1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: This is the Blueberg day Bag. 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 3: You're podcast Good morning, It's Monday, the thirteenth of July. 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 3: I'm Caroline hepkea in London and. 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm Stephen Caroline Brussels. Coming up today a straight standstill. 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: Traffic through hor Moves once again slows to a trickle 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: as the US and Iran trade fresh strikes. 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 3: European countries report thousands of deaths linked to this year's 9 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 3: record breaking heat waves. 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: Plus Burnham considers going big. The UK's soon to be 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: Prime minister contemplates a bumper budget later this year. 12 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 13 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: The United States has attacked Iran for the fourth time 14 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: in a week, with Tehran once again launching strikes and 15 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: retaliation across the Middle East. The US military says it 16 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: bombed dozens of Iranian targets, including air defense systems and 17 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: coastal radar sites. Iran State News agency says the country's 18 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: retaliatory operations are continuing, with reports of attacks on Jordan's 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: Prince Hassan airbase and on commercial ships. Tehran also claims 20 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: the Strait of Hormuz is now closed speaking to ABC's 21 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: This Week program, US Ambassador to the UN Mike Woltz 22 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: says Iran is attempting to hold the world hostage. 23 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 4: Think Iran is still very much of the mindset that 24 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 4: it can use the global economy as some type of leverage. 25 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 4: We've not just the United States, but we've said here 26 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 4: at the United Nations, one hundred and forty three nations 27 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 4: have stood together and said what Iran is doing is 28 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 4: in violation of international law. Regardless of whether your party 29 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 4: to some conflict, you cannot start shooting in all directions, 30 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 4: attacking your neighbors, attacking civilian shipping. 31 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: Mike Well spoke to ABC as there was almost no 32 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: visible traffic in the Straight offmus today, despite US insistence 33 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 1: that the waterway remains open. Data analyzed by bloom showed 34 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: six commodity carriers traveling through the Straight on Sunday, all 35 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: with their transponders turned off. 36 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 3: The latest strikes in the Middle East have revived concerns 37 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 3: that higher energy prices will keep inflation elevated and rates 38 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: higher for longer. Brent Krude climbed close to eighty dollars 39 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 3: a barrel as treasuries dropped across the curve. Meanwhile, the 40 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 3: dollar strengthened against its peers on speculation that the US 41 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 3: Federal Reserve will now be forced to raise rates to 42 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 3: cool inflationary pressure. With all eyes now on the latest 43 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 3: USCPI reading out tomorrow. That also made non yielding precious 44 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 3: metals less appealing, sending gold and silver lower. 45 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: Europe recorded more than ten thousand excess deaths during the 46 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: record breaking heat wave at the end of June. Data 47 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: from monitoring service Urumomo shows the vast majority of those 48 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: were among people aged sixty five and above. It comes 49 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: as a separate study shows heat waves may have led 50 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: to over two thousand, seven hundred debts in England in 51 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: Wales alone. Doctor Claire Bien from Imperial College London is 52 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: co author of the report. 53 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 5: We know for a fact that the number of people 54 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 5: dying during heat waves will continue to increase as long 55 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 5: as the number and the intensity of heat waves continue 56 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 5: to increase, and that will continue to be the case 57 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 5: as long as we keep putting fossil fuels into the 58 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 5: atmosphere and keep increasing global warming. 59 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: Barnes's comments were echoed by the WHL, which warned that 60 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: extreme temperatures are a quote dress rehearsal for what's to come. 61 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 3: Andy Burnham is considering a mega fiscal event should he 62 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: come to power, buttons presumed next Prime Minister is being 63 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 3: lobbied by allies to look at a land tax and 64 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 3: public ownership of utilities. Labour MP miatafan Bula tells the 65 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 3: BBC that the new administration needs to do more than 66 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 3: the previous one. 67 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 6: It's unprecedented to have had a decade and a half 68 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 6: in which people's living standards have been squeeze. Pay packets 69 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 6: are flat lined and the cost of essentials are rising. 70 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: People at breaking points. 71 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 6: And so for me my criticism was yes, change, but 72 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 6: the pace and scale of it needs to be much 73 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 6: greater to meet the demand of the country. That's certainly 74 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 6: what I heard from my constituents and that's the thing 75 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 6: I think we have to address going forward. 76 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 3: Van Booler is one of the politicians working on Burnham's 77 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 3: economic policy. Burnham is on course to take over from 78 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 3: Keir Starmer next Monday by his top team, and policy 79 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 3: plans are mostly unknown. 80 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: Staying in the UK police say they've arrested a twenty 81 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: eight year old man on suspicion of the murder of 82 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: former minister and reformer UK politician Anne Where to come 83 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: Devil and Cornwell Police as Matthlanman is the Assistant Chief 84 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: Constable leading the operation. 85 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 7: At this point, there is still no information to suggest 86 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 7: that this is a terrorism related incident and at this 87 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 7: point we are not looking for anyone else in connection 88 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 7: with this murder. We retain primacy of this investigation and 89 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 7: detectives remain open minded about the potential motive. 90 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: Stage. 91 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 7: There is nothing to suggest that was politically motivated. 92 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: System costiler Matt Langman. There British plantations have reacted with 93 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:09,679 Speaker 1: shocked to where it comes death. 94 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 2: The seventy eight. 95 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: Year old Foreign minister served in the nineteen nineties before 96 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: later leaving the party and joining the populist right wing 97 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: Reform UK. 98 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 3: Three prominent artificial intelligence developers release new models in the 99 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 3: past week, and while they promised to be more advanced, 100 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 3: all three are emphasizing reduced costs with more here's Bloomberg's 101 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 3: Uwan parts. 102 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 8: Only a few months ago, firms were encouraging employees to 103 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 8: outdo one another by using as much AI as possible, 104 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 8: but as more and more companies bulk at the resulting bills, 105 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 8: AI developers are stressing not just the power but also 106 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 8: the efficiency of THEIRNUE models. Opening says GBT five point 107 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 8: six completes more work while using significantly fewer tokens. GROCK 108 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 8: four point five from Elon Musk's space Xai is built 109 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 8: as having twice a token of vision its comparel models 110 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 8: from other firms a metaboss Mark. Zuckerberg recently told Bloomberg 111 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 8: that the pricing for its must Spark at one point 112 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 8: one is very attractive in London. 113 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 2: I'm you and pots to Bloomberg Radio. Those are top 114 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: storys for you today. 115 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 3: Sovereign yields, rising equities tumbling with what's happening in the 116 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 3: Middle East. The All Country World Index is currently down 117 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: by three tens of one percent. Brain Crew price is 118 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 3: up four and a half percent, trading at seventy nine 119 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,239 Speaker 3: dollars forty three. The dollar also strengthening on the Blueberg 120 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: Dollar spotlighted egs up a tenth of one percent. European 121 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 3: stock futures have dropped today, are down one percent right 122 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 3: now SMB five hundred EVENI futures also down six tens 123 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 3: of one percent. We're also back to these major swings 124 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 3: on the Cosby in South Korea currently down by seven 125 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 3: point five percent this morning, sk Heinex plunging almost fifteen percent, 126 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 3: two year treasury yields also hitting a sixteen month high, 127 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 3: so currently trading at four point five eight percent, up 128 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 3: by two basis points, and gold bullion prices are also slumping, 129 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: so trading at four thousand and sixty nine dollars. 130 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 2: Those are the markets. 131 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: In a moment, we'll bring you more on those latest 132 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: US strikes on Iran, plus how the surgeon oil prices 133 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: is causing a dilemma for the EU's sanctions on Russia. 134 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: What another story that caught our eye this morning. If 135 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: you're thinking about what you're going to read on the plane, train, 136 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: or beach in the coming weeks, thinking wistfully about your 137 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: summer holidays. Adam Riema has a selection of some top 138 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: reads about money from the Bloomberg Money newsletter. Inspired by 139 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: the success of Bell Burdens Stranger, a memoir of divorce 140 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: and financial betrayal that apparently is wrecking up huge sales 141 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: in the US now, he says that reading books about 142 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: money can be a good time to perhaps take some 143 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: of the longer term view on ideas like what money 144 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: really means? To you, what are the convictions that drive 145 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: your financial habits and what exactly are you trying to 146 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: achieve by working so hard? Caroline, that's the point. 147 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, well listen. Bell Burden's book is a huge hit 148 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 3: in London as well. The plenty of people are reading it, 149 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 3: although fewer who you know, have them maybe sixty million 150 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 3: dollars that she had and was trying to protect in 151 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 3: that sort of terrible tale. No, I think the recommendations 152 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 3: are really interesting. One that made me rather nostalgic Stephen 153 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 3: Susie Orman. Of course, she was, you know, in her 154 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 3: US Heyday USTv Heyday, teaching women how to be wealthy 155 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 3: women that being financially strong and independent could kind of 156 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 3: be married with purpose and happiness and generosity to other people. Yeah, 157 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: loads of great recommendations in this list. 158 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly. 159 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: I mean it kind of open some interesting cultural questions 160 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: as well about your askit you to money? Do you 161 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: want to be thinking about money while you're on your holidays? 162 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: Always you're right to be just thinking about you know, 163 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: what you're going to do this afternoon, or when when 164 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: you might be able to squeeze in a nap between 165 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: other commitments. 166 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: You know it depends. 167 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 3: If the cocktails are all inclusive or not. 168 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: As my answers to. 169 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: That, different financial calculations happening there as well. We'll put 170 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 1: a link to the Bloomberg Money newsletter in our podcast 171 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: show Notes. Let's turn back to our top story this 172 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: morning and bring you the latest on events in the 173 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: Middle East. After the another round of US strikes we've 174 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: seen on Iran overnight and retaliation coming from Tehran as well. 175 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: Stuart Livingston Wallace, who heads our coverage of the Middle 176 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: East and North Africa, joins us now for more. Stuart, 177 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: what do we know then about this latest round of 178 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: strikes and the response from Iran? 179 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 9: I mean, it feels in much the same vein as 180 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 9: we've seen the last several days, except I would say 181 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 9: it does appear to have been an escalation, particularly from 182 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,599 Speaker 9: the US side. So I think day one of the 183 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 9: sort of the current round of ter and fro was 184 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 9: sort of something like eighty targets, and it was ninety 185 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 9: targets now, and then it was one hundred and forty targets. 186 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 9: We don't have a number for the most recent round, 187 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 9: but the direction of travel is sort of upwards and 188 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 9: that obviously poses some deep concerns from that side, and 189 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 9: then from the others. Qait and Bahrain has sort of 190 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 9: periodically been the targets for the retaliation, and then that 191 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 9: expanded now to Jordan, you know, and Katar I think 192 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 9: as well, and there were alerts elsewhere in the region. 193 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 9: So it feels like an escalation from that side. Now, 194 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 9: I must underline that it is nothing like what we 195 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 9: saw in the first month or two of the war, 196 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 9: but it is nonetheless a very concerning trend. And there 197 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 9: doesn't appear to be an obvious exit ramp for either side. 198 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 3: Indeed, And so what is the situation in the Strait 199 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 3: of hor Moves? I mean, all prices are going up. 200 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 3: One side says that the strait is closed. What do 201 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 3: we know about it? 202 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 9: It's a really good question. I mean I don't have 203 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 9: a good answer. I mean I've sort of somewhat flippantly 204 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 9: been telling people the only way you're going to know 205 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 9: with any certainty what's going through hor Moves is to 206 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 9: sit on the shoreline with a pair of binoculars. Because 207 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 9: here's the problem. Most of the ships going through, or 208 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,119 Speaker 9: certainly many of the ships going through, have their transponder 209 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 9: shot off. And what that effectively means is that we 210 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 9: lose visibility on where they are, and that means that 211 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 9: often we're not picking up on the fact that they've 212 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 9: transitted until probably several days after they've gone through. So 213 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 9: to have a day to day snapshot of the traffic 214 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 9: through there is pretty much impossible. Both sides are obviously 215 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 9: coming out with different lines about what's going through. The Americans, 216 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 9: I think most recently said twenty ships are transitated. Yesterday, 217 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 9: Iran says the whole thing shut. I suspect the truth 218 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 9: is somewhere in between, but I don't have a definitive 219 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 9: answer for just what is going through. What I will say, 220 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 9: which sounds fairly self evident, is that you're going to 221 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 9: have to be a very brave captain to navigate your 222 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 9: vessel through that straight right now because of the amount 223 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 9: of firepower in the region and that is being utilized. 224 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: Sores. 225 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: In the context of all of that, I mean, what 226 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: does this escalation of strikes mean for the prospect of 227 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: any peace Sougs. 228 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 9: Yeah, again, a difficult one to answer. I mean, I 229 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 9: think we can still say with a degree of certainty 230 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 9: that the US, in particular, I think is eager for 231 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 9: some sort of dast arn't largely. I suppose a function 232 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 9: of gasoline prices, the midterms coming up, and then again 233 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 9: being no obvious way of winning this war completely. You know, 234 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 9: I think it's unlikely you're going to get total capitulation 235 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 9: from Iran, and then from the Iranian side, you know, 236 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 9: as I've said before, they've discovered this wonderful new leverage 237 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 9: over the world economy with you know, the threatening of 238 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 9: commercial shipping through Haull moves, and it's pretty clear that 239 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 9: they're not going to be willing to give that up 240 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 9: anytime soon. And so you sort of have this basical 241 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 9: an impasse between the two sides, and Iran is basically 242 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 9: working on the assumption that it's pain threshold, or its 243 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 9: willingness to absorb pain, is going to be a great 244 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 9: deal higher than the US and seems to be going 245 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 9: down that path. 246 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 10: Yeah. 247 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 3: Absolutely, so those US Iranian attacks persist and the uncertainty 248 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 3: does too set. Thank you so much for well doing 249 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 3: your best answer some of those very difficult questions, do it. 250 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 3: Livingston Wallets, who heads our coverage of the Middle East 251 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 3: and North Africa, thank you. 252 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: Stay with us. More from Bloomberg daybakeuope coming up after this. 253 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: Well here in Brussel's European foreign ministers will be grappling 254 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: with the developments in the Middle East when they meet 255 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: this morning. They're also going to be discussing the latest 256 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: sanctions package on Russia and our Brussels buroitys A Linch 257 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: is with me in studio for more. Now, Suzann, what 258 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: should we expecting to hear from ministers on the Iran war? 259 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: This is a conflict they've largely opposed, but they've suffered 260 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: the consequences of higher energy prices. 261 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 262 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 10: I mean, the Europeans have been dramatically affected by this 263 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 10: war that's obviously much more, much closer geographically than it 264 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 10: is to the US. But I think the sense has 265 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 10: been that they want to keep out of this, it's 266 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 10: not their war. At the same time, their language is 267 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 10: quite careful here. I mean last week at the Natio summit, 268 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 10: we saw Mark Rutte, the National Secutary General, besides Trump, 269 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 10: saying that he believed these US attacks on Iran were justified. 270 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 10: For example, we had the E three powers at Germany, 271 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 10: France in the UK the weekend calling for swift resumption 272 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 10: of commercial shipping in the straightform use and condemning Iranian 273 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 10: strikes in the area. So I think they're trying to 274 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 10: facilitate some kind of resumption of the ceasefire. The European 275 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 10: economy was already impacted by this by high energy prices 276 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 10: on individuals, on households and businesses, and this resurgence of 277 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 10: activity now is a real concern economically for the block. 278 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so there is a worry about what's happening 279 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 3: in the Middle East. But then ministers will also be 280 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 3: discussing more sanctions on Russia over the war in Ukraine, 281 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 3: as it seems there are preparations starting for winter for 282 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 3: further conflict. Now this also includes the price cap on 283 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: Russian oil that ministers are going to discuss. What is 284 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 3: at stake there. 285 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 10: Yes, so the twenty first sanctions package is the lazist 286 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,239 Speaker 10: package of successive sanctions that the EU has introduced against Russia. 287 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 10: But negotiations on the details of that have been ongoing 288 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 10: behind the scenes here in Brussels now for weeks. And 289 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 10: over the weekend you had a kind of a very 290 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 10: good example of EU policymaking at work. You had ambassadors 291 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 10: hold up for an extra meeting on Sunday to try 292 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 10: and get agreement on this twenty first Actions package and 293 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 10: they fail to. They have still not got agreement on 294 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 10: the details of that. Now there are various aspects to that. 295 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 10: There is the Russian oil cap and that's the at 296 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 10: the moment crude oil the cap it's just over forty 297 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 10: four dollars per barrel, but that's set to increase on 298 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 10: July fifteenth if a decision is not made on that, 299 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 10: So that is, you know, ministers today would be under 300 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 10: pressure to do something on that. You've also got other 301 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 10: aspects of that package. For example, there is a proposal 302 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 10: to ban Russian soldiers from entering the EU. You some 303 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 10: countries pushing for that, but others wanting that I suppose 304 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 10: water down in a sense maybe just short term visas, 305 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 10: et cetera. And there are other elements to do with 306 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 10: fish imports that now some countries are impacted by. So 307 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 10: we're going to be watching closely today to see A. 308 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: Will there be agreement and b if. 309 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 10: There is an agreement by foreign ministers, and if they 310 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 10: do discuss it, how water down effectively will this package be. 311 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: This is on another issue that's related to this that's 312 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: not included in this sanctions package, but it is something 313 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: that's topic of conversation, particularly since Ireland took over the 314 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: rotating presidency of the Council on the first of July, 315 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: and that's the potential for sanctions over alumina exports that 316 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: go from Ireland to Russia. 317 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 10: That's right, There is a huge smelter of the on 318 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 10: the west coast of Ireland organist alumina, which is one 319 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 10: of the I suppose the rare heavy industries that are 320 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 10: still there in Ireland to Ireland is obviously developed its 321 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 10: economy through through tech as services industry exam for example, 322 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 10: but this organised alumina, it now has emerged. The arch 323 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 10: Times reported this over the last few weeks that it 324 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 10: is exporting alumina raw material that's used in Russian weaponry. 325 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 10: Now the problem, of course is this illumina that's been 326 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 10: exported from here is also used in other things across Europe. 327 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 10: So again it's a tricky balance. And actually this came 328 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 10: up back around twenty and eighteen twenty nineteen, when the 329 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 10: US wanted to sanction aleg Deris Pasco, who is a 330 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 10: shareholder and one of the companies controlling the plant, and 331 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 10: also those aluminum and steel sanctions from the US back 332 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 10: and that time. So it's now research as a problem 333 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 10: now for Ireland. Some countries want this to be included 334 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 10: in the next sanctions package, as you said there, Steve, 335 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 10: and it's not in this twenty first sanctions package. The 336 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 10: Irish government would be under pressure on this in the 337 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 10: next sanctions package. The status now is is that the 338 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 10: Irish authorities are doing an investigation into this. The European 339 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 10: Commission will then look at that and then they will 340 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 10: have a discussion about whether to include this alumina in 341 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 10: the next round of sanctions from. 342 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 2: Brussels last c Susan. 343 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 3: There is also another possible sanctions package or measures, certainly 344 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 3: that the EU is also weighing when it comes to 345 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 3: trade with Israeli settlements. How important is that? How much 346 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: discussion is there about it? 347 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 10: Yeah, Look, there's been growing pressure on the EU to 348 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 10: do something about the trade that comes from these illegal 349 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 10: Israeli settlements, and the Commission, the European Commission, the EU's 350 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 10: executive branch, brought forward a proposal this last week. Now 351 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 10: there's a kind of a very EU row about whether 352 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 10: you need unanimous agreement to agree that or whether it 353 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 10: can be pushed through by qualified majority voting the European Commission, 354 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 10: and frankly, countries that are opposed to this idea are 355 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 10: saying you need unanimous agreement, which means this will probably 356 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 10: not get agreed anytime soon. The reality is the EU 357 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 10: European countries are divided on this. You've got some countries 358 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 10: who think that you should be taking a stronger stance 359 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 10: against Israel, but you have other countries. Germany is one, 360 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 10: for example, Czech Republic is another who are more resistant 361 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 10: to come out and do something dramatic against Israel, particularly 362 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 10: on the trade front. 363 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 2: So we do expect a. 364 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 10: Lot of discussion on that today, very few decisions. 365 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to Bloomberg Daybreak Europe. 366 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 3: If you're enjoying the podcast, give us a follow, leave 367 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 3: a rating, all review, and maybe send it to that 368 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 3: one friend all colleague who's always trying to keep up 369 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 3: with the news. 370 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: And if one podcast today isn't it enough for you. 371 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: You can also listen to us live every weekday from 372 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: six am in London on DAB Radio, on tune in 373 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: and on the Bloomberg Business app. 374 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 3: Oh, if you've got a smart speaker nearby, just say 375 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 3: play Bloomberg Radio