Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it?
Speaker 1: Joined as always, buy our bark. Here is Evan Lazar
Speaker 1: and Alex Barr.
Speaker 2: It's so much easier to move forward as a football
Speaker 2: team if you don't need to draft a quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's so much easy. Oh yeah, no, then then Marvin
Speaker 1: Harrison Junior is back on the table. Joel, we're on
Speaker 1: the table, Jared Verse, if you want to go, I wouldn't,
Speaker 1: but I think some tlor wide receivers on the table.
Speaker 2: You're gonna like, don't know who any of these people
Speaker 2: are tackle or wide receivers back on the table.
Speaker 1: That that is very true.
Speaker 2: But at two and six, we're getting to the point
Speaker 2: where maybe we should know who these people are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all I've been trying to tell you. Are
Speaker 1: we getting there? Trying to tell you?
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 2: Here's my thing and I I we were a text
Speaker 2: about this last night.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: Here's my thing about the draft is that if I
Speaker 2: start looking at the draft now on November two, by April,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be so drafted. Like we're gonna talk about
Speaker 2: the draft on this show for four straight months, but
Speaker 2: you know, we're I don't wanna. I'm not sure yet,
Speaker 2: so I don't want to. But there could be another
Speaker 2: another Shrine Bowl like trip coming up for us come January.
Speaker 2: That's a little tease. That's that's not a promise, so
Speaker 2: don't hold me to that, but it's it's in the works.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna have plenty of draft right. It's if
Speaker 2: I start talking about the draft now, then Lord help me.
Speaker 1: So here's here's here's what I say to capture that.
Speaker 1: By the way, I love how you didn't even introduce
Speaker 1: the show. We literally just picked up I was getting there,
Speaker 1: like a conversation we're having over text. I walked in
Speaker 1: here and we're just rolling from that. For people who
Speaker 1: would think that the show's in authentic or anything. You
Speaker 1: you usually get started in like February right with the draft, as.
Speaker 2: Soon as I give myself like a week to take
Speaker 2: a break from watching film after the season ends, and
Speaker 2: then so yeah, when we go into the Shrine Bowl
Speaker 2: last year, that was my.
Speaker 1: Start, and you're usually pretty filled in by the time
Speaker 1: we get it to the draft. Think about how much
Speaker 1: deeper you can get into it. Now if you start. Now.
Speaker 2: God, I understand what you're saying, but my ahead of
Speaker 2: the curve, I won't have the draft only goes so far,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Have me taking these victory laps on you of like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're you just discovered this guy and it's great, I
Speaker 1: discovered them two much you can do the uh, we
Speaker 1: can get all the recency bias out of the way,
Speaker 1: that's true, then we can actually talk about these guys
Speaker 1: like on a level playing field.
Speaker 2: I will say this though, and it is Evan Lazarre
Speaker 2: and Alex bars here on Patriots Catch twenty two for
Speaker 2: the next couple of hours. We have a lot of
Speaker 2: Patriots stuff that I want to talk about, but this
Speaker 2: is this is you know, something that's that's on both
Speaker 2: of our minds.
Speaker 1: Let's face it.
Speaker 2: You know the draft and the Patriots at two and
Speaker 2: six are holding I think the fifth overall pick in
Speaker 2: the draft right now. If I am not mistaken, if
Speaker 2: the draft were to be tomorrow, let's say, and or
Speaker 2: maybe it's sixth, fifth or sixth.
Speaker 1: Somewhere like that. And second, what never mind, it's not
Speaker 1: the second today.
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying the draft pick that they would have.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, this is this is classic's what a start
Speaker 2: A start off the rails already.
Speaker 1: Uh so, yeah, he's on first. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's the fifth pick because the Commanders
Speaker 2: have the eleventh pick, and there were six picks apart
Speaker 2: when I wrote my my game preview yesterday. So I
Speaker 2: think it's the fifth pick. It's the fifth, yeah, And uh,
Speaker 2: let's face it, that's that's a reality that we are
Speaker 2: walking in right now that it might be more important
Speaker 2: to start looking ahead to twenty twenty four and this
Speaker 2: team in twenty twenty four. And that was sort of
Speaker 2: my I think it's interesting and this isn't where I
Speaker 2: was going to go with this, honestly, but the open
Speaker 2: got me here already.
Speaker 1: H did.
Speaker 2: The difference in approach between the Commanders and the Patriots
Speaker 2: at the deadline is very interesting, right the Commanders, it's
Speaker 2: noticeable sold, they sold Chase Young and Montes sweat off.
Speaker 2: They are on to twenty twenty four in Washington, and
Speaker 2: they're they're three and five. They're they're pretty much in
Speaker 2: the same spot, but not exactly. They have one more
Speaker 2: win than you. Yeah, and uh, I was impressed by
Speaker 2: how they played Philly. Now you played Philly close to
Speaker 2: so I guess maybe both teams, but.
Speaker 1: Got your Patriots, you like, you're not a team. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I does he do that? Oh yeah, that's a textbook Felger.
Speaker 2: Oh no, okay, I haven't that. That's bad because I
Speaker 2: actually was gonna was gonna go someplace that that Felger
Speaker 2: went this week. So anyways, Uh, they scored thirty one
Speaker 2: points though against Philly. You did not score thirty one
Speaker 2: points against Philly.
Speaker 1: You did not.
Speaker 2: I just did it again. Now you're in my head.
Speaker 2: The Patriots did not score thirty one points against Philly.
Speaker 2: So I have a take, and we're gonna get to
Speaker 2: this in in a little bit. It's not where I
Speaker 2: wanted to start off the top. I do have a
Speaker 2: take about Eric b Enemy, who I watched a lot
Speaker 2: of Commander's film for you all you So I'm not
Speaker 2: talking about the Patriots and talking about.
Speaker 1: You're addressing the list you can call the listeners.
Speaker 2: You that's fun, okay for all you fans and listeners
Speaker 2: out there. So you didn't have to go and watch
Speaker 2: Washington Commander's football and Sam Howell, You're welcome, because let
Speaker 2: me tell you, watching the Patriots offensive tape from Miami
Speaker 2: and then following that up by watching some Commanders offensive tape.
Speaker 2: It wasn't exactly a great time on Monday at the
Speaker 2: Lazar Garten household. So you're welcome. You're welcome. We're doing
Speaker 2: a service for the people. But it was to stark difference.
Speaker 2: And we'll talk about that and talk about the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four outlook and the trade deadline. We'll talk a
Speaker 2: little bit about Josh McDaniels, and that's where I wanted
Speaker 2: to start because you know, I'm a McDaniels guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I like McDaniels. I think he's a really good offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: Obviously separate. They're two different jobs. And I know we
Speaker 2: say this all the time to kind of hammer this home,
Speaker 2: but being a head coach of a football team and
Speaker 2: being an offensive coordinator are two different jobs.
Speaker 1: There are some guys that are great coordinators and that's
Speaker 1: just what they are.
Speaker 2: And that's what he is. I think he's a great
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. I think he's a terrible head coach. And
Speaker 2: reading a lot about what went on in Vegas, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I read a Brear had some good stuff
Speaker 2: on it. Vic Tarfer, who's a local beat guy, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of like there, Mike Grease, you know, he's he's
Speaker 2: as plugged in as anybody out there in Vegas. I
Speaker 2: thought he had a really nice piece about it on
Speaker 2: the Athletic about all.
Speaker 1: For the PFT comments or what did you see that
Speaker 1: one god? And at first there's so good, I will
Speaker 1: say he's.
Speaker 2: At first, when I was reading it, I'm not knowing McDaniels,
Speaker 2: the very little that we know McDaniel's. I was like,
Speaker 2: I could see him being a big Halloween guy. He's
Speaker 2: kind of toof like, I could see that. And then
Speaker 2: as I was reading it, I was like, Okay, no,
Speaker 2: never mind, like this is this is definitely got.
Speaker 1: So many so many people. Yeah, I thought that was
Speaker 1: really funny. Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: I think that you know, reading about it, and I
Speaker 2: sent you a screenshot of one of like the grafts
Speaker 2: from from a vix article about it, and it was
Speaker 2: sounded kind of similar, like, you know, no social media,
Speaker 2: long meetings, long days, a lot of hours at the office,
Speaker 2: hard practices like these are that's the Patriots, right.
Speaker 1: We heard it about Patricia, we heard it about Joe Judge,
Speaker 1: We heard about a lot of these guys that went elsewhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But my bigger question with McDaniel's being canned and
Speaker 2: where we go from here with the Patriots and how
Speaker 2: this relates and this I told you, this is something
Speaker 2: that I know that your shows have been discussing, and
Speaker 2: I think Badard might have been the first one that
Speaker 2: brought it up on his Tuesday segment which I like
Speaker 2: listening to, and he talked about the Patriots offense, you know,
Speaker 2: the McDaniels O'Brien Patriots system, and is this system extinct?
Speaker 1: And extinct is a big word, right.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's necessarily extinct, but you look
Speaker 2: at two guys and O'Brien and McDaniels that are trying
Speaker 2: to to run this system still and they're two of
Speaker 2: the worst offenses in the NFL their thirtieth and thirty
Speaker 2: first in scoring. I know Brian Dable and Giants are
Speaker 2: thirty second, and he's like Patriots adjacent. There's definitely a
Speaker 2: lot of Patriots elements to dables offense, but I think
Speaker 2: that he's really more McDermott Buffalo as well as Patriots.
Speaker 2: So I'm not going to continue completely give that to
Speaker 2: the Pats, but it's it's Patriots adjacent, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: And those three systems are thirtieth, thirty first, and thirty
Speaker 2: second in scoring in the league. And this kind of
Speaker 2: my big thing about this Miami game that that was
Speaker 2: so frustrating to me watching this game and then watching
Speaker 2: it back on film, is that nothing literally nothing from
Speaker 2: the Buffalo game carried over. Nothing like they they didn't
Speaker 2: execute you're talkingtically, just I'm talking execution, Okay, well, because
Speaker 2: I'm saying like, like we still saw, like Mike when
Speaker 2: when we were right tack, no, no, no, Schematically, they
Speaker 2: tried like they picked up the Buffalo game plan and
Speaker 2: they put it in to Miami. They tried to dial
Speaker 2: up some more shots, I would say, against Miami than
Speaker 2: they did against Buffalo. But on the whole, the game
Speaker 2: of the very first play of the game in both
Speaker 2: games is exactly the same play.
Speaker 1: Okay you're saying, yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, like it from a play calling schematic standpoint,
Speaker 2: exactly the same. The execution could not have been more
Speaker 2: Jackal and Hyde and my question, and I asked Mac
Speaker 2: about the pre snap stuff, and I have a take
Speaker 2: on that on all of this that connects. My question
Speaker 2: isn't necessarily is it extinct to the point where it's
Speaker 2: no longer schematically sound, because I don't think that's the case.
Speaker 2: I think it's still a sound system, but is it
Speaker 2: extinct to the point where you can't execute it week
Speaker 2: in and week out. It's inconsistent because there's so much
Speaker 2: moving parts. Their quarterback at the line of scrimmage. Most
Speaker 2: of the time, there's like two plays that the quarterback
Speaker 2: has called in the huddle. There's a run play, there's
Speaker 2: a pass play, then there's checks. Then there's a whole
Speaker 2: alert system based off of how the defense is aligned,
Speaker 2: Mike protections, you know, things like that. And yeah, we're
Speaker 2: getting drilled. I don't know if people can hear that
Speaker 2: over the air, probably, and Marine's on the case.
Speaker 1: He he just went out to do some construction out here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's all sorts of different things, and that's just okay,
Speaker 2: that's pre snap, right, and you know, you got to
Speaker 2: get to put the team in the right play. And
Speaker 2: what I see from Mac is, you know, he's already
Speaker 2: been called for a couple of delayed games, first of all,
Speaker 2: trying to get the team into the right play. And
Speaker 2: second of all, I see like he's frantic. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean, like he's at the line of scrimmage
Speaker 2: and he's making all these checks, and he's making all
Speaker 2: these calls, and he's waving all this motion and oh,
Speaker 2: then a receiver comes in motion and then it shows
Speaker 2: to the offense like, oh, they're in man. Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: then now we have a man call. So now we
Speaker 2: have to alert to the man call, or like I
Speaker 2: want to, you know, hot routed, or I want to,
Speaker 2: you know, set a certain route because it's man coverage now,
Speaker 2: so I'm checking to a fade or I'm checking to this,
Speaker 2: and then okay, and then the ball snapped, and we've
Speaker 2: already done seventeen things before the ball is even snapped.
Speaker 2: And then the ball snapped. And then after the snap,
Speaker 2: the quarterback and the receivers have to see everything the
Speaker 2: same way. The routes convert. The quarterback needs to be
Speaker 2: on time, the receivers need to be running their proper routes,
Speaker 2: like all of these different things need to happen.
Speaker 1: And I think that.
Speaker 2: You know, I know your station in Felger and his
Speaker 2: take on it is that there was only one quarterback
Speaker 2: that could execute it at a high level, and it
Speaker 2: was Brady. And I think there's something to be said
Speaker 2: for that, but I think it goes beyond just the quarterback.
Speaker 2: I think it's the whole thing. And I just wonder
Speaker 2: if the inconsistencies that we have seen are obviously reflective
Speaker 2: of the talent on the field. There's definitely that element
Speaker 2: to it where players that are not very talented aren't
Speaker 2: going to be able to execute it in you know,
Speaker 2: every single week, every single play, inside and out. But
Speaker 2: I also wonder at to a degree, how much overthinking
Speaker 2: is going on in this system. Like if we're last example,
Speaker 2: then I want to get your your take on this
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas, who I think it's so hard to point
Speaker 2: any fingers at Pop Douglas because he's probably their most
Speaker 2: dynamic player on the field on offense right now, and
Speaker 2: it's that's very that's very crystal clear when you watch it,
Speaker 2: how he moves differently than everybody else on the field.
Speaker 2: But even he has a lot of route running miscues
Speaker 2: on tape, and you just wonder, Pop Douglas, keisha On Boudi,
Speaker 2: Taekwon Thorton, like all these guys that you've drafted the
Speaker 2: last couple of years, are they being held back by
Speaker 2: the fact that they have to basically play three D
Speaker 2: chess every passing play when the ball is snapped, and.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I I'm getting to the point where I think that
Speaker 2: a lot of there's obvious advantages to the way that
Speaker 2: they do things. If you're playing against the team and
Speaker 2: it's man coverage, you want to run away, you want
Speaker 2: to break away from man. If it's zone, you want
Speaker 2: to sit against zone. Like those are things that are
Speaker 2: in pretty much every NFL offense, but I think a
Speaker 2: lot of the different moving pieces and moving parts sometimes
Speaker 2: can be more cumbersome or bogged down players and bog
Speaker 2: down the quarterback who isn't seeing it quickly enough right
Speaker 2: now and isn't reading the field very well. And I
Speaker 2: wonder if he's Mac is so just his brain is
Speaker 2: moving at like a thousand miles an hour. Yeah, overwhelmed.
Speaker 2: And I'm not making excuses for the talent. I'm not
Speaker 2: making excuses for the players, But I think that there's
Speaker 2: more to this story than simply just Mac sucks. And
Speaker 2: I feel like the only way that you can be
Speaker 2: right right now for a lot of people is if
Speaker 2: you just scream and yell that the quarterback stinks, and
Speaker 2: they need to move on and it's over and he's terrible.
Speaker 2: And if there's no nuance, right like, you can't have
Speaker 2: an in between take, you can't have an opinion that
Speaker 2: has any sort of context to it.
Speaker 1: You just have to say he stinks.
Speaker 2: And I think that there's a lot more to it
Speaker 2: than that. And now that McDaniel's failed in Vegas, I'm
Speaker 2: starting to wonder if this system needs to adapt and change.
Speaker 1: And I think some of it is on top. Look,
Speaker 1: they they did things with Brady, and there were benefits
Speaker 1: for Brad Brady, not just a processing power he had,
Speaker 1: but being in it for twenty years and building on
Speaker 1: it and building on it and building on it. Jimmy
Speaker 1: Garoppolo is a guy that was in that system. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: so he has some experiences and he.
Speaker 2: Looks exactly the same like I watched The Raiders off Jones. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he looks skittish, he looks uncertain, his eyes are everywhere
Speaker 2: like he looks exactly And I think you can make
Speaker 2: some some correlations to the offensive line play if you
Speaker 2: want as well, and say that both offensive lines have
Speaker 2: been putrid and that's part of it. But Jimmy is
Speaker 2: you know a lot of those throws to Vante Adams
Speaker 2: that that everybody is like freaking out about the deep
Speaker 2: balls and stuff like that. Yeah, they're they're bad throws.
Speaker 2: Like he's's inaccurate on the pass. I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: say that that that it's this deep. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, he's late to a lot of it, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like he's not seeing it quickly enough.
Speaker 2: And then I'll then he sees it and then he's
Speaker 2: trying to, you know, kind of hit it late in
Speaker 2: the down and I will. They look if you watch
Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo and you watch Mac Jones and you and
Speaker 2: you kind of take off the jerseys for a second.
Speaker 2: They it looks like the same guy. They're both frantic
Speaker 2: and all over the place.
Speaker 1: Remember when everybody wanted Jimmy Garoppolo back this offseason.
Speaker 4: We don't.
Speaker 1: We don't. I know, I know, I had to. I
Speaker 1: had to.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I I think that the receiver thing too, that you
Speaker 1: talk about is on top of the Patriots system being
Speaker 1: more complicated, the college systems have become less and less complex. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for wide receivers. So the growth curve or the need
Speaker 1: to improve is is the gap is even wider now
Speaker 1: than it was ten years ago. So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: there is something to that. Now. Is there a simplified
Speaker 1: version of the system that they could run. That's probably
Speaker 1: what they're running. Maybe it needs to be simplified more.
Speaker 1: Does it work when it gets simplified more at the
Speaker 1: NFL level? That's I mean, we could debate that for hours,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it does feel like they're just trying to
Speaker 1: catch something there. The offense looks overwhelmed. The offense a
Speaker 1: lot of the time, and this is going back a
Speaker 1: few years now, has looked overwhelmed. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean when O'Brien says that it's very, very inconsistent,
Speaker 2: that's what he said on Tuesday. Yeah, and I just
Speaker 2: when he says that, I don't I think that a
Speaker 2: lot of that inconsistency is they're just not doing things correctly,
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of the actual play call, like
Speaker 2: the design of the play is not is not being
Speaker 2: run correctly. And when you watch Mac Jones, a lot
Speaker 2: of what I'm seeing with Mac on film is that
Speaker 2: there's a lack of anticipation and a lack of trust
Speaker 2: in a lack of understanding you know, this guy's gonna
Speaker 2: break this way that guy's gonna break that way. And here,
Speaker 2: if I hit my back foot and I throw this
Speaker 2: ball now, or if I hit wait for the second
Speaker 2: window and then I throw this ball like that, this
Speaker 2: is where it's open, right, And those are the types
Speaker 2: of throws. When you watch good quarterbacks, like when you
Speaker 2: watch Tua, for example, everything is with anticipation, everything is
Speaker 2: on time, and I think with Mac nothing is on
Speaker 2: time right now. There's no anticipation. And there's a lot
Speaker 2: of throws on this game film against Miami that are open,
Speaker 2: that are there plays that he left on the field
Speaker 2: that if he's throwing it on time with a little anticipation,
Speaker 2: with a little bit of foresight into like where the
Speaker 2: defense is going and things like that, then he's going
Speaker 2: to be able to hit these throws. And I just
Speaker 2: worry about that with the system in general. And I
Speaker 2: want to read this answer from Mac yesterday when I
Speaker 2: asked him about the pre snap stuff, because to me,
Speaker 2: this is I think a big issue.
Speaker 1: And I know that J. T.
Speaker 2: O'Sullivan has talked about this in a lot of his
Speaker 2: Mac breakdowns on the QB School, like there's just seventeen
Speaker 2: things to do pre snap, And I remember Max said
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago about his pre snap checklist,
Speaker 2: and I followed up with him on it.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't he didn't want to.
Speaker 2: Go into detail of exactly what that checklist is. But
Speaker 2: his checklist has got to be like five things longer
Speaker 2: than any other quarterbacks, right.
Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, it's just there's too much. There's too much.
Speaker 2: And he said, you know, I think that's a big
Speaker 2: part of the offense, and as the quarterback, that's something
Speaker 2: that you want. That's something that you need to learn
Speaker 2: how to do quickly. Some teams are doing things to
Speaker 2: slow it down. So I just need to figure out
Speaker 2: how to play faster pre snap. And I think there's
Speaker 2: different ways to do that schematically and also from a
Speaker 2: mental standpoint. That's definitely a good point. I feel like
Speaker 2: I can improve in that area. So he says he
Speaker 2: wants to play faster pre snap. If I was the
Speaker 2: Patriots coaches, and if I was Bill O'Brien, I would
Speaker 2: want to slow him out, not speed them up, unless
Speaker 2: that's in.
Speaker 1: Reaction to the like all the all the delay game penalties.
Speaker 1: I think it is, but I but I get what
Speaker 1: you're saying. You're not wrong.
Speaker 2: I want I would want to strip down his responsibilities
Speaker 2: pre snap and I think you look at a lot
Speaker 2: of these offenses that that run really well nowadays, like
Speaker 2: the Shanahan offense or the Reed Tree, which we're going
Speaker 2: to see this weekend on Sunday. Those two offenses, they
Speaker 2: have similar conversions and they have similar things going on,
Speaker 2: I would say, But at the same time, it seems
Speaker 2: like everything is a lot more stripped down and a
Speaker 2: lot more simplified, but it still works like It's not
Speaker 2: like so simplified like last year is so simplified that
Speaker 2: it didn't it didn't work right. But I think that
Speaker 2: these offenses are able to simplify it and it's able
Speaker 2: to work. Last thing here on on Mac. And then
Speaker 2: I want to get into three up, three down, and
Speaker 2: then we'll take your calls of a five to five,
Speaker 2: pats five hundred. We've got some emails to get to,
Speaker 2: a web radio, a Paige dot Com. I just I
Speaker 2: do really think that this is a big nine games
Speaker 2: for Mac Jones. I've given him as long as I
Speaker 2: think we I don't want to speak for you, but
Speaker 2: I think we have given him as long of a
Speaker 2: leash as maybe anybody to try to prove to us.
Speaker 1: That's what they say on Twitter and in the YouTube comments.
Speaker 2: I think we've given them him as long as of
Speaker 2: Aleish as anybody to prove to us that he is.
Speaker 2: I would say, like a franchise guy is maybe a stretch,
Speaker 2: but just a guy that you can win football games
Speaker 2: within this league and build around a little bit. And uh,
Speaker 2: I'm running out of time. I don't know about you.
Speaker 2: Like I feel like as much as I hold a
Speaker 2: lot of the personnel stuff, and I just talk a
Speaker 2: lot about the scheme and the system, against the coaches
Speaker 2: and against Bill Belichick and against the talent evaluation of
Speaker 2: this team and things like that, I do definitely think
Speaker 2: that he's basically got nine games to prove to me
Speaker 2: that he can start playing winning football, because he hasn't
Speaker 2: really played winning football. I would say, outside of maybe
Speaker 2: maybe I'd give him two games.
Speaker 1: If you want to give him, they've won two games.
Speaker 1: I don't think he played winning No, I agree with you,
Speaker 1: it's two maybe three. I think times running out as
Speaker 1: the way to put it. I'll just kind of go
Speaker 1: with what I've said before and what I said coming
Speaker 1: into the season. Max's job this year better worse, regardless
Speaker 1: of what the team put around him was to keep
Speaker 1: them out of position of drafting his replacement. He hasn't
Speaker 1: done that, and that with the rookie contract coming up,
Speaker 1: why are you going to commit to a guy who
Speaker 1: has you picking in the top five when you can
Speaker 1: get a better prospect on and extend that rookie deal
Speaker 1: out another four years as opposed to just having the
Speaker 1: last year, but four or five years with the option,
Speaker 1: instead of having the last year of it with the
Speaker 1: option looming the summer. That was the stakes I said
Speaker 1: on here, I said on the sports stop, I said everywhere.
Speaker 1: That was the stakes for mac Jones this year. Can
Speaker 1: you make it so the team can't reasonably draft your replacement?
Speaker 1: And so far or some fault of his own, a
Speaker 1: lot of it not at his fault, but it happened.
Speaker 1: This is where they're at. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's got nine games to show me
Speaker 2: that it's it's obviously the tangible thing is picking up
Speaker 2: the fifth year option. Yeah, But in general, I just
Speaker 2: think that he's got nine games to show me that
Speaker 2: their first round pick should be on Marvin Harrison Junior
Speaker 2: and not on Drake may right right like that, that's
Speaker 2: that's the bottom line. And now, if he plays well
Speaker 2: in the last nine games, they're probably not gonna be
Speaker 2: in position to draft either. But that's kind of the point, right,
Speaker 2: he's got Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1: Right, if they're in position to draft Drake May, they
Speaker 1: should be drafting Drake May. Right, If they're not in
Speaker 1: position to draft them, it means Mac probably, especially with
Speaker 1: all the injuries. Now, Yeah, it's not like the defense
Speaker 1: is gonna carry him, right, It's not like Max' gonna
Speaker 1: be playing bad, but the defense carries them and suddenly
Speaker 1: they're picking twelve, thirteen to fourteen, whatever. Yeah, everybody's hurt,
Speaker 1: it's just him. Yeah, if they win enough games that
Speaker 1: they're not in the top five, Mac played well, and
Speaker 1: then it becomes then you can start doing the Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts thing in the second round, guys like Jayden Daniels
Speaker 1: and JJ McCarthy. But no, where they're at right now,
Speaker 1: he's not kept them out of the spot where drafting
Speaker 1: his replacements unrealistic. One more take on that. It's kind
Speaker 1: of related, But this is something I've been working on.
Speaker 1: I'm curious your thought, I think, and I've thought this before,
Speaker 1: but now that the Patriots are in the spot. I
Speaker 1: think I've kind of flushed this. Take out a little
Speaker 1: bit Moreah. The initial NFL draft order as it is
Speaker 1: assigned at the end of the season is one of
Speaker 1: the most overrated concepts in sports in terms of how
Speaker 1: much we bowed down to the draft order. Here's my point.
Speaker 1: You have a lot of people saying Patriots can't win
Speaker 1: another game, they need to be drafting top three to
Speaker 1: take Drake May. You need to pick in the top three.
Speaker 1: You don't need to own the third pick. From the jump.
Speaker 1: If you're picking fifth, you should realistic if if you
Speaker 1: believe Drake mad is the guy, yes, you should be
Speaker 1: able to get to third if you own the fifth pick.
Speaker 2: But you're I think the problem is and I don't
Speaker 2: disagree with you, and you know how I feel about
Speaker 2: draft picks.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, here's what i'd say. Of the twenty quarterbacks
Speaker 1: taken in the first round in the last ten years, Yeah,
Speaker 1: nine of them were drafted with the pick that was
Speaker 1: not originally owned by that team. That includes the first
Speaker 1: overall pick. I'm an idiot and didn't go through and
Speaker 1: redo the numbers. Yeah, when you take out the first
Speaker 1: overall pick, Yeah, more than half of the quarterbacks drafted
Speaker 1: in the top ten were not drafted with the draft
Speaker 1: pick originally owned by the team. Okay, you move around
Speaker 1: the board to get a quarterback. It's the price of
Speaker 1: doing business in the NFL. Okay, So I don't disagree
Speaker 1: with the take. Yeah, I think he does. That's yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: I So I think that's where people are concerned, is well,
Speaker 1: is he going to be the one making that suit?
Speaker 1: Who knows?
Speaker 2: And this is why I tell you all the time
Speaker 2: that I can't get into the draft yet because if
Speaker 2: I don't know whose offense I'm drafting the player for.
Speaker 1: That's fair. But if you're drafting a quarterback, aren't you
Speaker 1: drafting the quarterback and then sort of dictating the offense?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Not them? Well, if you're changing the offense, it's not
Speaker 1: going to be them, I hear you.
Speaker 2: But if if this is the regime that's the one
Speaker 2: that's taken the quarterback, that quarterback is gonna play the
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien offense like that, that's the bottom line, Like
Speaker 2: you're gonna fit into the Bill O'Brien offense. If Bill
Speaker 2: O'Brien goes and takes a job at Michigan State, you're
Speaker 2: gonna be fitting into the Josh McDaniels offense, right, Like,
Speaker 2: that's just the way it's gonna go. And I think
Speaker 2: the concern that people have that our team tank or
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, or are looking at
Speaker 2: draft position, is that we don't have a whole lot
Speaker 2: of precedent of Bill Belichick trading up in the draft,
Speaker 2: not to mention trading a king's ransom up to get
Speaker 2: the go from five to two to draft Drake May
Speaker 2: when it could take future picks and all this all,
Speaker 2: you know, this entire boatload of picks to do it.
Speaker 2: I think people are concerned that he will never do
Speaker 2: something like that. So if you don't have the second
Speaker 2: overall pick, you don't own the pick, then you're not
Speaker 2: gonna get there.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people would probably look at it
Speaker 1: and safe, he's picking second, he's gonna trade back anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I would. It's more an overarching shit take. Again,
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about it in context in the Patriots
Speaker 1: in our lifetimes. Yeah, but it's just people who, oh, no,
Speaker 1: they fell from the fourth pick to the fifth pick.
Speaker 1: I can't believe that happened. If you really believe in
Speaker 1: the guy and this is just a blanket NFL statement.
Speaker 1: If you believe Drake may is the next twenty years
Speaker 1: of your franchise, there's not too much you can give up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you should be going up and getting that pick, period,
Speaker 1: full style. If you don't believe he's the guy, don't
Speaker 1: do it just to draft them. And the same could
Speaker 1: be said for Caleb Williams, same could be said for
Speaker 1: Michael Pennox, for any of these guys. But if you
Speaker 1: believe the guy's the guy, you go up and get him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I no, I agree. I mean, I think that's
Speaker 2: how a lot of teams feel. But that's this team.
Speaker 2: The numbers support that. The number support, especially at the
Speaker 2: quarterback position. Maybe at other positions it's a little different,
Speaker 2: there's more wiggle room. But at the quarterback position, you're
Speaker 2: picking fifth. You shouldn't be sitting there saying, well, he's
Speaker 2: gonna go fourth, so I guess we're screwed. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: shouldn't happen that way. Yeah, all right, three up, three down.
Speaker 2: I did I did have some I did have some ups.
Speaker 2: They're all on the defensive side of the ball, so
Speaker 2: so I'm not putting anybody on the offense as an up.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you that right now. Number one star of
Speaker 2: the game for me, Christian Barmore fantastic again in this game.
Speaker 2: Sack had five stuffs again in this game. I think
Speaker 2: that that's really been the part of his game that
Speaker 2: has matured the most is his run defense. He's he's
Speaker 2: doing a fantastic job of using his leverage, using his hands,
Speaker 2: using his upper body power to press blocks and hold gaps,
Speaker 2: but then also flashing that range and when teams try
Speaker 2: to zone block him, he's you know, swimming around blocks,
Speaker 2: and that's where he can use the get off and
Speaker 2: the and the ability to lateral movement and things like that.
Speaker 2: He is on a heater. He's on three straight games
Speaker 2: now where he's been fantastic. He has twelve stuffs in
Speaker 2: the last three games against the Run back to back
Speaker 2: games with the Sack six quarterback pressures going back to
Speaker 2: the Vegas game. He has been their best player, I
Speaker 2: would say, on either side of the football for about
Speaker 2: a month now. So Christian Barmore is my number one
Speaker 2: up and he's one of those guys that rookie season
Speaker 2: had over fifty quarterback pressures, was one of the best
Speaker 2: d tackles in that draft class. In his rookie year,
Speaker 2: second year injured told me yesterday I spoke to him yesterday.
Speaker 2: I hopefully I get that piece up tomorrow. He said
Speaker 2: that he had never been injured before in his football life,
Speaker 2: so yesterday, last year, second year was really tough on him,
Speaker 2: you know, rehabbing and trying to get back to one
Speaker 2: hundred percent, playing through injury a lot of the time.
Speaker 2: You know, he just said he was kind of like
Speaker 2: a lost puppy trying to figure out how to play
Speaker 2: with an injury and all that kind of stuff. And
Speaker 2: then this year is healthier, you know, back to back
Speaker 2: to normal, and we're seeing that that Christian Barmore that
Speaker 2: we thought they were gonna have going forward after his
Speaker 2: rookie season, a guy that I look at as a
Speaker 2: building block, like somebody that I would hope is going
Speaker 2: to be here on a second contract. I think that
Speaker 2: they definitely need to have him here on a second contract.
Speaker 2: So Christian Barmer, number one, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: That's a guy that you can you can build a
Speaker 1: defense around a three down player. Is you alluded to
Speaker 1: pretty much everything I said last week? This is the
Speaker 1: guy now that he's fully healthy. Is the guy we
Speaker 1: saw coming out of bit out of Alabama, the guy
Speaker 1: that people were surprised fell out of the first round
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. So absolutely loved what I saw
Speaker 1: from him. Speaking of second contracts, yess Obarmar was my first. Yep.
Speaker 1: Kyle Duggar. Yeah, he's on my list too. Excellent in
Speaker 1: this game, and he needed that. He had kind of
Speaker 1: a slow start to the season, but look at it.
Speaker 1: They had him playing a more physical, closer to the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage role, and what do you know, Old
Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger showed up. Yeah. Crazy how that happens? Yeah, crazy,
Speaker 1: how that works. Yeah, the interception obviously which to it,
Speaker 1: I mean threw right to him. But you also had
Speaker 1: that play on the goal line. That's it. That's such
Speaker 1: a difficult play when you have a player with momentum
Speaker 1: moving towards the goal line and he stops him like
Speaker 1: stone walls. Yeah, the goal line. That's just such an
Speaker 1: excellent play from a defensive back. There's not a lot
Speaker 1: of defensive backs in the league that can make that
Speaker 1: specific play. So I thought he did some other stuff too.
Speaker 1: It wasn't perfect, but the secondary was kind of a mess.
Speaker 1: The whole game in terms of communication. They got to
Speaker 1: bring him back and they got to play him in
Speaker 1: the box. I think we're gonna talk a lot this
Speaker 1: offseason about quarterbacks, about tackles, about wide receivers. Free safety.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be saying this all spring is the
Speaker 1: most underrated need for this football team. And they knew it.
Speaker 1: They met with Taylor app Right, they knew it last offseason,
Speaker 1: and they felt like they could go forward with it.
Speaker 1: I know some people did think it. I don't have
Speaker 1: a problem with them trying Kyle Duggart free safety. I mean,
Speaker 1: he played free safety in college. He had done it,
Speaker 1: he has the athleticism, but it was something to try,
Speaker 1: and there was no plan B if it didn't work out.
Speaker 1: And it hasn't worked out, and so Kyle dugar is
Speaker 1: having a worse season because of it, and the defense
Speaker 1: is worse because they don't have that guy. They're seriously
Speaker 1: missing Devin mccordy right now. You're not gonna go out
Speaker 1: and just get one player and replace Deem mccordy in
Speaker 1: the offseason, But having a true center fielder, especially when
Speaker 1: you have to face the Dolphins twice a year with
Speaker 1: their speed and teams like that you gotta go out
Speaker 1: and get a guy like that. Last year was a
Speaker 1: good year in the draft I think to do so.
Speaker 1: I haven't done as much work on the safeties in
Speaker 1: this year's class, so I'll get back to you on
Speaker 1: that one. But getting a true free safety center field
Speaker 1: type guy is a must because if they do, it
Speaker 1: allows Kyle dugger to play more like he played against
Speaker 1: Miami on Sunday. Yeah, I agree with I had Kyle Duggar.
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, there was still a couple of
Speaker 2: plays where he got a little bit lost in his
Speaker 2: own coverage. But I'm not gonna knock him too much
Speaker 2: when you make like impact plays on the ball that
Speaker 2: he did interception, like you mentioned, good disguise coverage really
Speaker 2: wasn't anything that he did on the play, But he
Speaker 2: made the play right. That's the most important thing. Then
Speaker 2: I agree with you with the tackling and the plays
Speaker 2: near the line of scrimmage were really good in this game.
Speaker 2: That's the Kyle Duggard that they were hoping to get
Speaker 2: every game this season, and it took, like you said,
Speaker 2: with the free safety position. And I think that this
Speaker 2: goes back to, you know, some of the critiques that
Speaker 2: we've made on this show of Belichick the GM. They
Speaker 2: had known that Devin mccordy was year to year for
Speaker 2: like three years, and they just never addressed free safety.
Speaker 2: They never brought in even a day three pick right
Speaker 2: to I mean, like Josh Bledsoe was not He's a
Speaker 2: box safety.
Speaker 1: He's a box safe. He's a box he's a box safety.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember there was one guy they brought
Speaker 1: through who like didn't last so I want to see
Speaker 1: play more. And I'm blanking on the name, but even
Speaker 1: guys like like Miles Bryant I think could play that role,
Speaker 1: they haven't put him back there. Jonathan Jones to me,
Speaker 1: when you had an injuries maybe changed, but you had
Speaker 1: Jack Jones, Christian Gonzales, Jalen Mills, Jayalen Mills.
Speaker 2: Another guy thought well, that's what he's That's what they've
Speaker 2: done a lot more of the last they're doing it
Speaker 2: more now, but it's like Jonathan and Jonathan Jones had
Speaker 2: done it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a guy I thought maybe could fill
Speaker 1: that role. So they've had opportunities to do it.
Speaker 2: Whether they don't think that they've ever really not to
Speaker 2: cut you off, but I don't think that they ever
Speaker 2: really seriously addressed it, like I I they.
Speaker 1: Know they haven't.
Speaker 2: You know when when Devin was here, like they took
Speaker 2: Doron Harmon in the third round, right, and Doron Harmon
Speaker 2: was the perfect guy to come in and in their
Speaker 2: past game packages he would play the center field role
Speaker 2: and that would free up Devin to play Robert to
Speaker 2: play man coverage, whatever they wanted him to do. And
Speaker 2: they gave him that that flexibility. They never they never
Speaker 2: restock the position.
Speaker 1: And it's it's crazy to me because like.
Speaker 2: So many spots on this roster where they just did that.
Speaker 1: And you're right, but some of those spots, like we
Speaker 1: know they don't value aide receivers. That wasn't a surprise, okay,
Speaker 1: but right, but what running back so so third down
Speaker 1: running back is similar where it's such a crucial position
Speaker 1: for what they do. It's a position we know they
Speaker 1: value highly. Right, some of the positions are things that
Speaker 1: we value that maybe they don't. Just wide receiver would
Speaker 1: be one. I think when we talk about the way
Speaker 1: they've approached the edge rusher position, they look at it
Speaker 1: a little differently than we do. It's like I understand
Speaker 1: why they I don't necessarily agree with it, but I
Speaker 1: understand why they didn't invest as much free safety. We
Speaker 1: heard for years and years and years how important Devin
Speaker 1: McCarty was to this defense. Yeah, to not have for
Speaker 1: them to not line a replacement up when they knew
Speaker 1: how important was to have that guy, I would say,
Speaker 1: third down running back is the exact same thing on
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. That one's even crazier
Speaker 1: because it was remember before Devin McCarty came, or before
Speaker 1: he moved back to sink like, they had trouble finding
Speaker 1: a fast Why they that to Bill?
Speaker 2: And I know a lot of people think that that
Speaker 2: Devin struggled at corner in the second year, and that
Speaker 2: was I think Devin. I did a piece on it
Speaker 2: right before the season with I spoke to to d
Speaker 2: mac about it and he said that he kind of
Speaker 2: put it as a little bit of each Now, Bill
Speaker 2: said at his retirement or something like that that I
Speaker 2: don't remember exactly. Maybe it was that week that he
Speaker 2: was asked about it or whatever, that they moved Devin
Speaker 2: mccorty to safety ad and necessity because they didn't have
Speaker 2: anybody back right. But Devin agreed that he was struggling
Speaker 2: a little bit in his second it.
Speaker 1: Was it was probably both, but again it's it's that
Speaker 1: thing where they knew third down running back. I wonder
Speaker 1: if they were just like, we'll find it, because you
Speaker 1: look at under Bill. I mean, Kevin Folok was here
Speaker 1: when he got here, and then Danny Wood had Chane
Speaker 1: Veren James White, I mean he was seamless. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was absolutely seamless. And you always had a second guy too,
Speaker 1: a guy like a rex per kid. They knew what
Speaker 1: this looked. They they've seen what this looks like when
Speaker 1: you don't have a true free safety. Granted it was
Speaker 1: ten years ago, probably closer to fifteen now at this
Speaker 1: point actually.
Speaker 2: But bombs away like Sunday.
Speaker 1: Right, they know they've seen it. So they yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just it's it's puzzling to me. And they they knew
Speaker 1: at least a little bit again because they met with
Speaker 1: Taylor Rapp, who would have been that guy. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: they knew they needed somebody in that role. It's the
Speaker 1: same at tackle where they who was it from the
Speaker 1: the Eagles signed with the Titans. Why am I my blanky on?
Speaker 1: His name? Andre Andre Dillard. They met with and Dillard
Speaker 1: so you knew, we know, they know that it was
Speaker 1: at least somewhat of a need. Oh yeah, and they
Speaker 1: didn't get the guy initially, and then that was just
Speaker 1: that they never addressed it again.
Speaker 2: I mean I was talking to people in January when
Speaker 2: we were at the Shrine Bowl that were saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: we we know tackles in need, like so that's obvious,
Speaker 2: like all of us can see it. And they and
Speaker 2: they brought in bodies at tackle, but bodies is not
Speaker 2: is not solving the problem. They had bodies, they didn't
Speaker 2: have anything above them, right, And and I think that
Speaker 2: you know, at safety, I don't I think that there's
Speaker 2: a value in having some repetitive guys like Dugger and
Speaker 2: Jabriel Peppers in this system because they play so much
Speaker 2: dime and they want to play guys in the box
Speaker 2: like that and things like that. But then you have
Speaker 2: to have the center fielder to be able to play
Speaker 2: those guys in the box right.
Speaker 1: And the centerfielders is what allows you to do them right.
Speaker 2: And they just you know, that was the big thing
Speaker 2: when I talked to mccordy, was he always said and
Speaker 2: and you know, he really identified for understandably for for
Speaker 2: you know they're they're all his buddies, but he really
Speaker 2: identified with like the Harman logan Ryan, you know that
Speaker 2: secondary right, And when he said is you know when
Speaker 2: it was the game was on the line, when it
Speaker 2: was the money time in the fourth quarter, we knew
Speaker 2: where we were all gonna be, Like we know, you know,
Speaker 2: Chung was gonna be in the star I was gonna be.
Speaker 2: You know Robber probably Deron was playing center field. Like
Speaker 2: we knew where we were going. This defense they don't
Speaker 2: know where they're going like they because they don't have
Speaker 2: distinct roles. Everybody is overlapped and right. And so he
Speaker 2: said that like they knew I knew where I was
Speaker 2: gonna be. They knew where we were gonna be, and
Speaker 2: it worked. It'd fit together. This secondary in the back
Speaker 2: end doesn't fit together. And you can add Marty Mapu
Speaker 2: into that mix as well of playing him out of
Speaker 2: position first of all, which I will never I will
Speaker 2: never let that go.
Speaker 1: But we sat here he told me he was gonna
Speaker 1: be a linebacker.
Speaker 2: I will never let that go. But regardless that this
Speaker 2: is this is where we're at with this team, is
Speaker 2: that they are constantly from a personnel standpoint they're constantly
Speaker 2: chasing their tail now, like they're constantly one step behind
Speaker 2: all these vacancies instead of one step ahead, but in
Speaker 2: weird ways like they're they're ways ahead of the curve.
Speaker 2: On guard, like they have like sixteen guards like cool,
Speaker 2: So that position stocked right. Whether Mike on Winnu is
Speaker 2: a part of their future or not, they have a guard.
Speaker 1: Well he should be part of the future. Tackle that's
Speaker 1: another conversation.
Speaker 2: Another conversation. Yeah, and they so they have guys to
Speaker 2: replace on whnu if on whn who walks in free
Speaker 2: agency and they that's what they used to do all
Speaker 2: the time at every position. Though they used to have tackles,
Speaker 2: they used to have, you know, safeties, they used to
Speaker 2: have these players and they just they don't third down
Speaker 2: running back. Like the fact that this team doesn't have
Speaker 2: a true third down back or a scap back is
Speaker 2: just wild.
Speaker 1: Especially with the offensive line being the way it is.
Speaker 1: And you need that guy to check down to.
Speaker 2: Know how many times mac Jones is just sitting there
Speaker 2: waiting for Ramondre Stevenson to run a route and and
Speaker 2: Rimondre's got one on one with a linebacker and if
Speaker 2: he had, if they had a real James White type
Speaker 2: third down running back that that that would be those
Speaker 2: would be easy first downs.
Speaker 1: We took We took it for grant. You remember, like back
Speaker 1: in the day, third and five, James White a little yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, just a little kickout route catch balt to
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. It's a linebacker between him and the sticks.
Speaker 1: And he every time, every time he got that first down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: made it look easy. Yeah, as did Danny would Head,
Speaker 1: Shane Vereene.
Speaker 2: Right, that's the thing is like if it was just
Speaker 2: it's like Brady, like Brady was the only one that
Speaker 2: that could play this offense at a high level. Right,
Speaker 2: But not to take anything away from James White, but
Speaker 2: James White did it, Shane vereen did it, Danny Wood
Speaker 2: had did it.
Speaker 1: Rex Burkhead even used to do it a little bit.
Speaker 1: And they they proved they could get guys into that role. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's that's why it's different. That's why the wide receiver
Speaker 1: thing is different to me than some these other positions.
Speaker 1: We've seen them develop free safeties, we've seen them develop
Speaker 1: ringing bets like that should have been and maybe that's
Speaker 1: the downfall. Maybe it was they knew they could develop
Speaker 1: those guys. So they were like, well, you.
Speaker 2: Know, well I think that I think they drafted Pier
Speaker 2: Strong and and they gave up May.
Speaker 1: They gave up after he That's a guy that did
Speaker 1: what nineteen catches in his college career and they gave
Speaker 1: up on him after one year. That's a that's not
Speaker 1: much if that's your best effort, that's not much for an.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, and time Montgomery is whatever. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 2: last up here, as we just went down, ke On White.
Speaker 2: All right, my last time he was ke On White.
Speaker 2: I what I was really intrigued by in this game
Speaker 2: from Kean White was his play recognition. It wasn't just
Speaker 2: like plays where he's a bowl in a china shop
Speaker 2: and he's just blowing things up.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: The tackle for loss on the Jets sweep, I thought
Speaker 2: was a real sign of growth for him. He played
Speaker 2: his edge, stayed disciplined, read out the play, made a
Speaker 2: play behind the line of scrimmage that I think beginning
Speaker 2: of the season Keon White might have just ran up
Speaker 2: the field there and given up the edge. This this year,
Speaker 2: you know, this version sees it makes the play. I
Speaker 2: thought he was really good. Also had a hurry in
Speaker 2: this game, made a stuff against the run on his
Speaker 2: own scheme where he saw some of that range. The
Speaker 2: one thing I'll say about Keon White really a good game,
Speaker 2: impactful game. He's kind of a tweeener, and I still
Speaker 2: think that they're kind of figured trying to figure out
Speaker 2: where exactly they're gonna play him long term. Now, I
Speaker 2: think the most obvious route is he's a stand up
Speaker 2: guy on first down and then he's an interior guy
Speaker 2: on second and third down. That's probably where we're headed
Speaker 2: with that. But he's he's a tweener like I. He's
Speaker 2: a little bit big to play as a stand up
Speaker 2: outside linebacker, but he's not quite powerful and big enough
Speaker 2: yet to play on the interior for all three downs.
Speaker 2: But I think that they have something here with Keon White.
Speaker 2: They just have to, you know, round him out a
Speaker 2: little bit and figure out exactly where they're gonna play him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I And that's something too that just comes to
Speaker 1: being a rookie. And you mentioned the tweenyer thing. They'll
Speaker 1: they'll get him in the off season. They'll put him
Speaker 1: on a weight plan, on a meal plan, on a
Speaker 1: workout plan, whatever, and whether they want him to bulk
Speaker 1: up or they want him man like, they'll that that'll
Speaker 1: happen in the off season. He'll come back next year,
Speaker 1: I think, like fully fit into a role. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm still excited about it. Look, I'm still excited about
Speaker 1: the draft class. Yeahs as kind of upside downs. The
Speaker 1: season is gone. The flash we saw from Christian is
Speaker 1: also is very exciting. Yep, And it's not. It's it's
Speaker 1: different with a guy who was like a knee or
Speaker 1: an ankle right where you're like, is he gonna come
Speaker 1: back and move the same? Like, Yeah, it's relative not
Speaker 1: to I'm sure that there's a massive rehab process and
Speaker 1: he's working through. But you get what I'm saying, right, Yea, Yeah,
Speaker 1: ke On Whites looked good. My third up. I know
Speaker 1: you said you had nobody on offense, I've won. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's I don't know if it's necessarily him playing well,
Speaker 1: it's something I saw. It's to Mario Douglas and on
Speaker 1: the Kendrick Bourne touchdown, two defenders go with Tomoro Douglas.
Speaker 2: It was a coverage bust, but no, not bad. No
Speaker 2: coverage bust Whitey bust. Why because that's the guy they're
Speaker 2: looking they messed up. That's the guy they're looking at.
Speaker 2: There were other instances in the game too, like he
Speaker 2: was getting doubled during the game. I didn't see it.
Speaker 1: He was getting double during he saw it.
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you, Like I I talked to him
Speaker 2: about it after the game too, And.
Speaker 1: I didn't you see on the on the screens, teams
Speaker 1: are keying in on him like he's a guy. Defenses
Speaker 1: are starting to key on.
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with that. And and that Kendrick Bourne
Speaker 2: touchdown is it was a buzz.
Speaker 1: He's he's a guy, all right, Great, disagree he's a guy.
Speaker 1: Defenses are starting to key in on. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think we had that whole conversation over the off seas
Speaker 1: about the coverage dictating player. He's hardly DeAndre Hopkins, but yeah,
Speaker 1: when's the last time they had a guy that defense
Speaker 1: is kind of, especially a rookie at defense, Like, no,
Speaker 1: we might want to take a look at this guy.
Speaker 1: So I agree, Now, how does he build off it?
Speaker 1: He has to still be able to produce when he
Speaker 1: gets this kind of attention. But that's a sign of
Speaker 1: an NFL like where it's not that told me it's
Speaker 1: not just us seeing this guy and being like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's the first receiver they've drafted years who's producing.
Speaker 1: This is great. The Miami Dolphins coaching staff saw what
Speaker 1: he was doing on tape and said, this guy when
Speaker 1: he pays some attention to and that maybe not for
Speaker 1: this year, maybe this is more long term take, but
Speaker 1: I think that's something worth being a little excited about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think what's what's most It doesn't.
Speaker 1: Mean they have their one. Sorry, it doesn't mean they
Speaker 1: have their one one of the future. But if he's
Speaker 1: like this is I was talking to some people about
Speaker 1: this the other day.
Speaker 2: If he's like Wes Welker and then you have Randy
Speaker 2: Moss on the outside, then like you already kind of
Speaker 2: checked that box.
Speaker 1: So let's say let's say they go out to let's
Speaker 1: say they resigned Kendrick Bourne, right, and he's healthy and
Speaker 1: there's some ifs here, but let's say they go out
Speaker 1: resign Kenrick Born, he's healthy, to Mario Douglas continues to
Speaker 1: go on this track, and then they go out and
Speaker 1: get to d DeAndre Hopkins equivalent is obviously, so it
Speaker 1: could be Higgins, it could be Marvin Harrison Junior, whatever, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you have that guy as your ex, you have
Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne as you zy, and you have Toamorrow Douglas
Speaker 1: in slot.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's pretty good. Yeah, no, I I I'm that
Speaker 2: would be the top half of the league wide receiver group.
Speaker 1: I don't know, depends on who they get as the
Speaker 1: number one guy.
Speaker 5: T T.
Speaker 2: Higgins, maybe Marvin Harrison Junior. I have this see it
Speaker 2: from T Higgins without Jamar Chase first to be like
Speaker 2: that's fair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who else? I'm trying to think who else?
Speaker 2: I mean, like, if it's like T. Higgins or Jerry
Speaker 2: Judy or I think you're still prove it mode. If
Speaker 2: it's Marvin Harrison Junior, then as much as it's crazy
Speaker 2: for me to say, like this guy that's never played
Speaker 2: in the NFL, but.
Speaker 1: No, I Marvin Harrison or is completely I think I
Speaker 1: said this to you last year. If Marvin Harrison Junior
Speaker 1: is in the NFL right now, he'd be a top
Speaker 1: twenty receiver. I think he'd be higher. I think he's
Speaker 1: a complete unicorn, like right now, like this version of him,
Speaker 1: you'd think he'd be. I'll give you that. I'm fine
Speaker 1: with that. You want to say top fifteen.
Speaker 2: All I know is I watched I actually watched a
Speaker 2: little bit of a college game. I watched a little
Speaker 2: bit of that Ohio State Penn State game. He was
Speaker 2: the best player on the field.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you this, the corner that was covering him, yeah,
Speaker 1: is a projected top twenty pick.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 1: So that's an NFL.
Speaker 2: He was the best player on the field and it
Speaker 2: wasn't particularly close. And he was on the field with
Speaker 2: like twenty other people.
Speaker 1: That I mean, the guy that was covering him is
Speaker 1: going to be yeah, probably second corner off the board. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's so yeah. So all right, so Marvin Harrison junior
Speaker 1: to Mario Douglass, a healthy Kendric Born, Yeah, top half
Speaker 1: of the league. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then everybody that just heard you say, that's gonna
Speaker 2: say who's playing quarterback?
Speaker 1: Which fair, But whoever is, whoever is, is going to
Speaker 1: have an easier time than the guy right now.
Speaker 2: Shocker, you can make it easier on the quarterback.
Speaker 1: I thought, well, no, that's a dirty thing, don't you
Speaker 1: dare say you should get the quarterback help? No, because
Speaker 1: that means he's not good. He should do all this.
Speaker 1: We all know. Lamar Jackson was just cast to the
Speaker 1: cast to the wind by the Ravens and the Bills
Speaker 1: just threw Josh Allen in the deep end with absolutely
Speaker 1: no help and all of that. There's one guy in
Speaker 1: this league that's got no help, and that's Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: and he's having whatever the opposite of a career year is.
Speaker 1: So what does that tell you?
Speaker 2: He all, says Taylor Swift's boyfriend. So you got that going?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: When she shows up, you've seen those splits? I have
Speaker 1: you've seen those splits?
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, you show out in front of
Speaker 2: the girl.
Speaker 1: That's obvious, but look like again getting getting the quarterback. Help.
Speaker 1: You gotta start bringing Taylor Swift on the road. You
Speaker 1: want to help out Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe let's stay you.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing about that. We know Taylor Swift
Speaker 1: loves Challette Stadium, right, she's favorite here, and let's Sadium
Speaker 1: loves Taylor Swift obviously sold out like I would. I
Speaker 1: would say, a logical candidate to ring the bell. But
Speaker 1: if she's wearing cheef s gears, she can't do it.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah she's not, so she won't be here.
Speaker 2: But but but we've had we've had some advanced scouts
Speaker 2: on this and apparently that is a weekend off on
Speaker 2: said European tour. Oh so she could take the PJ
Speaker 2: from you know, wherever she is in Europe to to Fox.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the two artists, and they're not like
Speaker 1: on similar planes as arts, but the two artists that
Speaker 1: like identify with your Lett Stadium the most are Kenny
Speaker 1: Chesney No Shoes Nation Right, was born here and Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1: Chesney rang it. Yeah, she's not ringing the bell should
Speaker 1: maybe not this year, but it should be considered. I'm
Speaker 1: not even and I'm not like that over that. You're
Speaker 1: much bigger Taylor Swift fan than I am Taylor. But
Speaker 1: it would be cool she ring. I do. I do
Speaker 1: like her.
Speaker 2: She's good, like great, great, playing music great, like you know,
Speaker 2: need to decompress music. Just I do like Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2: All right, three downs here. We've already talked a lot
Speaker 2: about my first down, so I won't I won't rag.
Speaker 2: I won't rag on Mac Jones anymore than I already have.
Speaker 2: I will say this though, you know, there's just there's
Speaker 2: too many plays that he's leaving on the field. There's
Speaker 2: just regardless of all the there's a ton of issues
Speaker 2: with this offense. There's issues at the receiver room, routes,
Speaker 2: things like that. I once again am questioning what the
Speaker 2: hell they're being coached by Troy Brown, Like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: but this is just year in and year out, it's
Speaker 2: the same thing. Offensive line, you know, all of it, right,
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, the quarterback's got
Speaker 2: to make some plays. There's plays to be made on
Speaker 2: this film. I thought the interception was one of his
Speaker 2: worst plays in a couple of weeks. Just I know
Speaker 2: the one in Vegas was pretty bad too, but this
Speaker 2: one was right up there is in terms of bad
Speaker 2: just late back foot noodle, like just come on, like,
Speaker 2: we gotta be better than that. Uh So, I would
Speaker 2: say mac Jones is my my first down, but obviously
Speaker 2: I still I still stand with the context on it,
Speaker 2: but he's my first down.
Speaker 1: I the that interception is tough because I I well that,
Speaker 1: but also like Kendrick Bourne's open I know there's been
Speaker 1: some debate about that. I don't think it's a bad
Speaker 1: how do I put this, Throwing the ball to Kendrick
Speaker 1: Born in that spot is not a bad decision. The
Speaker 1: to throw a touch pass in that spot is the
Speaker 1: bad DESI.
Speaker 2: I don't think he threw a touch pass. I think
Speaker 2: that's that right.
Speaker 1: So that's the question, like was it was it? And
Speaker 1: that's where I go. And that's what he said after it,
Speaker 1: it was a bad throw, like, yeah, he saw Kendrick
Speaker 1: was open. That ball needs to be on Kendrick Bourne's
Speaker 1: outside shoulder. It needs to be earlier, earlier outside shoulder,
Speaker 1: back shoulder kind of thing, and said he leads him
Speaker 1: up the side and look, Jaylen Ramsey makes a great play.
Speaker 1: Most corners just break that play up. I don't know
Speaker 1: how many corners picked that ball off. Yeah, in the
Speaker 1: way Jayalen Ramsey. But it's a throw I've seen him make.
Speaker 1: It's a throw I know he can make. But he
Speaker 1: just didn't. And it's that's what's it's the consistency thing.
Speaker 1: That's what's frustrating. Because Kendrick Bourne is open on that play.
Speaker 2: I agree, he's open, it's late. His feet are a mess,
Speaker 2: The fake is horrible, The route wasn't great, Like I
Speaker 2: think Kendrick Bourne could have been available to him a
Speaker 2: little bit sooner, which would have helped. But it just
Speaker 2: overall in general, just a whole like there was probably
Speaker 2: ten plays wrong, ten things wrong on that play and
Speaker 2: it just well designed. And I think that if you're
Speaker 2: Billy O'Brien, like that's got to be the most frustrating
Speaker 2: part about it is that's one hundred and ten percent
Speaker 2: a game planned play, like they they ran that play,
Speaker 2: that practiced it all week from that down in distance
Speaker 2: thinking it was gonna work right like that. That's one
Speaker 2: of those plays that you come into the game with
Speaker 2: and you're like, when we need to pull it out,
Speaker 2: like this is what we're gonna run from the high
Speaker 2: red area, and it just was a complete abomination the
Speaker 2: whole play.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: So Mac Jones number one, number two, you here.
Speaker 1: I hate J C. Jackson, just j C. Jackson.
Speaker 2: I hate I said, I hate putting him there as
Speaker 2: a down because in some respects he got got by
Speaker 2: two of the best receivers in football a couple of times,
Speaker 2: and a lot of it is just Tyree Kills. This
Speaker 2: the best player on the planet right now. I really
Speaker 2: think that. I think Tyree kill is the best player
Speaker 2: in football. And if I was a voter, and I'm not,
Speaker 2: but they should let me vote on MVP someday, I
Speaker 2: would be voting for Tyreek Kill. So far, now there's
Speaker 2: a seventeenth game, so that's a that's a factor here.
Speaker 2: But barring injury, he's going to be the first two
Speaker 2: thousand yard receiver in the history of the NFL. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he's going to do it by like one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty yards.
Speaker 1: So he might do it in sixteen.
Speaker 2: So he might do it in sixteen games, exactly. He
Speaker 2: is the most unstoppable force in the league. That being said,
Speaker 2: the bad eye on the on the touchdown on the
Speaker 2: forty two yard or was awful. You know, just looking
Speaker 2: in the backfield, peaking in the backfield against that guy
Speaker 2: if he if he hands it off on the jet sweep,
Speaker 2: then come up and make the tackle. And if you
Speaker 2: give up ten yards on the jet sweep, you give
Speaker 2: up ten yards on the jets sweep. The last thing
Speaker 2: that you can do is give up a forty two
Speaker 2: yard touchdown, right, Like, that's that's way worse than just
Speaker 2: like sitting back and then coming up and making the
Speaker 2: tackle and maybe giving up some yards on the jet
Speaker 2: jet you know, jet motion.
Speaker 1: That was a horrible play.
Speaker 2: Jalen Wattall spun him around like a top on that
Speaker 2: blaze out that was that was yikes. A couple penalties,
Speaker 2: I know, the one in the end zone was a
Speaker 2: little ticky tack, but Jersey tug is gonna get called
Speaker 2: in this league.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: That's just the bottom line with that. He had a
Speaker 2: couple of run plays too where he was like the
Speaker 2: crack force and just didn't like, didn't didn't replace the edge.
Speaker 2: That was rough, rough game for JC. I will give
Speaker 2: him this though. He was very accountable about it after
Speaker 2: the game, made no excuses. Wouldn't let us talk, you know,
Speaker 2: talk him into making excuses about the refs.
Speaker 1: He was, he was.
Speaker 2: He owned it and I'll give him that. So it's
Speaker 2: not like the rag on him too much. But yeah,
Speaker 2: he's got to be on the down list.
Speaker 1: So I had the defensive coaching staff just because they
Speaker 1: had I kind of liked the game plan. But they
Speaker 1: you did, Yeah, yeah, I did. They had a game
Speaker 1: plan that worked in week two.
Speaker 2: No, it didn't. Where this notion that that game plan worked.
Speaker 1: They allowed fewer points. Tyreek Hill was less productive, Jaalen
Speaker 1: Wall was less productive. How is this game plan better
Speaker 1: when they gave up?
Speaker 2: Because at least they stood toe to toe in the
Speaker 2: middle of the ring.
Speaker 1: If if if Jonathan, they didn't. They allowed two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty yards to two guys.
Speaker 2: Okay, they had an interception. They got him on an
Speaker 2: interception week two. Yeah, but on it not in like
Speaker 2: the same like part of the field like this game.
Speaker 2: I I give them credit the last two weeks one
Speaker 2: hundred defensively, they stood in the middle of the ring
Speaker 2: against Josh Allen in to a they tried to fight,
Speaker 2: they tried to I know, Okay, okay, let's play prevent
Speaker 2: defense to not get burned.
Speaker 1: This this felt like prevent defense, all soft. It was
Speaker 1: all soft covered, totally wrong. And here's what I don't get.
Speaker 1: Why is Jonathan Jones not covering Tyreek Hill because he's hurt,
Speaker 1: but so he can cover Jalen Waddle.
Speaker 2: I think that he I think he was limited in
Speaker 2: this game.
Speaker 1: I it just it. I think he had at least
Speaker 1: give him a shot. At a certain point.
Speaker 6: J C.
Speaker 1: Jackson couldn't do it. Miles Bryant stopped putting Miles Bryan
Speaker 1: on fast receivers, right, I.
Speaker 2: Honestly have, like Jack Jones, Jonathan Jones give him a shot.
Speaker 2: Jack Jones actually ended up covering Tyreek Kill more than j.
Speaker 1: C because they had to take Jac off of him. Maybe,
Speaker 1: I just I don't understated if Jonathan Jones healthy enough
Speaker 1: to be out there, you gotta give him shot on
Speaker 1: Tyrek Hill, that's the guy. That's the guy for six
Speaker 1: or seven. I just I it all felt very soft.
Speaker 1: It all, this one felt it very preventy to me.
Speaker 2: Oh no, they played a ton of man coverage in
Speaker 2: this game. They played like forty five percent of their
Speaker 2: downs and men.
Speaker 1: Cou but it saw it. They were all They're playing
Speaker 1: off maybe a little bit. We talked. We talked about
Speaker 1: this on the show Evan leading in the game. They
Speaker 1: need to get up, they need to depress, they need
Speaker 1: to be physical receivers, give the past rush of chance.
Speaker 2: I think they did. I think they blitzed a lot
Speaker 2: in this game. They had like a forty five percent
Speaker 2: blitz right on Tua. They played like fifty percent man
Speaker 2: coverage in this game.
Speaker 1: I'm talking. I'm talking about they tried.
Speaker 2: I just think that the Dolphins receivers are better and
Speaker 2: they just got burned.
Speaker 1: When I'm saying I don't like the game plan, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about specifically in the secondary, I'm fine with that
Speaker 1: they did upfront.
Speaker 2: I just think they they played too safe in the secondary.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, I think they didn't play safe enough.
Speaker 2: Like you know, they're they're getting pulled up by eye
Speaker 2: candy and stuff like that in the backfield and giving
Speaker 2: up forty two yard touchdowns like on quarters, like it's
Speaker 2: quarters coverage, Like you can't give up the deep part
Speaker 2: of the field in quarters you have four guys across
Speaker 2: the deep part of the field.
Speaker 1: I just think they're trying to get guys to run with,
Speaker 1: guys that weren't gonna run with.
Speaker 2: I don't disagree to an extent, I guess with that,
Speaker 2: but like at the same time, I don't know what
Speaker 2: choice that they have. These are the guys that they
Speaker 2: have available to them, and playing like they did in
Speaker 2: Week two looked good on the scoreboard, like that they
Speaker 2: only gave up twenty four points, But when you really
Speaker 2: think about it, the Dolphins missed field goals in that
Speaker 2: game to a tripped all over himself on third down
Speaker 2: in the red zone, and that's why they forced a
Speaker 2: field goal.
Speaker 1: Tripped all over himself in this game, fumbled the first
Speaker 1: on the first drive of the second half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they they competed. I thought in this game
Speaker 2: for most of the first half.
Speaker 1: Really the only time that they when you're giving, when
Speaker 1: you give up, when you have third and fourteen twice
Speaker 1: and you give a first down both times giving.
Speaker 2: Because because they missed tackles and they like that, like
Speaker 2: all that type of stuff to me was like execution,
Speaker 2: Like they they missed tackles. Your Gelanti Tavai like has
Speaker 2: uh what's his name? They're they're running back like in
Speaker 2: the flat on the screen and he just misses the tackle,
Speaker 2: like I don't know, you know. I I commend the
Speaker 2: defensive coaches the last two weeks. They have played Miami
Speaker 2: in Buffalo. For the past couple of seasons really mostly
Speaker 2: last year with Miami obviously, but the last couple of
Speaker 2: years they've played Buffalo specifically, just don't beat us, like
Speaker 2: can't like surrender the Buffalo game planners better. It was
Speaker 2: the same game plan, That's what I'm telling you. Like
Speaker 2: they played it's a different team, but they played the
Speaker 2: same coverages like they play. They tried the same things
Speaker 2: and they just got burnt.
Speaker 1: But it's a very different team to defend Miami is
Speaker 1: than Buffalo. I don't disagree.
Speaker 2: I just I would much rather than go down swinging
Speaker 2: than than played three deep safety prevent like they did
Speaker 2: in Week two.
Speaker 1: I think they if Jonathan Jones were certain, then they
Speaker 1: kind of had to do that. I see. We we
Speaker 1: talked on the show last week. Get up, press them,
Speaker 1: get physical, make them get off the line, and see
Speaker 1: if you can get to Tua. Well, while these guys
Speaker 1: are trying to get off line, they did none of that.
Speaker 1: That was the kind of aggression I wanted to see
Speaker 1: from them.
Speaker 2: They tried. They did the first first drive of the game.
Speaker 2: They played a repid two man That's what got them
Speaker 2: off the field. That was good to see. Look, I
Speaker 2: think in this Shanahan and you know McDaniel's scheme, what
Speaker 2: what makes what makes it so difficult is all the
Speaker 2: motion that they use.
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna you know you're playing, I mean,
Speaker 1: they can't handle that motion. And that's another conversation most
Speaker 1: teams can't, right, Like.
Speaker 2: If you're playing man coverage and then they bring the
Speaker 2: receiver in motion, you can't press the receiver anymore, right, So,
Speaker 2: you know, those are the things that they do, and
Speaker 2: they do a good job of it. And I just
Speaker 2: like I said, I understand where you're coming from. That
Speaker 2: that it in terms of the production, this game plan
Speaker 2: looks worse than the week two game plan. But in
Speaker 2: week two, what I saw was a team that was
Speaker 2: basically just like dying not to lose, right, Like they're
Speaker 2: playing not to lose. And in this game, I think
Speaker 2: they at least went down swinging. They lost, they got beat,
Speaker 2: but they went down swinging. And I would also say,
Speaker 2: if they don't bust the coverage on the jail and
Speaker 2: Wattle touchdown at the end of the game, like, how
Speaker 2: does it look?
Speaker 1: That's right? Well, So to go back to the original point, coaching,
Speaker 1: defensive coaching down didn't know what they were looking at
Speaker 1: on that play. That's a coaching thing. Got to get
Speaker 1: them ready for that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean they they had been switching it
Speaker 2: all again. I just they didn't let me. Let me
Speaker 2: put the defense didn't look prepared. Oh really with the
Speaker 2: motion stuff I'm saying, Oh, I think they did on
Speaker 2: fourth down, like the first fourth down of the game
Speaker 2: that they went for. It is like fourth and one.
Speaker 2: They were too many in jo was just an excellent J. C.
Speaker 1: Jackson coming up towards the line of scrimmage on the
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill touchdown. Yeah, the getting beat on the Jalen
Speaker 1: Wata went Tyrek Hill said it after the game that
Speaker 1: they knew they were going to key in on certain
Speaker 1: things and if they recognized him king in on slants
Speaker 1: and in cuts, they could beat him over the top.
Speaker 1: And they did that multiple times. I guess yeah.
Speaker 2: I just I think they had a good plan coming
Speaker 2: into this game, and then I think unfortunately the execution
Speaker 2: just went down the wayside because they don't have the players.
Speaker 2: They just don't have the horses like they would. They
Speaker 2: were doing a lot of like the switches on the
Speaker 2: motion that the teams have done. You know that first
Speaker 2: fourth down of the game. I know that it gets converted,
Speaker 2: but it's like a ridiculous back shoulder throw by Tua
Speaker 2: to Jalen Waddle and the motion comes and Tyreek goes
Speaker 2: in motion and Miles Bryan and I think it was
Speaker 2: Jack Jones on that side of the field. No, it's
Speaker 2: Jac Jackson. They switched the motion right and Miles Bryan
Speaker 2: takes the new number two and Jac takes Tyreek kill
Speaker 2: and they had it covered really well. It just was
Speaker 2: a better throw, And I just I think that they
Speaker 2: had a plan. You know that a lot of those
Speaker 2: Kyle Dugger tackles that we talked about on the goal
Speaker 2: line and things like that, they they were covering the motion,
Speaker 2: like like Jabriel Peppers had him if he came out
Speaker 2: the right side, and Dugger had him if he came
Speaker 2: out the left side. Their communication broke down on the
Speaker 2: wattle one like Jack Jones was in one coverage and four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was a bust all right, last one here. All
Speaker 2: the wide receivers, every single one of them. All of
Speaker 2: them are on the list. All of them, like Pop
Speaker 2: Douglas is the only one that I want to like
Speaker 2: kind of you could say, but I'm saying, I'm saying
Speaker 2: all of them. Uh, they're the spacing, the route running
Speaker 2: miscues from a you know, a mental standpoint of conversions,
Speaker 2: just the overall lack of just juice or playmaking or anything.
Speaker 2: All the wide receivers were terrible in this game. I,
Speaker 2: like I said earlier in the show, once again, I'm
Speaker 2: asking Troy Brown to please do something anything to get
Speaker 2: these guys to space out their routes correctly. Like first
Speaker 2: third down in the game, it's third and twelve. You
Speaker 2: have three guys on top of each other. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: been happening for two straight years now, Like how long
Speaker 2: are we gonna let this go on for? And don't
Speaker 2: tell me that it's just because they all stink, Like
Speaker 2: that's that's mental. Like that's like a route running issue, right,
Speaker 2: you know, it's spacing. It's not Oh they can't separate
Speaker 2: against man coverage, that's because they all stink. Okay, this
Speaker 2: is different. I'm not saying that they all stink.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying.
Speaker 2: That's that's different. The spacing is terrible. The quarterback has
Speaker 2: no idea where half these guys are going on any
Speaker 2: particular play. They just didn't look ready to play in
Speaker 2: this game from a wide receiver standpoint, and that has
Speaker 2: to go down to the coaching. Those guys have to
Speaker 2: get ready fair enough.
Speaker 1: My third down. Let me preface this by saying, all right,
Speaker 1: my third down is the rest And because I I
Speaker 1: didn't think we were going to talk about it otherwise,
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring it up because I want to
Speaker 1: talk about this in two directions. One, the refs are
Speaker 1: not the reason the Patriots lost this game. Everybody complains
Speaker 1: about the J. C. Jackson PI, which was probably a
Speaker 1: hold if it was anything, but that happens on every play.
Speaker 1: But all right, yeah, you get you got a third
Speaker 1: and six on a bad penalty. You had two third
Speaker 1: and fourteens and two fourth downs. You had four chances
Speaker 1: to get off the field earlier in that drive and
Speaker 1: you didn't. The best way to avoid getting beat by
Speaker 1: the refs is to not put yourself in a position
Speaker 1: where the refs can beat you, and that's what the
Speaker 1: Patriots did in this game. That being said, the no
Speaker 1: call on the DeVante Parker hit is atrocious. Yep, plain
Speaker 1: and simple.
Speaker 2: I have the no call on on two guys going
Speaker 2: in motion at the snap.
Speaker 1: I was going to get to, there's no excuse to
Speaker 1: be missing essentially targeting calls hits that no excuse to
Speaker 1: be missing it. And I think that rattled the Patriots
Speaker 1: a little bit because they've given the green light to
Speaker 1: head hunt the refs have. And that's the thing, you know,
Speaker 1: these players are looking at like what can I get
Speaker 1: away within this game? And what can't I in all regards.
Speaker 1: It's not just that penalty, holding, penalty's pass interference, all
Speaker 1: of it, and then the two guys in motion, I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, Yeah, it's happening right in front of you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that was really bad. This was a big game
Speaker 1: for get somebody up on the booth that has a button. Well,
Speaker 1: when they press the button, it goes down to the field.
Speaker 2: My biggest thing is is that they do that on
Speaker 2: some plays like the illegal man downfield penalty, yeah, which
Speaker 2: I think just to in the interest of fairness. They
Speaker 2: picked up one on David Andrews the week before. I
Speaker 2: was I was laughing about that. So we can't sit
Speaker 2: here and say that we that Dad's a bogus call
Speaker 2: and they shouldn't be picking it up because the Patriots
Speaker 2: benefited from the same call the week before. So I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that. But those are two clear calls in
Speaker 2: both instances where that's coming from New York. There's no
Speaker 2: way the refs just like met and huddled up and
Speaker 2: change their minds, Like there's no way it's happening too
Speaker 2: fast for somebody to just miraculously come up with the
Speaker 2: fact that that's that's not actually a legal man downfield.
Speaker 2: So they're they're buzzing in in some plays from New
Speaker 2: York and changing calls, but they're not buzzing in on
Speaker 2: like the DeVante Parker head hunting play.
Speaker 1: And look the league. The league knows this is an issue.
Speaker 1: They put Walt Anderson on Monday Night Football. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's just it's the officiating has become a major storyline
Speaker 1: this year across the league. This is not just Patriots thing.
Speaker 1: They it's something they got to clean up, period, full stop.
Speaker 1: Gotta clean it up. Yep.
Speaker 2: I agree, all right, let's let's get to the phones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that all being said, it's not why they lost
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 2: I like how we always have to like preface it.
Speaker 1: So I have a rule. I have a sorry, I
Speaker 1: know you want to get phones. I have a real person.
Speaker 1: I allow myself one game a year, calendar year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all sports, all my teams, all of them. I get
Speaker 1: one game a year that I get to blame on
Speaker 1: the refs. That's it. And I haven't used my game
Speaker 1: yet this year. I used it too early. Last year.
Speaker 1: It was it was a game two, Game three against
Speaker 1: the Bucks for the Celtics where Marcus Smart's arm is
Speaker 1: getting held down as he shoots the ball, and they
Speaker 1: said it wasn't a shooting foul. I used it there.
Speaker 1: I blew it early. I usually try to save it
Speaker 1: for football season. I haven't had to use my game
Speaker 1: yet this year, but I give myself one game of
Speaker 1: year to blame on the rest. This wasn't it, But
Speaker 1: I think more people should adopt that approach.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the phones. John is in Louisiana.
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 2: John's Uh? Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 7: Oh, I just want to see how y'all feel about
Speaker 7: this point on magis like, I feel like it's the
Speaker 7: same where they're allowed his chair, and I feel like
Speaker 7: a lot of the fads that he make it more
Speaker 7: magnified with me. I know you just talked about it
Speaker 7: a lot of players with from the field, but I went,
Speaker 7: y'all feel about there?
Speaker 1: What was the first point? Sorry?
Speaker 2: You just you broke up a little bit there, Oh.
Speaker 7: I said, I feel like the same is the booths
Speaker 7: are louder than the year. I feel like that coming
Speaker 7: full for wishing with Mega right now?
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, thanks for the John, appreciate it. I
Speaker 2: guess I don't know. I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 2: that's saying is, so maybe that's that's throwing me off
Speaker 2: a little bit. But at the same time, I feel
Speaker 2: like with Mac the criticism is all fair of him,
Speaker 2: Like we have to be objective of what we're seeing
Speaker 2: on the field and he's not playing good enough, Like
Speaker 2: that's that's all fair. What my whole take is with Mac,
Speaker 2: and I think you know alse you mentioned earlier in
Speaker 2: the show that we kind of get ragged on for
Speaker 2: being like mac apologists and making excuses for him and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. My whole thing at this point with
Speaker 2: Mac is more so that they need to learn from
Speaker 2: their mistakes with this quarterback, because if it's the same
Speaker 2: regime that's bringing up the next guy and they do
Speaker 2: the same things and they check the same boxes that
Speaker 2: they did this time around, then I don't care if
Speaker 2: it's Caleb Williams, if it's Drake May, if it's Michael Pennix,
Speaker 2: if it's JJ McCarthy, they're gonna fail just like Mac
Speaker 2: Jones failed. If they change, if they go through three
Speaker 2: coordinators in three years, if they have no offensive line
Speaker 2: two seasons, if they have no weapons for two seasons,
Speaker 2: that that quarterback, a young quarterback, is not going to
Speaker 2: fix those problems. The only guys that fix those types
Speaker 2: of problems are veteran guys like a Brady like in
Speaker 2: thirteen and stuff. Like that that can just hold it
Speaker 2: afloat and keep you functional or unicorns, And if you
Speaker 2: think that you're just gonna get a unicorn, then like
Speaker 2: good luck. And even those guys like we consider Patrick
Speaker 2: Mahomes a unicorn, right for obvious reasons. But he came
Speaker 2: into the league with Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelcey, and Andy
Speaker 2: Reid calling his plays like let's call a spade a spade.
Speaker 2: It's not like he came into the league and turned
Speaker 2: the Jacksonville Jaguars like Trevor Lawrence is trying to do
Speaker 2: into a two time Super Bowl champion. He had a
Speaker 2: Alex Smith was into the playoffs the year before that
Speaker 2: he took over, right, So that's the thing, Like you,
Speaker 2: there is one hundred percent nature going on with mac
Speaker 2: Jones that he has limitations. He has physical limitations, and
Speaker 2: I'm coming around to the fact that he might have
Speaker 2: intangible limitations also just attitude stuff, right, But at the
Speaker 2: same point, there's also a nurture argument of young quarterbacks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and the next guy, And this is why I really
Speaker 2: feel strongly about the fact that the next head coach
Speaker 2: of the Patriots needs to be an offensive guy, because
Speaker 2: I want the continent.
Speaker 1: What if except what if it's Josh McDaniels in a
Speaker 1: defensive coach. Josh McDaniels is not going anywhere, I guess I.
Speaker 1: But I worry about the system. That's okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1: That's that's fair. I worry about that. But if that's
Speaker 1: that's better, it's better.
Speaker 2: Yes, if it's strad and it's Josh McDaniels, and at
Speaker 2: least I feel a little bit better about that.
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels. Okay, yeah, that's not happening. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: Uh no, I it's the nature researcher thing, that's all
Speaker 1: of it. The Patriots have all the things that we
Speaker 1: as Patriots fans used to point it, the Bears and
Speaker 1: the Browns and the Bills and all these teams in
Speaker 1: the quarterback carousel for twenty something years. That all happen
Speaker 1: to start with b I'm trying to think of another one,
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. All these teams that have been in the
Speaker 1: quarterback carself for years, and the things we laugh at
Speaker 1: them for doing are things the Patriots have done. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Jets, I think are the perfect Jets. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I con't think of the Jets.
Speaker 2: What you're risking is being going from Sam Darnald to
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson. That's what you're risking, everything.
Speaker 1: From Christian Hackenberg to Sam Darnald or from Genos Christian Hackenberg.
Speaker 2: Right, But and look at Gino, like Mark Sanchez, the
Speaker 2: Gino is now having like a late career like revitalization.
Speaker 2: And I think the one guy not to say that
Speaker 2: Mac is going to do this, but the one guy
Speaker 2: that I also went back and thought about is Alex Smith,
Speaker 2: who in San Francisco it was a disaster for him,
Speaker 2: like multiple coordinators, a bad roster around him, and he's terrible.
Speaker 2: Then he goes to Andy Reid in Kansas City and
Speaker 2: he has like this like eight year run where he
Speaker 2: is an NFL quarterback and making the playoffs and like
Speaker 2: winning ten games a year like, and that's that's the
Speaker 2: that's the genesis of it all. Like if if you
Speaker 2: are out on Mac, that's fine. I'm not gonna sit
Speaker 2: here and try to convince you that Mac Jones is
Speaker 2: secretly this great quarterback that they're holding back in anymore.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you have to recognize that
Speaker 2: every quarterback is going to fail if they're put into
Speaker 2: a position where Matt Patricia is their offensive coordinator for
Speaker 2: a year. Then Billy O'Brien comes in and they have
Speaker 2: all these personnel issues around the quarterback, Like this is
Speaker 2: just not going to work for anybody, and they have
Speaker 2: to be able to learn from their mistakes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that that's a massive point and it's
Speaker 1: it's unfortunately there are going to be long term implications
Speaker 1: of all this because whoever they draft, Drake May, Michael Pennocks, whoever.
Speaker 1: Let's say it's a good rookie heear. Yeah, you know what,
Speaker 1: everybody's going to talk about that entire spring and summer
Speaker 1: that Mac mac had a good rookie year too. Matt,
Speaker 1: I'm not buying anything right. Still might suck like that
Speaker 1: is coming and they've sort of brought that on the
Speaker 1: not sort if they brought that on themselves.
Speaker 2: All right, Erica's in Nashville. It's up Eric, guys.
Speaker 7: How's it going good?
Speaker 5: I you know, you guys kind of took my question
Speaker 5: right before I was going to ask it, just about
Speaker 5: like change and everything in the NFL, Like when you
Speaker 5: look at Mariota and Alex Smith, just like Alex and Alex.
Speaker 5: Evan was kind of saying like those guys, you know,
Speaker 5: they they struggled because they had so many offense coordinators,
Speaker 5: so many offensive changes through three years. And I didn't,
Speaker 5: you know, think those guys were bums when they first
Speaker 5: came out. But I think if this offense doesn't keep
Speaker 5: the nucleus together for at least another year, then you
Speaker 5: might as well just like switch everything, switch their game,
Speaker 5: switch the quarterback, because you're just setting your team up
Speaker 5: for failure at that point, Like O'Brien's going to ask
Speaker 5: for different things that McDaniels is going to ask for
Speaker 5: if he comes back. So it's like you're just kind
Speaker 5: of starting over offensively every single year, and in the NFL,
Speaker 5: you need that continuity to kind of like build.
Speaker 2: Off of Yeah, yeah, yeah, I couldn't agree more with that, Eric,
Speaker 2: And thanks for the call. I couldn't agree more. And
Speaker 2: I feel that way not only just about the offense.
Speaker 2: I also feel that way about some of their pending
Speaker 2: free agents that are coming up. Like they have one
Speaker 2: hundred million dollar in cap space roughly. I know that
Speaker 2: some numbers are different than others, but let's just call
Speaker 2: it one hundred million, just for a nice round number.
Speaker 2: They have so much cap space next to offseason, Alex
Speaker 2: that there's no reason to start all over with Mike
Speaker 2: on Wen who at guard or tackle or wherever you
Speaker 2: want to play. I'm Kyle Duggar right, like these guys,
Speaker 2: So why like why why let go of these players
Speaker 2: that have been good players for you, that were good
Speaker 2: draft picks like Dugger and Mike on wn who are
Speaker 2: two of your best draft picks in like the last decade. Like,
Speaker 2: and that's not an exaggeration, Like those two guys. Mike
Speaker 2: on Winning in the sixth round is a hell of
Speaker 2: a draft pick by the Patriots. Yeah, and to move
Speaker 2: on from those guys is just foolish, Like you have
Speaker 2: to start building something at some point. And those guys,
Speaker 2: I think whether you know, uh to use the lombardis
Speaker 2: and we talk about his Tuesday player thing a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Mike on Winning and Kyle Dugger are probably like red chips.
Speaker 2: They're probably not blue chip players, right, but but red
Speaker 2: chip are still valuable.
Speaker 1: You need those guys. You absolutely need those guys.
Speaker 2: And that's in red chips are still above like average
Speaker 2: NFL starter. We're talking about above average NFL starts.
Speaker 1: These are guys you're talking Madden, You know, mid high
Speaker 1: eighties rating, which they're not your superstars, but they're you're
Speaker 1: not like actively trying to replace them either. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: Zach coxer Nessen had a really interesting number he tweeted
Speaker 1: out this week that was Patriots in the first three
Speaker 1: rounds between twenty fourteen and twenty nineteen. So that's the
Speaker 1: last five years eligible for an extension this year, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty classes up right, twenty fourteen, twenty nineteen drafted nineteen
Speaker 1: players in the first three rounds. Yeah, zero of them
Speaker 1: got a second contract. Joe Tooney got a franchise tag.
Speaker 1: That's as close as it came. Now, look, there are
Speaker 1: a lot of those pics are bus A lot of
Speaker 1: those guys are just players. You're not going to sign
Speaker 1: a second contract, and that's part of this conversation. But Toney,
Speaker 1: even a guy like Damien Harris, how much could this
Speaker 1: team use Damien Harris? Right now? Are guys they didn't
Speaker 1: bring back, and you want a reason why they're And
Speaker 1: Zach had the five years prior to that, and I
Speaker 1: think it's something like four thirteen players or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why you in the spot you're in because you're not
Speaker 1: retaining young talent you're not retaining young talent. You have
Speaker 1: to have to do that in the NFL. Part of
Speaker 1: that is picking better players, but part of it is
Speaker 1: also when you do pick good players, which they've picked
Speaker 1: some you mentioned Mike Conuanu, Kyle Duggar, Josh Uche or
Speaker 1: even undrafted free agents jac jack jac Jackson, Jacoby Myers.
Speaker 1: You have to retain these guys. You got to bring
Speaker 1: them back at a certain point. You can't just keep
Speaker 1: churning your roster. It's a new fifty three players every
Speaker 1: four years.
Speaker 2: It's so true. It's the NFL. It's just replace, replace, replace, replace,
Speaker 2: and it's it's add You're just constantly catching your tail
Speaker 2: and replace.
Speaker 1: Look, it's the NFL. There's roster turnover more than any
Speaker 1: other league except for the NBA. But it's the NFL.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of roster turnover, yes, but not the
Speaker 1: whole roster. You need a core of five to ten
Speaker 1: guys least. That's you, that's your base, that's your foundation.
Speaker 1: And they really like it's sort of if they had
Speaker 1: a course like Matthew Slater, David Andrews, Jonathan Jones, Dietrich Wise, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Lawrence Guy, I guess you throw in there, Bentley, But
Speaker 1: like those guys are starting to get older, and those
Speaker 1: guys aren't necessarily impact players. They may be good players
Speaker 1: in the locker room, but they're not all these high
Speaker 1: red ship players. You need to start building an identity
Speaker 1: because when you lock in Kyle Duggart, you know that
Speaker 1: spots set in what Kyle Duggart does. You're gonna go
Speaker 1: out and get other players that make sense in the
Speaker 1: context of we're gonna have him do this next to
Speaker 1: Kyle Duggar, like the free safety thing. Right, instead of
Speaker 1: these guys accommodating for your losses, you're gonna build around them.
Speaker 1: They need to need to need to start doing that,
Speaker 1: and some of it is picking better players. But they
Speaker 1: have hit on a couple of picks the last few years.
Speaker 1: They've hit on some free agency. We've talked about Jabrill Peppers.
Speaker 1: That's the guy that you get an extension this offseason.
Speaker 1: They need to start building that core.
Speaker 2: And that's I think everybody, and I understand everybody wants
Speaker 2: the Patriots to have better players, right, they want better
Speaker 2: more talent, better players, more top end talent to the roster.
Speaker 2: But the thing is is that if you retain some
Speaker 2: of the red chips and then you add blue chips
Speaker 2: on top of the red chips. Well, now you're building
Speaker 2: to something, right.
Speaker 1: So for instance, perfect example of this, and I know
Speaker 1: it's going to drive you up a well, but I
Speaker 1: don't care. Probably they had Ted Carris yep, who was
Speaker 1: what twenty six, twenty seven something like that, and Jack
Speaker 1: Mason was a little older but was still playing. Well.
Speaker 1: They moved on from both of those guys and in
Speaker 1: the last two years they've drafted four guards in the
Speaker 1: top one fifty, including one in the first round. Because
Speaker 1: they're chasing their tail on it, right, if you re
Speaker 1: sign Ted Carris, who didn't, it wasn't unreally they went
Speaker 1: to the negotiation table and pulled back their off the offer.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 1: Do they still draft col Strange? I don't know, but
Speaker 1: like you can use those picks, maybe they don't feel
Speaker 1: as pressed to need to add his guard. Maybe you
Speaker 1: use those picks on a tackle or on a safety
Speaker 1: or on a running back or something like that. Christ
Speaker 1: or Christian Watson. Yes, that's always been my second guest
Speaker 1: with that draft. Please that that that's kind of how
Speaker 1: this this whole thing works. If you don't let Stefan
Speaker 1: Gilmour and J. C. Jackson walk. Maybe you don't have
Speaker 1: to take two corners and look, they've been good, Jack
Speaker 1: Jones and Marcus Jones, but maybe you don't have to
Speaker 1: take two corners there back to back, and you add
Speaker 1: a player in another position where you need a depth
Speaker 1: before you got to keep some of the good players,
Speaker 1: and you can overextend the other way too, And that's
Speaker 1: what teams like the Rams have done, and they got
Speaker 1: in big trouble. But there is a happy medium between
Speaker 1: keeping some good players and letting some walk, and the
Speaker 1: really good teams figure out who are the right ones
Speaker 1: to let walk and who are the right ones keep.
Speaker 1: And they were excellent at that for twenty years. They
Speaker 1: were so good it. This is the guy we're gonna
Speaker 1: bring back, this is the guy we're gonna let go.
Speaker 1: You go through it like how many.
Speaker 2: Times like Chandler Jones, Adante Hi Tower, right.
Speaker 1: How many times until the last five years was there
Speaker 1: a player that they let walk that we were really like, Man,
Speaker 1: that one sucks, the one everybody brings up as a
Speaker 1: Keeam Hicks, which yeah, he was good, but also they
Speaker 1: had good defensive tackles. Well, that was happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I don't think there's a big one.
Speaker 1: So this is something they were able to do, and
Speaker 1: they did, they've just stopped doing in the last four
Speaker 1: or five years. And to say, oh, well Brady covered
Speaker 1: it up, He's not covering up the defensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball like that. Maybe on offense he covered up
Speaker 1: a little bit, but I don't know. Again, I don't
Speaker 1: know how many offensive players in the Dynasty era they
Speaker 1: let go that I was like, and honestly, the few
Speaker 1: they did, they ended up bringing back Garrett Blunt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so here this kind of irks me, Like,
Speaker 2: and it's not about Braxton Barrios might be one of
Speaker 2: the biggest ones. It's not about like, it's not about
Speaker 2: discounting Brady, Like, let's not what I actually I think
Speaker 2: it's become to the point were like, it's it's honestly
Speaker 2: unfair to some of the great players that played around Brady,
Speaker 2: because now the the take is is that.
Speaker 1: Brady just did everything. Brady.
Speaker 2: Brady played every all, all twenty two spots on the field.
Speaker 2: It was just Brady and it they people realize that
Speaker 2: the Patriots have two defensive players in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 2: now from the Dynasty era, right, like Richard Seymour and
Speaker 2: Ty Law are in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: NFL Hall of Fame. Yeah, pro football, I should say
Speaker 2: the Rodney Harrison should be in the Pro Football Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame.
Speaker 1: We both are yes on that. I think that is
Speaker 1: the second biggest Hall of Fame exclusion in all the sports.
Speaker 2: Should be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Yes, Okay,
Speaker 2: And I always say this. If William mcginnison, Teddy Bruski
Speaker 2: played on the seventies Steelers, they'd also be in the
Speaker 2: Profoball Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Okay, we keep doing.
Speaker 2: That, right, So to sit there and say and then
Speaker 2: Dynasty two point zero, Gronkowski, Edelman, high Tower, mccordy. You know,
Speaker 2: obviously Rivas was here for a year, Gilmour was here
Speaker 2: for a couple. Decent player here like these these guys
Speaker 2: are good football players.
Speaker 1: They don't don't don't be little the guys by saying
Speaker 1: the teams they It's not like they never built good teams.
Speaker 1: It's the approach seems to have changed. Basically, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even say since Brady left, I think in
Speaker 1: the final you know you came on the beat. Evan
Speaker 1: approach has changed.
Speaker 2: That would ruin like the move that started to like
Speaker 2: really ruin. This whole thing for me was Tony, Like
Speaker 2: Toney was such a perfect resign. But yeah, no, I
Speaker 2: mean maybe the timeline started, but like that one really
Speaker 2: irks me. And you know Paul and I'll tell him.
Speaker 2: I have said this on Unfiltered. Paul always comes at
Speaker 2: me and says, like, do guards on your own time? YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2: Do you think the Chiefs have any buyer's remorse with
Speaker 2: Joe Touney. Joe Tony is going to be an All Pro.
Speaker 2: He's going to be a first team again Pro. I
Speaker 2: think he was. I don't think he was yet. I
Speaker 2: think it might be his first but he's he should
Speaker 2: be a first team All Pro. He's maybe the best
Speaker 2: guard in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He's up there. He's fantastic. He was a second team
Speaker 1: All Pro last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is absolutely fantastic, and he's durable. He's on
Speaker 2: the field all the time. And you're telling me that
Speaker 2: you never missed one game of the day, that this
Speaker 2: wouldn't look better on offense if they had a pocket
Speaker 2: for Mac Jones and it wasn't cole Strange and then
Speaker 2: whatever they're putting at right guard or whatever they're putting
Speaker 2: at left guard because Cole Strange is hurt or not
Speaker 2: or benched because he's not playing well like that. This
Speaker 2: is all a factor, and especially when you have a
Speaker 2: pocket quarterback that that one just I can't I can't
Speaker 2: deal with that still, all right, Isaac is in Reno?
Speaker 1: What's up? Isaac listener?
Speaker 6: First time solar here?
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 6: I just feel like I'd rather keep Nax for another
Speaker 6: year and build up the offense before we throw in
Speaker 6: another young quarterback and possibly ruin her. That being said,
Speaker 6: if the team does decide to get a new quarterback,
Speaker 6: probably in the draft, I'm just wondering how much of
Speaker 6: the staff and roster you would keep, especially on the offense.
Speaker 6: And I guess what you're playing in free agency and
Speaker 6: the rest of the draft would be Thanks.
Speaker 1: Guys, Thanks Isaac. Offense.
Speaker 2: Offense, offense, offense, offense. I'm spending every cap dollar in
Speaker 2: every draft pick in the top one hundred on offense.
Speaker 1: You gotta resign some guys on defense to do that,
Speaker 1: but yeah.
Speaker 2: All of offense all over the place. If they use
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this now on November two, if they
Speaker 2: use a top one hundred on a defensive player, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna lose my mind. Shared verse future Patriots, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: lose my effing mind.
Speaker 1: You need to.
Speaker 2: This league has changed and until I say this all
Speaker 2: the time, until this organization philosophically changes their approach to
Speaker 2: team building and recognizes that unless they score thirty points
Speaker 2: a game, they are not winning anything anything in this
Speaker 2: league anymore. They are gonna be stuck here. This is
Speaker 2: where they're gonna be stuck. And you your major picks.
Speaker 2: You got your picks last year, Bill on defense, all right,
Speaker 2: so you have Gonzales, you have White, you have whatever
Speaker 2: they're gonna turn Mapu into, which is probably a bust
Speaker 2: because they don't know how to use them. And they're
Speaker 2: gonna that's fine. Like you had your picks on defense
Speaker 2: last year, you mentioned retain. Okay, bring back Kyle Duggar, right,
Speaker 2: and make sure you have the nucleus of this defense together,
Speaker 2: just like you did last offseason. You brought back the
Speaker 2: entire defense besides Devin mccordy. So do it again. The
Speaker 2: defense is more than set, right, It's fine. You're gonna
Speaker 2: have Gonzales back. Maybe you work something out to have
Speaker 2: Jude on back.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have well, but they say, oh, you're right,
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right. I forgot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: have Jude on back.
Speaker 2: Maybe if you want to address you know, we've we've
Speaker 2: been talking about it, so we got we have to
Speaker 2: be fair. If you want to address free safety, then fine,
Speaker 2: that's the one. But you don't and nowadays you really
Speaker 2: don't see teams drafting free safety.
Speaker 1: Most of these guys are not first round. You can
Speaker 1: do that the Secondude where they took Mapus where they
Speaker 1: had done it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but a lot of the time I would say
Speaker 2: the reason for that is because they really hasn't been
Speaker 2: like a unicorn free safety in a while.
Speaker 1: No, there there is sort of one this year. So
Speaker 1: you're gonna drive yourself up a wallet. Cooper to Gene,
Speaker 1: I keep telling.
Speaker 2: You no, but no, I don't want to hear that name.
Speaker 2: Uh I just offense, offense, offense, And if you're gonna
Speaker 2: go about it, if you're gonna load up in the
Speaker 2: veteran market on offense, first of all, like, please get
Speaker 2: it right this time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and no more.
Speaker 2: John Hu Smiths than Juju smith Schusters, please, But at
Speaker 2: the same time, like you know, if you're if you
Speaker 2: get to the draft and you have t Higgins on
Speaker 2: this roster and you brought back Kendrick Bourne and he's
Speaker 2: gonna be healthy, and you have Pop Douglas emerging, and
Speaker 2: you maybe you bring back Hunter Henry also because he's
Speaker 2: a functional tight end, so you might as well.
Speaker 1: He's a franchise at Canada. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: So you have all this in peace already by the
Speaker 2: time you get to the draft, then okay, maybe I
Speaker 2: can talk myself into not going off you know, all
Speaker 2: three picks.
Speaker 1: Two or three at least. Yeah, yeah, I would agree
Speaker 1: with that. I had a point and I don't remember
Speaker 1: what it was. So Eric, Eric is in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: What's up? Eric?
Speaker 9: Hey, guys, I had a question and what would you rather?
Speaker 9: The question is for the practice, how do you I mean,
Speaker 9: how many snaps you guys have a better view and understanding.
Speaker 9: So when we say guys aren't showing up in practice
Speaker 9: like obviously you know, you guys have boute thor and
Speaker 9: you guys lower down the depth chart, like how many
Speaker 9: reps are they.
Speaker 4: Really getting to determine? Like this guy's making plays in practice,
Speaker 4: because that's one thing I don't I don't know how
Speaker 4: many live plays after running. And then what would you
Speaker 4: rather for next year? Would you rather go in the
Speaker 4: next season for bringing back Bill Mac, drafting Marvin Harrison
Speaker 4: and signing Michael Pittman or next season bringing Bennie Johnson,
Speaker 4: draft Drake May, signed T Higgins and signed Curtis Samuel.
Speaker 9: I'll take it off the line.
Speaker 7: Thanks guy.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh, thanks for the call. First question to the
Speaker 2: point of of reps in practice, we don't get to
Speaker 2: watch in season practices, just like full disclosure. I don't
Speaker 2: want people to think that that we do.
Speaker 1: We get like five minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just yeah, So we don't watch in season practice.
Speaker 2: But they're from what I understand, it's not all that
Speaker 2: different than some of the camp practices that we see
Speaker 2: when they do have games, like they had that one
Speaker 2: camp practice for the Texans game where we did see
Speaker 2: some game plan periods and things like that. So it's
Speaker 2: not all that different. But I think a lot of it.
Speaker 2: You know, Rager kind of carved out his role by
Speaker 2: making plays on the scout team, and he was flashing
Speaker 2: on scout teams. So then they moved him over and said, okay,
Speaker 2: let's see what he looks like on this side of
Speaker 2: the ball with our offense. And that's how that kind
Speaker 2: of comes to fruition. So there's snaps, like there's reps.
Speaker 2: It's not like he's out there with the starters and
Speaker 2: playing poorly. They want to see her. You running routes
Speaker 2: with the effort. Are you Runningchris sproutch You're making the
Speaker 2: right reads, the effort this and that. You do that
Speaker 2: on the scout team, and then that's how you get
Speaker 2: moved up.
Speaker 1: So I don't know how many reps Kishon Booty is
Speaker 1: getting with the starters, but that's not how the reps
Speaker 1: with the starters are what we're talking about here. We're
Speaker 1: talking about on the scout team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so we got three more calls and try
Speaker 2: to get through these pretty quickly. So because I want
Speaker 2: to talk a little bit, Commander, Yeah, Cassandra is in Maine.
Speaker 2: What's up, Cassandra?
Speaker 8: Hey guys, all right, so I'm a bit of a
Speaker 8: bitter fan right now. I'm going to go on a
Speaker 8: little mini tangent. I don't understand why everybody wants Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 1: To come back.
Speaker 8: In my opinion, he is part of the reason why
Speaker 8: the Patriots are horrible right now. He took so many coaches,
Speaker 8: players and everybody over to the Vegas Raiders. He's not
Speaker 8: a good head coach. I feel like he should just
Speaker 8: never set foot in New England again. But that's just
Speaker 8: my opinion, and I mut know what you guys were
Speaker 8: thinking about it.
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Cassandra, and I don't hope. I
Speaker 2: always like it when we get we get female callers.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: IM glad that we have some female listeners out there
Speaker 2: because I know we get pretty nerdy on this show.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's not it might you know. I
Speaker 2: always know that. My mom and Jess like sometimes try
Speaker 2: to listen to the show and they're just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, you guys are just you
Speaker 2: guys are just being geeks. Uh anyways, Uh okay, the
Speaker 2: uh that that I hurt You're feelings, I know.
Speaker 1: Just whatever that all was, I don't know that you
Speaker 1: said that was just a lot of words, okay. Uh anyways,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, iball.
Speaker 2: I know, Yeah that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I agree
Speaker 2: hundred percent. Uh, Cassandra, I hear what you're saying. And
Speaker 2: I understand the the coaching staff thing is interesting and
Speaker 2: I would love to know, you know, truth Serum Bill
Speaker 2: or feel like we have a lot of things to
Speaker 2: ask true Sierram Bill these days, but true Serum Bill, Like,
Speaker 2: was he on did he did that hurt his feelings?
Speaker 3: That? Like?
Speaker 1: Is that okay that he did that?
Speaker 2: Like with McDaniels with the coaching staff, right, like, well,
Speaker 2: it seemed like that was something that was discussed between
Speaker 2: the two of that. But I can't imagine gutting the
Speaker 2: entire coaching staff was really what Bill had in mind.
Speaker 1: No, And remember because Nick Cayley was the one guy
Speaker 1: that couldn't leave. So yeah, clearly Bill put his foot
Speaker 1: down somewhere. But I go back to the piece from
Speaker 1: the HBO document with Bill Belichick and Nick Saban where
Speaker 1: they talk about we have a role when you get
Speaker 1: when you go run your own program, You run your
Speaker 1: own program, you don't cut our program. And let's not
Speaker 1: say he can't take a guy or two, but he
Speaker 1: took the entire offensive staff but one guy, yeah, most
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like and Troy, he didn't take care of Vinnie,
Speaker 2: but he so he took Lombardy. He took a heart
Speaker 2: degree and he took carm Brisilla.
Speaker 1: Vinnie wasn't like really on this, like he was an
Speaker 1: assistant running because the guy's position coach level and higher. Right,
Speaker 1: he took.
Speaker 2: But I think it's a I agree with Cassandra in
Speaker 2: one hundred percent about it being a huge factor as
Speaker 2: to why the last two years have been a disaster.
Speaker 1: Oh it's it's if if the the you know that
Speaker 1: meme where it's like the the little brick and the
Speaker 1: guy pushes it and then there's the big brick at
Speaker 1: the end. Uh. John Gruen doesn't send that email. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who knows where the Patriots are at right now? Geez,
Speaker 1: because because I don't know that anybody else was hiring
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels. They're Raiders. It was a unique situation. And
Speaker 1: if if Josh McDaniels doesn't get that job, if the
Speaker 1: Patriots won a Super Bowl with Mac Jones, I don't
Speaker 1: think so. But I don't think we're sitting here talking
Speaker 1: about Drake Man Kayle Williams either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so, I mean they you know, we talk
Speaker 2: a lot about the quarterback development, what about the offensive
Speaker 2: line development? Like what is what does Cole Strange look
Speaker 2: like now if Carl Brisilla has been his line coast
Speaker 2: the whole time. I really, I've said this yesterday on PU.
Speaker 2: I think car Brisilla is a really really good.
Speaker 1: Line And let's not forget he was in terms of
Speaker 1: like degrees of separation. He worked directly with Dante Scarnekia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was the last, the last him and Pop and
Speaker 1: Pop who's now with the Texans. Yeah, so you were
Speaker 1: removed from that Dante and Matt Patricia comes in and
Speaker 1: changes bro. Now Adrian Clem played for Scars, so you
Speaker 1: know its exactly. Players have said that there's some similarities there,
Speaker 1: but it's all the domino of system. They just have
Speaker 1: to coach it. The domino effect, the butterfly effect of
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels leaving is I don't think we'll ever truly understand.
Speaker 1: We won't because we don't know that. There's no way
Speaker 1: to know. I would say the reason people wanted to
Speaker 1: come back, speaking for somebody who's interested by it, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't need it. But one there's that thing of
Speaker 1: if they if Mayo is the next guy or a
Speaker 1: defensive head coach. I like the idea that you have
Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator that's not going anywhere. I think there
Speaker 1: is value in that has to happen. I also think
Speaker 1: even some of the great offensive minds developing a young
Speaker 1: quarterback is its own thing independent of that. And Josh
Speaker 1: McDaniels got a really good Rooki year at a mac
Speaker 1: Jones and Aidan O'Connell doesn't look bad either, for whatever
Speaker 1: that's worth. So this is a guy that can work
Speaker 1: with young quarterbacks. And there's like can not.
Speaker 2: To mention, like, you know, Jimmy G and Jacoby Present.
Speaker 1: He made he made people think Jimmy G was a
Speaker 1: starting NFL quarterback ten years ago. He might have been
Speaker 1: before all the injuries. To be fair, well, the injuries
Speaker 1: are part of it. Anyway, we don't need to revisit
Speaker 1: that one. The point being that would be the argument again,
Speaker 1: I don't need it if they were to bring in
Speaker 1: a guy like a Ben Johnson who's worked with who's
Speaker 1: worked and developed a young quarterback, or guy like Eric
Speaker 1: Banemy who was there with Patrick, he was there with
Speaker 1: Mahomes from the beginning. Right Yeah, Okay, now we're talking.
Speaker 1: If they want to go out and get a guy
Speaker 1: like who's never and I'm trying to think of an
Speaker 1: example on a blanket. But if they were to go
Speaker 1: with like a college coach, and I know every college
Speaker 1: coach all they do is develop young quarterbacks, it's different.
Speaker 1: It's different taking a high school than a college game
Speaker 1: than a college kid to the NFL game. Having a
Speaker 1: guy who's developed an NFL quarterback before, like Josh McDaniels,
Speaker 1: there's value there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. Uh, Patty is an agon. What's up, Patty?
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 10: Guys? Hey, Hey, I get stuck with the line three,
Speaker 10: which is bad all the time.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had I had a thought yesterday and I
Speaker 2: wanted to get your guys opinion on it.
Speaker 10: So you guys were talking about cash spending the other
Speaker 10: day on c U Evan and budgets, and I was,
Speaker 10: and I had a thought in my head that, you know,
Speaker 10: maybe Craft does get Belichick like a certain amount that
Speaker 10: he has to spend every year and he's not to
Speaker 10: go over it. And and then I thought, well, that
Speaker 10: kind of doesn't make sense, because I mean, you know,
Speaker 10: when he bought the Patriots, he was scared to tell
Speaker 10: my Rusk that he for the amount of money that
Speaker 10: he paid for him, I think if he's the only
Speaker 10: owner to correct me if I'm wrong, But I think
Speaker 10: he's the only owner to privately fund his own stadium,
Speaker 10: so I don't think there's a problem spending money there.
Speaker 10: So I guess he broad question is if you had
Speaker 10: to blame one of the two craft get Belichick on
Speaker 10: not spending money on bringing in good players who would
Speaker 10: have been Because to me, I'm taking Belichick, you know,
Speaker 10: I think I think Kraft gives them the green life
Speaker 10: to spend the money, and he's he's just to uh
Speaker 10: prodgity or just stuck in his ways to do it,
Speaker 10: and that's I'll take. I'll take the answer off.
Speaker 2: Thanks, Patty. Look, I I'll tell you right now, this
Speaker 2: is the biggest mystery with this team is who's responsible
Speaker 2: for the fact that they're thirtieth in cash spinning? Is
Speaker 2: it the owner or is that just the way the
Speaker 2: coach wants to run it?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Like I, I wish we could give you a straight answer,
Speaker 2: but I almost don't feel comfortable picking a side because
Speaker 2: nobody knows. Nobody truly knows who's responsible for it. If
Speaker 2: I had to pick a side, I'd actually go right
Speaker 2: down the middle. I would say that they're both in
Speaker 2: line with the fact that you look at these these
Speaker 2: teams spend at three hundred million dollars, they don't need
Speaker 2: to do this, like you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: I think that they Bill believes that they can cut
Speaker 2: corners and Craft is happy to cut corners because obviously
Speaker 2: he makes more money that way, and so that they
Speaker 2: I believe that they are aligned on this issue.
Speaker 1: I would say this was the adjective that was used
Speaker 1: for Bill Belichick's extension, lucrative.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So you think it's because Bill makes
Speaker 2: so much money?
Speaker 1: Uh well, I guess it's glass half full, glass half empty.
Speaker 1: It's it's you could either look at that, as you know,
Speaker 1: Bill makes so much money, so Kraft feels like he's
Speaker 1: spending on the investing more of the coach. You shouldn't
Speaker 1: have to invest more in the players. Or would a
Speaker 1: guy that's you know, cheap and air quotes pay a
Speaker 1: coach that much money? Yeah? So, and that that could
Speaker 1: be open for interm I leaned the second way.
Speaker 2: So we did get an email, and I'll leave it alone.
Speaker 2: But okay, not the second part, Like you don't need
Speaker 2: to do the snark part of the email, right, Like.
Speaker 1: I just don't want to see it.
Speaker 2: Just just like make the point that you want to make. Curious,
Speaker 2: Like we talk a lot, like we have, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of discussion we do, like eight hours a week
Speaker 2: of radio on Patriots dot com. Like, just just save
Speaker 2: your snark, right, Like, Okay, So we're talking yesterday about
Speaker 2: this whole issue, and I brought up, you know, the
Speaker 2: easiest way to move money around in the NFL is
Speaker 2: to confirm base salary into signing bonus, right.
Speaker 1: And the Patriots really don't do that.
Speaker 2: A whole lot. They do, but they don't do a
Speaker 2: whole lot of it. They did in the Brady years
Speaker 2: because they were trying to win Super Bowls and they're
Speaker 2: maxing out their caps basically a little bit. They've never
Speaker 2: done it as much as teams that spend a lot
Speaker 2: of money on the roster do. And this guy's saying,
Speaker 2: you know that that money eventually hits the cap. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all the money eventually hits the cap. The only point
Speaker 2: that I was trying to make is in the short term.
Speaker 2: That's that's a way to create cap space in the
Speaker 2: immediate short term, okay, and it pro rates over the
Speaker 2: life of the contract, so you're basically adding a little
Speaker 2: bit here and a little bit there to each year.
Speaker 2: I think they did this with with John Neus Smith,
Speaker 2: and I believe they did this with Judon to an
Speaker 2: extent as well. They've done it in the past with
Speaker 2: a couple of other guys. The point being, though, is
Speaker 2: that if you're willing to dole out the cash, not
Speaker 2: the cap, the cash, you can buy your way into anything.
Speaker 1: So that's people always say, oh, the restructuring of the contract.
Speaker 1: Why doesn't you know every team do that? Because that
Speaker 1: you got to write a player check on the spot, right.
Speaker 2: It's you know, Fred made the point of it's real
Speaker 2: time cash flow, right, and some owners have a lot
Speaker 2: more real time cash than other owners.
Speaker 1: And people forget about that. Like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you saw what happened in baseball this weekend, Evan with
Speaker 1: the San Diego Padres. They had to take out a
Speaker 1: loan for like fifty million dollars. They spent a lot
Speaker 1: of money, they did, and baseball is different, there's no cap,
Speaker 1: but they'd take out a loan for fifty million dollars
Speaker 1: because they they couldn't pay the players. Like playing it
Speaker 1: simple and a couple of years ago the Raiders, there
Speaker 1: was an issue where they had all this cap space
Speaker 1: and people were saying, why aren't they signing anybody? And
Speaker 1: there was a report that basically have no money. They
Speaker 1: didn't have the cash on hand to give guys signing bonuses.
Speaker 1: They had the cap space, but they didn't have the
Speaker 1: actual cash. So it is the thing that had like,
Speaker 1: we don't think about that, but it is a thing
Speaker 1: that happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that that's that's definitely part of it. But
Speaker 2: the only point that I was trying to make was
Speaker 2: that the signing bonuses into you know, base salary in
Speaker 2: the signing bonus conversions make a mediate cap space. Yes,
Speaker 2: And the thing is is that, oh, a lot of
Speaker 2: teams and I really want to get to the commander,
Speaker 2: so I don't want to go too long on this.
Speaker 2: A lot of teams do some more calls to h Yeah,
Speaker 2: and both of them are are from out of the country,
Speaker 2: which I always should take those.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we will.
Speaker 2: So a lot of teams will recognize now that outside
Speaker 2: the COVID you know, fiasco, that the cap is going
Speaker 2: up every single year. So if they move money into
Speaker 2: the future and create money in the immediate they know
Speaker 2: that they are going to be able to absorb that
Speaker 2: because the cap is just going to.
Speaker 1: Go up the d And we're getting in like economics here,
Speaker 1: which I don't really understand, but basically, a dollar of
Speaker 1: cap space in twenty twenty three, yes, is worth or
Speaker 1: is the equivalent to call it, like eighty cents in
Speaker 1: cap space correct in twenty twenty five. So the idea
Speaker 1: is we're pushing this money forward, but the money's not
Speaker 1: worth as much or did they hit you know, relatively
Speaker 1: or to scale, eight million dollars is a bigger an
Speaker 1: eight million dollar cap hit in terms of percentage of
Speaker 1: the cap is a bigger hit in twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: versus if you take it in twenty twenty five. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of the idea behind the Void years too. Yep.
Speaker 2: So, and that's another And the Patriots hardly ever used
Speaker 2: void well, everybody kind of stopped using it. No, a
Speaker 2: lot of the Eagles used tons of void years. I
Speaker 2: like the restructuring better than the Void years. The voy
Speaker 2: years well, but but the Void years restructuring doesn't create
Speaker 2: as much.
Speaker 1: Compt But here here's what I would say to all
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, I think and we will talk more
Speaker 1: about this in the offseason. You mentioned John new Smith
Speaker 1: earlier and kind of the going out and spending on
Speaker 1: players and hit this time, right. The Hunter Henry john
Speaker 1: Smith thing is interesting because they went one for two.
Speaker 1: They give out two big contracts, they went one for two.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna hit on every contract. Yeah. People throw
Speaker 1: Nelson Agler in that conversation as well. They made Nelson
Speaker 1: Aglo the twenty second highest paid receiver in football.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got about that. He was a mid level player.
Speaker 1: I think that And this is more to the fans
Speaker 1: than the team. I actually think the team understands this,
Speaker 1: just based on some moves they've made in the past.
Speaker 1: But when's the last time, you know, when team signed
Speaker 1: those big contracts, people, oh my god, there's so much money.
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous, Kirk, when's the last time one of those
Speaker 1: big contracts the player was good and we still said
Speaker 1: it was a bad contract. Never, like I said about
Speaker 1: Joe Tooney, like that was a hugere's there. There is
Speaker 1: no such thing, and people are going to lose it
Speaker 1: as some of the taste of it. So one, let's
Speaker 1: recap the NFL draft orders irrelevant, which is a bit
Speaker 1: of a stretch. So to Thatay, it's one thing you're
Speaker 1: picking twentieth, but fifty to third. I'm now going to say,
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as a bad contract in the NFL.
Speaker 1: It's just bad players. If the player plays well over
Speaker 1: the course of the contract, it's not gonna look that bad.
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, Oh my god, fifty million a year? Are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? That's unheard of? What was he now
Speaker 1: like the eighth highest paid player quarterback in football? Was
Speaker 1: anybody mad about Patrick Mahomes' comment?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: But there, How are the Chiefs gonna gonna stomach that
Speaker 1: they're not gonna be able to get another fifty two players.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna be able to afford it the high
Speaker 1: quarterback football.
Speaker 2: That part of it, like people that still believe that,
Speaker 2: you know, Brady had to take last to spread the money,
Speaker 2: like you you must still believe in Santa Claus like that.
Speaker 2: That part of it is just not like that's been
Speaker 2: proven over and over and over again really quickly. On
Speaker 2: the void years thing, though, U so void years. I
Speaker 2: think the one thing about void years is is that
Speaker 2: that that you don't risk much of the bill coming
Speaker 2: do in that sense, if you just re up the
Speaker 2: player before the contract void.
Speaker 1: That's true, there's I don't.
Speaker 2: So that's the thing is like, if you're if you
Speaker 2: tack on void years to a really really good players contract,
Speaker 2: like a young, really good player.
Speaker 1: You gotta do it for young player. You can't do
Speaker 1: it for older players you might retire. Well, they did
Speaker 1: that with mccordy. But the reason why is because they
Speaker 1: were going year to year with Devin so they knew
Speaker 1: that they were going to get the contract done for
Speaker 1: the next year if he was coming back before the
Speaker 1: contract where the yea. So if you're like, let's, for example,
Speaker 1: just use the Cincinnati Bengals, because I think they had
Speaker 1: they're a good example right now, if they were to
Speaker 1: tack void years onto Joe Burrow's contract to space out
Speaker 1: the cap hits, right, and to space out the cap
Speaker 1: dollars in five years when Joe Burrow's contract expires, they're
Speaker 1: re signing Joe Burrow right, Like, he's not hitting the
Speaker 1: open market, so the contract is never gonna avoid So
Speaker 1: now the can just kicks gets kicked down the road again, right,
Speaker 1: And that's the whole thing is like everybody always says
Speaker 1: to me, like the bill, the bill eventually comes due.
Speaker 1: And I always use the same analogy, like it's not
Speaker 1: like some you know, bully is coming to collect, Like
Speaker 1: nobody's coming to collect. It's never collected. As long as
Speaker 1: you continue to manage it. That's basically where it comes to.
Speaker 1: You have to constantly manage it. And that's kind of
Speaker 1: what the people point to the Rams as the example. Right,
Speaker 1: they had to tear down their roster. They didn't manage it.
Speaker 1: They just signed all these they went all in, heavily
Speaker 1: loaded future deals and then let them all hit the
Speaker 1: cap at once.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that you can do. They paid for a
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, right, and they won?
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Tim is in Sydney, Australia. What's up, Tim?
Speaker 3: What's happening on fellow?
Speaker 1: What time is it there? Yeah? Right?
Speaker 3: Uh quarter to three in the morning.
Speaker 1: I love that, Tim, That's awesome. Let's go m That's
Speaker 1: what I want to hear.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, So I've got I've got Madden on the
Speaker 3: PlayStation and I've got you guys on the phone.
Speaker 1: Yes are you?
Speaker 2: Are you just best friend? Like, go ahead a night.
Speaker 2: What do you got.
Speaker 10: So?
Speaker 3: I've got a stull names for you all right before
Speaker 3: you agents at the end of the Sea. I heard
Speaker 3: you mentioned Higgins before. What do you reckon Mike, Kevin,
Speaker 3: Quise Brown, Calvin Ridley, Michael Pittman, Ate Davis kJ Osborne,
Speaker 3: Tyler Boy. If they don't sign, if they don't really
Speaker 3: sign with their team, who gives us the best chance
Speaker 3: going forward?
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Tim, and thanks for staying up to listen.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. So I think so Calvin Ridley's a
Speaker 2: free agent. I didn't realize that.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I think that he's probably the best fit for them,
Speaker 2: but my guess is that he remains in Jackson.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm not a big I I like Pittman as
Speaker 2: a player, not not a big fit guy for Pittman,
Speaker 2: I worry about big body X receiver. I in some
Speaker 2: ways like I just don't love that fit. And I
Speaker 2: think that T. Higgins is just a better player, so
Speaker 2: he might transcend.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so I would say that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of Mike. Evan has been really impressive this year. He
Speaker 1: had every reason to tap out and he's been awesome.
Speaker 1: And if he can beat I don't know that I'd
Speaker 1: give him five years. But if they are gonna do
Speaker 1: the thing of we're gonna bring back mac Jones back
Speaker 1: on the last year and really see what we can do.
Speaker 1: Mike Evans on like a two or three year deal
Speaker 1: would make sense. I I could get into Mike Evans,
Speaker 1: the sneaky interest name he put in there, and he
Speaker 1: kind of snuck it at the end. Yeah. I like
Speaker 1: Tyler Boyd for them. He's older, he's yeah, Tyler Boyd,
Speaker 1: he's like thirty. I don't think so he is, he's
Speaker 1: twenty eight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of I feel like there's not
Speaker 2: you know, he's had a lot of.
Speaker 1: Money, he's got he he reminds me a lot of
Speaker 1: Jacobe Myers. Yeah, in that sense. And if if they like,
Speaker 1: let's say they found a way to move on from
Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster, but they still want that kind of player. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think you taught you signed Tyler Boyd and
Speaker 1: your wide receiver room is fixed. But if it was
Speaker 1: like Mike Evans and Tyler Boyd.
Speaker 2: Okay, So let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kendrick Bourne or Tyler Boyd ken Uh, it's tough
Speaker 1: because of the knee fully healthy Kendrick Bourne.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that that that's the player.
Speaker 1: So if if you feel like like Kendrick Bourne's knee, like,
Speaker 1: isn't there if they were to come out with Mike
Speaker 1: Evans Tyler Boyd to Mario Douglas. Yeah, it's a good
Speaker 1: group's good.
Speaker 2: I'd rather go younger, like I'd rather just pay for T. Higgins,
Speaker 2: but I it's not money, so I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also just well this is more. It's like
Speaker 1: the second signing, Like, I don't think you're not signing
Speaker 1: Tyler Boyd instead of T Higgins. You're signing Mike Evans,
Speaker 1: in said of T Higgins in this situation, we got one.
Speaker 2: We're calling and I want to get going here. Claire
Speaker 2: is in the UK. What's up Claire?
Speaker 11: Hi? Then Marine, I thought i'd ring in because you
Speaker 11: were complaining that you didn't have women callers.
Speaker 1: I know, objective question. We got to ask now that
Speaker 1: what time is it there?
Speaker 11: Oh, I see, I'm not I can't be as good.
Speaker 8: It's only like a quarter to four in the afternoon.
Speaker 8: So it's really nothing special here.
Speaker 1: That's so cool. I mean three in the morning.
Speaker 8: It's yeah, I can't get the accolades that he has.
Speaker 8: I can't complete it's it's just the afternoon.
Speaker 11: What you got wellpecially Evan, thank you very much for
Speaker 11: doing a clip yesterday. Of course on the battle that
Speaker 11: I did send an email in because he seems really
Speaker 11: appointed that I didn't have a tight in his question.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 5: Obviously I've thought of.
Speaker 8: One, so I tried to drop an email, but with
Speaker 8: the time and stuff, I thought i'd give you a.
Speaker 10: Quick call it, especially after you sort of seem to want.
Speaker 8: Female callers do. Whilst Brown is quickly becoming a steal
Speaker 8: for the pages and like his skill set is evolving
Speaker 8: and I am really quite.
Speaker 5: Excited by him.
Speaker 11: How can the Patriots utilize slash news GISECI more.
Speaker 8: Than they are now?
Speaker 11: What is their key? Tell them?
Speaker 8: Because I was ecstatic by the signing going into the season,
Speaker 8: and as you know, I just really want to see
Speaker 8: him more.
Speaker 11: So I'll take it off there.
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, great, Thanks Claire, appreciate it. Thanks for the car.
Speaker 2: So what I have liked about the usage with Kisiki
Speaker 2: and the tight ends, and I should mention Pharaoh Brown
Speaker 2: didn't practice yesterday with a back injury.
Speaker 1: So this receiver best tight end Football Corner PFF qualifiers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this might be moot, but what I do like
Speaker 2: about what they've been doing is when they've been playing
Speaker 2: twelve you know, two tight ends on the field at
Speaker 2: the same time. It's been Pharaoh Brown as the inline
Speaker 2: guy with Gasiki or Henry instead of Gaziki and Henry
Speaker 2: together because clearly those two guys can't block together, right,
Speaker 2: It's just two weaker blockers on the field at the
Speaker 2: same time and it's not gonna work. So Pharaoh Brown
Speaker 2: is now out there as like the hand in the
Speaker 2: dirt inline guy that allows them to use Kasiki and
Speaker 2: Henry as more of the detached, you know, move piece
Speaker 2: at tight end, which I really like in terms of
Speaker 2: Kasiki specifically, Well, one, if they need to get in
Speaker 2: the red zone, because that's like, let's get the ball
Speaker 2: into the red zone and actually use his zone threat, yeah,
Speaker 2: like they did against Buffalo to win the game. You know,
Speaker 2: that would be a step one, step two. I think
Speaker 2: what it has been disappointing is the lack of like
Speaker 2: seam and crossers. Tokaiki Gasiki is not He's not like
Speaker 2: a sudden route runner, like he's not like a guy
Speaker 2: that's gonna break you down and make moves at the
Speaker 2: top of the route to get open. He's a straight line,
Speaker 2: speed like explosive type of tight end and then obviously
Speaker 2: you know he's above the rim, so I would you know,
Speaker 2: I was really hoping, and I think we saw it
Speaker 2: a little bit in camp, don't you feel like we did,
Speaker 2: like the seam shots and things like.
Speaker 1: That, so we thought I was Remember we had the
Speaker 1: whole conversation about who's going to stretch the field and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And they just haven't really gotten into that very much.
Speaker 2: So that's what I would like to see. More Gaziki
Speaker 2: up the seam, a play action and then have him
Speaker 2: be the guy that's like running behind the linebackers, whether
Speaker 2: it's up the seam it's a crossing route, because I
Speaker 2: think he's the fastest guy of the three, and I
Speaker 2: think he's probably the best guy.
Speaker 1: Well I don't know.
Speaker 2: I take back best guy after the catch because Farah
Speaker 2: Brown has just been an app you can't tackle, you
Speaker 2: just have to hold on for dear life and wait
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I won't say that, but he's definitely the
Speaker 2: most explosive in a straight line before the catch shout
Speaker 2: out of any of these guys. So that stretched the
Speaker 2: field a little bit with Kasiki, That's where I would
Speaker 2: go with that. So we have ten minutes. I wanted
Speaker 2: to do almost twenty minutes on the Commander, so we
Speaker 2: have to condense this to ten minutes. So I have
Speaker 2: two things about the Commanders I want to talk about
Speaker 2: in terms of this game and in terms of the
Speaker 2: big picture. H you want to start offense defense? Which
Speaker 2: one offense for Patriots are? Sorry, oh, I don't know,
Speaker 2: pick one man? Okay, offense for the Commanders. I really
Speaker 2: really like Eric Bienemy. I like what he's dialing up.
Speaker 2: Sam Howl. Sam Howe stinks. Okay, he's not very good.
Speaker 2: Sam how holds the ball forever. Uh, he can't. Every
Speaker 2: time you move him off his spot and he has
Speaker 2: to reset and throw the ball goes all over the
Speaker 2: place like he's like there's like wide open wide receivers
Speaker 2: down the field and they're like digging out grounders because
Speaker 2: he all because he had to move a little bit
Speaker 2: to his left right. So Sam Hel's not very good.
Speaker 2: Their offense statistically is not very good. They're like twenty
Speaker 2: six in the league in DVA. I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: tell you that he's like turning, you know, water into
Speaker 2: wine completely, but he's brought the Andy Reid playbook to Washington,
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of fun scheme stuff going on
Speaker 2: in Washington right now. And their receivers are actually pretty good.
Speaker 2: Like I think Terry McLaurin and Johan Dotson can play.
Speaker 2: Logan Thomas is a decent receiving tight end. I had
Speaker 2: some person, Samuel had some sneaky fun watching this Commander's offense.
Speaker 2: They do a lot of things that put defenses in
Speaker 2: binds from a pass game perspective. And they chuck it, man.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're they're first in the league and dropbacks
Speaker 2: they're fourth in the league and early down pass rate.
Speaker 2: They throw the ball and they throw it a lot,
Speaker 2: and I like that, you know, I like that. That's
Speaker 2: an analytics thing.
Speaker 1: And what's what's really interesting about it is they have
Speaker 1: five players with more than twenty catches and eight players
Speaker 1: more with more one hundred yards this season. They're spreading
Speaker 1: that thing out. It's not I mean, and Bill kind
Speaker 1: of talked about this yesterday when we were asking about
Speaker 1: mclarty's Like, mclaurin's good, but they'll get the ball to
Speaker 1: the other guys too. This is not an offense that's
Speaker 1: funneled through one spot. Yeah, and that for a team
Speaker 1: that has the injuries on defense like the Patriots, specially
Speaker 1: in the second area, that can be tough. Everybody's got
Speaker 1: to show up. You're gonna need Jack Jones in this game.
Speaker 1: You're gonna need John Jones in this game. Yeah, You're
Speaker 1: gonna need whoever the third corner ends up at jac
Speaker 1: Jackson in this game.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just blanked on that. So I'm across the board.
Speaker 2: I'm worried about this game from a from that standpoint
Speaker 2: because a defensively for the Patriots, that the enemy is
Speaker 2: running the system that the Eagles beat the Patriots with
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl, that the Chiefs always put points
Speaker 2: up against the Patriots with, whether it was Nick Foles,
Speaker 2: Alex Smith, Patrick Mahomes, you name it. That that Andy
Speaker 2: Reid Tree is it was able to find winners against
Speaker 2: the Patriots, and that that's the thing is like I
Speaker 2: think when you say oh with the Chiefs, like obviously
Speaker 2: they gave up points to Patrick Mahomes, I mean, big whoop.
Speaker 2: But like Nick Foles also went up and down the
Speaker 2: field on he in the Super Bowl, right, So this
Speaker 2: is a defense that or an offense. Excuse me, that
Speaker 2: Eric b enemy is gonna I think call the game
Speaker 2: a lot like those past games, and he's gonna have
Speaker 2: all those beaters ready to go. They run a lot
Speaker 2: of mesh, which Josh McDaniels did against in in that
Speaker 2: Raiders game. He had, you know, Michael Mayer running wide
Speaker 2: open away from man coverage.
Speaker 1: Like there.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be some problems that they're gonna present for
Speaker 2: the Patriots defensively. And I think if you're the Patriots defense,
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to do some things that b en
Speaker 2: Me is not expecting you to do from a coverage standpoint,
Speaker 2: like if you just sit in man coverage here or
Speaker 2: a post safety zone the whole game. He's gonna have
Speaker 2: all that crap ready to go, like wheel routes to
Speaker 2: the running backs, mesh, you know, flooding the deep part
Speaker 2: of Cover three like that. That's what that team does.
Speaker 2: That's what that that offense does. That scheme has done
Speaker 2: against the Patriots, And and the Pats are gonna be
Speaker 2: in trouble if they just run it basic and they're
Speaker 2: gonna have to uh hie, Paul uh, They're gonna have
Speaker 2: to do They're gonna have to do it differently. I
Speaker 2: think Maybeards maybe do a little bit differently we do.
Speaker 2: We argue about that enough on PU on the other
Speaker 2: side of the oh, really quickly, on b enemy next.
Speaker 1: Head coach, he'd be on my short list. He'd be
Speaker 1: mind to the external guys for me? Are I know,
Speaker 1: for Abel's like not super realistic, but yeah him. I
Speaker 1: don't know if n Me's realistic either, Ben Ben Johnson,
Speaker 1: Eric b Me. That's like off those would be the
Speaker 1: top three guys off the top of my head.
Speaker 2: I would I would be really cool with Eric bne
Speaker 2: Me be here if that was the way they went.
Speaker 1: Now is it realistic?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 1: You know? No, not really, but I'd be cool. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll say this, if there is an argument for happening.
Speaker 1: Clearly teams aren't over the top about hiring him for
Speaker 1: reasons that you know are out there. But it's maybe
Speaker 1: Washington changes it and he is more of a market
Speaker 1: than he did in the past. But he clearly hadn't
Speaker 1: had much of a head coaching market, So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, look like I said, I don't he should
Speaker 1: have a market, but he does it. If no other
Speaker 1: team wants him, it's like great, fine take him here.
Speaker 2: Then yeah, like I said, statistically, their offense is not
Speaker 2: anything special. But when you watch the film and you
Speaker 2: watch the scheme and you watch the conflict, and then
Speaker 2: you also watch you know, how he's made Sam Howell like, Okay,
Speaker 2: well that would.
Speaker 1: Be the thing you say, it's not statistically exceptional. What
Speaker 1: happens if you put in an upgrade over Sam Howe?
Speaker 1: Right quarterbacks?
Speaker 2: Oh I R thing can pull that off, which I
Speaker 2: think they're going to try to because they just traded
Speaker 2: their two best.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be When I said before, like, you know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter where you're picking. If you want the
Speaker 1: guy at three, you move up, you take them three,
Speaker 1: they are gonna be one of the teams that's doing that.
Speaker 2: Drake may and that offense would be would be something
Speaker 2: that would be something Williams and that offensive. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: that eleven to one is like like if that's where
Speaker 2: they're picking, and now maybe the bottom falls out because
Speaker 2: they traded those guys, but or.
Speaker 1: Maybe Caleb Williams stock keeps falling. Yeah, I'm saying like,
Speaker 1: if I'm Caleb Williams, that's where I want to go
Speaker 1: because that's the cop. Yeah, that's the cop is Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes And and and if I'm bim me if he
Speaker 1: falls beyond one, I'm clamoring to get up to two togain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, all right, really quickly. On the Commander's defense, obviously,
Speaker 2: they just traded their two best edge rushers and.
Speaker 1: They still have two of the best defensive front players
Speaker 1: in the league. So that's where I was going.
Speaker 2: Uh, this game from that point of view, Uh, Doron
Speaker 2: Payne and Jonathan Allen petrify b in this game. Uh,
Speaker 2: Jonathan Allen against Cole Strange is a mighty mismatch, a huge,
Speaker 2: huge mismatch in the Commander's favor. And Uh, that one
Speaker 2: concerns me because those two guys are also more like
Speaker 2: power long physical players, like they're not necessarily get off guys,
Speaker 2: like they're more like pushed the pocket and compress the
Speaker 2: pocket guys. I I am trying hard to find a
Speaker 2: world where Mac Jones doesn't have Jonathan Allen in his
Speaker 2: lap the entire game. Like, I just I don't really
Speaker 2: see how that doesn't happen, So that that's troubling. We
Speaker 2: had an emailer that email did and said, like, maybe
Speaker 2: this is a game where on when it was actually
Speaker 2: better off at guard just because of that matchup, and
Speaker 2: like you, you know, I'm not as worried about the tackles.
Speaker 2: My guess is or you know, the ends. My guess
Speaker 2: is that they'll probably stick to the continuity and try
Speaker 2: to keep building with tackle. But it sound reasoning because
Speaker 2: that's where they're in trouble in this matchup. I think,
Speaker 2: you know, the Commander's pass defense is like thirty first
Speaker 2: in the league. In DVA, they're like down near the
Speaker 2: bottom of the league and scoring defense, which is why
Speaker 2: they trained those guys and are kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: a boarding mission on that whole defensive line load up
Speaker 2: on the d line strategy. H Emmanuel Forbes is be
Speaker 2: benched and has been awful. A shocker.
Speaker 1: One thing that we were very right about. The thing
Speaker 1: when we consens us on a draft pick, we usually
Speaker 1: end up being right. There's not many guys that we
Speaker 1: both agreed on being a hit that weren't hits.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and soh so that that's a this past defense
Speaker 2: can be had. Yeah, And you mentioned Pop Douglas getting
Speaker 2: more attention against Miami. I think in this matchup, this
Speaker 2: is the first time I was trying to go back
Speaker 2: and remember the last time that I wrote a Patriots
Speaker 2: receiver in key matchups having an advantage over a defense, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't even know, I can't remember the last time
Speaker 2: I thought that to my but I think Pop Douglas
Speaker 2: against the interior players, you know, the linebackers, the slot
Speaker 2: corners of the commanders is a mismatch. I think that
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas should win that matchup. But are they going
Speaker 2: to be able to keep mac Jones up?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Maybe it's so quick that it won't matter, but in
Speaker 2: retrospect it's I am very worried about Deron Payn and
Speaker 2: Jonathan Allen up the middle on this Patriots offensive. And
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a nice test for Strange, who I
Speaker 2: would admit I've kind of given up on and City. So, like,
Speaker 2: let's see if City so can hold up as well.
Speaker 2: It's a good matchup for them. It'll be fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean i'd agree with all that. I
Speaker 1: just think, again, you can put up points on this
Speaker 1: defense if somehow, if they can contain Jonathan Allen drew
Speaker 1: On pain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they should be able to move the ball. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just see if they can do it. All Right, that
Speaker 2: does it for us. Peu is up next, so don't
Speaker 2: go anywhere. We're gonna start pee you here in a
Speaker 2: few minutes, but for Alex, I'm Evan Lazar. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 2: We'll see you guys next week.
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