1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: the white tail woods, presented by First Light, creating proven, 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand saddler blind, First Light, 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: Go farther, stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon. 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm your host, 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan. This week on the show, I'm joined by 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: Mark Jury's farm managers, Wade Robinson and Perry Baden to 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: discuss the habitat strategies they employed to create world class 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: white tail hunts. All right, welcome to the Wire to 10 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light. And today 11 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: we are kicking off another series and it is Habitat Month. 12 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: That's right, four straight weeks of white tail habitat discussions. 13 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: We're gonna cover everything from food plot to timberstand improvement, 14 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: to grass management and water holes and hinge cutting and 15 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: who the heck knows soil health, regenerative agriculture, everything from 16 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: this way to that way, everything we can be doing 17 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: to improve our properties for deer and deer hunting and 18 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: all sorts of other critters too. I think that's an 19 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 1: important thing to remember. We have an opportunity and and 20 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: and I would say an obligation to not only you know, 21 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: steward our landscapes for the creatures who want to hunt, 22 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: but also for all of those other creatures out there, um, 23 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: who share that landscape, the birds and the bees and 24 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: the pollinators and turkeys, squirrels, rabbits, raccoons. It's all an 25 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: interconnected system. And by working to improve these places, we 26 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: can help that entire ecosystem, which I think is pretty 27 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: darn cool thing. So that's why I'm particularly excited take 28 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: off another month of this habitat kind of discussion. UM. 29 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: I found myself a lot last season dreaming about, Oh, man, 30 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: I wish I could have done this thing. I wish 31 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: I had improved this area. I wish I could have, 32 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: you know, tweaked this food plot in this kind of way, 33 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: or I wonder what I should do different next year. 34 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: There's there's been a lot of those kinds of questions, UM, 35 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,119 Speaker 1: as you all know, or at least long time listeners. UM, 36 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: you know, I had had a really fun hunting season 37 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: last year, re energized and excited to uh to do 38 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 1: some new things this year. So there's gonna be a 39 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: lot of work done on my side on a property 40 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: I have permission on and then on my family deer 41 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: camp up north. Hopefully we'll be doing some work too, 42 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 1: so we'll we'll be exploring some of those ideas as 43 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: we go along. But like I said, it's Habitat Month 44 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: and we're kicking things off today with a really great 45 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: duo of guests, and I'm going to give you a 46 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: little bit of background on them in a second, but 47 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: I want to first give you I'm not gonna say homework, 48 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: but I want to give you some extra reading material 49 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: if you want to dive deeper into these different habitat 50 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: ideas that we're going to discuss today and the month. 51 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: I wanted to share four different now it might be 52 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: actually five, five different reading recommendations. If you follow my 53 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: Instagram account over at wired Hunt, you know I'm a 54 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: big reader, always digging into different things, and that applies 55 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: to deer and habitat related topics too, And so I've 56 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: got five books here that I highly recommend if you 57 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: want to get more habitat ideas, if you want some 58 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: more detailed insight into how to improve and manage your 59 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 1: land for wildlife and white tails. Here are some recommendations. First, 60 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: I'm a really big fan of White Tailed Deer Management 61 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: and Habitat Improvement. Very creative title. That's the title of 62 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: the book by Steve Bartilla. Steve has been on the 63 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: show in the past, We've talked habitat in the past 64 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: with him, and this book is it does a really 65 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: good job of covering the whole slate of management questions, 66 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: habitat improvements, um. But particularly he does he's a lot 67 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: of illustrations maps where he showcases his plans, his designs, 68 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: how he you know, plots out different things, how he 69 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: puts an access routes and food plots and habitat and 70 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: cover improvements, all that kind of good stuff like that. 71 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: The diagrams are are really helpful, a lot of good 72 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: pictures that showcase some of the work he does. So 73 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: so that's a really good one. Another great book if 74 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: you want to really get into the nitty gritty of 75 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: food plots. This is probably the top book I would 76 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: recommend if you are starting as a food plotter and 77 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: just need like everything from eight is he covered. It's 78 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: quality food plots and it's published by the Quality Deer 79 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: Management Association, or well it was published by the q 80 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: d m A. Now they're known as the National Deer Association. 81 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: I believe they still sell it on their website. Um 82 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: so that's called quality food Plots, really really good, kind 83 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: of step by step by step as far as everything 84 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: you need to know to prepare locations, to choose locations, 85 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: to amend the soil, to you know, take soil tests, 86 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: to choosing the right seed to plant, to how to 87 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: manage it, you know, just everything. So definitely check that 88 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: one out. The next set of books is as a 89 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: duo here as well, and it is White Tail Habitat 90 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: Success by Design and Food Plot Success by Design. The 91 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: first book is kind of a more holistic set of 92 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: ideas across all habitat projects, while the second one is 93 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: is very food plot focused. Um but both of these books. 94 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: What I like about them written by Jeff Sturgis, of course, 95 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: is Jeff's approach to habitat management improvement. It's very system focused. 96 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: By that, I mean he does not recommend anything in isolation. 97 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: He's not gonna say I just plant a food plot wherever, 98 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: and here's what you should plant in and here's why. No, 99 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: it's it's always connected. He discusses and really emphasizes the 100 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: connected nature of everything on a property. So if you 101 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: put a food plot here, what does that mean for 102 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: the betting and what does that mean for your access? 103 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: And how do all these things interact and how will 104 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: the deer movement change? And how will that impact how 105 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: you can get in and out or how you should hunt? 106 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: And so it's a very strategic approach to habitat improvements 107 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: and to food plot design, location, planting, all that stuff. 108 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: It's very very good. So if you want to take 109 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: that next step in your habitat work and your food 110 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: plotting work, um, these two are are really good, really 111 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: diving into that, you know, how does this all impact 112 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: a hunting strategy? And then last another book called Grow 113 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: Him Right by Neil and Craig Doherty, another really good 114 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: overview of a bunch of different things when it comes 115 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: to habitat improvement and and more of a habitat management philosophy. 116 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: I think there's there's definitely some how twos in here, 117 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: but I love the philosophy that Kneel and Craig share here. Um. 118 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: Craig was a mentor of mine previous to his passing, 119 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: and I can't I can't tell you much I appreciate 120 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: some of the things he taught me. Early on, and 121 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: I think this book does a great job of continuing 122 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: sharing some of those messages and insights to people through 123 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: the written word. So those are my five Habitat book recommendations. 124 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: Check them out if you want to for are your 125 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: foundation in this kind of stuff. So that is a 126 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: long roundabout way of getting to our main kind of 127 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: topic of discussion, which is how Mark Jury has such 128 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: amazing white tail hunting properties. How does he get these 129 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: amazing deer year after year after year. How does he 130 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: keep sony deer in these areas? How does he have 131 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: so many quality hunts? How does he manage these places 132 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: so darn well so consistently. That's our topic of discussion, 133 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: and we're doing it with the two guys who are 134 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: the blood, sweat and tears behind Mark juries, or at 135 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: least behind much of mark juries success. Not saying he's 136 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: not doing a lot of this work too, but he 137 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: has the help of Wade Robinson and Perry Batton, his 138 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: farm managers, who are out there seemingly every day doing 139 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: some kind of project. And my goal today was to 140 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,119 Speaker 1: get a behind the scenes look at just what they're doing, 141 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: how they're doing it, what the strategies are that they're employing. 142 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: You know how I think about food plot design, food 143 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: plot location, what they plant, where they planted, how they planted, 144 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: how they deal with drought. Um, what are the little 145 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: tweaks and tiny details that they focus on that most 146 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: people don't. I think that's something that really stands out 147 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: about Mark is his attention to detail, not just with hunting, 148 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: but with his property designs and habitat improvements. And we're 149 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: gon dive into that as well. There's some some really 150 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: interesting things there that that Wade and Perry share. So 151 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: that's the game plan. Wade and Perry are are good guys, 152 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: smart guys, hard workers, and uh, they really know how 153 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 1: to do this work and do it well. That's why 154 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: I was so excited to have him on the show. 155 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: And that's the game plan for today's episode. So without 156 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: any further Ado, let's listen to Wade Robinson and Perry 157 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: Batton and then I will definitely recommend you guys check 158 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: out everything the guys over the Drewy Outdoors team are 159 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: doing on their deer Cast app the YouTube channel. It's 160 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: all great stuff. So, without further Ado, Wade and Perry 161 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: all right with me now on the line, I've got 162 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: Mark or he's terrible to some of Wade Robinson and 163 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: Perry Batton, guys, thank you for being here, absolutely, thank 164 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: you for having us just sir, no problem. I'm glad 165 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: we're finally getting the chat. I've talked to Mark a 166 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: lot over the years and have been there to h 167 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: Q and hung out, but I've yet to get to 168 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: bump into you guys. I'm glad we're finally finally connecting 169 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: and and talking about something that I know that all 170 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: three of us really love, and this time of year, 171 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: I think it's top of all of our minds, which 172 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: is uh which is habitat work, which is working the ground, 173 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: growing you know, wildlife, and and making for some cool 174 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: memories out there. So so I gotta start with a 175 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: quick question for you both right now, you know, as 176 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: we're getting into late winter, maybe you'd call this, Are 177 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 1: you resting and recouping it all or do you feel 178 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: like you're revving up already into like the busy season 179 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: already because you can see like nineteen thousand different things 180 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: already on your to do list to prepare for next year. 181 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: How do you feel right now on that you know, 182 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: you know, going into this time of year. We we 183 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: just finished up um Missouri into January, and uh, this 184 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: is the time that if we're going to take a 185 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: little week vacation or a long weekend, this is the 186 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: time to do it. But um, like I say, the 187 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: work definitely doesn't slow down. We uh you know, this 188 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: morning we were already putting out uh analogics and trying 189 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: to keep dear healthy, bringing in bringing them into next year. 190 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, and I mean we certainly have a little 191 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: bit shorter days kind of due to the season and 192 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: you know, hot cold at the grounds of frozen. We 193 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: can't do some of the things we want to do. 194 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: And then like tonight, we're not gonna go kyled hunting, 195 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: so it'll be a long night, long hours if you will, 196 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: something we enjoy. But you know, we certainly have some 197 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,599 Speaker 1: shorter days now the season is over. But but we 198 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: don't shut down. Yeah, and I guess that's part of 199 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: the beauty of it, right. It's it's fun stuff all 200 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: year around, a lot of work, but you're like doing it. Um, 201 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: so we finish up just to start over again. Yeah. 202 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: So so here's something I want to kind of kick 203 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: things off of a little bit, and that's you know 204 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: the fact that there's so many folks that have watched 205 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: the product of what you guys do, right I mean, 206 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 1: people have watched Mark's and your guys hunts on TV 207 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: and YouTube for years. They've seen all these you know, 208 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: beautiful looking places, They've seen these big old dear they've 209 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: they've seen the hunts, and I think a lot of 210 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: folks make assumptions based on that. I think a lot 211 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: of folks kind of know how this is how it goes, 212 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: or this is what they must be doing, or this 213 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: is how it is um I mean think even maybe 214 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: for you guys yourselves before you started working for Mark, 215 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: I imagine you had an idea of, you know, what 216 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: it was that was going on behind the scenes. So 217 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: my question for you is, if you had to kind 218 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: of put yourselves in the listeners shoes right now, and 219 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: if you were just an average guy listening to this 220 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: podcast making assumptions about, you know, how things go when 221 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: it comes to creating the kind of hunting that you 222 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: guys have and that Mark has. What's one assumption that 223 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: you think people make that is wrong. What's one thing 224 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: that we should just like get off the table right now. 225 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: That's that's wrong that a lot of people think is true. 226 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: Either one of you can, well, we have never stepped 227 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: foot one in a high fence. Um. That's probably one 228 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: of the biggest things. And another thing is is our 229 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: property size. Everybody thinks that we're hunting these thousand acre farms, 230 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: you know, five thousand acre farms, and that's definitely not 231 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: the case. Granted, I started probably twelve years ago, and 232 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: then in the earlier years we had some bigger farms 233 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: right around that thousand acre mark um. But here over 234 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: the last five years, we've made a huge trans transition 235 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: into a smaller satellite farms type approach, and the biggest 236 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: acreage consecutive farm we have currently is four seen acres. Yeah, 237 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: I mean, which is which is a big farm. But 238 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: I mean we're we're also hunting farms, fifty acre farms 239 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: and a ton of eighty acre farms, you know that, 240 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: a lot of eighties and one twenties, a couple of 241 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: forties across both states Iowa and Missouri. But yeah, definitely 242 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: the high fence comment and then that we have, you know, 243 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: five thousand acres, it's manicured like someone in the yard 244 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: to hunt is a is a false statement. So yeah, 245 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: but I mean and in the hours and and work 246 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: that like you just said, the hours and worth it myself, 247 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: Perry Mark Uh, Terry Forest. You know we all put 248 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: into these farms is what they're seeing in that you know, 249 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: thirty minute episode on TV. You don't get to see 250 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: that the hours, days, blood, sweat, tears that go in 251 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: into into this these farms. Yeah, everybody just sees the 252 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: thirty minute, thirty minute episode on TV or YouTube and 253 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: think these guys got a great well, looks so real. 254 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah exactly. I mean this morning our work truck, 255 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: the starter was clicking, so that was you know, just 256 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: right off the bat. You know, some Monday morning it's 257 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: not Monday, but just simple things like that can make 258 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 1: your day go south real quick. So yeah, speaking of 259 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: Monday mornings, I saw me today that made me chuckle. 260 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: It said, uh, Monday's are a stick that looks like 261 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: a shed. I thought, yep, you see that stick up 262 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: there and you go running after like ash ship. That's 263 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: not a ship. Um. Anyways, to to that, to that 264 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: one main assumption about the farm size, I think that's 265 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: really interesting where you were saying, Wade about this transition 266 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: you guys made. What was that? What was the thumb 267 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: process about that? What what led to Mark wanting to 268 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: switch from the big farms to the bunch of small 269 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: pieces and satellite kind of approach. Yeah. So my very 270 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: first year, two thousand twelve, I started in the summer 271 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: and Mark was so excited. We had all these great 272 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: year on on camera in uh, you know, June July, 273 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, August hit and bam 274 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: e h. D hit one of the hardest years other 275 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: than two thousand and eight. It hit really hard, But 276 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: in two thousand twelve it hit so hard and literally 277 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: wiped out We had, you know, a couple of different 278 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: bigger farms. Uh, you know, it just wiped out the 279 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: whole population of bucks basically. I mean, we had some 280 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: some nice bucks to still chase, but it wiped out 281 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: eight percent of our deer. So, um, you know, Mark 282 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: was kind of talking to different guys and stuff, and um, 283 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: you know, this guy's farm over here five miles didn't 284 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: even get touch with the HD. They never found a 285 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: dead deer one. So Mark Stinking's like, man, we gotta 286 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: we gotta, you know, broaden our our spectrum here, we 287 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: gotta get out of these big farms, because if the 288 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: h D hits, it wipes out your whole year or 289 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: your whole you know, five years. The next five years 290 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: is tough. Um. So he went to the more satellite 291 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: type of approach because e h D is so spotty. Um, 292 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: it allows you to get hit over here and not 293 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: ruined you know, the next five years to come. So 294 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: we just bounce around to two different forty eight acre pieces. Granted, 295 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: like Perry said, we have you know, we do have 296 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: a couple other UH farms that are are a little 297 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: bit bigger in size. You know, four hundred and seventeen 298 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: acres is is our largest track right now, consecutive track granted. Um. 299 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: You know there's like mindeds managers that are neighbors in 300 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: some of these spots, but our largest track is four 301 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: seventeen acres. So um. You know, basically the main reason 302 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: was e h D UM and hunting different a bunch 303 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,479 Speaker 1: of different deer herbs, you're more likely to have a 304 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: really good deer um versus you know, your farm get 305 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: hit one year and you have to wait, you know, 306 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: three to five years to have another really nice deer 307 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: to chase. And so far, man, it's it's definitely been 308 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: been paying off. So outside of just the e h 309 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: D kind of risk mitigation, what about how you know, 310 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 1: has has it panned out the way you guys thought 311 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: from you know, being able to steal, hunt and hold 312 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: big deer side of things because the risk a lot 313 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: of times people worry about what these small properties is 314 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: that you just don't have as much influence over what 315 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: deer make it through your age structure all that kind 316 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: of stuff. Have you guys, have you seen like is 317 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: the satellite approach harder or is it easier because you 318 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: have so many other options and you can, you know, 319 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: check this farm, this farm, this farm. Well, I mean 320 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: I would say that. I mean it's definitely harder to 321 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: raise and grow a big deer. Granted we've done it. 322 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: Um we've had deer that you know, I have those 323 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: deer that stay on those smaller parcels and and just 324 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: don't leave. Um, but uh, you know, I think it 325 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: can be a little harder in that regards. But you 326 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: just have to find the right farm, the right small 327 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: farm and make it as good as possible, have food 328 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: half cover and uh, you know that's the main thing 329 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: is is have you know you have these smaller farms. 330 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: But make that smaller farm the best possible farm it 331 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: can be, is the main main thing. Yeah, I would. 332 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: I would add to that. Also, as you know, we 333 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: have a little bit of risk factor when it comes 334 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 1: to all of our smaller farms because we have to 335 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: deal with more neighbors. Granted, as many farms as we have, 336 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: we have some really really good neighbors that are that 337 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: are on the same mindset, mindset as us. I mean 338 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: there's a few, you know, bad apples here and there, 339 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: but that's just part of the game. And uh. And 340 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: also to add to the small farm is intrusion, Like 341 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: we do not step foot on these places. She had seasons. 342 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,959 Speaker 1: It is about the only time in planting and hunting 343 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: and stuff, and some of them, you know, we'll we'll 344 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: hunt only once, yeah, twice a year. If there's not 345 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: like a definite mature deer that's on the list to kill, 346 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: we might not step foot on it at one time, 347 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 1: but we'll plant it and act like there's a two 348 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: hundred on it. Yeah, every farm gets treated the same 349 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: as far as food plots and access and everything goes 350 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: on the setup. But if the mature deer is not 351 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: there to kill. We don't. We don't mess with it. No, 352 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: let them grow. Yeah, you mentioned Wade. I think it 353 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: was you who said that A big part of it 354 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: is is getting the right small farm. What have you 355 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: guys found so far when it comes to identifying like 356 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 1: a small farm that can actually perform you know, at 357 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: a higher level it can hunt bigger or hold you 358 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: know more. Dear, have you guys kind of fine tune 359 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: what it takes to find that right small farm yet? Um? Yeah, 360 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: I mean again, the number one part of that is 361 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: is due diligence on the on the neighbors and what 362 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: they're killing and and what you know, what they're willing 363 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: to pass. Um. That is I would say it because 364 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: if they're shooting every two and three year old buck 365 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: that you know walks by them, I mean you're you know, 366 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: you're you're shooting for the moon at that point. Neighbors 367 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: is probably number one. Um, due diligence on that. And 368 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: then you know, obviously you want a good ratio between 369 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: between cover and an open ground so that you could 370 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: plant food and hold deer um, or have a lot 371 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: of cover around you and plant you know, have a 372 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: lot of cover on the neighbors. And and plant your 373 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: big food on your open grounds. So I mean there's 374 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 1: we have different farms with that, we have different tactics 375 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: on um both. Yeah. I mean we have a uh 376 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: fifty acre lease that's uh all open tillable, but it 377 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: busts up to about acre block to timber. Well obviously 378 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: there's acorns and stuff in the timber. But you know, 379 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: we plant a big food plot and uh early in 380 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: late season, you know, like taking candy from a baby. 381 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: They all you know, on a on a wide open 382 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: tillable field. You know, we'll see deer a night. You know, 383 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: just the main goal is to plant food and have 384 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: makes them want to be on that property. Yeah, the 385 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: neighbors in that country he's talking about are pretty good too. 386 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: That everyone over there kind of wants to shoot big 387 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: deer and and late season and early season we do. 388 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: We do well there because we always got food so 389 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: so so and that is a lot of that is 390 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: a big thing that a lot of people overlook so 391 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: like why do you guys have all the deer? Why 392 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: are you seeing fifty seventy you know, eighty deer a night? Well, 393 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 1: you know, we got food. Like people think that you 394 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: know that these deer are just gonna come out to 395 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: a cut field. Yeah, they will if that's all that 396 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: they got around. Um, you know, because there's residual and 397 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: stuff out there. Um. But you might see here, you 398 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,719 Speaker 1: might see a twelve year there's a standing field next by, 399 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: They're going to that one. Yeah, especially with these well 400 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 1: not so harsh to pass a couple of years harsher 401 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: winters here in southern Ireland, northern Missouri. You know, you 402 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: get snow on standing food, You'll have all this year. 403 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: So would you say away? And I know that that 404 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: I hesitated even ask the question because I know it's 405 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: it's always situation dependent. But if you had to rank 406 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: order the importance of the different major factors in whitetail 407 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: habitat when you guys are trying to, you know, make 408 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: one of these small properties is the best it can be? 409 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: If you had to rank you know, food, cover, water, 410 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: and let's say access, how would you rank those four 411 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: if you had to, you know, taken out you know, 412 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: all the unique variables. Just if we had to average 413 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: it out, how would you rank those four things? Uh? 414 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: You know, either one pair you want to start? I 415 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: would say covers number one. Um, you can't have and dear, 416 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: don't live in a wide open uh cut cornfield, cut 417 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: bean field. You know, you can own forty acres of 418 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: terrible if there's no cover around it, you're having no 419 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: wild So I would say that was number one, and uh, 420 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: I think access for me would be number two, and 421 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: then food being number three. I think that'd be the 422 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: top for me. Um, because honestly, you can have the 423 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: best looking farm on in the United States, but if 424 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: your access is horrible, you might as well just chalk 425 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: it up as a loss because you're gonna blow him 426 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: and spook him every time you try to go to it. Yeah, 427 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: what do you think, Wade? I agree with Perry. Um. 428 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: You know, I would obviously, like Perry said, to cover 429 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: if they're not gonna go bed in a wide open 430 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: corn or bean filled Um. You know. So, I mean, yeah, 431 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: it's hard to argue the cover. But access has always 432 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: been number one for me. Just like Perry said, if 433 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: you have bad access, you you're gonna blow the deer 434 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: out that you're supposedly hunting before you even see them. 435 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: In ninety five percent of the time you don't even 436 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: know that you did it. You know, they won't even 437 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: let you know that just you just won't have a 438 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: good set it. You won't see any year you get skunk. 439 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: So accesses in my opinion number one, Uh, in any 440 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: type of hunting, you gotta you gotta be able to 441 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,959 Speaker 1: get in there without them knowing that you're there. And 442 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: then um, obviously uh cover for them to stay in 443 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: and food. I mean you don't have no food, particularly late, 444 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: they are not gonna come buy you very regularly. So 445 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: and then obviously water is great during the rut. But 446 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: you know, we we started doing some water holes over 447 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 1: the last couple of years and uh, you know this 448 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: past fall we've had probably one, two, three three different 449 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: bucks uh that were mature that you know we could 450 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: have killed over water. Um. You know we almost killed 451 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: one on a water Yeah. I almost killed one um 452 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: on a water hole. So um. The only reason I 453 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 1: didn't rink water high is because you know, you can 454 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 1: run a track. Oh, you can hire somebody. You can 455 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: put water where you want. Really, Um, you know we've 456 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: taken fields that are flat food plot you know, get 457 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: a traco in there and Diggie tiggy water hole kind 458 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: of designs set up. You know, I take a little 459 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: bit a little bit of time to get some random 460 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: filled up. But I mean, you can get water where 461 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: you want, really, and most of these farms have, and 462 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: Iowa particularly, you know, it's so hilly and ditchy. You 463 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: know there's water about anywhere. You know, they can get 464 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: their water about anywhere. So it's not as a big 465 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: of a factor, um for us here in Iowa and Missouri. Yeah, 466 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: but no, I guess here's a slightly different way to 467 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: look at that same kind of topic. Um, if you've 468 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: got let's say, just like an average piece of dirt 469 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: that's got some cover, it's got some openings, it's got 470 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: a streamer pond or something. There's a little bit of 471 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: everything on it. Um, what have you found to be? 472 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: You know, if you had to pick like the most 473 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: impactful project, if there was, you know, if I told you, hey, 474 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: you can only make you can only work on one 475 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: project this year, it's gonna be your only improvement you're 476 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: allowed to make on this average piece of ground that 477 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: has some openings, it's got some food, it's got some coverage, 478 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: it's already got a little bit of everything. But nothing's great, 479 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: and you have the opportunity to do one big project, 480 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: you know my my assumption I jumped to assuming you 481 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: would put in some awesome food source. Am I right 482 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: on that? Or is there something else that you would 483 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: actually find to be more impacted? Absolutely? You know, food 484 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,959 Speaker 1: plot architecture um would definitely be number one. Make you know, 485 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: make them come within bow range and make it as 486 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: large as feasible to your population on the place and 487 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: uh feasible to hunt. Yeah, and then plan to your position. 488 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 1: When you guys arted with Mark, and I mean you 489 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: came into this in twos and twelve way and and Perry, 490 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,719 Speaker 1: it's it's just been a handful of years now for you, right, 491 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: maybe three years, is that right? Yep? Yep, yeah, three 492 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: years now. Okay. So when you walked in the you know, 493 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: quote unquote door walking the door and Mark takes you 494 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: out to one of the farmers for the first time 495 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: or you get out there for the first spring or 496 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: summer or whatever it was, and you started working on 497 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: food plots with him, do you remember, you know, I 498 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: guess what what's what surprised you the most or shocked you, 499 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: or what stands out when you first got to look 500 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: at how his mind is when it comes to this stuff, 501 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: or what his approach is to food, plot, architecture, or 502 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 1: his or how demanding he is about some aspect of it. 503 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: Is there anything that stood out when you like got 504 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: started where you were like, holy crap, this is a 505 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: this is a different guy, or this is we're gonna 506 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: be doing things different? What would that be? Would absolutely so. 507 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: Number one thing is definitely the intrusion, Like whether you're 508 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: talking out you don't talk out loud. You make sure 509 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: you have everything you need for the project at hand, 510 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 1: and only going to that farm one time. If you 511 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: forget something, you're gonna hear about it. You do not 512 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: want to go in multiple times if you can help it. 513 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: That is the number one thing. And again that goes 514 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: back to number one with access. You know, like if 515 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: you're blowing the deer out, they don't feel comfortable being 516 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: in your farm, they're not gonna be there. So intrusion 517 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: and access two main main things right out the get go. Yeah, 518 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 1: I mean I just revolved back to me being in 519 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: a service. Attention to detail. Anyone who's been in the 520 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: service has heard that um statement many of times. But 521 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: Mark's very detailed in the way he lays things out, 522 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: in the way we do the work. Too, you know, 523 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: conduct that project or whatever it is we may be doing. 524 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: But you know, from the littlest details of like don't 525 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: mow behind the blinds of the deer, don't walk behind you, 526 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: anything like that, some stuff that I did when I 527 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: first started. Better you only do it once? Yeah, exactly, 528 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: so well, definitely attention to details, and that's the reason 529 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: why it's so successful. While while drew the outdoors and 530 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: all of us as a whole are so successful. Are 531 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: there any other of these little things that stand out 532 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: to like little no nos, like don't mow behind the 533 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: blind or or any other details that you know most 534 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: folks never think about that in your mind, are like 535 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: big flashing neon lights. Because of him, Oh, yes, we 536 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: do not go on the farm if there's any if 537 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: there's any risk of ruts, Like his biggest pet peeve 538 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: is ruts, whether they're half inch deeper or a foot 539 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: deep road. Yeah, just because our ground is so hilly 540 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: here the roads and then we have to drive across 541 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: it all the time and it's bumpy and and but yeah, 542 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: his his deal with erosion and and you know that 543 00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: type of stool conservationist. It's very very high up and 544 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: one of those pet peeves. Don't drive across his yard 545 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: here at his house. Something I did right off the 546 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: bat I took I took a took a buggy to 547 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: go check a board. We were shooting sighting a gun, 548 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: and I drove the bug across the yard. He goes, 549 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: don't ever do that if we don't get off the driveway. Uh, 550 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's nothing too major, but it's major to him. 551 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: And you know, you know, he made those things clear 552 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: right off, right off the get going. We do not 553 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: do that. And uh, we make sure anybody who's in 554 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: camp knows that ahead of time to save them from 555 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: the earful details details, details, details, um, you know, and 556 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: and and I think that's you know, what has made 557 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: Drewy Outdoor so successful is is the detail oriented a little. 558 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: It's the little stuff that that you know, especially you know, 559 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: on the small farms we hunt, if the neighbors intrusive, 560 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: or the neighbor does something we don't, that gives us 561 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: a little bit upper hand to get the deer on us. 562 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, So let's let's take that kind of 563 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: detail idea and and kind of apply it to what 564 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: you guys just mentioned. Is is probably the most impactful 565 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: project you guys would usually work on, which is that food? Um? First, 566 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: I guess when it comes like a food project and 567 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: a food plot is is choosing the right location for it? 568 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: And I'm always really interested. I like how you guys 569 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: do a good job on a lot of these videos 570 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: of showing you know where you're putting new food plots 571 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: and why you're putting them there and stuff. But I 572 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: guess at a high level, when you guys are making 573 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: you know, looking at the map on a farm and 574 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: talking about whether it's a new farm or just a 575 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: piece where you haven't worked yet, and you're trying to choose, Okay, 576 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: where are we going to put the plots? Can you? 577 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: Can you guys walk me through you know what those 578 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: most important criteria are to you when you're thinking through, 579 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: all right, this is where we need to put it, 580 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: or this is the easy spot to put one, But no, 581 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: we can't do it because of X and Y. What 582 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: would those things be? Well? Again, to our first statement, 583 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: number one would be access. We gotta make sure we 584 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: can get into these spots um without the deer no 585 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: one that we're there um. And number two we always 586 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: use an outside looking in approach. We do not enter 587 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: the timber. Um. You know, we may carve out a 588 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: food plot, get a dozer in and do something on 589 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: the edge, but we just leave the core unpenetrated. And uh, 590 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: you know, so we always try and get the deer 591 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: to come to us versus go in move in on 592 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: the deer like. Um, those are two of the I 593 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: would say the most main Yeah, for sure. I mean 594 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: it all starts really at Mark's dinner table here at 595 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: the house. Myself, Wade and Mark sit down, jump on 596 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: deer cast maps and and look at it from an 597 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: aerial view of a map. Um first and say, okay, 598 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: you know what winds can we hunt it on? Where's 599 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: our access going to be? And then design the plot. 600 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: And you know, going back to what Way said, most 601 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: of our plots are on the edge. We don't We 602 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: don't ever dive deep into a farm because if you do, 603 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: your access is never never good. It's on the outside. 604 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: I mean, our plots are always determined mainly on access 605 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: and wind direction that we can one. Yeah, and and 606 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: so these plots are usually on the edges. They're usually 607 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, access related. I guess how much though, do 608 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: you factor in or worry about you know, um distance 609 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: to UM neighbors. So I guess what I'm trying to 610 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,479 Speaker 1: get at is I've always worried one of the things 611 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: he worries if put food too close to a property line, 612 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: too close to the edge, you risk the neighbors impacting 613 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: that food source or trying to hunt. Do you're come 614 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: into it or something like that. What are your thoughts 615 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: on that? Yeah, I mean we always definitely take that 616 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: into consideration. Um, we try and just as being neighborly, 617 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: we try and you know, stay away from the stay 618 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: away from the lines. I mean, um, you know, because yeah, 619 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 1: we've had don't want to benefit benefit of neighbor, but 620 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: also sometimes you don't have the you know, on some 621 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: of these smaller farms we have, we don't have the 622 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: dirt to get away from him as much. Yeah, we 623 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 1: have to be somewhat close. And that's just kind of 624 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: how it how it crumbles down, you know. So yeah, 625 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: it's all farm dependent, but um, you know, again goes 626 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 1: back to our due diligence on you know, when the 627 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: neighbors hunt, what time of year, you know, if they're 628 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 1: just gun hunting, you know, it may not be as 629 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: big of an issue. Um, you know or you know, 630 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: the biggest The biggest thing is no matter how close 631 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: we might be to the neighbor, normally it's just an 632 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: access route down a fence line. And then we would 633 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: get into our food plot where the blind is obviously 634 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 1: faced into our ground or the tree stands face into us, 635 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: you know, never we're never facing someone else's far and 636 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: stuff like that. However, our neighbors can't always say the same, yeah, neighbors. 637 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: But so another thing on this sorry, another question I 638 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: had to related to this location thing is I've have 639 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: often seen Mark talk about trying to tuck them. You know, 640 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: access is still good, but it seems like you guys 641 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: tuck them up next to you know, I've heard like 642 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 1: the Buck Hotel and stuff like that. You try to 643 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 1: push them pretty close to these betting areas. So how 644 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: important is it to be like smack dab against them 645 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: versus like a transition corridor in between you and the bedding, 646 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: Like how tight do you want them to be? I mean, 647 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: are are both still type spots? Um are closer to 648 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: the bedding because you know, to get those mature bucks 649 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: up on their feet during daylight hours, you have to 650 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: be um close to that bedding and and you know 651 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: Perry can hit on this subject a little bit more. 652 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: But you know, if there's not betting close, we will 653 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: go in and make betting, uh, you know with T 654 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: s I and hinge cutting and all that that type 655 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 1: of stuff. So we we do like to get in 656 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: close to that betting. Um, but yet where our access 657 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: is still good. Right And to his point of that, 658 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: like when we do T s I, if I, you know, 659 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: throw my stuff on and grab my saw and just 660 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: start walking to a general area we've picked out, we 661 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: want to do T s I. When I get to 662 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: a spot of that area, I turn around, call it 663 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty normally is about where it's at. We 664 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: like to be off the betting. Would be like to 665 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 1: be off the edge of the food plot to create 666 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: the betting. You know, I want to get to that 667 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: spot where I can't see the field, so that way 668 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: when deer bed there, they can't see us get into 669 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,720 Speaker 1: our blind our tree stand and come down our access. 670 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, that makes sense. Okay, Um. Now another I 671 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: guess tag onto that I often think about how dear transition, 672 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: you know, from betting to a food source to a 673 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 1: next to the next food source. You know, how often 674 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: are you placing food plots in such a way to 675 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: be like a transition food source versus like the final 676 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: destination big food source. Like are you most of these properties? 677 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 1: Do you try to have both or just one or 678 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: the other or is it never big destination food sources 679 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: now it's always little transitions Like talk to me a 680 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: little bit about that. Yeah. So, um, you know, almost 681 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 1: on all of our farms, I would say that we 682 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: have both. Um, you know, like I was talking about earlier, 683 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: we just plant to our position. I mean one of 684 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 1: our farms, Um, you know what is it six acres 685 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: of egg field that we got? We had sixteen acres 686 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: in this bottom field and we direct the deer right 687 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: past us with walking strips. Um. You know that walking 688 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: strips radish fields um out in the middle of these 689 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:03,399 Speaker 1: giant grain destination fields. So yeah, I mean some way 690 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: shape or form. You know, we're we're hunting these transition 691 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: areas to get them within bow range. And was granted 692 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: we back off whenever we have a gun in our hands. 693 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean typically even on small farms, like 694 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: say we've got they we've got three acres like a 695 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 1: like at where mark killed this year over there and 696 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: west stuff fifty acre farm or I think that, you know, 697 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,760 Speaker 1: we have about three two and a half three acres 698 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: to work with. We have a green field that's half 699 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: acre directly in front of the blind and then are 700 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: surrounding it. On the rest of the field we have 701 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 1: standing beans, so kind of a duel edge sword there. 702 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,800 Speaker 1: You know, you can hunt both season early on the 703 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: green and then you know, gun comes and you've got 704 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: a hunter and twenty yards shot and some standing bean 705 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: field that we try to keep the deer you know, 706 00:38:54,800 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: destination there and you know they're transitioning to both green 707 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 1: and grain. And then obviously some filter pass us can 708 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: go out to bigger grain fields, but typically it's very 709 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,879 Speaker 1: dark and uh legal light has has expired by them. 710 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: So and a lot of these plots spots where we're 711 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 1: back off of the food or back off of the 712 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: cover rather um, you know, we'll go in and we'll 713 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: make walking strips, uh to help guide them into our 714 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: green field, like from the you know, the edge of 715 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: the timber. Again, we hunt a lot of blinds. That 716 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: another thing that we get a lot of, uh, you know, 717 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: a headache over everybody hates that we're in blind, but 718 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,800 Speaker 1: all these spots, you know, we wouldn't be you know, 719 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: if we were sitting in a tree on the edge 720 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,439 Speaker 1: of the timber, you would hell, you would stop half 721 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: your movement because your wind would have to be either 722 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: blowing over the food or blowing over the cover versus 723 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 1: getting off the backside of that that food plot and 724 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: blowing it over you know, a safe spot. So you know, 725 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: sometimes we have to you know, walk them all the 726 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: way through that field to get to our within bow 727 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: range at a radish field or or a clover field 728 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: right in front of the blind, you know, and standing 729 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 1: beans are standing corn elsewhere. So so speaking of that, 730 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: then like these big fields versus the smaller fields, and 731 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,399 Speaker 1: how you get in the compast a bow spot I've 732 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 1: seen like this example you describe where you do this 733 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: kind of green and grain combo where you've got that 734 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,840 Speaker 1: green tight for the bowshot and then you know they 735 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: can filter out to the larger being field or whatever. Um. 736 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,240 Speaker 1: When it comes to size of these food sources, what's 737 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 1: the what's the minimum and maximum size for these food 738 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: plots that you guys have found to make it effective? 739 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,839 Speaker 1: And are there some spots where like man we're gonna 740 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: put a huge food source in, and we know this 741 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 1: will never be a great bow spot because it's too big, 742 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: and so you just kind of set up his gun 743 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: or does every single food plot you guys put in 744 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: has to be like, Okay, here's the bow set up, 745 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: and here's the unique thing we're gonna do with the 746 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,840 Speaker 1: design or the you know, walking strips, and then here's 747 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 1: the gun option. It seems like every one of our 748 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 1: food plots has a bow set up. You know, Like 749 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: we whenever we like Perry was staying here, whenever we 750 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,320 Speaker 1: sat down look over deercast maps, um, you know, we 751 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: figure out exactly where we need to be to be 752 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: able to intercept him going to the big food. What 753 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: we need to do, whether it be plant or uh 754 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: you know, drive lanes through the beans or or what 755 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: it may be, we always seem to have a bow spot. 756 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: I think there's maybe two or three of our all 757 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: of our farms that are fields that we just got 758 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 1: strictly gun hunt. Yeah, this year probably they're going to 759 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: two or three. And even I mean even some big 760 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: bean fields that we have, we just go in, set 761 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: the tiller down and till up a walking strip. You 762 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: know and plant green and nine times I said, may 763 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: follow that path. I mean, it's a weird deal that 764 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: I first saw when I started, and I was like 765 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,840 Speaker 1: made a believer out of me real quick. Think something 766 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 1: so small even you, like Harry said, if it's just 767 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: a walking strip um or Grand you don't have a 768 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 1: tiller or you don't want to play green, you know, 769 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,240 Speaker 1: just driving you know, your truck through. You know, Grand, 770 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: you have a lease and the farmer leaves five acres 771 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 1: of standing beans, and you drive your truck to those beans. 772 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 1: They're gonna walk that path, get twenty yards off that 773 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 1: path down the middle of the field, and you know 774 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,319 Speaker 1: they're gonna walk that path and get within bow range. 775 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: It's something so simple like that that you could turn 776 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 1: up a five acre food plot and you know, into 777 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: a blow hunting type area, have a blind out in 778 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,160 Speaker 1: the middle of the field and you know, drive your 779 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 1: truck buggy forward or whatever you want, make make a 780 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: two track and they're gonna walk it. Yeah. We did 781 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: it in a spot where we have a big standing 782 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: grain field that's in the wide open, and then put 783 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 1: a scrape tree where we've met our tracks together and 784 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: had a cell cam on it. And it did great. 785 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: I'm bucks work that scrape on in the middle of 786 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,959 Speaker 1: the No man's laying in the middle of the bean field, 787 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,759 Speaker 1: all right. So I love these I love these little 788 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: tweaks that you can make to a food plot to 789 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 1: make it hunt better. So, so one of these things 790 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,840 Speaker 1: that you just mentioned is the walking strips. And so 791 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,759 Speaker 1: I like the idea of just driving through it if 792 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: you can't, if you don't have the time or or 793 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,800 Speaker 1: tools or whatever to plant these strips of green, you 794 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,120 Speaker 1: can just drive and make a path. But then when 795 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 1: you're doing the green strips, can you can you tell 796 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 1: me in a little more detail how you like to 797 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,399 Speaker 1: do those green strips? Do you I'm assuming you you're 798 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,360 Speaker 1: planting your beans or I guess do you ever do 799 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 1: this with corners? It always beans? And then what do 800 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 1: you usually like to plant in those strips? Now we 801 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: do it. We do it with both corner beans. Um. 802 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: And because the strips are so small, um, we always 803 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,280 Speaker 1: do something like a wheat or an oat or a combination, 804 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,640 Speaker 1: we oat rye um. Just because if you do we've 805 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 1: done it, and radishes or whatever they just don't it'll 806 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 1: end up being a dirt strip. So um, you know, 807 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: we always do those something that continues to grow after 808 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 1: they handle the pressure. So that's what we But yeah, 809 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 1: I mean the biggest thing is like if it's corny, 810 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 1: you know, get a little mower in there and mow 811 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 1: your path and then kill it up and and then 812 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,359 Speaker 1: hand seed it and hand fertilize it. And if it's 813 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,840 Speaker 1: just beans, you know, we got six foot tiller on 814 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,839 Speaker 1: the back of a tractor and until you a path 815 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 1: and you know, do the same thing, hand seed and 816 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,359 Speaker 1: hand fertilize. I was still right through the crops, Yeah, 817 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,800 Speaker 1: until right through the beans. Mm hmm. But you know, 818 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,280 Speaker 1: like I said, if you don't don't have that equipment, somebody, 819 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: somebody could go in there with a lawnmower and you know, 820 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,360 Speaker 1: normally underneath that exposed dirt of a crop field, you know, 821 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: there's enough dirt you could get you could get wheat 822 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,560 Speaker 1: notes or you know, something like that to grow even 823 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: if you just top dressed on the top dress timer 824 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,680 Speaker 1: rain and have the rain, you know, the rain, the 825 00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 1: seed and the fertilizer in. But yeah, it's a great point. 826 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 1: The scrape trees, that's another thing. And I feel like 827 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 1: I think that it was you guys and Mark and 828 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,839 Speaker 1: everyone who popularized that first. I mean I can't think 829 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,799 Speaker 1: of anyone who I remember seeing doing it before him. Um, 830 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,799 Speaker 1: but she've been doing you guys been doing it along 831 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:25,840 Speaker 1: to market the tree coy. Um yeah, yeah, so so 832 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: it's been it's been really popularized now like almost everyone 833 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 1: who has food plots does this. It's it's just such 834 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:36,719 Speaker 1: a proven tactic. But but what do you guys, what 835 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,160 Speaker 1: are you guys doing now that it's been fine tuned? 836 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,800 Speaker 1: Like if anyone who's been doing this, you guys have 837 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,760 Speaker 1: been doing this the longest, what's the fine tuned approach 838 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 1: to it? Now? What are the little things you guys 839 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,719 Speaker 1: have found that makes this more effective? Um? When it 840 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,440 Speaker 1: comes to the details, give me the details of how 841 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 1: to do the scrape tree to the Mark Jurie level 842 00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:02,360 Speaker 1: of quality. In So, we we started, you know, like 843 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,839 Speaker 1: I said, maybe a year or two after I started, um, 844 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,399 Speaker 1: you know, and we just would go dig a hole 845 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,799 Speaker 1: with you know, post diggers and try and bury the tree. 846 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 1: Well we figured that didn't work. Um, so then we 847 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,920 Speaker 1: we started coming in and literally just driving a teapost 848 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 1: in the ground and um, wiring with some thick wire 849 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,400 Speaker 1: the tree right to the tea posts and that had 850 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,240 Speaker 1: seemed to work the best for us. And and another thing, huge, 851 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,759 Speaker 1: huge uh point here that we've found by trial and air. 852 00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,799 Speaker 1: And the best tree bar none is definitely a pin 853 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: oak um Like we've tried, you know, little locust trees. 854 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,840 Speaker 1: We tried shingle oaks and pin oaks that hold the 855 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,759 Speaker 1: hold their leaves forever. I mean it, they'd be dead 856 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,400 Speaker 1: and still have leaves on them for months on end. 857 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,919 Speaker 1: But they just seemed to work. Those trees over way 858 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,239 Speaker 1: way better pen times better than any other three you 859 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,880 Speaker 1: can find. Yeah, those are definitely the best trees. And 860 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,759 Speaker 1: another thing is is to make sure your limbs um 861 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 1: are quartered to the blind uh you know, your your 862 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,840 Speaker 1: best scrape limbs. Sometimes we'll trim the back side of 863 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,080 Speaker 1: the limbs so that they can't scrape on the back 864 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,360 Speaker 1: side of the tree. But quarter that quarter those limbs 865 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,719 Speaker 1: to you so that when the deer comes to work them, 866 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 1: you know they're quartered away to broadside for a shot 867 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:26,960 Speaker 1: because they're on the back side of the tree. It says, 868 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,480 Speaker 1: you know good, I mean you can shoot them coming 869 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,239 Speaker 1: and go into it, but um to you know, just 870 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 1: to tweak it to do it perfect. We always you know, 871 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,360 Speaker 1: put those trees out there about eighteen nineteen yards and 872 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 1: uh and quarter those scrape limbs right towards the blind 873 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:48,319 Speaker 1: for sure. But shingle pin oak, it'll work every time. 874 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,520 Speaker 1: That's a trick. And do you ever do you ever 875 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,919 Speaker 1: fix them up? Like I've had sometimes where a tree 876 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,320 Speaker 1: is lost all the sleeves before I was expecting, and 877 00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,279 Speaker 1: I thought to myself, Man, I should go and and 878 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,360 Speaker 1: why are up a new branch or something? But then 879 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,839 Speaker 1: I worry about it. I don't want to walk out 880 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,759 Speaker 1: there and leave scent or anything like that. Uh. Do 881 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,400 Speaker 1: you ever go take a piss in the scrape or 882 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,600 Speaker 1: anything to freshen it up? Do you? Is there any 883 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 1: other things you would do it in season? Or do 884 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:18,319 Speaker 1: you absolutely leave that stuff alone? No? I mean if 885 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,400 Speaker 1: they break one of our limbs, will absolutely you know, 886 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,879 Speaker 1: cut a limb off of a off of the same 887 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,280 Speaker 1: type of tree and and go read it back wired 888 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,560 Speaker 1: back up. Um. But no, we never start the scrapes 889 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 1: or anything like that by pissing them or or you know, 890 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,000 Speaker 1: we never mess with them. They just do it on 891 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,399 Speaker 1: their own likes right there where they scraping, and you'll 892 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,120 Speaker 1: never see a doer there again, I'm saying it sounds 893 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:50,440 Speaker 1: like a personal problem. Um, but if they if they 894 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:55,440 Speaker 1: break the tree down, we'll redo it, okay, um. Camera. 895 00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:01,759 Speaker 1: And another little what other little tip um that we 896 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,160 Speaker 1: also do is add too, you know, and make them 897 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:09,320 Speaker 1: walk between almost like a scrape line. Um. They seem 898 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,520 Speaker 1: to bounce back and forth for those trees. It's just 899 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,920 Speaker 1: like a fish to structure. And you know, kid'm walking 900 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,000 Speaker 1: right right there in front of the blood that give 901 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,239 Speaker 1: you an opportunity to shoot one broadside and you know, 902 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:25,360 Speaker 1: stop and walking you know, the main main goal. Okay, 903 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,960 Speaker 1: So that that's interesting. I hadn't thought about that before. 904 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,520 Speaker 1: That kind of ties into another thing you sometimes hear 905 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,600 Speaker 1: folks talk about, which is some people will put a 906 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,880 Speaker 1: scrape tree in and then they will purposefully try to 907 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,680 Speaker 1: get rid of like other licking branches on the field 908 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,200 Speaker 1: so that the only you know, good spot first scrape 909 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,319 Speaker 1: would be you know, your scrape tree right within range. 910 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,160 Speaker 1: And then I've heard other people who like to have 911 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,359 Speaker 1: like as many licking branches as possible because they want, 912 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, stuff to keep deer in the air. They 913 00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,120 Speaker 1: want like time wasters so that the buck will stick 914 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,640 Speaker 1: around and scrape here and scrape there and scrape there 915 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: and never make it to the neighbors, you know, until 916 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,960 Speaker 1: after dark. Um, do you guys ever worry about anything 917 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,840 Speaker 1: like that or or is that you know, not in 918 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:15,399 Speaker 1: your radar? No, I mean that's that's pretty uh deep, 919 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,279 Speaker 1: I guess, um, but no, I mean we don't we 920 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,839 Speaker 1: don't go cutting any other scrape limbs down or anything 921 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,680 Speaker 1: like that, like kind of like you said, like I 922 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,320 Speaker 1: think it's it's better because whenever a bucks you know, 923 00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,600 Speaker 1: on that that scrape run, he just he hit them 924 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,960 Speaker 1: all and they seemed to they seemed to hit the 925 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,880 Speaker 1: scrape tree and I had, yeah, and the natural on 926 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,359 Speaker 1: the tree line and they'll hit twenty in a row 927 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,239 Speaker 1: if they got them there. You know, we've never went 928 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,279 Speaker 1: to set them down. So I was gonna ask them 929 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,480 Speaker 1: about your camera set up on the scrape trees. Now, 930 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,920 Speaker 1: those have been premier you know, photo ops for for 931 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,040 Speaker 1: you guys over the years. What's the current best set 932 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,719 Speaker 1: up for getting cameras and pictures on those scrape trees? Now? 933 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,160 Speaker 1: How do you guys like to position them? Um? And 934 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,640 Speaker 1: do you ever worry about those? You know, I've always 935 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,040 Speaker 1: worried about these cameras like on a T post or 936 00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,480 Speaker 1: something right out in the open, like spooking some of 937 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,480 Speaker 1: the deer. Do you guys worry about that at all? 938 00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,440 Speaker 1: And I guess what are the other details for your 939 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 1: setups on your scrapes. No, I mean, we've never really 940 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,080 Speaker 1: worried about that. It's kind of like blinds on our farms, 941 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,680 Speaker 1: and it was just like basically trees because all these 942 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,960 Speaker 1: deer have grown up walking past them. I mean, I 943 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,279 Speaker 1: would say over six of our our cameras are out 944 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,080 Speaker 1: in the middle, you know, on T post and and 945 00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,239 Speaker 1: now they have no no fear of them or we've 946 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,640 Speaker 1: never seen that. Um, you know, the only thing we've 947 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:45,000 Speaker 1: ever had them get very weary on has been sell cameras. 948 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a click or or what 949 00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,680 Speaker 1: it what it may be, but um, we've we've tried. 950 00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:57,080 Speaker 1: But but then again, like that's only a very rare occasion. 951 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,440 Speaker 1: But other than that, um, we haven't really ever had 952 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,400 Speaker 1: any issues. Right, Normally, are cameras are on a T 953 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:09,600 Speaker 1: post out in the food plot and the scrape tree 954 00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,880 Speaker 1: is main framed, you know, main in the center of 955 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,600 Speaker 1: the frame, and then we try to position them to 956 00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,040 Speaker 1: where if it's triggered. If a buck's there or a 957 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,799 Speaker 1: deer in general is there, you can see what else 958 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,600 Speaker 1: is out in the field. You know, get a background 959 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,319 Speaker 1: shot also, you know, kind of two for one if 960 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,480 Speaker 1: you will. Yeah, and then another another key thing when 961 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,320 Speaker 1: setting up cameras, a lot of people that don't realize 962 00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:40,879 Speaker 1: and uh is facing it? Uh not not west, not southwest? 963 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,759 Speaker 1: And try and avoid even south um, just because when 964 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,200 Speaker 1: that dear movement time is it seems like a lot 965 00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,880 Speaker 1: of sun cuner. Yeah, you just get blown out or 966 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,920 Speaker 1: or backlit and you just can't really tell what it is. 967 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,360 Speaker 1: So avoid that southwest sun in the evenings. And and 968 00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,839 Speaker 1: uh so you can face it north or or southeast 969 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:08,880 Speaker 1: um or any northerly is ideal, um because again they 970 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,640 Speaker 1: just you can mess up pictures in a hurry. And yeah, 971 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,080 Speaker 1: and we always try and like to also be on 972 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,600 Speaker 1: the uphill side kind of pointing downward versus it's looking 973 00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,080 Speaker 1: up a hill. Most of the time. It gives you 974 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,120 Speaker 1: that backlit view. So we always try and if you're 975 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,120 Speaker 1: on a hill, face it on the downhill, face it downhill. 976 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,600 Speaker 1: It seems to definitely help get those better quality pictures. 977 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,160 Speaker 1: You can add one of them. You can add one 978 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,480 Speaker 1: of Mark's pet tieves as a sunlit back photo on 979 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,359 Speaker 1: a trail camera. That be a way he put out. 980 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,279 Speaker 1: He's not happy about that. And the thing is that 981 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,520 Speaker 1: we don't The thing is we don't check those trail 982 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:50,239 Speaker 1: cameras very often now that we got selves. So you know, 983 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,320 Speaker 1: you wouldn't sit there for a month or so and 984 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,000 Speaker 1: and all the photos are backlit. Yeah, that doesn't make 985 00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:01,239 Speaker 1: a happy boss. You got to be aware where you're at. Details, details, details, yes, 986 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,759 Speaker 1: So so back to the food plot architecture side of things. 987 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,840 Speaker 1: We've talked about the scrape trees will help you get shots. 988 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,560 Speaker 1: We've talked about the walking strips. Um. What about actual 989 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,759 Speaker 1: shapes and designs of the plots? Um? I've talked or 990 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,080 Speaker 1: I've heard Mark talked about the past about planting to 991 00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,480 Speaker 1: the location. I think he will say sometimes so like 992 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,279 Speaker 1: pick a tree and then like design a plot around it. Um, 993 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,560 Speaker 1: can you talk through some of the design choices? Now? 994 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,200 Speaker 1: You know, it seems like a lot of guys will 995 00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,920 Speaker 1: just make a big square or a big circle or something. 996 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,320 Speaker 1: But I see you guys sometimes doing horse shoes and 997 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,120 Speaker 1: different things like that. Um, what are some of those 998 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:40,480 Speaker 1: best designs you guys have found. Um, you know, one 999 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,359 Speaker 1: of the best and one that we have the most 1000 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:47,600 Speaker 1: success on is that horseshoe shape. Um. And again planting 1001 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,560 Speaker 1: to your position. Obviously, we try and put our blind 1002 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,720 Speaker 1: you know, at the top end of the horse shoe 1003 00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,279 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, we have a plot or a 1004 00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,359 Speaker 1: boomerang horseshoe all the same, but we have a more 1005 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,760 Speaker 1: of a rat type plot for you know, bow season. 1006 00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,640 Speaker 1: They seem to like their ashes more during bow season. 1007 00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,239 Speaker 1: Will plant that, you know, right up close to the 1008 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,719 Speaker 1: blind and uh, and then out on the ends we'll 1009 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,880 Speaker 1: have you know, winter bub of sugar beets or or 1010 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:21,840 Speaker 1: clover or you know beans. Yeah. So the horseshoe is 1011 00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,080 Speaker 1: is one of our favorites just because they have to 1012 00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,000 Speaker 1: almost walk the whole plot to see what's on the 1013 00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,560 Speaker 1: other side, you know, or they'll be right in front 1014 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,680 Speaker 1: of where they can see down both sides. Just seems 1015 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,640 Speaker 1: like a they move through that type of plot better 1016 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,560 Speaker 1: just because they're you know, so curious and they want 1017 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,160 Speaker 1: to get to that point where they can see everything 1018 00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:43,200 Speaker 1: that's in the field. Yeah. Are there any others that 1019 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,360 Speaker 1: you've been using lately or that have worked well or 1020 00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:50,360 Speaker 1: is that now, like you're the number one. Um, you know, 1021 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,440 Speaker 1: another really good one that that we like to do 1022 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,000 Speaker 1: if we're just I mean, we do a lot of 1023 00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:02,120 Speaker 1: green fields. Um the main another main shape that we do, 1024 00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,239 Speaker 1: and that is just like a football field. So like 1025 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,960 Speaker 1: basically if they step into your green green plot, you're 1026 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,160 Speaker 1: gonna get a shot. So fifty yards across fifty yards 1027 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,000 Speaker 1: either way, and it seems to be about the right 1028 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,360 Speaker 1: size that they won't eat it out, um, you know, 1029 00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:21,359 Speaker 1: and and really good size for bow honey. So those 1030 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,560 Speaker 1: are the oh, it's two best, I would say. And 1031 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,880 Speaker 1: always just natural structure that's on a farm, Like we 1032 00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,960 Speaker 1: plant some spots to have natural fence gaps where they've 1033 00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,759 Speaker 1: walked for years, and you know, we bring our green 1034 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,839 Speaker 1: walking strips through that fence gap and then bringing them 1035 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:42,280 Speaker 1: past us in a blind. Um. You know, natural structure 1036 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,239 Speaker 1: works really good to also, but you create a new plot, 1037 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,759 Speaker 1: like you were talking about, Mark picks a tree and 1038 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:52,480 Speaker 1: that's kind of the uh turning point of the horseshoe 1039 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,680 Speaker 1: or boomerang if you will, you know, that's kind of 1040 00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:59,160 Speaker 1: the center of it. So you know, another thing I 1041 00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,880 Speaker 1: think I've seen a few times and I'm curious if 1042 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,440 Speaker 1: this is something you do a lot. I've seen in 1043 00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,040 Speaker 1: some of these plots that are more of like rectangular ish. 1044 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,720 Speaker 1: I've seen what looks like you guys are almost building 1045 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,160 Speaker 1: a wall or laying blowdowns in a wall kind of 1046 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,360 Speaker 1: right near where you're blind or tree stand is and 1047 00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,320 Speaker 1: then leaving a gap. Though, So there's basically like if 1048 00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,880 Speaker 1: you imagine you have a rectangle and then if you're 1049 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:24,840 Speaker 1: blind is at the fifty yard line in the middle 1050 00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,200 Speaker 1: of the field. I've seen some plots where then on 1051 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,120 Speaker 1: the opposite side from your fifty you'll have like a 1052 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,840 Speaker 1: wall of trees that goes halfway across that pinches down 1053 00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,080 Speaker 1: the movement across that plot too, really close to your blinderstand? 1054 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,600 Speaker 1: Am I seeing that? Did you guys make those? Are 1055 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,360 Speaker 1: those just some coincidental natural structure that I'm seeing in 1056 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,200 Speaker 1: some of these plots? Now, we always we always use 1057 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,800 Speaker 1: that type of stuff, um, you know, I mean we 1058 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,880 Speaker 1: put it on on the same side as our blind 1059 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,360 Speaker 1: as well, just again for access coming and going, because 1060 00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,360 Speaker 1: going it's just as important as coming. Um, So you 1061 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,200 Speaker 1: can slide down behind that wall of you know, trees 1062 00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,160 Speaker 1: that you may have taken out of that plot. When 1063 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,400 Speaker 1: you built it and uh, you know, not affects the 1064 00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,280 Speaker 1: deer that are on the plot. You just build it 1065 00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,040 Speaker 1: up high enough and and slide in, slide out without 1066 00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,480 Speaker 1: the deer even though you're coming. And like what you 1067 00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,440 Speaker 1: were saying, the ones that are across the field, Um, 1068 00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,520 Speaker 1: same thing, just as a basically just to punch them down. 1069 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,400 Speaker 1: You know, dear pretty easy to guide. They like the 1070 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,440 Speaker 1: pass of least resistance, so they're gonna walk around the 1071 00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,760 Speaker 1: end of that and push them right in closer to 1072 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:38,280 Speaker 1: Boe range. Yeah. Um, I'm I'm recall another These are 1073 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,320 Speaker 1: all the little weird things I've noticed over the years. 1074 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,960 Speaker 1: But something that I heard maybe as you Wade talk 1075 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,840 Speaker 1: about or someone talked about one point was thinking about 1076 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:51,360 Speaker 1: where food plots will shade first, and that that sometimes 1077 00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,720 Speaker 1: impacting how you plant or where you position things. Can 1078 00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,240 Speaker 1: you can you explain that a little bit, because that's 1079 00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,440 Speaker 1: something I've never thought about before. Yeah, absolutely so. Um, 1080 00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,600 Speaker 1: if you watch a field, those deer that come out early, 1081 00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,320 Speaker 1: they always go to that shade. I don't know if 1082 00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,680 Speaker 1: it's you know, I know why it is. It's because 1083 00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,600 Speaker 1: they feel more secure there, um in that darker part 1084 00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,840 Speaker 1: of the field. Early season, it's cooler. Um, So yeah, 1085 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,440 Speaker 1: they'll definitely uh go to that shaded side of the 1086 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,520 Speaker 1: field first, um, Like I said, just for out of 1087 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,800 Speaker 1: whether it be early season, in the in the heat, 1088 00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,680 Speaker 1: they go to that shade and and they feel more 1089 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,720 Speaker 1: secure in that. So yeah, we'll definitely try and get 1090 00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,040 Speaker 1: closer to that shady side in the field if if 1091 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,880 Speaker 1: that's the type of plot design that, um, that we 1092 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:43,120 Speaker 1: have in that particular spot. But they definitely every single 1093 00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,560 Speaker 1: time you you watch the field, you'll see that. If 1094 00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,000 Speaker 1: people will pay attention to that, they'll definitely see with 1095 00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,400 Speaker 1: them here coming and they'll early season, we've had him 1096 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,040 Speaker 1: run across like come out on the other side of 1097 00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,200 Speaker 1: the field, run across the sun and just stop and 1098 00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,400 Speaker 1: put their heads down right in that shape, right at 1099 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,000 Speaker 1: the shade line. And it's funny the sun starts to fall, 1100 01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,080 Speaker 1: but you're start to ease, you know, just follow that 1101 01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,200 Speaker 1: shade line. They'll be right on it for sure, especially 1102 01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,520 Speaker 1: early season. Yeah, earlier warm is the main main time 1103 01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:27,840 Speaker 1: for that. It's interesting, Um, you mentioned the when I 1104 01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,960 Speaker 1: asked you about the down tree walls and stuff like that, 1105 01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,919 Speaker 1: you mentioned how sometimes you'll put those on your side 1106 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,440 Speaker 1: of the field to help with access. Is there anything 1107 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,640 Speaker 1: else you guys are doing with your food plots to 1108 01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,320 Speaker 1: help you with that access and exit? You know, I've 1109 01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,720 Speaker 1: some guys will hinge cut the whole side of a 1110 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,880 Speaker 1: field so they can slip up behind that. Some guys 1111 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,040 Speaker 1: do use blowdowns. I mean, if there are all sorts 1112 01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,600 Speaker 1: of different things, what do you guys usually use or 1113 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,480 Speaker 1: or set up so you can get out of these places? 1114 01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,800 Speaker 1: I always wonder, like you guys hunt so many field 1115 01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:00,240 Speaker 1: edge setups and and there's always so many deer them. 1116 01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,360 Speaker 1: I'm always shocked that you guys can get in and 1117 01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:08,120 Speaker 1: out without these deer catching on really quick. Yeah, for sure. Um, 1118 01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,200 Speaker 1: like this year in a big bottom we have we 1119 01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,840 Speaker 1: you know, plant plant blockers standing corn um, any kind 1120 01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:20,240 Speaker 1: of blocker grass if you will plant that. Also, there's 1121 01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,040 Speaker 1: some spots where we jump in creek beds and walk 1122 01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,920 Speaker 1: those all the way from the road to the ladder 1123 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,840 Speaker 1: of the back of the blind. I mean, you know, 1124 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:34,280 Speaker 1: anything that puts you your profile below. You know, eyesight 1125 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,400 Speaker 1: is great, and the corn worked really good this year. 1126 01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,920 Speaker 1: We haven't hadn't done that in that bottom this year 1127 01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,200 Speaker 1: and tried it to work great. Snuck into that blond 1128 01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,680 Speaker 1: a few times with deer out on the field. So 1129 01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:52,320 Speaker 1: um and and back to these smaller parcel farms. You know, 1130 01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:58,000 Speaker 1: access is key key because coming in, going because you know, 1131 01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,640 Speaker 1: if you only have one small farm and you're you 1132 01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,920 Speaker 1: got the right wind, you know, say two nights, three 1133 01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,840 Speaker 1: nights in a row, you're gonna want to go back 1134 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,400 Speaker 1: in there the next night. But you know by night too. 1135 01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,600 Speaker 1: If you blow that field off the second night in 1136 01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,720 Speaker 1: a row on your exit, you know they're gonna those 1137 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,840 Speaker 1: mature bucks are are gonna you know, it's gonna start 1138 01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,040 Speaker 1: affecting them. So if you can get in and out 1139 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,680 Speaker 1: of your blind without the deer knowing that you're there, 1140 01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,600 Speaker 1: like I said, X is just as key as entrance. 1141 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,960 Speaker 1: So if you can get out of there without them 1142 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:27,760 Speaker 1: even know when you're there, you're gonna be able to 1143 01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,000 Speaker 1: hunt those small farms, uh, you know, and not have 1144 01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:32,920 Speaker 1: to give them such a break. Because if the deer 1145 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,400 Speaker 1: don't know you're there, you know, and your winds perfect, 1146 01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,200 Speaker 1: your access perfect, you know, you'll be able to come 1147 01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,360 Speaker 1: and go as you please. So that's why we do 1148 01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,240 Speaker 1: on some of these smaller farms, you know, try and 1149 01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:49,280 Speaker 1: make access number one. Yeah, more number one. Even when 1150 01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,520 Speaker 1: we get out of the blind, like you know, you 1151 01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,280 Speaker 1: just get a flash flight out of your pack and 1152 01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:57,040 Speaker 1: you know, get a light out so they don't associate 1153 01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,000 Speaker 1: with your wind or your scent when you get out 1154 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,800 Speaker 1: of the blond. I mean we even out screech at 1155 01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,800 Speaker 1: him something natural to get them to bump off the field, 1156 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,480 Speaker 1: not just walked out, not just some guy climbing out 1157 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:12,760 Speaker 1: of belind you know. Yeah, yeah, those are always stressful 1158 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,480 Speaker 1: moments when you think you've got it cleared and you 1159 01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,920 Speaker 1: finally slip out of the tree and then something blows 1160 01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:22,920 Speaker 1: right behind you or something. But yeah, we've all been there. Um, 1161 01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,320 Speaker 1: another kind of large topic that we probably don't have 1162 01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,440 Speaker 1: time to get into the real details of it. But 1163 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,360 Speaker 1: it's also something that's been covered a thousand times, and 1164 01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,320 Speaker 1: that's you know, making decisions about what to plant and 1165 01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:40,720 Speaker 1: and that's very situation dependent and location dependent, soil quality dependent, 1166 01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,320 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Um. But I but I 1167 01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,400 Speaker 1: have noticed something, and I'm curious if this is true 1168 01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,439 Speaker 1: or if it's just something that I've am mistakenly picking 1169 01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,680 Speaker 1: up on. I've it seems like rarely do I ever 1170 01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,760 Speaker 1: see a food plot that you guys have planted this 1171 01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:58,160 Speaker 1: just one thing anymore, like it's very rarely just like 1172 01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,800 Speaker 1: us just an oat plot. It's usually like a combination 1173 01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,720 Speaker 1: of something like a like a radish plot here in 1174 01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,720 Speaker 1: the corner by your stand, and then it transitions to 1175 01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,320 Speaker 1: something else, and then it transitions to something else. Do 1176 01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,880 Speaker 1: you is that the case? Do you guys always layer 1177 01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:15,040 Speaker 1: different things in each plot now? Or if if so, 1178 01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,920 Speaker 1: why and if not, you know, describe the situations when 1179 01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:22,720 Speaker 1: you would Yeah, no, I mean I would say that 1180 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,240 Speaker 1: that is the case on on a lot of our fields. 1181 01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,720 Speaker 1: And and again that's just the whole soul purpose for 1182 01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,600 Speaker 1: that is is hunting different times of the year. You know, 1183 01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:35,000 Speaker 1: we plant the products that they prefer late um, whether 1184 01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:39,600 Speaker 1: it be grain or bolts or or Braska's um out 1185 01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,120 Speaker 1: of the distance when we would most likely be hunting 1186 01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,080 Speaker 1: with a gun, and then up close you know we 1187 01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,280 Speaker 1: have the clover or ad is something that they prefer 1188 01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:52,520 Speaker 1: um early season, uh, you know until that post rut time. 1189 01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:57,320 Speaker 1: You know, it seems like they really prefer those earlier. 1190 01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,560 Speaker 1: So just plant basically on top time of year that 1191 01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,960 Speaker 1: we're trying to hunt that particular field, if there's a 1192 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,680 Speaker 1: particular target there. Um, when we want to try and 1193 01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:10,520 Speaker 1: target him based on history with him when he shows up, uh, 1194 01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:12,760 Speaker 1: so on and so forth. So it just kind of 1195 01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,800 Speaker 1: determine what dear we're targeting. Um, and then we almost 1196 01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,520 Speaker 1: sometimes will even plant for a particular dear of what 1197 01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,800 Speaker 1: he had preferred the year before winning showed up when 1198 01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,600 Speaker 1: we think we could kill him, um, stuff like that. 1199 01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,000 Speaker 1: So but yeah, I know that's that is correct. We 1200 01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:32,720 Speaker 1: do layer uh for that purpose. Basically because most of 1201 01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,680 Speaker 1: our fields, we have to plan them big enough that 1202 01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:40,480 Speaker 1: you know that they'll make. So therefore, to get him 1203 01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,840 Speaker 1: within bow range, we have to plan a product that 1204 01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:48,800 Speaker 1: they prefer during both seasons. Yeah, what what do you 1205 01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:50,920 Speaker 1: guys feel like? This is kind of going back to 1206 01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,520 Speaker 1: where we start a little bit. But Um, as far 1207 01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,760 Speaker 1: as like the size of one of these things to 1208 01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,120 Speaker 1: actually make a difference, do you guys have a minimum 1209 01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,960 Speaker 1: size food plot that you guys have found only if 1210 01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,440 Speaker 1: it's less than this size that it really doesn't do 1211 01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,960 Speaker 1: much for us? Um? Is that is that a thing 1212 01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:08,960 Speaker 1: in your mind? Or or will you do a half 1213 01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,080 Speaker 1: acre food plot if it's in the right place, because 1214 01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:15,720 Speaker 1: it's it's still got some power at that size. I 1215 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,280 Speaker 1: would say for sure, we will do a half acre. 1216 01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,560 Speaker 1: We've got some half half acre green fields, but they're 1217 01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:26,880 Speaker 1: tucked into a bean field or cornfield that's carved out. Um, 1218 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,280 Speaker 1: so there's more acres there for them to eat, I mean. 1219 01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:31,640 Speaker 1: And also I think a lot of that depends on 1220 01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,800 Speaker 1: your deer density, you know, across the Midwest, whether it's 1221 01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,240 Speaker 1: you in Michigan or you know, somewhere else in the 1222 01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,960 Speaker 1: Midwest and in the South, like there might be places 1223 01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:45,280 Speaker 1: where you only see five six deer at night. We're 1224 01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,160 Speaker 1: up here, Uh, there's so much habitat and the deer 1225 01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,400 Speaker 1: density is so high. We have to make that food 1226 01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,600 Speaker 1: plot means something to them, not only from a drawing 1227 01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,920 Speaker 1: standpoint to draw them in to get them to come 1228 01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,840 Speaker 1: feed there, but also yeah, sustainable. They're going to be 1229 01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,600 Speaker 1: able to feed on it for a month, two months, 1230 01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,680 Speaker 1: you know in a lot of these places you see, 1231 01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:11,360 Speaker 1: so you gotta have you gotta have some acres to 1232 01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,760 Speaker 1: sustain those mouths that or or just something that that 1233 01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:19,240 Speaker 1: regrows re regenerate clover or wheat, right, I know, that 1234 01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,800 Speaker 1: type of grain, especially the walking strips, like they're so 1235 01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,600 Speaker 1: small and they work so good. That's why we always 1236 01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,080 Speaker 1: go with you know, winter grass or you know, wheat 1237 01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,439 Speaker 1: rise something something that keeps growing even though they nip 1238 01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:37,680 Speaker 1: it off. Okay, So last food question, which is related 1239 01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:39,920 Speaker 1: to a challenge. I know you guys felt this year. 1240 01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,160 Speaker 1: A lot of people felt this year. I did, um, 1241 01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,880 Speaker 1: and over a lot of recent years, which is drought. 1242 01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,640 Speaker 1: You know, planting a food plot in August and then 1243 01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:49,920 Speaker 1: you know, the rain that was supposed to come doesn't 1244 01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,600 Speaker 1: come and you get a failure or some kind. What 1245 01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,000 Speaker 1: have you guys learned over these recent years as far 1246 01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,680 Speaker 1: as dealing with that and how can you recover? You know, 1247 01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,760 Speaker 1: I used to think, like I plant something a drought 1248 01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,360 Speaker 1: can aman, it was really crappy, and then I was kylie, 1249 01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:07,120 Speaker 1: well I'm doomed. Um And I've been trying later plantings 1250 01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,960 Speaker 1: and subsequent second or third seatings and different stuff like that. 1251 01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,240 Speaker 1: What have you guys found has helped you deal with 1252 01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:17,479 Speaker 1: that situation best? Well, we'll we'll say that all of 1253 01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,519 Speaker 1: our green fields were doomed to pitch year we plant. 1254 01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:21,960 Speaker 1: I think every single green sil we went across, we 1255 01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:26,439 Speaker 1: replanted it three times. Um. You know, obviously the last 1256 01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,559 Speaker 1: planting did the best, and and sometimes the second planting 1257 01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:33,640 Speaker 1: did all right, Um, but you know we uh we 1258 01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:37,640 Speaker 1: have a trailer with six fifty gallon water tank on 1259 01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:41,280 Speaker 1: it that uh you know again we target key bucks 1260 01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:43,760 Speaker 1: and uh plus that we're wanting to try and kill 1261 01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,880 Speaker 1: them on and we'll go in, we'll fence off those 1262 01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,760 Speaker 1: plots and we'll water it. One of our one of 1263 01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,880 Speaker 1: our best fields this year. We fenced it off right 1264 01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:54,720 Speaker 1: after it was planted, didn't even let it get up, 1265 01:08:54,920 --> 01:09:01,080 Speaker 1: and Perry mostly Perry uh watered it. You know, he'd 1266 01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,880 Speaker 1: put an enter rain on it once a week and 1267 01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,479 Speaker 1: uh it turned out to be one of our our 1268 01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:10,400 Speaker 1: best plots. And catch an enter rain across an acre. 1269 01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:15,519 Speaker 1: What is add some thousand gallons? I think, well, that's 1270 01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,559 Speaker 1: totally I had my anomical amount. Yeah, I watered four 1271 01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,120 Speaker 1: or five key plots this summer during the drought, and 1272 01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:25,120 Speaker 1: I had over a hundred forty thousand gallons of water 1273 01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:28,840 Speaker 1: put down. I believe it's is a rounded number. It was. 1274 01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:32,320 Speaker 1: It was in that hundred fifty thousand range. What we 1275 01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:36,200 Speaker 1: watered this year. It was. It was insane. And so 1276 01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:41,320 Speaker 1: about eight takes about eight takes a day, um I 1277 01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:45,000 Speaker 1: would do. And we have a sixteen hundred gallon tank. 1278 01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:49,840 Speaker 1: That's bolted to a trailer with a pump, so siyeh, 1279 01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,000 Speaker 1: about sixteen thousand gallons a day and I did that 1280 01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:55,880 Speaker 1: for a few weeks. Isn't that crazy? It's crazy how 1281 01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:58,439 Speaker 1: much work that is to do manually and mother nature 1282 01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:02,200 Speaker 1: just does it so easily. On it soon one one 1283 01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:06,760 Speaker 1: hour could save a week worth of work, you know, crazy, Yeah, 1284 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,960 Speaker 1: I mean we we talked about that all the time 1285 01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,559 Speaker 1: of of how I was like, dang it, one one 1286 01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,720 Speaker 1: half inch rain would would save us a week's worth 1287 01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:19,320 Speaker 1: of work of solid work, you know, solid watering. Yeah, um, 1288 01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,120 Speaker 1: that's wild. And so how how did that pay off 1289 01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:23,960 Speaker 1: for you guys? Did those four or five key food 1290 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:29,360 Speaker 1: plots end up being worth it? Yeah? Absolutely? Yeah. I 1291 01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,400 Speaker 1: mean we definitely had some fresh green to hunt over. 1292 01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:38,400 Speaker 1: Most all of our third planning stuff have been planned 1293 01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,559 Speaker 1: all the way into October. Um, the first part of October, 1294 01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,880 Speaker 1: I think we were planning wet wheat notes and we 1295 01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,040 Speaker 1: got those October rains and it actually did all right. 1296 01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:50,479 Speaker 1: But that was our saving grace, that third planting that 1297 01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,479 Speaker 1: we we went in and drilled. But but yeah, those 1298 01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:57,599 Speaker 1: those ones that he watered, um, we're definitely key spots 1299 01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:01,600 Speaker 1: because there was zero green anywhere. So we did have 1300 01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,479 Speaker 1: some key spots to two hunts, but it's it's hard 1301 01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,160 Speaker 1: to to grab all of them. You just have to 1302 01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:10,400 Speaker 1: pick your key one key plots and and uh focus 1303 01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,000 Speaker 1: on those. That's all you could do. So so back 1304 01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:16,200 Speaker 1: to that third planning, would you guys say that you know, 1305 01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,720 Speaker 1: doing that late September or early October planting of some 1306 01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:22,360 Speaker 1: kind of cereal grain, You know, it sounds like that 1307 01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:24,400 Speaker 1: was still worth it. You got enough growth out of 1308 01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:27,560 Speaker 1: it that it actually helped and the the late the 1309 01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:32,320 Speaker 1: late activity didn't hurt you too much. Um No, I 1310 01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,680 Speaker 1: mean it it definitely definitely helped us for UM. You know, 1311 01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:39,800 Speaker 1: as mild as this as this um winter was, you know, 1312 01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,720 Speaker 1: they always come back to green really really heavy right 1313 01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,479 Speaker 1: after the rut. And uh, those were some of our 1314 01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:49,639 Speaker 1: best plots with those you know, wheaten cereal grain plots 1315 01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,479 Speaker 1: that we planted in late September early October. So yeah, 1316 01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,240 Speaker 1: I mean it definitely definitely made a huge change because 1317 01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,599 Speaker 1: again there was no green anywhere else. No one else 1318 01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,800 Speaker 1: could get any green to grow um because again they 1319 01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:05,400 Speaker 1: would give up after about the second planning. Um, you know, 1320 01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:09,439 Speaker 1: so it did, it definitely did pay off. But we 1321 01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:13,360 Speaker 1: went over those fields so many times countless hours, um 1322 01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:17,080 Speaker 1: all you know, all for this season. And again that's stuff. 1323 01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:20,880 Speaker 1: Those weeks worth of watering, you know, just NonStop watering 1324 01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,960 Speaker 1: for eight ten hours a day. Um, you know those 1325 01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:26,519 Speaker 1: three times across this field. As the things that a 1326 01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,559 Speaker 1: lot of people don't see and scratch their head when 1327 01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:34,160 Speaker 1: we're succeeding. Um, you know, it's just the man hours 1328 01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:38,599 Speaker 1: that we put to to make everything go around. You know. Yeah, yeah, 1329 01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:44,240 Speaker 1: that's that's definitely an investment for sure. Um. So I 1330 01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,400 Speaker 1: want to talk to you Perry about a specialty of yours, um, 1331 01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,320 Speaker 1: shifting gears here a little bit. Since we've I've I've 1332 01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:52,920 Speaker 1: somehow sucked an hour of your time already just talking 1333 01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:59,320 Speaker 1: about food. Um, you guys both talked about and uh 1334 01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:03,320 Speaker 1: and cover is you know, something sometimes that you're naturally 1335 01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:05,760 Speaker 1: blessed with on a property and sometimes you have to 1336 01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:10,200 Speaker 1: create it. Um when it comes to creating new bedding 1337 01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:12,439 Speaker 1: cover or putting it in the places you want. You 1338 01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,800 Speaker 1: mentioned something really interesting, which is that you go out 1339 01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,800 Speaker 1: there with the chainsaw and you're gonna you know, walk 1340 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,600 Speaker 1: into the timber until you know you're at least a 1341 01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,560 Speaker 1: hundred hundred fifty yards away from that food, so you 1342 01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,800 Speaker 1: can you know, access without spooking deer off the bedding. Um. 1343 01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:29,240 Speaker 1: Can you can you share any other specific detail type 1344 01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,560 Speaker 1: things you're thinking about when you go and try to 1345 01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:35,400 Speaker 1: create these betting or better cover pockets with the chainsaw? 1346 01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:36,880 Speaker 1: What are some of the other things that you're thinking 1347 01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,400 Speaker 1: about when you're out there doing it, Whether it's the locations, 1348 01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,720 Speaker 1: the size of these patches that you're cutting, um, any 1349 01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:46,400 Speaker 1: other decisions you're making out there. Yeah, for sure. I 1350 01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:49,880 Speaker 1: mean Mark doesn't want his entire timber looking like a 1351 01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:54,000 Speaker 1: dead fall. Um. You know, it's underbrush everywhere, so we 1352 01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,640 Speaker 1: kind of pocket it. We make you know, we make 1353 01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:00,080 Speaker 1: little homes for the deer if you will. Um, you 1354 01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:03,040 Speaker 1: get that distance that we talked about earlier, you get 1355 01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,720 Speaker 1: to that spot and you look around and uh, in 1356 01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,840 Speaker 1: March timber, I pretty much cut everything except oaks and 1357 01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:14,080 Speaker 1: walnuts that that's uh cleared by him. I mean, I'm 1358 01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,479 Speaker 1: not gonna say that everybody needs to do that, but 1359 01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,040 Speaker 1: we pretty much take every tree we don't want besides 1360 01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:24,240 Speaker 1: those two species, and we make a you know, whether 1361 01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:27,360 Speaker 1: it's an eighty by eighty yard or fifty by fifty 1362 01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:31,960 Speaker 1: yard shape or area, and we we drop all the 1363 01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,160 Speaker 1: trees in that area. We might not drop them all, 1364 01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:37,920 Speaker 1: we might ring some just to have some dead stands 1365 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:42,600 Speaker 1: and to get the sunlight to the floor. And we 1366 01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:47,639 Speaker 1: do this in areas that we you know, on fifty 1367 01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:49,720 Speaker 1: acre piece or mark killed his big deer this year. 1368 01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:53,360 Speaker 1: Um it was wide open timber, a lot a lot 1369 01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:58,400 Speaker 1: of hickories, younger eighteen inch type pickeries that, and and 1370 01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,840 Speaker 1: and a few oaks scattered in and out of there, 1371 01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:06,120 Speaker 1: but mainly hickories which have very little um, you know, 1372 01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:12,479 Speaker 1: food and Wildlife specifies for deer at least values. So 1373 01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:16,040 Speaker 1: went in there and did some pretty extensive t s. 1374 01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:20,200 Speaker 1: I in in a big area about a hundred yards 1375 01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:24,320 Speaker 1: from that plot. And this year, I mean we held 1376 01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:28,120 Speaker 1: in that it's probably forty acres of timber. In that timber. 1377 01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:32,080 Speaker 1: We held more deer in there this year than probably 1378 01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:34,920 Speaker 1: ever hasn't an entire its entire life because you could 1379 01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,320 Speaker 1: see from one end to the other and now you 1380 01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:43,160 Speaker 1: currently cannot. So h when do you, yeah, when do 1381 01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:46,719 Speaker 1: you choose to do the ringing versus completely falling the tree? 1382 01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:49,320 Speaker 1: Is it? Do you all? Do you prefer to do? 1383 01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:51,280 Speaker 1: Bring the whole thing in the ground most of the 1384 01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:53,400 Speaker 1: time because it gets you that ground level cover plus 1385 01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:56,280 Speaker 1: the sunlight or or how do you make that decision 1386 01:15:56,320 --> 01:16:00,800 Speaker 1: between the two different applicate or ways to do it. Yeah, 1387 01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,400 Speaker 1: I mean I would say I would say I'm probably 1388 01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:08,799 Speaker 1: seventy bringing it down ringing. Um, we've got some leases 1389 01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,360 Speaker 1: that people allowed us to do T s I. But 1390 01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,720 Speaker 1: they don't want a big mess. And so in that 1391 01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:16,720 Speaker 1: case we you know, ring more to let them, let 1392 01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,000 Speaker 1: them stand dead, but you still get that sunlight to 1393 01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:23,360 Speaker 1: the floor of the forest. Um, if I'm creating, you know, 1394 01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,680 Speaker 1: if it's a smaller farm where say I'm creating an 1395 01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:30,880 Speaker 1: eight by eight h pocket of T S I, I'm 1396 01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,160 Speaker 1: gonna bring a lot down because in that small pocket 1397 01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:38,200 Speaker 1: of timber, you're gonna want as much four cover as possible. 1398 01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:40,439 Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna want as many canopies you can 1399 01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:43,960 Speaker 1: get on the on the ground. Yeah. What about hine cutting? 1400 01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:50,080 Speaker 1: Do you guy ever do that? Certainly? Um, I'm not 1401 01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:52,599 Speaker 1: gonna sit here and tell you that it's safe where 1402 01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,720 Speaker 1: your where your gear and you know, protect yourself and 1403 01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:57,439 Speaker 1: be smarter where you do it and where you cut 1404 01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:01,280 Speaker 1: the tree. Um, but get a tree to lay on 1405 01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:07,040 Speaker 1: the ground and continue to produce foliage. Um, you gotta 1406 01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:08,800 Speaker 1: you gotta hinge cut it. There's not a whole lot 1407 01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,120 Speaker 1: other ways to get it there. And do you do 1408 01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,360 Speaker 1: that in a similar kind of pocket kind of design 1409 01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:21,080 Speaker 1: like you're doing with your general t s as well? Correct? Yes, Now, 1410 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,320 Speaker 1: another betting area I see you guys hunting around a 1411 01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:28,200 Speaker 1: lot is some kind of grass. I see some some 1412 01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,720 Speaker 1: pretty extensive use of some kind of native grasses. I'm 1413 01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:35,000 Speaker 1: assuming on a variety of your farms. What do you 1414 01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:38,720 Speaker 1: do you ever plant grass specifically for betting or is 1415 01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,680 Speaker 1: it more often like transition from timber to food. I 1416 01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:43,920 Speaker 1: think I've seen both with you guys. But how do 1417 01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,920 Speaker 1: you guys usually at grasses? And what's what are you 1418 01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:52,080 Speaker 1: guys using for? And how you know we do Mark? 1419 01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:55,240 Speaker 1: One of Mark's first farms up here in Iowa was 1420 01:17:55,560 --> 01:18:02,360 Speaker 1: basically cattle cattle pasture with a giant drawl um down 1421 01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:04,120 Speaker 1: through the middle with a bunch of fingers off of it. 1422 01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:07,200 Speaker 1: And uh, like I said, it was grazed by cattle 1423 01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:10,960 Speaker 1: for years. It was three inch tall grass and uh, 1424 01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,800 Speaker 1: you know he came in this was before my time, 1425 01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,639 Speaker 1: but he came in planted warm seas and grasses throughout 1426 01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,759 Speaker 1: the whole thing and rolled it in CRP and turned 1427 01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:23,160 Speaker 1: it into possibly one of the best farms in southern Iowa. 1428 01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,519 Speaker 1: That literally was just a growing up cattle pasture and 1429 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:31,160 Speaker 1: mostly the grass served as a buffer, uh to make 1430 01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:35,560 Speaker 1: those draws that much more appealing it, you know, and 1431 01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,479 Speaker 1: give them that much more security cover more so than 1432 01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,200 Speaker 1: than the betting. I mean, they do bet out in 1433 01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:45,360 Speaker 1: the grass, um, but I would say it's it's definitely 1434 01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:47,880 Speaker 1: more of a buffer to make the draws in the 1435 01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,519 Speaker 1: timber that much more appealing to the year and access, 1436 01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,719 Speaker 1: you know, getting getting around left farm, getting from spot 1437 01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,560 Speaker 1: to spot. So um, they do bet at it, but 1438 01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,120 Speaker 1: I would say it's more of a transition buffer or 1439 01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:04,439 Speaker 1: safety uh type thing for them. And you know, we 1440 01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:09,479 Speaker 1: we do a mix of of big blue, little blue 1441 01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:14,200 Speaker 1: uh cave and rock switch um and some some different 1442 01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:16,919 Speaker 1: Indian grasses. And the reason that we do the mixture 1443 01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,599 Speaker 1: is because it it gives the diversity and the heights 1444 01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:24,800 Speaker 1: um you're anywhere from you know, three ft or you know, 1445 01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,920 Speaker 1: need a mid thigh all the way up to eight 1446 01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:32,320 Speaker 1: nine ft tall grasses and and those uh pockets of 1447 01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,080 Speaker 1: that shorter grass allows the deer to to walk through. 1448 01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:37,920 Speaker 1: You know, if you do solid cave and rock switch, 1449 01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:40,439 Speaker 1: you know, that stuff gets so thick that you know, 1450 01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:42,519 Speaker 1: a deer can't even hardly walk through it or walk 1451 01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:46,080 Speaker 1: through it comfortably. So, um, we do it, you know, 1452 01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:48,880 Speaker 1: with that, with that mixture of different heights of grass, 1453 01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,600 Speaker 1: and uh, you know you could you could turn a 1454 01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:56,439 Speaker 1: cattle farm into a really good deer farm with you know, 1455 01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,840 Speaker 1: all that extra cover of the grass and then you 1456 01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:01,320 Speaker 1: a little bit of T. S I and the and 1457 01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:05,040 Speaker 1: the draws and stuff. Um, but yeah, it's it's more 1458 01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:08,040 Speaker 1: of a buffer on our stuff than than it is 1459 01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:12,080 Speaker 1: for actual betting. Okay, okay, is there anything else you 1460 01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,720 Speaker 1: guys are doing when it comes to that cover side 1461 01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,280 Speaker 1: of the equation, Any other tricks up your sleeve or 1462 01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,320 Speaker 1: projects that you work on many years that that help 1463 01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:23,040 Speaker 1: on that side of things outside of grasses and doing 1464 01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:28,800 Speaker 1: some T s I. No, not something, Hey do you 1465 01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,280 Speaker 1: think anything? And I mean those are the two the 1466 01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:35,920 Speaker 1: two main things that we do to improve improved cover. Yeah, 1467 01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:40,880 Speaker 1: I mean burns you know normally on grasses. So yeah, 1468 01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:45,000 Speaker 1: we do burn our timbers some as well. Um, especially 1469 01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:48,439 Speaker 1: you have to watch your your t s I areas 1470 01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,000 Speaker 1: because you burn all your your cover there, so you 1471 01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:52,800 Speaker 1: kind of got to go around and and you know, 1472 01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,040 Speaker 1: make fire lines and stuff around your t S side 1473 01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,160 Speaker 1: so that doesn't burn up. But we'll run a fire 1474 01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:00,760 Speaker 1: through our timber and bring on that new growth. And uh, 1475 01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:06,800 Speaker 1: you know, particularly right after you know the spring, the springtime, 1476 01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,600 Speaker 1: right after we do ring a bunch of trees and 1477 01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,280 Speaker 1: open up that soil so that sunlight from those trees 1478 01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:17,240 Speaker 1: that are wrong can shine through and turn it into 1479 01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:22,640 Speaker 1: a jungle. Wow. So what would be you know, with 1480 01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:25,880 Speaker 1: you if you were to set off on your own. 1481 01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,200 Speaker 1: Let's say you guys are now both you've got a 1482 01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:31,320 Speaker 1: little nest egg from all your hard work, You've got 1483 01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:33,800 Speaker 1: a little money, you bought your own little farm, and 1484 01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:36,559 Speaker 1: you somehow have enough time to do your own work 1485 01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:39,000 Speaker 1: for a little bit. But Mark says, you can't use 1486 01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,640 Speaker 1: any of my equipment. You can't you can't use my 1487 01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:44,280 Speaker 1: big water tank, you can't take my tractor. You know, 1488 01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:46,479 Speaker 1: man up, boys and do it on your own. Figure 1489 01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:48,839 Speaker 1: it out. And so now you're on a tight budget 1490 01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,600 Speaker 1: and you've got limited equipment, and your first farm is 1491 01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:55,479 Speaker 1: a little forty acre piece or something, and you, you know, 1492 01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,920 Speaker 1: you had to get started with with a little bit 1493 01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:02,080 Speaker 1: more limited resources and stuff like that. What would be 1494 01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:05,400 Speaker 1: one thing you've learned from all your time here with Mark? 1495 01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:08,080 Speaker 1: What's one project or one thing you've learned that you 1496 01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:11,479 Speaker 1: would try to apply on a budget to improve your 1497 01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:13,800 Speaker 1: first farm. I don't know if something comes to mind, 1498 01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:15,439 Speaker 1: but if you you know, if it's if it's a 1499 01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:17,000 Speaker 1: food plot, you're gonna plan, how do you think you 1500 01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:19,439 Speaker 1: can do it on a budget with with limited equipment? 1501 01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:21,920 Speaker 1: If instead you're like, man, I'm gonna do this other 1502 01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,439 Speaker 1: kind of project, you know, how could you do something 1503 01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:27,960 Speaker 1: on tight time type budget in a small place? Um? 1504 01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:30,000 Speaker 1: What would that one thing that comes to mind for 1505 01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:34,400 Speaker 1: you first? Perry be, I was gonna let Wade go first, 1506 01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:38,400 Speaker 1: But I can tell you mine. I mean, I kind 1507 01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:40,320 Speaker 1: of I kind of got this. My dad and I 1508 01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,679 Speaker 1: have eight acres together in northern Missouri. Um, we don't 1509 01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:45,400 Speaker 1: we don't have a lot of money to do much 1510 01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:50,120 Speaker 1: of anything really, but this year I'm gonna frosteed almost 1511 01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,600 Speaker 1: three and a half acres of clover and uh, I 1512 01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,640 Speaker 1: bought a hundred dollar box line and redid it. So 1513 01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:58,240 Speaker 1: I got a box line and I'm gonna have a 1514 01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:03,120 Speaker 1: huge clover field. So um, that's that's me. Really, I 1515 01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,560 Speaker 1: don't have a big green food source, You're gonna have 1516 01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,000 Speaker 1: a lot of deer that use it. I mean, clover 1517 01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:11,640 Speaker 1: is one of the cheapest, easiest food plots you can do, 1518 01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:15,080 Speaker 1: and I mean the palllability is amazing. We've killed a 1519 01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:18,800 Speaker 1: lot of deer on clover and uh cheap box line 1520 01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,240 Speaker 1: and hold a little bit of cent in you know, 1521 01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:23,920 Speaker 1: get that upper hand on them. But that would be mine. 1522 01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:26,639 Speaker 1: Is is a clover field and a and a good 1523 01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:30,960 Speaker 1: box line. I like it. What about you, Wade? Yeah, 1524 01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:33,519 Speaker 1: I was kind of gonna go down the same path 1525 01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:37,840 Speaker 1: as Perry. Uh in the fact of you know, putting 1526 01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:40,439 Speaker 1: in you know, hopefully you have a little bit of 1527 01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,960 Speaker 1: cover on that farm already that you can improve by. 1528 01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,920 Speaker 1: You know, most everybody owns a chainsaw, a little bit 1529 01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,479 Speaker 1: of t s I to picking it up and hold 1530 01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:52,479 Speaker 1: deer and then uh, you know, go in with a 1531 01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:56,760 Speaker 1: more you know, your lawn mowre and uh mow at all, 1532 01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:00,439 Speaker 1: mow down an area for a little food plot and 1533 01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,040 Speaker 1: uh you know, then go in and and burn that 1534 01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:05,320 Speaker 1: that area off. And then you know, if you don't 1535 01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:07,680 Speaker 1: have a drill or anything like that. You could you know, 1536 01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:11,679 Speaker 1: burn it and then top dress your clover and maybe 1537 01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:14,880 Speaker 1: roll it in with a cultpack. You can go rent 1538 01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:17,920 Speaker 1: you know, behind a four wheeler or truck even and 1539 01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:21,000 Speaker 1: uh but clovers, like Perry was saying, it's just so 1540 01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:23,760 Speaker 1: im palatable to them. It's really easy to get to 1541 01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:26,760 Speaker 1: grow because it's such a small seed, and uh, it's 1542 01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,040 Speaker 1: pretty low maintenance overall. You know, you could take your 1543 01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:31,880 Speaker 1: your house lawn more and mow the weeds out of it. 1544 01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,880 Speaker 1: You could spray it with a backpack sprayer, and uh 1545 01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,800 Speaker 1: it keeps regenerating, so you don't have to have a 1546 01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:40,920 Speaker 1: giant food plot. You know, you could have a you know, 1547 01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,000 Speaker 1: a half acre food plot and and be able to 1548 01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:45,880 Speaker 1: hand spray or four wheel or spray it and uh 1549 01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:48,439 Speaker 1: not need all the equipment. But you know, clovers, like 1550 01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,559 Speaker 1: I said, it's pretty pretty easy to grow and fairly 1551 01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:54,920 Speaker 1: cheap and easy to maintain and keeps growing here after year. 1552 01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:56,680 Speaker 1: So I mean, if you just frost seed it and 1553 01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:01,200 Speaker 1: you know, February every year and keep the grass and 1554 01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:03,519 Speaker 1: weeds off it with spray, you'll have a food plut 1555 01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:07,439 Speaker 1: there every year with low maintenance and low cost yeah, 1556 01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:09,479 Speaker 1: I mean plant food and t s I would be 1557 01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,880 Speaker 1: the two things that about anybody could do. Even if 1558 01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:15,320 Speaker 1: you go to your you know, a little rental place, 1559 01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:18,040 Speaker 1: they can about rent you a pull behind disc if 1560 01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:20,040 Speaker 1: you want to do that, or you know, it's not 1561 01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:22,640 Speaker 1: that expensive to to rent stuff. You don't have to 1562 01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:26,040 Speaker 1: own everything, but you can definitely rent stuff that. You know, 1563 01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:27,960 Speaker 1: you can even pull one of those behind your truck. 1564 01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:31,880 Speaker 1: Everybody has a truck, so um, you know, just small 1565 01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:35,200 Speaker 1: things like that. It's easy to do with just house 1566 01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:38,800 Speaker 1: household stuff. I mean, heck, whenever I was whenever I 1567 01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:42,040 Speaker 1: was in high school, my grandpa he owned an eighty 1568 01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:46,080 Speaker 1: acre farm, and uh my dad and I were out 1569 01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:49,200 Speaker 1: there with with rakes and weed eaters and we were, 1570 01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,040 Speaker 1: you know, a raking. I mean, it wasn't a big 1571 01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:54,040 Speaker 1: plot at all, but we got we got a greenfield 1572 01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:57,080 Speaker 1: to grow by you know t S I and you 1573 01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,800 Speaker 1: know some of that timber where the light would get 1574 01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:01,320 Speaker 1: down into it. We were right on the edge of 1575 01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:03,840 Speaker 1: the timber because he had a crop field, so we 1576 01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:05,200 Speaker 1: had to go right on the edge of the timber 1577 01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:08,280 Speaker 1: and we went in and uh wrung those trees where 1578 01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,600 Speaker 1: the light would get down to the plot and we 1579 01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:12,840 Speaker 1: use all the weeks that grew in the timber and 1580 01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:14,920 Speaker 1: raked all the leaves out of there, and and got 1581 01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:16,600 Speaker 1: that seat down and raked it all in. It was 1582 01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:18,599 Speaker 1: a lot of handwork, but we had a small little 1583 01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:21,920 Speaker 1: greenfield to hunt over, so it could be done. Um, 1584 01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:24,320 Speaker 1: you know, it takes a little time and a little 1585 01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:27,479 Speaker 1: bit of effort and uh, but you could have have 1586 01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:31,519 Speaker 1: a little plot to hunt over for sure. But definitely 1587 01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:35,560 Speaker 1: food always helps. Yeah, hard to argue with that. So 1588 01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:37,120 Speaker 1: I want to I want to let you guys go 1589 01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:40,000 Speaker 1: so you can get your stuff together and getting ready 1590 01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,599 Speaker 1: to go coy out hunting to night. But one last question, 1591 01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:46,600 Speaker 1: which is that I'm curious as you look forward to 1592 01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:49,439 Speaker 1: this new year, and I'm sure you guys have already 1593 01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:51,880 Speaker 1: been thinking about this. I gotta believe that Mark's already 1594 01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:55,560 Speaker 1: staying up late at night, not sleeping, thinking about the 1595 01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:58,400 Speaker 1: one buck or the two big bucks or whatever dear 1596 01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:01,000 Speaker 1: he's hoping him praying will survive and make it to 1597 01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:03,840 Speaker 1: next year. I'm wondering, if you have a buck like 1598 01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,519 Speaker 1: that in mind already, what do you think the most 1599 01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:10,000 Speaker 1: important habitat project is going to be for you guys 1600 01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,360 Speaker 1: to help you kill whatever that one or two or 1601 01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:17,760 Speaker 1: whatever these target bucks are that you're really hoping they're 1602 01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:20,479 Speaker 1: gonna blow and survive next year. Is there one project 1603 01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:22,240 Speaker 1: that comes to mind that you guys are thinking, like, man, 1604 01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:25,599 Speaker 1: there's probably buck a and there's this little food plot 1605 01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:27,200 Speaker 1: that I know we gotta fix up. Or is there 1606 01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:28,800 Speaker 1: anything that you guys can think of off the top 1607 01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:30,479 Speaker 1: of your minds that you know you're really gonna have 1608 01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:35,600 Speaker 1: to nail this year. You know. The main thing is, 1609 01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:39,400 Speaker 1: like all of our stuff is pretty dialed. I mean, 1610 01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:41,760 Speaker 1: we haven't really gotten any new farms over the last 1611 01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:46,400 Speaker 1: couple of years, so everything's pretty dialed in from that standpoint. So, 1612 01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:48,200 Speaker 1: I mean the main thing that we got to focus 1613 01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:50,920 Speaker 1: on is just making sure we have good food plots. 1614 01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:52,880 Speaker 1: We get them in with the timely rain, we make 1615 01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:55,880 Speaker 1: sure they're prepps perfect, um, you know, just so we 1616 01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:59,320 Speaker 1: have the food that we need to sustain us all 1617 01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:01,800 Speaker 1: year to to be able to kill that deer. I mean, 1618 01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:05,400 Speaker 1: that's our number one thing. So I said, we've got 1619 01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:09,800 Speaker 1: everything pretty well dialed from the point of like improvements. 1620 01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:15,320 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we just picked up a new lease. Um, 1621 01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:21,000 Speaker 1: it's kind of uh, it'll be a project Farm if 1622 01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:23,920 Speaker 1: you will. We got clearance from the CRP program to 1623 01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,960 Speaker 1: do you know big Greenfield, Big Greenfield that's kind of 1624 01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:30,960 Speaker 1: out away from uh some huge cover. I mean there's 1625 01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:32,760 Speaker 1: some good cover on it, but it'll be interesting to 1626 01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:38,200 Speaker 1: see what bucks we hold from summer to winter because 1627 01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:40,920 Speaker 1: we don't have a pile of cover. We got some 1628 01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:44,360 Speaker 1: so there'll be a nice project farm. I think we're 1629 01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:47,679 Speaker 1: gonna dial it up real nice and I look forward 1630 01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:53,080 Speaker 1: to to seeing what it produces. Well, I think you know, 1631 01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:55,560 Speaker 1: everybody should know to be checking out dear cast and 1632 01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,280 Speaker 1: I'll be checking out the YouTube channel uh to to 1633 01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:00,439 Speaker 1: follow on these kinds of things. But is there anything 1634 01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:03,840 Speaker 1: specific you want to send folks to to check out 1635 01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:05,759 Speaker 1: or for us to be keeping an eye out anything 1636 01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:07,320 Speaker 1: new we should be keeping an eye out for this 1637 01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:10,200 Speaker 1: year when it comes to content or anything else. Or 1638 01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:14,439 Speaker 1: should we just stay tuned and keep on falling along. Yeah, 1639 01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:17,680 Speaker 1: I mean, deer cast is are our main outlet for 1640 01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:21,080 Speaker 1: all of our new stuff. I mean, you know, you 1641 01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:24,799 Speaker 1: get in the now content right there. Um. With Turkey 1642 01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,839 Speaker 1: season coming up, we'll be doing doing all the Lives 1643 01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:31,800 Speaker 1: again and and having a Turkey Season twenty three where 1644 01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:34,360 Speaker 1: you know they could watch all of our turkey kills 1645 01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:37,320 Speaker 1: right there, you know, within a day or so of 1646 01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:41,640 Speaker 1: us killing. So we're gonna get that instant, instant gratification. 1647 01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:45,120 Speaker 1: So just stay tuned to deer Cast and and the 1648 01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:48,720 Speaker 1: feed there and um, best of luck to everybody this 1649 01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:57,160 Speaker 1: spring and uh and and working towards that that fall. Yeah, 1650 01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:04,439 Speaker 1: we're ready turkey and be where we're coming for you. Well, hey, guys, 1651 01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:06,760 Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking time and do this. I know 1652 01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:11,360 Speaker 1: that this this slight slowdown is um time that you cherish, 1653 01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,439 Speaker 1: I'm sure, so thanks for sharing a little bit of 1654 01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:15,720 Speaker 1: that time with me and talking habitant. This has been fun. 1655 01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:19,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely appreciate it, Mark anytime, man, all right, and that's 1656 01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:22,320 Speaker 1: a rap. Thank you all for joining me. Like I said, 1657 01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:24,360 Speaker 1: be sure to check out what they've got going on 1658 01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:27,840 Speaker 1: over on deer Cast. Big thanks to Wade, Perry, Mark 1659 01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:31,360 Speaker 1: and the whole team. Um. I've appreciated what they've shared 1660 01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:33,759 Speaker 1: with the world for many years and with their generous 1661 01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:37,200 Speaker 1: you know the fact that they're always willing to chat 1662 01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:38,919 Speaker 1: with me and chat with us here at the podcast, 1663 01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:41,519 Speaker 1: I certainly have learned a lot and uh, I think 1664 01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,840 Speaker 1: a lot of you have too. So thanks gentlemen, thank 1665 01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:47,840 Speaker 1: you all for listening. It's time to start getting back 1666 01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:49,960 Speaker 1: to work. If we've had a little break from deer, 1667 01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:53,120 Speaker 1: now it's time to dive back in. We have work 1668 01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:54,800 Speaker 1: to do out in the property. If you own land 1669 01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:57,160 Speaker 1: or lease land, or have access to something with a 1670 01:30:57,240 --> 01:31:00,320 Speaker 1: buddy who does have the ability to do improvements, it's 1671 01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:02,559 Speaker 1: a great time to get out there, do some work, 1672 01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:06,360 Speaker 1: have fun with it, and invest in your future now 1673 01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:08,960 Speaker 1: by doing this work, and help all the critters that 1674 01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:11,360 Speaker 1: live out there too, So so win win in my book. 1675 01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:15,400 Speaker 1: So thanks all, appreciate you, and until next time, stay 1676 01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:17,559 Speaker 1: wired to HU