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Speaker 1: Let's get it rolling, and we welcome you to this
Speaker 1: episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just
Speaker 1: Baseball Podcast network, recording here on Sunday, March third. By
Speaker 1: the time you hear this episode, Lal and I will
Speaker 1: be twenty ten enough, at least i'll be ten. I
Speaker 1: don't know about Lyle. Maybe he'll just be sunburned, but
Speaker 1: I guess we'll have to to find out. We'll be
Speaker 1: right in the heart of our Arizona trip and as
Speaker 1: our infield preview rolls along today. We'll start behind the
Speaker 1: plate with cal Rawley. But let's see on this Mariner's infield.
Speaker 1: We're gonna make it our goal to talk to every
Speaker 1: single one of these players while we're down there if
Speaker 1: we can, and then recillcrow around with our preview once
Speaker 1: we get back.
Speaker 2: What do you mean by recircle?
Speaker 1: Like, well, but they're like, hey, teach, I'm hitting forty
Speaker 1: bombs this year. I was like, oh, okay, we'll reevaluate now.
Speaker 2: I got you. Who's gonna be the one that say
Speaker 2: they'd hit forty bombs. Honestly, if it was Tie, I
Speaker 2: might perk my ears up.
Speaker 1: What a jump that would be. I mean yeah, I
Speaker 1: probably we would probably have to just say, all right,
Speaker 1: we got to do version two of this, because if
Speaker 1: Ti Frans is hitting forty bombs this year, this roster's
Speaker 1: gonna look look a lot different, a lot different.
Speaker 2: I'd be, you know what, I'd be playing happy if
Speaker 2: he hits twenty to twenty five and just gets his
Speaker 2: WRC plus back up to like one twenty five, one thirty.
Speaker 2: But you know what, we can we can dive into
Speaker 2: all of that.
Speaker 1: That'll be great. Let's start behind the plate with cal
Speaker 1: Raley the Mariners projected starting catcher here in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: coming off a twenty twenty three season where he hit
Speaker 1: two thirty two with a three zero six on base
Speaker 1: percentage and a four to fifty six slugging percentage, good
Speaker 1: for a one to eleven WRC plus four point seven
Speaker 1: fangrafts wins above replacement. He walks nine and a half
Speaker 1: percent of the time and struck out twenty seven point
Speaker 1: eight percent of the time. What is your outlook on
Speaker 1: cal Rawley's twenty twenty four season.
Speaker 2: I don't see why he shouldn't continue to repeat and
Speaker 2: replicate what he's been doing the last couple of seasons.
Speaker 2: There's areas he can still get better. He could still
Speaker 2: hit better from the right side of the plate, like
Speaker 2: his WRC plus from that side seventy nine. It's obviously
Speaker 2: much better from the left side, where all his power
Speaker 2: comes from. He can the ball a little bit better,
Speaker 2: like his blocks above average were down below average, And
Speaker 2: like there's areas he can still clean it up, like
Speaker 2: cal Rally may always be a strikeout guy. If you
Speaker 2: want to look at his strikeout right and say maybe
Speaker 2: he can bring it down a little bit. That's another area.
Speaker 2: But for the most part, you're talking about a catcher
Speaker 2: who by F four was one of the three best
Speaker 2: catchers in baseball. He let all catchers in home runs
Speaker 2: last year. You know he's got pop, you know he's
Speaker 2: got you know, he calls a good game, you know
Speaker 2: he's got a good arm, and you know he's probably
Speaker 2: gonna put out a similar season next year. And I
Speaker 2: think that's what people should expect. Average isn't gonna be crazy,
Speaker 2: home runs will be high. Ops should jump up like
Speaker 2: and be carried by the home runs and ultimately service
Speaker 2: one of the better catchers in the league. I think
Speaker 2: that's who cal Rally is at this point. I think
Speaker 2: he's proven that how.
Speaker 1: Many catchers in baseball can do what cal Rally does,
Speaker 1: like switch hit, I mean like switch hit plus power
Speaker 1: plus framing plus arm like Adly get that it's just
Speaker 1: might just be Adley. The switch hitting's kind of unfair
Speaker 1: because there aren't very many switch hitting catchers. But even
Speaker 1: if you just frame it as plus power plus framing
Speaker 1: plus arm, great team leader like, you still might just
Speaker 1: circle around to Adley and that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the team leader thing certainly makes it interesting. I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe you throw Sean Murphy into there too, potentially, But
Speaker 2: it's the point is the list is short, and I
Speaker 2: honestly think people lowball cal Raley when they try to
Speaker 2: rank them in these preseason rankings, like we've seen on
Speaker 2: some of these catcher lists, They'll get put it seven,
Speaker 2: sometimes six, sometimes eight. I think he should be higher
Speaker 2: than that. I like, if they were up to me,
Speaker 2: cal Like again, especially when you finish top three among
Speaker 2: catchers in f WOAR, He's in the top five for sure.
Speaker 1: For me, I'm wondering if there is is there any
Speaker 1: more there for cal to unlock in his back I
Speaker 1: feel like a two point thirty average, the on base
Speaker 1: percentage could probably be a little higher, but if he's
Speaker 1: not gonna hit for a high average, it's really difficult
Speaker 1: to get your on base percentage higher than say three
Speaker 1: thirty if you're gonna hit two thirty. So maybe not there.
Speaker 1: His slugging percentage you could go up a little, but
Speaker 1: he just finished the season with thirty bombs. So like,
Speaker 1: if you're like, we're sitting here nitpicking, is there really
Speaker 1: another level for cal Raley to unlock In twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four at the plate, he would, like you said, probably
Speaker 1: have to take a huge step from the right side
Speaker 1: facing lefties. That like that would need to go up
Speaker 1: significantly for him to have a chance at it. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: you know, even if it's only a one to eleven,
Speaker 1: let's say, let's go right in the middle between his
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three campaigns, which was
Speaker 1: one twenty and one eleven WRC plus and you put
Speaker 1: cal at like a one sixteen. I mean, that's for
Speaker 1: a catcher. That is all you can ask for at
Speaker 1: the plate. You can't ask for anything more for cal Raley,
Speaker 1: and it's all you need really to be honest, you
Speaker 1: don't need cal Raley to be the best hitter on
Speaker 1: your team because you've supplemented the lineup around him for
Speaker 1: that to be the case. Where if you just take
Speaker 1: a mix of his twenty two and twenty three seasons,
Speaker 1: that's fine. You don't need anything else from cal Raley.
Speaker 1: What you need from cal Raley is what Scott Service
Speaker 1: needed from cal Rawley this offseason, where he's making his
Speaker 1: list of six guys he's gonna go talk to this
Speaker 1: offseason and like, hey, I need you guys to help
Speaker 1: lead this clubhouse this season in the wake of on
Speaker 1: financial uncertainty and who is his first call? Who do
Speaker 1: he call first? Lyle in terms of what cal Rawley
Speaker 1: and the offseason, who Scott was going to talk to?
Speaker 1: Who was cal he called first? Oh, that's first on
Speaker 1: the bocket.
Speaker 2: Well in terms of who Scott talking, Yeah, Like, it's
Speaker 2: funny cal Raley when he came up was pretty reserved,
Speaker 2: wasn't loudly spoken. Now he's one of the team leaders.
Speaker 2: He's definitively one of the team leaders. And a lot
Speaker 2: of catchers are, but some aren't. And Cal has very
Speaker 2: very evidently stepped into that role and done so very well.
Speaker 2: Might I add so? Yes, Like, along with everything he
Speaker 2: brings to the table at the plate and behind the plate,
Speaker 2: he also brings it in the clubhouse.
Speaker 1: And there could be, you know, as cal goes another
Speaker 1: year into his big league career, a little bit of
Speaker 1: a I don't even know if it's like an emotional
Speaker 1: maturity thing. I mean, you don't want like a public
Speaker 1: outbreak like there was last season. Cal Rawley, I think
Speaker 1: had a valid reason for speaking the way he did
Speaker 1: last season, But knowing how cal Rawly sort of retracted
Speaker 1: his statement and how he's felt like he's sort of
Speaker 1: grown in this offseason. I don't know if he would
Speaker 1: do that again, right, I don't think he would. He
Speaker 1: would do what he did in Game one sixty one
Speaker 1: last year again. I would be curious to see what
Speaker 1: happens if the Mariners have a situation like they did
Speaker 1: last year, where they start playing poorly, they're falling behind
Speaker 1: the Rangers and Astros, and things are sort of boiling
Speaker 1: up and getting frustrated for some of the core guys
Speaker 1: on this roster who might still feel not feel like
Speaker 1: the roster is good enough.
Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody would speak out again, and
Speaker 2: you'd probably see it happen internally, maybe in house or sorry,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't see it. Maybe it would happen internally. But
Speaker 2: I think in that scenario you'd see Cal either you know,
Speaker 2: take matters into his own hands and either maybe there's
Speaker 2: some players only meetings or maybe he has discussions internally
Speaker 2: with management or front office people, whoever. But I think
Speaker 2: more than anything, if they get behind early, you're probably
Speaker 2: gonna see I mean, you'd probably I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: really know, to be honest, I'm trying to think of
Speaker 2: even like, just think out loud here about what might happen.
Speaker 2: I don't know what would happen if they fell behind again.
Speaker 2: I'm sure Cal would probably try to motivate the guys internally,
Speaker 2: but you're right in the sense of I don't think
Speaker 2: anything would happen publicly again.
Speaker 1: No, and you know, maybe there might be comments off
Speaker 1: the record, but that's it, Like, I don't think you'd
Speaker 1: do that again. I think the point as a leader
Speaker 1: is you don't let that stuff get out. You don't
Speaker 1: give yourself the opportunity to feel vulnerable. I mean the
Speaker 1: Mariners certainly, when that came out and you saw the
Speaker 1: outcry from the fan base and everything else, you feel
Speaker 1: like the team is vulnerable at that point and not
Speaker 1: not as geled together because if you have someone willing
Speaker 1: to say that, whether it's intentional or not, you're demeaning
Speaker 1: other parts of your roster. And you know, that's all
Speaker 1: part of growing into the leadership role that Cal feels
Speaker 1: like he has to occupy this season. Like Scott Service
Speaker 1: leans on his players a lot to lead this team.
Speaker 1: So when times are tough, instead of you know, going
Speaker 1: and saying where like we need we need more, it's
Speaker 1: instead going to be how do I get the most
Speaker 1: out of this roster currently? We can all have our
Speaker 1: opinions on the Mariners spending habits. You and I have
Speaker 1: been very vocal about their spending habits on this podcast,
Speaker 1: and cal is welcome to have those as well. But
Speaker 1: for an organization that likes good pr you know, it's
Speaker 1: part of cal Rally's game and I'm curious to see
Speaker 1: how he handles it this year as we go on
Speaker 1: into twenty twenty four, so exciting season for col We
Speaker 1: look for the best offensively, defensively as well, and you know,
Speaker 1: continuing to be the ultra reliable guy behind the plate, and.
Speaker 2: They should extend him. That's what I'll end with. Well,
Speaker 2: they you know it was agent is. Yes, we know
Speaker 2: that it might be unlikely, but the Mariner should do
Speaker 2: whatever it takes to keep that guy around because clearly
Speaker 2: he wants to win, clearly likes the organization.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it sounds like he wants to be here too.
Speaker 1: And last I checked, I think Scott's lack of a
Speaker 1: little cash. He turned down of some huge paydays this
Speaker 1: offseason for his clients and instead it's going to get
Speaker 1: left with like thirty percent of what he was asking for.
Speaker 1: I think you might need a long term extension to
Speaker 1: sort of refill the coffers a little bit.
Speaker 2: That sounds great. You got to catcher in Seattle that
Speaker 2: wants to be in his home, in his organization that
Speaker 2: he came up with. So there's a match made in heaven.
Speaker 2: Speaking of a match made in heaven, the Mariners first
Speaker 2: baseman seems to have found a match made in heaven
Speaker 2: with his off season program over at drive Line This Winner.
Speaker 2: That's Ty France. He finished twenty twenty three with a
Speaker 2: bit of a disappointing year. The number sat at two
Speaker 2: fifty batting average with twelve home runs, fifty eight runs
Speaker 2: batted in, seven oh three ops one four WRC plus
Speaker 2: and just a half an f four zero point five.
Speaker 2: So Ty took matters into his own hands. He followed
Speaker 2: his buddy JP Crawford to drive Line This Winner. The
Speaker 2: results seem to be very very positive early on. He's
Speaker 2: shown some of it in spring training, and what he
Speaker 2: can do in twenty twenty four is kind of unknown.
Speaker 2: There's this balance of okay. The last year and a half,
Speaker 2: Ty France has had his major struggle. So the second
Speaker 2: half of twenty two after the injury, and a lot
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty three. But there's also the side of, well,
Speaker 2: we saw it work for JP, can this work for
Speaker 2: ty France? Where he just pops off? And I certainly
Speaker 2: think there's a world where he can. In fact, if
Speaker 2: I had to pick one side or the other, I
Speaker 2: think he will bounce back. But we also know that
Speaker 2: simply going to drive line doesn't just magically work for
Speaker 2: every single player. It depends on the player, and it
Speaker 2: depends on how they adjust everything they've learned to real
Speaker 2: games when the season starts. So there's a lot to
Speaker 2: unpack with ty Franz. But I think the general consensus
Speaker 2: is obviously Americers need him to be better than he
Speaker 2: was in twenty.
Speaker 1: Three, and there's a lot of spaces they need him
Speaker 1: to be better. I mean, you could say, yeah, he
Speaker 1: needs to be flat out better, but I mean, first
Speaker 1: of all, it's keeping his physique throughout the season. There's
Speaker 1: been some rave reports throughout camp of how in shape
Speaker 1: he is, how he feels a little bit faster, how
Speaker 1: he feels more athletic, and that he says he's open
Speaker 1: to playing bold first and third base, and that he
Speaker 1: physically feels like he can do it opposed to last
Speaker 1: season where he only played first base. So there's that,
Speaker 1: there's the staying healthy, not getting hit by a pitch,
Speaker 1: not having like a ball go off his wrists and
Speaker 1: have him affect an entire half season of his There's that,
Speaker 1: and then there's just sort of the redefined offensive approach
Speaker 1: that he had at Is he gonna hit the ball
Speaker 1: in the air a little bit more? Is it going
Speaker 1: to have a little bit more true power to it
Speaker 1: opposed to more of his softer hitting previous I'll say
Speaker 1: almost like previous life in that aspect. In previous seasons
Speaker 1: in twenty three and twenty two and twenty one, more
Speaker 1: of a light hitter, singles, doubles, a few home runs
Speaker 1: mixed in there. But this season, could he have true
Speaker 1: first base power with a more redefined swinging, a calmer
Speaker 1: batpath to the ball, a slimmer frame, more athletic, deeper
Speaker 1: in the box, farther off the plate. Does he feel
Speaker 1: like he can do that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Those are all the boxes I'm looking for ty france
Speaker 1: to check off. And we talked about the leadership with
Speaker 1: cal Rawley. Ty Franz was on that list too, even
Speaker 1: though ty Franz was worried if he was gonna even
Speaker 1: get tender to contract this year, Scott Service made it
Speaker 1: feel like ty Frantz was one of the guys on
Speaker 1: this infield who is a leader this year again and
Speaker 1: on him to keep his mentality and the rest of
Speaker 1: the enfield's mentality good as the season goes a long.
Speaker 2: What is a realistic expectation for ty France this year?
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, as you turned your light on,
Speaker 2: you're starting to get a little bit dark in there
Speaker 2: for those.
Speaker 1: A little bit now that beam behind us. But that's fine,
Speaker 1: we'll make it work.
Speaker 2: What do you think a realistic expectation is for Tye?
Speaker 2: I do think the power is gonna go up, and
Speaker 2: they're talking about he's pulling the ball more.
Speaker 1: But what do we think Probably not forty twenty five.
Speaker 1: I'd like to see twenty five. Like just let's let's
Speaker 1: do a marginal jump. Let's not let's not say ty
Speaker 1: France is going to double his like double his home
Speaker 1: run total. Now, if he does like a JP Crawford
Speaker 1: thirty points of WRC plus higher than his previous career high,
Speaker 1: then maybe we could talk about forty because then we'd
Speaker 1: be in the one sixty range. But I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: a marginal, a nice marginal improvement for ty France would
Speaker 1: be back to his previous career high of a one
Speaker 1: twenty nine WRC plus and twenty five bombs.
Speaker 2: Is it odd at all that, first off, I think
Speaker 2: that's about right, And now that he's pulling the ball
Speaker 2: more and seemingly hitting it with a little more authority,
Speaker 2: it does seem like a real possibility. Is it odd
Speaker 2: at all that when you look at Tye's peripherals from
Speaker 2: last year, when you pull up his Baseball Savant page,
Speaker 2: that his barrel rate and his hard hit rate were
Speaker 2: actually higher than they were in twenty one and twenty
Speaker 2: two when he was playing well, and he also with less.
Speaker 2: I don't know that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting. I do think the randomness
Speaker 1: of baseball probably plays a fact into that, And I
Speaker 1: think ty could tell you that, you know, just because
Speaker 1: it's not always how hard you hit the ball, it's
Speaker 1: also where you hit it. And Tye admitted his swing
Speaker 1: last year felt kind of like just felt kind of
Speaker 1: off because he wasn't hitting the balls in the right spots.
Speaker 1: So even if he was technically, hitting the ball harder
Speaker 1: doesn't always mean it was better. So and then the
Speaker 1: results spoke for itself. And just think of how many
Speaker 1: hits ty Frantz left on the table because he wasn't
Speaker 1: fast enough, didn't feel athletic enough last year. Certain there's
Speaker 1: certainly enough to make that the case. So definitely an
Speaker 1: interesting point, but I feel like it's very hard to
Speaker 1: use past year's judgment to judge this year's ty France.
Speaker 1: I feel like Ty Frants can be totally different. I
Speaker 1: just feel like this is his mentality has changed so
Speaker 1: much to how he approaches the game of baseball and
Speaker 1: how he approaches his hitting, his fielding, et cetera, all
Speaker 1: this stuff. It's no longer Ty France training with Ty
Speaker 1: France in the off season. It's Ty France going and
Speaker 1: getting outside help to help him move along this offseason
Speaker 1: right and and become a better player and have a
Speaker 1: different swing path and have and be and be in
Speaker 1: better shape. And then and feeling like, you know, he
Speaker 1: improved his diet, which I'm jealous of. I need to
Speaker 1: I need to do that too. Man, I've been so
Speaker 1: lazy this year. Not not a good sign. But off
Speaker 1: the Ty France Tree of just doing that and like
Speaker 1: the little things of improving yourself, I think have a
Speaker 1: chance to make a massive this year, And which is
Speaker 1: why I think it's kind of hard to use past
Speaker 1: years to judge this year's version of Tie.
Speaker 2: And those third base rumors, man, those are interesting because
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, not only if Ty's gonna if
Speaker 2: Ty's gonna be more athletic this year and he's hitting
Speaker 2: and feels like he's comfortable to move over to third base,
Speaker 2: not only does it give him more options, but Tyler Locklear,
Speaker 2: that dude's coming like He's already mashed during spring training.
Speaker 2: He's hit at every level of the minor league. He
Speaker 2: is on a fast track on his way through the minors.
Speaker 2: And if the Mariners think that back can help mid season,
Speaker 2: maybe defensively, it gets a little interesting. But if you
Speaker 2: had the potential that Ty France a third, Locklear at
Speaker 2: first and Mitch Garver dhing, whoo, yeah, that gets very
Speaker 2: good group.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's a pretty good group. How much third base
Speaker 1: do we think Tye's playing this year?
Speaker 2: I think likely not much, And maybe they just end
Speaker 2: up being rumors, But truthfully, a lot of it probably
Speaker 2: depends on Locklear because of Locker hitting so well that
Speaker 2: they say his bat has to be in the lineup. Well,
Speaker 2: you can't move Mitch Garverer. He needs to be a
Speaker 2: DH he catches. Not only does that take time from
Speaker 2: cal but that is how Garver's gotten injured. A lot
Speaker 2: of his career is catching. So I think it depends
Speaker 2: on what happens with Lockler. I don't think you'll see
Speaker 2: ty France play much third base early in the year.
Speaker 2: You can see it later.
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of I'd be kind of nervous with
Speaker 1: him over there. He has played in twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: and twenty two. I've somehow forgotten the fact he played
Speaker 1: nearly ten games worth of third base. He played eighty
Speaker 1: six innings of third base in twenty twenty one and
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Managed to have four defensive run saved
Speaker 1: in those eighty six innings. That's not very good. Notice
Speaker 1: that a full season's worth of innings is what like
Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen hundred innings, So multiply negative four by eighteen.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're so it was negative four defensive run saved.
Speaker 2: I think at first you said four.
Speaker 1: Sorry, negative four, Sorry, that's what I meant negative four
Speaker 1: and it's out above average at first base has never
Speaker 1: been above thirty fifth percentile in a full season. That
Speaker 1: does not lead me to believe right now that ty
Speaker 1: France his offense could outdo his defense at third to
Speaker 1: be honest, but that's pretty better.
Speaker 2: But what if ty France is mashing and Tyler Lockler's
Speaker 2: mashing and Mitch Garver's mashing does.
Speaker 1: For having like fifth percentile defense over there at third
Speaker 1: base and the effect it has on your pitcher, does
Speaker 1: that outweigh it? I don't think it does. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, think of how the Mariners infield is
Speaker 1: right now. You have questional defenders at shortstop and second base.
Speaker 1: You have right now with Arius and Rojas, a question
Speaker 1: market third when it comes to defense, and you would
Speaker 1: downgrade that defense by putting ty France at third base.
Speaker 1: So then you would have, no matter how good your
Speaker 1: first base defense is, your pitching staff would have to
Speaker 1: deal with one of the worst defensive infields in baseball statistically.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. I would be a little nervous
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 2: I'll just say it again, though. If everybody's hitting Locklear included,
Speaker 2: there has to be some solution, and that seems like
Speaker 2: the most likely one.
Speaker 1: Meridi's pictures would not be happy. They'd love to see
Speaker 1: the runs. Well, when a ball gets put in play
Speaker 1: routinely on the infield, you expect it to being out.
Speaker 1: And I guarantee you it's not Gino over there at
Speaker 1: third anymore. There's no it's it would be less likely
Speaker 1: to be routine. I'm just seeing what the numbers say
Speaker 1: would not be pretty lest they blew me away and
Speaker 1: cheach everything overnight.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, if Tie's get a completely new
Speaker 2: player at the play, maybe somehow he's cleaned up his
Speaker 2: defense too over at third base, and not even cleaned up,
Speaker 2: just gotten much better with it because he hasn't played
Speaker 2: over there that much and he doesn't have to be great.
Speaker 2: If he was even just league average. Remember how bad
Speaker 2: Gino's defense was when he came over here, and they said,
Speaker 2: if he can just be league average, then that's win.
Speaker 2: What if they what if Perry Hill can help tybee
Speaker 2: league average over there?
Speaker 1: Eventually would be a huge jump, a huge jump. But
Speaker 1: at least Gino was an infielder on the left side
Speaker 1: in the previous life. Ty France is not.
Speaker 2: That's true. Well, he he was a third baseman at
Speaker 2: one point. He played other positions, but.
Speaker 1: Well there's a reason he didn't come over to the
Speaker 1: Mariners as a third baseman.
Speaker 2: No, he did come over as a third baseman.
Speaker 1: He was he was a first. I think he was
Speaker 1: a first, last, second baseman.
Speaker 2: I think he was all three. But like he played
Speaker 2: everything in the miners with the Padres, I think I
Speaker 2: think primarily in the in the miners with the Padres,
Speaker 2: Tye played third. But it would it would, yes, it
Speaker 2: would be a jump for him to get back to that.
Speaker 2: That being said, Tyler Lockler's not making the team out
Speaker 2: of camp. It's gonna be a bit till he get
Speaker 2: called up anyway. So for now, obviously ty France will
Speaker 2: be playing for a base and more than anything, I
Speaker 2: think we're pretty excited to see what he can look
Speaker 2: like in twenty twenty fourth plate.
Speaker 1: So I concur let's get to the next position on
Speaker 1: this Mariners infield. Let's go to second base. Jorge Polonco
Speaker 1: acquired in a trade from the Minnesota Twins in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. He played nearly exactly half of the season,
Speaker 1: a two fifty five, three thirty five four fifty four
Speaker 1: slash line one to eighteen WRC plus in eighty games
Speaker 1: one and a half fangrafts wins above replacement, a walk
Speaker 1: rate of ten and a half percent in a strikeout
Speaker 1: rate of twenty five point seven percent. Is this the
Speaker 1: best second baseman lyle the Mariners have had since Robinson Cano?
Speaker 1: It feels like an easy yes.
Speaker 2: I'd say it's definitively yes. Orge Polonco in his last
Speaker 2: four full seasons has put up a WRC plus of
Speaker 2: one to eighteen or better. That's consistency. He didn't have
Speaker 2: a great year in twenty twenty, but again I kind
Speaker 2: of throw that year out the window for any good
Speaker 2: players who had down years because it was such a
Speaker 2: fluky year. Porge Polonko is absolutely the best offensive second
Speaker 2: baseman this team has had since Robinson can Out. And
Speaker 2: there's some things he does very well, Like you know,
Speaker 2: he can hit for some power. He hits fastballs and
Speaker 2: change ups particularly well when you look at the breakdown
Speaker 2: pitch by pitch of what he mashes versus what he doesn't.
Speaker 2: But the guy has to stay on the field. That
Speaker 2: is the key. Played eighty games last year, we know
Speaker 2: this is a we know this is a cloud hanging
Speaker 2: over the head of the Mariners this year. Is this
Speaker 2: seam going to be really good if guys stay healthy.
Speaker 2: Polonco is one of the main factors when you're talking
Speaker 2: about that topic. He has got to stay on the field.
Speaker 2: Eighty games last year is not enough. The Mariners need
Speaker 2: him on the field for one hundred and thirty plus
Speaker 2: games to do what they intend to do in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. So if Jorge Polanco stays healthy, this is
Speaker 2: going to be one very, very exciting second basement to watch.
Speaker 1: Offensively, on our Wednesday mailbag show, I chose Jorge Polanco
Speaker 1: as the Mariners' most valuable hitter after Julio Do you
Speaker 1: want to know why that is? Lyele? I played a
Speaker 1: fun exercise when I was prepping for this. I went
Speaker 1: back and I looked at the last five seasons of
Speaker 1: Mariner's second base production. Cover your ears. If there are
Speaker 1: children around, I don't think they want to hear these numbers.
Speaker 1: Ops by year at second base twenty nineteen, six ninety seven,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six oh four, twenty twenty one, six fifty three,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, six oh seven, twenty twenty three, six
Speaker 1: oh seven ops. I mean, my god, like Jorge Polanco
Speaker 1: could have one of the worst hitting seasons of his career,
Speaker 1: say a seven to seventy ops and nuke the Mariner's
Speaker 1: pass production of second base out of the water. I
Speaker 1: mean that is like, that's the level of upgrade we're
Speaker 1: talking about with Jorge polonkos someone who has the potential
Speaker 1: to have plus power. He has a thirty homer season
Speaker 1: in his career, He can walk over ten percent of
Speaker 1: the time, and at his peak, he doesn't strike out
Speaker 1: that much. I have a feeling his strikeout rate last
Speaker 1: year was due to the fact he was never fully
Speaker 1: healthy when he was playing. Last year. He dealt with
Speaker 1: hamstring issues, he dealt with knee issues, and you know,
Speaker 1: when you're in and out of the lineup, that can
Speaker 1: mess with your timing and therefore lead you to strike
Speaker 1: out more. Which is twenty five percent strikeout rate was
Speaker 1: the highest of his career last year. But at his peak,
Speaker 1: he's like an eighteen to nineteen percent strikeout rate guy.
Speaker 1: So if you can pair that with a ten percent
Speaker 1: walk rate plus power, don't let's not talk about his
Speaker 1: defense at second base. I mean, we're talking about the
Speaker 1: Mariners middle of the order, bat at second base, right
Speaker 1: behind Julio or behind Garver or behind cow or wherever
Speaker 1: they decide to put Jorge Polanco. That's the kind of
Speaker 1: guy you're putting there, and that's the kind of guy
Speaker 1: I'm I'm excited to watch this guy this year. I
Speaker 1: am through the moon to watch Horge Polanco.
Speaker 2: This is the guy who hit thirty plus home runs
Speaker 2: just a couple seasons ago. Like, this guy has real power,
Speaker 2: and he hit in Minnesota. Minnesota is not a hitter's tark.
Speaker 2: So the guy can hit anywhere. And if he's just healthy,
Speaker 2: You're talking about such a booze at second base for
Speaker 2: the Mariners, Like the two former twins. They acquired Mitch Garver,
Speaker 2: who I guess was from the Rangers because he hit
Speaker 2: free agency after playing for the Rangers, but he was
Speaker 2: a twin. Mitch Garver, Jorge Polanko, those guys hit. Oh.
Speaker 2: This team looks way different than it did a season ago.
Speaker 2: And Polonko specifically, if he can stay healthy, if he
Speaker 2: cuts the strikeouts back down, if he shows some of
Speaker 2: the power that he very clearly has and can hit
Speaker 2: gap to gap two, which we know he can. Oh,
Speaker 2: like look out, like this offense gets that much more deadly.
Speaker 2: Like there's so many factors with this too. Everybody talks
Speaker 2: about the health thing with the negatives. What if everything
Speaker 2: goes right, What if Polanco's on the field all year?
Speaker 2: What if ty France really makes all those drive line
Speaker 2: improvements and looks similar to how JP did last year,
Speaker 2: all those things, Like, there's a world this team can
Speaker 2: be really scary offensively.
Speaker 1: I will note defensively, he is a sub twentieth percentile
Speaker 1: awaa guy in his prime, and that is not projected
Speaker 1: to get any better as he ages in his career.
Speaker 1: He's gonna play some second base. I'm gonna guess it's
Speaker 1: some point he'll play some third base this year for
Speaker 1: the Mariners. I hope it's gonna His offense is gonna
Speaker 1: be enough to outweigh his defense. I know JP Crawford
Speaker 1: said that he was very excited to turn double plays
Speaker 1: with Jorge Blanco, and he's excited for Jorgey on defense
Speaker 1: this season. I would like to see it with my
Speaker 1: eyes that the numbers aren't as bad as they seem.
Speaker 1: I hope, because again, as we highlighted in Ties preview,
Speaker 1: getting a little nervous about this infield defense.
Speaker 2: Look, there's trade offs. When you need bats as badly
Speaker 2: as the Mariners do, it's hard to find guys that
Speaker 2: are that good on both sides of the ball. So
Speaker 2: Polanco's a great hitter, but his defense is a little lackluster.
Speaker 2: Like he does not grade out well at second base.
Speaker 2: You just outlined it. Now, maybe Perry Hill can help
Speaker 2: him out. Maybe they can shore some things up, and
Speaker 2: he's at least a step better than he was last year.
Speaker 2: But on the flips that he was much better at
Speaker 2: least arm wise, and Colton Long was like Colton Long
Speaker 2: didn't have much of an arm over at second base,
Speaker 2: which I didn't think would really matter for playing the position,
Speaker 2: But then seeing when you really grate out that poorly
Speaker 2: with your arm strength, they can play a factor. Planko's
Speaker 2: not that now. He may not have great range, but
Speaker 2: he can turn double plays that need to be turned.
Speaker 2: So that is a plus to start, It is a start.
Speaker 1: I Polo is gonna be He's gonna be fun. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be a blast to watch.
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Speaker 2: The longest tenured guy on the Mariners infield, JP Crawford
Speaker 2: comes off a season. Yeah, he's been here since twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: So that is wow.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what he's been here a long time now,
Speaker 2: like he is nineteen twenty, twenty one, twenty two, it's
Speaker 2: five years. He's entering his sixth season in Seattle. Like,
Speaker 2: we've gotten pretty used to seeing JP Crawford play, and
Speaker 2: last year, man did he put it all together? Offensively?
Speaker 2: It was his best season by fari hit two sixty
Speaker 2: six nineteen home runs, He had an eight eighteen ops
Speaker 2: that was a career high, a one thirty four WRC
Speaker 2: plus that was certainly a career high, and just a
Speaker 2: hairshy of five wins above replacement. What a revelation JP
Speaker 2: Crawford was last year. And not only does he still
Speaker 2: walk a lot, he doesn't strike out. He is everything
Speaker 2: you could ask for in a leadoff hitter for a
Speaker 2: competitive ball clet.
Speaker 1: Does he have any more in the tank offensively? Can he?
Speaker 1: Is there another level for JP Crawford to unlock? Like
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think because his home run to fly
Speaker 1: ball rate was about twelve and a half percent last year,
Speaker 1: that's not terribly above league average, which is about ten percent.
Speaker 1: Is there a way he can get some more?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Is there more home run power in that bat? Is
Speaker 1: he going to hit for a higher average? He already,
Speaker 1: He's probably not gonna walk more than fourteen percent of
Speaker 1: the time. Again, it's like, that's a really high number,
Speaker 1: a really high number for him. But are there other
Speaker 1: areas that JP Crawford can unlock offensively? Because this dude
Speaker 1: turned from a guy who the Mariners would tuck away
Speaker 1: at the end of their lineup to give a good
Speaker 1: at bat in the end of the game too. He's
Speaker 1: your second best hitter behind Julio. And you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's a little unfair to expect JP to repeat
Speaker 1: his which I would guess is about a ninety fifth
Speaker 1: at least percentile offensive season for him in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: But can he get back to about ninetieth? Can he
Speaker 1: do that again? Can he repeat his success and stay
Speaker 1: at the top of that lineup and be the catalyst? Like,
Speaker 1: can we get the outlier season from JP Crawford again,
Speaker 1: with the MVP season from Julio, with a healthy Mitch
Speaker 1: Garver's season, with a healthy Jorge Polanco season, with a
Speaker 1: full cow Rawley season, with a turned around Ty France season?
Speaker 1: Can we please get that? Can we please? As a
Speaker 1: Mariner fan, I'm asking, can we please get that?
Speaker 2: With a Dom canzone breakout with Luke Rayley continuing his
Speaker 2: success from last year, like all of it, Like if
Speaker 2: everybody clicks, there's no weak spots in the lineup, there
Speaker 2: is a real world. There are no weak spots in
Speaker 2: this lineup this year. And if you want to talk
Speaker 2: about JP, look, even if he doesn WRC plus one
Speaker 2: thirty four again, there's no reason he can't be in
Speaker 2: the world twenties. If he's got a one to twenty
Speaker 2: WRC plus, has a ten or eleven percent walk rate
Speaker 2: ops is still above eight hundred. That's your leadoff hitter.
Speaker 2: And if he hits fifteen home runs instead of closer
Speaker 2: to twenty, that's still absolutely your leadoff hitter, and a
Speaker 2: really good one at that. So I think this is
Speaker 2: real what JP Crawford did last year. Even if he
Speaker 2: doesn't take a step above the one thirty four mark
Speaker 2: WRC plus wise that he had last year, this is real.
Speaker 2: I fully believe that what JP Crawford did last year
Speaker 2: is in some form or another here to stay at
Speaker 2: the plate. And that is such a difference for the Mariners.
Speaker 2: If JP had not done what he had done last year,
Speaker 2: not only would the Mariners have a lot more questions
Speaker 2: going into this season. They wouldn't have even been in
Speaker 2: the race to make the playoffs last season because they
Speaker 2: really at points of last year did not have much
Speaker 2: consistent offensive production of anybody besides JP Crawford. He was
Speaker 2: the constant in that lineup. He was the consistent back
Speaker 2: and I think he's gonna do it again this year.
Speaker 1: Not only that, and we know Julio finished fourth in
Speaker 1: MVP last year. JP was the most valuable hitter on
Speaker 1: the team last year period. So and there are some
Speaker 1: numbers that Luke Arkins, who's a great follow on Mariners Twitter,
Speaker 1: laid out why he thinks JP can continue his success
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. Luke pointed out like his barrel
Speaker 1: rate and hard hit rate were way up. I mean,
Speaker 1: those are numbers that are consistent with success, and barrels
Speaker 1: means you're putting the ball in the air, and that's
Speaker 1: a good point. JP nearly doubled his average his average
Speaker 1: launch angle last year, and hitting the ball in the
Speaker 1: air more leads to more success. JP Crawford had a
Speaker 1: problem with putting too many balls on the ground and
Speaker 1: too much weak content. He started hitting the ball harder,
Speaker 1: and he started hitting it in the air more while
Speaker 1: especially utilizing his pole power. If those are all traits
Speaker 1: that trickle over to twenty twenty four, I mean we
Speaker 1: can expect a better season, not a better season, a
Speaker 1: good season, another season like the one he just had,
Speaker 1: and not one that is representative of the past seasons
Speaker 1: of JP Crawford. The question is there anything left in
Speaker 1: the tank defensive? Can he find a way to get
Speaker 1: play some better defense than he did last season, which
Speaker 1: he ranked in the fifth yeah, fifth percentile ouse above average.
Speaker 1: He had a lot of trouble going to his right
Speaker 1: in the hole at short. Is there a way JP
Speaker 1: ca can can get back up to league average?
Speaker 2: If he does, we're talking about a guy who could
Speaker 2: legitimately be an MVP candidate if he repeats what he
Speaker 2: did last year to play. If JP Crawford had done
Speaker 2: what he did last year at the plate and he'd
Speaker 2: even played league average defense, you're talking about him going
Speaker 2: from a five war season to six plus. And if
Speaker 2: he'd played the defense he played a couple of years ago,
Speaker 2: now you're talking like seven plus. So I don't know
Speaker 2: if he's going to return to his gold glove form
Speaker 2: or what he was in twenty twenty one also, But
Speaker 2: even just getting back to the league average rains or
Speaker 2: slightly above it makes such a difference. I mean, you've
Speaker 2: talked to you're worried about this infield defense. If you're
Speaker 2: going to pocket one spot of this infield defense, it's
Speaker 2: the five to six hole. And we'll get to third
Speaker 2: base here in a bit, but at least in certain situations,
Speaker 2: it's the five to six hole. Because when JP Crawford
Speaker 2: moved to his right last year, like you talked about,
Speaker 2: his season total for outs above average was negative five.
Speaker 2: There are some areas he still is better, Like he's
Speaker 2: good moving in on baseballs, when he moves to his
Speaker 2: left on baseballs, he's better. It's that backhanded play going
Speaker 2: toward third base. Negative eleven outs above average is where
Speaker 2: he ranked going laterally towards third base last year. So
Speaker 2: if you look at that five to six spot and
Speaker 2: Luis Arius, who will get to in a minute, are
Speaker 2: sharing time over there, like that could lead to some
Speaker 2: C and I hits and maybe balls that were stopped
Speaker 2: a year ago. I think JP Crawford finding a way
Speaker 2: to shore it up a little bit next this upcoming year,
Speaker 2: YEA makes such a big difference. He does not have
Speaker 2: to win a Gold Glove, but just a marginal improvement
Speaker 2: could do a lot.
Speaker 1: Just think of a guy like George Kirby, who's like,
Speaker 1: at least as of right now, he could jump his
Speaker 1: strikeout rate up this year. But George pitches to contact
Speaker 1: for the most part. That's how he is so efficient
Speaker 1: on the mound, and a fishing contact means a lot
Speaker 1: of balls on the ground. The more balls on the
Speaker 1: ground against this Mariners defense that can get turned into outs,
Speaker 1: the better the pitcher looks. But if every marginally tough
Speaker 1: ball on the infield, especially to the poll side, for
Speaker 1: a right hand hitter, who are represent eight seventy percent
Speaker 1: of the hitters in Major League Baseball, if you know,
Speaker 1: five percent of those start going for hits instead of
Speaker 1: our outs, like, that's a problem. And especially for your
Speaker 1: shortstop who is on a contract extension getting paid very
Speaker 1: handsomely to be not only a good hitter, but a
Speaker 1: good defender as well. And if he can't replicate that, though,
Speaker 1: there's certainly reason for concern at the hole at shortstop
Speaker 1: this year. But I mean, offensively, you still expect JP
Speaker 1: to you know, he could beat a third best hitter
Speaker 1: this year behind Julio and Mitch Garver, or the fourth
Speaker 1: best behind Julio and Julio, Mitch Garver and Jorge Polanco.
Speaker 1: That would be great too. Some aspect of that would
Speaker 1: be great going into this twenty twenty four season. Now,
Speaker 1: if we shift over to third base, lyle, this is
Speaker 1: where the concerns start. I want to start with Josh
Speaker 1: Rojas at third base. Got traded to the Mariners at
Speaker 1: the trade deadline, coming off a season where he hit
Speaker 1: two forty five three to ZHO three three thirty eight
Speaker 1: one point one fangrafts wins above replacement, striking out twenty
Speaker 1: three percent of the time and walking seven and a
Speaker 1: half percent of the time. Can he get back to
Speaker 1: the nearly three win player he was in Arizona a
Speaker 1: season prior in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: That was I think he showed some flashes of it
Speaker 2: once he got to Seattle. Because his his numbers as
Speaker 2: a whole last year weren't great, his numbers when he
Speaker 2: got to Seattle were a lot better. He hit two
Speaker 2: seventy two with a seven to twenty one oh ps.
Speaker 2: He also thrived in the month of August, where he
Speaker 2: hit two eighty eight. He saw a little bit of
Speaker 2: it last year. The change of scenery seemed to do
Speaker 2: him some good. And the fact that along with Rojas
Speaker 2: being the three win player that he wasn't twenty two,
Speaker 2: he's a good defender. Like so the earliest part of
Speaker 2: it will get to in a minute, but the Josh
Speaker 2: Rojas part of this, Like, he put up six outs
Speaker 2: above average last year, And I know he played a
Speaker 2: lot of second base last year, but third base is
Speaker 2: more his natural spot where he spent a little bit
Speaker 2: more time. So if you have Rojas over at third base,
Speaker 2: I think you feel a little more secure about what
Speaker 2: you're getting defensively from the hot corner. And Josh Rojas
Speaker 2: is not going to hit thirty bombs. That's not what
Speaker 2: he's here to do, frankly. But if he can play
Speaker 2: some good defense, the on base is good. He's a
Speaker 2: real lineup flipper out of the nine spot, where he
Speaker 2: proves to be a guy that can get on base
Speaker 2: a lot, drive in a few runs, and play good defense.
Speaker 2: I think he can be a three win player. Even
Speaker 2: if it's not three exactly, he can be a two
Speaker 2: win player, which is very valuable, especially in a platoon.
Speaker 2: So yes, I think Josh Rojas has the chance to
Speaker 2: turn it around. I think you saw him start to
Speaker 2: turn it around last year. You just have to see
Speaker 2: it continue.
Speaker 1: I'm very curious how he's going to look in a
Speaker 1: platoon because last year his platoon splits were dead even
Speaker 1: like down the middle eighty three w orc plus each side.
Speaker 1: He is slightly better against right hand throwers for his career,
Speaker 1: but it's not like Louis Sirius, who's actually a platoon
Speaker 1: bat who has done significantly better against lefties in his
Speaker 1: career than he has against righty's. Rojas, there's not that
Speaker 1: much of an advantage, and I'm hoping that there's still
Speaker 1: enough there offensively for him to do well with even
Speaker 1: when he's not like a true platoon bat in that case.
Speaker 1: So that's I'm not expecting an all world offensive season
Speaker 1: from Josh Rojas. I think you and I just talked about.
Speaker 1: The biggest thing we want to see from Josh Rojas
Speaker 1: is to get on base at the bottom of the lineup.
Speaker 1: He doesn't need to hit for a ton of power,
Speaker 1: does need to hit for a high average, but can
Speaker 1: he get back to his career walk rate of like
Speaker 1: over ten percent? Can he do that because every season
Speaker 1: in his career prior to last he was over ten percent,
Speaker 1: and having that ten percent walk rate out of the
Speaker 1: nine hole means you're gonna have a ten percent in
Speaker 1: the nine hole, and then you're gonna have wake up JA.
Speaker 1: Let's say ten percent for JP. We'll go nice middle
Speaker 1: ground ten percent for JP. Then you got Julio Polanco,
Speaker 1: cal Garver, those guys all right after them, and that
Speaker 1: gives a lot of RBI and runs scoring opportunities. That's
Speaker 1: the most important part here for Josh Rojas. He's got
Speaker 1: to score some runs for the guys hitting behind him.
Speaker 2: The walk rate's gonna be huge, and that played a
Speaker 2: major factor into his difference in offensive production between twenty
Speaker 2: two and twenty three. Again, I don't think people should
Speaker 2: just forget what he did here in Seattle last year
Speaker 2: once he got traded over. I think that makes the difference.
Speaker 2: He was a good player last year. Legitimately, he was
Speaker 2: a good player that hit out of the ninth spot
Speaker 2: and did his job. So if he's dead, even platoons
Speaker 2: splits wise, I don't really think it matters which side
Speaker 2: of the plate he hits against. You're just trying to
Speaker 2: help ry us out in that way. And again, if
Speaker 2: he plays good defense and he gets on base, that's
Speaker 2: the key. But again, that walk rate jumping up for
Speaker 2: Rojas will be what to watch in twenty twenty four
Speaker 2: because if he can get it back up, that's like,
Speaker 2: that's a big difference. Again, you talk about a lineup flipper.
Speaker 2: He was already kind of doing it last year once
Speaker 2: he got to seattle out of the nine spot, But
Speaker 2: if he starts to walk a lot again, it makes
Speaker 2: him that much more impactful.
Speaker 1: And let's just remind people what the best version of
Speaker 1: Josh Rojas was like. In twenty twenty two. He had
Speaker 1: a one to ten WRC plus of the plate, walked
Speaker 1: over ten percent of the trunk the time, struck out
Speaker 1: under twenty percent of the time, he played about eighty
Speaker 1: percent of his time at third base. That is the
Speaker 1: player the Mariners are looking for this year. Third baseman
Speaker 1: not striking out a ton, walking a decent amount ten
Speaker 1: percent better than league average at the plate. His defense
Speaker 1: for his career third base is below average. It's negative
Speaker 1: defensive runs saved, but league average is what the Mariners
Speaker 1: hope for, because if he was a league average DRS
Speaker 1: guy at third base, he'd be the best defender on
Speaker 1: this infield this year as of right now.
Speaker 2: It is funny how how different this defense looks all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, because that was one of the Mariner's
Speaker 2: strengths for a while, and now that is one of
Speaker 2: their question marks. And it may ultimately get resolved, and
Speaker 2: I hope it does, but it is something to watch. Now.
Speaker 2: The other side of this platoon, you've got Luis Arius,
Speaker 2: who is in major need of a bounce back year.
Speaker 2: The guy hit one ninety four last year, three home runs,
Speaker 2: six thirty six ops, eighty three WRC plus negative zero
Speaker 2: point one. Van grafts War I think I was a
Speaker 2: little higher on the Luis Arius bounce back than I
Speaker 2: will about two weeks ago than I am right now.
Speaker 2: But the fact he can't throw the ball and reportedly
Speaker 2: isn't in the greatest shape, it's a little worry. Some
Speaker 2: we talked about that.
Speaker 1: So as of this week, he was lightly throwing the
Speaker 1: ball across the endfield, which is a start. It's still
Speaker 1: a question if he's going to be on the opening
Speaker 1: day roster, which again, if he can't even be on
Speaker 1: the opening day roster, then people are saying, like is
Speaker 1: there a point of bringing him back at all. He
Speaker 1: has hit okay in spring training in a small sample
Speaker 1: size so far at DH, and he does have a
Speaker 1: tiny bit more upside in the bat than Josh Rojas does.
Speaker 1: He has a more clear platoon split than Josh Rojas does.
Speaker 1: He's about over ten percent above league average against left
Speaker 1: handed pitchers, which is good, But the question is he's
Speaker 1: not a great defender. There have been now two teams
Speaker 1: that have let him go with options remaining as a
Speaker 1: former top prospect, with the ability to keep him in
Speaker 1: their organization, and they decided to get rid of him. Anyways,
Speaker 1: how like, what are the Mariners going to find something
Speaker 1: this year? Is he going to show proof to them
Speaker 1: he belongs in the big leagues and doesn't deserve to
Speaker 1: get cut? Is he going to be able to not
Speaker 1: just have a disastrous season at the plate again? And
Speaker 1: the Mariners can't have two third basement slugan or four
Speaker 1: hundred this year because that's what both of these guys
Speaker 1: did last year. You can't have that again. Third basemen.
Speaker 1: They need to pick up their weight when it comes
Speaker 1: to hitting. And if Louis Airius can't do that, and
Speaker 1: he's you and I think probably the first guy off
Speaker 1: this roster. If that's the case this season, probably the
Speaker 1: most replaceable guy, especially when you have a couple infielders
Speaker 1: down there. In our mail bag, we talked about Cole Young,
Speaker 1: Tyler Locklear could come up, Ryan Bliss could come up,
Speaker 1: Like all these guys have the opportunity to come up
Speaker 1: and get some time on the infield. If Louis Sirius
Speaker 1: can't do what he did in twenty one and twenty
Speaker 1: two at the plate. So there's a lot of question
Speaker 1: marks surrounding this guy, and we're gonna have to see
Speaker 1: as he gets healthy and as he gets more playing time.
Speaker 2: So you sound kind of nervous about third base, and
Speaker 2: I heard a lot of defensive questions in there, but
Speaker 2: you are also nervous about ty France playing third base defense.
Speaker 2: So it sounds like to me, if we get to
Speaker 2: this point, Locklear gets up, you take the bat.
Speaker 1: Well, you got it? Yeah, I guess you gotta good.
Speaker 1: You got a solid point there, I guess. I guess
Speaker 1: if we reach that point where it's just an ultimate
Speaker 1: cult long level performance at third base, then pretty much
Speaker 1: anything else at third base would would suffice. So we'll
Speaker 1: cross that Bridge. When we get there, we'll see, we'll
Speaker 1: see how the season shakes up.
Speaker 2: Okay, and again for the record, no matter what the
Speaker 2: role Josh Rojas plays, whether it is strictly at third baseman,
Speaker 2: whether he starts being an infield platoon guy, I think
Speaker 2: he's absolutely gonna have a role on the team. I
Speaker 2: think he is going to be valuable, and I think
Speaker 2: he is going to stick around long term. It's just
Speaker 2: it's urious who I think the question marks revolve around.
Speaker 2: So if it got to a scenario where Locklear got
Speaker 2: up played first base ty France, when the rohas would
Speaker 2: play some second base, he'd still play a couple times
Speaker 2: a week. He'd fill in either defensively late in games,
Speaker 2: or he'd you know, get a start here and there.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, it's I think Urrius is the question mark,
Speaker 2: that's for sure.
Speaker 1: And Urius can save himself if he hits, because the
Speaker 1: Mariners needs are gonna need some offense at third base.
Speaker 1: If he hits, we probably won't be having these discussions
Speaker 1: because the worry will be out the door for the
Speaker 1: most part. But if he can't hit, then we're really
Speaker 1: gonna start having an issue. There is a guy who
Speaker 1: could see some time at third base on the bench
Speaker 1: for the Mariners. That could help supplement their production throughout
Speaker 1: the season. But before we get to Dylan Moore, let's
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Speaker 1: Dylan Moore is going to get to occupy his true
Speaker 1: role this year. He's going to be off the bench.
Speaker 1: He's going to be a true utility guy on the
Speaker 1: infield and the outfield this season. He's coming off a
Speaker 1: bit of a down season in twenty twenty three compared
Speaker 1: to his his best season of his career in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two. He hit two oh seven, three oh three
Speaker 1: four twenty eight a one oh five WRC, plus only
Speaker 1: had half a win above replacement by fangrafts. He struggled
Speaker 1: to stay on the field and he struck out a
Speaker 1: career high thirty four percent of the time. What does
Speaker 1: your guy have to do this year, Doug.
Speaker 2: Well, First off, he's healthy and in camp. That was
Speaker 2: such a problem last year again, like go look at
Speaker 2: the bats still and Moore had. When they sent him
Speaker 2: out on a rehab assignment, it was sped up. Like
Speaker 2: he went out, got a few at bats, he had
Speaker 2: a setback, so he had to go through some more
Speaker 2: rehab process again. Then once he got close to playing games,
Speaker 2: that kind of set up as at bats again and
Speaker 2: he didn't have a full spring. In fact, he had
Speaker 2: no spring last year and he didn't have a whole
Speaker 2: lot of at bats to get acclimated. Now he's healthy,
Speaker 2: he's getting at bats. I think that's the biggest key
Speaker 2: point Here's he is fully healthy and taking part in
Speaker 2: big league spring training. That's number one. But yes, he
Speaker 2: cannot strike out that much. He's got to find his
Speaker 2: power stroke again. We know he can hit lefties when
Speaker 2: he's at his best, But I think the health factor
Speaker 2: is going to be such a key now. If Dylan
Speaker 2: Moore comes out and has struggles again in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: despite being healthy. We might have some different things to
Speaker 2: look at. But I genuinely think missing all a spring
Speaker 2: last year made a big difference, and not a good way.
Speaker 1: I'm sure didn't. He probably was guessing more at the plate.
Speaker 1: I did have some concern though along those lines on
Speaker 1: see if he corrects himself a little bit this year.
Speaker 1: He's chased eleven percent more pitches outside the zone last
Speaker 1: year than he did the year before. And Demo's a
Speaker 1: guy who's supposed to have a pretty good idea of
Speaker 1: the strike zone. He's supposed to like walk at a
Speaker 1: decent clip and understand like his strike zone and his
Speaker 1: power profile. But if he's not doing that again for
Speaker 1: a second consecutive season, then we're gonna have some trouble.
Speaker 1: Because he was chasing more, he was making less contact
Speaker 1: on those pitches, and he overall because of that, was
Speaker 1: a less productive offensive player. And the Mariners like some
Speaker 1: of those signs, some of those chase signs and the
Speaker 1: down contact numbers. Sometimes that relates to aging. If Dylan
Speaker 1: Moore is aging poorly him just into his thirties, like
Speaker 1: that's an issue, and the Mariners would then think about
Speaker 1: someone after coming off the season and they struck out
Speaker 1: too much. Can't have a guy on their bench striking
Speaker 1: out thirty five percent of the time without the really
Speaker 1: top of the line power. So it's interesting. This season
Speaker 1: is big for Dylan Moore and his future on the
Speaker 1: Mariners after this season, I think for sure.
Speaker 2: If you're not performing in your role as a utility player,
Speaker 2: there are other utility players that you can find. However,
Speaker 2: as the reason I am such a big Dylan more guy,
Speaker 2: when he is at his best, he is a perfect
Speaker 2: utility player because he legitimately does everything. He draws, walks,
Speaker 2: has power, steals, plays all these different positions. So let's
Speaker 2: see what the health does for him this year. I
Speaker 2: agree that he cannot chase that many pitches. Again, I
Speaker 2: agree that he's got a yeah, he's got a zone
Speaker 2: in his played approach a little bit more like he
Speaker 2: was doing in seasons prior. But you know, he can
Speaker 2: play a real role on this team when he's at
Speaker 2: his best. Now, his role is gonna look a little
Speaker 2: different this year because I think we're gonna see him
Speaker 2: play a lot more infield than outfield. At least that's
Speaker 2: how it seems for now. Do we like that better.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest, I always liked him as an outfielder,
Speaker 2: not that he can't play the infield, but I thought
Speaker 2: he's said out there.
Speaker 1: He's better as an outfielder. Like numbers wise, it backs
Speaker 1: it up. He is a better outfielder than he is
Speaker 1: an infielder. The problem is you now have, like we
Speaker 1: mentioned in our mail bag that you know he's probably
Speaker 1: the backup centerfielder to Hulle Rodriguez, but at this point
Speaker 1: in the corners, they're pretty set on corner outfielders. They
Speaker 1: don't like. Demo's best spot is left field. I'll say,
Speaker 1: like in the outfield, that's his best defensive spot. But
Speaker 1: the Mariners have multiple guys who can occupy left field
Speaker 1: this season, so they don't need Demo out there unless
Speaker 1: it's an emergency. They need him more on the infield,
Speaker 1: which are his worst spots. He's a pretty bad defender
Speaker 1: at short for his career. It's not much better at
Speaker 1: second base, and certainly not much better at third base either,
Speaker 1: So it might not be his best spot defensively, but
Speaker 1: whereas bat fits in, it's probably what you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to end up with.
Speaker 2: M hm. Yeah, So look Ultimately, I'm sure he'll still
Speaker 2: play some outfield, but you'll probably see him more on
Speaker 2: the infield this year, and hopefully he gets back to
Speaker 2: the Dylan Moore he was in twenty twenty two, because
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two he was a one twenty six
Speaker 2: WRC plus guy. This is what I mean when Dylan
Speaker 2: Moore is at his best. He's very good to have
Speaker 2: that type of guy as a bench bat. Good stuff,
Speaker 2: last guy. Very quickly, before we get to speak your mind,
Speaker 2: I figured we should at least throw in a word
Speaker 2: or two about about Sebbi Zavalla. I know we got
Speaker 2: off from the catchers for a little bit, but as
Speaker 2: we're looking at the bench players, obviously he's he's probably
Speaker 2: gonna see playing time once a week, maybe twice a week,
Speaker 2: because cal Raley takes such a load of the catching,
Speaker 2: but because he's a good defender. At least in the
Speaker 2: past he's put up some offensive production. If they can
Speaker 2: get him back to even you know, an eighty five
Speaker 2: ninety WRC plus guy, it might give cal the ability
Speaker 2: to get some more days off this year and stay
Speaker 2: a little healthier and get less dinged up, especially because
Speaker 2: again Zavala is a good defender, so if you need
Speaker 2: him late in games, he can do that.
Speaker 1: One of the things I really hated when over the
Speaker 1: last couple of years is when they would on a
Speaker 1: Cal's off day, they'd have to pull him off the
Speaker 1: bench to hit. I really hope that the lineup depth
Speaker 1: around Sebbi, Savala, and just around this roster overall is
Speaker 1: enough that cal Rowly actually gets full days off. I'm like,
Speaker 1: can't we can't keep pulling cal Rawly into the lineup
Speaker 1: on his off days to have him hit in a
Speaker 1: big spot, because you know what, the roster should be
Speaker 1: deep enough around cal Rawley where he does not have
Speaker 1: to do that. Let's get this man some days off.
Speaker 1: Sebbi can play defense and the other eight guys in
Speaker 1: the lineup can match. Can we please just let that
Speaker 1: be a thing. Let that be a constant for this
Speaker 1: lineup this season, because we're talking about like the health
Speaker 1: of cal Rawley's knees in the future, especially if you
Speaker 1: want to extend him. Let's try not to run him
Speaker 1: into the ground before he reaches his free agency, please
Speaker 1: and thank you.
Speaker 2: And that was the problem last year. Tom Murphy was
Speaker 2: injured for a portion of the year. They had to
Speaker 2: bring up Luis Tonza one point to be the backup catcher.
Speaker 2: They didn't trust them behind the plate. So now you
Speaker 2: have a real backup catcher with sevi'savalla. So that is
Speaker 2: good news. And hopefully he continues to play good defense
Speaker 2: and even maybe hit a little bit too again, there
Speaker 2: have been years in the past where he's hit decently,
Speaker 2: just not last year. Maybe he'll bounce back. That'd be
Speaker 2: great if he does. All right, let's get to speak
Speaker 2: your mind. Speak your mind spot. That would be unwise.
Speaker 2: What is necessary is never unwise. Well, TJ, would you
Speaker 2: like to tell everybody what's on your mind this week?
Speaker 1: Well, as you might have noticed, I've been in two
Speaker 1: different locations for this episode. We've been having a lot
Speaker 1: of technical issues over the last couple of months, a
Speaker 1: lot of it on my end, and I've officially made
Speaker 1: the decision that I need a new computer. Sucks. I
Speaker 1: hate that's a lot of money to dish out, but
Speaker 1: I'm actually kind of excited to get a new laptop.
Speaker 1: Like I love my laptop. I've done a whole lot
Speaker 1: on this laptop. This is my graduation present from college.
Speaker 1: It has served me well. But the hardware limitations have
Speaker 1: finally caught up with us and has led to some
Speaker 1: very long long episodes in length, not in actual length recorded,
Speaker 1: but length sat here and actually tried to get through
Speaker 1: the whole recording self. It's been a been a pain
Speaker 1: of the ass. So I'm gonna we're we're gonna make
Speaker 1: an upgrade and Laloni's time will all of a sudden
Speaker 1: become much more free because I imagine we're gonna have
Speaker 1: a lot less issues with uh, with hardware limitations and
Speaker 1: lost recordings and and stuff like this. So I'm excited
Speaker 1: to uh to have some new technology. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun and yeah, but trying it to
Speaker 1: get too sentimental over this, uh, this quote unquote old
Speaker 1: thing that's only actually barely three years old.
Speaker 2: I will say, uh for this episode. If you're watching
Speaker 2: on YouTube, for this episode, TJ is not in two
Speaker 2: different locations, but we recorded a pair of episodes here
Speaker 2: on Sunday before the two of us took off for
Speaker 2: spring training.
Speaker 1: So good point, exactly, the point of everything all blending
Speaker 1: together and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it is all blended together. So for what
Speaker 2: it's worth, TJ knows this for I guess Transparency or
Speaker 2: anybody that is curious. Probably none of you are. But
Speaker 2: I got a new computer at one point in this
Speaker 2: of doing the podcast too. For me, it was because
Speaker 2: trying to edit and upload things it was taking forever
Speaker 2: like upload shows to YouTube, is what I mean. And
Speaker 2: as a result, it just got to be too much
Speaker 2: of pain, and I said, Okay, we've got to do
Speaker 2: something else. Therefore, I got a new computer. So TJ,
Speaker 2: you're not alone. And for the record, maybe it sucks
Speaker 2: thinking about it right now, but once you have it,
Speaker 2: you're like, man, this is this is a nice sigh
Speaker 2: of relief. Yah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The problem is I really want a MacBook Pro.
Speaker 1: So I currently had the twenty twenty MacBook Air. It's
Speaker 1: a good computer, but again the hardware spect are just
Speaker 1: not quite enough. I really really want the new MacBook Pro.
Speaker 1: Just like reading smer views of it, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I will never ever have a speed issue about anything
Speaker 1: on this computer. But that thing's like three thousand dollars
Speaker 1: to purchase. So I was like, that might be a
Speaker 1: little bit out of my budget. Hey maybe if I
Speaker 1: went and worked in tech, like like I mentioned on
Speaker 1: our Mailbag episode in a in a in a in
Speaker 1: a episode earlier this week. In a different life, I
Speaker 1: could be working in tech and three grand would be nothing.
Speaker 1: Throw that out and buy the brand new MacBook Pro
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't ever have a have a smidge of
Speaker 1: doubt about processing power and computer speed ever again. But
Speaker 1: that's not the case, because you know, we work in sports,
Speaker 1: and people don't make that much money in sports. So
Speaker 1: it'll be a it'll be a different option, but uh,
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's be cool. I my my beef and
Speaker 1: I can maybe the real speak your mind. Part of
Speaker 1: why that like, I'm excited to get a new laptop,
Speaker 1: but I need a new phone more than I need
Speaker 1: a new laptop, which really like my phone. I have
Speaker 1: the ten. It's like this thing is slower than my
Speaker 1: current laptop is. But I need the laptop because this
Speaker 1: podcast is a big part of our lives now, so
Speaker 1: I need the I need the recording power. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna need to find a way to find the money
Speaker 1: to also get a new phone as well, which stinks.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of money, a lot of cash that
Speaker 1: I want to spend going on a trip to Europe instead.
Speaker 1: But as my grandma said today as I was coming
Speaker 1: to record these two episodes and wishing wish me a
Speaker 1: happy birthday today, that don't always get to spend the
Speaker 1: money how you want, even if you plant it out it,
Speaker 1: life never works out that way. And you know she's right,
Speaker 1: Not everything works out that way, but in due time
Speaker 1: everything will will be okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's a pretty good way to think
Speaker 2: about it. Maybe it's not the fun way to think
Speaker 2: about it, but it is the truth. But hey, doing
Speaker 2: this podcast is fun and obviously we care about doing
Speaker 2: a good job with it, which is why the two
Speaker 2: of us have now both gotten new computers in this process.
Speaker 2: And hopefully one day everybody can cross your fingers for TJ.
Speaker 2: He'll have a new phone at some point too. So
Speaker 2: my speak your mind this week it's actually baseball related.
Speaker 2: It's even a little bit Mariners related. So I hope
Speaker 2: I don't get too much flak for this, especially being
Speaker 2: Mariners fans, but objectively as a baseball fan, somehow I
Speaker 2: never really look too much into the two thousand and
Speaker 2: one MVP voting the year each row won it. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you've ever really dug into this, TJ,
Speaker 2: but somehow I was either reading some articles or just
Speaker 2: digging through Fangrafts and Baseball Savant, but I stumbled across it,
Speaker 2: and now it's kind of got me scratching my head.
Speaker 2: I want to preface this by saying, for the record,
Speaker 2: I think each Erro is absolutely a first ballot Hall
Speaker 2: of Famer. I think he has a real chance to
Speaker 2: be unanimous. He is one of the greatest mariners ever.
Speaker 2: He's one of the greatest players ever, which is why
Speaker 2: he's going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2: But strictly looking at that two thousand and one season,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever paired up his numbers
Speaker 2: with Jason Giambi, who finished in second. And let me
Speaker 2: put it like this, if these two seasons happened in
Speaker 2: today's day and age at the same time, I don't
Speaker 2: think each Zuro has an MVP to his name. So
Speaker 2: here's what I mean. Each Hero in two thousand and
Speaker 2: one obviously had over two hundred hits. He hit three
Speaker 2: point fifty amazing and a six f wour. Jason Giambi
Speaker 2: in two thousand and one hit three point thirty two.
Speaker 2: He had an eleven thirty ops eleven thirty seven, thirty
Speaker 2: eight bombs, nineteen point two percent walk rate, twelve point
Speaker 2: four percent k rate nine point two four, which was
Speaker 2: much higher than each heroes. And this is the kicker.
Speaker 2: A one ninety three WRC plus e Zerros was not
Speaker 2: that So I hope I'm not gonna get black for this,
Speaker 2: but I just start looking at these numbers, I'm like, Wow,
Speaker 2: times have changed in baseball a little bit, because if
Speaker 2: this was today, I don't think Eachziro's win that MVP
Speaker 2: over Jason Giambi.
Speaker 1: The more I read some of these steroid erastats, the
Speaker 1: more I'm convinced the pitchers in that era were just
Speaker 1: not very good. I mean, are you could eat a
Speaker 1: nineteen point two percent walk rate? Yeah, you're telling me
Speaker 1: these guys couldn't strike these guys out more than twelve
Speaker 1: percent of the time barely more? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: And you know what the most hilarious part of all
Speaker 1: this is, Lyle, is that the man who makes Jason
Speaker 1: Giambi look like that season look like absolutely nothing is
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame from that year. Correct.
Speaker 2: And by that, for those who maybe don't get the
Speaker 2: reference Ry Barry Bonds, Yes, that is crazy. Like again, like,
Speaker 2: this is no knock on each roo he was. He
Speaker 2: obviously deserved Rookie of the Year. He obviously deserved to
Speaker 2: be one of the eight Mariners in the All Star
Speaker 2: Game that year. He was the second best player in
Speaker 2: the American League that year, like like, which is really good.
Speaker 2: But I hear one ninety three WRC plus for a
Speaker 2: hitter and I'm like, that guy lost the MVP and
Speaker 2: he put up a nine win season, like wow, Like
Speaker 2: I don't know, each lay better defense, Like he played
Speaker 2: better defense better pure contact. Hitter stole way more bases,
Speaker 2: by the way, like way more obviously, but you know,
Speaker 2: the the home run heavy numbers like WRC plus and
Speaker 2: ops kind of favored nowadays.
Speaker 1: There's some pretty wonky voting back then. You look at
Speaker 1: some of these MVP races, especially when a Ron was
Speaker 1: with the Mariners in his you know, first handful of seasons.
Speaker 1: The fact he didn't win an MVP as a Mariner
Speaker 1: is pretty bonkers. Like this man is a twenty year
Speaker 1: old had a ten win season.
Speaker 2: Crazy, Yeah, that's wild, and he didn't win it, Like
Speaker 2: I don't think that ever, he.
Speaker 1: Didn't even finish first on his own team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's crazy. Oh that's the other crazy thing
Speaker 2: about two thousand and one two Brett Boone finished third
Speaker 2: that year and he had a monster year in oh one,
Speaker 2: like monster year, one of the best seasons at least
Speaker 2: power wise for a second baseman ever. So yeah, it's
Speaker 2: pretty crazy that that was a really good MVP class.
Speaker 2: And I was just looking at that and it made
Speaker 2: me kind of realize, oh, wow, like there there there
Speaker 2: might have been a snub going on here. As much
Speaker 2: as I love each ye ro, I love each hero,
Speaker 2: but just as an objective baseball fan looking at more
Speaker 2: in that lens, in this sense, I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: that's that is interesting. That's how I'll put that. So,
Speaker 2: I don't know something. I was kind of digging around
Speaker 2: and looking through and I said, this is this is
Speaker 2: kind of on my mind. I'm gonna bring it up,
Speaker 2: see what you think, and we'll see what all of
Speaker 2: our listeners think about it too. So I'm sure there'll
Speaker 2: be some comments about it. I'm sure there'll be some
Speaker 2: people saying like, how dare you slander your own your
Speaker 2: own team, which I'm not slandering, it's just it's just
Speaker 2: each each Again, I think each year is a first
Speaker 2: ballid Hall of Famer. It's just maybe that year he
Speaker 2: should have finished second, not first. That's all.
Speaker 1: So you bring up some good points, hey listen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was, like I'm just gonna say in summary, like
Speaker 1: reading some of the box scores and the slash lines
Speaker 1: from the steroid or era are insane. It's it's crazy
Speaker 1: to think those things happened in like modern baseball.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. It is wild. They need a PD
Speaker 2: wing in the Hall of Fame. That is my final statement.
Speaker 2: You cannot just act like all these guys didn't exist period, Like.
Speaker 1: To be honest, hitters today don't do that, and they
Speaker 1: can't because the pitching's too.
Speaker 2: Good right now. Hitters would never have ten straight years
Speaker 2: of two hundred plus hits either in today's day and
Speaker 2: age like each EIO did. But same concept, pitching's way
Speaker 2: too good to ever do that. That's why hits are
Speaker 2: way down in baseball now. So yeah, games changed and
Speaker 2: it is fun to look back on some of those years,
Speaker 2: that's for sure. All Right. I think that just about
Speaker 2: wraps up this edition of the Marine Layer podcast. You
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