 2: that's what's causing SIDS. So a lot of people think

1177
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 2: that it's a combination of like there's some kind of

1178
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 2: underlying defect that they don't really know what it is yet,

1179
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 2: and then there's like this external thing on top of it,

1180
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 2: like co sleeping, and the two of them combined are

1181
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 2: what caused what's called sudden infant death syndrome. But sudden

1182
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 2: infant death syndrome is just a diagnosis of exclusion.

1183
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: All right, This last one's from our girl, Emma. She said, Maria,

1184
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 1: I need to know how was the MCR concert. It

1185
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: was the best night ever. I decided I was going

1186
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: to go to the New York show instead of the

1187
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: Philly show because they're playing with Thursday, who are also

1188
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: one of my favorite bands ever. They're playing with Death

1189
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: Cab for Cutie too, who I do like. But I

1190
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: also didn't necessarily need to see live. But that was

1191
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: also their hometown show, so I knew it was going

1192
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: to be so much better. I bought the tickets last November,

1193
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: so it was a really long time in between. But

1194
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: going up there was great. The weather was perfect. They

1195
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: had the best set lists I've seen so far. I'm

1196
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: actually really happy I didn't go to the Philly one

1197
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: because I did not like that set list in comparison

1198
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: to mine.

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Speaker 2: And also mL last night we were at the Phillies

1200
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 2: game and apparently their stage like ruined the grass of

1201
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 2: the Phillies field.

1202
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, the side note there was like a huge Bluebert

1203
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: was like, what is that on the grass? And it

1204
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: was clearly a whole outline of the stage from where

1205
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: they had put it last Friday night. I honestly would

1206
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 1: have seen them again, but when I checked tickets in

1207
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: the middle of the week, they were still going for

1208
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of dollars for a seat, and I'm like, well,

1209
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: I just saw them a couple of days ago. But

1210
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: they played for almost three hours. I thought it was great.

1211
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: Ricky had a really good time. I went with my

1212
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 1: high school friend Austin and his girlfriend as well, and

1213
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: we had a really great time. It was it was awesome.

1214
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen them since I think think the Black

1215
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: Parade originally came out years and years and years ago

1216
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: on that original tour, so it was like being a

1217
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: teenager all over again, and it was amazing. I couldn't

1218
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: have asked for a better experience. And I don't really

1219
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: go to concerts like that anymore, and I don't ever

1220
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: really want to, and I could not wait until this happened.

1221
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: And I had zero complaints. I thought it was incredible.

1222
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: But to all her sat me with.

1223
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 2: She set me a picture and I was like, you

1224
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 2: guys are such dorks. Yeah, she made fun of me

1225
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 2: the entire time, but I don't know. I thought it

1226
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 2: was like, hands down, one of the best nights of

1227
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 2: my life. But be honest, it was so it was

1228
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 2: so great as somebody that's like that guy I like

1229
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 2: still wear eyeliner and have the like emo girl haircut.

1230
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: Well when they did so the first half of the show,

1231
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: because it was like the Black Parade Anniversary tour. So

1232
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: they played that album in full and when they played that,

1233
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: he had a bunch of makeup on and everything, and

1234
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: his hair is still long. And then after that album

1235
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 1: was done, they took like a couple of minute break

1236
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: and they came out in regular clothes and just played

1237
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,439
Speaker 1: a lot of their old stuff, which I really liked.

1238
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: But no makeup that time. But yeah, that was definitely

1239
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: a thing. Everybody was dressed up in some capacity for it,

1240
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: and I'm sure the people working at MetLife Stadium were like,

1241
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: what the hell is going off? I'm sure it's very

1242
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: different than the Jonas Brothers who played the next night.

1243
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 2: Who plays at that stadium?

1244
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: The Jets and the Giants. They split it.

1245
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, so it's kind of it's a football it's

1246
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 2: a football field, then.

1247
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: It's a football field. And I have to say, I

1248
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: think it's a very nice stadium. I don't really like

1249
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: Lincoln Financial Field, which is the Eagles Stadium. I think

1250
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: it's not set up very well. And I found that

1251
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 1: The last time I went to MetLife was I saw

1252
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: the Flyers play the Stadium series their last February, which

1253
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: was the coldest night I've ever been outside in my life.

1254
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: It was like, seriously zero degrees. But when we were

1255
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: there it was nice too. Also, they serve Duncan in

1256
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: the whole stadium, which is very nice.

1257
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 2: That's like it like for our Phillies Stadium, Citizens Bank Park,

1258
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 2: like they last night. It was chili at the game.

1259
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 2: It was definitely not ice cream weather. And they don't

1260
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 2: have any no coffee, no hot chocolate, nothing like cozy.

1261
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:21,520
Speaker 2: It's just they need to step.

1262
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: It up a little bit. My one complaint about the concert,

1263
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: actually I do have a complaint is that I paid

1264
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: ninety dollars for a hoodie that I know for a

1265
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: fact I bought for twenty dollars twenty years ago, and

1266
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:34,719
Speaker 1: that really far.

1267
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 2: Becoming an old person, because that's that's just I think

1268
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 2: that's just what a hoodie cost now.

1269
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: That is ridiculous. I was looking at it. I was

1270
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: telling Ricky when we were driving there, I was like,

1271
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 1: I had, you know, you know, because they were my

1272
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: favorite band of all time. I had every single shirt

1273
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: they had at Hot Topic. I had everything, and you know,

1274
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 1: when I got to be an older teenager, I was like,

1275
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm so over them. I only listen to pop punk now.

1276
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:01,719
Speaker 1: And then I threw everything out I don't have anything,

1277
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 1: and I was so bummed about it, and most of

1278
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: the merch was for the tour or for the Black Parade,

1279
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 1: and then I was so excited they had one thing

1280
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 1: that was something I had back in the day, so

1281
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to buy it out of nostalgia. And then

1282
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't believe I had.

1283
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 2: You can like search Amazon and see if they had

1284
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 2: it for five dollars, Like like Louis's Philly shirt he

1285
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 2: got off of.

1286
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 1: What so everybody could tell it's fake. That was the

1287
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 1: worst Philly's shirt I've ever seen.

1288
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 2: It so bad. It's actually like it's a It was

1289
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 2: like a fake replica of a jersey and are so

1290
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 2: we have like retro Phillies colors are maroon and then

1291
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 2: the newer ones and the really really old ones are

1292
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 2: like a bright red, and the shirt had both colors

1293
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 2: on it. I've never seen that ever, and it had

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Speaker 2: it so it's like a traditional baseball jersey and it

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Speaker 2: had a zipper, and I'm just like, I'm like embarrassed

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Speaker 2: to even be standing next to you right now with

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Speaker 2: this shirt on.

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Speaker 1: When he was walking through the gate yards and yards

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Speaker 1: away from us, I was like that is the worst

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Speaker 1: fake journey I've ever seen in my life.

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Speaker 2: It really is. It's so bad, and he like apparently

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Speaker 2: just like opened it right before he went to the

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Speaker 2: game and didn't really think much of it. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: He's color blind too, though. Do you think he can't

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Speaker 1: see the difference?

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Speaker 2: I still think he Yeah, it's pot like he might

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Speaker 2: not be able to see the difference in the color exactly,

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Speaker 2: but he could tell that the tones are different, once

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Speaker 2: darker than the other one. I actually was pretty sure

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna post it on my Instagram later so you

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Speaker 2: guys could say it it's so bad. It was pretty bad,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, best and i'd ever I highly recommend everybody

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Speaker 2: see them on the rest of their tour, even though

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Speaker 2: again the tickets were another thing that I was like,

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Speaker 2: I definitely paid twenty bucks to see them twenty years

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Speaker 2: ago and now it was lots of money. But all right, guys,

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Speaker 2: we are gonna be a crime kind in only two weeks,

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Speaker 2: which I honestly can't believe. We still don't have our

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Speaker 2: outfits really picked out, so I guess that's something that

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Speaker 2: needs to get checked the list this week. I do

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Speaker 2: you do I have some stuff moment today, but we'll see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, see you guys.

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Speaker 1: Bye.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to Mother nos Death. As a reminder,

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Speaker 2: my training is as a pathologist assistant. I have a

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Speaker 2: master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.

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