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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon. In this is episode number eight.

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Speaker 1: Today we're gonna be talking about tree stands, tree stand strategy,

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Speaker 1: tree stand placement, trees stands, set up, our favorite models

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Speaker 1: of tree stands, and much much more so. Stick around,

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Speaker 1: grab a cold beverage and enjoy. All Right, good morning,

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Speaker 1: good afternoon, or good evening, and thanks for joining us

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Speaker 1: here on the Wire to Hunt podcast. Along with me,

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Speaker 1: today is the nine Fingered Wonder from Iowa, my trustee

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Speaker 1: co host Dan Johnson. How's life trade these days? But

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Speaker 1: well a lot better after that introduction. I didn't I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at the notes right now and I did not

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Speaker 1: see that, and I'm just like, oh, well, he's pretty

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Speaker 1: good at ad lib. And then I see it's in

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Speaker 1: the notes, and well, don't go tell all my secrets.

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Speaker 1: Nine fingered wonder. It sounds like I'm some superhero sidekick.

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Speaker 1: Well I like to think that you are, so at

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Speaker 1: least a superhero. Maybe not the sidekick, You're you're superhero

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Speaker 1: on your own death, but yeah. I I'm doing pretty

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Speaker 1: good over here too. It's kind of credit outside. It's

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Speaker 1: raining and in such around here, but it's warm, so

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Speaker 1: I can't complain too much. But what's what's the world

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Speaker 1: looked like outside your door? Well, we got rain the

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Speaker 1: past three days. Uh, so I'm gonna have to mow

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Speaker 1: my yard again for the third time in about oh

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Speaker 1: it feels like ten days, so I gotta do that.

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Speaker 1: I've been I've been doing some yard work. Um, I'm

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Speaker 1: getting my trail camera's ready, kind of going through one

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Speaker 1: night testament, making sure they work being a dad and

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Speaker 1: a husband and full time job and all that other

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Speaker 1: bs that no one really cares about. It sounds like

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Speaker 1: you got a lot in new plate. That's right, That's right. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like. I like the mention of trail cameras tho. I'

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Speaker 1: getting pretty pumped about that too. I actually set up

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Speaker 1: a camera on this past weekend down in Ohio, So

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to head back down there and probably a

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Speaker 1: month month and a half and see what's starting to

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Speaker 1: pop up there. Um, And I think in probably a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks, we should do a full episode all

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Speaker 1: about trail cameras because that's something I know that, um,

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Speaker 1: that we're excited about, and I'm sure our listeners are too. Um.

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Speaker 1: But the one other exciting thing for me was that

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Speaker 1: this past weekend while I was there in Ohio. Not

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Speaker 1: to jump too far down the turkey road, but I

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Speaker 1: did have a pretty darn good weekend of turkey hunting again. UM.

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Speaker 1: I had my first double me and Josh, Me and Buddy.

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Speaker 1: Josh shot two big old gobblers on the count of

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Speaker 1: three at the same time. So that was pretty sweet.

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Speaker 1: I was. I did that last year with my wife.

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Speaker 1: We had a She shot the tom stuck around and

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Speaker 1: I shot the one that stuck around. That's awesome. I've

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Speaker 1: always seen it on TV, you know, like we were

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Speaker 1: never actually happened for me. But worked out really well,

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Speaker 1: and it was It was really cool because Josh has

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Speaker 1: turkey and my second of the year, and just it

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Speaker 1: worked out really well. It was cool. They were gobbling

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Speaker 1: big old gobblers. Though. That was pretty sweet. Yeah, cool,

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Speaker 1: But but we did a bunch of work down there

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Speaker 1: outside of that, and um, you know that a big

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Speaker 1: part of that prep that we were doing down there,

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Speaker 1: other than turkey hunting, was related to tree stand related projects,

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Speaker 1: and that's what I really wanted to talk about today.

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Speaker 1: You know, while we're down there, we scouted out new

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Speaker 1: thought we could spend our time, you know, today discussing

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Speaker 1: tree stands, setups and and everything that goes into that

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Speaker 1: than that. Um, But that said, on a scale of

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Speaker 1: one to ten, Dan, how much do you like setting

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Speaker 1: it's a hundred degrees out, I hate setting tree stands.

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Speaker 1: curious Dan, you know, I certainly have a lot I

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Speaker 1: every every season I start off with this game plan like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I plan on hunting in November. UM. So in the

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Speaker 1: early season, what I'm doing is I'm trying to set

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Speaker 1: early October into maybe the October somewhere on there. I

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Speaker 1: won't hunt any mornings again because I think the for

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Speaker 1: evening hunts. So I'm looking at just set up near

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Speaker 1: food sources during those first couple of weeks in October UM.

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Speaker 1: So I have a number of stands set up for

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Speaker 1: think he was betting off that point and visiting the

430
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 1: scrape every once in a while just to see what

431
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 1: was moving through. And that was a kind of a

432
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 1: hunch I had, and I didn't act on it, but

433
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: in retrospect I should have. But I don't know. Have

434
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: you seen anything similar to that during that time frame

435
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 1: for scrape hunting before before? Before um? Let me go

436
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 1: to that question. I'm gonna ask you a question. How

437
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: often do you hunt with your gut? Like do you

438
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: typically do you typically say, Okay, well, I have a

439
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 1: tree stand set up here. I put a lot of

440
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 1: work into it into the um this spring and summer,

441
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 1: and this is where I've had historically good luck. How

442
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 1: apt you are to go with your gut and go

443
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 1: just man, I really need to I really need to

444
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 1: be here right now. Yeah. I should go with my

445
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: gut more often. Maybe, Um, but I'm such a planner

446
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: and like a strategicy guy that I planned the stuff

447
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 1: out ahead of time, and I almost feel like you

448
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: have a plan, you know what you're doing, stick to

449
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 1: the plan, and eventually good things will happen. Sometimes I adjust,

450
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 1: and I'm getting more and more in tune with that instinct.

451
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: I think that's something that comes to time and experience. Um.

452
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: You know, two years ago it was a perfect example

453
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: of when I just had this gut instinct and I

454
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 1: and I went with it and it paid off and

455
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 1: I killed a buck when I was there in Iowa

456
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: a couple of years back. Um, it just just had

457
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: a thing where I felt like I had to go

458
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: for it. Or this past year, Um, November eleven and

459
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: November I saw another one of my hit list bucks

460
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: that was calling leaner, really big, nice, hundred forty class

461
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: Michigan buck. I saw him come in and out of

462
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: this betting area in a swamp one morning and then

463
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 1: the following evening, and I just knew that this was

464
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: a major dough betting area, and I'd also seen six

465
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: shooters there earlier in November, but I didn't have any

466
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: stands set up there. Um, I had all these other

467
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: stands I'd set up and I was hunting them, and

468
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: it was you know, it's easy to go to the

469
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: stand that you have set up, and it's easy to

470
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: get out of there, and so it was kind of

471
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 1: reluctant to go and try to hang a stand. But

472
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: it was November. I think, you know, on the fifteen,

473
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: our gun season opens here and kind of all hell

474
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: break slow. So November fourteen is kind of that last

475
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: best chance. And you know, that night before I was like, shoot,

476
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've seen him come in and out

477
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: of there a couple of times. I know there's dough

478
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: betting area there. It's somewhere I haven't hunted at all.

479
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: I have to go for it. And so I kind

480
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 1: of went with my gut there and I actually woke up,

481
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: I got out there and hung a tree stand at

482
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: three in the morning, went in there and climbed up

483
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: on an edge and got all set up, and I

484
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 1: thought I was, you know, set up there from three

485
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 1: third in the morning until the next night, and uh,

486
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 1: the gut instinct didn't end up paying off. I didn't

487
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: end up seeing him, but it was one of those

488
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: moves where it just felt so right. I was like,

489
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to be aggressive. This is what my instincts

490
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: are telling me. This is good and I went for it,

491
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: and I'm glad I did, even though it didn't pay off.

492
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: I think, you know, there's times when you need to

493
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: go for it. And I think it comes down to

494
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 1: just developing and fine tuning that that gut instinct. And

495
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: I'm sure from what I from what I think, I

496
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: think you're probably better with that than me. Well, I

497
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: think I don't know. It's kind of that would that

498
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: would make us start judging each other as hunters, And

499
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it has anything to do with that.

500
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: I think it's just, man, I can I walk into

501
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: the timber and I'll walk to where I think that

502
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: the stand is. Now here's my problem. I have a

503
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: problem of overthinking scenarios. Okay, so I'll go with my gut.

504
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: But then once I make that decision of where I

505
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: need to end up, I'll sit there and I'll look

506
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,479
Speaker 1: at trees and I'll just go maybe that one or

507
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: maybe that one or maybe that one. So I'll I'll

508
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: pull the trigger, go with my gut, but not pull

509
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: the second trigger, if that makes any sense, to go

510
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: with the right tree. I mean, I've been set up,

511
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 1: completely set up, and I mean camera arm, camera up,

512
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: got up there, settled down and saw a different angle

513
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: from when from where my tree stand was up to.

514
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: We're all back down, moved twenty yards and set up again.

515
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 1: And you know, setting up on a run and gun

516
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: then that's not that's not easy, especially when you got

517
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: camera equipment. Heck, no, that's a royal pain in the butt, right, Um, Well,

518
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: let's let's dive into something you just mentioned. You're looking

519
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: for the right tree. So what do you look for

520
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: in a good tree when you're trying to set up

521
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 1: a stand? Just the straightest one? Really? No, I'm just no.

522
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, man, you should see some of

523
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: the trees I have sat in before, completely ridiculous. I

524
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: don't care how big it is, I don't care what

525
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: the angle is. I will find a way to get

526
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: my lone wolf in that tree stand or in that

527
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: tree and and and make it work, even if I

528
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: have to stand up the entire night or if I

529
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, have you know that's what safety harnesses are

530
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: for for for stupid people, I guess. But but but

531
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: I will go to the to the location that that

532
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: I think is the best, and I will pick out

533
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,719
Speaker 1: the best possible tree that If that tree is not straight,

534
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: I'll make you gotta make it work. I mean, I've

535
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: I've had it to where I have wedged my platform

536
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: of my tree stand down in some kind of why

537
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: or and strapped strapped it in with a ratchet strap

538
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: and just made it as solid as possible, and uh

539
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: and and and and made it work. Now, when you

540
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: say the best possible tree, do you mean the best

541
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: possible tree for getting a shot? So based on okay,

542
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: this is where I think the sign is. Therefore that

543
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: tree right there isn't the best position to get a

544
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: shot opportunity. Is that what you mean? Or are you

545
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: saying best tree based on other factors? No, that's the

546
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: it's the it's for the kale man. It's the best

547
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: possible shot period um. And with that said, there's always

548
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: an exception to the rule. Now, I'll set up in

549
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: the best possible tree, all right, So I typically bring

550
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: some kind of pole, salt or some trimming equipment into

551
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: the timber with me and to kind of a a couple

552
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: of shooting lanes. You know, if this is a pure

553
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: running gun and I've done no prep work for that tree,

554
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna cut a couple of shooting lanes,

555
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: something real small, real narrow, so that where I come

556
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: in where I think these deer are gonna come, I'll

557
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: have a shot opportunity. It's not gonna be forty I'm

558
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: not trimming forty yard lanes all the way out. But

559
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: I'll sit and I'll say, Okay, he could come from here,

560
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: he could come from here, he could come from here,

561
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,239
Speaker 1: and I'll I'll trim those those what I think are

562
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: the highest percentage areas shooting lanes. And uh and then

563
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: at that point when you're all set up and those

564
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: lanes are shoot it's just kind of hope and pray

565
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: type scenario. Yeah, yeah, I hear you, and I think

566
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, there's one of the thing that I when

567
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm going through that process, a lot of it is

568
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: like you just I'm looking for the best possible location

569
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: for the shot. But then the other thing I think

570
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: about and that I've encountered and I've experienced. This is

571
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: is sometimes when I try to set up in that

572
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: perfect tree for the shot, if I don't think about

573
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: my cover in the tree and how the tree is gonna,

574
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: you know, help conceal me, I almost hurt myself more

575
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: than I helped myself, because I've had times where I thought,

576
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: this is the tree I have to be in to

577
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: get a shot, but that tree was a telephone pole

578
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: when they'll cover at all, and when a deer did

579
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: come through for a shot, I stuck out like a

580
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: sore thumb. So I constantly am struggling with this balancing

581
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: act of, you know, finding a tree that's in the

582
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: right spot that gives me a shot, but also has

583
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: enough cover in it too, you know, to conceal me

584
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: and allow me to get away with what I need

585
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: to do to get that shot. So I think that's

586
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: a juggling act that probably everyone has to deal with,

587
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: but I think it's something that's worth thinking about. Um.

588
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: And then there's other guys. I've got a buddy who

589
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: is obsessed with the type of tree when he wants

590
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: to set a tree stand. Like this guy absolutely loves

591
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: oak trees. He does whenever we're out there, we're out

592
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: shed hunting this year, and when he sees a white

593
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: oak tree, he goes up and he'll hug it. He's like,

594
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: that's a tree to put a tree stand in all

595
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: sorts of branches and leaves. He loves it. He loves

596
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: having that good cover. And for good reason. You know,

597
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: you can get away with a lot more. And and

598
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: you know if if you if you get a deer

599
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: in front of you, but you can't move, what's the point?

600
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: So right, I'm typically and I see you got a

601
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: note here again. Uh, But I always have my stand

602
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: if I think the deer, I have the tree, the

603
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: tree between myself and where I think the deer is coming.

604
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: So that can play a hindrance when trying to uh

605
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: you know, because you gotta work around that tree when

606
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: when it's time to draw. But you can get it

607
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: away with a lot more if you have a giant tree.

608
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: And you know, there's a whole bunch of other things,

609
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: like crazy thoughts that I have about cover. And you

610
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: know certain types of camo, and you know what colors

611
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: to wear when you're when you're in a more of

612
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: an exposed spot like that, And then you know, as

613
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: far as the tree stands are concerned. If I'm wide open,

614
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm going higher. If if I'm if there's a lot

615
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: of cover, especially early season, when you would the potential

616
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: for having to do a lot more trimming. On a

617
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: running gun set up, I'm sitting a little bit lower

618
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: right under that canopy, and typically, um, if one came by,

619
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: I would be sitting down for the shot. Okay, let's

620
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: I want to jump on something. You just said that

621
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: though without glossing over. You mentioned that, and I think

622
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: this is what I heard you say, is that when

623
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: you're setting up in those types of situations, you will

624
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: have your tree stand facing away from where you think

625
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: the deer is coming from. Correct, right, It sucks, but

626
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: I mean I'll be I'll be standing up and facing

627
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: the tree for the majority of the night. Yeah, now

628
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: I like that. I am. You know. I actually have

629
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: not done that a whole lot. I have done it

630
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: on occasion, um, but I I haven't purposely done that.

631
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: But I've read a couple of things. I know Bill Winky.

632
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: I read, Um, Bill Winky was talking about this tactic

633
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: a while ago, and it makes all the sense in

634
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 1: the world in him. It sounds like you've been doing

635
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: and having success with it because you know you're able

636
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: to get that cover. The tree trunk is the cover

637
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: now between you and the deer. So even in a

638
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: situation if there's not a lot of branches, you can

639
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: still get some concealment. Then you just have to wrap

640
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: yourself around to get that shot. But I think I'm

641
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: gonna be doing that a lot in the future because

642
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: that makes it's a way to kind of get the

643
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: best of both worlds. In some cases, it sounds like

644
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: now both me and you film are hunts. So okay,

645
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: So if you're facing where you think the deer is

646
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: coming from, all right, let's say you have an open field,

647
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: you have to have your camera arm at that point

648
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: is going to be on one side of you or

649
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: the other. So you have to find out, you know,

650
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: you grab the camera, go behind your back with it.

651
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: If that deer comes from the other other way. You're

652
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: turning your sideways at some point. Now imagine that it's

653
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: turned around. You have all your equipment in front of you.

654
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: Now you have no equipment behind you, so you're not

655
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: having to turn around as much. You're not having to uh,

656
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: you know, grab the camera arm, grab the camera behind

657
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: your back, go behind you. All you have to do

658
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: is just makes distance between yourself and the tree to

659
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: bring that camera arm around you. You know, you have

660
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: your bow right in front of you. So the only

661
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: thing you really have to worry about is if a

662
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: deer is coming through. And typically I stand the whole night,

663
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: the whole time anyway, is noticing the deer before. Like

664
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: if you're sitting down facing away from where you think

665
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: they're going to be traveling, all you gotta do is

666
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: stand up and turn around. You have all your equipment

667
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: right in front of you. Yeah, you make you make

668
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: a very compelling argument, my friend. I think I think

669
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: I'll be doing that more often this year. For sure.

670
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: It helps out a lot. Yeah, I can see, I

671
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: can see. How So now you mentioned that in the

672
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: early season you'd like to be a little bit lower

673
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: before the canopy, um below the canopy. Let's talk about

674
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: what your tree stand height looks like during the later

675
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: part of the year, when the true or when the

676
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: leaves are down. You know, for me, I'm typically trying

677
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: to be um, you know, eighteen twenty two ft or

678
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: maybe if I can get away, I like to be high.

679
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: I think you do too, probably, Um what's that? What's

680
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: that look like for you? Usually? I mean, I'm man,

681
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: I tell you it's it's hard to It just depends

682
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: on the thickness of the area, because I hunt on

683
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: a lot of really nasty thicks, thick stuff. And the

684
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: lower the lower you are, the more in these thicker areas,

685
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: the lower loweria are. Now you're gonna be right underneath

686
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: that canopy, so to speak, and right above those I

687
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: don't know, those bushes that stay green all year round.

688
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about, with those green leaves

689
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: all year round. So there's like that window right in

690
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: between there. That's where I'm sitting. Um. Now, as as

691
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: those leaves start to fall and I can get away

692
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: with getting higher, I'm moving higher. I mean, if I

693
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: if I could hunt thirty ft. I mean I like

694
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: to move all right. People make fun of me because

695
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: I glass so much. I'm using my binoculars all the time.

696
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: That's that's actually my downfall. I've actually been looking through

697
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: my binoculars and then a deer is right underneath me.

698
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: Because so I like to try to get a like

699
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: to try to get high so I can get away

700
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 1: with a little bit more movement. Um, I have terrible knees,

701
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: so I have to I have to shake my legs

702
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: out every once in a while, if that makes sense.

703
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: So so yeah, I mean low when it's thick, high

704
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: as that season, you know, get a little higher as

705
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: that season goes on. But every setup is the same.

706
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: Running guns are lower just because, uh, you don't have

707
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: to trim as much. But if I'm going to a

708
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: hunt that I've trimmed in the summer, I mean that

709
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: that tree stands somewhere around the mark. Yeah. One one

710
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: thing I'm thinking of here, you know, when it comes

711
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: to stains that you're hanging, you know, in the summer,

712
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: if you're in a tree where if it's in a

713
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: situational we talked about earlier, where there's a perfect tree,

714
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: like that tree is in the spot it's a killing spot,

715
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: but the tree doesn't offer good cover. And even if

716
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna have the stand facing the opposite direction, or

717
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: if you don't want that, you know, another option that

718
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: i've um, you know, found work pretty well is creating

719
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 1: your own cover. And so what I'll do is I'll

720
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: take branches or have even had um some people mentioned

721
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: me they use fake Christmas tree branches and I think

722
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: that's pretty genius. I might be trying that in the future.

723
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: And they zip tie them and we attached them to

724
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: the tree stand or the tree around you, so you

725
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: have fake cover around you, um, and you kind of

726
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: manufacture that. So I've done that a number of spots

727
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 1: and it's worked. It's worked really well. So that's something

728
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: to think about for people that have a great spot

729
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: not a great tree. You can do some work beforehand

730
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: to make it work. Still. Yeah, that's uh, that's one

731
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: thing I've done, and I can't remember the tree. It

732
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: might be an oak, cut a branch off an oak

733
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: tree and zip tie it to U zip tie it,

734
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, right at your right at your torso level,

735
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: and those those uh, those leaves will stay on all year.

736
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: Or I'll take a pine, which if it's fresh and

737
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: if it's a running gun, I'll zip tie it to

738
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: the to the tree or my stand. It kind of

739
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: offers a little bit of scent control as well, you know,

740
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: as far as what my nose smells. You know, I

741
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: got that that seed or smell. It's it's a cool smell,

742
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: but but it kind of breaks up your breaks up

743
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: your your outline a little bit as well. Yeah, no,

744
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: for sure, I always keep a little package of zip

745
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: ties in my backpack just in case, you know, I

746
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: have a situation like that. Um. Okay, So I think

747
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: I've got two major questions I want to make sure

748
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: we still cover. So number one, let's talk about the

749
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: type of tree stands we like to use. I'm curious

750
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: what models of tree stands you know, are using ladders

751
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: versus hang ons or climbers or all the above. And

752
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: then I'd be curious to know what brand tree stands

753
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: you like, Dan, And then I'll share my thoughts to right. Um, well,

754
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: as far as styles are concerned. Man, the past oh

755
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: six years, maybe I've only hunted with um hang on

756
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: and sticks, um, unless there is a tree stand already

757
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: in the tree. Let's say I I go to a

758
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: because some of these farms already have these old rickety

759
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: ladder stands in them and they're six they're like a

760
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: farm king that's the store in Iowa, and so so

761
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: they're affordable. And that's what I used to used to hunt.

762
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: Now that I have a little bit more money, and uh,

763
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: I got some benefits from previously being you know, with

764
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: with a hunting show. I the convenience level of hang

765
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: on with sticks. They're easy to pack him, their lightweight,

766
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: and you can adjust them to whatever tree you want. Uh.

767
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: You know, I'm my the brands, the brand that I

768
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: have and use the most as a lone wolf. And uh,

769
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: I have one other muddy tree stand that's uh chained

770
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: to a chained to a giant oak somewhere. I mean,

771
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: I don't even know where it's at. It's it's in

772
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: the woods somewhere and I left it there and I

773
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: think it's probably by now it's probably grown into the tree.

774
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: But my lone Wolf's man, they're hard to be. I mean,

775
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: you just they're so compact. I mean, you can set

776
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: up a tree stand in five minutes and you can

777
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: be hunting. It's not I mean it's it's it's easy.

778
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: And that's what I like about them. Yeah, those are

779
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: really nice. So are you saying that you are doing

780
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: almost all of your hunting from you know, you're you're

781
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: hanging up sticks in the stand every time you go

782
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: in pretty much well on the farms, Like all this

783
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: stuff is my my stands now. Okay, so years ago,

784
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: like two years ago, I used to leave my sticks

785
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: and my stands in the timber, you know, from the

786
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: when I trimmed them out. Now I'll take the bottom

787
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: two sticks off, so I have two sticks in the

788
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: stand already in the tree. So when I come there

789
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: that night and typically I hunt a night and then

790
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: the morning I'll put the two sticks up and then

791
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: everything else is everything else is up and ready. Okay,

792
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: So I have I think right now, I have about

793
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: three three stands, uh, and two of them will be

794
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: set up in permanent spots that are perfect for when

795
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: I take my vacation for the rut, and the other

796
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: one is my running gun set that I'll use throughout

797
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: the rest of the year. Yeah. Okay, Well you've definitely

798
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: got a more economical approach than I do, so props

799
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: to you for that, because I you know, this again

800
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 1: goes back to just the way the way my mind

801
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: works through things. I have to have everything prepared ahead

802
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: of time. Um. And so that means as I own

803
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 1: like twenty or try stands, and I have these set

804
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: up all over the place, you know, all over the

805
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 1: darn world, um, because ninety five percent of the time

806
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: I like to be able to just walk right into

807
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: a to a spot and be able to climb right

808
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: up in the tree, um and hunt, because I just

809
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: I hate I'm always so paranoid about making a bunch

810
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: of noise and taking too much time and screwing something

811
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: up when I'm doing that. Not to say I don't

812
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: do run a gun. Sometimes I do, and I think

813
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: it works really well, and I want to do more

814
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: of it, um, But what I end up doing is

815
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: more times than not, I try to have as many

816
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: spots as possible prepared. So I've got like seven or

817
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: eight stands on one property, and I've got a property

818
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: down Ohio where we have you know, six stands up

819
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: right now, and we're looking at adding four more of

820
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: the summer, so we'll have ten different spots set up, um.

821
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: And what those tree stands are ninety not even all

822
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: of them are hang on stands, um. And then we

823
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: use either the kind of the climbing sticks, not the

824
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: porriable climbing sticks, but the ones that kind of brack

825
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: it in together and it's a big twenty ft section

826
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: that you can start to the tree. We use those,

827
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: or most of the time I just used the screwing

828
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: the screwing steps. And I don't even like him. I

829
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: hate putting him into the tree. Um, it's a royal pain.

830
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: But I'm just so darn cheap that chapest things I

831
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: can get, so so those I use a lot. And

832
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: then when it comes to actual tree stands, I've got

833
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: kind of a a mess of all sorts of different

834
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: kind of brands. I've got a handful of muddy tree

835
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: stands which are really nice like those hang ons a lot.

836
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,479
Speaker 1: I got a great comfortable seat. Um. I've got one

837
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: Lone Wolf, which I love as well. I use. That's

838
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: my main running guns set. I've got that. It's the

839
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: Lone Wolf Assault I think it is. And then I've

840
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: got the sticks to go of it. I love that. Um.

841
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 1: And then I have like fifteen of the forty dollar

842
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: cheap Oh specials from Walmart or TSC or whatever it

843
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: might be. Um, and those are the ones that are

844
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: you know, set up in most areas, and I hate them.

845
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: They're not comfortable, they're not quiet, they're not great, But

846
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: when it comes right down to it, it's better than nothing,

847
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 1: and it's what I can afford at the time. So

848
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: now I know guys up north that strictly hunt with climbers,

849
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: that's all they do. Though then they're typically only gun

850
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: hunters too. Here's a story for you. I oh, I mean,

851
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I don't know if I was out of

852
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: high school yet or not. So it was somewhere around

853
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: two thousand and Uh you're really dating yourself right here. Yeah,

854
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: I know, I know. But uh so I got uh,

855
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: I got a climber for a gift, and so I

856
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: put it on my back, and well I practiced with

857
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: it and this chunk of this public piece before I

858
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: went to my hunting spot. So I get out there

859
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: and as always, I'm doing some kind of running gun deal.

860
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: I find the tree that I want to get in

861
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: and it's crooked, and I'm like, how the hell am

862
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: I gonna get up this thing with this ladder? So

863
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: I went to I went over to UM, I went

864
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: over to about twenty yards away for thirty yards away

865
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: from where I wanted to be. On the opposite side

866
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: of that was where I wanted to hunt. Now I

867
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 1: get my I get my my climber up and and

868
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm set up. I dropped my release, So you gotta

869
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: go all the way back down, come all the way

870
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: back up. But here's the here's the kicker. So that

871
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: night and I was probably you know, like I said,

872
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: I was somewhere around the and uh in in walks,

873
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: probably a one sixty five class ten pointer, and he

874
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: had like a split brod. I can. I can remember

875
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: it as if it was yesterday. And that was the

876
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: day I vowed to never use a climbing tree stand again.

877
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: Because I was in there, I was not in the

878
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: right spot. I I brought in the climber, couldn't get

879
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: into the tree that I wanted. And uh, but you know,

880
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: there's guys out there who they're pretty good at. I

881
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: know a guy who doesn't even use tree stands. He

882
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 1: uses one of those saddle swings. You ever heard of those? Yeah,

883
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 1: A couple of my friends use them too. He has

884
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: I don't know how he gets up in the tree.

885
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: I think he's got like some kind of of Lineman's

886
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: uh thing where you kind of you know, you've seen

887
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: those TV shows where they see how fast they can

888
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: climb a telephone pole. Yeah, I think that's how he

889
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: gets into a stands, buckles up and just sits in

890
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: like the crotch of a tree. Yeah. Yeah, I like, yeah,

891
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: I know a couple of guys do the exact same thing.

892
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: They've got tree spikes on their on their boots that

893
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: allow them to you know, smash their feet into the

894
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: tree and just kind of shimmy up. It's pretty crazy

895
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: and I would love to try that sometime. I've heard

896
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: they work. I've heard they work really well, but they're

897
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: they're out of business, so it's kind of hard to

898
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: find those saddles, the tree saddles or tree slings or

899
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: whatever they are. But I have heard good things about them.

900
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 1: That's uh. I I have not used a climber before,

901
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: but I did actually get one for Christmas this year,

902
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: So we'll see. We'll see if I use it into

903
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: what degree I use it. Um you know, Like I mentioned,

904
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: I want to be more mobile this year. I want

905
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: to get out there and um you know, this is

906
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: another point we didn't really talk about a lot, and

907
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: it applies more to me probably than you, since you're

908
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: already moving around a lot more um but me, because

909
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: I have these already set up tree stands all over

910
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: the place, it can sometimes be tempting to just want

911
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: to go back to one of them because it's convenient,

912
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: and it's it's easy to fall into the trap of

913
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: over hunting a stand location and you know, I think

914
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: what I've found is that you can very quickly educate

915
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: deer in the area, especially mature dear, if you're visiting

916
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: the same stand, you know, over and over um. So

917
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, this year, I'm really trying to be really

918
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: firm about not hunting anyone's stand more than just a

919
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: handful of times um. And then you know, moving on

920
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: new places because I think those those virgin sits or

921
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: the first couple of sits are really dramatically better. I

922
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: don't know what you've seen, but yeah, you know, it's

923
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: it's hard to tell because you know this this almost

924
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 1: comes back to that when people say there's a lull

925
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: going on. I I hate it when people say, oh,

926
00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:00,240
Speaker 1: it's the October lull. They're moving, dear, don't just disappear. Okay,

927
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: they're there and they're just not They're not They're not

928
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 1: moving where your trail cameras are at or where you're hunting.

929
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: They're moving somewhere because they got a drink and they

930
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 1: gotta eat, and they got they got a bed, and

931
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: from point to point B that's where they're moving. You're

932
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: just you're just not seeing them. Yeah, so true, So

933
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: that got I got off topic there. I apologize, No,

934
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: that's not That's a good point, UM, and one that

935
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: we're definitely gonna be talking about in a few months

936
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: as we get closer to the fall. I'm sure we

937
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: could have a couple episodes about October the quote unquote

938
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: October lull and how to hunt it and everything. UM.

939
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: One one last thing before we um, before we close

940
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: things out here, anything else about your running gun hunting,

941
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: because I think this is something when it comes to

942
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: tree stand strategies that a lot of people want to

943
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: know more about. Any tips for guys out there that

944
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: want to be more mobile with their stand setups. You know,

945
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: what would you what would you share with them? Dan?

946
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta be you gotta be willing two

947
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: take a risk. I mean you gotta be a risk

948
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: taker first of all, and then that's what that's what

949
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: running guns set ups do. Now, sometimes they can hurt

950
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: me sometimes, And to be honest with you, on these

951
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: running guns, that is when I'm typically the most successful, UM,

952
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: bumping into a new area, uh, finding out where these

953
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: deer traveling and bouncing around from tree to tree to tree.

954
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: The year I should not like this past year, but

955
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: the year before when I shot my When I shot

956
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: my buck, I was in probably a twenty I'm gonna

957
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: say a two ft by two ft by two d

958
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: foot square, all right, so uh And I probably changed

959
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: stand locations in that area, maybe a two acre area.

960
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: I changed stand locations maybe six times before I got

961
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: to where I needed to be. Wow. Now I'm talking dropping,

962
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: dropping your set, walking twenty you know, twenty yards and

963
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: setting up again and doing that until you until you

964
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: think you got these deer pegged. And that's what and

965
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: that's what it takes. You can't just go like I'm lucky.

966
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: I share a hunting property with an old fat man

967
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: because he sets, he's been sitting in the same tree

968
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: stand probably since nineteen seventy nine or whenever they legalize

969
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: bow hunting in Iowa. And it works to my benefit. Um,

970
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: it pushes all the deer away from me. But you

971
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: have to be able to You have to be able

972
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: to be mobile. And if if a deer is making

973
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: a move and he starts, even if it's a pattern

974
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 1: for two days, you see him move that that one

975
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 1: day or that one night, you best believe that next

976
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: night I'm over in that area. I'm over where I

977
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: saw that buck because if he's coming, if he's coming

978
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: from there, once there, there's a potential he's going to

979
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: come there for you know again especially you know the

980
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 1: early to mid mid October season. Now the rut, it's

981
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: all bets are off, but you know that and have

982
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: a backup of whatever you need with you. You know,

983
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: a good handsall pole, you know, a pole saw what

984
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 1: because I've I used to not carry a pole saul

985
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: when I when I was hunting and uh, I used

986
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: to work for a pulse All company, and now I

987
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: always carry a pole saul. And watching, uh, watching a

988
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: buck that is a hundred and eight inches and not

989
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: being able to take a shot because you didn't have

990
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: uh I didn't have your tree trimmed is a gut

991
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: wrenching experience. I can imagine. That doesn't sound like fun. Yeah,

992
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: So you know, take a little extra time when you

993
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: get to your location and just be patient and it's like,

994
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, remember what Dan Infalts said it on the

995
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: podcast he was on. He he likes to get to

996
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: his location and then stop when he's like yards out

997
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: and just observe, calm his breath and just then take

998
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes to gather yourself and then approach. Uh.

999
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: And I think that I think that's great advice. Yeah, No,

1000
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: I like that too. I think the one other thing

1001
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: I would add, just based on my experience with it,

1002
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: is if you're new to doing this whole running gun

1003
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: thing UM, and you're out there with you or either

1004
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: your climber or with your your portable stand and sticks,

1005
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: make sure that you've practiced a good bit before you're

1006
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: out there in the woods actually trying to hunt. Because

1007
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: if you're not confident, you know, putting your sticks up,

1008
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: putting your stand up, and doing all that quietly and quickly,

1009
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna, you know, you're gonna have some struggles, especially

1010
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: after dark um or you know, before daylight in the morning.

1011
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: So I would actually try to practice at night. You know,

1012
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: lots of times when I'm going in there, I'm either

1013
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: putting up a stand before it's daylight or I'm tearing

1014
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: down to stand you know, after dark in the evening.

1015
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: Lots of times those types of situations happen, and if

1016
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: you're not comfortable doing that, it can be a real challenge. So,

1017
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: you know, I encourage you just to make sure you

1018
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: have experience with it if you knew with it, and

1019
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 1: you know, and everywhere you go people are gonna say

1020
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: the same thing, Man, use a safety harness. It's it's

1021
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: just not it's not worth it. And and I've been

1022
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: I've had some scares in my life, uh, setting up

1023
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: some of these running gun sets or set, I mean

1024
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: even preseason. You know, it just takes one little slip

1025
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: and I don't care if you're falling eight foot or

1026
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: you're falling twenty five you're gonna break your neck and

1027
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: then you're never gonna hunt again. And uh, I'm not

1028
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to take that risk. YEP, I agree.

1029
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: Is it's not worth it at all? So safety first,

1030
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: Safety first. Well, I think that's Uh, that's a pretty

1031
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: perfect place to wrap up. You think so, Dan, I

1032
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: think so, because I think if we go in any further, uh,

1033
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have my chores done by the time

1034
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: my wife gets home. Well we can't have that. We

1035
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,240
Speaker 1: can't have that, we cannot have that. All right, Well

1036
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: that said, then, you know, to everyone out there listening,

1037
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us. I hope this was

1038
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 1: interesting and hopefully you know, helpful in some different ways. Um,

1039
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: we always would love to hear from you if you

1040
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: have different ideas on on these same topics, so feel

1041
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: free to shoot us a message on Facebook or an email.

1042
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: UM let us know what you think. If there's different

1043
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: tree stand ideas that you think are worth sharing, you

1044
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,759
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1045
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,600
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1046
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1047
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1048
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1049
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,880
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1050
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,120
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1051
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,279
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1052
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1053
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,040
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1054
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,759
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1055
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1056
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1057
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1058
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1059
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,520
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1060
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1061
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1062
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Speaker 1: as well, where we send out different updates, and now

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Speaker 1: once a week or once every two weeks, I'll be

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Speaker 1: sending out a summer email to everyone letting you know

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Speaker 1: what's you know most interesting on the blog as well too,

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Speaker 1: so that's something to look for, and also be sure

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Speaker 1: to head over to Dan's new blog at nine finger

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Speaker 1: Chronicles dot com as well. There's some some good stuff

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Speaker 1: over there already, so I like what you're doing their

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Speaker 1: damn so so thank you again everyone out there and

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Speaker 1: wired hunt Nation. You guys are the best. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: everything you do and the fact that you're taking time

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Speaker 1: out of your busy day to spend a little time

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Speaker 1: with us. And until next time, have a great week

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