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Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realist. We are returning to you with a

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Speaker 1: classic episode. This is for all of our fellow fans

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Speaker 1: of time life, books for your coffee table, Mysteries of

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Speaker 1: the Unknown, the Mind versus.

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Speaker 2: Matter, mind, Science of the Mind, Feats of the mystics.

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Speaker 1: Have have you, guys, ever seen some of these tricks

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about, like walking on fire, laying

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Speaker 1: on nails, being buried alive, that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I watched the finale of that show called

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Speaker 3: The Office, the American version, or maybe it wasn't the finale,

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Speaker 3: it was close to the finale, I can't remember. It

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Speaker 3: was on that show they walked on, they walked all,

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Speaker 3: that's right.

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Speaker 2: It was a team building exercise, yes, iracle. And as

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Speaker 2: it turns out, laying on nails isn't like much of

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Speaker 2: a feet at all. Your body kind of balances out

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Speaker 2: and you're not gonna ever really sing on.

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Speaker 1: Same with running across coals, depending on how you do it.

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Speaker 1: So we decided back in twenty twenty five years ago

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Speaker 1: now almost to figure out the science behind how this works,

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Speaker 1: to figure out the philosophical stuff, and to see whether

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Speaker 1: there was indeed anything supernatural about it. We can't wait

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Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts.

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Speaker 4: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 4: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 4: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 4: production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Mett,

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Speaker 3: my name is Nolan.

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Speaker 5: They call me Ben.

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Speaker 1: We are joined as always with our super producer Paul.

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Speaker 1: Mission control decands, most.

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Speaker 5: Importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. We're entering today's episode with an

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Speaker 1: image that may be familiar to everyone, especially fans of

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Speaker 1: film in the West, and it's a somewhat stereo typical

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Speaker 1: image that of the Indian mystic often called a fake

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Speaker 1: here fakir someone using the power of the mind to

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Speaker 1: accomplish seemingly extraordinary feats. A fakir is a Muslim or

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Speaker 1: a Hindu religious ascetic, traditionally a mendicant monk who is

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Speaker 1: sometimes thought of as a miracle worker. And we've heard

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Speaker 1: the tales, right they sound they have. Let's be diplomatic.

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Speaker 1: They range in plausibility. The idea is this, through intense meditation,

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Speaker 1: these individuals are able to do things like walk on

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Speaker 1: do things like levitate or survive for forty days without

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Speaker 1: food or water. So what is happening here? Today's question?

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Speaker 1: Could the mind alone be responsible for these astonished, seemingly

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Speaker 1: miraculous feats. Here are the facts.

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Speaker 2: First of all, really quickly, though you literally just described

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Speaker 2: all stuff that's like David Blaine type material. I think

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Speaker 2: he's done all of those things. I think he's survived

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Speaker 2: for however long without food, and you know, walked on

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering if that's if he's got some of these abilities.

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Speaker 2: But let's get to the facts. For sure, the mind

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Speaker 2: is absolutely capable of extraordinary feats. In a previous episode,

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Speaker 2: we've explored things that could technically be considered mind over matter,

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Speaker 2: the most widely acknowledged examples being the human mind affecting

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Speaker 2: for this that is super fascinating. Let's start with mental

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Speaker 2: health and the immune system.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we know for sure that someone's mental state can

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Speaker 3: actually affect whether or not they are vulnerable to specific

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Speaker 3: but again, the mind is kind of the control mechanism

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Speaker 3: for a lot of these things, even the ones that

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Speaker 3: occur without our conscious input. Right, there's a professor named

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Speaker 3: Steve Colt. He's a professor of medicine and psychiatry at

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Speaker 3: And this one causes the body to become inflamed. Is

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Speaker 3: what it's called inflammation. You like red warm, You've you've

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Speaker 3: a that's a big problem, right.

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Speaker 5: Mm hmm right.

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Speaker 1: And and his work shows us pretty conclusively that what

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Speaker 1: seems logical then that if a negative experience and negative

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Speaker 1: like happiness might have the opposite effect. And this leads

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Speaker 1: Professor Cole to ask himself a very strange question. How

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Speaker 1: he asks can an immune cell register and abstract concept

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Speaker 1: like happiness and something philosophers have argued about before the

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Speaker 3: Time, and skeptics out there, including those in this room,

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Speaker 3: may think, well, there's got to be some kind of

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Speaker 3: everything from love to hate. And you know, perhaps there's

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Speaker 3: Let's let's keep our minds open as we go through this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, philosophy talks about this. I think

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Speaker 2: it's a platonic concept, the idea of you diamonia, which

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Speaker 2: and the response summed up in the Atlantic is pretty fascinating.

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Speaker 1: That's correct. The researchers found that a high score on

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Speaker 1: you demonic well being correlated with a more favorable genetic

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Speaker 1: expression profile. This means that when you feel that you

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Speaker 1: are part of something bigger, that's you demonic happiness. When

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Speaker 1: a destiny, You're going in a direction. Your immune cells

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Speaker 5: Bro or whatever you would say.

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Speaker 1: Things that boost this sense, this eudaemonic well being, Things

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Speaker 1: is real mind over matter.

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Speaker 3: the time. That is one specific study, right. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: worked extensively in this field. So that's one study to

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Speaker 1: give you a snapshot, but you can read more about

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Speaker 1: his work to your heart's content on your browser of choice.

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Speaker 1: And this idea, this weird relationship of mind over matter,

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Speaker 1: to talk about not just meditation, but taxi drivers, Buddhist monks,

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Speaker 5: What do these all have in common?

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Speaker 3: Yes, you may recall an episode we did a little

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Speaker 3: while back on real life Superhumans. Does anybody remember a

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Speaker 1: Just breathing, like, yeah, he also exposes himself to cold

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what it's like. I'll tell you what

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Speaker 3: if you're listening, you you are a god among men.

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Speaker 2: what about things like frostbite? Like what about things that like,

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Speaker 1: know today. But could someone actually do this?

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Speaker 3: The answer is maybe a little more complicated than you'd

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Speaker 3: like to think, and we're going to get into it

441
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Speaker 3: right afterward from our sponsor.

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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. So good news, Yes, people

443
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: can really do these things. In fact, this may be

444
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Speaker 1: even better news. It is nowhere near as difficult as

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Speaker 1: you might think. And yes, your mental state, the correct mindset,

446
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: is important, but that's far from the only ingredient in

447
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Speaker 1: the recipe here. Some folks are perhaps going to take

448
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Speaker 1: this as bad news. They might see us as debunking this.

449
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Speaker 1: But other folks, you know, in the audience may feel

450
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Speaker 1: empowered firewalking. That's what it's called a little bit misleading.

451
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: But but how does firewalking work?

452
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Speaker 2: By a walk with me?

453
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Speaker 1: Oh oh boy, Lynch, I thought about I had that

454
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Speaker 1: plane while I was looking at some of this stuff.

455
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Speaker 3: Just imagining him, like interrogating a small I think a

456
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Speaker 3: capuchin maybe or primate.

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Speaker 1: I love his voice through the Lynch voice. But firewalking

458
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Speaker 1: nowadays seems like a kind of isolated practice. It's not

459
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Speaker 1: something a lot of people get together to do with

460
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Speaker 1: their friends on the weekend all the time. We have

461
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Speaker 1: this stereotype that squarely places it in India, right, But

462
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Speaker 1: people have been doing this for thousands of years in

463
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Speaker 1: places across the globe. The earliest documented reference does go

464
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: back to India in twelve hundred BC. But you'll see firewalkers.

465
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Speaker 1: You'll see people calling themselves firewalkers in Spain, Greece, Fiji, Polynesia,

466
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Speaker 1: and there's nothing supernatural about it. There is zero supernatural

467
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: stuff at play here. You can probably do it yourself,

468
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Speaker 1: but don't don't legally.

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Speaker 5: We are not telling you to do this. It's a

470
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Speaker 5: bad idea.

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Speaker 1: Don't go to the er with your feet all messed

472
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Speaker 1: up and say that Ben, Matt and Noel told me

473
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Speaker 1: this would be a cool thing to do, because we're not.

474
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Speaker 1: We're just saying you're probably physically capable of doing it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I would say, don't do it unless you have

476
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Speaker 3: production and insurance. Like the cast of the Office.

477
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Speaker 2: That's again the same thing. That's a very epic moment.

478
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: Team building. It's team building, that's right, Probly probably not

479
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Speaker 2: something that most offices to get approved as a team

480
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Speaker 2: building exercise, but I like the gesture.

481
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Speaker 1: I couldn't even get a budget for us to play

482
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Speaker 1: laser tag, which is ridiculous. But should I watch The

483
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Speaker 1: Office or here? I haven't seen the US version that is.

484
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: Wild, Yes you should. And the second season of Community.

485
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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.

486
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Speaker 2: I have seen The Office all the way through, probably

487
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Speaker 2: nine times. It's like my comfort food show. I just

488
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Speaker 2: put it on when I want to feel okay.

489
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Speaker 3: So let's talk about what firewalking actually is, or you

490
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Speaker 3: know what it generally refers to. There's usually a nice

491
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Speaker 3: long bed of coals, really hot coals, stuff that'll burn

492
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Speaker 3: you for sure. Now let's say it's about ten feet long.

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Speaker 3: Then on one end you've got human beings, actual human

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Speaker 3: beings with no shoes, no foot coverings whatsoever, lined up

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Speaker 3: ready to just walk across it and guess what happens

496
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Speaker 3: they do. In the instance of some of the mystics

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Speaker 3: we're talking about, a lot of times it will be

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Speaker 3: an individual person that is taking a walk across the

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Speaker 3: coals and then maybe waiting for a moment and taking

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Speaker 3: a walk back across the coals. And it really is

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Speaker 3: just science. It's something that science can pretty quickly answer.

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Speaker 1: Sadly, I don't know if it's sad, it's pretty I

503
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Speaker 1: find it inspiring.

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Speaker 3: It was mystic. Man, it was incredible. It was mind blowing,

505
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Speaker 3: at least for me, I remember it.

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Speaker 2: But when there was magic in the world, guys, there's

507
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Speaker 2: still science came along.

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Speaker 3: It just has nothing to do with coals on the croud.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, it's true, because I mean, you don't see,

510
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of work that goes into making one

511
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Speaker 2: of these scenarios. You know, like when you hire the

512
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Speaker 2: company to make your coal pit for your team building exercise.

513
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Speaker 2: They show up well in advance of the actual exercise,

514
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Speaker 2: and they got to dig a trench first, and then

515
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Speaker 2: they got to lay out the coals. They got to

516
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Speaker 2: light them, and you probably would notice that these coals

517
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Speaker 2: aren't like flame and hot. You're not shooting like, you know,

518
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Speaker 2: an accelerant on them. They're not shooting flames out left

519
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Speaker 2: and right. They're basically embers. They've been allowed to burn

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Speaker 2: down to the point that they're not, you know, actually

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Speaker 2: actively on fire anymore.

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Speaker 3: But embers are hot.

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Speaker 2: They are they can be hotter than a thousand degrees fahrenheit.

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Speaker 2: But then you turn us onto this fact. This is

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Speaker 2: fascinating there because of the actual coal And by the way,

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Speaker 2: so firewalking is kind of as a misnomer, would be

527
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Speaker 2: more accurately described as coal walking, Ben, as you pointed

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Speaker 2: out to us, And the carbon structure of coal is

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Speaker 2: really bad at conducting heat. So if you kind of

530
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Speaker 2: zip along, you know, hot footedly, you're gonna there's a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a lag in how quickly it conducts

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Speaker 2: heat from the coal to your actual bare feet.

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Speaker 1: And that's why you don't see a bunch of people

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Speaker 1: getting together to have either a social rite of passage

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Speaker 1: or a corporate team building exercise by walking on a

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Speaker 1: ten foot row of burning metal sheet pants. Oh you

537
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Speaker 1: don't do it.

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Speaker 5: There's a reason.

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Speaker 1: There's a science to this. Yeah, coal is just a terrible,

540
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Speaker 1: terrible conductor of heat. Water also has a high thermal capacity,

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Speaker 1: so you don't see the prep work before you see

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Speaker 1: that amazing walk. There are hours of people very carefully organizing,

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Speaker 1: igniting the coal, and then letting it burn down while

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Speaker 1: they smooth it out. They let the wood burn so

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Speaker 1: that the embers don't retain water, and they use specific

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Speaker 1: types of wood, so hardwood embers like cherry and maple,

547
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Speaker 1: like glow red orange, look hot, but they don't burn

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Speaker 1: as hot as other types of wood like olive wood,

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Speaker 1: and you know the firewalk pros know this, the Tony

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Speaker 1: Robbins of the world and so on.

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Speaker 3: That's right. And another major factor here is essentially what

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Speaker 3: I do with my grill, what maybe you do with

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Speaker 3: your grill when you're cooking, if you set the coals up,

554
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Speaker 3: if you cook with coals, but you set coals up

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Speaker 3: kind of in a pile you set on fire.

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Speaker 2: Then once the pyramid right like almost, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, once fire's going, you spread that baby out, so

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Speaker 3: you've got essentially a flat layer of coals across the

559
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Speaker 3: entirety of that surface. The same thing is happening here.

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Speaker 3: The coals are then spread out specifically so that you're

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Speaker 3: not going to when you place your foot on top

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Speaker 3: of it, you're not going to go into coals, right,

563
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Speaker 3: You're not gonna surround your foot with a step with coals.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna step across one single layer or as close

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Speaker 3: to one single layer as possible.

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Speaker 1: You might also, uh might also dip your feet in

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Speaker 1: some water. And that is because when liquid meets intense heat,

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Speaker 1: it forms an insulating, albeit temporary layer of steam. This

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Speaker 1: is something called selia didn't frost effect.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm sorry, sir, what was that?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah it was I meant to say, celia didn't

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Speaker 1: frost effect.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I just want to make sure I got it.

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Speaker 1: It's the reason why you can lick your the tip

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Speaker 1: of your fingers and then snuff out a candle without

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Speaker 1: hurting yourself.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And yes, we are pronouncing that correctly. It does have

579
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Speaker 1: to be screamed.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's in all caps anywhere that it's printed right, right.

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Speaker 1: So with with all this, you know, like what you

582
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Speaker 1: were saying earlier, we do you see a pace mattering

583
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Speaker 1: because if you have prepared this way, your wood's right,

584
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Speaker 1: your your surface is flat, there's not actual flame being emitted.

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Speaker 1: And you just walk at a brisk pace, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. You walk like it's kind of cold

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Speaker 1: outside and you're in a hurry. Then you are going

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Speaker 1: to receive a relatively small amount of harmless heat with

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Speaker 1: each step. But that changes very quickly if you saunter

590
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Speaker 1: too much or you meander, and it'll changes. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: also changes if you run. It just it gets worse

592
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Speaker 1: on either side of the spectrum.

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Speaker 3: Just slow and steady. That's what the tortoise was talking about,

594
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Speaker 3: or the turtle or whatever other slow animal in that

595
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Speaker 3: parable you want to.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you don't want to run, So it really is

597
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Speaker 2: all about just like a nice even continue across. Wow.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's funny that it is so simple

599
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Speaker 3: like that, and it does seem like anybody could do

600
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Speaker 3: it and it's not hard necessarily, But and that really

601
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Speaker 3: isn't the point, at least in a lot of the

602
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Speaker 3: ways it was done in the past and the way

603
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Speaker 3: it's viewed as a ritual, right, it is more about

604
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Speaker 3: mind over body, almost convincing yourself that it's going to

605
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Speaker 3: be okay if I do this, or I have the

606
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Speaker 3: mental strength to go through with this thing that seems terrifying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's some of thing it could mean, like it's

608
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 2: a little bit different. But if you're someone who's terrified

609
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Speaker 2: of like roller coasters or heights, heights, let's just say,

610
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Speaker 2: let's just simplify it, and then you psych yourself out

611
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Speaker 2: to go on a really terrifying roller coaster, that's mind

612
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Speaker 2: over matter as well, because you know, in reality that

613
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Speaker 2: thing could break down and eject you, you know, at

614
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Speaker 2: the very top of the of the you know, biggest loop,

615
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Speaker 2: and you could fall to your death. You accept that

616
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Speaker 2: that's a possibility. But you submit yourself to this situation

617
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Speaker 2: and agree and agree with yourself with your mind that

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Speaker 2: you're going to be okay.

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Speaker 1: And you get a no fear T shirt at the

620
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Speaker 1: end time remember those.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know what, no spoilers. But now that

622
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 3: I think about it, that's really what the office episode

623
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Speaker 3: was all about.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, I thought you were about to say I

625
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Speaker 1: still have those T shirts and I was shaking my

626
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Speaker 1: head and I was.

627
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Speaker 5: Thinking, I knew it. I know he's still well, of.

628
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Speaker 3: Course, Oh no, all my shirts are now like UFC,

629
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Speaker 3: M m A shirts, you know, all the really really

630
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Speaker 3: good ones. No, wait, like this one. I think this

631
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Speaker 3: is a UFC shirt somewhere.

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Speaker 5: I've got a yeah, I have.

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Speaker 1: I have a bunch of shirts. They're just names of

634
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Speaker 1: podcasts from announcements where they handed us shirts and I

635
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Speaker 1: was and I was like, well, I'm not gonna keep

636
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Speaker 1: buying shirts now. So I have that's where.

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Speaker 2: I have a Stamps dot Com shirt that says something

638
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: about podcasts, like I made a podcast and all I

639
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Speaker 2: got was this lousy Stamps dot Com shirt or something wrong.

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Speaker 1: Someone someone was bound to do that.

641
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Speaker 5: But okay, So if you're a perspective.

642
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Speaker 1: Cole walker, it's fine to call yourself a firewalker, just

643
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,959
Speaker 1: know that you are being intentionally misleading. If you walk

644
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Speaker 1: too slowly, your feet will sink into the coal, You'll

645
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: go through those temporary insulators, and your day will take

646
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: a bad turn because these folks will burn like any

647
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Speaker 1: other ordinary person. If you go too fast, you will

648
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: run the risk of kicking up embers, burning yourself again

649
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: like any other person. Or you'll be doing everything right

650
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Speaker 1: and a little piece of coal gets stuck between your toes. Also,

651
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: you have to add you could slip and fall and

652
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: that can turn fatal pretty quickly, so be very cautious. Also,

653
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Speaker 1: we're not telling you to do it, We're just telling

654
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Speaker 1: you how it works. You may be asking yourself, hey,

655
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Speaker 1: why is this always shown happening at night so often?

656
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Speaker 1: That's all in the pr it's the bizazz, baby. It

657
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: turns out that firewalking at night minimizes the visibility of

658
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: the ash that covers the coal. Ash is another just

659
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: trash heat conductor. It's terrible at it, and when it

660
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: covers these coals, it blocks the heat. So during the

661
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: daytime it might look like people are just making a

662
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: great to do about a weird, crumbly gray pathway, but

663
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Speaker 1: if you show it at night, it looks like things

664
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Speaker 1: are on fire.

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Speaker 5: Totally.

666
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: Now, I minimizes the the bad optics and maximizes the

667
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,479
Speaker 2: good optics because you're not gonna they're not gonna seem

668
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: nearly as glowy during the day, right.

669
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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, And so this is all calculated and explain

670
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: this way, it may seem more like a simple science experiment,

671
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: even though it is risky. But to a point you

672
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: made earlier, Matt, we have to remember that this occurs

673
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: as a rite of passage, so people experiencing this are

674
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: viewing it through the lens of ritual. Just because it's

675
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: not supernatural doesn't mean it can't be a fundamentally transformative act.

676
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: Ordinary things can change your life.

677
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, just like the first box of magic

678
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 3: cards you ever get. Hey, well, we're gonna keep going

679
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 3: down this pathway of looking at some of the more

680
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 3: seemingly mystical things that mystics do, and we'll tell you

681
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 3: more about them after another word from our sponsor.

682
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: Okay, so if you're still with us after we pretty

683
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: much demystified walking on Cole's thanks for coming back.

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Speaker 5: I hope you had a good break.

685
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Speaker 1: This is something, honestly, Matt Nol, this is something that

686
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Speaker 1: just I think Chuck would say it squiggs me out.

687
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 3: I can tell.

688
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's another very popular thing, lying down on

689
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: beds of sharp nails with out without being harmed physically.

690
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 2: But Ben, it's not the sharp part this squiggs you out.

691
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Speaker 3: It's the materials, right, the metals. Yeah, no, I I

692
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 3: I get it partly. I think a lot of us

693
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Speaker 3: out there get it. Ben, maybe not to the extent

694
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Speaker 3: that you experienced it, but yeah, it.

695
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: Does, even though you could do it safely.

696
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 5: Guys.

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Speaker 1: For me, honestly, it's like the same idea of being

698
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Speaker 1: forced into a bathtub filled with dangly key rings.

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Speaker 5: It's just it's just unclean.

700
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Speaker 3: That one triggered me.

701
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Speaker 2: I don't understand why, because.

702
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Speaker 5: It's all their hands on you.

703
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: You know, that's true, that's true, That's very true. But yeah,

704
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Speaker 2: this is an interesting one and one that I I

705
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Speaker 2: you know, this is actually the kind of thing that

706
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Speaker 2: you might even see if you if you've been to

707
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Speaker 2: a Myrtle Beach esque type town where they have a

708
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Speaker 2: place called Ripley's believe it or not. You may have

709
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Speaker 2: experienced one of these situations yourself.

710
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, sure, and you know, look, I hope you're

711
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 3: still around for the ride for this one. Everybody. We

712
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 3: are doing some myth busting over here. But this concept,

713
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Speaker 3: this practice, the act of laying down on a bed

714
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 3: of nails, has a really mundane explanation. It's pretty basic science.

715
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 3: It has to do with weight distribution like overall and

716
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Speaker 3: pressure placement essentially, like pressure per square inch essentially.

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Speaker 1: Yep, and our colleague and friend of the show, Tracy Wilson,

718
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: who you may recognize from stuff you missed in history class,

719
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Speaker 1: did a great breakdown of this from the house stuff workstays,

720
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Speaker 1: that's exactly what you're talking about, Matt, and she brings

721
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Speaker 1: up the example of a person in high heeled shoes.

722
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: I didn't know this, but if you are walking in

723
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: high heeled shoes, you are exerting more pressure on the

724
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Speaker 1: ground than an elephant. And it's entirely due to this

725
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: distribution you're talking about, Matt. Like, in mathematical terms, pressure

726
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: is equal to force divided by area.

727
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Speaker 3: So and wait wait wait wait that's true.

728
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so an elephant will tend to weigh more

729
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Speaker 1: than the average person. Yes, not the not the body

730
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: shame elephants or people. But its feet have so much

731
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Speaker 1: more surface area than the pointy heel of the shoe.

732
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Speaker 1: So despite despite the weight, overall the real estate where

733
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Speaker 1: that weight connects is much smaller in the shoes, so

734
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Speaker 1: there's there's more force.

735
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Speaker 3: There are four points of contact with an elephant. Right, wow,

736
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Speaker 3: that's mind blowing. Ben, thank you for that, and Tracy, geez.

737
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Speaker 2: So what if you fell from a very high height

738
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Speaker 2: onto one of these beds of nails?

739
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Speaker 1: Different stare right, Yeah, very very much so, because now

740
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: you have we say, fall. But if you think about it,

741
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: gravity is just pulling you viciously, so you're not You're

742
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: not in control then of your of your speed or approach.

743
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: So imagine, just to mess with everybody's mind. I don't

744
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: know if we're Paul, I don't know if you're going

745
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: to do sound effects for.

746
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Speaker 3: This, No, don't, okay, So.

747
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Speaker 1: Imagine that you have, unfortunately stepped on a nail. This

748
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Speaker 1: is not a thought exercise for a lot of us

749
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Speaker 1: in the audience today. This is a terrible memory. Your

750
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: foot is exerting a tremendous amount of pressure on a

751
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Speaker 1: very very tiny point of connection the tip of the nail,

752
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: and so.

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Speaker 5: That's the sound effect.

754
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Speaker 1: I'll do the so so the nail goes into your foot,

755
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: you scream, your partner is like, oh my god, you're

756
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: ruining prom or something like that.

757
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 3: Are there, They're like.

758
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: Harry, Harry, and then you get and then you get

759
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: tetanus and you die.

760
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Speaker 3: Uh.

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00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: Now, I always say, whenever I think of this, I

762
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: think of that scene at Home Alone. That kid was sadistic.

763
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 2: He really really overdid it with those poor wet bandits.

764
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Speaker 1: I mean, you would think after the first trap someone

765
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: would say we should go.

766
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: That that's true. This kid is way this kid is demonic.

767
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: He's obviously a psychopath. You know, we and we we

768
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Speaker 2: are no match for him.

769
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like think about that.

770
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Speaker 5: It feels to.

771
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Speaker 1: Me that the dark heart of Home Alone is that

772
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Speaker 1: Kevin would have done that to anyone.

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Speaker 5: Who went in the house.

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Speaker 1: The male postal worker, a relative. He just wanted the blood.

775
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: I think he just wanted the blood.

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Speaker 3: Guys, come on, come on now, it's.

777
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 2: Actually about the magic. It's about the magic of Christmas.

778
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: Let's be real, guess, which is also kind of about Okay, Nope, nope,

779
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: we've got a Christmas episode that you check out.

780
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 3: Lady so hard ruin Christmas.

781
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 2: We've ruined magic, Now we've ruined home alone, and now we've.

782
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Speaker 5: Ruined Christmas not at all.

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Speaker 1: You know, Santa Claus is the number one most popular

784
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory for most US children. We can't ruin Christmas.

785
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Christmas is part of the

786
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: reason this show exists if you look at the structure,

787
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: like the philosophical framework of discovering what is or isn't true.

788
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Speaker 1: So it's true a nail will mess up your foot,

789
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: but it is also true that you can lay on

790
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: a bed of nails. Well, yeah, Matt, I love that

791
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Speaker 1: you just have nails.

792
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 2: I have a tiny little nail here.

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Speaker 3: You just have imagine hundreds of.

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Speaker 1: These, we think, so we hang out in person, I'm

795
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Speaker 1: going to do an experiment.

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Speaker 5: Well just be like.

797
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Speaker 1: Hey, Matt, do you happen to have any nails?

798
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Speaker 3: And I'm always with nail, Always.

799
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Speaker 1: With nails, because you never know when you'll have to

800
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Speaker 1: make a bed of nails. And this is safer than

801
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Speaker 1: a single nail. Safer with a lot of coffeats.

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00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: There's another one that this brings to mind when you

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00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 2: see like suspension artists who have hooks that go through

805
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: their skin or they can hang either from like two

806
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 2: points of contact from their shoulders or prone with like

807
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: multiple hooks, and you know, your mind immediately thinks, oh,

808
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: those are going to rip out and they're going to fall,

809
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 2: and they're going to be completely shredded. Their backs are

810
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 2: going to be shredded. But it's the same concept, right,

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Speaker 2: It's all about weight distribution with those as well.

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Speaker 1: It's about weight distribution. That's I would say that's an

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Speaker 1: order of magnitude more complicated, however, because the people who

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Speaker 1: are the people who are inserting those hooks have to

815
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Speaker 1: have a pretty good knowledge of human anatomy and physiology

816
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: if they want to avoid lasting harm.

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00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 5: But yes, the thing with.

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Speaker 1: A bed of nails is that we still have just

819
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Speaker 1: the tiny, the tiny point of contact like you saw

820
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Speaker 1: in Matt's nail collection, but we have a bunch of

821
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Speaker 1: them and they're all close together, so collectively this is

822
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Speaker 1: a lot of surface area for the human body. They

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Speaker 1: distribute the pressure of your you know, not yet carcass

824
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: and voila. Usually everything goes all right. Your body will

825
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: not put enough pressure on any single individual nail for

826
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Speaker 1: it to break your skin, which means we can extend this. Heck,

827
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Speaker 1: throw a second bed of nails on top of yourself

828
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Speaker 1: while we're there, and they get one of your buddies

829
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Speaker 1: to break a cinder block on it, and if everything

830
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Speaker 1: goes according to plan, you're gonna be okay. Again, we're

831
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Speaker 1: not telling you to do this.

832
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Speaker 5: We're just saying.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna look super awesome.

834
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Speaker 2: We're not not telling you to do this. We are

835
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Speaker 2: do this. Don't do any of this. Okay, good, But

836
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Speaker 2: you're also you know, you're in your your own master

837
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 2: of your own destiny at the end.

838
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: Of the Yeah, we're just telling you that all your

839
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: crushes will fall in love with you. Your boss will

840
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: see it and they'll say, that's the kind of inities.

841
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 2: Guys, guys, the lawyer phone is ringing. It's just so if.

842
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: You have experienced this without like before, hearing from us,

843
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: we played no part in this.

844
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Speaker 5: We're just giving you information.

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Speaker 1: We do want to hear your story, though, because one

846
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Speaker 1: of the most dangerous parts of this practice has nothing

847
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Speaker 1: to do when you actually lying there with beds of

848
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: nails being on top of you or even center blocks.

849
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Speaker 1: The real dangerous part is getting yourself on and off

850
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Speaker 1: the thing. Once you get on there, you're fine.

851
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, whatever, Yeah, it goes right through. But they're

852
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 2: pretty close together though, right, that's the whole point. So

853
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 2: they're definitely together. So even your hand, if you're not

854
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 2: putting a ton away on it would still the whole

855
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 2: principle would hold you. No, maybe it wouldn't. It's too focused.

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Speaker 2: I think it needs to be more distributed than that,

857
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 2: more widely. Yeah, that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Gotta take it easy, like a Sunday morning man, like

859
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: soft rock in an elevator. You got to lay that

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00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: groove on slow.

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Speaker 2: But what if they were knives though, Guys, what if

862
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 2: they were knives?

863
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Speaker 1: Different same people have attempted things im im principle. It's

864
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Speaker 1: something that would work just from the concept of the

865
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Speaker 1: pressure and distribution, and you will see people who are

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Speaker 1: doing those things are purporting to do so. I guess

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Speaker 1: when someone check me on this. It would obviously depend

868
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Speaker 1: on the knife, right, you wanted to play it safe.

869
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: You could just blunt the tip of the knife, which

870
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: is probably what someone someone's nails in the past. But

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Speaker 1: I'm just speculating here. If feels like maybe it's the

872
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Speaker 1: difference between somebody juggling with bowling pins and then somebody

873
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Speaker 1: juggling with you know, tennis balls or something I'm sorry,

874
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: something more dangerous lit torches and.

875
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 5: Chainsaws.

876
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: Well, the Internet did not deliver on bed of knive,

877
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 2: but it did deliver a really grizzly photo of a

878
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: dude in the hospital had been stabbed in the face.

879
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 2: So thanks Internet. Something else, Yeah.

880
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: Good, I've got just the thing for you, piercing the body.

881
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what we were just talking about, like suspension, right,

882
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 3: and also like putting nail or another sharp object through

883
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 3: your cheek or into your nose or down your throat.

884
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 3: A lot of that stuff has to do, like you said,

885
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 3: been with knowledge of human anatomy where it's actually going

886
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 3: remaining calm. Is there anything else to that?

887
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: Preparation practice is having an instructor? Yeah, uh, And you

888
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: can you can read some great articles on what are

889
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 1: called human block ads. You can see some uh there's

890
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: some fantastic forums on how to safely conduct suspension.

891
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 2: Uh.

892
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: But again that's none of none of those things or

893
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: things that you want to just watch a YouTube video

894
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: and attempt for you to do yourself. But the point

895
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: is people are able to do these. There are two

896
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: other things that we should mention when we're talking about

897
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: other feats, just briefly, because these might be future episodes.

898
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 5: One is the idea of being.

899
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: Buried alive consensually saying, hey, I've thought about it. Put

900
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: me in the ground and then take me out and uh,

901
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: you know, let's see what happens.

902
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't seem real. And we found instances, historical

903
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 3: alleged instances where people have been buried for elongated periods

904
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 3: of time. I think think the one that we got

905
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 3: for this was from a long time ago. Someone was

906
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 3: supposedly buried for forty days. Who is that right?

907
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 5: Yeah?

908
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: That was his name is jesusty days?

909
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 3: Those three days?

910
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 2: Only three? Yeah, I need to brush up on my

911
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: Bible verses.

912
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. His name was Sadu Haridas. Yeah he was. This

913
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 3: was allegedly to have occurred in eighteen thirty seven. He

914
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 3: was buried alive for forty days and survived.

915
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: And there it's interesting because there were multiple eyewitness accounts

916
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: and they they sound just unimpressed enough for me to

917
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: think at.

918
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 5: Least a few of them are true. These people did

919
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 5: get fooled.

920
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: There's one British guy who who recounts the story and

921
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: says they dug him up in like within half an

922
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: hour he was kind of back to normal, but he

923
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: is still really frail and feeble. And then half an

924
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,439
Speaker 1: hour after that was just he would talk to people

925
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: who asked him questions and uh, he still looked really weak.

926
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: We were convinced it happened, and so we left.

927
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 5: That's how that's what they did.

928
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 3: That's sound I mean, that sounds unbelievable to me. But

929
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 3: the thing is, everybody, there might be something to this.

930
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that that particular story is true and

931
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 3: there wasn't some kind of swindling or weirdness going on there,

932
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 3: but there could be something to this, right, and it's

933
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 3: something that we might be talking about later. No spoilers though.

934
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 5: Okay, No, you're right, Matt, you're right.

935
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: It's hard to bite our tongues on this one. But uh,

936
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: this is this is a future episode. We think we

937
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: figured it out and not again, not necessarily in a

938
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: debunking way. We found something, uh, and we want to

939
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: bring it to you soon. But while we're here, we're

940
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: talking about feats. There's another big one. I think it's

941
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: interesting uh, because it's one of the more extreme, it's

942
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: one of the more controversial. It's one that is pretty divisive.

943
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 3: That shouldn't be possible.

944
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: It's impossible. That's why it's divisive. It's divisive because it's

945
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: physically impossible. Back in twenty ten, there was a guy

946
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: named Plade Johnny, and he's a religious teacher. Some people

947
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: considered him a prophet. He was about eighty two in

948
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 1: twenty ten and he was located in Gujarata. He claimed

949
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: that he had not consumed get this, any food or

950
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: any water of any sort in more than seventy years.

951
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: This occurred after an encounter he had with divinity when

952
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: he was eleven years old, and so science came to

953
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 1: bear A doctor Sakir Shah, the director of neuroscience at

954
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: the Sterling Hospital in Ahmedabad, decided to investigate. He and

955
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: a team monitor Johnny for ten days in two thousand

956
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: and three, during which time they confirmed that he did

957
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: not eat anything, drink anything, urinate, or generate bowel movements,

958
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: which is a really unnecessarily formal way to say he

959
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: wasn't pooping.

960
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 2: Those are all superpowers in and of themselves, each of those.

961
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, the broad portfolio of freakish abilities.

962
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 3: There, Well, there are two. There are two schools of

963
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 3: thought here, though. The first is ten days. People fast

964
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 3: for a long time. People who are serious about fasting

965
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 3: can do that.

966
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 2: With food.

967
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 3: But water is a different story because uh, let's technically

968
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 3: maybe that's not the right word. Scientifically, according to what

969
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 3: we understand about humans and bodies and water, you shouldn't

970
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 3: be able to go more than I would say maximum

971
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 3: four days? Is that about right? Without water? And they're

972
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 3: saying they monitored him for ten days and he didn't

973
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 3: take in any water or expel anything any of the

974
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 3: by products of water. Seems that seems impossible.

975
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: It does, and that's why they went back with the guy.

976
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: In twenty ten. They monitored him again, and this time

977
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: they extended the monitoring period to fifteen days. They got

978
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: the same results. No urine, no feces, no food, no drink,

979
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: and outside of a couple of very limited circumstances that

980
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: we're not going to talk about just yet, this is impossible.

981
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: And I hate to be the downer here, but Nightline

982
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: got wind of this and they went to investigate. They

983
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: saw what this man was calling his or what had

984
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: been described as his cave to studio apartment, and on

985
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 1: video you can see that this apartment as a refrigerator.

986
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: When the people working for Night Live asked one of

987
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: this teacher's followers, hey, it's a very reasonable question.

988
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 3: Why does a guy.

989
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: Who doesn't have to eat, why does he need a refrigerator?

990
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: And then the follower apparently became very very defensive refuse

991
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: the crew entry into the dwelling, and they walked away

992
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: with it still being a mystery.

993
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 3: Hmmm, doesn't sound like a mister Urado me. But maybe

994
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 3: he's just got an ice maker in there and he

995
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 3: needs the ice for another purpose, right, Maybe the ice

996
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 3: isn't to drink, it's to cool down something, or to

997
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 3: feed some houseplants, or can.

998
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 2: Gently caress his body with you know, yeah alone times.

999
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: Allies, I like it he practices his wim Hoff meditation.

1000
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 2: That was the full circle, guys, full circle open.

1001
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,959
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, we don't want to be seem

1002
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: like we're being entirely dismissive. These are just the things

1003
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: that we know to be true about this case. Please

1004
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: do not attempt to start for yourself. Please do not

1005
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: attempt to be a breath arean or anything. This stuff

1006
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: is dangerous, and every technique we've described has given people

1007
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: serious injuries at some point over history. So if you

1008
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: want to achieve these sorts of things, and what you'll

1009
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: need to do is study with the experts in these

1010
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: in these feats, right, find someone who has walked over

1011
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: coles and look at their feet first before you decide

1012
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: whether or not you're going to pay them to teach you.

1013
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,479
Speaker 3: But now find your own David Blaine to a bunch

1014
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 3: of balloons and go up way too high and then

1015
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 3: jump down with a parachute.

1016
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: Or get someone like Darren Brown to convince you that

1017
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: you did it and you just don't remember it.

1018
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 5: That's a great idea.

1019
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: It seems then that the question of mind over matter

1020
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: in the world of mysticism is often at least misrepresented.

1021
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: We know thought can alter the structure of the human

1022
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: brain to the point where where if you maybe listening

1023
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: to a bunch of podcasts might do something to your

1024
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: brain too. We don't know yet, because podcasts haven't been

1025
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: around long enough for us to find out. But it

1026
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: also turns out that many of the physical feats that

1027
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: are thought to be the result of mental or cognitive

1028
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: superpowers turn out to be the clever, ritualized application of

1029
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: well established scientific principles. We can dismiss some of these

1030
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: folks as hoaxters and frauds, but there's one crazy thing here.

1031
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: We have to remember. The primary tool they are using

1032
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: to trick the crowds and the followers isn't a prop

1033
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: like a nail. It's not some coals and some ash.

1034
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: The primary tool is their mind, which means they are

1035
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:49,479
Speaker 1: wielding mind over matter. Maybe not as much, but they're

1036
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: using their mind to exert influence over the minds of others.

1037
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: So we ended up with mind over mind, which sounds

1038
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: way less.

1039
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 3: I don't know they're using your mind is a weapon too. No, No, that's.

1040
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: True, at least as far as we know now. We

1041
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: may be off base. The one thing we didn't talk

1042
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: about was the levitation, right, the purported acts of levitation.

1043
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: We also didn't talk about the infamous but rarely witnessed

1044
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: trick of climbing up a rope that's not you know,

1045
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: that's not attached to anything seemingly, and we want to

1046
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: hear from you. Have you witnessed physical feats that cannot

1047
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: be explained by ordinary means. We're talking seemingly superhuman whim

1048
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: Hoff kind of stuff. If so, let us know we

1049
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: want to hear from you, because, as always, we want

1050
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: to see actual cases of this. How amazing would that be?

1051
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 3: First put in a call to us one eight three

1052
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 3: three std wytk, leave us a message, tell us what

1053
01:00:56,120 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 3: you saw, send us some I don't know pictures or

1054
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 3: something on one of our socials or something, and immediately

1055
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 3: after that, call James Randy or whoever is representing him

1056
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 3: in his hotline and collect a million dollars or whatever

1057
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 3: their bounty is right now for something intensely like esp

1058
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 3: powers or something mystic like that. But first call us

1059
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 3: one A three three std wy t k m hmm.

1060
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 2: If you don't want to use a telephone, maybe you

1061
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 2: got germ, you know, aphobia or something like that, or

1062
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 2: you don't like handling plastic, or I don't know what

1063
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 2: a pun's made of these days? Who knows? Another mystery.

1064
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,320
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1065
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1066
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1067
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1068
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1069
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1070
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1071
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1072
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1073
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1074
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,960
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1075
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1076
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,160
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1077
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1079
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