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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it?

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Speaker 1: Joined as always, buy our bark. Here is Evan Lazar

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Speaker 1: and Alex Barr.

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Speaker 2: It's so much easier to move forward as a football

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Speaker 2: team if you don't need to draft a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: It's so much easy. Oh yeah, no, then then Marvin

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Speaker 1: Harrison Junior is back on the table. Joel, we're on

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Speaker 1: the table, Jared Verse, if you want to go, I wouldn't,

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Speaker 1: but I think some tlor wide receivers on the table.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna like, don't know who any of these people

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Speaker 2: are tackle or wide receivers back on the table.

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Speaker 1: That that is very true.

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Speaker 2: But at two and six, we're getting to the point

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Speaker 2: where maybe we should know who these people are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all I've been trying to tell you. Are

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Speaker 1: we getting there? Trying to tell you?

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Speaker 3: Here?

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Speaker 2: Here's my thing and I I we were a text

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Speaker 2: about this last night.

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 2: Here's my thing about the draft is that if I

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Speaker 2: start looking at the draft now on November two, by April,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be so drafted. Like we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 2: the draft on this show for four straight months, but

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Speaker 2: you know, we're I don't wanna. I'm not sure yet,

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Speaker 2: so I don't want to. But there could be another

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Speaker 2: another Shrine Bowl like trip coming up for us come January.

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Speaker 2: That's a little tease. That's that's not a promise, so

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Speaker 2: don't hold me to that, but it's it's in the works.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna have plenty of draft right. It's if

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Speaker 2: I start talking about the draft now, then Lord help me.

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Speaker 1: So here's here's here's what I say to capture that.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I love how you didn't even introduce

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Speaker 1: the show. We literally just picked up I was getting there,

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Speaker 1: like a conversation we're having over text. I walked in

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Speaker 1: here and we're just rolling from that. For people who

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Speaker 1: would think that the show's in authentic or anything. You

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Speaker 1: you usually get started in like February right with the draft, as.

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Speaker 2: Soon as I give myself like a week to take

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Speaker 2: a break from watching film after the season ends, and

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Speaker 2: then so yeah, when we go into the Shrine Bowl

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Speaker 2: last year, that was my.

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Speaker 1: Start, and you're usually pretty filled in by the time

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Speaker 1: we get it to the draft. Think about how much

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Speaker 1: deeper you can get into it. Now if you start. Now.

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Speaker 2: God, I understand what you're saying, but my ahead of

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Speaker 2: the curve, I won't have the draft only goes so far,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Have me taking these victory laps on you of like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you're you just discovered this guy and it's great, I

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Speaker 1: discovered them two much you can do the uh, we

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Speaker 1: can get all the recency bias out of the way,

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Speaker 1: that's true, then we can actually talk about these guys

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Speaker 1: like on a level playing field.

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Speaker 2: I will say this though, and it is Evan Lazarre

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Speaker 2: and Alex bars here on Patriots Catch twenty two for

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Speaker 2: the next couple of hours. We have a lot of

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Speaker 2: Patriots stuff that I want to talk about, but this

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Speaker 2: is this is you know, something that's that's on both

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Speaker 2: of our minds.

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Speaker 1: Let's face it.

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Speaker 2: You know the draft and the Patriots at two and

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Speaker 2: maybe it's sixth, fifth or sixth.

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Speaker 1: Somewhere like that. And second, what never mind, it's not

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Speaker 2: No, I'm saying the draft pick that they would have.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, this is this is classic's what a start

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's the fifth pick because the Commanders

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Speaker 2: my I think it's interesting and this isn't where I

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Speaker 2: The difference in approach between the Commanders and the Patriots

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Speaker 2: the same spot, but not exactly. They have one more

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Speaker 2: win than you. Yeah, and uh, I was impressed by

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Speaker 2: how they played Philly. Now you played Philly close to

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Speaker 1: Got your Patriots, you like, you're not a team. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I does he do that? Oh yeah, that's a textbook Felger.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, okay, I haven't that. That's bad because I

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Speaker 2: I just did it again. Now you're in my head.

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Speaker 2: The Patriots did not score thirty one points against Philly.

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Speaker 2: So I have a take, and we're gonna get to

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Speaker 2: of Commander's film for you all you So I'm not

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Speaker 2: talking about the Patriots and talking about.

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Speaker 1: You're addressing the list you can call the listeners.

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Speaker 2: You that's fun, okay for all you fans and listeners

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Speaker 2: Washington Commander's football and Sam Howell, You're welcome, because let

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Speaker 2: me tell you, watching the Patriots offensive tape from Miami

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Speaker 2: Lazar Garten household. So you're welcome. You're welcome. We're doing

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Speaker 2: a service for the people. But it was to stark difference.

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Speaker 2: And we'll talk about that and talk about the twenty

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Speaker 2: little bit about Josh McDaniels, and that's where I wanted

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Speaker 2: to start because you know, I'm a McDaniels guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I like McDaniels. I think he's a really good offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 2: Obviously separate. They're two different jobs. And I know we

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Speaker 1: There are some guys that are great coordinators and that's

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Speaker 2: And that's what he is. I think he's a great

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Speaker 2: reading a lot about what went on in Vegas, uh,

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Speaker 2: the Athletic about all.

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Speaker 1: For the PFT comments or what did you see that

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Speaker 2: At first, when I was reading it, I'm not knowing McDaniels,

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Speaker 2: the very little that we know McDaniel's. I was like,

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Speaker 2: I could see him being a big Halloween guy. He's

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Speaker 2: kind of toof like, I could see that. And then

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Speaker 1: So many so many people. Yeah, I thought that was

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Speaker 2: I think that you know, reading about it, and I

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Speaker 2: sounded kind of similar, like, you know, no social media,

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Speaker 2: long meetings, long days, a lot of hours at the office,

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Speaker 2: hard practices like these are that's the Patriots, right.

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Speaker 1: We heard it about Patricia, we heard it about Joe Judge,

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Speaker 1: We heard about a lot of these guys that went elsewhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But my bigger question with McDaniel's being canned and

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Speaker 2: this relates and this I told you, this is something

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Speaker 2: I think Badard might have been the first one that

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Speaker 1: And extinct is a big word, right.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's necessarily extinct, but you look

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Speaker 2: first in scoring. I know Brian Dable and Giants are

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Speaker 2: thirty second, and he's like Patriots adjacent. There's definitely a

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Speaker 2: that he's really more McDermott Buffalo as well as Patriots.

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Speaker 2: And those three systems are thirtieth, thirty first, and thirty

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Speaker 2: my big thing about this Miami game that that was

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Speaker 2: the Buffalo game carried over. Nothing like they they didn't

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Speaker 2: execute you're talkingtically, just I'm talking execution, Okay, well, because

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Speaker 2: I'm saying like, like we still saw, like Mike when

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Speaker 2: they did against Buffalo. But on the whole, the game

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Speaker 2: of the very first play of the game in both

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Speaker 2: games is exactly the same play.

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Speaker 2: You know, like it from a play calling schematic standpoint,

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Speaker 2: exactly the same. The execution could not have been more

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Speaker 2: Jackal and Hyde and my question, and I asked Mac

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Speaker 2: on that on all of this that connects. My question

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Speaker 2: isn't necessarily is it extinct to the point where it's

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Speaker 2: no longer schematically sound, because I don't think that's the case.

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Speaker 2: I think it's still a sound system, but is it

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Speaker 2: extinct to the point where you can't execute it week

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Speaker 2: in and week out. It's inconsistent because there's so much

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Speaker 2: moving parts. Their quarterback at the line of scrimmage. Most

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Speaker 2: of the time, there's like two plays that the quarterback

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Speaker 2: alert system based off of how the defense is aligned,

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Speaker 2: Mike protections, you know, things like that. And yeah, we're

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Speaker 2: getting drilled. I don't know if people can hear that

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Speaker 2: over the air, probably, and Marine's on the case.

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Speaker 1: He he just went out to do some construction out here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's all sorts of different things, and that's just okay,

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Speaker 2: that's pre snap, right, and you know, you got to

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Speaker 2: get to put the team in the right play. And

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Speaker 2: And I'm not making excuses for the talent. I'm not

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Speaker 2: And if there's no nuance, right like, you can't have

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Speaker 1: You just have to say he stinks.

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Speaker 2: And I think that there's a lot more to it

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Speaker 1: And I think some of it is on top. Look,

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Speaker 2: Looks exactly the same like I watched The Raiders off Jones. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: They it looks like the same guy. They're both frantic

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Speaker 1: I I think that the receiver thing too, that you

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Speaker 2: lot of that inconsistency is they're just not doing things correctly,

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Speaker 2: Go into detail of exactly what that checklist is. But

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Speaker 2: I think we've given them him as long as of

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Speaker 1: I don't think he played winning No, I agree with you,

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Speaker 1: it's two maybe three. I think times running out as

435
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Speaker 1: the way to put it. I'll just kind of go

436
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Speaker 1: with what I've said before and what I said coming

437
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Speaker 1: into the season. Max's job this year better worse, regardless

438
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 1: of what the team put around him was to keep

439
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Speaker 1: them out of position of drafting his replacement. He hasn't

440
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Speaker 1: done that, and that with the rookie contract coming up,

441
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Speaker 1: why are you going to commit to a guy who

442
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Speaker 1: has you picking in the top five when you can

443
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Speaker 1: get a better prospect on and extend that rookie deal

444
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Speaker 1: out another four years as opposed to just having the

445
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Speaker 1: last year, but four or five years with the option,

446
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Speaker 1: instead of having the last year of it with the

447
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Speaker 1: option looming the summer. That was the stakes I said

448
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 1: on here, I said on the sports stop, I said everywhere.

449
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,120
Speaker 1: That was the stakes for mac Jones this year. Can

450
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Speaker 1: you make it so the team can't reasonably draft your replacement?

451
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,679
Speaker 1: And so far or some fault of his own, a

452
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 1: lot of it not at his fault, but it happened.

453
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Speaker 1: This is where they're at. Yeah.

454
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's got nine games to show me

455
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Speaker 2: that it's it's obviously the tangible thing is picking up

456
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Speaker 2: the fifth year option. Yeah, But in general, I just

457
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 2: think that he's got nine games to show me that

458
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 2: their first round pick should be on Marvin Harrison Junior

459
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Speaker 2: and not on Drake may right right like that, that's

460
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Speaker 2: that's the bottom line. And now, if he plays well

461
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Speaker 2: in the last nine games, they're probably not gonna be

462
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Speaker 2: in position to draft either. But that's kind of the point, right,

463
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Speaker 2: he's got Yeah, I agree with that.

464
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Speaker 1: Right, if they're in position to draft Drake May, they

465
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Speaker 1: should be drafting Drake May. Right, If they're not in

466
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Speaker 1: position to draft them, it means Mac probably, especially with

467
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Speaker 1: all the injuries. Now, Yeah, it's not like the defense

468
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Speaker 1: is gonna carry him, right, It's not like Max' gonna

469
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Speaker 1: be playing bad, but the defense carries them and suddenly

470
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Speaker 1: they're picking twelve, thirteen to fourteen, whatever. Yeah, everybody's hurt,

471
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Speaker 1: it's just him. Yeah, if they win enough games that

472
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Speaker 1: they're not in the top five, Mac played well, and

473
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Speaker 1: then it becomes then you can start doing the Jalen

474
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Speaker 1: Hurts thing in the second round, guys like Jayden Daniels

475
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: and JJ McCarthy. But no, where they're at right now,

476
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Speaker 1: he's not kept them out of the spot where drafting

477
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Speaker 1: his replacements unrealistic. One more take on that. It's kind

478
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Speaker 1: of related, But this is something I've been working on.

479
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Speaker 1: I'm curious your thought, I think, and I've thought this before,

480
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: but now that the Patriots are in the spot. I

481
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Speaker 1: think I've kind of flushed this. Take out a little

482
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Speaker 1: bit Moreah. The initial NFL draft order as it is

483
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Speaker 1: assigned at the end of the season is one of

484
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Speaker 1: the most overrated concepts in sports in terms of how

485
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Speaker 1: much we bowed down to the draft order. Here's my point.

486
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Speaker 1: You have a lot of people saying Patriots can't win

487
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Speaker 1: another game, they need to be drafting top three to

488
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Speaker 1: take Drake May. You need to pick in the top three.

489
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Speaker 1: You don't need to own the third pick. From the jump.

490
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Speaker 1: If you're picking fifth, you should realistic if if you

491
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Speaker 1: believe Drake mad is the guy, yes, you should be

492
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Speaker 1: able to get to third if you own the fifth pick.

493
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Speaker 2: But you're I think the problem is and I don't

494
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Speaker 2: disagree with you, and you know how I feel about

495
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Speaker 2: draft picks.

496
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Speaker 1: Right, Well, here's what i'd say. Of the twenty quarterbacks

497
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: taken in the first round in the last ten years, Yeah,

498
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: nine of them were drafted with the pick that was

499
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Speaker 1: not originally owned by that team. That includes the first

500
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Speaker 1: overall pick. I'm an idiot and didn't go through and

501
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Speaker 1: redo the numbers. Yeah, when you take out the first

502
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Speaker 1: overall pick, Yeah, more than half of the quarterbacks drafted

503
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Speaker 1: in the top ten were not drafted with the draft

504
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: pick originally owned by the team. Okay, you move around

505
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: the board to get a quarterback. It's the price of

506
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Speaker 1: doing business in the NFL. Okay, So I don't disagree

507
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Speaker 1: with the take. Yeah, I think he does. That's yeah, okay.

508
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Speaker 1: I So I think that's where people are concerned, is well,

509
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: is he going to be the one making that suit?

510
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: Who knows?

511
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Speaker 2: And this is why I tell you all the time

512
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Speaker 2: that I can't get into the draft yet because if

513
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Speaker 2: I don't know whose offense I'm drafting the player for.

514
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Speaker 1: That's fair. But if you're drafting a quarterback, aren't you

515
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Speaker 1: drafting the quarterback and then sort of dictating the offense?

516
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Speaker 2: Uh?

517
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Speaker 1: Not them? Well, if you're changing the offense, it's not

518
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Speaker 1: going to be them, I hear you.

519
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 2: But if if this is the regime that's the one

520
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: that's taken the quarterback, that quarterback is gonna play the

521
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien offense like that, that's the bottom line, Like

522
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Speaker 2: you're gonna fit into the Bill O'Brien offense. If Bill

523
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Speaker 2: O'Brien goes and takes a job at Michigan State, you're

524
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 2: gonna be fitting into the Josh McDaniels offense, right, Like,

525
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 2: that's just the way it's gonna go. And I think

526
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Speaker 2: the concern that people have that our team tank or

527
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Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, or are looking at

528
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Speaker 2: draft position, is that we don't have a whole lot

529
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Speaker 2: of precedent of Bill Belichick trading up in the draft,

530
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Speaker 2: not to mention trading a king's ransom up to get

531
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Speaker 2: the go from five to two to draft Drake May

532
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Speaker 2: when it could take future picks and all this all,

533
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Speaker 2: you know, this entire boatload of picks to do it.

534
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Speaker 2: I think people are concerned that he will never do

535
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Speaker 2: something like that. So if you don't have the second

536
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Speaker 2: overall pick, you don't own the pick, then you're not

537
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Speaker 2: gonna get there.

538
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Speaker 1: But a lot of people would probably look at it

539
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Speaker 1: and safe, he's picking second, he's gonna trade back anyway. Yeah,

540
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Speaker 1: so I would. It's more an overarching shit take. Again,

541
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Speaker 1: we haven't talked about it in context in the Patriots

542
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: in our lifetimes. Yeah, but it's just people who, oh, no,

543
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: they fell from the fourth pick to the fifth pick.

544
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: I can't believe that happened. If you really believe in

545
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: the guy and this is just a blanket NFL statement.

546
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: If you believe Drake may is the next twenty years

547
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: of your franchise, there's not too much you can give up. Yeah,

548
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: you should be going up and getting that pick, period,

549
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: full style. If you don't believe he's the guy, don't

550
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: do it just to draft them. And the same could

551
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Speaker 1: be said for Caleb Williams, same could be said for

552
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Speaker 1: Michael Pennox, for any of these guys. But if you

553
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Speaker 1: believe the guy's the guy, you go up and get him.

554
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I no, I agree. I mean, I think that's

555
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: how a lot of teams feel. But that's this team.

556
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Speaker 2: The numbers support that. The number support, especially at the

557
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Speaker 2: quarterback position. Maybe at other positions it's a little different,

558
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 2: there's more wiggle room. But at the quarterback position, you're

559
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Speaker 2: picking fifth. You shouldn't be sitting there saying, well, he's

560
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 2: gonna go fourth, so I guess we're screwed. Yeah, it

561
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: shouldn't happen that way. Yeah, all right, three up, three down.

562
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: I did I did have some I did have some ups.

563
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 2: They're all on the defensive side of the ball, so

564
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 2: so I'm not putting anybody on the offense as an up.

565
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 2: I'm telling you that right now. Number one star of

566
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 2: the game for me, Christian Barmore fantastic again in this game.

567
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: Sack had five stuffs again in this game. I think

568
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: that that's really been the part of his game that

569
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 2: has matured the most is his run defense. He's he's

570
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: doing a fantastic job of using his leverage, using his hands,

571
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: using his upper body power to press blocks and hold gaps,

572
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 2: but then also flashing that range and when teams try

573
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: to zone block him, he's you know, swimming around blocks,

574
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 2: and that's where he can use the get off and

575
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 2: the and the ability to lateral movement and things like that.

576
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: He is on a heater. He's on three straight games

577
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: now where he's been fantastic. He has twelve stuffs in

578
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 2: the last three games against the Run back to back

579
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Speaker 2: games with the Sack six quarterback pressures going back to

580
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: the Vegas game. He has been their best player, I

581
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: would say, on either side of the football for about

582
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: a month now. So Christian Barmore is my number one

583
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Speaker 2: up and he's one of those guys that rookie season

584
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 2: had over fifty quarterback pressures, was one of the best

585
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: d tackles in that draft class. In his rookie year,

586
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 2: second year injured told me yesterday I spoke to him yesterday.

587
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: I hopefully I get that piece up tomorrow. He said

588
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 2: that he had never been injured before in his football life,

589
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: so yesterday, last year, second year was really tough on him,

590
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: you know, rehabbing and trying to get back to one

591
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: hundred percent, playing through injury a lot of the time.

592
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: You know, he just said he was kind of like

593
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: a lost puppy trying to figure out how to play

594
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: with an injury and all that kind of stuff. And

595
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: then this year is healthier, you know, back to back

596
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: to normal, and we're seeing that that Christian Barmore that

597
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: we thought they were gonna have going forward after his

598
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: rookie season, a guy that I look at as a

599
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: building block, like somebody that I would hope is going

600
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: to be here on a second contract. I think that

601
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: they definitely need to have him here on a second contract.

602
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: So Christian Barmer, number one, I agree with you.

603
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Speaker 1: That's a guy that you can you can build a

604
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: defense around a three down player. Is you alluded to

605
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: pretty much everything I said last week? This is the

606
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: guy now that he's fully healthy. Is the guy we

607
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: saw coming out of bit out of Alabama, the guy

608
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: that people were surprised fell out of the first round

609
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. So absolutely loved what I saw

610
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: from him. Speaking of second contracts, yess Obarmar was my first. Yep.

611
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: Kyle Duggar. Yeah, he's on my list too. Excellent in

612
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: this game, and he needed that. He had kind of

613
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: a slow start to the season, but look at it.

614
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: They had him playing a more physical, closer to the

615
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage role, and what do you know, Old

616
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger showed up. Yeah. Crazy how that happens? Yeah, crazy,

617
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,959
Speaker 1: how that works. Yeah, the interception obviously which to it,

618
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: I mean threw right to him. But you also had

619
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: that play on the goal line. That's it. That's such

620
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: a difficult play when you have a player with momentum

621
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: moving towards the goal line and he stops him like

622
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: stone walls. Yeah, the goal line. That's just such an

623
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: excellent play from a defensive back. There's not a lot

624
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: of defensive backs in the league that can make that

625
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: specific play. So I thought he did some other stuff too.

626
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: It wasn't perfect, but the secondary was kind of a mess.

627
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: The whole game in terms of communication. They got to

628
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: bring him back and they got to play him in

629
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: the box. I think we're gonna talk a lot this

630
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:26,479
Speaker 1: offseason about quarterbacks, about tackles, about wide receivers. Free safety.

631
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to be saying this all spring is the

632
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: most underrated need for this football team. And they knew it.

633
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: They met with Taylor app Right, they knew it last offseason,

634
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: and they felt like they could go forward with it.

635
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: I know some people did think it. I don't have

636
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: a problem with them trying Kyle Duggart free safety. I mean,

637
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: he played free safety in college. He had done it,

638
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: he has the athleticism, but it was something to try,

639
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: and there was no plan B if it didn't work out.

640
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: And it hasn't worked out, and so Kyle dugar is

641
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: having a worse season because of it, and the defense

642
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: is worse because they don't have that guy. They're seriously

643
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: missing Devin mccordy right now. You're not gonna go out

644
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: and just get one player and replace Deem mccordy in

645
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 1: the offseason, But having a true center fielder, especially when

646
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: you have to face the Dolphins twice a year with

647
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: their speed and teams like that you gotta go out

648
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: and get a guy like that. Last year was a

649
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: good year in the draft I think to do so.

650
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: I haven't done as much work on the safeties in

651
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: this year's class, so I'll get back to you on

652
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: that one. But getting a true free safety center field

653
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: type guy is a must because if they do, it

654
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: allows Kyle dugger to play more like he played against

655
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: Miami on Sunday. Yeah, I agree with I had Kyle Duggar.

656
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, there was still a couple of

657
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: plays where he got a little bit lost in his

658
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: own coverage. But I'm not gonna knock him too much

659
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: when you make like impact plays on the ball that

660
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: he did interception, like you mentioned, good disguise coverage really

661
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: wasn't anything that he did on the play, But he

662
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: made the play right. That's the most important thing. Then

663
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: I agree with you with the tackling and the plays

664
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: near the line of scrimmage were really good in this game.

665
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: That's the Kyle Duggard that they were hoping to get

666
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: every game this season, and it took, like you said,

667
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: with the free safety position. And I think that this

668
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: goes back to, you know, some of the critiques that

669
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: we've made on this show of Belichick the GM. They

670
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: had known that Devin mccordy was year to year for

671
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: like three years, and they just never addressed free safety.

672
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: They never brought in even a day three pick right

673
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: to I mean, like Josh Bledsoe was not He's a

674
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: box safety.

675
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: He's a box safe. He's a box he's a box safety.

676
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember there was one guy they brought

677
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: through who like didn't last so I want to see

678
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: play more. And I'm blanking on the name, but even

679
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: guys like like Miles Bryant I think could play that role,

680
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: they haven't put him back there. Jonathan Jones to me,

681
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: when you had an injuries maybe changed, but you had

682
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: Jack Jones, Christian Gonzales, Jalen Mills, Jayalen Mills.

683
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: Another guy thought well, that's what he's That's what they've

684
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: done a lot more of the last they're doing it

685
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: more now, but it's like Jonathan and Jonathan Jones had

686
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: done it.

687
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a guy I thought maybe could fill

688
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: that role. So they've had opportunities to do it.

689
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: Whether they don't think that they've ever really not to

690
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: cut you off, but I don't think that they ever

691
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: really seriously addressed it, like I I they.

692
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: Know they haven't.

693
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: You know when when Devin was here, like they took

694
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: Doron Harmon in the third round, right, and Doron Harmon

695
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: was the perfect guy to come in and in their

696
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: past game packages he would play the center field role

697
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: and that would free up Devin to play Robert to

698
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: play man coverage, whatever they wanted him to do. And

699
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: they gave him that that flexibility. They never they never

700
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: restock the position.

701
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: And it's it's crazy to me because like.

702
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: So many spots on this roster where they just did that.

703
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: And you're right, but some of those spots, like we

704
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: know they don't value aide receivers. That wasn't a surprise, okay,

705
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: but right, but what running back so so third down

706
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: running back is similar where it's such a crucial position

707
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: for what they do. It's a position we know they

708
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: value highly. Right, some of the positions are things that

709
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: we value that maybe they don't. Just wide receiver would

710
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: be one. I think when we talk about the way

711
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: they've approached the edge rusher position, they look at it

712
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: a little differently than we do. It's like I understand

713
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: why they I don't necessarily agree with it, but I

714
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: understand why they didn't invest as much free safety. We

715
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: heard for years and years and years how important Devin

716
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: McCarty was to this defense. Yeah, to not have for

717
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: them to not line a replacement up when they knew

718
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: how important was to have that guy, I would say,

719
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: third down running back is the exact same thing on

720
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. That one's even crazier

721
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 1: because it was remember before Devin McCarty came, or before

722
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: he moved back to sink like, they had trouble finding

723
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: a fast Why they that to Bill?

724
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: And I know a lot of people think that that

725
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: Devin struggled at corner in the second year, and that

726
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: was I think Devin. I did a piece on it

727
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: right before the season with I spoke to to d

728
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 2: mac about it and he said that he kind of

729
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: put it as a little bit of each Now, Bill

730
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: said at his retirement or something like that that I

731
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: don't remember exactly. Maybe it was that week that he

732
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 2: was asked about it or whatever, that they moved Devin

733
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 2: mccorty to safety ad and necessity because they didn't have

734
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 2: anybody back right. But Devin agreed that he was struggling

735
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: a little bit in his second it.

736
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: Was it was probably both, but again it's it's that

737
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: thing where they knew third down running back. I wonder

738
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: if they were just like, we'll find it, because you

739
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: look at under Bill. I mean, Kevin Folok was here

740
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: when he got here, and then Danny Wood had Chane

741
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: Veren James White, I mean he was seamless. Yeah, it

742
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: was absolutely seamless. And you always had a second guy too,

743
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: a guy like a rex per kid. They knew what

744
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: this looked. They they've seen what this looks like when

745
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: you don't have a true free safety. Granted it was

746
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: ten years ago, probably closer to fifteen now at this

747
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: point actually.

748
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 2: But bombs away like Sunday.

749
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: Right, they know they've seen it. So they yeah, it's

750
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: just it's it's puzzling to me. And they they knew

751
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: at least a little bit again because they met with

752
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: Taylor Rapp, who would have been that guy. Yeah, so

753
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: they knew they needed somebody in that role. It's the

754
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: same at tackle where they who was it from the

755
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: the Eagles signed with the Titans. Why am I my blanky on?

756
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: His name? Andre Andre Dillard. They met with and Dillard

757
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: so you knew, we know, they know that it was

758
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: at least somewhat of a need. Oh yeah, and they

759
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: didn't get the guy initially, and then that was just

760
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: that they never addressed it again.

761
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: I mean I was talking to people in January when

762
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 2: we were at the Shrine Bowl that were saying, yeah,

763
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: we we know tackles in need, like so that's obvious,

764
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 2: like all of us can see it. And they and

765
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 2: they brought in bodies at tackle, but bodies is not

766
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: is not solving the problem. They had bodies, they didn't

767
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: have anything above them, right, And and I think that

768
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 2: you know, at safety, I don't I think that there's

769
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: a value in having some repetitive guys like Dugger and

770
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: Jabriel Peppers in this system because they play so much

771
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: dime and they want to play guys in the box

772
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: like that and things like that. But then you have

773
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: to have the center fielder to be able to play

774
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: those guys in the box right.

775
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: And the centerfielders is what allows you to do them right.

776
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: And they just you know, that was the big thing

777
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: when I talked to mccordy, was he always said and

778
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: and you know, he really identified for understandably for for

779
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,479
Speaker 2: you know they're they're all his buddies, but he really

780
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: identified with like the Harman logan Ryan, you know that

781
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 2: secondary right, And when he said is you know when

782
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: it was the game was on the line, when it

783
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 2: was the money time in the fourth quarter, we knew

784
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: where we were all gonna be, Like we know, you know,

785
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: Chung was gonna be in the star I was gonna be.

786
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: You know Robber probably Deron was playing center field. Like

787
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: we knew where we were going. This defense they don't

788
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: know where they're going like they because they don't have

789
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 2: distinct roles. Everybody is overlapped and right. And so he

790
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 2: said that like they knew I knew where I was

791
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 2: gonna be. They knew where we were gonna be, and

792
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 2: it worked. It'd fit together. This secondary in the back

793
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 2: end doesn't fit together. And you can add Marty Mapu

794
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: into that mix as well of playing him out of

795
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: position first of all, which I will never I will

796
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: never let that go.

797
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: But we sat here he told me he was gonna

798
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: be a linebacker.

799
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: I will never let that go. But regardless that this

800
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: is this is where we're at with this team, is

801
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: that they are constantly from a personnel standpoint they're constantly

802
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: chasing their tail now, like they're constantly one step behind

803
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: all these vacancies instead of one step ahead, but in

804
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: weird ways like they're they're ways ahead of the curve.

805
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 2: On guard, like they have like sixteen guards like cool,

806
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 2: So that position stocked right. Whether Mike on Winnu is

807
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 2: a part of their future or not, they have a guard.

808
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: Well he should be part of the future. Tackle that's

809
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: another conversation.

810
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: Another conversation. Yeah, and they so they have guys to

811
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 2: replace on whnu if on whn who walks in free

812
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: agency and they that's what they used to do all

813
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: the time at every position. Though they used to have tackles,

814
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 2: they used to have, you know, safeties, they used to

815
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: have these players and they just they don't third down

816
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: running back. Like the fact that this team doesn't have

817
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 2: a true third down back or a scap back is

818
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 2: just wild.

819
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: Especially with the offensive line being the way it is.

820
00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: And you need that guy to check down to.

821
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: Know how many times mac Jones is just sitting there

822
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 2: waiting for Ramondre Stevenson to run a route and and

823
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: Rimondre's got one on one with a linebacker and if

824
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: he had, if they had a real James White type

825
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 2: third down running back that that that would be those

826
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: would be easy first downs.

827
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: We took We took it for grant. You remember, like back

828
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: in the day, third and five, James White a little yeah,

829
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, just a little kickout route catch balt to

830
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. It's a linebacker between him and the sticks.

831
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: And he every time, every time he got that first down. Yeah,

832
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: made it look easy. Yeah, as did Danny would Head,

833
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: Shane Vereene.

834
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: Right, that's the thing is like if it was just

835
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 2: it's like Brady, like Brady was the only one that

836
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: that could play this offense at a high level. Right,

837
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: But not to take anything away from James White, but

838
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: James White did it, Shane vereen did it, Danny Wood

839
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: had did it.

840
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 1: Rex Burkhead even used to do it a little bit.

841
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: And they they proved they could get guys into that role. Yeah,

842
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: it's that's why it's different. That's why the wide receiver

843
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: thing is different to me than some these other positions.

844
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 1: We've seen them develop free safeties, we've seen them develop

845
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: ringing bets like that should have been and maybe that's

846
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 1: the downfall. Maybe it was they knew they could develop

847
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: those guys. So they were like, well, you.

848
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 2: Know, well I think that I think they drafted Pier

849
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: Strong and and they gave up May.

850
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: They gave up after he That's a guy that did

851
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: what nineteen catches in his college career and they gave

852
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: up on him after one year. That's a that's not

853
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: much if that's your best effort, that's not much for an.

854
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, and time Montgomery is whatever. Yeah, all right,

855
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: last up here, as we just went down, ke On White.

856
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: All right, my last time he was ke On White.

857
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: I what I was really intrigued by in this game

858
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: from Kean White was his play recognition. It wasn't just

859
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: like plays where he's a bowl in a china shop

860
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: and he's just blowing things up.

861
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: Uh.

862
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 2: The tackle for loss on the Jets sweep, I thought

863
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: was a real sign of growth for him. He played

864
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 2: his edge, stayed disciplined, read out the play, made a

865
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: play behind the line of scrimmage that I think beginning

866
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: of the season Keon White might have just ran up

867
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: the field there and given up the edge. This this year,

868
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: you know, this version sees it makes the play. I

869
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: thought he was really good. Also had a hurry in

870
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 2: this game, made a stuff against the run on his

871
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: own scheme where he saw some of that range. The

872
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: one thing I'll say about Keon White really a good game,

873
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: impactful game. He's kind of a tweeener, and I still

874
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: think that they're kind of figured trying to figure out

875
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 2: where exactly they're gonna play him long term. Now, I

876
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: think the most obvious route is he's a stand up

877
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: guy on first down and then he's an interior guy

878
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: on second and third down. That's probably where we're headed

879
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: with that. But he's he's a tweener like I. He's

880
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: a little bit big to play as a stand up

881
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: outside linebacker, but he's not quite powerful and big enough

882
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: yet to play on the interior for all three downs.

883
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: But I think that they have something here with Keon White.

884
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: They just have to, you know, round him out a

885
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: little bit and figure out exactly where they're gonna play him.

886
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I And that's something too that just comes to

887
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: being a rookie. And you mentioned the tweenyer thing. They'll

888
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: they'll get him in the off season. They'll put him

889
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: on a weight plan, on a meal plan, on a

890
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: workout plan, whatever, and whether they want him to bulk

891
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: up or they want him man like, they'll that that'll

892
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: happen in the off season. He'll come back next year,

893
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: I think, like fully fit into a role. So yeah,

894
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: I'm still excited about it. Look, I'm still excited about

895
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: the draft class. Yeahs as kind of upside downs. The

896
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: season is gone. The flash we saw from Christian is

897
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 1: also is very exciting. Yep, And it's not. It's it's

898
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: different with a guy who was like a knee or

899
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: an ankle right where you're like, is he gonna come

900
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: back and move the same? Like, Yeah, it's relative not

901
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: to I'm sure that there's a massive rehab process and

902
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: he's working through. But you get what I'm saying, right, Yea, Yeah,

903
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: ke On Whites looked good. My third up. I know

904
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: you said you had nobody on offense, I've won. Yeah,

905
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: and it's I don't know if it's necessarily him playing well,

906
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: it's something I saw. It's to Mario Douglas and on

907
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: the Kendrick Bourne touchdown, two defenders go with Tomoro Douglas.

908
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 2: It was a coverage bust, but no, not bad. No

909
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 2: coverage bust Whitey bust. Why because that's the guy they're

910
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: looking they messed up. That's the guy they're looking at.

911
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: There were other instances in the game too, like he

912
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: was getting doubled during the game. I didn't see it.

913
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: He was getting double during he saw it.

914
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you, Like I I talked to him

915
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: about it after the game too, And.

916
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: I didn't you see on the on the screens, teams

917
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: are keying in on him like he's a guy. Defenses

918
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: are starting to key on.

919
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with that. And and that Kendrick Bourne

920
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: touchdown is it was a buzz.

921
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: He's he's a guy, all right, Great, disagree he's a guy.

922
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: Defenses are starting to key in on. Yeah, And I

923
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: think we had that whole conversation over the off seas

924
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: about the coverage dictating player. He's hardly DeAndre Hopkins, but yeah,

925
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: when's the last time they had a guy that defense

926
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: is kind of, especially a rookie at defense, Like, no,

927
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: we might want to take a look at this guy.

928
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: So I agree, Now, how does he build off it?

929
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: He has to still be able to produce when he

930
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: gets this kind of attention. But that's a sign of

931
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: an NFL like where it's not that told me it's

932
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: not just us seeing this guy and being like, oh

933
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: my god, it's the first receiver they've drafted years who's producing.

934
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: This is great. The Miami Dolphins coaching staff saw what

935
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: he was doing on tape and said, this guy when

936
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: he pays some attention to and that maybe not for

937
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: this year, maybe this is more long term take, but

938
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: I think that's something worth being a little excited about.

939
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think what's what's most It doesn't.

940
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: Mean they have their one. Sorry, it doesn't mean they

941
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: have their one one of the future. But if he's

942
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: like this is I was talking to some people about

943
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: this the other day.

944
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 2: If he's like Wes Welker and then you have Randy

945
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 2: Moss on the outside, then like you already kind of

946
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: checked that box.

947
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: So let's say let's say they go out to let's

948
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: say they resigned Kendrick Bourne, right, and he's healthy and

949
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: there's some ifs here, but let's say they go out

950
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: resign Kenrick Born, he's healthy, to Mario Douglas continues to

951
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: go on this track, and then they go out and

952
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: get to d DeAndre Hopkins equivalent is obviously, so it

953
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: could be Higgins, it could be Marvin Harrison Junior, whatever, right. Yeah,

954
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: so you have that guy as your ex, you have

955
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne as you zy, and you have Toamorrow Douglas

956
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: in slot.

957
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah that's pretty good. Yeah, no, I I I'm that

958
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: would be the top half of the league wide receiver group.

959
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, depends on who they get as the

960
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: number one guy.

961
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 5: T T.

962
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 2: Higgins, maybe Marvin Harrison Junior. I have this see it

963
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: from T Higgins without Jamar Chase first to be like

964
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: that's fair.

965
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, who else? I'm trying to think who else?

966
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: I mean, like, if it's like T. Higgins or Jerry

967
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: Judy or I think you're still prove it mode. If

968
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: it's Marvin Harrison Junior, then as much as it's crazy

969
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: for me to say, like this guy that's never played

970
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: in the NFL, but.

971
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: No, I Marvin Harrison or is completely I think I

972
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: said this to you last year. If Marvin Harrison Junior

973
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: is in the NFL right now, he'd be a top

974
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: twenty receiver. I think he'd be higher. I think he's

975
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: a complete unicorn, like right now, like this version of him,

976
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: you'd think he'd be. I'll give you that. I'm fine

977
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: with that. You want to say top fifteen.

978
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: All I know is I watched I actually watched a

979
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 2: little bit of a college game. I watched a little

980
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 2: bit of that Ohio State Penn State game. He was

981
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 2: the best player on the field.

982
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you this, the corner that was covering him, yeah,

983
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: is a projected top twenty pick.

984
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 3: He was.

985
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: So that's an NFL.

986
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: He was the best player on the field and it

987
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 2: wasn't particularly close. And he was on the field with

988
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: like twenty other people.

989
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: That I mean, the guy that was covering him is

990
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: going to be yeah, probably second corner off the board. Yeah,

991
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: he's so yeah. So all right, so Marvin Harrison junior

992
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 1: to Mario Douglass, a healthy Kendric Born, Yeah, top half

993
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: of the league. Yeah.

994
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 2: And then everybody that just heard you say, that's gonna

995
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: say who's playing quarterback?

996
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: Which fair, But whoever is, whoever is, is going to

997
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: have an easier time than the guy right now.

998
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: Shocker, you can make it easier on the quarterback.

999
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: I thought, well, no, that's a dirty thing, don't you

1000
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: dare say you should get the quarterback help? No, because

1001
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: that means he's not good. He should do all this.

1002
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: We all know. Lamar Jackson was just cast to the

1003
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: cast to the wind by the Ravens and the Bills

1004
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: just threw Josh Allen in the deep end with absolutely

1005
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: no help and all of that. There's one guy in

1006
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: this league that's got no help, and that's Patrick Mahomes

1007
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: and he's having whatever the opposite of a career year is.

1008
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: So what does that tell you?

1009
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: He all, says Taylor Swift's boyfriend. So you got that going?

1010
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 3: Well?

1011
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: When she shows up, you've seen those splits? I have

1012
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: you've seen those splits?

1013
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, you show out in front of

1014
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 2: the girl.

1015
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: That's obvious, but look like again getting getting the quarterback. Help.

1016
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: You gotta start bringing Taylor Swift on the road. You

1017
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: want to help out Patrick Mahomes.

1018
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe let's stay you.

1019
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: So here's the thing about that. We know Taylor Swift

1020
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: loves Challette Stadium, right, she's favorite here, and let's Sadium

1021
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: loves Taylor Swift obviously sold out like I would. I

1022
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: would say, a logical candidate to ring the bell. But

1023
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: if she's wearing cheef s gears, she can't do it.

1024
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah she's not, so she won't be here.

1025
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: But but but we've had we've had some advanced scouts

1026
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: on this and apparently that is a weekend off on

1027
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: said European tour. Oh so she could take the PJ

1028
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 2: from you know, wherever she is in Europe to to Fox.

1029
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the two artists, and they're not like

1030
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: on similar planes as arts, but the two artists that

1031
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 1: like identify with your Lett Stadium the most are Kenny

1032
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: Chesney No Shoes Nation Right, was born here and Taylor Swift.

1033
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: Chesney rang it. Yeah, she's not ringing the bell should

1034
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: maybe not this year, but it should be considered. I'm

1035
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: not even and I'm not like that over that. You're

1036
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: much bigger Taylor Swift fan than I am Taylor. But

1037
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: it would be cool she ring. I do. I do

1038
00:47:58,840 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 1: like her.

1039
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 2: She's good, like great, great, playing music great, like you know,

1040
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 2: need to decompress music. Just I do like Taylor Swift.

1041
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: All right, three downs here. We've already talked a lot

1042
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 2: about my first down, so I won't I won't rag.

1043
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: I won't rag on Mac Jones anymore than I already have.

1044
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,959
Speaker 2: I will say this though, you know, there's just there's

1045
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: too many plays that he's leaving on the field. There's

1046
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 2: just regardless of all the there's a ton of issues

1047
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: with this offense. There's issues at the receiver room, routes,

1048
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: things like that. I once again am questioning what the

1049
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: hell they're being coached by Troy Brown, Like, I'm sorry,

1050
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: but this is just year in and year out, it's

1051
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 2: the same thing. Offensive line, you know, all of it, right,

1052
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, the quarterback's got

1053
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: to make some plays. There's plays to be made on

1054
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: this film. I thought the interception was one of his

1055
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 2: worst plays in a couple of weeks. Just I know

1056
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: the one in Vegas was pretty bad too, but this

1057
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 2: one was right up there is in terms of bad

1058
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 2: just late back foot noodle, like just come on, like,

1059
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: we gotta be better than that. Uh So, I would

1060
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 2: say mac Jones is my my first down, but obviously

1061
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 2: I still I still stand with the context on it,

1062
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 2: but he's my first down.

1063
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: I the that interception is tough because I I well that,

1064
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: but also like Kendrick Bourne's open I know there's been

1065
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: some debate about that. I don't think it's a bad

1066
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: how do I put this, Throwing the ball to Kendrick

1067
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: Born in that spot is not a bad decision. The

1068
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: to throw a touch pass in that spot is the

1069
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: bad DESI.

1070
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: I don't think he threw a touch pass. I think

1071
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 2: that's that right.

1072
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: So that's the question, like was it was it? And

1073
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 1: that's where I go. And that's what he said after it,

1074
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: it was a bad throw, like, yeah, he saw Kendrick

1075
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: was open. That ball needs to be on Kendrick Bourne's

1076
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: outside shoulder. It needs to be earlier, earlier outside shoulder,

1077
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: back shoulder kind of thing, and said he leads him

1078
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: up the side and look, Jaylen Ramsey makes a great play.

1079
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: Most corners just break that play up. I don't know

1080
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: how many corners picked that ball off. Yeah, in the

1081
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: way Jayalen Ramsey. But it's a throw I've seen him make.

1082
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: It's a throw I know he can make. But he

1083
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: just didn't. And it's that's what's it's the consistency thing.

1084
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: That's what's frustrating. Because Kendrick Bourne is open on that play.

1085
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 2: I agree, he's open, it's late. His feet are a mess,

1086
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: The fake is horrible, The route wasn't great, Like I

1087
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 2: think Kendrick Bourne could have been available to him a

1088
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 2: little bit sooner, which would have helped. But it just

1089
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 2: overall in general, just a whole like there was probably

1090
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 2: ten plays wrong, ten things wrong on that play and

1091
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: it just well designed. And I think that if you're

1092
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 2: Billy O'Brien, like that's got to be the most frustrating

1093
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: part about it is that's one hundred and ten percent

1094
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: a game planned play, like they they ran that play,

1095
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: that practiced it all week from that down in distance

1096
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 2: thinking it was gonna work right like that. That's one

1097
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 2: of those plays that you come into the game with

1098
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 2: and you're like, when we need to pull it out,

1099
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: like this is what we're gonna run from the high

1100
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 2: red area, and it just was a complete abomination the

1101
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 2: whole play.

1102
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 1: All right.

1103
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 2: So Mac Jones number one, number two, you here.

1104
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: I hate J C. Jackson, just j C. Jackson.

1105
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 2: I hate I said, I hate putting him there as

1106
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 2: a down because in some respects he got got by

1107
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: two of the best receivers in football a couple of times,

1108
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 2: and a lot of it is just Tyree Kills. This

1109
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 2: the best player on the planet right now. I really

1110
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: think that. I think Tyree kill is the best player

1111
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 2: in football. And if I was a voter, and I'm not,

1112
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 2: but they should let me vote on MVP someday, I

1113
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 2: would be voting for Tyreek Kill. So far, now there's

1114
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 2: a seventeenth game, so that's a that's a factor here.

1115
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: But barring injury, he's going to be the first two

1116
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 2: thousand yard receiver in the history of the NFL. Yeah,

1117
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: and he's going to do it by like one hundred

1118
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 2: and fifty yards.

1119
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: So he might do it in sixteen.

1120
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 2: So he might do it in sixteen games, exactly. He

1121
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 2: is the most unstoppable force in the league. That being said,

1122
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 2: the bad eye on the on the touchdown on the

1123
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 2: forty two yard or was awful. You know, just looking

1124
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 2: in the backfield, peaking in the backfield against that guy

1125
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,720
Speaker 2: if he if he hands it off on the jet sweep,

1126
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: then come up and make the tackle. And if you

1127
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 2: give up ten yards on the jet sweep, you give

1128
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 2: up ten yards on the jets sweep. The last thing

1129
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: that you can do is give up a forty two

1130
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 2: yard touchdown, right, Like, that's that's way worse than just

1131
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: like sitting back and then coming up and making the

1132
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: tackle and maybe giving up some yards on the jet

1133
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 2: jet you know, jet motion.

1134
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: That was a horrible play.

1135
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 2: Jalen Wattall spun him around like a top on that

1136
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 2: blaze out that was that was yikes. A couple penalties,

1137
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 2: I know, the one in the end zone was a

1138
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 2: little ticky tack, but Jersey tug is gonna get called

1139
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 2: in this league.

1140
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: Now.

1141
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 2: That's just the bottom line with that. He had a

1142
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: couple of run plays too where he was like the

1143
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: crack force and just didn't like, didn't didn't replace the edge.

1144
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 2: That was rough, rough game for JC. I will give

1145
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 2: him this though. He was very accountable about it after

1146
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 2: the game, made no excuses. Wouldn't let us talk, you know,

1147
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: talk him into making excuses about the refs.

1148
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: He was, he was.

1149
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: He owned it and I'll give him that. So it's

1150
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 2: not like the rag on him too much. But yeah,

1151
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 2: he's got to be on the down list.

1152
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: So I had the defensive coaching staff just because they

1153
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: had I kind of liked the game plan. But they

1154
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: you did, Yeah, yeah, I did. They had a game

1155
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:19,959
Speaker 1: plan that worked in week two.

1156
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 2: No, it didn't. Where this notion that that game plan worked.

1157
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 1: They allowed fewer points. Tyreek Hill was less productive, Jaalen

1158
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: Wall was less productive. How is this game plan better

1159
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: when they gave up?

1160
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: Because at least they stood toe to toe in the

1161
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 2: middle of the ring.

1162
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: If if if Jonathan, they didn't. They allowed two hundred

1163
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: and fifty yards to two guys.

1164
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 2: Okay, they had an interception. They got him on an

1165
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: interception week two. Yeah, but on it not in like

1166
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: the same like part of the field like this game.

1167
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 2: I I give them credit the last two weeks one

1168
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 2: hundred defensively, they stood in the middle of the ring

1169
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: against Josh Allen in to a they tried to fight,

1170
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: they tried to I know, Okay, okay, let's play prevent

1171
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 2: defense to not get burned.

1172
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: This this felt like prevent defense, all soft. It was

1173
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: all soft covered, totally wrong. And here's what I don't get.

1174
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: Why is Jonathan Jones not covering Tyreek Hill because he's hurt,

1175
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: but so he can cover Jalen Waddle.

1176
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 2: I think that he I think he was limited in

1177
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 2: this game.

1178
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: I it just it. I think he had at least

1179
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: give him a shot. At a certain point.

1180
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 6: J C.

1181
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: Jackson couldn't do it. Miles Bryant stopped putting Miles Bryan

1182
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: on fast receivers, right, I.

1183
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: Honestly have, like Jack Jones, Jonathan Jones give him a shot.

1184
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: Jack Jones actually ended up covering Tyreek Kill more than j.

1185
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: C because they had to take Jac off of him. Maybe,

1186
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: I just I don't understated if Jonathan Jones healthy enough

1187
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: to be out there, you gotta give him shot on

1188
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: Tyrek Hill, that's the guy. That's the guy for six

1189
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 1: or seven. I just I it all felt very soft.

1190
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: It all, this one felt it very preventy to me.

1191
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 2: Oh no, they played a ton of man coverage in

1192
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 2: this game. They played like forty five percent of their

1193
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:50,919
Speaker 2: downs and men.

1194
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 1: Cou but it saw it. They were all They're playing

1195
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: off maybe a little bit. We talked. We talked about

1196
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: this on the show Evan leading in the game. They

1197
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: need to get up, they need to depress, they need

1198
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: to be physical receivers, give the past rush of chance.

1199
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 2: I think they did. I think they blitzed a lot

1200
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 2: in this game. They had like a forty five percent

1201
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: blitz right on Tua. They played like fifty percent man

1202
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 2: coverage in this game.

1203
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: I'm talking. I'm talking about they tried.

1204
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 2: I just think that the Dolphins receivers are better and

1205
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 2: they just got burned.

1206
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: When I'm saying I don't like the game plan, I'm

1207
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: talking about specifically in the secondary, I'm fine with that

1208
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: they did upfront.

1209
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 2: I just think they they played too safe in the secondary.

1210
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, I think they didn't play safe enough.

1211
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 2: Like you know, they're they're getting pulled up by eye

1212
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 2: candy and stuff like that in the backfield and giving

1213
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 2: up forty two yard touchdowns like on quarters, like it's

1214
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 2: quarters coverage, Like you can't give up the deep part

1215
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: of the field in quarters you have four guys across

1216
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 2: the deep part of the field.

1217
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: I just think they're trying to get guys to run with,

1218
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: guys that weren't gonna run with.

1219
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 2: I don't disagree to an extent, I guess with that,

1220
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 2: but like at the same time, I don't know what

1221
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 2: choice that they have. These are the guys that they

1222
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 2: have available to them, and playing like they did in

1223
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 2: Week two looked good on the scoreboard, like that they

1224
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 2: only gave up twenty four points, But when you really

1225
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 2: think about it, the Dolphins missed field goals in that

1226
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 2: game to a tripped all over himself on third down

1227
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 2: in the red zone, and that's why they forced a

1228
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 2: field goal.

1229
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: Tripped all over himself in this game, fumbled the first

1230
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: on the first drive of the second half.

1231
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they they competed. I thought in this game

1232
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 2: for most of the first half.

1233
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: Really the only time that they when you're giving, when

1234
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 1: you give up, when you have third and fourteen twice

1235
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: and you give a first down both times giving.

1236
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 2: Because because they missed tackles and they like that, like

1237
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 2: all that type of stuff to me was like execution,

1238
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 2: Like they they missed tackles. Your Gelanti Tavai like has

1239
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: uh what's his name? They're they're running back like in

1240
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 2: the flat on the screen and he just misses the tackle,

1241
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 2: like I don't know, you know. I I commend the

1242
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 2: defensive coaches the last two weeks. They have played Miami

1243
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,240
Speaker 2: in Buffalo. For the past couple of seasons really mostly

1244
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 2: last year with Miami obviously, but the last couple of

1245
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 2: years they've played Buffalo specifically, just don't beat us, like

1246
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 2: can't like surrender the Buffalo game planners better. It was

1247
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 2: the same game plan, That's what I'm telling you. Like

1248
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 2: they played it's a different team, but they played the

1249
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: same coverages like they play. They tried the same things

1250
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 2: and they just got burnt.

1251
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: But it's a very different team to defend Miami is

1252
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: than Buffalo. I don't disagree.

1253
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 2: I just I would much rather than go down swinging

1254
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 2: than than played three deep safety prevent like they did

1255
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 2: in Week two.

1256
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: I think they if Jonathan Jones were certain, then they

1257
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: kind of had to do that. I see. We we

1258
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: talked on the show last week. Get up, press them,

1259
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: get physical, make them get off the line, and see

1260
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: if you can get to Tua. Well, while these guys

1261
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: are trying to get off line, they did none of that.

1262
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: That was the kind of aggression I wanted to see

1263
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: from them.

1264
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: They tried. They did the first first drive of the game.

1265
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 2: They played a repid two man That's what got them

1266
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 2: off the field. That was good to see. Look, I

1267
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 2: think in this Shanahan and you know McDaniel's scheme, what

1268
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 2: what makes what makes it so difficult is all the

1269
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: motion that they use.

1270
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna you know you're playing, I mean,

1271
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: they can't handle that motion. And that's another conversation most

1272
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: teams can't, right, Like.

1273
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 2: If you're playing man coverage and then they bring the

1274
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 2: receiver in motion, you can't press the receiver anymore, right, So,

1275
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 2: you know, those are the things that they do, and

1276
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 2: they do a good job of it. And I just

1277
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 2: like I said, I understand where you're coming from. That

1278
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 2: that it in terms of the production, this game plan

1279
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 2: looks worse than the week two game plan. But in

1280
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 2: week two, what I saw was a team that was

1281
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 2: basically just like dying not to lose, right, Like they're

1282
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 2: playing not to lose. And in this game, I think

1283
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 2: they at least went down swinging. They lost, they got beat,

1284
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: but they went down swinging. And I would also say,

1285
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 2: if they don't bust the coverage on the jail and

1286
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 2: Wattle touchdown at the end of the game, like, how

1287
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 2: does it look?

1288
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: That's right? Well, So to go back to the original point, coaching,

1289
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: defensive coaching down didn't know what they were looking at

1290
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: on that play. That's a coaching thing. Got to get

1291
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: them ready for that.

1292
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean they they had been switching it

1293
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: all again. I just they didn't let me. Let me

1294
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: put the defense didn't look prepared. Oh really with the

1295
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 2: motion stuff I'm saying, Oh, I think they did on

1296
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: fourth down, like the first fourth down of the game

1297
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 2: that they went for. It is like fourth and one.

1298
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 2: They were too many in jo was just an excellent J. C.

1299
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: Jackson coming up towards the line of scrimmage on the

1300
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill touchdown. Yeah, the getting beat on the Jalen

1301
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: Wata went Tyrek Hill said it after the game that

1302
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: they knew they were going to key in on certain

1303
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: things and if they recognized him king in on slants

1304
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: and in cuts, they could beat him over the top.

1305
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,479
Speaker 1: And they did that multiple times. I guess yeah.

1306
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 2: I just I think they had a good plan coming

1307
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 2: into this game, and then I think unfortunately the execution

1308
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 2: just went down the wayside because they don't have the players.

1309
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 2: They just don't have the horses like they would. They

1310
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 2: were doing a lot of like the switches on the

1311
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 2: motion that the teams have done. You know that first

1312
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 2: fourth down of the game. I know that it gets converted,

1313
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 2: but it's like a ridiculous back shoulder throw by Tua

1314
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 2: to Jalen Waddle and the motion comes and Tyreek goes

1315
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 2: in motion and Miles Bryan and I think it was

1316
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 2: Jack Jones on that side of the field. No, it's

1317
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: Jac Jackson. They switched the motion right and Miles Bryan

1318
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 2: takes the new number two and Jac takes Tyreek kill

1319
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 2: and they had it covered really well. It just was

1320
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 2: a better throw, And I just I think that they

1321
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 2: had a plan. You know that a lot of those

1322
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,439
Speaker 2: Kyle Dugger tackles that we talked about on the goal

1323
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 2: line and things like that, they they were covering the motion,

1324
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 2: like like Jabriel Peppers had him if he came out

1325
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 2: the right side, and Dugger had him if he came

1326
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 2: out the left side. Their communication broke down on the

1327
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 2: wattle one like Jack Jones was in one coverage and four.

1328
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

1329
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 2: It was a bust all right, last one here. All

1330
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 2: the wide receivers, every single one of them. All of

1331
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 2: them are on the list. All of them, like Pop

1332
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 2: Douglas is the only one that I want to like

1333
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 2: kind of you could say, but I'm saying, I'm saying

1334
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 2: all of them. Uh, they're the spacing, the route running

1335
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 2: miscues from a you know, a mental standpoint of conversions,

1336
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 2: just the overall lack of just juice or playmaking or anything.

1337
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 2: All the wide receivers were terrible in this game. I,

1338
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 2: like I said earlier in the show, once again, I'm

1339
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 2: asking Troy Brown to please do something anything to get

1340
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 2: these guys to space out their routes correctly. Like first

1341
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 2: third down in the game, it's third and twelve. You

1342
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 2: have three guys on top of each other. Yeah, that's

1343
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 2: been happening for two straight years now, Like how long

1344
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 2: are we gonna let this go on for? And don't

1345
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 2: tell me that it's just because they all stink, Like

1346
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 2: that's that's mental. Like that's like a route running issue, right,

1347
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 2: you know, it's spacing. It's not Oh they can't separate

1348
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 2: against man coverage, that's because they all stink. Okay, this

1349
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 2: is different. I'm not saying that they all stink.

1350
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: I'm just saying.

1351
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 2: That's that's different. The spacing is terrible. The quarterback has

1352
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 2: no idea where half these guys are going on any

1353
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 2: particular play. They just didn't look ready to play in

1354
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 2: this game from a wide receiver standpoint, and that has

1355
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 2: to go down to the coaching. Those guys have to

1356
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 2: get ready fair enough.

1357
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: My third down. Let me preface this by saying, all right,

1358
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: my third down is the rest And because I I

1359
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: didn't think we were going to talk about it otherwise,

1360
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring it up because I want to

1361
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: talk about this in two directions. One, the refs are

1362
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: not the reason the Patriots lost this game. Everybody complains

1363
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: about the J. C. Jackson PI, which was probably a

1364
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: hold if it was anything, but that happens on every play.

1365
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: But all right, yeah, you get you got a third

1366
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: and six on a bad penalty. You had two third

1367
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: and fourteens and two fourth downs. You had four chances

1368
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: to get off the field earlier in that drive and

1369
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: you didn't. The best way to avoid getting beat by

1370
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: the refs is to not put yourself in a position

1371
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: where the refs can beat you, and that's what the

1372
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: Patriots did in this game. That being said, the no

1373
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: call on the DeVante Parker hit is atrocious. Yep, plain

1374
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: and simple.

1375
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 2: I have the no call on on two guys going

1376
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 2: in motion at the snap.

1377
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 1: I was going to get to, there's no excuse to

1378
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: be missing essentially targeting calls hits that no excuse to

1379
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: be missing it. And I think that rattled the Patriots

1380
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: a little bit because they've given the green light to

1381
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: head hunt the refs have. And that's the thing, you know,

1382
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: these players are looking at like what can I get

1383
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 1: away within this game? And what can't I in all regards.

1384
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: It's not just that penalty, holding, penalty's pass interference, all

1385
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: of it, and then the two guys in motion, I mean,

1386
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: come on, Yeah, it's happening right in front of you. Yeah,

1387
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: and that was really bad. This was a big game

1388
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: for get somebody up on the booth that has a button. Well,

1389
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: when they press the button, it goes down to the field.

1390
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 2: My biggest thing is is that they do that on

1391
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:33,439
Speaker 2: some plays like the illegal man downfield penalty, yeah, which

1392
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 2: I think just to in the interest of fairness. They

1393
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 2: picked up one on David Andrews the week before. I

1394
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 2: was I was laughing about that. So we can't sit

1395
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,479
Speaker 2: here and say that we that Dad's a bogus call

1396
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 2: and they shouldn't be picking it up because the Patriots

1397
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 2: benefited from the same call the week before. So I'm

1398
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 2: not saying that. But those are two clear calls in

1399
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 2: both instances where that's coming from New York. There's no

1400
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 2: way the refs just like met and huddled up and

1401
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 2: change their minds, Like there's no way it's happening too

1402
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 2: fast for somebody to just miraculously come up with the

1403
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 2: fact that that's that's not actually a legal man downfield.

1404
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 2: So they're they're buzzing in in some plays from New

1405
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 2: York and changing calls, but they're not buzzing in on

1406
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 2: like the DeVante Parker head hunting play.

1407
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: And look the league. The league knows this is an issue.

1408
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: They put Walt Anderson on Monday Night Football. Yeah, it's

1409
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: it's just it's the officiating has become a major storyline

1410
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: this year across the league. This is not just Patriots thing.

1411
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: They it's something they got to clean up, period, full stop.

1412
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: Gotta clean it up. Yep.

1413
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 2: I agree, all right, let's let's get to the phones.

1414
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that all being said, it's not why they lost

1415
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: the game.

1416
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 2: I like how we always have to like preface it.

1417
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: So I have a rule. I have a sorry, I

1418
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: know you want to get phones. I have a real person.

1419
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: I allow myself one game a year, calendar year. Yeah,

1420
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,919
Speaker 1: all sports, all my teams, all of them. I get

1421
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: one game a year that I get to blame on

1422
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: the refs. That's it. And I haven't used my game

1423
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: yet this year. I used it too early. Last year.

1424
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: It was it was a game two, Game three against

1425
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: the Bucks for the Celtics where Marcus Smart's arm is

1426
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: getting held down as he shoots the ball, and they

1427
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,479
Speaker 1: said it wasn't a shooting foul. I used it there.

1428
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: I blew it early. I usually try to save it

1429
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: for football season. I haven't had to use my game

1430
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: yet this year, but I give myself one game of

1431
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: year to blame on the rest. This wasn't it, But

1432
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: I think more people should adopt that approach.

1433
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the phones. John is in Louisiana.

1434
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: What's up?

1435
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 2: John's Uh? Yeah, go ahead.

1436
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 7: Oh, I just want to see how y'all feel about

1437
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 7: this point on magis like, I feel like it's the

1438
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 7: same where they're allowed his chair, and I feel like

1439
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 7: a lot of the fads that he make it more

1440
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 7: magnified with me. I know you just talked about it

1441
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 7: a lot of players with from the field, but I went,

1442
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 7: y'all feel about there?

1443
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: What was the first point? Sorry?

1444
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 2: You just you broke up a little bit there, Oh.

1445
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 7: I said, I feel like the same is the booths

1446
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 7: are louder than the year. I feel like that coming

1447
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 7: full for wishing with Mega right now?

1448
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, thanks for the John, appreciate it. I

1449
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 2: guess I don't know. I mean, I don't know what

1450
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 2: that's saying is, so maybe that's that's throwing me off

1451
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 2: a little bit. But at the same time, I feel

1452
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 2: like with Mac the criticism is all fair of him,

1453
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 2: Like we have to be objective of what we're seeing

1454
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 2: on the field and he's not playing good enough, Like

1455
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 2: that's that's all fair. What my whole take is with Mac,

1456
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 2: and I think you know alse you mentioned earlier in

1457
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 2: the show that we kind of get ragged on for

1458
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 2: being like mac apologists and making excuses for him and

1459
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 2: stuff like that. My whole thing at this point with

1460
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 2: Mac is more so that they need to learn from

1461
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 2: their mistakes with this quarterback, because if it's the same

1462
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 2: regime that's bringing up the next guy and they do

1463
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 2: the same things and they check the same boxes that

1464
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 2: they did this time around, then I don't care if

1465
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 2: it's Caleb Williams, if it's Drake May, if it's Michael Pennix,

1466
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 2: if it's JJ McCarthy, they're gonna fail just like Mac

1467
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 2: Jones failed. If they change, if they go through three

1468
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,919
Speaker 2: coordinators in three years, if they have no offensive line

1469
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 2: two seasons, if they have no weapons for two seasons,

1470
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 2: that that quarterback, a young quarterback, is not going to

1471
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 2: fix those problems. The only guys that fix those types

1472
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 2: of problems are veteran guys like a Brady like in

1473
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 2: thirteen and stuff. Like that that can just hold it

1474
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 2: afloat and keep you functional or unicorns, And if you

1475
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 2: think that you're just gonna get a unicorn, then like

1476
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 2: good luck. And even those guys like we consider Patrick

1477
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 2: Mahomes a unicorn, right for obvious reasons. But he came

1478
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 2: into the league with Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelcey, and Andy

1479
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 2: Reid calling his plays like let's call a spade a spade.

1480
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 2: It's not like he came into the league and turned

1481
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 2: the Jacksonville Jaguars like Trevor Lawrence is trying to do

1482
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 2: into a two time Super Bowl champion. He had a

1483
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 2: Alex Smith was into the playoffs the year before that

1484
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 2: he took over, right, So that's the thing, Like you,

1485
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 2: there is one hundred percent nature going on with mac

1486
01:07:56,240 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 2: Jones that he has limitations. He has physical limitations, and

1487
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 2: I'm coming around to the fact that he might have

1488
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 2: intangible limitations also just attitude stuff, right, But at the

1489
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 2: same point, there's also a nurture argument of young quarterbacks. Yeah,

1490
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 2: and the next guy, And this is why I really

1491
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 2: feel strongly about the fact that the next head coach

1492
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 2: of the Patriots needs to be an offensive guy, because

1493
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 2: I want the continent.

1494
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: What if except what if it's Josh McDaniels in a

1495
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: defensive coach. Josh McDaniels is not going anywhere, I guess I.

1496
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: But I worry about the system. That's okay, that's fair.

1497
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 1: That's that's fair. I worry about that. But if that's

1498
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 1: that's better, it's better.

1499
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 2: Yes, if it's strad and it's Josh McDaniels, and at

1500
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 2: least I feel a little bit better about that.

1501
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels. Okay, yeah, that's not happening. Yeah, I know.

1502
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 1: Uh no, I it's the nature researcher thing, that's all

1503
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: of it. The Patriots have all the things that we

1504
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: as Patriots fans used to point it, the Bears and

1505
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 1: the Browns and the Bills and all these teams in

1506
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: the quarterback carousel for twenty something years. That all happen

1507
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 1: to start with b I'm trying to think of another one,

1508
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. All these teams that have been in the

1509
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 1: quarterback carself for years, and the things we laugh at

1510
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 1: them for doing are things the Patriots have done. Yeah.

1511
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: The Jets, I think are the perfect Jets. I don't know,

1512
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 1: I con't think of the Jets.

1513
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 2: What you're risking is being going from Sam Darnald to

1514
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson. That's what you're risking, everything.

1515
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 1: From Christian Hackenberg to Sam Darnald or from Genos Christian Hackenberg.

1516
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 2: Right, But and look at Gino, like Mark Sanchez, the

1517
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 2: Gino is now having like a late career like revitalization.

1518
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 2: And I think the one guy not to say that

1519
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 2: Mac is going to do this, but the one guy

1520
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 2: that I also went back and thought about is Alex Smith,

1521
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 2: who in San Francisco it was a disaster for him,

1522
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 2: like multiple coordinators, a bad roster around him, and he's terrible.

1523
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 2: Then he goes to Andy Reid in Kansas City and

1524
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 2: he has like this like eight year run where he

1525
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 2: is an NFL quarterback and making the playoffs and like

1526
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 2: winning ten games a year like, and that's that's the

1527
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 2: that's the genesis of it all. Like if if you

1528
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 2: are out on Mac, that's fine. I'm not gonna sit

1529
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 2: here and try to convince you that Mac Jones is

1530
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 2: secretly this great quarterback that they're holding back in anymore.

1531
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you have to recognize that

1532
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 2: every quarterback is going to fail if they're put into

1533
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 2: a position where Matt Patricia is their offensive coordinator for

1534
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 2: a year. Then Billy O'Brien comes in and they have

1535
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 2: all these personnel issues around the quarterback, Like this is

1536
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 2: just not going to work for anybody, and they have

1537
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 2: to be able to learn from their mistakes.

1538
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that that's a massive point and it's

1539
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 1: it's unfortunately there are going to be long term implications

1540
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: of all this because whoever they draft, Drake May, Michael Pennocks, whoever.

1541
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: Let's say it's a good rookie heear. Yeah, you know what,

1542
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 1: everybody's going to talk about that entire spring and summer

1543
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 1: that Mac mac had a good rookie year too. Matt,

1544
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 1: I'm not buying anything right. Still might suck like that

1545
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: is coming and they've sort of brought that on the

1546
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 1: not sort if they brought that on themselves.

1547
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 2: All right, Erica's in Nashville. It's up Eric, guys.

1548
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 7: How's it going good?

1549
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 5: I you know, you guys kind of took my question

1550
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:58,759
Speaker 5: right before I was going to ask it, just about

1551
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 5: like change and everything in the NFL, Like when you

1552
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 5: look at Mariota and Alex Smith, just like Alex and Alex.

1553
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 5: Evan was kind of saying like those guys, you know,

1554
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 5: they they struggled because they had so many offense coordinators,

1555
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 5: so many offensive changes through three years. And I didn't,

1556
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 5: you know, think those guys were bums when they first

1557
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 5: came out. But I think if this offense doesn't keep

1558
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 5: the nucleus together for at least another year, then you

1559
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 5: might as well just like switch everything, switch their game,

1560
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 5: switch the quarterback, because you're just setting your team up

1561
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 5: for failure at that point, Like O'Brien's going to ask

1562
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 5: for different things that McDaniels is going to ask for

1563
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 5: if he comes back. So it's like you're just kind

1564
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 5: of starting over offensively every single year, and in the NFL,

1565
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 5: you need that continuity to kind of like build.

1566
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 2: Off of Yeah, yeah, yeah, I couldn't agree more with that, Eric,

1567
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 2: And thanks for the call. I couldn't agree more. And

1568
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 2: I feel that way not only just about the offense.

1569
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 2: I also feel that way about some of their pending

1570
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 2: free agents that are coming up. Like they have one

1571
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 2: hundred million dollar in cap space roughly. I know that

1572
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 2: some numbers are different than others, but let's just call

1573
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 2: it one hundred million, just for a nice round number.

1574
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 2: They have so much cap space next to offseason, Alex

1575
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 2: that there's no reason to start all over with Mike

1576
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 2: on Wen who at guard or tackle or wherever you

1577
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 2: want to play. I'm Kyle Duggar right, like these guys,

1578
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 2: So why like why why let go of these players

1579
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 2: that have been good players for you, that were good

1580
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 2: draft picks like Dugger and Mike on wn who are

1581
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 2: two of your best draft picks in like the last decade. Like,

1582
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 2: and that's not an exaggeration, Like those two guys. Mike

1583
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 2: on Winning in the sixth round is a hell of

1584
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 2: a draft pick by the Patriots. Yeah, and to move

1585
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 2: on from those guys is just foolish, Like you have

1586
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:46,719
Speaker 2: to start building something at some point. And those guys,

1587
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 2: I think whether you know, uh to use the lombardis

1588
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 2: and we talk about his Tuesday player thing a lot. Yeah,

1589
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 2: Mike on Winning and Kyle Dugger are probably like red chips.

1590
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 2: They're probably not blue chip players, right, but but red

1591
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 2: chip are still valuable.

1592
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 1: You need those guys. You absolutely need those guys.

1593
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 2: And that's in red chips are still above like average

1594
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 2: NFL starter. We're talking about above average NFL starts.

1595
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: These are guys you're talking Madden, You know, mid high

1596
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 1: eighties rating, which they're not your superstars, but they're you're

1597
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 1: not like actively trying to replace them either. Yeah. I

1598
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 1: Zach coxer Nessen had a really interesting number he tweeted

1599
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: out this week that was Patriots in the first three

1600
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: rounds between twenty fourteen and twenty nineteen. So that's the

1601
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: last five years eligible for an extension this year, twenty

1602
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 1: twenty classes up right, twenty fourteen, twenty nineteen drafted nineteen

1603
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: players in the first three rounds. Yeah, zero of them

1604
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 1: got a second contract. Joe Tooney got a franchise tag.

1605
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 1: That's as close as it came. Now, look, there are

1606
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: a lot of those pics are bus A lot of

1607
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 1: those guys are just players. You're not going to sign

1608
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,520
Speaker 1: a second contract, and that's part of this conversation. But Toney,

1609
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 1: even a guy like Damien Harris, how much could this

1610
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 1: team use Damien Harris? Right now? Are guys they didn't

1611
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: bring back, and you want a reason why they're And

1612
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: Zach had the five years prior to that, and I

1613
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: think it's something like four thirteen players or something. Yeah,

1614
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 1: why you in the spot you're in because you're not

1615
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 1: retaining young talent you're not retaining young talent. You have

1616
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 1: to have to do that in the NFL. Part of

1617
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: that is picking better players, but part of it is

1618
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: also when you do pick good players, which they've picked

1619
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: some you mentioned Mike Conuanu, Kyle Duggar, Josh Uche or

1620
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 1: even undrafted free agents jac jack jac Jackson, Jacoby Myers.

1621
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: You have to retain these guys. You got to bring

1622
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:35,639
Speaker 1: them back at a certain point. You can't just keep

1623
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 1: churning your roster. It's a new fifty three players every

1624
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 1: four years.

1625
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 2: It's so true. It's the NFL. It's just replace, replace, replace, replace,

1626
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 2: and it's it's add You're just constantly catching your tail

1627
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 2: and replace.

1628
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: Look, it's the NFL. There's roster turnover more than any

1629
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: other league except for the NBA. But it's the NFL.

1630
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: There's a lot of roster turnover, yes, but not the

1631
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: whole roster. You need a core of five to ten

1632
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: guys least. That's you, that's your base, that's your foundation.

1633
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: And they really like it's sort of if they had

1634
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 1: a course like Matthew Slater, David Andrews, Jonathan Jones, Dietrich Wise, Yeah,

1635
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 1: Lawrence Guy, I guess you throw in there, Bentley, But

1636
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: like those guys are starting to get older, and those

1637
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: guys aren't necessarily impact players. They may be good players

1638
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: in the locker room, but they're not all these high

1639
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 1: red ship players. You need to start building an identity

1640
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 1: because when you lock in Kyle Duggart, you know that

1641
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: spots set in what Kyle Duggart does. You're gonna go

1642
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: out and get other players that make sense in the

1643
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 1: context of we're gonna have him do this next to

1644
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 1: Kyle Duggar, like the free safety thing. Right, instead of

1645
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: these guys accommodating for your losses, you're gonna build around them.

1646
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 1: They need to need to need to start doing that,

1647
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 1: and some of it is picking better players. But they

1648
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: have hit on a couple of picks the last few years.

1649
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: They've hit on some free agency. We've talked about Jabrill Peppers.

1650
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 1: That's the guy that you get an extension this offseason.

1651
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 1: They need to start building that core.

1652
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 2: And that's I think everybody, and I understand everybody wants

1653
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 2: the Patriots to have better players, right, they want better

1654
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 2: more talent, better players, more top end talent to the roster.

1655
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 2: But the thing is is that if you retain some

1656
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 2: of the red chips and then you add blue chips

1657
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 2: on top of the red chips. Well, now you're building

1658
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 2: to something, right.

1659
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 1: So for instance, perfect example of this, and I know

1660
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: it's going to drive you up a well, but I

1661
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 1: don't care. Probably they had Ted Carris yep, who was

1662
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:35,599
Speaker 1: what twenty six, twenty seven something like that, and Jack

1663
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:37,719
Speaker 1: Mason was a little older but was still playing. Well.

1664
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 1: They moved on from both of those guys and in

1665
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 1: the last two years they've drafted four guards in the

1666
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: top one fifty, including one in the first round. Because

1667
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 1: they're chasing their tail on it, right, if you re

1668
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 1: sign Ted Carris, who didn't, it wasn't unreally they went

1669
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 1: to the negotiation table and pulled back their off the offer.

1670
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 8: Right.

1671
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 1: Do they still draft col Strange? I don't know, but

1672
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: like you can use those picks, maybe they don't feel

1673
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: as pressed to need to add his guard. Maybe you

1674
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,839
Speaker 1: use those picks on a tackle or on a safety

1675
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 1: or on a running back or something like that. Christ

1676
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: or Christian Watson. Yes, that's always been my second guest

1677
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 1: with that draft. Please that that that's kind of how

1678
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 1: this this whole thing works. If you don't let Stefan

1679
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: Gilmour and J. C. Jackson walk. Maybe you don't have

1680
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: to take two corners and look, they've been good, Jack

1681
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 1: Jones and Marcus Jones, but maybe you don't have to

1682
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,679
Speaker 1: take two corners there back to back, and you add

1683
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,799
Speaker 1: a player in another position where you need a depth

1684
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,639
Speaker 1: before you got to keep some of the good players,

1685
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,680
Speaker 1: and you can overextend the other way too, And that's

1686
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 1: what teams like the Rams have done, and they got

1687
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,719
Speaker 1: in big trouble. But there is a happy medium between

1688
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,720
Speaker 1: keeping some good players and letting some walk, and the

1689
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 1: really good teams figure out who are the right ones

1690
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: to let walk and who are the right ones keep.

1691
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 1: And they were excellent at that for twenty years. They

1692
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 1: were so good it. This is the guy we're gonna

1693
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 1: bring back, this is the guy we're gonna let go.

1694
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 1: You go through it like how many.

1695
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,719
Speaker 2: Times like Chandler Jones, Adante Hi Tower, right.

1696
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: How many times until the last five years was there

1697
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 1: a player that they let walk that we were really like, Man,

1698
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,560
Speaker 1: that one sucks, the one everybody brings up as a

1699
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 1: Keeam Hicks, which yeah, he was good, but also they

1700
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 1: had good defensive tackles. Well, that was happening.

1701
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I don't think there's a big one.

1702
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 1: So this is something they were able to do, and

1703
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 1: they did, they've just stopped doing in the last four

1704
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 1: or five years. And to say, oh, well Brady covered

1705
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 1: it up, He's not covering up the defensive side of

1706
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: the ball like that. Maybe on offense he covered up

1707
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: a little bit, but I don't know. Again, I don't

1708
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,600
Speaker 1: know how many offensive players in the Dynasty era they

1709
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 1: let go that I was like, and honestly, the few

1710
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 1: they did, they ended up bringing back Garrett Blunt.

1711
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so here this kind of irks me, Like,

1712
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 2: and it's not about Braxton Barrios might be one of

1713
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 2: the biggest ones. It's not about like, it's not about

1714
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 2: discounting Brady, Like, let's not what I actually I think

1715
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 2: it's become to the point were like, it's it's honestly

1716
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 2: unfair to some of the great players that played around Brady,

1717
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:07,799
Speaker 2: because now the the take is is that.

1718
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:09,719
Speaker 1: Brady just did everything. Brady.

1719
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 2: Brady played every all, all twenty two spots on the field.

1720
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 2: It was just Brady and it they people realize that

1721
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 2: the Patriots have two defensive players in the Hall of Fame,

1722
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 2: now from the Dynasty era, right, like Richard Seymour and

1723
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 2: Ty Law are in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, the

1724
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 2: NFL Hall of Fame. Yeah, pro football, I should say

1725
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 2: the Rodney Harrison should be in the Pro Football Hall

1726
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 2: of Fame.

1727
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 1: We both are yes on that. I think that is

1728
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 1: the second biggest Hall of Fame exclusion in all the sports.

1729
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 2: Should be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Yes, Okay,

1730
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:44,839
Speaker 2: And I always say this. If William mcginnison, Teddy Bruski

1731
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:46,560
Speaker 2: played on the seventies Steelers, they'd also be in the

1732
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 2: Profoball Hall of Fame.

1733
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 1: Okay, we keep doing.

1734
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 2: That, right, So to sit there and say and then

1735
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 2: Dynasty two point zero, Gronkowski, Edelman, high Tower, mccordy. You know,

1736
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 2: obviously Rivas was here for a year, Gilmour was here

1737
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 2: for a couple. Decent player here like these these guys

1738
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 2: are good football players.

1739
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 1: They don't don't don't be little the guys by saying

1740
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 1: the teams they It's not like they never built good teams.

1741
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 1: It's the approach seems to have changed. Basically, I wouldn't

1742
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even say since Brady left, I think in

1743
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 1: the final you know you came on the beat. Evan

1744
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 1: approach has changed.

1745
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 2: That would ruin like the move that started to like

1746
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 2: really ruin. This whole thing for me was Tony, Like

1747
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 2: Toney was such a perfect resign. But yeah, no, I

1748
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 2: mean maybe the timeline started, but like that one really

1749
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:44,599
Speaker 2: irks me. And you know Paul and I'll tell him.

1750
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 2: I have said this on Unfiltered. Paul always comes at

1751
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 2: me and says, like, do guards on your own time? YadA, YadA, YadA.

1752
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 2: Do you think the Chiefs have any buyer's remorse with

1753
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 2: Joe Touney. Joe Tony is going to be an All Pro.

1754
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 2: He's going to be a first team again Pro. I

1755
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 2: think he was. I don't think he was yet. I

1756
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:00,719
Speaker 2: think it might be his first but he's he should

1757
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 2: be a first team All Pro. He's maybe the best

1758
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 2: guard in the NFL.

1759
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 1: He's up there. He's fantastic. He was a second team

1760
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 1: All Pro last year.

1761
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is absolutely fantastic, and he's durable. He's on

1762
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 2: the field all the time. And you're telling me that

1763
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 2: you never missed one game of the day, that this

1764
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 2: wouldn't look better on offense if they had a pocket

1765
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 2: for Mac Jones and it wasn't cole Strange and then

1766
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 2: whatever they're putting at right guard or whatever they're putting

1767
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 2: at left guard because Cole Strange is hurt or not

1768
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 2: or benched because he's not playing well like that. This

1769
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 2: is all a factor, and especially when you have a

1770
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:42,679
Speaker 2: pocket quarterback that that one just I can't I can't

1771
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:44,679
Speaker 2: deal with that still, all right, Isaac is in Reno?

1772
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:48,719
Speaker 1: What's up? Isaac listener?

1773
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 6: First time solar here?

1774
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1775
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 6: I just feel like I'd rather keep Nax for another

1776
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 6: year and build up the offense before we throw in

1777
01:21:57,160 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 6: another young quarterback and possibly ruin her. That being said,

1778
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 6: if the team does decide to get a new quarterback,

1779
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 6: probably in the draft, I'm just wondering how much of

1780
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:10,839
Speaker 6: the staff and roster you would keep, especially on the offense.

1781
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 6: And I guess what you're playing in free agency and

1782
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 6: the rest of the draft would be Thanks.

1783
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 1: Guys, Thanks Isaac. Offense.

1784
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 2: Offense, offense, offense, offense. I'm spending every cap dollar in

1785
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,759
Speaker 2: every draft pick in the top one hundred on offense.

1786
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: You gotta resign some guys on defense to do that,

1787
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 1: but yeah.

1788
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 2: All of offense all over the place. If they use

1789
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:32,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this now on November two, if they

1790
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:34,599
Speaker 2: use a top one hundred on a defensive player, I'm

1791
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 2: gonna lose my mind. Shared verse future Patriots, I'm gonna

1792
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 2: lose my effing mind.

1793
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 1: You need to.

1794
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 2: This league has changed and until I say this all

1795
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 2: the time, until this organization philosophically changes their approach to

1796
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 2: team building and recognizes that unless they score thirty points

1797
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,640
Speaker 2: a game, they are not winning anything anything in this

1798
01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 2: league anymore. They are gonna be stuck here. This is

1799
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 2: where they're gonna be stuck. And you your major picks.

1800
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:07,559
Speaker 2: You got your picks last year, Bill on defense, all right,

1801
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 2: so you have Gonzales, you have White, you have whatever

1802
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 2: they're gonna turn Mapu into, which is probably a bust

1803
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 2: because they don't know how to use them. And they're

1804
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 2: gonna that's fine. Like you had your picks on defense

1805
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 2: last year, you mentioned retain. Okay, bring back Kyle Duggar, right,

1806
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 2: and make sure you have the nucleus of this defense together,

1807
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 2: just like you did last offseason. You brought back the

1808
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:28,599
Speaker 2: entire defense besides Devin mccordy. So do it again. The

1809
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 2: defense is more than set, right, It's fine. You're gonna

1810
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 2: have Gonzales back. Maybe you work something out to have

1811
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 2: Jude on back.

1812
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,600
Speaker 1: You're gonna have well, but they say, oh, you're right,

1813
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right. I forgot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you

1814
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 1: have Jude on back.

1815
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 2: Maybe if you want to address you know, we've we've

1816
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 2: been talking about it, so we got we have to

1817
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 2: be fair. If you want to address free safety, then fine,

1818
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 2: that's the one. But you don't and nowadays you really

1819
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 2: don't see teams drafting free safety.

1820
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 1: Most of these guys are not first round. You can

1821
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 1: do that the Secondude where they took Mapus where they

1822
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 1: had done it.

1823
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but a lot of the time I would say

1824
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 2: the reason for that is because they really hasn't been

1825
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:11,679
Speaker 2: like a unicorn free safety in a while.

1826
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 1: No, there there is sort of one this year. So

1827
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 1: you're gonna drive yourself up a wallet. Cooper to Gene,

1828
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 1: I keep telling.

1829
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 2: You no, but no, I don't want to hear that name.

1830
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 2: Uh I just offense, offense, offense, And if you're gonna

1831
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 2: go about it, if you're gonna load up in the

1832
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 2: veteran market on offense, first of all, like, please get

1833
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 2: it right this time.

1834
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and no more.

1835
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 2: John Hu Smiths than Juju smith Schusters, please, But at

1836
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 2: the same time, like you know, if you're if you

1837
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 2: get to the draft and you have t Higgins on

1838
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 2: this roster and you brought back Kendrick Bourne and he's

1839
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 2: gonna be healthy, and you have Pop Douglas emerging, and

1840
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 2: you maybe you bring back Hunter Henry also because he's

1841
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 2: a functional tight end, so you might as well.

1842
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 1: He's a franchise at Canada. Yeah, I agree.

1843
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 2: So you have all this in peace already by the

1844
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 2: time you get to the draft, then okay, maybe I

1845
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 2: can talk myself into not going off you know, all

1846
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 2: three picks.

1847
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:05,759
Speaker 1: Two or three at least. Yeah, yeah, I would agree

1848
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 1: with that. I had a point and I don't remember

1849
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 1: what it was. So Eric, Eric is in New Jersey.

1850
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 1: What's up? Eric?

1851
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 9: Hey, guys, I had a question and what would you rather?

1852
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 9: The question is for the practice, how do you I mean,

1853
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,560
Speaker 9: how many snaps you guys have a better view and understanding.

1854
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 9: So when we say guys aren't showing up in practice

1855
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 9: like obviously you know, you guys have boute thor and

1856
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 9: you guys lower down the depth chart, like how many

1857
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 9: reps are they.

1858
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 4: Really getting to determine? Like this guy's making plays in practice,

1859
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 4: because that's one thing I don't I don't know how

1860
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 4: many live plays after running. And then what would you

1861
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 4: rather for next year? Would you rather go in the

1862
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 4: next season for bringing back Bill Mac, drafting Marvin Harrison

1863
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:48,799
Speaker 4: and signing Michael Pittman or next season bringing Bennie Johnson,

1864
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:52,639
Speaker 4: draft Drake May, signed T Higgins and signed Curtis Samuel.

1865
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 9: I'll take it off the line.

1866
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 7: Thanks guy.

1867
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 2: Okay, oh, thanks for the call. First question to the

1868
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 2: point of of reps in practice, we don't get to

1869
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 2: watch in season practices, just like full disclosure. I don't

1870
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 2: want people to think that that we do.

1871
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:07,719
Speaker 1: We get like five minutes.

1872
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, just yeah, So we don't watch in season practice.

1873
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 2: But they're from what I understand, it's not all that

1874
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 2: different than some of the camp practices that we see

1875
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 2: when they do have games, like they had that one

1876
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 2: camp practice for the Texans game where we did see

1877
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 2: some game plan periods and things like that. So it's

1878
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 2: not all that different. But I think a lot of it.

1879
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 2: You know, Rager kind of carved out his role by

1880
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:32,719
Speaker 2: making plays on the scout team, and he was flashing

1881
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 2: on scout teams. So then they moved him over and said, okay,

1882
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:37,640
Speaker 2: let's see what he looks like on this side of

1883
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:39,680
Speaker 2: the ball with our offense. And that's how that kind

1884
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 2: of comes to fruition. So there's snaps, like there's reps.

1885
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 2: It's not like he's out there with the starters and

1886
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:47,679
Speaker 2: playing poorly. They want to see her. You running routes

1887
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 2: with the effort. Are you Runningchris sproutch You're making the

1888
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,640
Speaker 2: right reads, the effort this and that. You do that

1889
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 2: on the scout team, and then that's how you get

1890
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 2: moved up.

1891
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 1: So I don't know how many reps Kishon Booty is

1892
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 1: getting with the starters, but that's not how the reps

1893
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:01,680
Speaker 1: with the starters are what we're talking about here. We're

1894
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:02,680
Speaker 1: talking about on the scout team.

1895
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:04,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so we got three more calls and try

1896
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 2: to get through these pretty quickly. So because I want

1897
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:10,599
Speaker 2: to talk a little bit, Commander, Yeah, Cassandra is in Maine.

1898
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 2: What's up, Cassandra?

1899
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 8: Hey guys, all right, so I'm a bit of a

1900
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 8: bitter fan right now. I'm going to go on a

1901
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 8: little mini tangent. I don't understand why everybody wants Josh McDaniels.

1902
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 1: To come back.

1903
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 8: In my opinion, he is part of the reason why

1904
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 8: the Patriots are horrible right now. He took so many coaches,

1905
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:37,640
Speaker 8: players and everybody over to the Vegas Raiders. He's not

1906
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 8: a good head coach. I feel like he should just

1907
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 8: never set foot in New England again. But that's just

1908
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 8: my opinion, and I mut know what you guys were

1909
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:45,720
Speaker 8: thinking about it.

1910
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Cassandra, and I don't hope. I

1911
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:51,839
Speaker 2: always like it when we get we get female callers.

1912
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 1: I like that.

1913
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 2: IM glad that we have some female listeners out there

1914
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 2: because I know we get pretty nerdy on this show.

1915
01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 2: So you know, it's not it might you know. I

1916
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 2: always know that. My mom and Jess like sometimes try

1917
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 2: to listen to the show and they're just like, yeah,

1918
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:05,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, you guys are just you

1919
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 2: guys are just being geeks. Uh anyways, Uh okay, the

1920
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 2: uh that that I hurt You're feelings, I know.

1921
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 1: Just whatever that all was, I don't know that you

1922
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:16,600
Speaker 1: said that was just a lot of words, okay. Uh anyways,

1923
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 1: uh yeah, iball.

1924
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 2: I know, Yeah that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I agree

1925
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 2: hundred percent. Uh, Cassandra, I hear what you're saying. And

1926
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 2: I understand the the coaching staff thing is interesting and

1927
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 2: I would love to know, you know, truth Serum Bill

1928
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 2: or feel like we have a lot of things to

1929
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 2: ask true Sierram Bill these days, but true Serum Bill, Like,

1930
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 2: was he on did he did that hurt his feelings?

1931
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:40,640
Speaker 3: That? Like?

1932
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 1: Is that okay that he did that?

1933
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 2: Like with McDaniels with the coaching staff, right, like, well,

1934
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 2: it seemed like that was something that was discussed between

1935
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 2: the two of that. But I can't imagine gutting the

1936
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:52,760
Speaker 2: entire coaching staff was really what Bill had in mind.

1937
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 1: No, And remember because Nick Cayley was the one guy

1938
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 1: that couldn't leave. So yeah, clearly Bill put his foot

1939
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 1: down somewhere. But I go back to the piece from

1940
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,639
Speaker 1: the HBO document with Bill Belichick and Nick Saban where

1941
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 1: they talk about we have a role when you get

1942
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 1: when you go run your own program, You run your

1943
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 1: own program, you don't cut our program. And let's not

1944
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 1: say he can't take a guy or two, but he

1945
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,559
Speaker 1: took the entire offensive staff but one guy, yeah, most

1946
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 1: of it.

1947
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, like and Troy, he didn't take care of Vinnie,

1948
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 2: but he so he took Lombardy. He took a heart

1949
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 2: degree and he took carm Brisilla.

1950
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 1: Vinnie wasn't like really on this, like he was an

1951
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 1: assistant running because the guy's position coach level and higher. Right,

1952
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 1: he took.

1953
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 2: But I think it's a I agree with Cassandra in

1954
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 2: one hundred percent about it being a huge factor as

1955
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 2: to why the last two years have been a disaster.

1956
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 1: Oh it's it's if if the the you know that

1957
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 1: meme where it's like the the little brick and the

1958
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 1: guy pushes it and then there's the big brick at

1959
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 1: the end. Uh. John Gruen doesn't send that email. Yeah,

1960
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:53,559
Speaker 1: who knows where the Patriots are at right now? Geez,

1961
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 1: because because I don't know that anybody else was hiring

1962
01:29:56,120 --> 01:30:00,080
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels. They're Raiders. It was a unique situation. And

1963
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:03,680
Speaker 1: if if Josh McDaniels doesn't get that job, if the

1964
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 1: Patriots won a Super Bowl with Mac Jones, I don't

1965
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:07,519
Speaker 1: think so. But I don't think we're sitting here talking

1966
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 1: about Drake Man Kayle Williams either.

1967
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so, I mean they you know, we talk

1968
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:15,879
Speaker 2: a lot about the quarterback development, what about the offensive

1969
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 2: line development? Like what is what does Cole Strange look

1970
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 2: like now if Carl Brisilla has been his line coast

1971
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 2: the whole time. I really, I've said this yesterday on PU.

1972
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 2: I think car Brisilla is a really really good.

1973
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:31,800
Speaker 1: Line And let's not forget he was in terms of

1974
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 1: like degrees of separation. He worked directly with Dante Scarnekia. Yeah,

1975
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,640
Speaker 1: he was the last, the last him and Pop and

1976
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 1: Pop who's now with the Texans. Yeah, so you were

1977
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 1: removed from that Dante and Matt Patricia comes in and

1978
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:50,120
Speaker 1: changes bro. Now Adrian Clem played for Scars, so you

1979
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:52,679
Speaker 1: know its exactly. Players have said that there's some similarities there,

1980
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 1: but it's all the domino of system. They just have

1981
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 1: to coach it. The domino effect, the butterfly effect of

1982
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:06,719
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels leaving is I don't think we'll ever truly understand.

1983
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 1: We won't because we don't know that. There's no way

1984
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 1: to know. I would say the reason people wanted to

1985
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 1: come back, speaking for somebody who's interested by it, I don't.

1986
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 1: I don't need it. But one there's that thing of

1987
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 1: if they if Mayo is the next guy or a

1988
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 1: defensive head coach. I like the idea that you have

1989
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:29,599
Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator that's not going anywhere. I think there

1990
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 1: is value in that has to happen. I also think

1991
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:37,000
Speaker 1: even some of the great offensive minds developing a young

1992
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 1: quarterback is its own thing independent of that. And Josh

1993
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 1: McDaniels got a really good Rooki year at a mac

1994
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 1: Jones and Aidan O'Connell doesn't look bad either, for whatever

1995
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 1: that's worth. So this is a guy that can work

1996
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 1: with young quarterbacks. And there's like can not.

1997
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:57,320
Speaker 2: To mention, like, you know, Jimmy G and Jacoby Present.

1998
01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 1: He made he made people think Jimmy G was a

1999
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 1: starting NFL quarterback ten years ago. He might have been

2000
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 1: before all the injuries. To be fair, well, the injuries

2001
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:05,639
Speaker 1: are part of it. Anyway, we don't need to revisit

2002
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 1: that one. The point being that would be the argument again,

2003
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 1: I don't need it if they were to bring in

2004
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 1: a guy like a Ben Johnson who's worked with who's

2005
01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:17,639
Speaker 1: worked and developed a young quarterback, or guy like Eric

2006
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 1: Banemy who was there with Patrick, he was there with

2007
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 1: Mahomes from the beginning. Right Yeah, Okay, now we're talking.

2008
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 1: If they want to go out and get a guy

2009
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 1: like who's never and I'm trying to think of an

2010
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 1: example on a blanket. But if they were to go

2011
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 1: with like a college coach, and I know every college

2012
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:34,519
Speaker 1: coach all they do is develop young quarterbacks, it's different.

2013
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:36,840
Speaker 1: It's different taking a high school than a college game

2014
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 1: than a college kid to the NFL game. Having a

2015
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:43,440
Speaker 1: guy who's developed an NFL quarterback before, like Josh McDaniels,

2016
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 1: there's value there.

2017
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. Uh, Patty is an agon. What's up, Patty?

2018
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 3: What's up?

2019
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:54,679
Speaker 10: Guys? Hey, Hey, I get stuck with the line three,

2020
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 10: which is bad all the time.

2021
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2022
01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:02,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had I had a thought yesterday and I

2023
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 2: wanted to get your guys opinion on it.

2024
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 10: So you guys were talking about cash spending the other

2025
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 10: day on c U Evan and budgets, and I was,

2026
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:13,439
Speaker 10: and I had a thought in my head that, you know,

2027
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:17,320
Speaker 10: maybe Craft does get Belichick like a certain amount that

2028
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 10: he has to spend every year and he's not to

2029
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 10: go over it. And and then I thought, well, that

2030
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:27,760
Speaker 10: kind of doesn't make sense, because I mean, you know,

2031
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,200
Speaker 10: when he bought the Patriots, he was scared to tell

2032
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 10: my Rusk that he for the amount of money that

2033
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 10: he paid for him, I think if he's the only

2034
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 10: owner to correct me if I'm wrong, But I think

2035
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 10: he's the only owner to privately fund his own stadium,

2036
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 10: so I don't think there's a problem spending money there.

2037
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 10: So I guess he broad question is if you had

2038
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 10: to blame one of the two craft get Belichick on

2039
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:54,639
Speaker 10: not spending money on bringing in good players who would

2040
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 10: have been Because to me, I'm taking Belichick, you know,

2041
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:01,280
Speaker 10: I think I think Kraft gives them the green life

2042
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:03,559
Speaker 10: to spend the money, and he's he's just to uh

2043
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:06,360
Speaker 10: prodgity or just stuck in his ways to do it,

2044
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:08,320
Speaker 10: and that's I'll take. I'll take the answer off.

2045
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:12,439
Speaker 2: Thanks, Patty. Look, I I'll tell you right now, this

2046
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 2: is the biggest mystery with this team is who's responsible

2047
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 2: for the fact that they're thirtieth in cash spinning? Is

2048
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:23,080
Speaker 2: it the owner or is that just the way the

2049
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 2: coach wants to run it?

2050
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 1: Right?

2051
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:27,799
Speaker 2: Like I, I wish we could give you a straight answer,

2052
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 2: but I almost don't feel comfortable picking a side because

2053
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 2: nobody knows. Nobody truly knows who's responsible for it. If

2054
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 2: I had to pick a side, I'd actually go right

2055
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:39,960
Speaker 2: down the middle. I would say that they're both in

2056
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,840
Speaker 2: line with the fact that you look at these these

2057
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 2: teams spend at three hundred million dollars, they don't need

2058
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:46,160
Speaker 2: to do this, like you know what I mean, Like

2059
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 2: I think that they Bill believes that they can cut

2060
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:52,520
Speaker 2: corners and Craft is happy to cut corners because obviously

2061
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 2: he makes more money that way, and so that they

2062
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:58,000
Speaker 2: I believe that they are aligned on this issue.

2063
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 1: I would say this was the adjective that was used

2064
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 1: for Bill Belichick's extension, lucrative.

2065
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So you think it's because Bill makes

2066
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:07,679
Speaker 2: so much money?

2067
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:11,719
Speaker 1: Uh well, I guess it's glass half full, glass half empty.

2068
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:13,680
Speaker 1: It's it's you could either look at that, as you know,

2069
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 1: Bill makes so much money, so Kraft feels like he's

2070
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 1: spending on the investing more of the coach. You shouldn't

2071
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:20,600
Speaker 1: have to invest more in the players. Or would a

2072
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 1: guy that's you know, cheap and air quotes pay a

2073
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:27,720
Speaker 1: coach that much money? Yeah? So, and that that could

2074
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:29,519
Speaker 1: be open for interm I leaned the second way.

2075
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:33,400
Speaker 2: So we did get an email, and I'll leave it alone.

2076
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 2: But okay, not the second part, Like you don't need

2077
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:39,840
Speaker 2: to do the snark part of the email, right, Like.

2078
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:40,680
Speaker 1: I just don't want to see it.

2079
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:43,799
Speaker 2: Just just like make the point that you want to make. Curious,

2080
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:47,080
Speaker 2: Like we talk a lot, like we have, there's a

2081
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:49,559
Speaker 2: lot of discussion we do, like eight hours a week

2082
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:53,200
Speaker 2: of radio on Patriots dot com. Like, just just save

2083
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:56,679
Speaker 2: your snark, right, Like, Okay, So we're talking yesterday about

2084
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 2: this whole issue, and I brought up, you know, the

2085
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:02,200
Speaker 2: easiest way to move money around in the NFL is

2086
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:04,720
Speaker 2: to confirm base salary into signing bonus, right.

2087
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:06,519
Speaker 1: And the Patriots really don't do that.

2088
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 2: A whole lot. They do, but they don't do a

2089
01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:11,200
Speaker 2: whole lot of it. They did in the Brady years

2090
01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 2: because they were trying to win Super Bowls and they're

2091
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:16,439
Speaker 2: maxing out their caps basically a little bit. They've never

2092
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:18,599
Speaker 2: done it as much as teams that spend a lot

2093
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 2: of money on the roster do. And this guy's saying,

2094
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 2: you know that that money eventually hits the cap. Yeah,

2095
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 2: all the money eventually hits the cap. The only point

2096
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 2: that I was trying to make is in the short term.

2097
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:31,920
Speaker 2: That's that's a way to create cap space in the

2098
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 2: immediate short term, okay, and it pro rates over the

2099
01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 2: life of the contract, so you're basically adding a little

2100
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:40,280
Speaker 2: bit here and a little bit there to each year.

2101
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:42,840
Speaker 2: I think they did this with with John Neus Smith,

2102
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 2: and I believe they did this with Judon to an

2103
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 2: extent as well. They've done it in the past with

2104
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 2: a couple of other guys. The point being, though, is

2105
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:54,720
Speaker 2: that if you're willing to dole out the cash, not

2106
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:59,320
Speaker 2: the cap, the cash, you can buy your way into anything.

2107
01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:02,760
Speaker 1: So that's people always say, oh, the restructuring of the contract.

2108
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:04,720
Speaker 1: Why doesn't you know every team do that? Because that

2109
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 1: you got to write a player check on the spot, right.

2110
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 2: It's you know, Fred made the point of it's real

2111
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:13,960
Speaker 2: time cash flow, right, and some owners have a lot

2112
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 2: more real time cash than other owners.

2113
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 1: And people forget about that. Like, I don't know if

2114
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 1: you saw what happened in baseball this weekend, Evan with

2115
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:23,200
Speaker 1: the San Diego Padres. They had to take out a

2116
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 1: loan for like fifty million dollars. They spent a lot

2117
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 1: of money, they did, and baseball is different, there's no cap,

2118
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:30,799
Speaker 1: but they'd take out a loan for fifty million dollars

2119
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:33,240
Speaker 1: because they they couldn't pay the players. Like playing it

2120
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 1: simple and a couple of years ago the Raiders, there

2121
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:36,960
Speaker 1: was an issue where they had all this cap space

2122
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 1: and people were saying, why aren't they signing anybody? And

2123
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:40,880
Speaker 1: there was a report that basically have no money. They

2124
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 1: didn't have the cash on hand to give guys signing bonuses.

2125
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 1: They had the cap space, but they didn't have the

2126
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 1: actual cash. So it is the thing that had like,

2127
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:49,720
Speaker 1: we don't think about that, but it is a thing

2128
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:50,240
Speaker 1: that happens.

2129
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that that's that's definitely part of it. But

2130
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:54,599
Speaker 2: the only point that I was trying to make was

2131
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:58,200
Speaker 2: that the signing bonuses into you know, base salary in

2132
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 2: the signing bonus conversions make a mediate cap space. Yes,

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01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:03,760
Speaker 2: And the thing is is that, oh, a lot of

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01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:05,719
Speaker 2: teams and I really want to get to the commander,

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01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:07,160
Speaker 2: so I don't want to go too long on this.

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01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:09,479
Speaker 2: A lot of teams do some more calls to h Yeah,

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01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:11,559
Speaker 2: and both of them are are from out of the country,

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01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:12,639
Speaker 2: which I always should take those.

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01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:13,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, we will.

2140
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 2: So a lot of teams will recognize now that outside

2141
01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:23,800
Speaker 2: the COVID you know, fiasco, that the cap is going

2142
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 2: up every single year. So if they move money into

2143
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:31,559
Speaker 2: the future and create money in the immediate they know

2144
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 2: that they are going to be able to absorb that

2145
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:34,640
Speaker 2: because the cap is just going to.

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01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:37,519
Speaker 1: Go up the d And we're getting in like economics here,

2147
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:42,599
Speaker 1: which I don't really understand, but basically, a dollar of

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01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 1: cap space in twenty twenty three, yes, is worth or

2149
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:51,720
Speaker 1: is the equivalent to call it, like eighty cents in

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01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:54,599
Speaker 1: cap space correct in twenty twenty five. So the idea

2151
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:58,920
Speaker 1: is we're pushing this money forward, but the money's not

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01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:03,760
Speaker 1: worth as much or did they hit you know, relatively

2153
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:07,720
Speaker 1: or to scale, eight million dollars is a bigger an

2154
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 1: eight million dollar cap hit in terms of percentage of

2155
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:12,880
Speaker 1: the cap is a bigger hit in twenty twenty three

2156
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:14,720
Speaker 1: versus if you take it in twenty twenty five. And

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01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:16,800
Speaker 1: that's kind of the idea behind the Void years too. Yep.

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01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:19,720
Speaker 2: So, and that's another And the Patriots hardly ever used

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01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:22,080
Speaker 2: void well, everybody kind of stopped using it. No, a

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01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:25,360
Speaker 2: lot of the Eagles used tons of void years. I

2161
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:27,040
Speaker 2: like the restructuring better than the Void years. The voy

2162
01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:30,280
Speaker 2: years well, but but the Void years restructuring doesn't create

2163
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:30,679
Speaker 2: as much.

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01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:32,599
Speaker 1: Compt But here here's what I would say to all

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01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, I think and we will talk more

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01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 1: about this in the offseason. You mentioned John new Smith

2167
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:41,000
Speaker 1: earlier and kind of the going out and spending on

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01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:45,360
Speaker 1: players and hit this time, right. The Hunter Henry john

2169
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:48,559
Speaker 1: Smith thing is interesting because they went one for two.

2170
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 1: They give out two big contracts, they went one for two.

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01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:52,679
Speaker 1: You're not gonna hit on every contract. Yeah. People throw

2172
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 1: Nelson Agler in that conversation as well. They made Nelson

2173
01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 1: Aglo the twenty second highest paid receiver in football.

2174
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got about that. He was a mid level player.

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01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:04,759
Speaker 1: I think that And this is more to the fans

2176
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:06,840
Speaker 1: than the team. I actually think the team understands this,

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01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:08,840
Speaker 1: just based on some moves they've made in the past.

2178
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 1: But when's the last time, you know, when team signed

2179
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:15,760
Speaker 1: those big contracts, people, oh my god, there's so much money.

2180
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:19,960
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous, Kirk, when's the last time one of those

2181
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:23,000
Speaker 1: big contracts the player was good and we still said

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01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 1: it was a bad contract. Never, like I said about

2183
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 1: Joe Tooney, like that was a hugere's there. There is

2184
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:30,760
Speaker 1: no such thing, and people are going to lose it

2185
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 1: as some of the taste of it. So one, let's

2186
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:35,360
Speaker 1: recap the NFL draft orders irrelevant, which is a bit

2187
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:38,320
Speaker 1: of a stretch. So to Thatay, it's one thing you're

2188
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:41,680
Speaker 1: picking twentieth, but fifty to third. I'm now going to say,

2189
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as a bad contract in the NFL.

2190
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:47,679
Speaker 1: It's just bad players. If the player plays well over

2191
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:50,360
Speaker 1: the course of the contract, it's not gonna look that bad.

2192
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, Oh my god, fifty million a year? Are

2193
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:55,439
Speaker 1: you kidding me? That's unheard of? What was he now

2194
01:40:55,479 --> 01:40:58,320
Speaker 1: like the eighth highest paid player quarterback in football? Was

2195
01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:00,000
Speaker 1: anybody mad about Patrick Mahomes' comment?

2196
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:00,160
Speaker 3: No?

2197
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 1: But there, How are the Chiefs gonna gonna stomach that

2198
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:04,679
Speaker 1: they're not gonna be able to get another fifty two players.

2199
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:06,800
Speaker 1: They're not gonna be able to afford it the high

2200
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:08,000
Speaker 1: quarterback football.

2201
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:10,680
Speaker 2: That part of it, like people that still believe that,

2202
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:14,000
Speaker 2: you know, Brady had to take last to spread the money,

2203
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 2: like you you must still believe in Santa Claus like that.

2204
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 2: That part of it is just not like that's been

2205
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:21,640
Speaker 2: proven over and over and over again really quickly. On

2206
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 2: the void years thing, though, U so void years. I

2207
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:27,519
Speaker 2: think the one thing about void years is is that

2208
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:30,920
Speaker 2: that that you don't risk much of the bill coming

2209
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:33,200
Speaker 2: do in that sense, if you just re up the

2210
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:34,719
Speaker 2: player before the contract void.

2211
01:41:34,840 --> 01:41:36,160
Speaker 1: That's true, there's I don't.

2212
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:39,880
Speaker 2: So that's the thing is like, if you're if you

2213
01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:43,280
Speaker 2: tack on void years to a really really good players contract,

2214
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:45,720
Speaker 2: like a young, really good player.

2215
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:47,040
Speaker 1: You gotta do it for young player. You can't do

2216
01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:49,080
Speaker 1: it for older players you might retire. Well, they did

2217
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:51,920
Speaker 1: that with mccordy. But the reason why is because they

2218
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:54,519
Speaker 1: were going year to year with Devin so they knew

2219
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:57,080
Speaker 1: that they were going to get the contract done for

2220
01:41:57,120 --> 01:41:59,200
Speaker 1: the next year if he was coming back before the

2221
01:41:59,240 --> 01:42:02,879
Speaker 1: contract where the yea. So if you're like, let's, for example,

2222
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:05,240
Speaker 1: just use the Cincinnati Bengals, because I think they had

2223
01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:08,000
Speaker 1: they're a good example right now, if they were to

2224
01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:11,880
Speaker 1: tack void years onto Joe Burrow's contract to space out

2225
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:14,120
Speaker 1: the cap hits, right, and to space out the cap

2226
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:19,160
Speaker 1: dollars in five years when Joe Burrow's contract expires, they're

2227
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:22,240
Speaker 1: re signing Joe Burrow right, Like, he's not hitting the

2228
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:25,519
Speaker 1: open market, so the contract is never gonna avoid So

2229
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:28,519
Speaker 1: now the can just kicks gets kicked down the road again, right,

2230
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:31,200
Speaker 1: And that's the whole thing is like everybody always says

2231
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:33,599
Speaker 1: to me, like the bill, the bill eventually comes due.

2232
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:37,280
Speaker 1: And I always use the same analogy, like it's not

2233
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 1: like some you know, bully is coming to collect, Like

2234
01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:43,000
Speaker 1: nobody's coming to collect. It's never collected. As long as

2235
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:45,800
Speaker 1: you continue to manage it. That's basically where it comes to.

2236
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:47,840
Speaker 1: You have to constantly manage it. And that's kind of

2237
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:50,160
Speaker 1: what the people point to the Rams as the example. Right,

2238
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:52,800
Speaker 1: they had to tear down their roster. They didn't manage it.

2239
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:55,439
Speaker 1: They just signed all these they went all in, heavily

2240
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 1: loaded future deals and then let them all hit the

2241
01:42:58,000 --> 01:42:58,559
Speaker 1: cap at once.

2242
01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that you can do. They paid for a

2243
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:02,320
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, right, and they won?

2244
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:02,640
Speaker 3: Right.

2245
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:07,200
Speaker 2: Tim is in Sydney, Australia. What's up, Tim?

2246
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:08,599
Speaker 3: What's happening on fellow?

2247
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:12,280
Speaker 1: What time is it there? Yeah? Right?

2248
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:14,960
Speaker 3: Uh quarter to three in the morning.

2249
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:19,880
Speaker 1: I love that, Tim, That's awesome. Let's go m That's

2250
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:20,680
Speaker 1: what I want to hear.

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01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:23,320
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, So I've got I've got Madden on the

2252
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 3: PlayStation and I've got you guys on the phone.

2253
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:26,599
Speaker 1: Yes are you?

2254
01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:31,240
Speaker 2: Are you just best friend? Like, go ahead a night.

2255
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:32,719
Speaker 2: What do you got.

2256
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:34,240
Speaker 10: So?

2257
01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:36,599
Speaker 3: I've got a stull names for you all right before

2258
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:39,160
Speaker 3: you agents at the end of the Sea. I heard

2259
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:42,799
Speaker 3: you mentioned Higgins before. What do you reckon Mike, Kevin,

2260
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:49,520
Speaker 3: Quise Brown, Calvin Ridley, Michael Pittman, Ate Davis kJ Osborne,

2261
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:52,240
Speaker 3: Tyler Boy. If they don't sign, if they don't really

2262
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:54,559
Speaker 3: sign with their team, who gives us the best chance

2263
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:55,120
Speaker 3: going forward?

2264
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:57,960
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Tim, and thanks for staying up to listen.

2265
01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:02,680
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. So I think so Calvin Ridley's a

2266
01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:05,600
Speaker 2: free agent. I didn't realize that.

2267
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:06,200
Speaker 1: Uh.

2268
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:09,559
Speaker 2: I think that he's probably the best fit for them,

2269
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,559
Speaker 2: but my guess is that he remains in Jackson.

2270
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:13,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2271
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:18,360
Speaker 2: So I'm not a big I I like Pittman as

2272
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:21,960
Speaker 2: a player, not not a big fit guy for Pittman,

2273
01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:27,960
Speaker 2: I worry about big body X receiver. I in some

2274
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:30,720
Speaker 2: ways like I just don't love that fit. And I

2275
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:32,960
Speaker 2: think that T. Higgins is just a better player, so

2276
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:33,880
Speaker 2: he might transcend.

2277
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:39,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so I would say that there's a lot

2278
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:42,080
Speaker 1: of Mike. Evan has been really impressive this year. He

2279
01:44:42,120 --> 01:44:44,879
Speaker 1: had every reason to tap out and he's been awesome.

2280
01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:47,720
Speaker 1: And if he can beat I don't know that I'd

2281
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:50,200
Speaker 1: give him five years. But if they are gonna do

2282
01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:53,160
Speaker 1: the thing of we're gonna bring back mac Jones back

2283
01:44:53,200 --> 01:44:54,680
Speaker 1: on the last year and really see what we can do.

2284
01:44:55,280 --> 01:44:57,000
Speaker 1: Mike Evans on like a two or three year deal

2285
01:44:57,040 --> 01:44:59,000
Speaker 1: would make sense. I I could get into Mike Evans,

2286
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:00,920
Speaker 1: the sneaky interest name he put in there, and he

2287
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:02,960
Speaker 1: kind of snuck it at the end. Yeah. I like

2288
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:07,599
Speaker 1: Tyler Boyd for them. He's older, he's yeah, Tyler Boyd,

2289
01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:11,960
Speaker 1: he's like thirty. I don't think so he is, he's

2290
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:12,479
Speaker 1: twenty eight.

2291
01:45:12,840 --> 01:45:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of I feel like there's not

2292
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 2: you know, he's had a lot of.

2293
01:45:16,120 --> 01:45:18,320
Speaker 1: Money, he's got he he reminds me a lot of

2294
01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:21,559
Speaker 1: Jacobe Myers. Yeah, in that sense. And if if they like,

2295
01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:23,160
Speaker 1: let's say they found a way to move on from

2296
01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:25,800
Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster, but they still want that kind of player. Yeah.

2297
01:45:25,800 --> 01:45:28,680
Speaker 1: I don't think you taught you signed Tyler Boyd and

2298
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:31,880
Speaker 1: your wide receiver room is fixed. But if it was

2299
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:33,519
Speaker 1: like Mike Evans and Tyler Boyd.

2300
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:34,680
Speaker 2: Okay, So let me ask you this.

2301
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:41,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kendrick Bourne or Tyler Boyd ken Uh, it's tough

2302
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:43,679
Speaker 1: because of the knee fully healthy Kendrick Bourne.

2303
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:45,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that that that's the player.

2304
01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:49,080
Speaker 1: So if if you feel like like Kendrick Bourne's knee, like,

2305
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:51,120
Speaker 1: isn't there if they were to come out with Mike

2306
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:54,800
Speaker 1: Evans Tyler Boyd to Mario Douglas. Yeah, it's a good

2307
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:55,760
Speaker 1: group's good.

2308
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:58,360
Speaker 2: I'd rather go younger, like I'd rather just pay for T. Higgins,

2309
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:00,720
Speaker 2: but I it's not money, so I know.

2310
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:03,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also just well this is more. It's like

2311
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:06,360
Speaker 1: the second signing, Like, I don't think you're not signing

2312
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:10,679
Speaker 1: Tyler Boyd instead of T Higgins. You're signing Mike Evans,

2313
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:13,720
Speaker 1: in said of T Higgins in this situation, we got one.

2314
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:16,280
Speaker 2: We're calling and I want to get going here. Claire

2315
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:18,439
Speaker 2: is in the UK. What's up Claire?

2316
01:46:19,560 --> 01:46:25,280
Speaker 11: Hi? Then Marine, I thought i'd ring in because you

2317
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:27,240
Speaker 11: were complaining that you didn't have women callers.

2318
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:31,479
Speaker 1: I know, objective question. We got to ask now that

2319
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:32,439
Speaker 1: what time is it there?

2320
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:35,840
Speaker 11: Oh, I see, I'm not I can't be as good.

2321
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:38,280
Speaker 8: It's only like a quarter to four in the afternoon.

2322
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:40,240
Speaker 8: So it's really nothing special here.

2323
01:46:41,120 --> 01:46:42,800
Speaker 1: That's so cool. I mean three in the morning.

2324
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:47,479
Speaker 8: It's yeah, I can't get the accolades that he has.

2325
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:51,439
Speaker 8: I can't complete it's it's just the afternoon.

2326
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:56,360
Speaker 11: What you got wellpecially Evan, thank you very much for

2327
01:46:56,400 --> 01:46:59,040
Speaker 11: doing a clip yesterday. Of course on the battle that

2328
01:46:59,080 --> 01:47:01,960
Speaker 11: I did send an email in because he seems really

2329
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:03,759
Speaker 11: appointed that I didn't have a tight in his question.

2330
01:47:04,040 --> 01:47:04,519
Speaker 1: That's true.

2331
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:05,519
Speaker 5: Obviously I've thought of.

2332
01:47:05,479 --> 01:47:07,559
Speaker 8: One, so I tried to drop an email, but with

2333
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:09,080
Speaker 8: the time and stuff, I thought i'd give you a.

2334
01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:11,559
Speaker 10: Quick call it, especially after you sort of seem to want.

2335
01:47:11,439 --> 01:47:15,960
Speaker 8: Female callers do. Whilst Brown is quickly becoming a steal

2336
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:18,920
Speaker 8: for the pages and like his skill set is evolving

2337
01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:20,479
Speaker 8: and I am really quite.

2338
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:21,280
Speaker 5: Excited by him.

2339
01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:25,719
Speaker 11: How can the Patriots utilize slash news GISECI more.

2340
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:26,360
Speaker 8: Than they are now?

2341
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:28,559
Speaker 11: What is their key? Tell them?

2342
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:33,080
Speaker 8: Because I was ecstatic by the signing going into the season,

2343
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:35,599
Speaker 8: and as you know, I just really want to see

2344
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:36,080
Speaker 8: him more.

2345
01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:37,280
Speaker 11: So I'll take it off there.

2346
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:40,400
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, great, Thanks Claire, appreciate it. Thanks for the car.

2347
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:44,800
Speaker 2: So what I have liked about the usage with Kisiki

2348
01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:47,639
Speaker 2: and the tight ends, and I should mention Pharaoh Brown

2349
01:47:47,880 --> 01:47:50,120
Speaker 2: didn't practice yesterday with a back injury.

2350
01:47:50,200 --> 01:47:53,600
Speaker 1: So this receiver best tight end Football Corner PFF qualifiers.

2351
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, this might be moot, but what I do like

2352
01:47:56,920 --> 01:47:59,280
Speaker 2: about what they've been doing is when they've been playing

2353
01:47:59,320 --> 01:48:01,080
Speaker 2: twelve you know, two tight ends on the field at

2354
01:48:01,080 --> 01:48:04,240
Speaker 2: the same time. It's been Pharaoh Brown as the inline

2355
01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:08,120
Speaker 2: guy with Gasiki or Henry instead of Gaziki and Henry

2356
01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:10,800
Speaker 2: together because clearly those two guys can't block together, right,

2357
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:13,479
Speaker 2: It's just two weaker blockers on the field at the

2358
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:15,920
Speaker 2: same time and it's not gonna work. So Pharaoh Brown

2359
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:17,560
Speaker 2: is now out there as like the hand in the

2360
01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:20,680
Speaker 2: dirt inline guy that allows them to use Kasiki and

2361
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:23,360
Speaker 2: Henry as more of the detached, you know, move piece

2362
01:48:23,479 --> 01:48:26,720
Speaker 2: at tight end, which I really like in terms of

2363
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:30,000
Speaker 2: Kasiki specifically, Well, one, if they need to get in

2364
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:33,200
Speaker 2: the red zone, because that's like, let's get the ball

2365
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:36,599
Speaker 2: into the red zone and actually use his zone threat, yeah,

2366
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:39,080
Speaker 2: like they did against Buffalo to win the game. You know,

2367
01:48:39,120 --> 01:48:41,800
Speaker 2: that would be a step one, step two. I think

2368
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:44,680
Speaker 2: what it has been disappointing is the lack of like

2369
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:49,640
Speaker 2: seam and crossers. Tokaiki Gasiki is not He's not like

2370
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:51,679
Speaker 2: a sudden route runner, like he's not like a guy

2371
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:53,640
Speaker 2: that's gonna break you down and make moves at the

2372
01:48:53,640 --> 01:48:56,120
Speaker 2: top of the route to get open. He's a straight line,

2373
01:48:56,160 --> 01:48:59,640
Speaker 2: speed like explosive type of tight end and then obviously

2374
01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:02,599
Speaker 2: you know he's above the rim, so I would you know,

2375
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:04,200
Speaker 2: I was really hoping, and I think we saw it

2376
01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:06,000
Speaker 2: a little bit in camp, don't you feel like we did,

2377
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:07,960
Speaker 2: like the seam shots and things like.

2378
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:09,640
Speaker 1: That, so we thought I was Remember we had the

2379
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:13,559
Speaker 1: whole conversation about who's going to stretch the field and yeah, yeah.

2380
01:49:13,439 --> 01:49:15,719
Speaker 2: And they just haven't really gotten into that very much.

2381
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:18,439
Speaker 2: So that's what I would like to see. More Gaziki

2382
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:21,240
Speaker 2: up the seam, a play action and then have him

2383
01:49:21,280 --> 01:49:24,280
Speaker 2: be the guy that's like running behind the linebackers, whether

2384
01:49:24,320 --> 01:49:26,519
Speaker 2: it's up the seam it's a crossing route, because I

2385
01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:28,720
Speaker 2: think he's the fastest guy of the three, and I

2386
01:49:28,720 --> 01:49:30,000
Speaker 2: think he's probably the best guy.

2387
01:49:30,280 --> 01:49:30,880
Speaker 1: Well I don't know.

2388
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:33,360
Speaker 2: I take back best guy after the catch because Farah

2389
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:35,640
Speaker 2: Brown has just been an app you can't tackle, you

2390
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:37,120
Speaker 2: just have to hold on for dear life and wait

2391
01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:37,320
Speaker 2: for me.

2392
01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:37,559
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2393
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:39,800
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I won't say that, but he's definitely the

2394
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:42,960
Speaker 2: most explosive in a straight line before the catch shout

2395
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:44,600
Speaker 2: out of any of these guys. So that stretched the

2396
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:46,439
Speaker 2: field a little bit with Kasiki, That's where I would

2397
01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:49,000
Speaker 2: go with that. So we have ten minutes. I wanted

2398
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:52,000
Speaker 2: to do almost twenty minutes on the Commander, so we

2399
01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:55,000
Speaker 2: have to condense this to ten minutes. So I have

2400
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:57,040
Speaker 2: two things about the Commanders I want to talk about

2401
01:49:57,120 --> 01:49:58,640
Speaker 2: in terms of this game and in terms of the

2402
01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:01,559
Speaker 2: big picture. H you want to start offense defense? Which

2403
01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:04,519
Speaker 2: one offense for Patriots are? Sorry, oh, I don't know,

2404
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 2: pick one man? Okay, offense for the Commanders. I really

2405
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:11,200
Speaker 2: really like Eric Bienemy. I like what he's dialing up.

2406
01:50:12,240 --> 01:50:15,760
Speaker 2: Sam Howl. Sam Howe stinks. Okay, he's not very good.

2407
01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:19,080
Speaker 2: Sam how holds the ball forever. Uh, he can't. Every

2408
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:21,439
Speaker 2: time you move him off his spot and he has

2409
01:50:21,479 --> 01:50:24,320
Speaker 2: to reset and throw the ball goes all over the

2410
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:27,000
Speaker 2: place like he's like there's like wide open wide receivers

2411
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:30,040
Speaker 2: down the field and they're like digging out grounders because

2412
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:31,880
Speaker 2: he all because he had to move a little bit

2413
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:34,800
Speaker 2: to his left right. So Sam Hel's not very good.

2414
01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:37,559
Speaker 2: Their offense statistically is not very good. They're like twenty

2415
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:39,400
Speaker 2: six in the league in DVA. I'm not trying to

2416
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:42,120
Speaker 2: tell you that he's like turning, you know, water into

2417
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:46,280
Speaker 2: wine completely, but he's brought the Andy Reid playbook to Washington,

2418
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:50,160
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of fun scheme stuff going on

2419
01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:52,960
Speaker 2: in Washington right now. And their receivers are actually pretty good.

2420
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:55,559
Speaker 2: Like I think Terry McLaurin and Johan Dotson can play.

2421
01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:59,000
Speaker 2: Logan Thomas is a decent receiving tight end. I had

2422
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:02,439
Speaker 2: some person, Samuel had some sneaky fun watching this Commander's offense.

2423
01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:05,000
Speaker 2: They do a lot of things that put defenses in

2424
01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:08,280
Speaker 2: binds from a pass game perspective. And they chuck it, man.

2425
01:51:08,360 --> 01:51:10,640
Speaker 2: I mean, they're they're first in the league and dropbacks

2426
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:13,120
Speaker 2: they're fourth in the league and early down pass rate.

2427
01:51:13,640 --> 01:51:15,720
Speaker 2: They throw the ball and they throw it a lot,

2428
01:51:16,160 --> 01:51:18,599
Speaker 2: and I like that, you know, I like that. That's

2429
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:19,400
Speaker 2: an analytics thing.

2430
01:51:19,479 --> 01:51:22,160
Speaker 1: And what's what's really interesting about it is they have

2431
01:51:22,280 --> 01:51:24,839
Speaker 1: five players with more than twenty catches and eight players

2432
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:26,960
Speaker 1: more with more one hundred yards this season. They're spreading

2433
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:29,360
Speaker 1: that thing out. It's not I mean, and Bill kind

2434
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:31,360
Speaker 1: of talked about this yesterday when we were asking about

2435
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:34,120
Speaker 1: mclarty's Like, mclaurin's good, but they'll get the ball to

2436
01:51:34,120 --> 01:51:37,000
Speaker 1: the other guys too. This is not an offense that's

2437
01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:40,120
Speaker 1: funneled through one spot. Yeah, and that for a team

2438
01:51:40,160 --> 01:51:42,639
Speaker 1: that has the injuries on defense like the Patriots, specially

2439
01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:44,240
Speaker 1: in the second area, that can be tough. Everybody's got

2440
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:46,400
Speaker 1: to show up. You're gonna need Jack Jones in this game.

2441
01:51:46,439 --> 01:51:49,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna need John Jones in this game. Yeah, You're

2442
01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:51,840
Speaker 1: gonna need whoever the third corner ends up at jac

2443
01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:52,519
Speaker 1: Jackson in this game.

2444
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:52,800
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2445
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:55,120
Speaker 1: I just blanked on that. So I'm across the board.

2446
01:51:55,320 --> 01:51:58,760
Speaker 2: I'm worried about this game from a from that standpoint

2447
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:03,680
Speaker 2: because a defensively for the Patriots, that the enemy is

2448
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:07,080
Speaker 2: running the system that the Eagles beat the Patriots with

2449
01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:09,599
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl, that the Chiefs always put points

2450
01:52:09,640 --> 01:52:12,360
Speaker 2: up against the Patriots with, whether it was Nick Foles,

2451
01:52:12,360 --> 01:52:15,360
Speaker 2: Alex Smith, Patrick Mahomes, you name it. That that Andy

2452
01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:18,880
Speaker 2: Reid Tree is it was able to find winners against

2453
01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:21,840
Speaker 2: the Patriots, and that that's the thing is like I

2454
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:24,200
Speaker 2: think when you say oh with the Chiefs, like obviously

2455
01:52:24,200 --> 01:52:26,799
Speaker 2: they gave up points to Patrick Mahomes, I mean, big whoop.

2456
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:29,120
Speaker 2: But like Nick Foles also went up and down the

2457
01:52:29,120 --> 01:52:31,800
Speaker 2: field on he in the Super Bowl, right, So this

2458
01:52:31,880 --> 01:52:35,320
Speaker 2: is a defense that or an offense. Excuse me, that

2459
01:52:35,800 --> 01:52:38,360
Speaker 2: Eric b enemy is gonna I think call the game

2460
01:52:38,439 --> 01:52:41,400
Speaker 2: a lot like those past games, and he's gonna have

2461
01:52:41,479 --> 01:52:43,920
Speaker 2: all those beaters ready to go. They run a lot

2462
01:52:43,960 --> 01:52:46,600
Speaker 2: of mesh, which Josh McDaniels did against in in that

2463
01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:49,439
Speaker 2: Raiders game. He had, you know, Michael Mayer running wide

2464
01:52:49,479 --> 01:52:51,000
Speaker 2: open away from man coverage.

2465
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:51,559
Speaker 1: Like there.

2466
01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:54,800
Speaker 2: There's gonna be some problems that they're gonna present for

2467
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:58,599
Speaker 2: the Patriots defensively. And I think if you're the Patriots defense,

2468
01:52:59,240 --> 01:53:01,080
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to do some things that b en

2469
01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:03,720
Speaker 2: Me is not expecting you to do from a coverage standpoint,

2470
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:06,200
Speaker 2: like if you just sit in man coverage here or

2471
01:53:06,280 --> 01:53:08,439
Speaker 2: a post safety zone the whole game. He's gonna have

2472
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:11,479
Speaker 2: all that crap ready to go, like wheel routes to

2473
01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:14,679
Speaker 2: the running backs, mesh, you know, flooding the deep part

2474
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:17,080
Speaker 2: of Cover three like that. That's what that team does.

2475
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:20,360
Speaker 2: That's what that that offense does. That scheme has done

2476
01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:22,880
Speaker 2: against the Patriots, And and the Pats are gonna be

2477
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:26,439
Speaker 2: in trouble if they just run it basic and they're

2478
01:53:26,439 --> 01:53:29,080
Speaker 2: gonna have to uh hie, Paul uh, They're gonna have

2479
01:53:29,120 --> 01:53:31,760
Speaker 2: to do They're gonna have to do it differently. I

2480
01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:34,920
Speaker 2: think Maybeards maybe do a little bit differently we do.

2481
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:37,880
Speaker 2: We argue about that enough on PU on the other

2482
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:40,439
Speaker 2: side of the oh, really quickly, on b enemy next.

2483
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:42,760
Speaker 1: Head coach, he'd be on my short list. He'd be

2484
01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:46,640
Speaker 1: mind to the external guys for me? Are I know,

2485
01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:49,320
Speaker 1: for Abel's like not super realistic, but yeah him. I

2486
01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:52,080
Speaker 1: don't know if n Me's realistic either, Ben Ben Johnson,

2487
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:54,680
Speaker 1: Eric b Me. That's like off those would be the

2488
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:55,960
Speaker 1: top three guys off the top of my head.

2489
01:53:56,120 --> 01:53:59,679
Speaker 2: I would I would be really cool with Eric bne

2490
01:53:59,720 --> 01:54:02,080
Speaker 2: Me be here if that was the way they went.

2491
01:54:02,160 --> 01:54:03,120
Speaker 1: Now is it realistic?

2492
01:54:03,240 --> 01:54:03,479
Speaker 3: Is it?

2493
01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:06,800
Speaker 1: You know? No, not really, but I'd be cool. Well,

2494
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:10,439
Speaker 1: I'll say this, if there is an argument for happening.

2495
01:54:11,400 --> 01:54:14,760
Speaker 1: Clearly teams aren't over the top about hiring him for

2496
01:54:14,840 --> 01:54:20,799
Speaker 1: reasons that you know are out there. But it's maybe

2497
01:54:20,880 --> 01:54:22,759
Speaker 1: Washington changes it and he is more of a market

2498
01:54:22,760 --> 01:54:24,200
Speaker 1: than he did in the past. But he clearly hadn't

2499
01:54:24,200 --> 01:54:26,360
Speaker 1: had much of a head coaching market, So I don't know.

2500
01:54:26,439 --> 01:54:28,280
Speaker 1: I mean, look like I said, I don't he should

2501
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:31,120
Speaker 1: have a market, but he does it. If no other

2502
01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:34,360
Speaker 1: team wants him, it's like great, fine take him here.

2503
01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:37,040
Speaker 2: Then yeah, like I said, statistically, their offense is not

2504
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:40,240
Speaker 2: anything special. But when you watch the film and you

2505
01:54:40,280 --> 01:54:42,480
Speaker 2: watch the scheme and you watch the conflict, and then

2506
01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:45,920
Speaker 2: you also watch you know, how he's made Sam Howell like, Okay,

2507
01:54:46,040 --> 01:54:46,720
Speaker 2: well that would.

2508
01:54:46,560 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 1: Be the thing you say, it's not statistically exceptional. What

2509
01:54:50,440 --> 01:54:53,280
Speaker 1: happens if you put in an upgrade over Sam Howe?

2510
01:54:53,400 --> 01:54:54,080
Speaker 1: Right quarterbacks?

2511
01:54:54,080 --> 01:54:56,880
Speaker 2: Oh I R thing can pull that off, which I

2512
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,360
Speaker 2: think they're going to try to because they just traded

2513
01:54:59,360 --> 01:54:59,880
Speaker 2: their two best.

2514
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:02,280
Speaker 1: They're gonna be When I said before, like, you know,

2515
01:55:02,440 --> 01:55:03,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter where you're picking. If you want the

2516
01:55:03,960 --> 01:55:05,360
Speaker 1: guy at three, you move up, you take them three,

2517
01:55:05,400 --> 01:55:06,840
Speaker 1: they are gonna be one of the teams that's doing that.

2518
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:09,960
Speaker 2: Drake may and that offense would be would be something

2519
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:12,600
Speaker 2: that would be something Williams and that offensive. Yeah, but

2520
01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:14,720
Speaker 2: that eleven to one is like like if that's where

2521
01:55:14,720 --> 01:55:16,840
Speaker 2: they're picking, and now maybe the bottom falls out because

2522
01:55:16,840 --> 01:55:18,240
Speaker 2: they traded those guys, but or.

2523
01:55:18,200 --> 01:55:21,360
Speaker 1: Maybe Caleb Williams stock keeps falling. Yeah, I'm saying like,

2524
01:55:21,440 --> 01:55:23,160
Speaker 1: if I'm Caleb Williams, that's where I want to go

2525
01:55:23,200 --> 01:55:25,400
Speaker 1: because that's the cop. Yeah, that's the cop is Patrick

2526
01:55:25,400 --> 01:55:27,160
Speaker 1: Mahomes And and and if I'm bim me if he

2527
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:30,400
Speaker 1: falls beyond one, I'm clamoring to get up to two togain.

2528
01:55:30,600 --> 01:55:33,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, all right, really quickly. On the Commander's defense, obviously,

2529
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:37,440
Speaker 2: they just traded their two best edge rushers and.

2530
01:55:37,240 --> 01:55:39,800
Speaker 1: They still have two of the best defensive front players

2531
01:55:39,800 --> 01:55:41,320
Speaker 1: in the league. So that's where I was going.

2532
01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:45,200
Speaker 2: Uh, this game from that point of view, Uh, Doron

2533
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:48,480
Speaker 2: Payne and Jonathan Allen petrify b in this game. Uh,

2534
01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:54,000
Speaker 2: Jonathan Allen against Cole Strange is a mighty mismatch, a huge,

2535
01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:57,520
Speaker 2: huge mismatch in the Commander's favor. And Uh, that one

2536
01:55:57,520 --> 01:56:00,560
Speaker 2: concerns me because those two guys are also more like

2537
01:56:00,760 --> 01:56:05,920
Speaker 2: power long physical players, like they're not necessarily get off guys,

2538
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:08,080
Speaker 2: like they're more like pushed the pocket and compress the

2539
01:56:08,120 --> 01:56:11,600
Speaker 2: pocket guys. I I am trying hard to find a

2540
01:56:11,600 --> 01:56:14,880
Speaker 2: world where Mac Jones doesn't have Jonathan Allen in his

2541
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:18,160
Speaker 2: lap the entire game. Like, I just I don't really

2542
01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:21,920
Speaker 2: see how that doesn't happen, So that that's troubling. We

2543
01:56:21,960 --> 01:56:24,080
Speaker 2: had an emailer that email did and said, like, maybe

2544
01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:26,440
Speaker 2: this is a game where on when it was actually

2545
01:56:26,440 --> 01:56:29,480
Speaker 2: better off at guard just because of that matchup, and

2546
01:56:29,560 --> 01:56:32,200
Speaker 2: like you, you know, I'm not as worried about the tackles.

2547
01:56:32,240 --> 01:56:34,400
Speaker 2: My guess is or you know, the ends. My guess

2548
01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:37,160
Speaker 2: is that they'll probably stick to the continuity and try

2549
01:56:37,160 --> 01:56:41,160
Speaker 2: to keep building with tackle. But it sound reasoning because

2550
01:56:41,200 --> 01:56:44,640
Speaker 2: that's where they're in trouble in this matchup. I think,

2551
01:56:44,760 --> 01:56:47,120
Speaker 2: you know, the Commander's pass defense is like thirty first

2552
01:56:47,120 --> 01:56:50,240
Speaker 2: in the league. In DVA, they're like down near the

2553
01:56:50,240 --> 01:56:52,240
Speaker 2: bottom of the league and scoring defense, which is why

2554
01:56:52,280 --> 01:56:54,120
Speaker 2: they trained those guys and are kind of, you know,

2555
01:56:54,200 --> 01:56:57,040
Speaker 2: a boarding mission on that whole defensive line load up

2556
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Speaker 2: on the d line strategy. H Emmanuel Forbes is be

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Speaker 2: benched and has been awful. A shocker.

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Speaker 1: One thing that we were very right about. The thing

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Speaker 1: when we consens us on a draft pick, we usually

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Speaker 1: end up being right. There's not many guys that we

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Speaker 1: both agreed on being a hit that weren't hits.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and soh so that that's a this past defense

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Speaker 2: can be had. Yeah, And you mentioned Pop Douglas getting

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Speaker 2: more attention against Miami. I think in this matchup, this

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Speaker 2: is the first time I was trying to go back

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Speaker 2: and remember the last time that I wrote a Patriots

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Speaker 2: receiver in key matchups having an advantage over a defense, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know, I can't remember the last time

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Speaker 2: I thought that to my but I think Pop Douglas

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Speaker 2: against the interior players, you know, the linebackers, the slot

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Speaker 2: corners of the commanders is a mismatch. I think that

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Speaker 2: Pop Douglas should win that matchup. But are they going

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Speaker 2: to be able to keep mac Jones up?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's so quick that it won't matter, but in

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01:57:54,720 --> 01:57:57,600
Speaker 2: retrospect it's I am very worried about Deron Payn and

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01:57:57,640 --> 01:58:00,400
Speaker 2: Jonathan Allen up the middle on this Patriots offensive. And

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be a nice test for Strange, who I

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Speaker 2: would admit I've kind of given up on and City. So, like,

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Speaker 2: let's see if City so can hold up as well.

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Speaker 2: It's a good matchup for them. It'll be fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean i'd agree with all that. I

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Speaker 1: just think, again, you can put up points on this

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01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:19,440
Speaker 1: defense if somehow, if they can contain Jonathan Allen drew

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Speaker 1: On pain.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they should be able to move the ball. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: just see if they can do it. All Right, that

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Speaker 2: does it for us. Peu is up next, so don't

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Speaker 2: go anywhere. We're gonna start pee you here in a

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Speaker 2: few minutes, but for Alex, I'm Evan Lazar. Thanks for listening.

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