WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 11/2: 3 Up/Down from Dolphins, Commanders Preview and Matchups to Watch

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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<v Speaker 1>Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it?

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<v Speaker 1>Joined as always, buy our bark. Here is Evan Lazar

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<v Speaker 1>and Alex Barr.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so much easier to move forward as a football

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<v Speaker 2>team if you don't need to draft a quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so much easy. Oh yeah, no, then then Marvin

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<v Speaker 1>Harrison Junior is back on the table. Joel, we're on

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<v Speaker 1>the table, Jared Verse, if you want to go, I wouldn't,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think some tlor wide receivers on the table.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna like, don't know who any of these people

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<v Speaker 2>are tackle or wide receivers back on the table.

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<v Speaker 1>That that is very true.

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<v Speaker 2>But at two and six, we're getting to the point

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<v Speaker 2>where maybe we should know who these people are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's all I've been trying to tell you. Are

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<v Speaker 1>we getting there? Trying to tell you?

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<v Speaker 3>Here?

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<v Speaker 2>Here's my thing and I I we were a text

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<v Speaker 2>about this last night.

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<v Speaker 1>Here.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's my thing about the draft is that if I

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<v Speaker 2>start looking at the draft now on November two, by April,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be so drafted. Like we're gonna talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the draft on this show for four straight months, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we're I don't wanna. I'm not sure yet,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't want to. But there could be another

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<v Speaker 2>another Shrine Bowl like trip coming up for us come January.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a little tease. That's that's not a promise, so

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<v Speaker 2>don't hold me to that, but it's it's in the works.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna have plenty of draft right. It's if

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<v Speaker 2>I start talking about the draft now, then Lord help me.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's here's here's what I say to capture that.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, I love how you didn't even introduce

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<v Speaker 1>the show. We literally just picked up I was getting there,

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<v Speaker 1>like a conversation we're having over text. I walked in

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<v Speaker 1>here and we're just rolling from that. For people who

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<v Speaker 1>would think that the show's in authentic or anything. You

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<v Speaker 1>you usually get started in like February right with the draft, as.

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<v Speaker 2>Soon as I give myself like a week to take

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<v Speaker 2>a break from watching film after the season ends, and

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<v Speaker 2>then so yeah, when we go into the Shrine Bowl

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<v Speaker 2>last year, that was my.

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<v Speaker 1>Start, and you're usually pretty filled in by the time

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<v Speaker 1>we get it to the draft. Think about how much

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<v Speaker 1>deeper you can get into it. Now if you start. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>God, I understand what you're saying, but my ahead of

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<v Speaker 2>the curve, I won't have the draft only goes so far,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Have me taking these victory laps on you of like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you're you just discovered this guy and it's great, I

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<v Speaker 1>discovered them two much you can do the uh, we

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<v Speaker 1>can get all the recency bias out of the way,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true, then we can actually talk about these guys

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<v Speaker 1>like on a level playing field.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say this though, and it is Evan Lazarre

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<v Speaker 2>and Alex bars here on Patriots Catch twenty two for

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<v Speaker 2>the next couple of hours. We have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>Patriots stuff that I want to talk about, but this

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<v Speaker 2>is this is you know, something that's that's on both

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<v Speaker 2>of our minds.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's face it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know the draft and the Patriots at two and

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<v Speaker 2>six are holding I think the fifth overall pick in

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<v Speaker 2>the draft right now. If I am not mistaken, if

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<v Speaker 2>the draft were to be tomorrow, let's say, and or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it's sixth, fifth or sixth.

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<v Speaker 1>Somewhere like that. And second, what never mind, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>the second today.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm saying the draft pick that they would have.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, this is this is classic's what a start

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<v Speaker 2>A start off the rails already.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh so, yeah, he's on first. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's the fifth pick because the Commanders

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<v Speaker 2>have the eleventh pick, and there were six picks apart

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<v Speaker 2>when I wrote my my game preview yesterday. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's the fifth pick. It's the fifth, yeah, And uh,

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<v Speaker 2>let's face it, that's that's a reality that we are

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<v Speaker 2>walking in right now that it might be more important

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<v Speaker 2>to start looking ahead to twenty twenty four and this

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<v Speaker 2>team in twenty twenty four. And that was sort of

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<v Speaker 2>my I think it's interesting and this isn't where I

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<v Speaker 2>was going to go with this, honestly, but the open

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<v Speaker 2>got me here already.

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<v Speaker 1>H did.

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<v Speaker 2>The difference in approach between the Commanders and the Patriots

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<v Speaker 2>at the deadline is very interesting, right the Commanders, it's

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<v Speaker 2>noticeable sold, they sold Chase Young and Montes sweat off.

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<v Speaker 2>They are on to twenty twenty four in Washington, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're they're three and five. They're they're pretty much in

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<v Speaker 2>the same spot, but not exactly. They have one more

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<v Speaker 2>win than you. Yeah, and uh, I was impressed by

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<v Speaker 2>how they played Philly. Now you played Philly close to

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<v Speaker 2>so I guess maybe both teams, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Got your Patriots, you like, you're not a team. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I does he do that? Oh yeah, that's a textbook Felger.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, okay, I haven't that. That's bad because I

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<v Speaker 2>actually was gonna was gonna go someplace that that Felger

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<v Speaker 2>went this week. So anyways, Uh, they scored thirty one

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<v Speaker 2>points though against Philly. You did not score thirty one

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<v Speaker 2>points against Philly.

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<v Speaker 1>You did not.

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<v Speaker 2>I just did it again. Now you're in my head.

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<v Speaker 2>The Patriots did not score thirty one points against Philly.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have a take, and we're gonna get to

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<v Speaker 2>this in in a little bit. It's not where I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to start off the top. I do have a

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<v Speaker 2>take about Eric b Enemy, who I watched a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of Commander's film for you all you So I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the Patriots and talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>You're addressing the list you can call the listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>You that's fun, okay for all you fans and listeners

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<v Speaker 2>out there. So you didn't have to go and watch

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<v Speaker 2>Washington Commander's football and Sam Howell, You're welcome, because let

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<v Speaker 2>me tell you, watching the Patriots offensive tape from Miami

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<v Speaker 2>and then following that up by watching some Commanders offensive tape.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't exactly a great time on Monday at the

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<v Speaker 2>Lazar Garten household. So you're welcome. You're welcome. We're doing

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<v Speaker 2>a service for the people. But it was to stark difference.

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<v Speaker 2>And we'll talk about that and talk about the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four outlook and the trade deadline. We'll talk a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit about Josh McDaniels, and that's where I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to start because you know, I'm a McDaniels guy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I like McDaniels. I think he's a really good offensive coordinator.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously separate. They're two different jobs. And I know we

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<v Speaker 2>say this all the time to kind of hammer this home,

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<v Speaker 2>but being a head coach of a football team and

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<v Speaker 2>being an offensive coordinator are two different jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>There are some guys that are great coordinators and that's

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<v Speaker 1>just what they are.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what he is. I think he's a great

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<v Speaker 2>offensive coordinator. I think he's a terrible head coach. And

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<v Speaker 2>reading a lot about what went on in Vegas, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I read a Brear had some good stuff

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<v Speaker 2>on it. Vic Tarfer, who's a local beat guy, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like there, Mike Grease, you know, he's he's

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<v Speaker 2>as plugged in as anybody out there in Vegas. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought he had a really nice piece about it on

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<v Speaker 2>the Athletic about all.

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<v Speaker 1>For the PFT comments or what did you see that

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<v Speaker 1>one god? And at first there's so good, I will

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<v Speaker 1>say he's.

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<v Speaker 2>At first, when I was reading it, I'm not knowing McDaniels,

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<v Speaker 2>the very little that we know McDaniel's. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I could see him being a big Halloween guy. He's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of toof like, I could see that. And then

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<v Speaker 2>as I was reading it, I was like, Okay, no,

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<v Speaker 2>never mind, like this is this is definitely got.

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<v Speaker 1>So many so many people. Yeah, I thought that was

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<v Speaker 1>really funny. Yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that you know, reading about it, and I

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<v Speaker 2>sent you a screenshot of one of like the grafts

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<v Speaker 2>from from a vix article about it, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>sounded kind of similar, like, you know, no social media,

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<v Speaker 2>long meetings, long days, a lot of hours at the office,

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<v Speaker 2>hard practices like these are that's the Patriots, right.

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<v Speaker 1>We heard it about Patricia, we heard it about Joe Judge,

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<v Speaker 1>We heard about a lot of these guys that went elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But my bigger question with McDaniel's being canned and

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<v Speaker 2>where we go from here with the Patriots and how

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<v Speaker 2>this relates and this I told you, this is something

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<v Speaker 2>that I know that your shows have been discussing, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think Badard might have been the first one that

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<v Speaker 2>brought it up on his Tuesday segment which I like

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<v Speaker 2>listening to, and he talked about the Patriots offense, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the McDaniels O'Brien Patriots system, and is this system extinct?

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<v Speaker 1>And extinct is a big word, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's necessarily extinct, but you look

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<v Speaker 2>at two guys and O'Brien and McDaniels that are trying

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<v Speaker 2>to to run this system still and they're two of

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<v Speaker 2>the worst offenses in the NFL their thirtieth and thirty

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<v Speaker 2>first in scoring. I know Brian Dable and Giants are

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<v Speaker 2>thirty second, and he's like Patriots adjacent. There's definitely a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of Patriots elements to dables offense, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>that he's really more McDermott Buffalo as well as Patriots.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not going to continue completely give that to

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<v Speaker 2>the Pats, but it's it's Patriots adjacent, no doubt about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And those three systems are thirtieth, thirty first, and thirty

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<v Speaker 2>second in scoring in the league. And this kind of

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<v Speaker 2>my big thing about this Miami game that that was

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<v Speaker 2>so frustrating to me watching this game and then watching

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<v Speaker 2>it back on film, is that nothing literally nothing from

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<v Speaker 2>the Buffalo game carried over. Nothing like they they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>execute you're talkingtically, just I'm talking execution, Okay, well, because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying like, like we still saw, like Mike when

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<v Speaker 2>when we were right tack, no, no, no, Schematically, they

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<v Speaker 2>tried like they picked up the Buffalo game plan and

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<v Speaker 2>they put it in to Miami. They tried to dial

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<v Speaker 2>up some more shots, I would say, against Miami than

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<v Speaker 2>they did against Buffalo. But on the whole, the game

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<v Speaker 2>of the very first play of the game in both

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<v Speaker 2>games is exactly the same play.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay you're saying, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like it from a play calling schematic standpoint,

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<v Speaker 2>exactly the same. The execution could not have been more

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<v Speaker 2>Jackal and Hyde and my question, and I asked Mac

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<v Speaker 2>about the pre snap stuff, and I have a take

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<v Speaker 2>on that on all of this that connects. My question

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<v Speaker 2>isn't necessarily is it extinct to the point where it's

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<v Speaker 2>no longer schematically sound, because I don't think that's the case.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's still a sound system, but is it

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<v Speaker 2>extinct to the point where you can't execute it week

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<v Speaker 2>in and week out. It's inconsistent because there's so much

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<v Speaker 2>moving parts. Their quarterback at the line of scrimmage. Most

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<v Speaker 2>of the time, there's like two plays that the quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>has called in the huddle. There's a run play, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a pass play, then there's checks. Then there's a whole

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<v Speaker 2>alert system based off of how the defense is aligned,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike protections, you know, things like that. And yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 2>getting drilled. I don't know if people can hear that

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<v Speaker 2>over the air, probably, and Marine's on the case.

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<v Speaker 1>He he just went out to do some construction out here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's all sorts of different things, and that's just okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's pre snap, right, and you know, you got to

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<v Speaker 2>get to put the team in the right play. And

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<v Speaker 2>what I see from Mac is, you know, he's already

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<v Speaker 2>been called for a couple of delayed games, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get the team into the right play. And

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<v Speaker 2>second of all, I see like he's frantic. You know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean, like he's at the line of scrimmage

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<v Speaker 2>and he's making all these checks, and he's making all

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<v Speaker 2>these calls, and he's waving all this motion and oh,

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<v Speaker 2>then a receiver comes in motion and then it shows

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<v Speaker 2>to the offense like, oh, they're in man. Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>then now we have a man call. So now we

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<v Speaker 2>have to alert to the man call, or like I

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<v Speaker 2>want to, you know, hot routed, or I want to,

0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:06.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, set a certain route because it's man coverage now,

0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:08.960
<v Speaker 2>so I'm checking to a fade or I'm checking to this,

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<v Speaker 2>and then okay, and then the ball snapped, and we've

0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:14.480
<v Speaker 2>already done seventeen things before the ball is even snapped.

0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:18.320
<v Speaker 2>And then the ball snapped. And then after the snap,

0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:20.800
<v Speaker 2>the quarterback and the receivers have to see everything the

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<v Speaker 2>same way. The routes convert. The quarterback needs to be

0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:26.960
<v Speaker 2>on time, the receivers need to be running their proper routes,

0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.080
<v Speaker 2>like all of these different things need to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that.

0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:34.360
<v Speaker 2>You know, I know your station in Felger and his

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<v Speaker 2>take on it is that there was only one quarterback

0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:38.280
<v Speaker 2>that could execute it at a high level, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was Brady. And I think there's something to be said

0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.479
<v Speaker 2>for that, but I think it goes beyond just the quarterback.

0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.480
<v Speaker 2>I think it's the whole thing. And I just wonder

0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:53.199
<v Speaker 2>if the inconsistencies that we have seen are obviously reflective

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<v Speaker 2>of the talent on the field. There's definitely that element

0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.839
<v Speaker 2>to it where players that are not very talented aren't

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<v Speaker 2>going to be able to execute it in you know,

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<v Speaker 2>every single week, every single play, inside and out. But

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<v Speaker 2>I also wonder at to a degree, how much overthinking

0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:12.280
<v Speaker 2>is going on in this system. Like if we're last example,

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<v Speaker 2>then I want to get your your take on this

0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:18.120
<v Speaker 2>Pop Douglas, who I think it's so hard to point

0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.800
<v Speaker 2>any fingers at Pop Douglas because he's probably their most

0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.679
<v Speaker 2>dynamic player on the field on offense right now, and

0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:28.600
<v Speaker 2>it's that's very that's very crystal clear when you watch it,

0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.960
<v Speaker 2>how he moves differently than everybody else on the field.

0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.679
<v Speaker 2>But even he has a lot of route running miscues

0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:41.520
<v Speaker 2>on tape, and you just wonder, Pop Douglas, keisha On Boudi,

0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Taekwon Thorton, like all these guys that you've drafted the

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<v Speaker 2>last couple of years, are they being held back by

0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.760
<v Speaker 2>the fact that they have to basically play three D

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<v Speaker 2>chess every passing play when the ball is snapped, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I I'm getting to the point where I think that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of there's obvious advantages to the way that

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<v Speaker 2>they do things. If you're playing against the team and

0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.320
<v Speaker 2>it's man coverage, you want to run away, you want

0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.199
<v Speaker 2>to break away from man. If it's zone, you want

0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:14.200
<v Speaker 2>to sit against zone. Like those are things that are

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<v Speaker 2>in pretty much every NFL offense, but I think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the different moving pieces and moving parts sometimes

0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.880
<v Speaker 2>can be more cumbersome or bogged down players and bog

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<v Speaker 2>down the quarterback who isn't seeing it quickly enough right

0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.440
<v Speaker 2>now and isn't reading the field very well. And I

0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:34.960
<v Speaker 2>wonder if he's Mac is so just his brain is

0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.400
<v Speaker 2>moving at like a thousand miles an hour. Yeah, overwhelmed.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not making excuses for the talent. I'm not

0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.440
<v Speaker 2>making excuses for the players, But I think that there's

0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.800
<v Speaker 2>more to this story than simply just Mac sucks. And

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like the only way that you can be

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<v Speaker 2>right right now for a lot of people is if

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<v Speaker 2>you just scream and yell that the quarterback stinks, and

0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:01.760
<v Speaker 2>they need to move on and it's over and he's terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>And if there's no nuance, right like, you can't have

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<v Speaker 2>an in between take, you can't have an opinion that

0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:08.800
<v Speaker 2>has any sort of context to it.

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<v Speaker 1>You just have to say he stinks.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that there's a lot more to it

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<v Speaker 2>than that. And now that McDaniel's failed in Vegas, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>starting to wonder if this system needs to adapt and change.

0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.040
<v Speaker 1>And I think some of it is on top. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>they they did things with Brady, and there were benefits

0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.920
<v Speaker 1>for Brad Brady, not just a processing power he had,

0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.880
<v Speaker 1>but being in it for twenty years and building on

0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.600
<v Speaker 1>it and building on it and building on it. Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>Garoppolo is a guy that was in that system. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so he has some experiences and he.

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<v Speaker 2>Looks exactly the same like I watched The Raiders off Jones. Yeah,

0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.440
<v Speaker 2>he looks skittish, he looks uncertain, his eyes are everywhere

0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:48.800
<v Speaker 2>like he looks exactly And I think you can make

0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:52.280
<v Speaker 2>some some correlations to the offensive line play if you

0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:54.520
<v Speaker 2>want as well, and say that both offensive lines have

0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.440
<v Speaker 2>been putrid and that's part of it. But Jimmy is

0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:00.880
<v Speaker 2>you know a lot of those throws to Vante Adams

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<v Speaker 2>that that everybody is like freaking out about the deep

0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.080
<v Speaker 2>balls and stuff like that. Yeah, they're they're bad throws.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he's's inaccurate on the pass. I'm not trying to

0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:11.520
<v Speaker 2>say that that that it's this deep. But at the

0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.320
<v Speaker 2>same time, he's late to a lot of it, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, Like he's not seeing it quickly enough.

0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:18.800
<v Speaker 2>And then I'll then he sees it and then he's

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<v Speaker 2>trying to, you know, kind of hit it late in

0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:24.040
<v Speaker 2>the down and I will. They look if you watch

0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:27.080
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Garoppolo and you watch Mac Jones and you and

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<v Speaker 2>you kind of take off the jerseys for a second.

0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.840
<v Speaker 2>They it looks like the same guy. They're both frantic

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<v Speaker 2>and all over the place.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember when everybody wanted Jimmy Garoppolo back this offseason.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't. I know, I know, I had to. I

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<v Speaker 1>had to.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 1>I I think that the receiver thing too, that you

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<v Speaker 1>talk about is on top of the Patriots system being

0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:51.520
<v Speaker 1>more complicated, the college systems have become less and less complex. Yeah,

0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:56.400
<v Speaker 1>for wide receivers. So the growth curve or the need

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<v Speaker 1>to improve is is the gap is even wider now

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<v Speaker 1>than it was ten years ago. So yeah, I think

0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.440
<v Speaker 1>there is something to that. Now. Is there a simplified

0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:07.960
<v Speaker 1>version of the system that they could run. That's probably

0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:09.960
<v Speaker 1>what they're running. Maybe it needs to be simplified more.

0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.280
<v Speaker 1>Does it work when it gets simplified more at the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL level? That's I mean, we could debate that for hours,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, it does feel like they're just trying to

0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:24.680
<v Speaker 1>catch something there. The offense looks overwhelmed. The offense a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the time, and this is going back a

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<v Speaker 1>few years now, has looked overwhelmed. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean when O'Brien says that it's very, very inconsistent,

0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.720
<v Speaker 2>that's what he said on Tuesday. Yeah, and I just

0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:38.880
<v Speaker 2>when he says that, I don't I think that a

0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:42.880
<v Speaker 2>lot of that inconsistency is they're just not doing things correctly,

0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, in terms of the actual play call, like

0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.840
<v Speaker 2>the design of the play is not is not being

0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:53.360
<v Speaker 2>run correctly. And when you watch Mac Jones, a lot

0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.760
<v Speaker 2>of what I'm seeing with Mac on film is that

0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.960
<v Speaker 2>there's a lack of anticipation and a lack of trust

0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:04.359
<v Speaker 2>in a lack of understanding you know, this guy's gonna

0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:07.680
<v Speaker 2>break this way that guy's gonna break that way. And here,

0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:09.320
<v Speaker 2>if I hit my back foot and I throw this

0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:11.720
<v Speaker 2>ball now, or if I hit wait for the second

0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.080
<v Speaker 2>window and then I throw this ball like that, this

0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.879
<v Speaker 2>is where it's open, right, And those are the types

0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:20.080
<v Speaker 2>of throws. When you watch good quarterbacks, like when you

0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:24.359
<v Speaker 2>watch Tua, for example, everything is with anticipation, everything is

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<v Speaker 2>on time, and I think with Mac nothing is on

0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:33.120
<v Speaker 2>time right now. There's no anticipation. And there's a lot

0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:36.679
<v Speaker 2>of throws on this game film against Miami that are open,

0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:39.600
<v Speaker 2>that are there plays that he left on the field

0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:43.320
<v Speaker 2>that if he's throwing it on time with a little anticipation,

0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.600
<v Speaker 2>with a little bit of foresight into like where the

0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.520
<v Speaker 2>defense is going and things like that, then he's going

0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:54.480
<v Speaker 2>to be able to hit these throws. And I just

0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.199
<v Speaker 2>worry about that with the system in general. And I

0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.840
<v Speaker 2>want to read this answer from Mac yesterday when I

0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.960
<v Speaker 2>asked him about the pre snap stuff, because to me,

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<v Speaker 2>this is I think a big issue.

0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:06.320
<v Speaker 1>And I know that J. T.

0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:08.480
<v Speaker 2>O'Sullivan has talked about this in a lot of his

0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:13.639
<v Speaker 2>Mac breakdowns on the QB School, like there's just seventeen

0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.200
<v Speaker 2>things to do pre snap, And I remember Max said

0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.000
<v Speaker 2>a couple of weeks ago about his pre snap checklist,

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<v Speaker 2>and I followed up with him on it.

0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:21.639
<v Speaker 1>He wouldn't he didn't want to.

0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:25.119
<v Speaker 2>Go into detail of exactly what that checklist is. But

0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.840
<v Speaker 2>his checklist has got to be like five things longer

0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:29.520
<v Speaker 2>than any other quarterbacks, right.

0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:32.040
<v Speaker 1>Like, Yeah, it's just there's too much. There's too much.

0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:33.640
<v Speaker 2>And he said, you know, I think that's a big

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<v Speaker 2>part of the offense, and as the quarterback, that's something

0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:37.960
<v Speaker 2>that you want. That's something that you need to learn

0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:41.720
<v Speaker 2>how to do quickly. Some teams are doing things to

0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:43.840
<v Speaker 2>slow it down. So I just need to figure out

0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:46.320
<v Speaker 2>how to play faster pre snap. And I think there's

0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:48.639
<v Speaker 2>different ways to do that schematically and also from a

0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.520
<v Speaker 2>mental standpoint. That's definitely a good point. I feel like

0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:53.679
<v Speaker 2>I can improve in that area. So he says he

0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.639
<v Speaker 2>wants to play faster pre snap. If I was the

0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.320
<v Speaker 2>Patriots coaches, and if I was Bill O'Brien, I would

0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.679
<v Speaker 2>want to slow him out, not speed them up, unless

0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:02.160
<v Speaker 2>that's in.

0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Reaction to the like all the all the delay game penalties.

0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.040
<v Speaker 1>I think it is, but I but I get what

0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:11.000
<v Speaker 1>you're saying. You're not wrong.

0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I want I would want to strip down his responsibilities

0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.200
<v Speaker 2>pre snap and I think you look at a lot

0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:20.000
<v Speaker 2>of these offenses that that run really well nowadays, like

0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:23.399
<v Speaker 2>the Shanahan offense or the Reed Tree, which we're going

0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:27.200
<v Speaker 2>to see this weekend on Sunday. Those two offenses, they

0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:31.000
<v Speaker 2>have similar conversions and they have similar things going on,

0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:35.040
<v Speaker 2>I would say, But at the same time, it seems

0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.440
<v Speaker 2>like everything is a lot more stripped down and a

0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:40.080
<v Speaker 2>lot more simplified, but it still works like It's not

0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:42.720
<v Speaker 2>like so simplified like last year is so simplified that

0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.679
<v Speaker 2>it didn't it didn't work right. But I think that

0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.480
<v Speaker 2>these offenses are able to simplify it and it's able

0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:52.520
<v Speaker 2>to work. Last thing here on on Mac. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get into three up, three down, and

0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.840
<v Speaker 2>then we'll take your calls of a five to five,

0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:58.879
<v Speaker 2>pats five hundred. We've got some emails to get to,

0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:03.560
<v Speaker 2>a web radio, a Paige dot Com. I just I

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<v Speaker 2>do really think that this is a big nine games

0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:09.119
<v Speaker 2>for Mac Jones. I've given him as long as I

0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:10.760
<v Speaker 2>think we I don't want to speak for you, but

0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:12.200
<v Speaker 2>I think we have given him as long of a

0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:14.399
<v Speaker 2>leash as maybe anybody to try to prove to us.

0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:17.960
<v Speaker 1>That's what they say on Twitter and in the YouTube comments.

0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:20.159
<v Speaker 2>I think we've given them him as long as of

0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:22.959
<v Speaker 2>Aleish as anybody to prove to us that he is.

0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.720
<v Speaker 2>I would say, like a franchise guy is maybe a stretch,

0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:31.040
<v Speaker 2>but just a guy that you can win football games

0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:34.520
<v Speaker 2>within this league and build around a little bit. And uh,

0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:36.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm running out of time. I don't know about you.

0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:39.080
<v Speaker 2>Like I feel like as much as I hold a

0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.879
<v Speaker 2>lot of the personnel stuff, and I just talk a

0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:45.400
<v Speaker 2>lot about the scheme and the system, against the coaches

0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:48.439
<v Speaker 2>and against Bill Belichick and against the talent evaluation of

0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:51.600
<v Speaker 2>this team and things like that, I do definitely think

0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.440
<v Speaker 2>that he's basically got nine games to prove to me

0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:58.040
<v Speaker 2>that he can start playing winning football, because he hasn't

0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:02.080
<v Speaker 2>really played winning football. I would say, outside of maybe

0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:05.119
<v Speaker 2>maybe I'd give him two games.

0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:07.920
<v Speaker 1>If you want to give him, they've won two games.

0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:11.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he played winning No, I agree with you,

0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:15.199
<v Speaker 1>it's two maybe three. I think times running out as

0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:16.639
<v Speaker 1>the way to put it. I'll just kind of go

0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:18.240
<v Speaker 1>with what I've said before and what I said coming

0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:22.520
<v Speaker 1>into the season. Max's job this year better worse, regardless

0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:24.600
<v Speaker 1>of what the team put around him was to keep

0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.639
<v Speaker 1>them out of position of drafting his replacement. He hasn't

0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:30.960
<v Speaker 1>done that, and that with the rookie contract coming up,

0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:33.680
<v Speaker 1>why are you going to commit to a guy who

0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:36.400
<v Speaker 1>has you picking in the top five when you can

0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:41.520
<v Speaker 1>get a better prospect on and extend that rookie deal

0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:43.520
<v Speaker 1>out another four years as opposed to just having the

0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:45.240
<v Speaker 1>last year, but four or five years with the option,

0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:46.840
<v Speaker 1>instead of having the last year of it with the

0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:50.640
<v Speaker 1>option looming the summer. That was the stakes I said

0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:52.560
<v Speaker 1>on here, I said on the sports stop, I said everywhere.

0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:55.120
<v Speaker 1>That was the stakes for mac Jones this year. Can

0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:58.040
<v Speaker 1>you make it so the team can't reasonably draft your replacement?

0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:01.679
<v Speaker 1>And so far or some fault of his own, a

0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:04.720
<v Speaker 1>lot of it not at his fault, but it happened.

0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:06.880
<v Speaker 1>This is where they're at. Yeah.

0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think he's got nine games to show me

0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:15.959
<v Speaker 2>that it's it's obviously the tangible thing is picking up

0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:18.879
<v Speaker 2>the fifth year option. Yeah, But in general, I just

0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:22.040
<v Speaker 2>think that he's got nine games to show me that

0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:24.600
<v Speaker 2>their first round pick should be on Marvin Harrison Junior

0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:26.680
<v Speaker 2>and not on Drake may right right like that, that's

0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:29.200
<v Speaker 2>that's the bottom line. And now, if he plays well

0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:30.919
<v Speaker 2>in the last nine games, they're probably not gonna be

0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:33.960
<v Speaker 2>in position to draft either. But that's kind of the point, right,

0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:35.479
<v Speaker 2>he's got Yeah, I agree with that.

0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:39.240
<v Speaker 1>Right, if they're in position to draft Drake May, they

0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:41.480
<v Speaker 1>should be drafting Drake May. Right, If they're not in

0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:44.760
<v Speaker 1>position to draft them, it means Mac probably, especially with

0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:47.320
<v Speaker 1>all the injuries. Now, Yeah, it's not like the defense

0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:49.600
<v Speaker 1>is gonna carry him, right, It's not like Max' gonna

0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:51.919
<v Speaker 1>be playing bad, but the defense carries them and suddenly

0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:54.920
<v Speaker 1>they're picking twelve, thirteen to fourteen, whatever. Yeah, everybody's hurt,

0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:57.280
<v Speaker 1>it's just him. Yeah, if they win enough games that

0:22:57.320 --> 0:23:00.480
<v Speaker 1>they're not in the top five, Mac played well, and

0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:02.400
<v Speaker 1>then it becomes then you can start doing the Jalen

0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:04.479
<v Speaker 1>Hurts thing in the second round, guys like Jayden Daniels

0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:07.760
<v Speaker 1>and JJ McCarthy. But no, where they're at right now,

0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:10.280
<v Speaker 1>he's not kept them out of the spot where drafting

0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:14.640
<v Speaker 1>his replacements unrealistic. One more take on that. It's kind

0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:16.199
<v Speaker 1>of related, But this is something I've been working on.

0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:21.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious your thought, I think, and I've thought this before,

0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:22.600
<v Speaker 1>but now that the Patriots are in the spot. I

0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:24.560
<v Speaker 1>think I've kind of flushed this. Take out a little

0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:29.639
<v Speaker 1>bit Moreah. The initial NFL draft order as it is

0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:31.960
<v Speaker 1>assigned at the end of the season is one of

0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:36.520
<v Speaker 1>the most overrated concepts in sports in terms of how

0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:39.359
<v Speaker 1>much we bowed down to the draft order. Here's my point.

0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:42.119
<v Speaker 1>You have a lot of people saying Patriots can't win

0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:44.199
<v Speaker 1>another game, they need to be drafting top three to

0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:47.119
<v Speaker 1>take Drake May. You need to pick in the top three.

0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:49.359
<v Speaker 1>You don't need to own the third pick. From the jump.

0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:53.720
<v Speaker 1>If you're picking fifth, you should realistic if if you

0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:56.080
<v Speaker 1>believe Drake mad is the guy, yes, you should be

0:23:56.119 --> 0:23:58.040
<v Speaker 1>able to get to third if you own the fifth pick.

0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:00.800
<v Speaker 2>But you're I think the problem is and I don't

0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:02.800
<v Speaker 2>disagree with you, and you know how I feel about

0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:03.439
<v Speaker 2>draft picks.

0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:06.959
<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, here's what i'd say. Of the twenty quarterbacks

0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:09.560
<v Speaker 1>taken in the first round in the last ten years, Yeah,

0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:11.800
<v Speaker 1>nine of them were drafted with the pick that was

0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:14.359
<v Speaker 1>not originally owned by that team. That includes the first

0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:16.119
<v Speaker 1>overall pick. I'm an idiot and didn't go through and

0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:18.200
<v Speaker 1>redo the numbers. Yeah, when you take out the first

0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:21.040
<v Speaker 1>overall pick, Yeah, more than half of the quarterbacks drafted

0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:23.480
<v Speaker 1>in the top ten were not drafted with the draft

0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:25.760
<v Speaker 1>pick originally owned by the team. Okay, you move around

0:24:25.800 --> 0:24:27.280
<v Speaker 1>the board to get a quarterback. It's the price of

0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:30.320
<v Speaker 1>doing business in the NFL. Okay, So I don't disagree

0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:34.960
<v Speaker 1>with the take. Yeah, I think he does. That's yeah, okay.

0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:38.360
<v Speaker 1>I So I think that's where people are concerned, is well,

0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:39.720
<v Speaker 1>is he going to be the one making that suit?

0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Who knows?

0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:41.960
<v Speaker 2>And this is why I tell you all the time

0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:43.800
<v Speaker 2>that I can't get into the draft yet because if

0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:45.879
<v Speaker 2>I don't know whose offense I'm drafting the player for.

0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:49.560
<v Speaker 1>That's fair. But if you're drafting a quarterback, aren't you

0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:52.280
<v Speaker 1>drafting the quarterback and then sort of dictating the offense?

0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:53.159
<v Speaker 2>Uh?

0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Not them? Well, if you're changing the offense, it's not

0:24:57.560 --> 0:24:59.360
<v Speaker 1>going to be them, I hear you.

0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:01.720
<v Speaker 2>But if if this is the regime that's the one

0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:05.800
<v Speaker 2>that's taken the quarterback, that quarterback is gonna play the

0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Bill O'Brien offense like that, that's the bottom line, Like

0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:11.800
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna fit into the Bill O'Brien offense. If Bill

0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:14.000
<v Speaker 2>O'Brien goes and takes a job at Michigan State, you're

0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:16.439
<v Speaker 2>gonna be fitting into the Josh McDaniels offense, right, Like,

0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:19.360
<v Speaker 2>that's just the way it's gonna go. And I think

0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:22.399
<v Speaker 2>the concern that people have that our team tank or

0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:24.040
<v Speaker 2>whatever you want to call it, or are looking at

0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:27.920
<v Speaker 2>draft position, is that we don't have a whole lot

0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:30.800
<v Speaker 2>of precedent of Bill Belichick trading up in the draft,

0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:34.960
<v Speaker 2>not to mention trading a king's ransom up to get

0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:38.120
<v Speaker 2>the go from five to two to draft Drake May

0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:40.840
<v Speaker 2>when it could take future picks and all this all,

0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:43.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, this entire boatload of picks to do it.

0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:45.919
<v Speaker 2>I think people are concerned that he will never do

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:47.960
<v Speaker 2>something like that. So if you don't have the second

0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:50.639
<v Speaker 2>overall pick, you don't own the pick, then you're not

0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:51.240
<v Speaker 2>gonna get there.

0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:53.440
<v Speaker 1>But a lot of people would probably look at it

0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:56.040
<v Speaker 1>and safe, he's picking second, he's gonna trade back anyway. Yeah,

0:25:56.480 --> 0:25:59.800
<v Speaker 1>so I would. It's more an overarching shit take. Again,

0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:02.240
<v Speaker 1>we haven't talked about it in context in the Patriots

0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:07.520
<v Speaker 1>in our lifetimes. Yeah, but it's just people who, oh, no,

0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:09.440
<v Speaker 1>they fell from the fourth pick to the fifth pick.

0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:11.680
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe that happened. If you really believe in

0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:14.560
<v Speaker 1>the guy and this is just a blanket NFL statement.

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:17.000
<v Speaker 1>If you believe Drake may is the next twenty years

0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:20.480
<v Speaker 1>of your franchise, there's not too much you can give up. Yeah,

0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:23.040
<v Speaker 1>you should be going up and getting that pick, period,

0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:25.200
<v Speaker 1>full style. If you don't believe he's the guy, don't

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:27.720
<v Speaker 1>do it just to draft them. And the same could

0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:29.440
<v Speaker 1>be said for Caleb Williams, same could be said for

0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Michael Pennox, for any of these guys. But if you

0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 1>believe the guy's the guy, you go up and get him.

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I no, I agree. I mean, I think that's

0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:41.840
<v Speaker 2>how a lot of teams feel. But that's this team.

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:45.600
<v Speaker 2>The numbers support that. The number support, especially at the

0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:48.879
<v Speaker 2>quarterback position. Maybe at other positions it's a little different,

0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:52.960
<v Speaker 2>there's more wiggle room. But at the quarterback position, you're

0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:54.840
<v Speaker 2>picking fifth. You shouldn't be sitting there saying, well, he's

0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:57.879
<v Speaker 2>gonna go fourth, so I guess we're screwed. Yeah, it

0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't happen that way. Yeah, all right, three up, three down.

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:02.520
<v Speaker 2>I did I did have some I did have some ups.

0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:06.120
<v Speaker 2>They're all on the defensive side of the ball, so

0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:09.199
<v Speaker 2>so I'm not putting anybody on the offense as an up.

0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:12.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you that right now. Number one star of

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:16.359
<v Speaker 2>the game for me, Christian Barmore fantastic again in this game.

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Sack had five stuffs again in this game. I think

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:25.520
<v Speaker 2>that that's really been the part of his game that

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:28.880
<v Speaker 2>has matured the most is his run defense. He's he's

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:33.280
<v Speaker 2>doing a fantastic job of using his leverage, using his hands,

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:37.520
<v Speaker 2>using his upper body power to press blocks and hold gaps,

0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:41.320
<v Speaker 2>but then also flashing that range and when teams try

0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:44.359
<v Speaker 2>to zone block him, he's you know, swimming around blocks,

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:45.919
<v Speaker 2>and that's where he can use the get off and

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:49.440
<v Speaker 2>the and the ability to lateral movement and things like that.

0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:52.280
<v Speaker 2>He is on a heater. He's on three straight games

0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 2>now where he's been fantastic. He has twelve stuffs in

0:27:56.600 --> 0:27:59.120
<v Speaker 2>the last three games against the Run back to back

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:02.199
<v Speaker 2>games with the Sack six quarterback pressures going back to

0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:05.600
<v Speaker 2>the Vegas game. He has been their best player, I

0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:08.240
<v Speaker 2>would say, on either side of the football for about

0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:11.480
<v Speaker 2>a month now. So Christian Barmore is my number one

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:15.639
<v Speaker 2>up and he's one of those guys that rookie season

0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:18.400
<v Speaker 2>had over fifty quarterback pressures, was one of the best

0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 2>d tackles in that draft class. In his rookie year,

0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:26.720
<v Speaker 2>second year injured told me yesterday I spoke to him yesterday.

0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:29.560
<v Speaker 2>I hopefully I get that piece up tomorrow. He said

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:32.879
<v Speaker 2>that he had never been injured before in his football life,

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:35.760
<v Speaker 2>so yesterday, last year, second year was really tough on him,

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, rehabbing and trying to get back to one

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:41.320
<v Speaker 2>hundred percent, playing through injury a lot of the time.

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, he just said he was kind of like

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:45.960
<v Speaker 2>a lost puppy trying to figure out how to play

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:48.880
<v Speaker 2>with an injury and all that kind of stuff. And

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:51.760
<v Speaker 2>then this year is healthier, you know, back to back

0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:55.480
<v Speaker 2>to normal, and we're seeing that that Christian Barmore that

0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:58.480
<v Speaker 2>we thought they were gonna have going forward after his

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 2>rookie season, a guy that I look at as a

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:04.400
<v Speaker 2>building block, like somebody that I would hope is going

0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:06.880
<v Speaker 2>to be here on a second contract. I think that

0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:09.360
<v Speaker 2>they definitely need to have him here on a second contract.

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 2>So Christian Barmer, number one, I agree with you.

0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 1>That's a guy that you can you can build a

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 1>defense around a three down player. Is you alluded to

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:18.560
<v Speaker 1>pretty much everything I said last week? This is the

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:21.120
<v Speaker 1>guy now that he's fully healthy. Is the guy we

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 1>saw coming out of bit out of Alabama, the guy

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:25.160
<v Speaker 1>that people were surprised fell out of the first round

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty one. So absolutely loved what I saw

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>from him. Speaking of second contracts, yess Obarmar was my first. Yep.

0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 1>Kyle Duggar. Yeah, he's on my list too. Excellent in

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 1>this game, and he needed that. He had kind of

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:38.280
<v Speaker 1>a slow start to the season, but look at it.

0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:40.760
<v Speaker 1>They had him playing a more physical, closer to the

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 1>line of scrimmage role, and what do you know, Old

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Kyle Dugger showed up. Yeah. Crazy how that happens? Yeah, crazy,

0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:48.959
<v Speaker 1>how that works. Yeah, the interception obviously which to it,

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean threw right to him. But you also had

0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:53.120
<v Speaker 1>that play on the goal line. That's it. That's such

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 1>a difficult play when you have a player with momentum

0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:58.680
<v Speaker 1>moving towards the goal line and he stops him like

0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:02.040
<v Speaker 1>stone walls. Yeah, the goal line. That's just such an

0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 1>excellent play from a defensive back. There's not a lot

0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:07.320
<v Speaker 1>of defensive backs in the league that can make that

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 1>specific play. So I thought he did some other stuff too.

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:13.920
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't perfect, but the secondary was kind of a mess.

0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 1>The whole game in terms of communication. They got to

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 1>bring him back and they got to play him in

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:21.120
<v Speaker 1>the box. I think we're gonna talk a lot this

0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:26.479
<v Speaker 1>offseason about quarterbacks, about tackles, about wide receivers. Free safety.

0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be saying this all spring is the

0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:32.840
<v Speaker 1>most underrated need for this football team. And they knew it.

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:36.280
<v Speaker 1>They met with Taylor app Right, they knew it last offseason,

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 1>and they felt like they could go forward with it.

0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 1>I know some people did think it. I don't have

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:44.720
<v Speaker 1>a problem with them trying Kyle Duggart free safety. I mean,

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:47.080
<v Speaker 1>he played free safety in college. He had done it,

0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 1>he has the athleticism, but it was something to try,

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:54.000
<v Speaker 1>and there was no plan B if it didn't work out.

0:30:54.320 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 1>And it hasn't worked out, and so Kyle dugar is

0:30:57.120 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 1>having a worse season because of it, and the defense

0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 1>is worse because they don't have that guy. They're seriously

0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:04.120
<v Speaker 1>missing Devin mccordy right now. You're not gonna go out

0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:06.040
<v Speaker 1>and just get one player and replace Deem mccordy in

0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:08.959
<v Speaker 1>the offseason, But having a true center fielder, especially when

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:10.720
<v Speaker 1>you have to face the Dolphins twice a year with

0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:13.480
<v Speaker 1>their speed and teams like that you gotta go out

0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 1>and get a guy like that. Last year was a

0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 1>good year in the draft I think to do so.

0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I haven't done as much work on the safeties in

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 1>this year's class, so I'll get back to you on

0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:24.920
<v Speaker 1>that one. But getting a true free safety center field

0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:28.120
<v Speaker 1>type guy is a must because if they do, it

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:30.320
<v Speaker 1>allows Kyle dugger to play more like he played against

0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Miami on Sunday. Yeah, I agree with I had Kyle Duggar.

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:34.440
<v Speaker 2>I thought, you know, there was still a couple of

0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:36.360
<v Speaker 2>plays where he got a little bit lost in his

0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 2>own coverage. But I'm not gonna knock him too much

0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:41.000
<v Speaker 2>when you make like impact plays on the ball that

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:45.120
<v Speaker 2>he did interception, like you mentioned, good disguise coverage really

0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 2>wasn't anything that he did on the play, But he

0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 2>made the play right. That's the most important thing. Then

0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 2>I agree with you with the tackling and the plays

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:55.480
<v Speaker 2>near the line of scrimmage were really good in this game.

0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:58.160
<v Speaker 2>That's the Kyle Duggard that they were hoping to get

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 2>every game this season, and it took, like you said,

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:03.080
<v Speaker 2>with the free safety position. And I think that this

0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 2>goes back to, you know, some of the critiques that

0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:08.360
<v Speaker 2>we've made on this show of Belichick the GM. They

0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:11.600
<v Speaker 2>had known that Devin mccordy was year to year for

0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 2>like three years, and they just never addressed free safety.

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 2>They never brought in even a day three pick right

0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 2>to I mean, like Josh Bledsoe was not He's a

0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 2>box safety.

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:23.680
<v Speaker 1>He's a box safe. He's a box he's a box safety.

0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to remember there was one guy they brought

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:29.920
<v Speaker 1>through who like didn't last so I want to see

0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 1>play more. And I'm blanking on the name, but even

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:35.480
<v Speaker 1>guys like like Miles Bryant I think could play that role,

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:37.720
<v Speaker 1>they haven't put him back there. Jonathan Jones to me,

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:39.840
<v Speaker 1>when you had an injuries maybe changed, but you had

0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Jack Jones, Christian Gonzales, Jalen Mills, Jayalen Mills.

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Another guy thought well, that's what he's That's what they've

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 2>done a lot more of the last they're doing it

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 2>more now, but it's like Jonathan and Jonathan Jones had

0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 2>done it.

0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was a guy I thought maybe could fill

0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 1>that role. So they've had opportunities to do it.

0:32:57.400 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Whether they don't think that they've ever really not to

0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 2>cut you off, but I don't think that they ever

0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:04.560
<v Speaker 2>really seriously addressed it, like I I they.

0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:06.320
<v Speaker 1>Know they haven't.

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 2>You know when when Devin was here, like they took

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Doron Harmon in the third round, right, and Doron Harmon

0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:18.760
<v Speaker 2>was the perfect guy to come in and in their

0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:21.960
<v Speaker 2>past game packages he would play the center field role

0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 2>and that would free up Devin to play Robert to

0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:27.440
<v Speaker 2>play man coverage, whatever they wanted him to do. And

0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:31.360
<v Speaker 2>they gave him that that flexibility. They never they never

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:32.520
<v Speaker 2>restock the position.

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 1>And it's it's crazy to me because like.

0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:37.600
<v Speaker 2>So many spots on this roster where they just did that.

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 1>And you're right, but some of those spots, like we

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:43.760
<v Speaker 1>know they don't value aide receivers. That wasn't a surprise, okay,

0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:47.320
<v Speaker 1>but right, but what running back so so third down

0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:51.440
<v Speaker 1>running back is similar where it's such a crucial position

0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:54.360
<v Speaker 1>for what they do. It's a position we know they

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:57.560
<v Speaker 1>value highly. Right, some of the positions are things that

0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:01.480
<v Speaker 1>we value that maybe they don't. Just wide receiver would

0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:03.440
<v Speaker 1>be one. I think when we talk about the way

0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 1>they've approached the edge rusher position, they look at it

0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 1>a little differently than we do. It's like I understand

0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:09.880
<v Speaker 1>why they I don't necessarily agree with it, but I

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:12.920
<v Speaker 1>understand why they didn't invest as much free safety. We

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 1>heard for years and years and years how important Devin

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 1>McCarty was to this defense. Yeah, to not have for

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:20.640
<v Speaker 1>them to not line a replacement up when they knew

0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:22.600
<v Speaker 1>how important was to have that guy, I would say,

0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:24.759
<v Speaker 1>third down running back is the exact same thing on

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:27.240
<v Speaker 1>the offensive side of the ball. That one's even crazier

0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:30.439
<v Speaker 1>because it was remember before Devin McCarty came, or before

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 1>he moved back to sink like, they had trouble finding

0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:34.840
<v Speaker 1>a fast Why they that to Bill?

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:36.719
<v Speaker 2>And I know a lot of people think that that

0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:39.080
<v Speaker 2>Devin struggled at corner in the second year, and that

0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:41.920
<v Speaker 2>was I think Devin. I did a piece on it

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 2>right before the season with I spoke to to d

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:50.320
<v Speaker 2>mac about it and he said that he kind of

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:52.680
<v Speaker 2>put it as a little bit of each Now, Bill

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 2>said at his retirement or something like that that I

0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:57.560
<v Speaker 2>don't remember exactly. Maybe it was that week that he

0:34:57.600 --> 0:35:00.760
<v Speaker 2>was asked about it or whatever, that they moved Devin

0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:04.480
<v Speaker 2>mccorty to safety ad and necessity because they didn't have

0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:08.320
<v Speaker 2>anybody back right. But Devin agreed that he was struggling

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 2>a little bit in his second it.

0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Was it was probably both, but again it's it's that

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:14.520
<v Speaker 1>thing where they knew third down running back. I wonder

0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:15.920
<v Speaker 1>if they were just like, we'll find it, because you

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:17.920
<v Speaker 1>look at under Bill. I mean, Kevin Folok was here

0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 1>when he got here, and then Danny Wood had Chane

0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:22.799
<v Speaker 1>Veren James White, I mean he was seamless. Yeah, it

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:25.319
<v Speaker 1>was absolutely seamless. And you always had a second guy too,

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:28.040
<v Speaker 1>a guy like a rex per kid. They knew what

0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:30.319
<v Speaker 1>this looked. They they've seen what this looks like when

0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:31.960
<v Speaker 1>you don't have a true free safety. Granted it was

0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:34.840
<v Speaker 1>ten years ago, probably closer to fifteen now at this

0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:35.680
<v Speaker 1>point actually.

0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:37.360
<v Speaker 2>But bombs away like Sunday.

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Right, they know they've seen it. So they yeah, it's

0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:43.319
<v Speaker 1>just it's it's puzzling to me. And they they knew

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:44.840
<v Speaker 1>at least a little bit again because they met with

0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:47.839
<v Speaker 1>Taylor Rapp, who would have been that guy. Yeah, so

0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 1>they knew they needed somebody in that role. It's the

0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:55.120
<v Speaker 1>same at tackle where they who was it from the

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:57.400
<v Speaker 1>the Eagles signed with the Titans. Why am I my blanky on?

0:35:57.400 --> 0:36:00.640
<v Speaker 1>His name? Andre Andre Dillard. They met with and Dillard

0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:04.320
<v Speaker 1>so you knew, we know, they know that it was

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:06.600
<v Speaker 1>at least somewhat of a need. Oh yeah, and they

0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:08.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't get the guy initially, and then that was just

0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 1>that they never addressed it again.

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:12.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean I was talking to people in January when

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:14.359
<v Speaker 2>we were at the Shrine Bowl that were saying, yeah,

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 2>we we know tackles in need, like so that's obvious,

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:20.880
<v Speaker 2>like all of us can see it. And they and

0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:23.840
<v Speaker 2>they brought in bodies at tackle, but bodies is not

0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:26.600
<v Speaker 2>is not solving the problem. They had bodies, they didn't

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 2>have anything above them, right, And and I think that

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:32.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, at safety, I don't I think that there's

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 2>a value in having some repetitive guys like Dugger and

0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Jabriel Peppers in this system because they play so much

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:41.480
<v Speaker 2>dime and they want to play guys in the box

0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:43.160
<v Speaker 2>like that and things like that. But then you have

0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:44.799
<v Speaker 2>to have the center fielder to be able to play

0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 2>those guys in the box right.

0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:48.520
<v Speaker 1>And the centerfielders is what allows you to do them right.

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:50.440
<v Speaker 2>And they just you know, that was the big thing

0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:54.200
<v Speaker 2>when I talked to mccordy, was he always said and

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:58.120
<v Speaker 2>and you know, he really identified for understandably for for

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:01.479
<v Speaker 2>you know they're they're all his buddies, but he really

0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 2>identified with like the Harman logan Ryan, you know that

0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:09.919
<v Speaker 2>secondary right, And when he said is you know when

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:12.239
<v Speaker 2>it was the game was on the line, when it

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:15.359
<v Speaker 2>was the money time in the fourth quarter, we knew

0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:17.880
<v Speaker 2>where we were all gonna be, Like we know, you know,

0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Chung was gonna be in the star I was gonna be.

0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 2>You know Robber probably Deron was playing center field. Like

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:27.560
<v Speaker 2>we knew where we were going. This defense they don't

0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:29.719
<v Speaker 2>know where they're going like they because they don't have

0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:34.400
<v Speaker 2>distinct roles. Everybody is overlapped and right. And so he

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:37.480
<v Speaker 2>said that like they knew I knew where I was

0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:39.319
<v Speaker 2>gonna be. They knew where we were gonna be, and

0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:43.319
<v Speaker 2>it worked. It'd fit together. This secondary in the back

0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:46.800
<v Speaker 2>end doesn't fit together. And you can add Marty Mapu

0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:49.440
<v Speaker 2>into that mix as well of playing him out of

0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:51.799
<v Speaker 2>position first of all, which I will never I will

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:52.480
<v Speaker 2>never let that go.

0:37:52.920 --> 0:37:55.000
<v Speaker 1>But we sat here he told me he was gonna

0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 1>be a linebacker.

0:37:55.960 --> 0:38:00.239
<v Speaker 2>I will never let that go. But regardless that this

0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 2>is this is where we're at with this team, is

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:06.880
<v Speaker 2>that they are constantly from a personnel standpoint they're constantly

0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:11.680
<v Speaker 2>chasing their tail now, like they're constantly one step behind

0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:16.040
<v Speaker 2>all these vacancies instead of one step ahead, but in

0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:20.120
<v Speaker 2>weird ways like they're they're ways ahead of the curve.

0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:23.840
<v Speaker 2>On guard, like they have like sixteen guards like cool,

0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:27.840
<v Speaker 2>So that position stocked right. Whether Mike on Winnu is

0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:30.360
<v Speaker 2>a part of their future or not, they have a guard.

0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Well he should be part of the future. Tackle that's

0:38:33.120 --> 0:38:34.360
<v Speaker 1>another conversation.

0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Another conversation. Yeah, and they so they have guys to

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:39.439
<v Speaker 2>replace on whnu if on whn who walks in free

0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:43.200
<v Speaker 2>agency and they that's what they used to do all

0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:46.000
<v Speaker 2>the time at every position. Though they used to have tackles,

0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:48.239
<v Speaker 2>they used to have, you know, safeties, they used to

0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:50.480
<v Speaker 2>have these players and they just they don't third down

0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:52.960
<v Speaker 2>running back. Like the fact that this team doesn't have

0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:55.360
<v Speaker 2>a true third down back or a scap back is

0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:56.319
<v Speaker 2>just wild.

0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Especially with the offensive line being the way it is.

0:38:58.400 --> 0:38:59.759
<v Speaker 1>And you need that guy to check down to.

0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Know how many times mac Jones is just sitting there

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:06.239
<v Speaker 2>waiting for Ramondre Stevenson to run a route and and

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:09.160
<v Speaker 2>Rimondre's got one on one with a linebacker and if

0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:11.920
<v Speaker 2>he had, if they had a real James White type

0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:14.839
<v Speaker 2>third down running back that that that would be those

0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:16.160
<v Speaker 2>would be easy first downs.

0:39:16.200 --> 0:39:19.359
<v Speaker 1>We took We took it for grant. You remember, like back

0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:23.719
<v Speaker 1>in the day, third and five, James White a little yeah,

0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:26.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, just a little kickout route catch balt to

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:29.200
<v Speaker 1>line of scrimmage. It's a linebacker between him and the sticks.

0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 1>And he every time, every time he got that first down. Yeah,

0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 1>made it look easy. Yeah, as did Danny would Head,

0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Shane Vereene.

0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:38.120
<v Speaker 2>Right, that's the thing is like if it was just

0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:40.799
<v Speaker 2>it's like Brady, like Brady was the only one that

0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:42.680
<v Speaker 2>that could play this offense at a high level. Right,

0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 2>But not to take anything away from James White, but

0:39:46.520 --> 0:39:49.000
<v Speaker 2>James White did it, Shane vereen did it, Danny Wood

0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:49.520
<v Speaker 2>had did it.

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:51.919
<v Speaker 1>Rex Burkhead even used to do it a little bit.

0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:56.720
<v Speaker 1>And they they proved they could get guys into that role. Yeah,

0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:59.080
<v Speaker 1>it's that's why it's different. That's why the wide receiver

0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:00.840
<v Speaker 1>thing is different to me than some these other positions.

0:40:01.320 --> 0:40:03.439
<v Speaker 1>We've seen them develop free safeties, we've seen them develop

0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:06.400
<v Speaker 1>ringing bets like that should have been and maybe that's

0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:08.760
<v Speaker 1>the downfall. Maybe it was they knew they could develop

0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:10.319
<v Speaker 1>those guys. So they were like, well, you.

0:40:10.239 --> 0:40:12.279
<v Speaker 2>Know, well I think that I think they drafted Pier

0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Strong and and they gave up May.

0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:16.279
<v Speaker 1>They gave up after he That's a guy that did

0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 1>what nineteen catches in his college career and they gave

0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:20.920
<v Speaker 1>up on him after one year. That's a that's not

0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:22.920
<v Speaker 1>much if that's your best effort, that's not much for an.

0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree, and time Montgomery is whatever. Yeah, all right,

0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:31.120
<v Speaker 2>last up here, as we just went down, ke On White.

0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:33.080
<v Speaker 2>All right, my last time he was ke On White.

0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:35.520
<v Speaker 2>I what I was really intrigued by in this game

0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:38.440
<v Speaker 2>from Kean White was his play recognition. It wasn't just

0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 2>like plays where he's a bowl in a china shop

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:42.480
<v Speaker 2>and he's just blowing things up.

0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:45.439
<v Speaker 2>The tackle for loss on the Jets sweep, I thought

0:40:45.520 --> 0:40:48.480
<v Speaker 2>was a real sign of growth for him. He played

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:51.920
<v Speaker 2>his edge, stayed disciplined, read out the play, made a

0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:56.080
<v Speaker 2>play behind the line of scrimmage that I think beginning

0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:58.360
<v Speaker 2>of the season Keon White might have just ran up

0:40:58.400 --> 0:41:01.680
<v Speaker 2>the field there and given up the edge. This this year,

0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:06.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, this version sees it makes the play. I

0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:08.160
<v Speaker 2>thought he was really good. Also had a hurry in

0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:11.319
<v Speaker 2>this game, made a stuff against the run on his

0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:13.920
<v Speaker 2>own scheme where he saw some of that range. The

0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:17.600
<v Speaker 2>one thing I'll say about Keon White really a good game,

0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:21.200
<v Speaker 2>impactful game. He's kind of a tweeener, and I still

0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:23.560
<v Speaker 2>think that they're kind of figured trying to figure out

0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:27.239
<v Speaker 2>where exactly they're gonna play him long term. Now, I

0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:31.080
<v Speaker 2>think the most obvious route is he's a stand up

0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:33.480
<v Speaker 2>guy on first down and then he's an interior guy

0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:36.120
<v Speaker 2>on second and third down. That's probably where we're headed

0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:40.759
<v Speaker 2>with that. But he's he's a tweener like I. He's

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:43.000
<v Speaker 2>a little bit big to play as a stand up

0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:46.520
<v Speaker 2>outside linebacker, but he's not quite powerful and big enough

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:49.480
<v Speaker 2>yet to play on the interior for all three downs.

0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:51.600
<v Speaker 2>But I think that they have something here with Keon White.

0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:54.600
<v Speaker 2>They just have to, you know, round him out a

0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:57.120
<v Speaker 2>little bit and figure out exactly where they're gonna play him.

0:41:57.360 --> 0:41:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I And that's something too that just comes to

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:02.680
<v Speaker 1>being a rookie. And you mentioned the tweenyer thing. They'll

0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:04.440
<v Speaker 1>they'll get him in the off season. They'll put him

0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:05.799
<v Speaker 1>on a weight plan, on a meal plan, on a

0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:07.680
<v Speaker 1>workout plan, whatever, and whether they want him to bulk

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:10.400
<v Speaker 1>up or they want him man like, they'll that that'll

0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:12.120
<v Speaker 1>happen in the off season. He'll come back next year,

0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:14.040
<v Speaker 1>I think, like fully fit into a role. So yeah,

0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:16.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm still excited about it. Look, I'm still excited about

0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 1>the draft class. Yeahs as kind of upside downs. The

0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:22.759
<v Speaker 1>season is gone. The flash we saw from Christian is

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:26.839
<v Speaker 1>also is very exciting. Yep, And it's not. It's it's

0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:28.239
<v Speaker 1>different with a guy who was like a knee or

0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:29.839
<v Speaker 1>an ankle right where you're like, is he gonna come

0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:33.080
<v Speaker 1>back and move the same? Like, Yeah, it's relative not

0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:35.239
<v Speaker 1>to I'm sure that there's a massive rehab process and

0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:37.840
<v Speaker 1>he's working through. But you get what I'm saying, right, Yea, Yeah,

0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:40.560
<v Speaker 1>ke On Whites looked good. My third up. I know

0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:42.680
<v Speaker 1>you said you had nobody on offense, I've won. Yeah,

0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:45.600
<v Speaker 1>and it's I don't know if it's necessarily him playing well,

0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:49.560
<v Speaker 1>it's something I saw. It's to Mario Douglas and on

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:54.200
<v Speaker 1>the Kendrick Bourne touchdown, two defenders go with Tomoro Douglas.

0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:57.839
<v Speaker 2>It was a coverage bust, but no, not bad. No

0:42:57.880 --> 0:43:00.879
<v Speaker 2>coverage bust Whitey bust. Why because that's the guy they're

0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:02.920
<v Speaker 2>looking they messed up. That's the guy they're looking at.

0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:04.719
<v Speaker 2>There were other instances in the game too, like he

0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 2>was getting doubled during the game. I didn't see it.

0:43:06.840 --> 0:43:08.319
<v Speaker 1>He was getting double during he saw it.

0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:11.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm just telling you, Like I I talked to him

0:43:11.880 --> 0:43:13.400
<v Speaker 2>about it after the game too, And.

0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:15.640
<v Speaker 1>I didn't you see on the on the screens, teams

0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:17.560
<v Speaker 1>are keying in on him like he's a guy. Defenses

0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:18.319
<v Speaker 1>are starting to key on.

0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:21.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't disagree with that. And and that Kendrick Bourne

0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:22.960
<v Speaker 2>touchdown is it was a buzz.

0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:25.160
<v Speaker 1>He's he's a guy, all right, Great, disagree he's a guy.

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Defenses are starting to key in on. Yeah, And I

0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:30.640
<v Speaker 1>think we had that whole conversation over the off seas

0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:35.359
<v Speaker 1>about the coverage dictating player. He's hardly DeAndre Hopkins, but yeah,

0:43:35.800 --> 0:43:37.440
<v Speaker 1>when's the last time they had a guy that defense

0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:39.360
<v Speaker 1>is kind of, especially a rookie at defense, Like, no,

0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:41.080
<v Speaker 1>we might want to take a look at this guy.

0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:42.560
<v Speaker 1>So I agree, Now, how does he build off it?

0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:44.200
<v Speaker 1>He has to still be able to produce when he

0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:47.200
<v Speaker 1>gets this kind of attention. But that's a sign of

0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:49.839
<v Speaker 1>an NFL like where it's not that told me it's

0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:52.000
<v Speaker 1>not just us seeing this guy and being like, oh

0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:54.440
<v Speaker 1>my god, it's the first receiver they've drafted years who's producing.

0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:56.960
<v Speaker 1>This is great. The Miami Dolphins coaching staff saw what

0:43:56.960 --> 0:43:58.920
<v Speaker 1>he was doing on tape and said, this guy when

0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:01.719
<v Speaker 1>he pays some attention to and that maybe not for

0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:03.520
<v Speaker 1>this year, maybe this is more long term take, but

0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:06.200
<v Speaker 1>I think that's something worth being a little excited about.

0:44:06.280 --> 0:44:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think what's what's most It doesn't.

0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:09.400
<v Speaker 1>Mean they have their one. Sorry, it doesn't mean they

0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:12.840
<v Speaker 1>have their one one of the future. But if he's

0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:15.359
<v Speaker 1>like this is I was talking to some people about

0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:15.880
<v Speaker 1>this the other day.

0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:17.880
<v Speaker 2>If he's like Wes Welker and then you have Randy

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:20.319
<v Speaker 2>Moss on the outside, then like you already kind of

0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:21.040
<v Speaker 2>checked that box.

0:44:21.320 --> 0:44:23.879
<v Speaker 1>So let's say let's say they go out to let's

0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:26.239
<v Speaker 1>say they resigned Kendrick Bourne, right, and he's healthy and

0:44:26.280 --> 0:44:27.719
<v Speaker 1>there's some ifs here, but let's say they go out

0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:31.600
<v Speaker 1>resign Kenrick Born, he's healthy, to Mario Douglas continues to

0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:34.239
<v Speaker 1>go on this track, and then they go out and

0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 1>get to d DeAndre Hopkins equivalent is obviously, so it

0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:39.680
<v Speaker 1>could be Higgins, it could be Marvin Harrison Junior, whatever, right. Yeah,

0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:43.279
<v Speaker 1>so you have that guy as your ex, you have

0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Kendrick Bourne as you zy, and you have Toamorrow Douglas

0:44:46.080 --> 0:44:46.440
<v Speaker 1>in slot.

0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:50.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's pretty good. Yeah, no, I I I'm that

0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:53.560
<v Speaker 2>would be the top half of the league wide receiver group.

0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:55.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, depends on who they get as the

0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:55.719
<v Speaker 1>number one guy.

0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:56.719
<v Speaker 5>T T.

0:44:56.840 --> 0:45:00.279
<v Speaker 2>Higgins, maybe Marvin Harrison Junior. I have this see it

0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 2>from T Higgins without Jamar Chase first to be like

0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:03.160
<v Speaker 2>that's fair.

0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, who else? I'm trying to think who else?

0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:07.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like, if it's like T. Higgins or Jerry

0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:11.480
<v Speaker 2>Judy or I think you're still prove it mode. If

0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:14.080
<v Speaker 2>it's Marvin Harrison Junior, then as much as it's crazy

0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:15.719
<v Speaker 2>for me to say, like this guy that's never played

0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:16.600
<v Speaker 2>in the NFL, but.

0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 1>No, I Marvin Harrison or is completely I think I

0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:22.640
<v Speaker 1>said this to you last year. If Marvin Harrison Junior

0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:23.759
<v Speaker 1>is in the NFL right now, he'd be a top

0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:26.319
<v Speaker 1>twenty receiver. I think he'd be higher. I think he's

0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:29.080
<v Speaker 1>a complete unicorn, like right now, like this version of him,

0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:31.000
<v Speaker 1>you'd think he'd be. I'll give you that. I'm fine

0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:32.160
<v Speaker 1>with that. You want to say top fifteen.

0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:34.560
<v Speaker 2>All I know is I watched I actually watched a

0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:36.919
<v Speaker 2>little bit of a college game. I watched a little

0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:39.239
<v Speaker 2>bit of that Ohio State Penn State game. He was

0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:40.320
<v Speaker 2>the best player on the field.

0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:42.680
<v Speaker 1>And I'll tell you this, the corner that was covering him, yeah,

0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:44.040
<v Speaker 1>is a projected top twenty pick.

0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:44.320
<v Speaker 3>He was.

0:45:44.360 --> 0:45:45.320
<v Speaker 1>So that's an NFL.

0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:49.120
<v Speaker 2>He was the best player on the field and it

0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:51.719
<v Speaker 2>wasn't particularly close. And he was on the field with

0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:54.160
<v Speaker 2>like twenty other people.

0:45:53.920 --> 0:45:56.080
<v Speaker 1>That I mean, the guy that was covering him is

0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:58.680
<v Speaker 1>going to be yeah, probably second corner off the board. Yeah,

0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:02.040
<v Speaker 1>he's so yeah. So all right, so Marvin Harrison junior

0:46:02.120 --> 0:46:04.399
<v Speaker 1>to Mario Douglass, a healthy Kendric Born, Yeah, top half

0:46:04.440 --> 0:46:05.239
<v Speaker 1>of the league. Yeah.

0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:07.359
<v Speaker 2>And then everybody that just heard you say, that's gonna

0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:08.400
<v Speaker 2>say who's playing quarterback?

0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:13.080
<v Speaker 1>Which fair, But whoever is, whoever is, is going to

0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:15.239
<v Speaker 1>have an easier time than the guy right now.

0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Shocker, you can make it easier on the quarterback.

0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:19.400
<v Speaker 1>I thought, well, no, that's a dirty thing, don't you

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:22.840
<v Speaker 1>dare say you should get the quarterback help? No, because

0:46:22.880 --> 0:46:25.200
<v Speaker 1>that means he's not good. He should do all this.

0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:28.640
<v Speaker 1>We all know. Lamar Jackson was just cast to the

0:46:28.760 --> 0:46:31.120
<v Speaker 1>cast to the wind by the Ravens and the Bills

0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:33.840
<v Speaker 1>just threw Josh Allen in the deep end with absolutely

0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:35.960
<v Speaker 1>no help and all of that. There's one guy in

0:46:36.000 --> 0:46:38.920
<v Speaker 1>this league that's got no help, and that's Patrick Mahomes

0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:41.160
<v Speaker 1>and he's having whatever the opposite of a career year is.

0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:43.400
<v Speaker 1>So what does that tell you?

0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:46.120
<v Speaker 2>He all, says Taylor Swift's boyfriend. So you got that going?

0:46:46.160 --> 0:46:46.279
<v Speaker 3>Well?

0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:48.960
<v Speaker 1>When she shows up, you've seen those splits? I have

0:46:49.200 --> 0:46:50.120
<v Speaker 1>you've seen those splits?

0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:51.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, come on, you show out in front of

0:46:51.960 --> 0:46:52.279
<v Speaker 2>the girl.

0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:55.680
<v Speaker 1>That's obvious, but look like again getting getting the quarterback. Help.

0:46:55.719 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 1>You gotta start bringing Taylor Swift on the road. You

0:46:57.680 --> 0:46:59.400
<v Speaker 1>want to help out Patrick Mahomes.

0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:00.120
<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe let's stay you.

0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:03.880
<v Speaker 1>So here's the thing about that. We know Taylor Swift

0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:07.000
<v Speaker 1>loves Challette Stadium, right, she's favorite here, and let's Sadium

0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:10.360
<v Speaker 1>loves Taylor Swift obviously sold out like I would. I

0:47:10.360 --> 0:47:14.279
<v Speaker 1>would say, a logical candidate to ring the bell. But

0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:16.239
<v Speaker 1>if she's wearing cheef s gears, she can't do it.

0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:21.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, yeah she's not, so she won't be here.

0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:24.200
<v Speaker 2>But but but we've had we've had some advanced scouts

0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:27.719
<v Speaker 2>on this and apparently that is a weekend off on

0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:30.960
<v Speaker 2>said European tour. Oh so she could take the PJ

0:47:31.280 --> 0:47:34.040
<v Speaker 2>from you know, wherever she is in Europe to to Fox.

0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:36.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying the two artists, and they're not like

0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:38.680
<v Speaker 1>on similar planes as arts, but the two artists that

0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:41.240
<v Speaker 1>like identify with your Lett Stadium the most are Kenny

0:47:41.280 --> 0:47:44.360
<v Speaker 1>Chesney No Shoes Nation Right, was born here and Taylor Swift.

0:47:44.560 --> 0:47:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Chesney rang it. Yeah, she's not ringing the bell should

0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:52.719
<v Speaker 1>maybe not this year, but it should be considered. I'm

0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:54.759
<v Speaker 1>not even and I'm not like that over that. You're

0:47:54.800 --> 0:47:56.880
<v Speaker 1>much bigger Taylor Swift fan than I am Taylor. But

0:47:56.880 --> 0:47:58.640
<v Speaker 1>it would be cool she ring. I do. I do

0:47:58.840 --> 0:47:59.240
<v Speaker 1>like her.

0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:02.960
<v Speaker 2>She's good, like great, great, playing music great, like you know,

0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:06.399
<v Speaker 2>need to decompress music. Just I do like Taylor Swift.

0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:10.080
<v Speaker 2>All right, three downs here. We've already talked a lot

0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:12.359
<v Speaker 2>about my first down, so I won't I won't rag.

0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:15.000
<v Speaker 2>I won't rag on Mac Jones anymore than I already have.

0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:19.959
<v Speaker 2>I will say this though, you know, there's just there's

0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:22.160
<v Speaker 2>too many plays that he's leaving on the field. There's

0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:24.840
<v Speaker 2>just regardless of all the there's a ton of issues

0:48:24.840 --> 0:48:28.000
<v Speaker 2>with this offense. There's issues at the receiver room, routes,

0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:32.759
<v Speaker 2>things like that. I once again am questioning what the

0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:35.520
<v Speaker 2>hell they're being coached by Troy Brown, Like, I'm sorry,

0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:37.440
<v Speaker 2>but this is just year in and year out, it's

0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:40.879
<v Speaker 2>the same thing. Offensive line, you know, all of it, right,

0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:43.200
<v Speaker 2>But at the end of the day, the quarterback's got

0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:45.160
<v Speaker 2>to make some plays. There's plays to be made on

0:48:45.200 --> 0:48:48.880
<v Speaker 2>this film. I thought the interception was one of his

0:48:48.960 --> 0:48:52.319
<v Speaker 2>worst plays in a couple of weeks. Just I know

0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:54.640
<v Speaker 2>the one in Vegas was pretty bad too, but this

0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:56.800
<v Speaker 2>one was right up there is in terms of bad

0:48:57.160 --> 0:49:02.279
<v Speaker 2>just late back foot noodle, like just come on, like,

0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:05.040
<v Speaker 2>we gotta be better than that. Uh So, I would

0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:08.799
<v Speaker 2>say mac Jones is my my first down, but obviously

0:49:09.080 --> 0:49:12.319
<v Speaker 2>I still I still stand with the context on it,

0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:13.600
<v Speaker 2>but he's my first down.

0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:21.319
<v Speaker 1>I the that interception is tough because I I well that,

0:49:21.440 --> 0:49:24.359
<v Speaker 1>but also like Kendrick Bourne's open I know there's been

0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:26.840
<v Speaker 1>some debate about that. I don't think it's a bad

0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:30.399
<v Speaker 1>how do I put this, Throwing the ball to Kendrick

0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Born in that spot is not a bad decision. The

0:49:32.800 --> 0:49:35.200
<v Speaker 1>to throw a touch pass in that spot is the

0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:35.840
<v Speaker 1>bad DESI.

0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:37.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he threw a touch pass. I think

0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:38.399
<v Speaker 2>that's that right.

0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:40.320
<v Speaker 1>So that's the question, like was it was it? And

0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:42.399
<v Speaker 1>that's where I go. And that's what he said after it,

0:49:42.280 --> 0:49:44.160
<v Speaker 1>it was a bad throw, like, yeah, he saw Kendrick

0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:47.000
<v Speaker 1>was open. That ball needs to be on Kendrick Bourne's

0:49:47.000 --> 0:49:50.840
<v Speaker 1>outside shoulder. It needs to be earlier, earlier outside shoulder,

0:49:50.920 --> 0:49:52.600
<v Speaker 1>back shoulder kind of thing, and said he leads him

0:49:52.640 --> 0:49:54.640
<v Speaker 1>up the side and look, Jaylen Ramsey makes a great play.

0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Most corners just break that play up. I don't know

0:49:56.880 --> 0:49:59.080
<v Speaker 1>how many corners picked that ball off. Yeah, in the

0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:02.520
<v Speaker 1>way Jayalen Ramsey. But it's a throw I've seen him make.

0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:04.279
<v Speaker 1>It's a throw I know he can make. But he

0:50:04.480 --> 0:50:07.640
<v Speaker 1>just didn't. And it's that's what's it's the consistency thing.

0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:10.680
<v Speaker 1>That's what's frustrating. Because Kendrick Bourne is open on that play.

0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:13.960
<v Speaker 2>I agree, he's open, it's late. His feet are a mess,

0:50:14.360 --> 0:50:17.600
<v Speaker 2>The fake is horrible, The route wasn't great, Like I

0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:19.640
<v Speaker 2>think Kendrick Bourne could have been available to him a

0:50:19.640 --> 0:50:22.880
<v Speaker 2>little bit sooner, which would have helped. But it just

0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:25.720
<v Speaker 2>overall in general, just a whole like there was probably

0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:28.920
<v Speaker 2>ten plays wrong, ten things wrong on that play and

0:50:28.960 --> 0:50:31.960
<v Speaker 2>it just well designed. And I think that if you're

0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:34.360
<v Speaker 2>Billy O'Brien, like that's got to be the most frustrating

0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:36.960
<v Speaker 2>part about it is that's one hundred and ten percent

0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:41.040
<v Speaker 2>a game planned play, like they they ran that play,

0:50:41.760 --> 0:50:45.000
<v Speaker 2>that practiced it all week from that down in distance

0:50:45.080 --> 0:50:47.239
<v Speaker 2>thinking it was gonna work right like that. That's one

0:50:47.280 --> 0:50:49.080
<v Speaker 2>of those plays that you come into the game with

0:50:49.320 --> 0:50:50.879
<v Speaker 2>and you're like, when we need to pull it out,

0:50:50.920 --> 0:50:52.560
<v Speaker 2>like this is what we're gonna run from the high

0:50:52.600 --> 0:50:55.840
<v Speaker 2>red area, and it just was a complete abomination the

0:50:55.920 --> 0:50:56.440
<v Speaker 2>whole play.

0:50:56.560 --> 0:50:56.879
<v Speaker 1>All right.

0:50:56.920 --> 0:51:00.399
<v Speaker 2>So Mac Jones number one, number two, you here.

0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:04.840
<v Speaker 1>I hate J C. Jackson, just j C. Jackson.

0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:08.960
<v Speaker 2>I hate I said, I hate putting him there as

0:51:09.000 --> 0:51:14.719
<v Speaker 2>a down because in some respects he got got by

0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:17.680
<v Speaker 2>two of the best receivers in football a couple of times,

0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:21.400
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of it is just Tyree Kills. This

0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:23.799
<v Speaker 2>the best player on the planet right now. I really

0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:25.560
<v Speaker 2>think that. I think Tyree kill is the best player

0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:30.279
<v Speaker 2>in football. And if I was a voter, and I'm not,

0:51:30.400 --> 0:51:33.239
<v Speaker 2>but they should let me vote on MVP someday, I

0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:36.520
<v Speaker 2>would be voting for Tyreek Kill. So far, now there's

0:51:36.520 --> 0:51:39.480
<v Speaker 2>a seventeenth game, so that's a that's a factor here.

0:51:40.040 --> 0:51:43.000
<v Speaker 2>But barring injury, he's going to be the first two

0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:45.879
<v Speaker 2>thousand yard receiver in the history of the NFL. Yeah,

0:51:45.920 --> 0:51:48.080
<v Speaker 2>and he's going to do it by like one hundred

0:51:48.080 --> 0:51:48.799
<v Speaker 2>and fifty yards.

0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:50.520
<v Speaker 1>So he might do it in sixteen.

0:51:50.600 --> 0:51:53.440
<v Speaker 2>So he might do it in sixteen games, exactly. He

0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:57.120
<v Speaker 2>is the most unstoppable force in the league. That being said,

0:51:58.000 --> 0:52:01.400
<v Speaker 2>the bad eye on the on the touchdown on the

0:52:01.400 --> 0:52:03.880
<v Speaker 2>forty two yard or was awful. You know, just looking

0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:07.120
<v Speaker 2>in the backfield, peaking in the backfield against that guy

0:52:07.640 --> 0:52:09.720
<v Speaker 2>if he if he hands it off on the jet sweep,

0:52:09.960 --> 0:52:11.680
<v Speaker 2>then come up and make the tackle. And if you

0:52:11.680 --> 0:52:13.319
<v Speaker 2>give up ten yards on the jet sweep, you give

0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:15.279
<v Speaker 2>up ten yards on the jets sweep. The last thing

0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:17.080
<v Speaker 2>that you can do is give up a forty two

0:52:17.160 --> 0:52:20.319
<v Speaker 2>yard touchdown, right, Like, that's that's way worse than just

0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:22.520
<v Speaker 2>like sitting back and then coming up and making the

0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:24.520
<v Speaker 2>tackle and maybe giving up some yards on the jet

0:52:24.600 --> 0:52:25.919
<v Speaker 2>jet you know, jet motion.

0:52:26.840 --> 0:52:27.960
<v Speaker 1>That was a horrible play.

0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Jalen Wattall spun him around like a top on that

0:52:31.280 --> 0:52:34.320
<v Speaker 2>blaze out that was that was yikes. A couple penalties,

0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:35.719
<v Speaker 2>I know, the one in the end zone was a

0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:38.960
<v Speaker 2>little ticky tack, but Jersey tug is gonna get called

0:52:38.960 --> 0:52:39.520
<v Speaker 2>in this league.

0:52:39.560 --> 0:52:39.719
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:52:39.800 --> 0:52:42.560
<v Speaker 2>That's just the bottom line with that. He had a

0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:44.680
<v Speaker 2>couple of run plays too where he was like the

0:52:44.680 --> 0:52:49.160
<v Speaker 2>crack force and just didn't like, didn't didn't replace the edge.

0:52:49.440 --> 0:52:52.040
<v Speaker 2>That was rough, rough game for JC. I will give

0:52:52.120 --> 0:52:54.080
<v Speaker 2>him this though. He was very accountable about it after

0:52:54.120 --> 0:52:56.799
<v Speaker 2>the game, made no excuses. Wouldn't let us talk, you know,

0:52:56.960 --> 0:52:59.080
<v Speaker 2>talk him into making excuses about the refs.

0:52:59.560 --> 0:53:00.520
<v Speaker 1>He was, he was.

0:53:00.719 --> 0:53:02.560
<v Speaker 2>He owned it and I'll give him that. So it's

0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:05.120
<v Speaker 2>not like the rag on him too much. But yeah,

0:53:05.160 --> 0:53:06.279
<v Speaker 2>he's got to be on the down list.

0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:11.520
<v Speaker 1>So I had the defensive coaching staff just because they

0:53:11.600 --> 0:53:14.440
<v Speaker 1>had I kind of liked the game plan. But they

0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:18.319
<v Speaker 1>you did, Yeah, yeah, I did. They had a game

0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:19.959
<v Speaker 1>plan that worked in week two.

0:53:20.239 --> 0:53:23.319
<v Speaker 2>No, it didn't. Where this notion that that game plan worked.

0:53:23.360 --> 0:53:25.879
<v Speaker 1>They allowed fewer points. Tyreek Hill was less productive, Jaalen

0:53:25.880 --> 0:53:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Wall was less productive. How is this game plan better

0:53:27.920 --> 0:53:28.440
<v Speaker 1>when they gave up?

0:53:29.920 --> 0:53:31.520
<v Speaker 2>Because at least they stood toe to toe in the

0:53:31.520 --> 0:53:32.360
<v Speaker 2>middle of the ring.

0:53:32.320 --> 0:53:36.520
<v Speaker 1>If if if Jonathan, they didn't. They allowed two hundred

0:53:36.520 --> 0:53:37.840
<v Speaker 1>and fifty yards to two guys.

0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, they had an interception. They got him on an

0:53:40.960 --> 0:53:43.520
<v Speaker 2>interception week two. Yeah, but on it not in like

0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:46.640
<v Speaker 2>the same like part of the field like this game.

0:53:46.880 --> 0:53:49.520
<v Speaker 2>I I give them credit the last two weeks one

0:53:49.560 --> 0:53:51.799
<v Speaker 2>hundred defensively, they stood in the middle of the ring

0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:55.120
<v Speaker 2>against Josh Allen in to a they tried to fight,

0:53:55.280 --> 0:53:59.560
<v Speaker 2>they tried to I know, Okay, okay, let's play prevent

0:53:59.640 --> 0:54:00.920
<v Speaker 2>defense to not get burned.

0:54:00.960 --> 0:54:03.640
<v Speaker 1>This this felt like prevent defense, all soft. It was

0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:06.080
<v Speaker 1>all soft covered, totally wrong. And here's what I don't get.

0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:09.120
<v Speaker 1>Why is Jonathan Jones not covering Tyreek Hill because he's hurt,

0:54:09.920 --> 0:54:11.360
<v Speaker 1>but so he can cover Jalen Waddle.

0:54:11.600 --> 0:54:13.960
<v Speaker 2>I think that he I think he was limited in

0:54:14.000 --> 0:54:14.319
<v Speaker 2>this game.

0:54:14.400 --> 0:54:16.440
<v Speaker 1>I it just it. I think he had at least

0:54:16.440 --> 0:54:17.640
<v Speaker 1>give him a shot. At a certain point.

0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:17.960
<v Speaker 6>J C.

0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Jackson couldn't do it. Miles Bryant stopped putting Miles Bryan

0:54:21.120 --> 0:54:23.440
<v Speaker 1>on fast receivers, right, I.

0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Honestly have, like Jack Jones, Jonathan Jones give him a shot.

0:54:26.760 --> 0:54:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Jack Jones actually ended up covering Tyreek Kill more than j.

0:54:29.760 --> 0:54:34.040
<v Speaker 1>C because they had to take Jac off of him. Maybe,

0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:36.400
<v Speaker 1>I just I don't understated if Jonathan Jones healthy enough

0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:37.920
<v Speaker 1>to be out there, you gotta give him shot on

0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Tyrek Hill, that's the guy. That's the guy for six

0:54:40.719 --> 0:54:43.240
<v Speaker 1>or seven. I just I it all felt very soft.

0:54:43.360 --> 0:54:45.520
<v Speaker 1>It all, this one felt it very preventy to me.

0:54:45.680 --> 0:54:47.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, they played a ton of man coverage in

0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:50.319
<v Speaker 2>this game. They played like forty five percent of their

0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:50.919
<v Speaker 2>downs and men.

0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:52.760
<v Speaker 1>Cou but it saw it. They were all They're playing

0:54:52.800 --> 0:54:55.000
<v Speaker 1>off maybe a little bit. We talked. We talked about

0:54:55.000 --> 0:54:57.080
<v Speaker 1>this on the show Evan leading in the game. They

0:54:57.080 --> 0:54:58.560
<v Speaker 1>need to get up, they need to depress, they need

0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:01.000
<v Speaker 1>to be physical receivers, give the past rush of chance.

0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:02.920
<v Speaker 2>I think they did. I think they blitzed a lot

0:55:02.960 --> 0:55:04.960
<v Speaker 2>in this game. They had like a forty five percent

0:55:04.960 --> 0:55:07.640
<v Speaker 2>blitz right on Tua. They played like fifty percent man

0:55:07.640 --> 0:55:08.439
<v Speaker 2>coverage in this game.

0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:10.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking. I'm talking about they tried.

0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:13.040
<v Speaker 2>I just think that the Dolphins receivers are better and

0:55:13.040 --> 0:55:13.840
<v Speaker 2>they just got burned.

0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:15.200
<v Speaker 1>When I'm saying I don't like the game plan, I'm

0:55:15.200 --> 0:55:17.080
<v Speaker 1>talking about specifically in the secondary, I'm fine with that

0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:17.840
<v Speaker 1>they did upfront.

0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:21.960
<v Speaker 2>I just think they they played too safe in the secondary.

0:55:22.160 --> 0:55:24.759
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I don't know, I think they didn't play safe enough.

0:55:24.960 --> 0:55:28.120
<v Speaker 2>Like you know, they're they're getting pulled up by eye

0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:30.160
<v Speaker 2>candy and stuff like that in the backfield and giving

0:55:30.239 --> 0:55:32.520
<v Speaker 2>up forty two yard touchdowns like on quarters, like it's

0:55:32.560 --> 0:55:35.160
<v Speaker 2>quarters coverage, Like you can't give up the deep part

0:55:35.200 --> 0:55:37.040
<v Speaker 2>of the field in quarters you have four guys across

0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:37.839
<v Speaker 2>the deep part of the field.

0:55:37.920 --> 0:55:39.960
<v Speaker 1>I just think they're trying to get guys to run with,

0:55:39.960 --> 0:55:40.960
<v Speaker 1>guys that weren't gonna run with.

0:55:41.560 --> 0:55:45.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't disagree to an extent, I guess with that,

0:55:45.360 --> 0:55:47.120
<v Speaker 2>but like at the same time, I don't know what

0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:48.640
<v Speaker 2>choice that they have. These are the guys that they

0:55:48.640 --> 0:55:51.719
<v Speaker 2>have available to them, and playing like they did in

0:55:51.760 --> 0:55:55.359
<v Speaker 2>Week two looked good on the scoreboard, like that they

0:55:55.360 --> 0:55:57.640
<v Speaker 2>only gave up twenty four points, But when you really

0:55:57.680 --> 0:56:00.839
<v Speaker 2>think about it, the Dolphins missed field goals in that

0:56:00.880 --> 0:56:03.879
<v Speaker 2>game to a tripped all over himself on third down

0:56:03.880 --> 0:56:05.759
<v Speaker 2>in the red zone, and that's why they forced a

0:56:05.800 --> 0:56:06.160
<v Speaker 2>field goal.

0:56:06.239 --> 0:56:08.360
<v Speaker 1>Tripped all over himself in this game, fumbled the first

0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:09.600
<v Speaker 1>on the first drive of the second half.

0:56:09.680 --> 0:56:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they they competed. I thought in this game

0:56:12.400 --> 0:56:14.160
<v Speaker 2>for most of the first half.

0:56:15.120 --> 0:56:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Really the only time that they when you're giving, when

0:56:17.239 --> 0:56:19.720
<v Speaker 1>you give up, when you have third and fourteen twice

0:56:20.080 --> 0:56:22.680
<v Speaker 1>and you give a first down both times giving.

0:56:22.800 --> 0:56:26.359
<v Speaker 2>Because because they missed tackles and they like that, like

0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:28.560
<v Speaker 2>all that type of stuff to me was like execution,

0:56:28.840 --> 0:56:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Like they they missed tackles. Your Gelanti Tavai like has

0:56:32.360 --> 0:56:34.520
<v Speaker 2>uh what's his name? They're they're running back like in

0:56:34.560 --> 0:56:36.680
<v Speaker 2>the flat on the screen and he just misses the tackle,

0:56:36.920 --> 0:56:41.600
<v Speaker 2>like I don't know, you know. I I commend the

0:56:41.640 --> 0:56:45.600
<v Speaker 2>defensive coaches the last two weeks. They have played Miami

0:56:45.680 --> 0:56:49.240
<v Speaker 2>in Buffalo. For the past couple of seasons really mostly

0:56:49.320 --> 0:56:52.520
<v Speaker 2>last year with Miami obviously, but the last couple of

0:56:52.560 --> 0:56:57.640
<v Speaker 2>years they've played Buffalo specifically, just don't beat us, like

0:56:57.760 --> 0:57:01.000
<v Speaker 2>can't like surrender the Buffalo game planners better. It was

0:57:01.000 --> 0:57:02.680
<v Speaker 2>the same game plan, That's what I'm telling you. Like

0:57:02.719 --> 0:57:05.319
<v Speaker 2>they played it's a different team, but they played the

0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:07.600
<v Speaker 2>same coverages like they play. They tried the same things

0:57:08.080 --> 0:57:09.480
<v Speaker 2>and they just got burnt.

0:57:09.760 --> 0:57:12.920
<v Speaker 1>But it's a very different team to defend Miami is

0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:14.440
<v Speaker 1>than Buffalo. I don't disagree.

0:57:14.560 --> 0:57:17.560
<v Speaker 2>I just I would much rather than go down swinging

0:57:17.800 --> 0:57:21.520
<v Speaker 2>than than played three deep safety prevent like they did

0:57:21.680 --> 0:57:22.320
<v Speaker 2>in Week two.

0:57:22.960 --> 0:57:25.680
<v Speaker 1>I think they if Jonathan Jones were certain, then they

0:57:25.760 --> 0:57:28.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of had to do that. I see. We we

0:57:28.400 --> 0:57:30.440
<v Speaker 1>talked on the show last week. Get up, press them,

0:57:30.680 --> 0:57:33.760
<v Speaker 1>get physical, make them get off the line, and see

0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:35.840
<v Speaker 1>if you can get to Tua. Well, while these guys

0:57:35.840 --> 0:57:38.040
<v Speaker 1>are trying to get off line, they did none of that.

0:57:38.040 --> 0:57:39.600
<v Speaker 1>That was the kind of aggression I wanted to see

0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:39.920
<v Speaker 1>from them.

0:57:39.960 --> 0:57:43.320
<v Speaker 2>They tried. They did the first first drive of the game.

0:57:43.360 --> 0:57:45.240
<v Speaker 2>They played a repid two man That's what got them

0:57:45.280 --> 0:57:48.240
<v Speaker 2>off the field. That was good to see. Look, I

0:57:48.240 --> 0:57:51.040
<v Speaker 2>think in this Shanahan and you know McDaniel's scheme, what

0:57:51.040 --> 0:57:53.200
<v Speaker 2>what makes what makes it so difficult is all the

0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:54.160
<v Speaker 2>motion that they use.

0:57:54.520 --> 0:57:55.920
<v Speaker 1>So if you're gonna you know you're playing, I mean,

0:57:56.080 --> 0:57:59.240
<v Speaker 1>they can't handle that motion. And that's another conversation most

0:57:59.280 --> 0:58:00.240
<v Speaker 1>teams can't, right, Like.

0:58:00.200 --> 0:58:02.560
<v Speaker 2>If you're playing man coverage and then they bring the

0:58:02.600 --> 0:58:05.840
<v Speaker 2>receiver in motion, you can't press the receiver anymore, right, So,

0:58:06.320 --> 0:58:07.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, those are the things that they do, and

0:58:07.960 --> 0:58:10.440
<v Speaker 2>they do a good job of it. And I just

0:58:11.120 --> 0:58:13.840
<v Speaker 2>like I said, I understand where you're coming from. That

0:58:13.840 --> 0:58:16.880
<v Speaker 2>that it in terms of the production, this game plan

0:58:17.240 --> 0:58:19.640
<v Speaker 2>looks worse than the week two game plan. But in

0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:22.560
<v Speaker 2>week two, what I saw was a team that was

0:58:22.840 --> 0:58:26.439
<v Speaker 2>basically just like dying not to lose, right, Like they're

0:58:26.440 --> 0:58:29.280
<v Speaker 2>playing not to lose. And in this game, I think

0:58:29.280 --> 0:58:32.760
<v Speaker 2>they at least went down swinging. They lost, they got beat,

0:58:33.160 --> 0:58:35.320
<v Speaker 2>but they went down swinging. And I would also say,

0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:37.520
<v Speaker 2>if they don't bust the coverage on the jail and

0:58:37.560 --> 0:58:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Wattle touchdown at the end of the game, like, how

0:58:40.000 --> 0:58:40.520
<v Speaker 2>does it look?

0:58:40.600 --> 0:58:43.920
<v Speaker 1>That's right? Well, So to go back to the original point, coaching,

0:58:44.800 --> 0:58:47.520
<v Speaker 1>defensive coaching down didn't know what they were looking at

0:58:47.560 --> 0:58:49.080
<v Speaker 1>on that play. That's a coaching thing. Got to get

0:58:49.120 --> 0:58:49.720
<v Speaker 1>them ready for that.

0:58:49.800 --> 0:58:51.920
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean they they had been switching it

0:58:51.960 --> 0:58:53.680
<v Speaker 2>all again. I just they didn't let me. Let me

0:58:53.720 --> 0:58:57.760
<v Speaker 2>put the defense didn't look prepared. Oh really with the

0:58:57.840 --> 0:59:00.440
<v Speaker 2>motion stuff I'm saying, Oh, I think they did on

0:59:00.600 --> 0:59:03.120
<v Speaker 2>fourth down, like the first fourth down of the game

0:59:03.120 --> 0:59:04.560
<v Speaker 2>that they went for. It is like fourth and one.

0:59:04.600 --> 0:59:08.200
<v Speaker 2>They were too many in jo was just an excellent J. C.

0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:10.360
<v Speaker 1>Jackson coming up towards the line of scrimmage on the

0:59:10.360 --> 0:59:14.280
<v Speaker 1>Tyreek Hill touchdown. Yeah, the getting beat on the Jalen

0:59:14.360 --> 0:59:16.240
<v Speaker 1>Wata went Tyrek Hill said it after the game that

0:59:16.280 --> 0:59:18.880
<v Speaker 1>they knew they were going to key in on certain

0:59:18.920 --> 0:59:21.040
<v Speaker 1>things and if they recognized him king in on slants

0:59:21.040 --> 0:59:22.840
<v Speaker 1>and in cuts, they could beat him over the top.

0:59:22.880 --> 0:59:25.479
<v Speaker 1>And they did that multiple times. I guess yeah.

0:59:25.600 --> 0:59:27.520
<v Speaker 2>I just I think they had a good plan coming

0:59:27.560 --> 0:59:31.120
<v Speaker 2>into this game, and then I think unfortunately the execution

0:59:31.360 --> 0:59:33.800
<v Speaker 2>just went down the wayside because they don't have the players.

0:59:34.200 --> 0:59:36.400
<v Speaker 2>They just don't have the horses like they would. They

0:59:36.400 --> 0:59:38.680
<v Speaker 2>were doing a lot of like the switches on the

0:59:38.720 --> 0:59:41.200
<v Speaker 2>motion that the teams have done. You know that first

0:59:41.200 --> 0:59:43.280
<v Speaker 2>fourth down of the game. I know that it gets converted,

0:59:43.600 --> 0:59:46.880
<v Speaker 2>but it's like a ridiculous back shoulder throw by Tua

0:59:47.120 --> 0:59:50.640
<v Speaker 2>to Jalen Waddle and the motion comes and Tyreek goes

0:59:50.680 --> 0:59:53.080
<v Speaker 2>in motion and Miles Bryan and I think it was

0:59:53.160 --> 0:59:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Jack Jones on that side of the field. No, it's

0:59:55.040 --> 0:59:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Jac Jackson. They switched the motion right and Miles Bryan

0:59:58.520 --> 1:00:01.840
<v Speaker 2>takes the new number two and Jac takes Tyreek kill

1:00:02.320 --> 1:00:04.880
<v Speaker 2>and they had it covered really well. It just was

1:00:04.880 --> 1:00:08.080
<v Speaker 2>a better throw, And I just I think that they

1:00:08.120 --> 1:00:09.560
<v Speaker 2>had a plan. You know that a lot of those

1:00:09.640 --> 1:00:12.439
<v Speaker 2>Kyle Dugger tackles that we talked about on the goal

1:00:12.480 --> 1:00:15.000
<v Speaker 2>line and things like that, they they were covering the motion,

1:00:15.200 --> 1:00:17.520
<v Speaker 2>like like Jabriel Peppers had him if he came out

1:00:17.720 --> 1:00:20.080
<v Speaker 2>the right side, and Dugger had him if he came

1:00:20.120 --> 1:00:22.920
<v Speaker 2>out the left side. Their communication broke down on the

1:00:22.960 --> 1:00:26.600
<v Speaker 2>wattle one like Jack Jones was in one coverage and four.

1:00:28.320 --> 1:00:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was.

1:00:29.280 --> 1:00:33.080
<v Speaker 2>It was a bust all right, last one here. All

1:00:33.120 --> 1:00:35.760
<v Speaker 2>the wide receivers, every single one of them. All of

1:00:35.760 --> 1:00:38.640
<v Speaker 2>them are on the list. All of them, like Pop

1:00:38.680 --> 1:00:40.640
<v Speaker 2>Douglas is the only one that I want to like

1:00:40.800 --> 1:00:44.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of you could say, but I'm saying, I'm saying

1:00:44.400 --> 1:00:48.920
<v Speaker 2>all of them. Uh, they're the spacing, the route running

1:00:49.160 --> 1:00:53.080
<v Speaker 2>miscues from a you know, a mental standpoint of conversions,

1:00:53.120 --> 1:00:57.680
<v Speaker 2>just the overall lack of just juice or playmaking or anything.

1:00:57.960 --> 1:01:00.560
<v Speaker 2>All the wide receivers were terrible in this game. I,

1:01:00.760 --> 1:01:03.320
<v Speaker 2>like I said earlier in the show, once again, I'm

1:01:03.360 --> 1:01:07.240
<v Speaker 2>asking Troy Brown to please do something anything to get

1:01:07.240 --> 1:01:11.400
<v Speaker 2>these guys to space out their routes correctly. Like first

1:01:11.400 --> 1:01:13.200
<v Speaker 2>third down in the game, it's third and twelve. You

1:01:13.240 --> 1:01:16.680
<v Speaker 2>have three guys on top of each other. Yeah, that's

1:01:16.680 --> 1:01:18.800
<v Speaker 2>been happening for two straight years now, Like how long

1:01:18.800 --> 1:01:21.000
<v Speaker 2>are we gonna let this go on for? And don't

1:01:21.040 --> 1:01:22.920
<v Speaker 2>tell me that it's just because they all stink, Like

1:01:23.040 --> 1:01:27.600
<v Speaker 2>that's that's mental. Like that's like a route running issue, right,

1:01:27.640 --> 1:01:30.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's spacing. It's not Oh they can't separate

1:01:30.320 --> 1:01:32.880
<v Speaker 2>against man coverage, that's because they all stink. Okay, this

1:01:32.960 --> 1:01:34.520
<v Speaker 2>is different. I'm not saying that they all stink.

1:01:34.560 --> 1:01:35.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying.

1:01:35.080 --> 1:01:40.960
<v Speaker 2>That's that's different. The spacing is terrible. The quarterback has

1:01:40.960 --> 1:01:43.280
<v Speaker 2>no idea where half these guys are going on any

1:01:43.320 --> 1:01:47.080
<v Speaker 2>particular play. They just didn't look ready to play in

1:01:47.080 --> 1:01:49.400
<v Speaker 2>this game from a wide receiver standpoint, and that has

1:01:49.440 --> 1:01:51.160
<v Speaker 2>to go down to the coaching. Those guys have to

1:01:51.160 --> 1:01:52.640
<v Speaker 2>get ready fair enough.

1:01:53.560 --> 1:01:56.760
<v Speaker 1>My third down. Let me preface this by saying, all right,

1:01:57.000 --> 1:01:59.920
<v Speaker 1>my third down is the rest And because I I

1:02:00.160 --> 1:02:01.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't think we were going to talk about it otherwise,

1:02:01.640 --> 1:02:03.080
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to bring it up because I want to

1:02:03.080 --> 1:02:06.600
<v Speaker 1>talk about this in two directions. One, the refs are

1:02:06.600 --> 1:02:09.720
<v Speaker 1>not the reason the Patriots lost this game. Everybody complains

1:02:09.720 --> 1:02:13.880
<v Speaker 1>about the J. C. Jackson PI, which was probably a

1:02:13.920 --> 1:02:17.200
<v Speaker 1>hold if it was anything, but that happens on every play.

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<v Speaker 1>But all right, yeah, you get you got a third

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<v Speaker 1>and six on a bad penalty. You had two third

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<v Speaker 1>and fourteens and two fourth downs. You had four chances

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<v Speaker 1>to get off the field earlier in that drive and

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't. The best way to avoid getting beat by

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<v Speaker 1>the refs is to not put yourself in a position

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<v Speaker 1>where the refs can beat you, and that's what the

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<v Speaker 1>Patriots did in this game. That being said, the no

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<v Speaker 1>call on the DeVante Parker hit is atrocious. Yep, plain

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<v Speaker 1>and simple.

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<v Speaker 2>I have the no call on on two guys going

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<v Speaker 2>in motion at the snap.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to get to, there's no excuse to

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<v Speaker 1>be missing essentially targeting calls hits that no excuse to

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<v Speaker 1>be missing it. And I think that rattled the Patriots

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit because they've given the green light to

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<v Speaker 1>head hunt the refs have. And that's the thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these players are looking at like what can I get

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<v Speaker 1>away within this game? And what can't I in all regards.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just that penalty, holding, penalty's pass interference, all

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<v Speaker 1>of it, and then the two guys in motion, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, Yeah, it's happening right in front of you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was really bad. This was a big game

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<v Speaker 1>for get somebody up on the booth that has a button. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>when they press the button, it goes down to the field.

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<v Speaker 2>My biggest thing is is that they do that on

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<v Speaker 2>some plays like the illegal man downfield penalty, yeah, which

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<v Speaker 2>I think just to in the interest of fairness. They

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<v Speaker 2>picked up one on David Andrews the week before. I

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<v Speaker 2>was I was laughing about that. So we can't sit

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<v Speaker 2>here and say that we that Dad's a bogus call

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<v Speaker 2>and they shouldn't be picking it up because the Patriots

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<v Speaker 2>benefited from the same call the week before. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying that. But those are two clear calls in

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<v Speaker 2>both instances where that's coming from New York. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>way the refs just like met and huddled up and

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<v Speaker 2>change their minds, Like there's no way it's happening too

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<v Speaker 2>fast for somebody to just miraculously come up with the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that that's that's not actually a legal man downfield.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're they're buzzing in in some plays from New

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<v Speaker 2>York and changing calls, but they're not buzzing in on

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<v Speaker 2>like the DeVante Parker head hunting play.

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<v Speaker 1>And look the league. The league knows this is an issue.

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<v Speaker 1>They put Walt Anderson on Monday Night Football. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's just it's the officiating has become a major storyline

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<v Speaker 1>this year across the league. This is not just Patriots thing.

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<v Speaker 1>They it's something they got to clean up, period, full stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotta clean it up. Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, all right, let's let's get to the phones.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that all being said, it's not why they lost

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<v Speaker 1>the game.

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<v Speaker 2>I like how we always have to like preface it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have a rule. I have a sorry, I

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<v Speaker 1>know you want to get phones. I have a real person.

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<v Speaker 1>I allow myself one game a year, calendar year. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all sports, all my teams, all of them. I get

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<v Speaker 1>one game a year that I get to blame on

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<v Speaker 1>the refs. That's it. And I haven't used my game

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<v Speaker 1>yet this year. I used it too early. Last year.

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<v Speaker 1>It was it was a game two, Game three against

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<v Speaker 1>the Bucks for the Celtics where Marcus Smart's arm is

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<v Speaker 1>getting held down as he shoots the ball, and they

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<v Speaker 1>said it wasn't a shooting foul. I used it there.

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<v Speaker 1>I blew it early. I usually try to save it

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<v Speaker 1>for football season. I haven't had to use my game

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<v Speaker 1>yet this year, but I give myself one game of

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<v Speaker 1>year to blame on the rest. This wasn't it, But

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<v Speaker 1>I think more people should adopt that approach.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get to the phones. John is in Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up?

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<v Speaker 2>John's Uh? Yeah, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh, I just want to see how y'all feel about

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<v Speaker 7>this point on magis like, I feel like it's the

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<v Speaker 7>same where they're allowed his chair, and I feel like

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of the fads that he make it more

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<v Speaker 7>magnified with me. I know you just talked about it

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of players with from the field, but I went,

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<v Speaker 7>y'all feel about there?

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<v Speaker 1>What was the first point? Sorry?

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<v Speaker 2>You just you broke up a little bit there, Oh.

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<v Speaker 7>I said, I feel like the same is the booths

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<v Speaker 7>are louder than the year. I feel like that coming

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<v Speaker 7>full for wishing with Mega right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, thanks for the John, appreciate it. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess I don't know. I mean, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>that's saying is, so maybe that's that's throwing me off

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. But at the same time, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like with Mac the criticism is all fair of him,

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<v Speaker 2>Like we have to be objective of what we're seeing

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<v Speaker 2>on the field and he's not playing good enough, Like

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's all fair. What my whole take is with Mac,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think you know alse you mentioned earlier in

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<v Speaker 2>the show that we kind of get ragged on for

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<v Speaker 2>being like mac apologists and making excuses for him and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. My whole thing at this point with

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<v Speaker 2>Mac is more so that they need to learn from

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<v Speaker 2>their mistakes with this quarterback, because if it's the same

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<v Speaker 2>regime that's bringing up the next guy and they do

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<v Speaker 2>the same things and they check the same boxes that

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<v Speaker 2>they did this time around, then I don't care if

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<v Speaker 2>it's Caleb Williams, if it's Drake May, if it's Michael Pennix,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's JJ McCarthy, they're gonna fail just like Mac

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<v Speaker 2>Jones failed. If they change, if they go through three

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<v Speaker 2>coordinators in three years, if they have no offensive line

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<v Speaker 2>two seasons, if they have no weapons for two seasons,

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<v Speaker 2>that that quarterback, a young quarterback, is not going to

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<v Speaker 2>fix those problems. The only guys that fix those types

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<v Speaker 2>of problems are veteran guys like a Brady like in

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen and stuff. Like that that can just hold it

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<v Speaker 2>afloat and keep you functional or unicorns, And if you

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<v Speaker 2>think that you're just gonna get a unicorn, then like

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<v Speaker 2>good luck. And even those guys like we consider Patrick

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<v Speaker 2>Mahomes a unicorn, right for obvious reasons. But he came

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<v Speaker 2>into the league with Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelcey, and Andy

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<v Speaker 2>Reid calling his plays like let's call a spade a spade.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like he came into the league and turned

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<v Speaker 2>the Jacksonville Jaguars like Trevor Lawrence is trying to do

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<v Speaker 2>into a two time Super Bowl champion. He had a

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<v Speaker 2>Alex Smith was into the playoffs the year before that

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<v Speaker 2>he took over, right, So that's the thing, Like you,

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<v Speaker 2>there is one hundred percent nature going on with mac

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<v Speaker 2>Jones that he has limitations. He has physical limitations, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm coming around to the fact that he might have

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<v Speaker 2>intangible limitations also just attitude stuff, right, But at the

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<v Speaker 2>same point, there's also a nurture argument of young quarterbacks. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and the next guy, And this is why I really

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<v Speaker 2>feel strongly about the fact that the next head coach

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<v Speaker 2>of the Patriots needs to be an offensive guy, because

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<v Speaker 2>I want the continent.

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<v Speaker 1>What if except what if it's Josh McDaniels in a

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<v Speaker 1>defensive coach. Josh McDaniels is not going anywhere, I guess I.

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<v Speaker 1>But I worry about the system. That's okay, that's fair.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's fair. I worry about that. But if that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's better, it's better.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, if it's strad and it's Josh McDaniels, and at

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<v Speaker 2>least I feel a little bit better about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh McDaniels. Okay, yeah, that's not happening. Yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh no, I it's the nature researcher thing, that's all

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<v Speaker 1>of it. The Patriots have all the things that we

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<v Speaker 1>as Patriots fans used to point it, the Bears and

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<v Speaker 1>the Browns and the Bills and all these teams in

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<v Speaker 1>the quarterback carousel for twenty something years. That all happen

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<v Speaker 1>to start with b I'm trying to think of another one,

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<v Speaker 1>the Cardinals. All these teams that have been in the

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback carself for years, and the things we laugh at

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<v Speaker 1>them for doing are things the Patriots have done. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The Jets, I think are the perfect Jets. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I con't think of the Jets.

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<v Speaker 2>What you're risking is being going from Sam Darnald to

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<v Speaker 2>Zach Wilson. That's what you're risking, everything.

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<v Speaker 1>From Christian Hackenberg to Sam Darnald or from Genos Christian Hackenberg.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But and look at Gino, like Mark Sanchez, the

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<v Speaker 2>Gino is now having like a late career like revitalization.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the one guy not to say that

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<v Speaker 2>Mac is going to do this, but the one guy

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<v Speaker 2>that I also went back and thought about is Alex Smith,

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<v Speaker 2>who in San Francisco it was a disaster for him,

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<v Speaker 2>like multiple coordinators, a bad roster around him, and he's terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he goes to Andy Reid in Kansas City and

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<v Speaker 2>he has like this like eight year run where he

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<v Speaker 2>is an NFL quarterback and making the playoffs and like

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<v Speaker 2>winning ten games a year like, and that's that's the

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<v Speaker 2>that's the genesis of it all. Like if if you

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<v Speaker 2>are out on Mac, that's fine. I'm not gonna sit

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<v Speaker 2>here and try to convince you that Mac Jones is

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<v Speaker 2>secretly this great quarterback that they're holding back in anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, you have to recognize that

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<v Speaker 2>every quarterback is going to fail if they're put into

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<v Speaker 2>a position where Matt Patricia is their offensive coordinator for

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<v Speaker 2>a year. Then Billy O'Brien comes in and they have

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<v Speaker 2>all these personnel issues around the quarterback, Like this is

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<v Speaker 2>just not going to work for anybody, and they have

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to learn from their mistakes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think that that's a massive point and it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's unfortunately there are going to be long term implications

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<v Speaker 1>of all this because whoever they draft, Drake May, Michael Pennocks, whoever.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say it's a good rookie heear. Yeah, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's going to talk about that entire spring and summer

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<v Speaker 1>that Mac mac had a good rookie year too. Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not buying anything right. Still might suck like that

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<v Speaker 1>is coming and they've sort of brought that on the

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<v Speaker 1>not sort if they brought that on themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Erica's in Nashville. It's up Eric, guys.

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<v Speaker 7>How's it going good?

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<v Speaker 5>I you know, you guys kind of took my question

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<v Speaker 5>right before I was going to ask it, just about

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<v Speaker 5>like change and everything in the NFL, Like when you

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<v Speaker 5>look at Mariota and Alex Smith, just like Alex and Alex.

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<v Speaker 5>Evan was kind of saying like those guys, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>they they struggled because they had so many offense coordinators,

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<v Speaker 5>so many offensive changes through three years. And I didn't,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, think those guys were bums when they first

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<v Speaker 5>came out. But I think if this offense doesn't keep

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<v Speaker 5>the nucleus together for at least another year, then you

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<v Speaker 5>might as well just like switch everything, switch their game,

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<v Speaker 5>switch the quarterback, because you're just setting your team up

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<v Speaker 5>for failure at that point, Like O'Brien's going to ask

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<v Speaker 5>for different things that McDaniels is going to ask for

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<v Speaker 5>if he comes back. So it's like you're just kind

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<v Speaker 5>of starting over offensively every single year, and in the NFL,

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<v Speaker 5>you need that continuity to kind of like build.

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<v Speaker 2>Off of Yeah, yeah, yeah, I couldn't agree more with that, Eric,

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<v Speaker 2>And thanks for the call. I couldn't agree more. And

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<v Speaker 2>I feel that way not only just about the offense.

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<v Speaker 2>I also feel that way about some of their pending

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<v Speaker 2>free agents that are coming up. Like they have one

1:11:59.360 --> 1:12:02.040
<v Speaker 2>hundred million dollar in cap space roughly. I know that

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<v Speaker 2>some numbers are different than others, but let's just call

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<v Speaker 2>it one hundred million, just for a nice round number.

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<v Speaker 2>They have so much cap space next to offseason, Alex

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<v Speaker 2>that there's no reason to start all over with Mike

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<v Speaker 2>on Wen who at guard or tackle or wherever you

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<v Speaker 2>want to play. I'm Kyle Duggar right, like these guys,

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<v Speaker 2>So why like why why let go of these players

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<v Speaker 2>that have been good players for you, that were good

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<v Speaker 2>draft picks like Dugger and Mike on wn who are

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<v Speaker 2>two of your best draft picks in like the last decade. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's not an exaggeration, Like those two guys. Mike

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<v Speaker 2>on Winning in the sixth round is a hell of

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<v Speaker 2>a draft pick by the Patriots. Yeah, and to move

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<v Speaker 2>on from those guys is just foolish, Like you have

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<v Speaker 2>to start building something at some point. And those guys,

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<v Speaker 2>I think whether you know, uh to use the lombardis

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<v Speaker 2>and we talk about his Tuesday player thing a lot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike on Winning and Kyle Dugger are probably like red chips.

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<v Speaker 2>They're probably not blue chip players, right, but but red

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<v Speaker 2>chip are still valuable.

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<v Speaker 1>You need those guys. You absolutely need those guys.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's in red chips are still above like average

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<v Speaker 2>NFL starter. We're talking about above average NFL starts.

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<v Speaker 1>These are guys you're talking Madden, You know, mid high

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<v Speaker 1>eighties rating, which they're not your superstars, but they're you're

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<v Speaker 1>not like actively trying to replace them either. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>Zach coxer Nessen had a really interesting number he tweeted

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<v Speaker 1>out this week that was Patriots in the first three

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<v Speaker 1>rounds between twenty fourteen and twenty nineteen. So that's the

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<v Speaker 1>last five years eligible for an extension this year, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty classes up right, twenty fourteen, twenty nineteen drafted nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>players in the first three rounds. Yeah, zero of them

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<v Speaker 1>got a second contract. Joe Tooney got a franchise tag.

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<v Speaker 1>That's as close as it came. Now, look, there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of those pics are bus A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>those guys are just players. You're not going to sign

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<v Speaker 1>a second contract, and that's part of this conversation. But Toney,

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<v Speaker 1>even a guy like Damien Harris, how much could this

1:13:55.360 --> 1:13:58.800
<v Speaker 1>team use Damien Harris? Right now? Are guys they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>bring back, and you want a reason why they're And

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<v Speaker 1>Zach had the five years prior to that, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's something like four thirteen players or something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>why you in the spot you're in because you're not

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<v Speaker 1>retaining young talent you're not retaining young talent. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to have to do that in the NFL. Part of

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<v Speaker 1>that is picking better players, but part of it is

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<v Speaker 1>also when you do pick good players, which they've picked

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<v Speaker 1>some you mentioned Mike Conuanu, Kyle Duggar, Josh Uche or

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<v Speaker 1>even undrafted free agents jac jack jac Jackson, Jacoby Myers.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to retain these guys. You got to bring

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<v Speaker 1>them back at a certain point. You can't just keep

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<v Speaker 1>churning your roster. It's a new fifty three players every

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<v Speaker 1>four years.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so true. It's the NFL. It's just replace, replace, replace, replace,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's it's add You're just constantly catching your tail

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<v Speaker 2>and replace.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, it's the NFL. There's roster turnover more than any

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<v Speaker 1>other league except for the NBA. But it's the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of roster turnover, yes, but not the

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<v Speaker 1>whole roster. You need a core of five to ten

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<v Speaker 1>guys least. That's you, that's your base, that's your foundation.

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<v Speaker 1>And they really like it's sort of if they had

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<v Speaker 1>a course like Matthew Slater, David Andrews, Jonathan Jones, Dietrich Wise, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Lawrence Guy, I guess you throw in there, Bentley, But

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<v Speaker 1>like those guys are starting to get older, and those

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<v Speaker 1>guys aren't necessarily impact players. They may be good players

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<v Speaker 1>in the locker room, but they're not all these high

1:15:24.800 --> 1:15:29.160
<v Speaker 1>red ship players. You need to start building an identity

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<v Speaker 1>because when you lock in Kyle Duggart, you know that

1:15:31.320 --> 1:15:34.200
<v Speaker 1>spots set in what Kyle Duggart does. You're gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>out and get other players that make sense in the

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<v Speaker 1>context of we're gonna have him do this next to

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle Duggar, like the free safety thing. Right, instead of

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<v Speaker 1>these guys accommodating for your losses, you're gonna build around them.

1:15:45.520 --> 1:15:48.240
<v Speaker 1>They need to need to need to start doing that,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of it is picking better players. But they

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<v Speaker 1>have hit on a couple of picks the last few years.

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<v Speaker 1>They've hit on some free agency. We've talked about Jabrill Peppers.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the guy that you get an extension this offseason.

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<v Speaker 1>They need to start building that core.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's I think everybody, and I understand everybody wants

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<v Speaker 2>the Patriots to have better players, right, they want better

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<v Speaker 2>more talent, better players, more top end talent to the roster.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is is that if you retain some

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<v Speaker 2>of the red chips and then you add blue chips

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<v Speaker 2>on top of the red chips. Well, now you're building

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<v Speaker 2>to something, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So for instance, perfect example of this, and I know

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to drive you up a well, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care. Probably they had Ted Carris yep, who was

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<v Speaker 1>what twenty six, twenty seven something like that, and Jack

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<v Speaker 1>Mason was a little older but was still playing. Well.

1:16:38.400 --> 1:16:40.960
<v Speaker 1>They moved on from both of those guys and in

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<v Speaker 1>the last two years they've drafted four guards in the

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<v Speaker 1>top one fifty, including one in the first round. Because

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<v Speaker 1>they're chasing their tail on it, right, if you re

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<v Speaker 1>sign Ted Carris, who didn't, it wasn't unreally they went

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<v Speaker 1>to the negotiation table and pulled back their off the offer.

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<v Speaker 8>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Do they still draft col Strange? I don't know, but

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<v Speaker 1>like you can use those picks, maybe they don't feel

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<v Speaker 1>as pressed to need to add his guard. Maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>use those picks on a tackle or on a safety

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<v Speaker 1>or on a running back or something like that. Christ

1:17:11.040 --> 1:17:15.160
<v Speaker 1>or Christian Watson. Yes, that's always been my second guest

1:17:15.200 --> 1:17:19.160
<v Speaker 1>with that draft. Please that that that's kind of how

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<v Speaker 1>this this whole thing works. If you don't let Stefan

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<v Speaker 1>Gilmour and J. C. Jackson walk. Maybe you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to take two corners and look, they've been good, Jack

1:17:28.320 --> 1:17:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Jones and Marcus Jones, but maybe you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>take two corners there back to back, and you add

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<v Speaker 1>a player in another position where you need a depth

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<v Speaker 1>before you got to keep some of the good players,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can overextend the other way too, And that's

1:17:42.720 --> 1:17:44.960
<v Speaker 1>what teams like the Rams have done, and they got

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<v Speaker 1>in big trouble. But there is a happy medium between

1:17:48.800 --> 1:17:51.720
<v Speaker 1>keeping some good players and letting some walk, and the

1:17:51.760 --> 1:17:53.960
<v Speaker 1>really good teams figure out who are the right ones

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<v Speaker 1>to let walk and who are the right ones keep.

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<v Speaker 1>And they were excellent at that for twenty years. They

1:17:59.560 --> 1:18:01.800
<v Speaker 1>were so good it. This is the guy we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>bring back, this is the guy we're gonna let go.

1:18:03.840 --> 1:18:05.439
<v Speaker 1>You go through it like how many.

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<v Speaker 2>Times like Chandler Jones, Adante Hi Tower, right.

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<v Speaker 1>How many times until the last five years was there

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<v Speaker 1>a player that they let walk that we were really like, Man,

1:18:13.960 --> 1:18:16.560
<v Speaker 1>that one sucks, the one everybody brings up as a

1:18:16.640 --> 1:18:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Keeam Hicks, which yeah, he was good, but also they

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<v Speaker 1>had good defensive tackles. Well, that was happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no, I don't think there's a big one.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is something they were able to do, and

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<v Speaker 1>they did, they've just stopped doing in the last four

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<v Speaker 1>or five years. And to say, oh, well Brady covered

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<v Speaker 1>it up, He's not covering up the defensive side of

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<v Speaker 1>the ball like that. Maybe on offense he covered up

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, but I don't know. Again, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how many offensive players in the Dynasty era they

1:18:39.680 --> 1:18:41.599
<v Speaker 1>let go that I was like, and honestly, the few

1:18:41.600 --> 1:18:44.120
<v Speaker 1>they did, they ended up bringing back Garrett Blunt.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so here this kind of irks me, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not about Braxton Barrios might be one of

1:18:48.760 --> 1:18:52.599
<v Speaker 2>the biggest ones. It's not about like, it's not about

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<v Speaker 2>discounting Brady, Like, let's not what I actually I think

1:18:58.600 --> 1:19:01.880
<v Speaker 2>it's become to the point were like, it's it's honestly

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<v Speaker 2>unfair to some of the great players that played around Brady,

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<v Speaker 2>because now the the take is is that.

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<v Speaker 1>Brady just did everything. Brady.

1:19:09.760 --> 1:19:12.559
<v Speaker 2>Brady played every all, all twenty two spots on the field.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just Brady and it they people realize that

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<v Speaker 2>the Patriots have two defensive players in the Hall of Fame,

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<v Speaker 2>now from the Dynasty era, right, like Richard Seymour and

1:19:22.280 --> 1:19:24.479
<v Speaker 2>Ty Law are in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, the

1:19:24.600 --> 1:19:27.240
<v Speaker 2>NFL Hall of Fame. Yeah, pro football, I should say

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<v Speaker 2>the Rodney Harrison should be in the Pro Football Hall

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<v Speaker 2>of Fame.

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<v Speaker 1>We both are yes on that. I think that is

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<v Speaker 1>the second biggest Hall of Fame exclusion in all the sports.

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<v Speaker 2>Should be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Yes, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And I always say this. If William mcginnison, Teddy Bruski

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<v Speaker 2>played on the seventies Steelers, they'd also be in the

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<v Speaker 2>Profoball Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we keep doing.

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<v Speaker 2>That, right, So to sit there and say and then

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<v Speaker 2>Dynasty two point zero, Gronkowski, Edelman, high Tower, mccordy. You know,

1:19:59.520 --> 1:20:01.800
<v Speaker 2>obviously Rivas was here for a year, Gilmour was here

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<v Speaker 2>for a couple. Decent player here like these these guys

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<v Speaker 2>are good football players.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't don't don't be little the guys by saying

1:20:11.600 --> 1:20:16.000
<v Speaker 1>the teams they It's not like they never built good teams.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the approach seems to have changed. Basically, I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't even say since Brady left, I think in

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<v Speaker 1>the final you know you came on the beat. Evan

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<v Speaker 1>approach has changed.

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<v Speaker 2>That would ruin like the move that started to like

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<v Speaker 2>really ruin. This whole thing for me was Tony, Like

1:20:32.479 --> 1:20:38.040
<v Speaker 2>Toney was such a perfect resign. But yeah, no, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean maybe the timeline started, but like that one really

1:20:40.800 --> 1:20:44.599
<v Speaker 2>irks me. And you know Paul and I'll tell him.

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<v Speaker 2>I have said this on Unfiltered. Paul always comes at

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<v Speaker 2>me and says, like, do guards on your own time? YadA, YadA, YadA.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think the Chiefs have any buyer's remorse with

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Touney. Joe Tony is going to be an All Pro.

1:20:54.560 --> 1:20:56.120
<v Speaker 2>He's going to be a first team again Pro. I

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<v Speaker 2>think he was. I don't think he was yet. I

1:20:58.200 --> 1:21:00.719
<v Speaker 2>think it might be his first but he's he should

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<v Speaker 2>be a first team All Pro. He's maybe the best

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<v Speaker 2>guard in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>He's up there. He's fantastic. He was a second team

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<v Speaker 1>All Pro last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he is absolutely fantastic, and he's durable. He's on

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<v Speaker 2>the field all the time. And you're telling me that

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<v Speaker 2>you never missed one game of the day, that this

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't look better on offense if they had a pocket

1:21:24.160 --> 1:21:27.960
<v Speaker 2>for Mac Jones and it wasn't cole Strange and then

1:21:28.000 --> 1:21:30.880
<v Speaker 2>whatever they're putting at right guard or whatever they're putting

1:21:30.880 --> 1:21:34.080
<v Speaker 2>at left guard because Cole Strange is hurt or not

1:21:34.400 --> 1:21:37.200
<v Speaker 2>or benched because he's not playing well like that. This

1:21:37.240 --> 1:21:39.280
<v Speaker 2>is all a factor, and especially when you have a

1:21:39.320 --> 1:21:42.679
<v Speaker 2>pocket quarterback that that one just I can't I can't

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<v Speaker 2>deal with that still, all right, Isaac is in Reno?

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<v Speaker 1>What's up? Isaac listener?

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<v Speaker 6>First time solar here?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 6>I just feel like I'd rather keep Nax for another

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<v Speaker 6>year and build up the offense before we throw in

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<v Speaker 6>another young quarterback and possibly ruin her. That being said,

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<v Speaker 6>if the team does decide to get a new quarterback,

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<v Speaker 6>probably in the draft, I'm just wondering how much of

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<v Speaker 6>the staff and roster you would keep, especially on the offense.

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<v Speaker 6>And I guess what you're playing in free agency and

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<v Speaker 6>the rest of the draft would be Thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys, Thanks Isaac. Offense.

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<v Speaker 2>Offense, offense, offense, offense. I'm spending every cap dollar in

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<v Speaker 2>every draft pick in the top one hundred on offense.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta resign some guys on defense to do that,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>All of offense all over the place. If they use

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say this now on November two, if they

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<v Speaker 2>use a top one hundred on a defensive player, I'm

1:22:34.600 --> 1:22:37.280
<v Speaker 2>gonna lose my mind. Shared verse future Patriots, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>lose my effing mind.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to.

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<v Speaker 2>This league has changed and until I say this all

1:22:46.000 --> 1:22:50.040
<v Speaker 2>the time, until this organization philosophically changes their approach to

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<v Speaker 2>team building and recognizes that unless they score thirty points

1:22:53.960 --> 1:22:56.640
<v Speaker 2>a game, they are not winning anything anything in this

1:22:56.720 --> 1:23:00.240
<v Speaker 2>league anymore. They are gonna be stuck here. This is

1:23:00.240 --> 1:23:04.080
<v Speaker 2>where they're gonna be stuck. And you your major picks.

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<v Speaker 2>You got your picks last year, Bill on defense, all right,

1:23:07.600 --> 1:23:10.160
<v Speaker 2>so you have Gonzales, you have White, you have whatever

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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna turn Mapu into, which is probably a bust

1:23:12.520 --> 1:23:14.360
<v Speaker 2>because they don't know how to use them. And they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna that's fine. Like you had your picks on defense

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<v Speaker 2>last year, you mentioned retain. Okay, bring back Kyle Duggar, right,

1:23:20.920 --> 1:23:23.160
<v Speaker 2>and make sure you have the nucleus of this defense together,

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<v Speaker 2>just like you did last offseason. You brought back the

1:23:25.240 --> 1:23:28.599
<v Speaker 2>entire defense besides Devin mccordy. So do it again. The

1:23:28.600 --> 1:23:32.320
<v Speaker 2>defense is more than set, right, It's fine. You're gonna

1:23:32.320 --> 1:23:35.720
<v Speaker 2>have Gonzales back. Maybe you work something out to have

1:23:35.800 --> 1:23:36.599
<v Speaker 2>Jude on back.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna have well, but they say, oh, you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, you're right. I forgot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>have Jude on back.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe if you want to address you know, we've we've

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<v Speaker 2>been talking about it, so we got we have to

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<v Speaker 2>be fair. If you want to address free safety, then fine,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the one. But you don't and nowadays you really

1:23:57.040 --> 1:23:59.040
<v Speaker 2>don't see teams drafting free safety.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of these guys are not first round. You can

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<v Speaker 1>do that the Secondude where they took Mapus where they

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<v Speaker 1>had done it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but a lot of the time I would say

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<v Speaker 2>the reason for that is because they really hasn't been

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<v Speaker 2>like a unicorn free safety in a while.

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<v Speaker 1>No, there there is sort of one this year. So

1:24:15.520 --> 1:24:17.559
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna drive yourself up a wallet. Cooper to Gene,

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<v Speaker 1>I keep telling.

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<v Speaker 2>You no, but no, I don't want to hear that name.

1:24:20.920 --> 1:24:25.439
<v Speaker 2>Uh I just offense, offense, offense, And if you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go about it, if you're gonna load up in the

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<v Speaker 2>veteran market on offense, first of all, like, please get

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<v Speaker 2>it right this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and no more.

1:24:33.280 --> 1:24:36.479
<v Speaker 2>John Hu Smiths than Juju smith Schusters, please, But at

1:24:36.520 --> 1:24:38.920
<v Speaker 2>the same time, like you know, if you're if you

1:24:39.000 --> 1:24:40.800
<v Speaker 2>get to the draft and you have t Higgins on

1:24:40.840 --> 1:24:43.080
<v Speaker 2>this roster and you brought back Kendrick Bourne and he's

1:24:43.080 --> 1:24:46.120
<v Speaker 2>gonna be healthy, and you have Pop Douglas emerging, and

1:24:46.520 --> 1:24:49.000
<v Speaker 2>you maybe you bring back Hunter Henry also because he's

1:24:49.120 --> 1:24:51.000
<v Speaker 2>a functional tight end, so you might as well.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a franchise at Canada. Yeah, I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have all this in peace already by the

1:24:55.760 --> 1:24:58.080
<v Speaker 2>time you get to the draft, then okay, maybe I

1:24:58.120 --> 1:25:00.920
<v Speaker 2>can talk myself into not going off you know, all

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<v Speaker 2>three picks.

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<v Speaker 1>Two or three at least. Yeah, yeah, I would agree

1:25:05.760 --> 1:25:08.639
<v Speaker 1>with that. I had a point and I don't remember

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<v Speaker 1>what it was. So Eric, Eric is in New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up? Eric?

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<v Speaker 9>Hey, guys, I had a question and what would you rather?

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<v Speaker 9>The question is for the practice, how do you I mean,

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<v Speaker 9>how many snaps you guys have a better view and understanding.

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<v Speaker 9>So when we say guys aren't showing up in practice

1:25:25.840 --> 1:25:28.160
<v Speaker 9>like obviously you know, you guys have boute thor and

1:25:28.200 --> 1:25:30.240
<v Speaker 9>you guys lower down the depth chart, like how many

1:25:30.280 --> 1:25:30.960
<v Speaker 9>reps are they.

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<v Speaker 4>Really getting to determine? Like this guy's making plays in practice,

1:25:34.160 --> 1:25:35.880
<v Speaker 4>because that's one thing I don't I don't know how

1:25:35.880 --> 1:25:38.240
<v Speaker 4>many live plays after running. And then what would you

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<v Speaker 4>rather for next year? Would you rather go in the

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<v Speaker 4>next season for bringing back Bill Mac, drafting Marvin Harrison

1:25:44.680 --> 1:25:48.799
<v Speaker 4>and signing Michael Pittman or next season bringing Bennie Johnson,

1:25:49.320 --> 1:25:52.639
<v Speaker 4>draft Drake May, signed T Higgins and signed Curtis Samuel.

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<v Speaker 9>I'll take it off the line.

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<v Speaker 7>Thanks guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, oh, thanks for the call. First question to the

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<v Speaker 2>point of of reps in practice, we don't get to

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<v Speaker 2>watch in season practices, just like full disclosure. I don't

1:26:05.439 --> 1:26:06.800
<v Speaker 2>want people to think that that we do.

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<v Speaker 1>We get like five minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just yeah, So we don't watch in season practice.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're from what I understand, it's not all that

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<v Speaker 2>different than some of the camp practices that we see

1:26:17.320 --> 1:26:19.040
<v Speaker 2>when they do have games, like they had that one

1:26:19.120 --> 1:26:21.360
<v Speaker 2>camp practice for the Texans game where we did see

1:26:21.360 --> 1:26:24.200
<v Speaker 2>some game plan periods and things like that. So it's

1:26:24.240 --> 1:26:27.280
<v Speaker 2>not all that different. But I think a lot of it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Rager kind of carved out his role by

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<v Speaker 2>making plays on the scout team, and he was flashing

1:26:32.720 --> 1:26:35.479
<v Speaker 2>on scout teams. So then they moved him over and said, okay,

1:26:35.560 --> 1:26:37.640
<v Speaker 2>let's see what he looks like on this side of

1:26:37.640 --> 1:26:39.680
<v Speaker 2>the ball with our offense. And that's how that kind

1:26:39.720 --> 1:26:43.360
<v Speaker 2>of comes to fruition. So there's snaps, like there's reps.

1:26:43.400 --> 1:26:45.559
<v Speaker 2>It's not like he's out there with the starters and

1:26:45.560 --> 1:26:47.679
<v Speaker 2>playing poorly. They want to see her. You running routes

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<v Speaker 2>with the effort. Are you Runningchris sproutch You're making the

1:26:49.600 --> 1:26:52.640
<v Speaker 2>right reads, the effort this and that. You do that

1:26:52.680 --> 1:26:54.080
<v Speaker 2>on the scout team, and then that's how you get

1:26:54.080 --> 1:26:54.439
<v Speaker 2>moved up.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know how many reps Kishon Booty is

1:26:56.400 --> 1:26:59.840
<v Speaker 1>getting with the starters, but that's not how the reps

1:26:59.880 --> 1:27:01.680
<v Speaker 1>with the starters are what we're talking about here. We're

1:27:01.680 --> 1:27:02.680
<v Speaker 1>talking about on the scout team.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, so we got three more calls and try

1:27:04.760 --> 1:27:07.080
<v Speaker 2>to get through these pretty quickly. So because I want

1:27:07.120 --> 1:27:10.599
<v Speaker 2>to talk a little bit, Commander, Yeah, Cassandra is in Maine.

1:27:10.600 --> 1:27:11.400
<v Speaker 2>What's up, Cassandra?

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<v Speaker 8>Hey guys, all right, so I'm a bit of a

1:27:15.400 --> 1:27:17.000
<v Speaker 8>bitter fan right now. I'm going to go on a

1:27:17.000 --> 1:27:24.200
<v Speaker 8>little mini tangent. I don't understand why everybody wants Josh McDaniels.

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<v Speaker 1>To come back.

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<v Speaker 8>In my opinion, he is part of the reason why

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<v Speaker 8>the Patriots are horrible right now. He took so many coaches,

1:27:33.640 --> 1:27:37.640
<v Speaker 8>players and everybody over to the Vegas Raiders. He's not

1:27:37.720 --> 1:27:40.040
<v Speaker 8>a good head coach. I feel like he should just

1:27:40.120 --> 1:27:43.040
<v Speaker 8>never set foot in New England again. But that's just

1:27:43.080 --> 1:27:45.040
<v Speaker 8>my opinion, and I mut know what you guys were

1:27:45.080 --> 1:27:45.720
<v Speaker 8>thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for the call, Cassandra, and I don't hope. I

1:27:49.400 --> 1:27:51.839
<v Speaker 2>always like it when we get we get female callers.

1:27:52.080 --> 1:27:52.479
<v Speaker 1>I like that.

1:27:52.600 --> 1:27:55.160
<v Speaker 2>IM glad that we have some female listeners out there

1:27:55.160 --> 1:27:57.040
<v Speaker 2>because I know we get pretty nerdy on this show.

1:27:57.080 --> 1:27:59.880
<v Speaker 2>So you know, it's not it might you know. I

1:28:00.080 --> 1:28:02.160
<v Speaker 2>always know that. My mom and Jess like sometimes try

1:28:02.200 --> 1:28:04.120
<v Speaker 2>to listen to the show and they're just like, yeah,

1:28:04.160 --> 1:28:05.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know, you guys are just you

1:28:05.640 --> 1:28:09.280
<v Speaker 2>guys are just being geeks. Uh anyways, Uh okay, the

1:28:09.479 --> 1:28:12.160
<v Speaker 2>uh that that I hurt You're feelings, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Just whatever that all was, I don't know that you

1:28:13.960 --> 1:28:16.600
<v Speaker 1>said that was just a lot of words, okay. Uh anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, iball.

1:28:19.080 --> 1:28:21.160
<v Speaker 2>I know, Yeah that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I agree

1:28:21.240 --> 1:28:25.120
<v Speaker 2>hundred percent. Uh, Cassandra, I hear what you're saying. And

1:28:25.200 --> 1:28:29.120
<v Speaker 2>I understand the the coaching staff thing is interesting and

1:28:29.640 --> 1:28:32.080
<v Speaker 2>I would love to know, you know, truth Serum Bill

1:28:32.520 --> 1:28:34.040
<v Speaker 2>or feel like we have a lot of things to

1:28:34.080 --> 1:28:37.040
<v Speaker 2>ask true Sierram Bill these days, but true Serum Bill, Like,

1:28:37.680 --> 1:28:40.400
<v Speaker 2>was he on did he did that hurt his feelings?

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<v Speaker 3>That? Like?

1:28:40.720 --> 1:28:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Is that okay that he did that?

1:28:41.960 --> 1:28:44.439
<v Speaker 2>Like with McDaniels with the coaching staff, right, like, well,

1:28:44.520 --> 1:28:47.439
<v Speaker 2>it seemed like that was something that was discussed between

1:28:47.479 --> 1:28:50.360
<v Speaker 2>the two of that. But I can't imagine gutting the

1:28:50.520 --> 1:28:52.760
<v Speaker 2>entire coaching staff was really what Bill had in mind.

1:28:52.840 --> 1:28:54.920
<v Speaker 1>No, And remember because Nick Cayley was the one guy

1:28:54.920 --> 1:28:57.240
<v Speaker 1>that couldn't leave. So yeah, clearly Bill put his foot

1:28:57.280 --> 1:28:59.000
<v Speaker 1>down somewhere. But I go back to the piece from

1:28:59.000 --> 1:29:01.639
<v Speaker 1>the HBO document with Bill Belichick and Nick Saban where

1:29:01.640 --> 1:29:04.479
<v Speaker 1>they talk about we have a role when you get

1:29:04.560 --> 1:29:07.000
<v Speaker 1>when you go run your own program, You run your

1:29:07.000 --> 1:29:09.840
<v Speaker 1>own program, you don't cut our program. And let's not

1:29:09.920 --> 1:29:12.200
<v Speaker 1>say he can't take a guy or two, but he

1:29:12.240 --> 1:29:14.559
<v Speaker 1>took the entire offensive staff but one guy, yeah, most

1:29:14.560 --> 1:29:14.720
<v Speaker 1>of it.

1:29:14.880 --> 1:29:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like and Troy, he didn't take care of Vinnie,

1:29:18.120 --> 1:29:20.400
<v Speaker 2>but he so he took Lombardy. He took a heart

1:29:20.439 --> 1:29:22.080
<v Speaker 2>degree and he took carm Brisilla.

1:29:22.280 --> 1:29:25.280
<v Speaker 1>Vinnie wasn't like really on this, like he was an

1:29:25.280 --> 1:29:29.040
<v Speaker 1>assistant running because the guy's position coach level and higher. Right,

1:29:29.080 --> 1:29:29.479
<v Speaker 1>he took.

1:29:29.680 --> 1:29:33.479
<v Speaker 2>But I think it's a I agree with Cassandra in

1:29:33.640 --> 1:29:36.360
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent about it being a huge factor as

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<v Speaker 2>to why the last two years have been a disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it's it's if if the the you know that

1:29:42.560 --> 1:29:45.160
<v Speaker 1>meme where it's like the the little brick and the

1:29:45.160 --> 1:29:46.920
<v Speaker 1>guy pushes it and then there's the big brick at

1:29:46.960 --> 1:29:51.320
<v Speaker 1>the end. Uh. John Gruen doesn't send that email. Yeah,

1:29:51.320 --> 1:29:53.559
<v Speaker 1>who knows where the Patriots are at right now? Geez,

1:29:53.760 --> 1:29:56.040
<v Speaker 1>because because I don't know that anybody else was hiring

1:29:56.120 --> 1:30:00.080
<v Speaker 1>Josh McDaniels. They're Raiders. It was a unique situation. And

1:30:00.280 --> 1:30:03.680
<v Speaker 1>if if Josh McDaniels doesn't get that job, if the

1:30:03.680 --> 1:30:05.479
<v Speaker 1>Patriots won a Super Bowl with Mac Jones, I don't

1:30:05.479 --> 1:30:07.519
<v Speaker 1>think so. But I don't think we're sitting here talking

1:30:07.520 --> 1:30:08.920
<v Speaker 1>about Drake Man Kayle Williams either.

1:30:09.040 --> 1:30:11.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's so, I mean they you know, we talk

1:30:11.160 --> 1:30:15.879
<v Speaker 2>a lot about the quarterback development, what about the offensive

1:30:15.880 --> 1:30:20.120
<v Speaker 2>line development? Like what is what does Cole Strange look

1:30:20.240 --> 1:30:23.200
<v Speaker 2>like now if Carl Brisilla has been his line coast

1:30:23.280 --> 1:30:26.920
<v Speaker 2>the whole time. I really, I've said this yesterday on PU.

1:30:27.360 --> 1:30:29.360
<v Speaker 2>I think car Brisilla is a really really good.

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<v Speaker 1>Line And let's not forget he was in terms of

1:30:31.800 --> 1:30:36.760
<v Speaker 1>like degrees of separation. He worked directly with Dante Scarnekia. Yeah,

1:30:36.800 --> 1:30:39.640
<v Speaker 1>he was the last, the last him and Pop and

1:30:39.720 --> 1:30:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Pop who's now with the Texans. Yeah, so you were

1:30:43.920 --> 1:30:47.160
<v Speaker 1>removed from that Dante and Matt Patricia comes in and

1:30:47.200 --> 1:30:50.120
<v Speaker 1>changes bro. Now Adrian Clem played for Scars, so you

1:30:50.200 --> 1:30:52.679
<v Speaker 1>know its exactly. Players have said that there's some similarities there,

1:30:52.720 --> 1:30:57.840
<v Speaker 1>but it's all the domino of system. They just have

1:30:58.000 --> 1:31:02.240
<v Speaker 1>to coach it. The domino effect, the butterfly effect of

1:31:02.360 --> 1:31:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Josh McDaniels leaving is I don't think we'll ever truly understand.

1:31:06.880 --> 1:31:08.240
<v Speaker 1>We won't because we don't know that. There's no way

1:31:08.280 --> 1:31:11.040
<v Speaker 1>to know. I would say the reason people wanted to

1:31:11.080 --> 1:31:15.040
<v Speaker 1>come back, speaking for somebody who's interested by it, I don't.

1:31:15.120 --> 1:31:18.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't need it. But one there's that thing of

1:31:19.560 --> 1:31:23.320
<v Speaker 1>if they if Mayo is the next guy or a

1:31:23.520 --> 1:31:27.240
<v Speaker 1>defensive head coach. I like the idea that you have

1:31:27.240 --> 1:31:29.599
<v Speaker 1>an offensive coordinator that's not going anywhere. I think there

1:31:29.680 --> 1:31:32.439
<v Speaker 1>is value in that has to happen. I also think

1:31:32.600 --> 1:31:37.000
<v Speaker 1>even some of the great offensive minds developing a young

1:31:37.080 --> 1:31:41.320
<v Speaker 1>quarterback is its own thing independent of that. And Josh

1:31:41.439 --> 1:31:44.240
<v Speaker 1>McDaniels got a really good Rooki year at a mac

1:31:44.320 --> 1:31:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Jones and Aidan O'Connell doesn't look bad either, for whatever

1:31:47.439 --> 1:31:50.240
<v Speaker 1>that's worth. So this is a guy that can work

1:31:50.280 --> 1:31:53.880
<v Speaker 1>with young quarterbacks. And there's like can not.

1:31:53.880 --> 1:31:57.320
<v Speaker 2>To mention, like, you know, Jimmy G and Jacoby Present.

1:31:57.240 --> 1:31:58.800
<v Speaker 1>He made he made people think Jimmy G was a

1:31:58.800 --> 1:32:02.000
<v Speaker 1>starting NFL quarterback ten years ago. He might have been

1:32:02.040 --> 1:32:04.120
<v Speaker 1>before all the injuries. To be fair, well, the injuries

1:32:04.160 --> 1:32:05.639
<v Speaker 1>are part of it. Anyway, we don't need to revisit

1:32:05.680 --> 1:32:10.320
<v Speaker 1>that one. The point being that would be the argument again,

1:32:10.320 --> 1:32:11.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't need it if they were to bring in

1:32:12.000 --> 1:32:15.240
<v Speaker 1>a guy like a Ben Johnson who's worked with who's

1:32:15.320 --> 1:32:17.639
<v Speaker 1>worked and developed a young quarterback, or guy like Eric

1:32:17.640 --> 1:32:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Banemy who was there with Patrick, he was there with

1:32:20.040 --> 1:32:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Mahomes from the beginning. Right Yeah, Okay, now we're talking.

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<v Speaker 1>If they want to go out and get a guy

1:32:25.920 --> 1:32:28.040
<v Speaker 1>like who's never and I'm trying to think of an

1:32:28.040 --> 1:32:29.439
<v Speaker 1>example on a blanket. But if they were to go

1:32:29.439 --> 1:32:32.479
<v Speaker 1>with like a college coach, and I know every college

1:32:32.520 --> 1:32:34.519
<v Speaker 1>coach all they do is develop young quarterbacks, it's different.

1:32:34.880 --> 1:32:36.840
<v Speaker 1>It's different taking a high school than a college game

1:32:36.880 --> 1:32:38.920
<v Speaker 1>than a college kid to the NFL game. Having a

1:32:38.960 --> 1:32:43.440
<v Speaker 1>guy who's developed an NFL quarterback before, like Josh McDaniels,

1:32:43.439 --> 1:32:44.200
<v Speaker 1>there's value there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree. Uh, Patty is an agon. What's up, Patty?

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<v Speaker 3>What's up?

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<v Speaker 10>Guys? Hey, Hey, I get stuck with the line three,

1:32:54.720 --> 1:32:55.920
<v Speaker 10>which is bad all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I had I had a thought yesterday and I

1:33:02.280 --> 1:33:04.360
<v Speaker 2>wanted to get your guys opinion on it.

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<v Speaker 10>So you guys were talking about cash spending the other

1:33:07.560 --> 1:33:11.439
<v Speaker 10>day on c U Evan and budgets, and I was,

1:33:11.560 --> 1:33:13.439
<v Speaker 10>and I had a thought in my head that, you know,

1:33:13.560 --> 1:33:17.320
<v Speaker 10>maybe Craft does get Belichick like a certain amount that

1:33:17.400 --> 1:33:19.240
<v Speaker 10>he has to spend every year and he's not to

1:33:19.320 --> 1:33:24.160
<v Speaker 10>go over it. And and then I thought, well, that

1:33:24.320 --> 1:33:27.760
<v Speaker 10>kind of doesn't make sense, because I mean, you know,

1:33:28.080 --> 1:33:30.200
<v Speaker 10>when he bought the Patriots, he was scared to tell

1:33:30.240 --> 1:33:32.160
<v Speaker 10>my Rusk that he for the amount of money that

1:33:32.200 --> 1:33:36.000
<v Speaker 10>he paid for him, I think if he's the only

1:33:36.080 --> 1:33:38.120
<v Speaker 10>owner to correct me if I'm wrong, But I think

1:33:38.160 --> 1:33:41.320
<v Speaker 10>he's the only owner to privately fund his own stadium,

1:33:41.680 --> 1:33:44.080
<v Speaker 10>so I don't think there's a problem spending money there.

1:33:44.479 --> 1:33:47.760
<v Speaker 10>So I guess he broad question is if you had

1:33:47.800 --> 1:33:50.960
<v Speaker 10>to blame one of the two craft get Belichick on

1:33:51.439 --> 1:33:54.639
<v Speaker 10>not spending money on bringing in good players who would

1:33:54.640 --> 1:33:57.960
<v Speaker 10>have been Because to me, I'm taking Belichick, you know,

1:33:58.640 --> 1:34:01.280
<v Speaker 10>I think I think Kraft gives them the green life

1:34:01.280 --> 1:34:03.559
<v Speaker 10>to spend the money, and he's he's just to uh

1:34:04.120 --> 1:34:06.360
<v Speaker 10>prodgity or just stuck in his ways to do it,

1:34:06.479 --> 1:34:08.320
<v Speaker 10>and that's I'll take. I'll take the answer off.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks, Patty. Look, I I'll tell you right now, this

1:34:12.479 --> 1:34:18.800
<v Speaker 2>is the biggest mystery with this team is who's responsible

1:34:18.840 --> 1:34:21.200
<v Speaker 2>for the fact that they're thirtieth in cash spinning? Is

1:34:21.240 --> 1:34:23.080
<v Speaker 2>it the owner or is that just the way the

1:34:23.080 --> 1:34:24.000
<v Speaker 2>coach wants to run it?

1:34:24.160 --> 1:34:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Right?

1:34:24.320 --> 1:34:27.799
<v Speaker 2>Like I, I wish we could give you a straight answer,

1:34:27.800 --> 1:34:30.400
<v Speaker 2>but I almost don't feel comfortable picking a side because

1:34:31.400 --> 1:34:35.880
<v Speaker 2>nobody knows. Nobody truly knows who's responsible for it. If

1:34:35.920 --> 1:34:38.040
<v Speaker 2>I had to pick a side, I'd actually go right

1:34:38.040 --> 1:34:39.960
<v Speaker 2>down the middle. I would say that they're both in

1:34:40.000 --> 1:34:42.840
<v Speaker 2>line with the fact that you look at these these

1:34:42.880 --> 1:34:44.880
<v Speaker 2>teams spend at three hundred million dollars, they don't need

1:34:44.920 --> 1:34:46.160
<v Speaker 2>to do this, like you know what I mean, Like

1:34:46.200 --> 1:34:49.120
<v Speaker 2>I think that they Bill believes that they can cut

1:34:49.160 --> 1:34:52.520
<v Speaker 2>corners and Craft is happy to cut corners because obviously

1:34:52.720 --> 1:34:55.400
<v Speaker 2>he makes more money that way, and so that they

1:34:55.479 --> 1:34:58.000
<v Speaker 2>I believe that they are aligned on this issue.

1:34:58.200 --> 1:35:01.519
<v Speaker 1>I would say this was the adjective that was used

1:35:01.520 --> 1:35:04.120
<v Speaker 1>for Bill Belichick's extension, lucrative.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, So you think it's because Bill makes

1:35:07.080 --> 1:35:07.679
<v Speaker 2>so much money?

1:35:08.320 --> 1:35:11.719
<v Speaker 1>Uh well, I guess it's glass half full, glass half empty.

1:35:11.720 --> 1:35:13.680
<v Speaker 1>It's it's you could either look at that, as you know,

1:35:13.760 --> 1:35:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Bill makes so much money, so Kraft feels like he's

1:35:15.760 --> 1:35:17.960
<v Speaker 1>spending on the investing more of the coach. You shouldn't

1:35:17.960 --> 1:35:20.600
<v Speaker 1>have to invest more in the players. Or would a

1:35:20.640 --> 1:35:24.120
<v Speaker 1>guy that's you know, cheap and air quotes pay a

1:35:24.120 --> 1:35:27.720
<v Speaker 1>coach that much money? Yeah? So, and that that could

1:35:27.760 --> 1:35:29.519
<v Speaker 1>be open for interm I leaned the second way.

1:35:29.600 --> 1:35:33.400
<v Speaker 2>So we did get an email, and I'll leave it alone.

1:35:33.479 --> 1:35:37.479
<v Speaker 2>But okay, not the second part, Like you don't need

1:35:37.479 --> 1:35:39.840
<v Speaker 2>to do the snark part of the email, right, Like.

1:35:39.840 --> 1:35:40.680
<v Speaker 1>I just don't want to see it.

1:35:40.760 --> 1:35:43.799
<v Speaker 2>Just just like make the point that you want to make. Curious,

1:35:43.880 --> 1:35:47.080
<v Speaker 2>Like we talk a lot, like we have, there's a

1:35:47.080 --> 1:35:49.559
<v Speaker 2>lot of discussion we do, like eight hours a week

1:35:49.600 --> 1:35:53.200
<v Speaker 2>of radio on Patriots dot com. Like, just just save

1:35:53.280 --> 1:35:56.679
<v Speaker 2>your snark, right, Like, Okay, So we're talking yesterday about

1:35:56.720 --> 1:35:59.080
<v Speaker 2>this whole issue, and I brought up, you know, the

1:35:59.160 --> 1:36:02.200
<v Speaker 2>easiest way to move money around in the NFL is

1:36:02.240 --> 1:36:04.720
<v Speaker 2>to confirm base salary into signing bonus, right.

1:36:05.280 --> 1:36:06.519
<v Speaker 1>And the Patriots really don't do that.

1:36:06.560 --> 1:36:09.200
<v Speaker 2>A whole lot. They do, but they don't do a

1:36:09.200 --> 1:36:11.200
<v Speaker 2>whole lot of it. They did in the Brady years

1:36:11.200 --> 1:36:13.000
<v Speaker 2>because they were trying to win Super Bowls and they're

1:36:13.000 --> 1:36:16.439
<v Speaker 2>maxing out their caps basically a little bit. They've never

1:36:16.520 --> 1:36:18.599
<v Speaker 2>done it as much as teams that spend a lot

1:36:18.640 --> 1:36:21.080
<v Speaker 2>of money on the roster do. And this guy's saying,

1:36:21.160 --> 1:36:23.960
<v Speaker 2>you know that that money eventually hits the cap. Yeah,

1:36:24.000 --> 1:36:26.360
<v Speaker 2>all the money eventually hits the cap. The only point

1:36:26.360 --> 1:36:28.280
<v Speaker 2>that I was trying to make is in the short term.

1:36:28.840 --> 1:36:31.920
<v Speaker 2>That's that's a way to create cap space in the

1:36:32.000 --> 1:36:35.439
<v Speaker 2>immediate short term, okay, and it pro rates over the

1:36:35.479 --> 1:36:38.320
<v Speaker 2>life of the contract, so you're basically adding a little

1:36:38.320 --> 1:36:40.280
<v Speaker 2>bit here and a little bit there to each year.

1:36:40.840 --> 1:36:42.840
<v Speaker 2>I think they did this with with John Neus Smith,

1:36:43.000 --> 1:36:45.360
<v Speaker 2>and I believe they did this with Judon to an

1:36:45.360 --> 1:36:47.479
<v Speaker 2>extent as well. They've done it in the past with

1:36:47.520 --> 1:36:50.360
<v Speaker 2>a couple of other guys. The point being, though, is

1:36:50.400 --> 1:36:54.720
<v Speaker 2>that if you're willing to dole out the cash, not

1:36:54.880 --> 1:36:59.320
<v Speaker 2>the cap, the cash, you can buy your way into anything.

1:36:59.479 --> 1:37:02.760
<v Speaker 1>So that's people always say, oh, the restructuring of the contract.

1:37:02.760 --> 1:37:04.720
<v Speaker 1>Why doesn't you know every team do that? Because that

1:37:05.160 --> 1:37:07.040
<v Speaker 1>you got to write a player check on the spot, right.

1:37:07.600 --> 1:37:10.479
<v Speaker 2>It's you know, Fred made the point of it's real

1:37:10.520 --> 1:37:13.960
<v Speaker 2>time cash flow, right, and some owners have a lot

1:37:14.040 --> 1:37:16.439
<v Speaker 2>more real time cash than other owners.

1:37:16.200 --> 1:37:18.160
<v Speaker 1>And people forget about that. Like, I don't know if

1:37:18.200 --> 1:37:21.000
<v Speaker 1>you saw what happened in baseball this weekend, Evan with

1:37:21.080 --> 1:37:23.200
<v Speaker 1>the San Diego Padres. They had to take out a

1:37:23.240 --> 1:37:26.519
<v Speaker 1>loan for like fifty million dollars. They spent a lot

1:37:26.560 --> 1:37:28.880
<v Speaker 1>of money, they did, and baseball is different, there's no cap,

1:37:28.880 --> 1:37:30.799
<v Speaker 1>but they'd take out a loan for fifty million dollars

1:37:30.800 --> 1:37:33.240
<v Speaker 1>because they they couldn't pay the players. Like playing it

1:37:33.280 --> 1:37:35.439
<v Speaker 1>simple and a couple of years ago the Raiders, there

1:37:35.479 --> 1:37:36.960
<v Speaker 1>was an issue where they had all this cap space

1:37:37.000 --> 1:37:38.880
<v Speaker 1>and people were saying, why aren't they signing anybody? And

1:37:38.880 --> 1:37:40.880
<v Speaker 1>there was a report that basically have no money. They

1:37:40.920 --> 1:37:43.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't have the cash on hand to give guys signing bonuses.

1:37:43.000 --> 1:37:44.880
<v Speaker 1>They had the cap space, but they didn't have the

1:37:44.960 --> 1:37:47.960
<v Speaker 1>actual cash. So it is the thing that had like,

1:37:47.960 --> 1:37:49.720
<v Speaker 1>we don't think about that, but it is a thing

1:37:49.760 --> 1:37:50.240
<v Speaker 1>that happens.

1:37:50.320 --> 1:37:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So that that's that's definitely part of it. But

1:37:52.680 --> 1:37:54.599
<v Speaker 2>the only point that I was trying to make was

1:37:54.720 --> 1:37:58.200
<v Speaker 2>that the signing bonuses into you know, base salary in

1:37:58.200 --> 1:38:01.479
<v Speaker 2>the signing bonus conversions make a mediate cap space. Yes,

1:38:01.720 --> 1:38:03.760
<v Speaker 2>And the thing is is that, oh, a lot of

1:38:03.800 --> 1:38:05.719
<v Speaker 2>teams and I really want to get to the commander,

1:38:05.760 --> 1:38:07.160
<v Speaker 2>so I don't want to go too long on this.

1:38:07.479 --> 1:38:09.479
<v Speaker 2>A lot of teams do some more calls to h Yeah,

1:38:09.640 --> 1:38:11.559
<v Speaker 2>and both of them are are from out of the country,

1:38:11.600 --> 1:38:12.639
<v Speaker 2>which I always should take those.

1:38:12.680 --> 1:38:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we will.

1:38:13.600 --> 1:38:20.479
<v Speaker 2>So a lot of teams will recognize now that outside

1:38:20.479 --> 1:38:23.800
<v Speaker 2>the COVID you know, fiasco, that the cap is going

1:38:23.880 --> 1:38:27.479
<v Speaker 2>up every single year. So if they move money into

1:38:27.520 --> 1:38:31.559
<v Speaker 2>the future and create money in the immediate they know

1:38:31.680 --> 1:38:33.519
<v Speaker 2>that they are going to be able to absorb that

1:38:33.560 --> 1:38:34.640
<v Speaker 2>because the cap is just going to.

1:38:34.680 --> 1:38:37.519
<v Speaker 1>Go up the d And we're getting in like economics here,

1:38:37.520 --> 1:38:42.599
<v Speaker 1>which I don't really understand, but basically, a dollar of

1:38:42.680 --> 1:38:49.120
<v Speaker 1>cap space in twenty twenty three, yes, is worth or

1:38:49.160 --> 1:38:51.720
<v Speaker 1>is the equivalent to call it, like eighty cents in

1:38:51.800 --> 1:38:54.599
<v Speaker 1>cap space correct in twenty twenty five. So the idea

1:38:54.760 --> 1:38:58.920
<v Speaker 1>is we're pushing this money forward, but the money's not

1:38:59.160 --> 1:39:03.760
<v Speaker 1>worth as much or did they hit you know, relatively

1:39:04.320 --> 1:39:07.720
<v Speaker 1>or to scale, eight million dollars is a bigger an

1:39:07.720 --> 1:39:10.320
<v Speaker 1>eight million dollar cap hit in terms of percentage of

1:39:10.320 --> 1:39:12.880
<v Speaker 1>the cap is a bigger hit in twenty twenty three

1:39:12.960 --> 1:39:14.720
<v Speaker 1>versus if you take it in twenty twenty five. And

1:39:14.760 --> 1:39:16.800
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of the idea behind the Void years too. Yep.

1:39:16.920 --> 1:39:19.720
<v Speaker 2>So, and that's another And the Patriots hardly ever used

1:39:19.800 --> 1:39:22.080
<v Speaker 2>void well, everybody kind of stopped using it. No, a

1:39:22.080 --> 1:39:25.360
<v Speaker 2>lot of the Eagles used tons of void years. I

1:39:25.439 --> 1:39:27.040
<v Speaker 2>like the restructuring better than the Void years. The voy

1:39:27.080 --> 1:39:30.280
<v Speaker 2>years well, but but the Void years restructuring doesn't create

1:39:30.280 --> 1:39:30.679
<v Speaker 2>as much.

1:39:30.600 --> 1:39:32.599
<v Speaker 1>Compt But here here's what I would say to all

1:39:32.640 --> 1:39:37.120
<v Speaker 1>of it. Yeah, I think and we will talk more

1:39:37.120 --> 1:39:39.120
<v Speaker 1>about this in the offseason. You mentioned John new Smith

1:39:39.160 --> 1:39:41.000
<v Speaker 1>earlier and kind of the going out and spending on

1:39:41.000 --> 1:39:45.360
<v Speaker 1>players and hit this time, right. The Hunter Henry john

1:39:45.720 --> 1:39:48.559
<v Speaker 1>Smith thing is interesting because they went one for two.

1:39:48.600 --> 1:39:50.280
<v Speaker 1>They give out two big contracts, they went one for two.

1:39:50.320 --> 1:39:52.679
<v Speaker 1>You're not gonna hit on every contract. Yeah. People throw

1:39:52.720 --> 1:39:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Nelson Agler in that conversation as well. They made Nelson

1:39:55.960 --> 1:39:58.479
<v Speaker 1>Aglo the twenty second highest paid receiver in football.

1:39:58.680 --> 1:40:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they got about that. He was a mid level player.

1:40:02.080 --> 1:40:04.759
<v Speaker 1>I think that And this is more to the fans

1:40:04.760 --> 1:40:06.840
<v Speaker 1>than the team. I actually think the team understands this,

1:40:07.160 --> 1:40:08.840
<v Speaker 1>just based on some moves they've made in the past.

1:40:08.880 --> 1:40:12.840
<v Speaker 1>But when's the last time, you know, when team signed

1:40:12.840 --> 1:40:15.760
<v Speaker 1>those big contracts, people, oh my god, there's so much money.

1:40:15.760 --> 1:40:19.960
<v Speaker 1>That's ridiculous, Kirk, when's the last time one of those

1:40:19.960 --> 1:40:23.000
<v Speaker 1>big contracts the player was good and we still said

1:40:23.040 --> 1:40:26.000
<v Speaker 1>it was a bad contract. Never, like I said about

1:40:26.040 --> 1:40:28.599
<v Speaker 1>Joe Tooney, like that was a hugere's there. There is

1:40:28.640 --> 1:40:30.760
<v Speaker 1>no such thing, and people are going to lose it

1:40:30.760 --> 1:40:32.200
<v Speaker 1>as some of the taste of it. So one, let's

1:40:32.200 --> 1:40:35.360
<v Speaker 1>recap the NFL draft orders irrelevant, which is a bit

1:40:35.360 --> 1:40:38.320
<v Speaker 1>of a stretch. So to Thatay, it's one thing you're

1:40:38.320 --> 1:40:41.680
<v Speaker 1>picking twentieth, but fifty to third. I'm now going to say,

1:40:41.760 --> 1:40:43.880
<v Speaker 1>there's no such thing as a bad contract in the NFL.

1:40:43.880 --> 1:40:47.679
<v Speaker 1>It's just bad players. If the player plays well over

1:40:47.720 --> 1:40:50.360
<v Speaker 1>the course of the contract, it's not gonna look that bad.

1:40:50.400 --> 1:40:53.160
<v Speaker 1>Patrick Mahomes, Oh my god, fifty million a year? Are

1:40:53.160 --> 1:40:55.439
<v Speaker 1>you kidding me? That's unheard of? What was he now

1:40:55.479 --> 1:40:58.320
<v Speaker 1>like the eighth highest paid player quarterback in football? Was

1:40:58.320 --> 1:41:00.000
<v Speaker 1>anybody mad about Patrick Mahomes' comment?

1:41:00.080 --> 1:41:00.160
<v Speaker 3>No?

1:41:00.160 --> 1:41:02.120
<v Speaker 1>But there, How are the Chiefs gonna gonna stomach that

1:41:02.160 --> 1:41:04.679
<v Speaker 1>they're not gonna be able to get another fifty two players.

1:41:04.680 --> 1:41:06.800
<v Speaker 1>They're not gonna be able to afford it the high

1:41:07.160 --> 1:41:08.000
<v Speaker 1>quarterback football.

1:41:08.040 --> 1:41:10.680
<v Speaker 2>That part of it, like people that still believe that,

1:41:11.080 --> 1:41:14.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, Brady had to take last to spread the money,

1:41:14.080 --> 1:41:17.280
<v Speaker 2>like you you must still believe in Santa Claus like that.

1:41:17.080 --> 1:41:19.519
<v Speaker 2>That part of it is just not like that's been

1:41:19.560 --> 1:41:21.640
<v Speaker 2>proven over and over and over again really quickly. On

1:41:21.680 --> 1:41:25.000
<v Speaker 2>the void years thing, though, U so void years. I

1:41:25.040 --> 1:41:27.519
<v Speaker 2>think the one thing about void years is is that

1:41:27.520 --> 1:41:30.920
<v Speaker 2>that that you don't risk much of the bill coming

1:41:31.000 --> 1:41:33.200
<v Speaker 2>do in that sense, if you just re up the

1:41:33.240 --> 1:41:34.719
<v Speaker 2>player before the contract void.

1:41:34.840 --> 1:41:36.160
<v Speaker 1>That's true, there's I don't.

1:41:36.280 --> 1:41:39.880
<v Speaker 2>So that's the thing is like, if you're if you

1:41:40.040 --> 1:41:43.280
<v Speaker 2>tack on void years to a really really good players contract,

1:41:44.000 --> 1:41:45.720
<v Speaker 2>like a young, really good player.

1:41:45.640 --> 1:41:47.040
<v Speaker 1>You gotta do it for young player. You can't do

1:41:47.080 --> 1:41:49.080
<v Speaker 1>it for older players you might retire. Well, they did

1:41:49.080 --> 1:41:51.920
<v Speaker 1>that with mccordy. But the reason why is because they

1:41:51.920 --> 1:41:54.519
<v Speaker 1>were going year to year with Devin so they knew

1:41:54.880 --> 1:41:57.080
<v Speaker 1>that they were going to get the contract done for

1:41:57.120 --> 1:41:59.200
<v Speaker 1>the next year if he was coming back before the

1:41:59.240 --> 1:42:02.879
<v Speaker 1>contract where the yea. So if you're like, let's, for example,

1:42:03.000 --> 1:42:05.240
<v Speaker 1>just use the Cincinnati Bengals, because I think they had

1:42:05.240 --> 1:42:08.000
<v Speaker 1>they're a good example right now, if they were to

1:42:08.200 --> 1:42:11.880
<v Speaker 1>tack void years onto Joe Burrow's contract to space out

1:42:11.920 --> 1:42:14.120
<v Speaker 1>the cap hits, right, and to space out the cap

1:42:14.200 --> 1:42:19.160
<v Speaker 1>dollars in five years when Joe Burrow's contract expires, they're

1:42:19.280 --> 1:42:22.240
<v Speaker 1>re signing Joe Burrow right, Like, he's not hitting the

1:42:22.280 --> 1:42:25.519
<v Speaker 1>open market, so the contract is never gonna avoid So

1:42:25.600 --> 1:42:28.519
<v Speaker 1>now the can just kicks gets kicked down the road again, right,

1:42:28.600 --> 1:42:31.200
<v Speaker 1>And that's the whole thing is like everybody always says

1:42:31.200 --> 1:42:33.599
<v Speaker 1>to me, like the bill, the bill eventually comes due.

1:42:34.360 --> 1:42:37.280
<v Speaker 1>And I always use the same analogy, like it's not

1:42:37.360 --> 1:42:40.000
<v Speaker 1>like some you know, bully is coming to collect, Like

1:42:40.200 --> 1:42:43.000
<v Speaker 1>nobody's coming to collect. It's never collected. As long as

1:42:43.040 --> 1:42:45.800
<v Speaker 1>you continue to manage it. That's basically where it comes to.

1:42:45.840 --> 1:42:47.840
<v Speaker 1>You have to constantly manage it. And that's kind of

1:42:47.880 --> 1:42:50.160
<v Speaker 1>what the people point to the Rams as the example. Right,

1:42:50.160 --> 1:42:52.800
<v Speaker 1>they had to tear down their roster. They didn't manage it.

1:42:52.840 --> 1:42:55.439
<v Speaker 1>They just signed all these they went all in, heavily

1:42:55.479 --> 1:42:58.000
<v Speaker 1>loaded future deals and then let them all hit the

1:42:58.000 --> 1:42:58.559
<v Speaker 1>cap at once.

1:42:58.720 --> 1:43:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like that you can do. They paid for a

1:43:01.080 --> 1:43:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Super Bowl, right, and they won?

1:43:02.520 --> 1:43:02.640
<v Speaker 3>Right.

1:43:03.160 --> 1:43:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Tim is in Sydney, Australia. What's up, Tim?

1:43:07.760 --> 1:43:08.599
<v Speaker 3>What's happening on fellow?

1:43:10.760 --> 1:43:12.280
<v Speaker 1>What time is it there? Yeah? Right?

1:43:12.880 --> 1:43:14.960
<v Speaker 3>Uh quarter to three in the morning.

1:43:15.680 --> 1:43:19.880
<v Speaker 1>I love that, Tim, That's awesome. Let's go m That's

1:43:19.920 --> 1:43:20.680
<v Speaker 1>what I want to hear.

1:43:21.000 --> 1:43:23.320
<v Speaker 3>Hell yeah, So I've got I've got Madden on the

1:43:23.320 --> 1:43:25.240
<v Speaker 3>PlayStation and I've got you guys on the phone.

1:43:25.320 --> 1:43:26.599
<v Speaker 1>Yes are you?

1:43:26.680 --> 1:43:31.240
<v Speaker 2>Are you just best friend? Like, go ahead a night.

1:43:31.960 --> 1:43:32.719
<v Speaker 2>What do you got.

1:43:34.160 --> 1:43:34.240
<v Speaker 10>So?

1:43:34.280 --> 1:43:36.599
<v Speaker 3>I've got a stull names for you all right before

1:43:36.640 --> 1:43:39.160
<v Speaker 3>you agents at the end of the Sea. I heard

1:43:39.200 --> 1:43:42.799
<v Speaker 3>you mentioned Higgins before. What do you reckon Mike, Kevin,

1:43:43.840 --> 1:43:49.520
<v Speaker 3>Quise Brown, Calvin Ridley, Michael Pittman, Ate Davis kJ Osborne,

1:43:49.760 --> 1:43:52.240
<v Speaker 3>Tyler Boy. If they don't sign, if they don't really

1:43:52.280 --> 1:43:54.559
<v Speaker 3>sign with their team, who gives us the best chance

1:43:54.600 --> 1:43:55.120
<v Speaker 3>going forward?

1:43:55.560 --> 1:43:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, thanks Tim, and thanks for staying up to listen.

1:43:57.960 --> 1:44:02.680
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that. So I think so Calvin Ridley's a

1:44:02.680 --> 1:44:05.600
<v Speaker 2>free agent. I didn't realize that.

1:44:06.080 --> 1:44:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

1:44:06.840 --> 1:44:09.559
<v Speaker 2>I think that he's probably the best fit for them,

1:44:09.600 --> 1:44:11.559
<v Speaker 2>but my guess is that he remains in Jackson.

1:44:12.520 --> 1:44:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1:44:14.360 --> 1:44:18.360
<v Speaker 2>So I'm not a big I I like Pittman as

1:44:18.400 --> 1:44:21.960
<v Speaker 2>a player, not not a big fit guy for Pittman,

1:44:22.240 --> 1:44:27.960
<v Speaker 2>I worry about big body X receiver. I in some

1:44:28.000 --> 1:44:30.720
<v Speaker 2>ways like I just don't love that fit. And I

1:44:30.760 --> 1:44:32.960
<v Speaker 2>think that T. Higgins is just a better player, so

1:44:33.000 --> 1:44:33.880
<v Speaker 2>he might transcend.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, so I would say that there's a lot

1:44:39.720 --> 1:44:42.080
<v Speaker 1>of Mike. Evan has been really impressive this year. He

1:44:42.120 --> 1:44:44.879
<v Speaker 1>had every reason to tap out and he's been awesome.

1:44:45.120 --> 1:44:47.720
<v Speaker 1>And if he can beat I don't know that I'd

1:44:47.720 --> 1:44:50.200
<v Speaker 1>give him five years. But if they are gonna do

1:44:50.280 --> 1:44:53.160
<v Speaker 1>the thing of we're gonna bring back mac Jones back

1:44:53.200 --> 1:44:54.680
<v Speaker 1>on the last year and really see what we can do.

1:44:55.280 --> 1:44:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Mike Evans on like a two or three year deal

1:44:57.040 --> 1:44:59.000
<v Speaker 1>would make sense. I I could get into Mike Evans,

1:44:59.000 --> 1:45:00.920
<v Speaker 1>the sneaky interest name he put in there, and he

1:45:00.960 --> 1:45:02.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of snuck it at the end. Yeah. I like

1:45:03.040 --> 1:45:07.599
<v Speaker 1>Tyler Boyd for them. He's older, he's yeah, Tyler Boyd,

1:45:07.720 --> 1:45:11.960
<v Speaker 1>he's like thirty. I don't think so he is, he's

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight.

1:45:12.840 --> 1:45:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a lot of I feel like there's not

1:45:15.240 --> 1:45:16.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, he's had a lot of.

1:45:16.120 --> 1:45:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Money, he's got he he reminds me a lot of

1:45:18.439 --> 1:45:21.559
<v Speaker 1>Jacobe Myers. Yeah, in that sense. And if if they like,

1:45:21.680 --> 1:45:23.160
<v Speaker 1>let's say they found a way to move on from

1:45:23.240 --> 1:45:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Juju Smith Schuster, but they still want that kind of player. Yeah.

1:45:25.800 --> 1:45:28.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you taught you signed Tyler Boyd and

1:45:28.840 --> 1:45:31.880
<v Speaker 1>your wide receiver room is fixed. But if it was

1:45:31.880 --> 1:45:33.519
<v Speaker 1>like Mike Evans and Tyler Boyd.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So let me ask you this.

1:45:35.280 --> 1:45:41.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Kendrick Bourne or Tyler Boyd ken Uh, it's tough

1:45:41.680 --> 1:45:43.679
<v Speaker 1>because of the knee fully healthy Kendrick Bourne.

1:45:43.800 --> 1:45:45.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because that that that's the player.

1:45:45.880 --> 1:45:49.080
<v Speaker 1>So if if you feel like like Kendrick Bourne's knee, like,

1:45:49.160 --> 1:45:51.120
<v Speaker 1>isn't there if they were to come out with Mike

1:45:51.160 --> 1:45:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Evans Tyler Boyd to Mario Douglas. Yeah, it's a good

1:45:54.800 --> 1:45:55.760
<v Speaker 1>group's good.

1:45:55.800 --> 1:45:58.360
<v Speaker 2>I'd rather go younger, like I'd rather just pay for T. Higgins,

1:45:58.400 --> 1:46:00.720
<v Speaker 2>but I it's not money, so I know.

1:46:00.800 --> 1:46:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I also just well this is more. It's like

1:46:03.840 --> 1:46:06.360
<v Speaker 1>the second signing, Like, I don't think you're not signing

1:46:06.400 --> 1:46:10.679
<v Speaker 1>Tyler Boyd instead of T Higgins. You're signing Mike Evans,

1:46:10.720 --> 1:46:13.720
<v Speaker 1>in said of T Higgins in this situation, we got one.

1:46:13.760 --> 1:46:16.280
<v Speaker 2>We're calling and I want to get going here. Claire

1:46:16.680 --> 1:46:18.439
<v Speaker 2>is in the UK. What's up Claire?

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<v Speaker 11>Hi? Then Marine, I thought i'd ring in because you

1:46:25.320 --> 1:46:27.240
<v Speaker 11>were complaining that you didn't have women callers.

1:46:28.880 --> 1:46:31.479
<v Speaker 1>I know, objective question. We got to ask now that

1:46:31.560 --> 1:46:32.439
<v Speaker 1>what time is it there?

1:46:33.760 --> 1:46:35.840
<v Speaker 11>Oh, I see, I'm not I can't be as good.

1:46:35.920 --> 1:46:38.280
<v Speaker 8>It's only like a quarter to four in the afternoon.

1:46:38.320 --> 1:46:40.240
<v Speaker 8>So it's really nothing special here.

1:46:41.120 --> 1:46:42.800
<v Speaker 1>That's so cool. I mean three in the morning.

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<v Speaker 8>It's yeah, I can't get the accolades that he has.

1:46:49.280 --> 1:46:51.439
<v Speaker 8>I can't complete it's it's just the afternoon.

1:46:51.920 --> 1:46:56.360
<v Speaker 11>What you got wellpecially Evan, thank you very much for

1:46:56.400 --> 1:46:59.040
<v Speaker 11>doing a clip yesterday. Of course on the battle that

1:46:59.080 --> 1:47:01.960
<v Speaker 11>I did send an email in because he seems really

1:47:02.000 --> 1:47:03.759
<v Speaker 11>appointed that I didn't have a tight in his question.

1:47:04.040 --> 1:47:04.519
<v Speaker 1>That's true.

1:47:04.600 --> 1:47:05.519
<v Speaker 5>Obviously I've thought of.

1:47:05.479 --> 1:47:07.559
<v Speaker 8>One, so I tried to drop an email, but with

1:47:07.640 --> 1:47:09.080
<v Speaker 8>the time and stuff, I thought i'd give you a.

1:47:09.120 --> 1:47:11.559
<v Speaker 10>Quick call it, especially after you sort of seem to want.

1:47:11.439 --> 1:47:15.960
<v Speaker 8>Female callers do. Whilst Brown is quickly becoming a steal

1:47:16.000 --> 1:47:18.920
<v Speaker 8>for the pages and like his skill set is evolving

1:47:19.120 --> 1:47:20.479
<v Speaker 8>and I am really quite.

1:47:20.320 --> 1:47:21.280
<v Speaker 5>Excited by him.

1:47:21.720 --> 1:47:25.719
<v Speaker 11>How can the Patriots utilize slash news GISECI more.

1:47:25.560 --> 1:47:26.360
<v Speaker 8>Than they are now?

1:47:26.880 --> 1:47:28.559
<v Speaker 11>What is their key? Tell them?

1:47:28.600 --> 1:47:33.080
<v Speaker 8>Because I was ecstatic by the signing going into the season,

1:47:33.560 --> 1:47:35.599
<v Speaker 8>and as you know, I just really want to see

1:47:35.680 --> 1:47:36.080
<v Speaker 8>him more.

1:47:36.200 --> 1:47:37.280
<v Speaker 11>So I'll take it off there.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks guys, great, Thanks Claire, appreciate it. Thanks for the car.

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<v Speaker 2>So what I have liked about the usage with Kisiki

1:47:45.320 --> 1:47:47.639
<v Speaker 2>and the tight ends, and I should mention Pharaoh Brown

1:47:47.880 --> 1:47:50.120
<v Speaker 2>didn't practice yesterday with a back injury.

1:47:50.200 --> 1:47:53.600
<v Speaker 1>So this receiver best tight end Football Corner PFF qualifiers.

1:47:53.760 --> 1:47:56.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this might be moot, but what I do like

1:47:56.920 --> 1:47:59.280
<v Speaker 2>about what they've been doing is when they've been playing

1:47:59.320 --> 1:48:01.080
<v Speaker 2>twelve you know, two tight ends on the field at

1:48:01.080 --> 1:48:04.240
<v Speaker 2>the same time. It's been Pharaoh Brown as the inline

1:48:04.280 --> 1:48:08.120
<v Speaker 2>guy with Gasiki or Henry instead of Gaziki and Henry

1:48:08.160 --> 1:48:10.800
<v Speaker 2>together because clearly those two guys can't block together, right,

1:48:10.840 --> 1:48:13.479
<v Speaker 2>It's just two weaker blockers on the field at the

1:48:13.520 --> 1:48:15.920
<v Speaker 2>same time and it's not gonna work. So Pharaoh Brown

1:48:16.000 --> 1:48:17.560
<v Speaker 2>is now out there as like the hand in the

1:48:17.640 --> 1:48:20.680
<v Speaker 2>dirt inline guy that allows them to use Kasiki and

1:48:20.720 --> 1:48:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Henry as more of the detached, you know, move piece

1:48:23.479 --> 1:48:26.720
<v Speaker 2>at tight end, which I really like in terms of

1:48:26.760 --> 1:48:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Kasiki specifically, Well, one, if they need to get in

1:48:30.080 --> 1:48:33.200
<v Speaker 2>the red zone, because that's like, let's get the ball

1:48:33.280 --> 1:48:36.599
<v Speaker 2>into the red zone and actually use his zone threat, yeah,

1:48:36.640 --> 1:48:39.080
<v Speaker 2>like they did against Buffalo to win the game. You know,

1:48:39.120 --> 1:48:41.800
<v Speaker 2>that would be a step one, step two. I think

1:48:41.800 --> 1:48:44.680
<v Speaker 2>what it has been disappointing is the lack of like

1:48:44.800 --> 1:48:49.640
<v Speaker 2>seam and crossers. Tokaiki Gasiki is not He's not like

1:48:49.680 --> 1:48:51.679
<v Speaker 2>a sudden route runner, like he's not like a guy

1:48:51.720 --> 1:48:53.640
<v Speaker 2>that's gonna break you down and make moves at the

1:48:53.640 --> 1:48:56.120
<v Speaker 2>top of the route to get open. He's a straight line,

1:48:56.160 --> 1:48:59.640
<v Speaker 2>speed like explosive type of tight end and then obviously

1:48:59.680 --> 1:49:02.599
<v Speaker 2>you know he's above the rim, so I would you know,

1:49:02.640 --> 1:49:04.200
<v Speaker 2>I was really hoping, and I think we saw it

1:49:04.240 --> 1:49:06.000
<v Speaker 2>a little bit in camp, don't you feel like we did,

1:49:06.080 --> 1:49:07.960
<v Speaker 2>like the seam shots and things like.

1:49:07.920 --> 1:49:09.640
<v Speaker 1>That, so we thought I was Remember we had the

1:49:09.680 --> 1:49:13.559
<v Speaker 1>whole conversation about who's going to stretch the field and yeah, yeah.

1:49:13.439 --> 1:49:15.719
<v Speaker 2>And they just haven't really gotten into that very much.

1:49:15.760 --> 1:49:18.439
<v Speaker 2>So that's what I would like to see. More Gaziki

1:49:18.560 --> 1:49:21.240
<v Speaker 2>up the seam, a play action and then have him

1:49:21.280 --> 1:49:24.280
<v Speaker 2>be the guy that's like running behind the linebackers, whether

1:49:24.320 --> 1:49:26.519
<v Speaker 2>it's up the seam it's a crossing route, because I

1:49:26.520 --> 1:49:28.720
<v Speaker 2>think he's the fastest guy of the three, and I

1:49:28.720 --> 1:49:30.000
<v Speaker 2>think he's probably the best guy.

1:49:30.280 --> 1:49:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Well I don't know.

1:49:31.040 --> 1:49:33.360
<v Speaker 2>I take back best guy after the catch because Farah

1:49:33.360 --> 1:49:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Brown has just been an app you can't tackle, you

1:49:35.720 --> 1:49:37.120
<v Speaker 2>just have to hold on for dear life and wait

1:49:37.120 --> 1:49:37.320
<v Speaker 2>for me.

1:49:37.400 --> 1:49:37.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:49:37.600 --> 1:49:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, I won't say that, but he's definitely the

1:49:39.800 --> 1:49:42.960
<v Speaker 2>most explosive in a straight line before the catch shout

1:49:42.960 --> 1:49:44.600
<v Speaker 2>out of any of these guys. So that stretched the

1:49:44.600 --> 1:49:46.439
<v Speaker 2>field a little bit with Kasiki, That's where I would

1:49:46.479 --> 1:49:49.000
<v Speaker 2>go with that. So we have ten minutes. I wanted

1:49:49.000 --> 1:49:52.000
<v Speaker 2>to do almost twenty minutes on the Commander, so we

1:49:52.040 --> 1:49:55.000
<v Speaker 2>have to condense this to ten minutes. So I have

1:49:55.040 --> 1:49:57.040
<v Speaker 2>two things about the Commanders I want to talk about

1:49:57.120 --> 1:49:58.640
<v Speaker 2>in terms of this game and in terms of the

1:49:58.640 --> 1:50:01.559
<v Speaker 2>big picture. H you want to start offense defense? Which

1:50:01.560 --> 1:50:04.519
<v Speaker 2>one offense for Patriots are? Sorry, oh, I don't know,

1:50:04.560 --> 1:50:08.360
<v Speaker 2>pick one man? Okay, offense for the Commanders. I really

1:50:08.400 --> 1:50:11.200
<v Speaker 2>really like Eric Bienemy. I like what he's dialing up.

1:50:12.240 --> 1:50:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Sam Howl. Sam Howe stinks. Okay, he's not very good.

1:50:15.800 --> 1:50:19.080
<v Speaker 2>Sam how holds the ball forever. Uh, he can't. Every

1:50:19.120 --> 1:50:21.439
<v Speaker 2>time you move him off his spot and he has

1:50:21.479 --> 1:50:24.320
<v Speaker 2>to reset and throw the ball goes all over the

1:50:24.320 --> 1:50:27.000
<v Speaker 2>place like he's like there's like wide open wide receivers

1:50:27.000 --> 1:50:30.040
<v Speaker 2>down the field and they're like digging out grounders because

1:50:30.080 --> 1:50:31.880
<v Speaker 2>he all because he had to move a little bit

1:50:31.920 --> 1:50:34.800
<v Speaker 2>to his left right. So Sam Hel's not very good.

1:50:35.120 --> 1:50:37.559
<v Speaker 2>Their offense statistically is not very good. They're like twenty

1:50:37.560 --> 1:50:39.400
<v Speaker 2>six in the league in DVA. I'm not trying to

1:50:39.400 --> 1:50:42.120
<v Speaker 2>tell you that he's like turning, you know, water into

1:50:42.160 --> 1:50:46.280
<v Speaker 2>wine completely, but he's brought the Andy Reid playbook to Washington,

1:50:46.840 --> 1:50:50.160
<v Speaker 2>and there's a lot of fun scheme stuff going on

1:50:50.200 --> 1:50:52.960
<v Speaker 2>in Washington right now. And their receivers are actually pretty good.

1:50:53.040 --> 1:50:55.559
<v Speaker 2>Like I think Terry McLaurin and Johan Dotson can play.

1:50:55.720 --> 1:50:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Logan Thomas is a decent receiving tight end. I had

1:50:59.000 --> 1:51:02.439
<v Speaker 2>some person, Samuel had some sneaky fun watching this Commander's offense.

1:51:02.520 --> 1:51:05.000
<v Speaker 2>They do a lot of things that put defenses in

1:51:05.040 --> 1:51:08.280
<v Speaker 2>binds from a pass game perspective. And they chuck it, man.

1:51:08.360 --> 1:51:10.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're they're first in the league and dropbacks

1:51:11.000 --> 1:51:13.120
<v Speaker 2>they're fourth in the league and early down pass rate.

1:51:13.640 --> 1:51:15.720
<v Speaker 2>They throw the ball and they throw it a lot,

1:51:16.160 --> 1:51:18.599
<v Speaker 2>and I like that, you know, I like that. That's

1:51:18.600 --> 1:51:19.400
<v Speaker 2>an analytics thing.

1:51:19.479 --> 1:51:22.160
<v Speaker 1>And what's what's really interesting about it is they have

1:51:22.280 --> 1:51:24.839
<v Speaker 1>five players with more than twenty catches and eight players

1:51:24.840 --> 1:51:26.960
<v Speaker 1>more with more one hundred yards this season. They're spreading

1:51:27.000 --> 1:51:29.360
<v Speaker 1>that thing out. It's not I mean, and Bill kind

1:51:29.360 --> 1:51:31.360
<v Speaker 1>of talked about this yesterday when we were asking about

1:51:31.400 --> 1:51:34.120
<v Speaker 1>mclarty's Like, mclaurin's good, but they'll get the ball to

1:51:34.120 --> 1:51:37.000
<v Speaker 1>the other guys too. This is not an offense that's

1:51:37.000 --> 1:51:40.120
<v Speaker 1>funneled through one spot. Yeah, and that for a team

1:51:40.160 --> 1:51:42.639
<v Speaker 1>that has the injuries on defense like the Patriots, specially

1:51:42.640 --> 1:51:44.240
<v Speaker 1>in the second area, that can be tough. Everybody's got

1:51:44.320 --> 1:51:46.400
<v Speaker 1>to show up. You're gonna need Jack Jones in this game.

1:51:46.439 --> 1:51:49.280
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna need John Jones in this game. Yeah, You're

1:51:49.280 --> 1:51:51.840
<v Speaker 1>gonna need whoever the third corner ends up at jac

1:51:51.960 --> 1:51:52.519
<v Speaker 1>Jackson in this game.

1:51:52.560 --> 1:51:52.800
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

1:51:52.840 --> 1:51:55.120
<v Speaker 1>I just blanked on that. So I'm across the board.

1:51:55.320 --> 1:51:58.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm worried about this game from a from that standpoint

1:51:58.800 --> 1:52:03.680
<v Speaker 2>because a defensively for the Patriots, that the enemy is

1:52:03.760 --> 1:52:07.080
<v Speaker 2>running the system that the Eagles beat the Patriots with

1:52:07.120 --> 1:52:09.599
<v Speaker 2>in the Super Bowl, that the Chiefs always put points

1:52:09.640 --> 1:52:12.360
<v Speaker 2>up against the Patriots with, whether it was Nick Foles,

1:52:12.360 --> 1:52:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Alex Smith, Patrick Mahomes, you name it. That that Andy

1:52:15.400 --> 1:52:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Reid Tree is it was able to find winners against

1:52:18.880 --> 1:52:21.840
<v Speaker 2>the Patriots, and that that's the thing is like I

1:52:21.840 --> 1:52:24.200
<v Speaker 2>think when you say oh with the Chiefs, like obviously

1:52:24.200 --> 1:52:26.799
<v Speaker 2>they gave up points to Patrick Mahomes, I mean, big whoop.

1:52:27.000 --> 1:52:29.120
<v Speaker 2>But like Nick Foles also went up and down the

1:52:29.120 --> 1:52:31.800
<v Speaker 2>field on he in the Super Bowl, right, So this

1:52:31.880 --> 1:52:35.320
<v Speaker 2>is a defense that or an offense. Excuse me, that

1:52:35.800 --> 1:52:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Eric b enemy is gonna I think call the game

1:52:38.439 --> 1:52:41.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot like those past games, and he's gonna have

1:52:41.479 --> 1:52:43.920
<v Speaker 2>all those beaters ready to go. They run a lot

1:52:43.960 --> 1:52:46.600
<v Speaker 2>of mesh, which Josh McDaniels did against in in that

1:52:46.720 --> 1:52:49.439
<v Speaker 2>Raiders game. He had, you know, Michael Mayer running wide

1:52:49.479 --> 1:52:51.000
<v Speaker 2>open away from man coverage.

1:52:51.040 --> 1:52:51.559
<v Speaker 1>Like there.

1:52:51.680 --> 1:52:54.800
<v Speaker 2>There's gonna be some problems that they're gonna present for

1:52:54.880 --> 1:52:58.599
<v Speaker 2>the Patriots defensively. And I think if you're the Patriots defense,

1:52:59.240 --> 1:53:01.080
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have to do some things that b en

1:53:01.240 --> 1:53:03.720
<v Speaker 2>Me is not expecting you to do from a coverage standpoint,

1:53:03.760 --> 1:53:06.200
<v Speaker 2>like if you just sit in man coverage here or

1:53:06.280 --> 1:53:08.439
<v Speaker 2>a post safety zone the whole game. He's gonna have

1:53:08.520 --> 1:53:11.479
<v Speaker 2>all that crap ready to go, like wheel routes to

1:53:11.520 --> 1:53:14.679
<v Speaker 2>the running backs, mesh, you know, flooding the deep part

1:53:14.720 --> 1:53:17.080
<v Speaker 2>of Cover three like that. That's what that team does.

1:53:17.160 --> 1:53:20.360
<v Speaker 2>That's what that that offense does. That scheme has done

1:53:20.680 --> 1:53:22.880
<v Speaker 2>against the Patriots, And and the Pats are gonna be

1:53:23.040 --> 1:53:26.439
<v Speaker 2>in trouble if they just run it basic and they're

1:53:26.439 --> 1:53:29.080
<v Speaker 2>gonna have to uh hie, Paul uh, They're gonna have

1:53:29.120 --> 1:53:31.760
<v Speaker 2>to do They're gonna have to do it differently. I

1:53:31.800 --> 1:53:34.920
<v Speaker 2>think Maybeards maybe do a little bit differently we do.

1:53:35.040 --> 1:53:37.880
<v Speaker 2>We argue about that enough on PU on the other

1:53:37.920 --> 1:53:40.439
<v Speaker 2>side of the oh, really quickly, on b enemy next.

1:53:40.320 --> 1:53:42.760
<v Speaker 1>Head coach, he'd be on my short list. He'd be

1:53:42.960 --> 1:53:46.640
<v Speaker 1>mind to the external guys for me? Are I know,

1:53:46.680 --> 1:53:49.320
<v Speaker 1>for Abel's like not super realistic, but yeah him. I

1:53:49.360 --> 1:53:52.080
<v Speaker 1>don't know if n Me's realistic either, Ben Ben Johnson,

1:53:52.800 --> 1:53:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Eric b Me. That's like off those would be the

1:53:54.680 --> 1:53:55.960
<v Speaker 1>top three guys off the top of my head.

1:53:56.120 --> 1:53:59.679
<v Speaker 2>I would I would be really cool with Eric bne

1:53:59.720 --> 1:54:02.080
<v Speaker 2>Me be here if that was the way they went.

1:54:02.160 --> 1:54:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Now is it realistic?

1:54:03.240 --> 1:54:03.479
<v Speaker 3>Is it?

1:54:03.600 --> 1:54:06.800
<v Speaker 1>You know? No, not really, but I'd be cool. Well,

1:54:06.800 --> 1:54:10.439
<v Speaker 1>I'll say this, if there is an argument for happening.

1:54:11.400 --> 1:54:14.760
<v Speaker 1>Clearly teams aren't over the top about hiring him for

1:54:14.840 --> 1:54:20.799
<v Speaker 1>reasons that you know are out there. But it's maybe

1:54:20.880 --> 1:54:22.759
<v Speaker 1>Washington changes it and he is more of a market

1:54:22.760 --> 1:54:24.200
<v Speaker 1>than he did in the past. But he clearly hadn't

1:54:24.200 --> 1:54:26.360
<v Speaker 1>had much of a head coaching market, So I don't know.

1:54:26.439 --> 1:54:28.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, look like I said, I don't he should

1:54:28.320 --> 1:54:31.120
<v Speaker 1>have a market, but he does it. If no other

1:54:31.160 --> 1:54:34.360
<v Speaker 1>team wants him, it's like great, fine take him here.

1:54:34.480 --> 1:54:37.040
<v Speaker 2>Then yeah, like I said, statistically, their offense is not

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<v Speaker 2>anything special. But when you watch the film and you

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<v Speaker 2>watch the scheme and you watch the conflict, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you also watch you know, how he's made Sam Howell like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well that would.

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<v Speaker 1>Be the thing you say, it's not statistically exceptional. What

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<v Speaker 1>happens if you put in an upgrade over Sam Howe?

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<v Speaker 1>Right quarterbacks?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I R thing can pull that off, which I

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<v Speaker 2>think they're going to try to because they just traded

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<v Speaker 2>their two best.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna be When I said before, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter where you're picking. If you want the

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<v Speaker 1>guy at three, you move up, you take them three,

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<v Speaker 1>they are gonna be one of the teams that's doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Drake may and that offense would be would be something

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<v Speaker 2>that would be something Williams and that offensive. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>that eleven to one is like like if that's where

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<v Speaker 2>they're picking, and now maybe the bottom falls out because

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<v Speaker 2>they traded those guys, but or.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe Caleb Williams stock keeps falling. Yeah, I'm saying like,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm Caleb Williams, that's where I want to go

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<v Speaker 1>because that's the cop. Yeah, that's the cop is Patrick

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<v Speaker 1>Mahomes And and and if I'm bim me if he

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<v Speaker 1>falls beyond one, I'm clamoring to get up to two togain.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, all right, really quickly. On the Commander's defense, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>they just traded their two best edge rushers and.

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<v Speaker 1>They still have two of the best defensive front players

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<v Speaker 1>in the league. So that's where I was going.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, this game from that point of view, Uh, Doron

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<v Speaker 2>Payne and Jonathan Allen petrify b in this game. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>Jonathan Allen against Cole Strange is a mighty mismatch, a huge,

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<v Speaker 2>huge mismatch in the Commander's favor. And Uh, that one

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<v Speaker 2>concerns me because those two guys are also more like

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<v Speaker 2>power long physical players, like they're not necessarily get off guys,

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<v Speaker 2>like they're more like pushed the pocket and compress the

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<v Speaker 2>pocket guys. I I am trying hard to find a

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<v Speaker 2>world where Mac Jones doesn't have Jonathan Allen in his

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<v Speaker 2>lap the entire game. Like, I just I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>see how that doesn't happen, So that that's troubling. We

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<v Speaker 2>had an emailer that email did and said, like, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>this is a game where on when it was actually

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<v Speaker 2>better off at guard just because of that matchup, and

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<v Speaker 2>like you, you know, I'm not as worried about the tackles.

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<v Speaker 2>My guess is or you know, the ends. My guess

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<v Speaker 2>is that they'll probably stick to the continuity and try

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<v Speaker 2>to keep building with tackle. But it sound reasoning because

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<v Speaker 2>that's where they're in trouble in this matchup. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the Commander's pass defense is like thirty first

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<v Speaker 2>in the league. In DVA, they're like down near the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom of the league and scoring defense, which is why

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<v Speaker 2>they trained those guys and are kind of, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a boarding mission on that whole defensive line load up

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<v Speaker 2>on the d line strategy. H Emmanuel Forbes is be

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<v Speaker 2>benched and has been awful. A shocker.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that we were very right about. The thing

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<v Speaker 1>when we consens us on a draft pick, we usually

1:57:08.760 --> 1:57:10.400
<v Speaker 1>end up being right. There's not many guys that we

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<v Speaker 1>both agreed on being a hit that weren't hits.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and soh so that that's a this past defense

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<v Speaker 2>can be had. Yeah, And you mentioned Pop Douglas getting

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<v Speaker 2>more attention against Miami. I think in this matchup, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the first time I was trying to go back

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<v Speaker 2>and remember the last time that I wrote a Patriots

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<v Speaker 2>receiver in key matchups having an advantage over a defense, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know, I can't remember the last time

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that to my but I think Pop Douglas

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<v Speaker 2>against the interior players, you know, the linebackers, the slot

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<v Speaker 2>corners of the commanders is a mismatch. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>Pop Douglas should win that matchup. But are they going

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to keep mac Jones up?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's so quick that it won't matter, but in

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<v Speaker 2>retrospect it's I am very worried about Deron Payn and

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<v Speaker 2>Jonathan Allen up the middle on this Patriots offensive. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be a nice test for Strange, who I

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<v Speaker 2>would admit I've kind of given up on and City. So, like,

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<v Speaker 2>let's see if City so can hold up as well.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good matchup for them. It'll be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean i'd agree with all that. I

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<v Speaker 1>just think, again, you can put up points on this

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<v Speaker 1>defense if somehow, if they can contain Jonathan Allen drew

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<v Speaker 1>On pain.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they should be able to move the ball. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just see if they can do it. All Right, that

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<v Speaker 2>does it for us. Peu is up next, so don't

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<v Speaker 2>go anywhere. We're gonna start pee you here in a

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<v Speaker 2>few minutes, but for Alex, I'm Evan Lazar. Thanks for listening.

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