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Speaker 1: It is Monday, October twenty eighth.

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Speaker 1: Two hours ahead.

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Speaker 3: After the Packers knock off the Jaguars with a field

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Speaker 3: goal as time expired thirty to twenty seven the final,

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Speaker 3: the Jaguars defensive issues.

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Speaker 1: Continue in multiple areas.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to those.

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence's performance.

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Speaker 3: Some good, some not so good, but some good when

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Speaker 3: it mattered at the end. Injury list growing, of course,

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Speaker 3: we'll have some updates on some of the injuries from

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Speaker 3: the game yesterday. Will keep it real with the trade

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Speaker 3: deadline looming, and then fanatics fan questions that told the

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Speaker 3: second hour coming up.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear from head coach Doug Peterson.

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Speaker 3: Well, the Jaguars were down tim at the start of

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Speaker 3: the fourth quarter, rallied back and without their top three

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Speaker 3: starting receivers on the field, they drove down for a

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Speaker 3: touchdown in their last offensive possession.

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Speaker 4: Doug Trevor leads the eighty seven yard drive to tie

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Speaker 4: the game without the top three receivers.

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Speaker 3: Going into today.

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Speaker 4: What did he kind of show you there on being

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Speaker 4: able to guide the team down obviously down his top

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Speaker 4: three receivers.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think, I think, yeah, he did a

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Speaker 5: nice job. I gave a credit to those those receivers,

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Speaker 5: those tight ends in the offensive line, those guys they

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Speaker 5: made plays for him right now. He made some really

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Speaker 5: good throws and all of that. But those guys that

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Speaker 5: were playing at the end of the game, when you're

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Speaker 5: down up three receivers and and you know you're playing

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Speaker 5: in your your twelve personnel, uh, for the rest of

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Speaker 5: the game.

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Speaker 3: That's that's tough.

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Speaker 5: But but the guys battled their tails off got us

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Speaker 5: back to tying this football game with a chance to

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Speaker 5: you know, potentially win it there late. So hats off

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Speaker 5: for those guys.

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Speaker 1: Said coach Doug Peterson.

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Speaker 3: We welcome in CBS Sports senior writer Pete Prisco and

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Speaker 3: Pro Football Hall of Fame left tackle Tony BUSSELLI. The

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Speaker 3: band is back together. Pete, what do you think, how

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Speaker 3: are you? It's been a while.

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Speaker 6: I'm outstanding. I mean, uh, look, we're about halfway through

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Speaker 6: the season and we're gonna start talking to draft.

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Speaker 3: No we're no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we're not.

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Speaker 3: We're not out of the We're not emanatically eliminated yet.

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Speaker 1: Come on, Pete, you know, don't.

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Speaker 6: You know why? Well, you know the bottom of the AFC.

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Speaker 6: You're not gonna be mathematically eliminated for a while because

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Speaker 6: the bottom is is going to be open for a while.

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Speaker 6: I mean, are the Colts any good? And they're smack

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Speaker 6: dab in the middle of it, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 6: So well, it might take us a little while, maybe

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Speaker 6: two or three more weeks, and we'll be talking draft.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so well.

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Speaker 1: Mathematically, no, it's you bring up an interesting point that

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Speaker 1: adds to the frustration of the year, Pete. We're two

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Speaker 1: and six and it's not like it's a super strong AFC.

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Speaker 1: I mean, even the Chiefs are undefeated, but they got

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Speaker 1: all kinds of warts. Now, they have a great defense,

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Speaker 1: obviously Pastor Mahomes, but Patrick's not putting up great numbers.

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Speaker 1: They're they're trading for receivers they traded for an aging

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. I mean looking for answers the same. I mean,

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Speaker 1: will you expect it? Guys get old? That's like father

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Speaker 1: Time is undefeated, and I think, I mean, you look

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Speaker 1: at where we sit at two and six. It's that's

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Speaker 1: what's so disappointing, is like, this is not a strong

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Speaker 6: Now, No, even in the vision the Texans haven't looked great.

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Speaker 1: But but I mean, and this is the thing. And

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Speaker 1: I thought Doug's answer was interesting to me. The question

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Speaker 1: the rest of the offense and what they did, which

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Speaker 1: is fine, I mean bad. Look, well, you can nitpick,

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Speaker 1: but I think the bigger thing to me was, and

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Speaker 1: I think he said it last night or maybe I

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Speaker 1: heard it I'm talking with Bucky, or maybe it was today,

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Speaker 1: was that the game comes down to making a handful

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Speaker 3: Yes, and.

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Speaker 1: He's right about that. And at the end of the day, no, no,

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. That's what Doug saying. He's saying

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Speaker 1: what you and I have said all along, Pete, is

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Speaker 1: it comes down to a handful of games. I mean

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Speaker 1: a handful of plays and you have to make the

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Speaker 1: plays that matter when they count, and this team would

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Speaker 1: be five and three if I'm thinking correctly. Is they've

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Speaker 1: had opportunities. Whether they had the lead in the fourth

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Speaker 1: quarter and the defense couldn't get a stop, or they

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Speaker 6: Well, Miami they should have won.

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Speaker 1: And I think they had the ball in their hands

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Speaker 1: at the end of the game. They could tie game, right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but Miami they should have won. He doesn't fumble

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Speaker 6: they win that game. They should have won the game. Anywaysland,

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Speaker 6: they had the ball at the end of the game.

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Speaker 1: I think they had a chance to go win it.

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Speaker 6: I mean yeah, I mean but again, you can go

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Speaker 6: back to every game and do that.

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Speaker 3: But that's my point, Pete.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they should be very clear they're two

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Speaker 1: and sixteen because that's what their record is. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not a big should have, could have, would have. My

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Speaker 1: point is I agree with what Doug said, if you

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Speaker 1: go make the plays that are there to be made

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Speaker 1: when you have to make them, or not make the mistakes.

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Speaker 1: Because as well as Trevor played after the first quarter

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Speaker 1: some really great stuff in the second half of that game,

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Speaker 1: but you can't ignore the fact that two of his

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Speaker 1: turnovers a bad interception and a awful fumble where you

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Speaker 1: just cannot allow that to happen. The pick I almost

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Speaker 1: get because like you can get fooled. That's a good defense.

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Speaker 6: I mean that not only that on the pick if

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Speaker 6: somebody was in the wrong place.

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Speaker 1: But I actually think that Brian Thomas was supposed to

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Speaker 1: clear that the clear of the safety to hit that.

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Speaker 1: That's my guess.

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Speaker 7: I don't know the bottom but I watched it again

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Speaker 7: because I did watch it, and if he runs a

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Speaker 7: post corner, he walks in for a touchdown, Brian Thomas

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Speaker 7: the way they were playing it, the way.

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Speaker 6: That safety was flat footed right there. If he runs

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Speaker 6: Adam and runs to the runs to the sideline, there's

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Speaker 1: Or if he just runs right by him, he's not

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Speaker 1: the guy's flat footage.

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Speaker 6: But he's right, but that guy's that's not the route though.

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Speaker 1: The route.

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Speaker 6: I think the route should have been a post corner,

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Speaker 6: or at least if it's not. They should just design

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Speaker 6: that play because it's a touchdown. But my point is

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Speaker 6: you mentioned the fumble. On the fumble, there's two guys

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Speaker 6: in the same spot too, when he's getting ready to throw.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've noticed that I did.

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 1: But here's my point, Pete the interception. Quarterbacks are gonna

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Speaker 1: throw interceptions, and Pete has always says this, if you're

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Speaker 1: gonna pressure the field, the ball down the field like,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna throw some interceptions. Now hopefully not very many

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Speaker 1: and hopefully not the wrong time. I get that. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying it's okay, but the fumble is inexcusable. You

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Speaker 1: are backed up. You have to have awareness of the

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Speaker 1: situation you're backed up. Punting there is fine.

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Speaker 3: The way he can flip the field too. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 1: We have a great punter. We have good special teams.

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Speaker 1: Like sometimes just punting the balls. Okay, Like Pete said,

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Speaker 1: route mess up so it takes it away. Pressure come

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Speaker 1: in on a from the inside because off a zone

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Speaker 1: dog blitz, you're rolling out. Tuck it.

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Speaker 3: Can't hold it like a loaf.

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Speaker 1: You can't hold tuck it.

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Speaker 6: In or take the checkdown or take the check down

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Speaker 6: the ingram a first down, but he was opened in

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Speaker 1: That's fine, Pete, take the checkdown, or just tuck it

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Speaker 1: and run, or throw bounds like you're out of the pocket, whatever,

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Speaker 1: anything but holding it in your left hand, your off

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Speaker 1: hand getting tackled and it falls out like a loaf

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Speaker 1: of bread just sitting there.

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Speaker 6: In the ground.

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Speaker 1: That's a that's seven points that changed. Now you're down

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Speaker 1: two possessions.

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Speaker 6: You can't do that. You still get you still tie

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Speaker 6: the game.

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Speaker 1: With So now all of a sudden, it's bad. This

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Speaker 1: is where I give him credit. It would have been easy.

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Speaker 1: Doug has also talked about this team not facing or

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Speaker 1: dealing with adversity very well, Okay, it's a verse. We're

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Speaker 1: down ten in the fourth quarter against a backup quarterback. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's about as bad. And we'll get to the defense

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Speaker 1: in a second, because that is got.

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Speaker 3: A whole segment.

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Speaker 1: That's a whole another story we got to talked about.

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Speaker 1: And so but now here's the positive. Quarterback, no receivers. Like,

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, I was sitting in the booth.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, this is over, Like we're not. We haven't

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Speaker 1: moved the ball. Great, today. Now we're gonna do without

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Speaker 1: Christian No, the most dynamics player on our team. To

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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Jr. No gave Davis like, Okay, so who

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Speaker 1: are we throwing the ball to? And you know what

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Speaker 1: Trevor did? And I know like and Doug talked about

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Speaker 1: everyone else, but I'm like, I'm gonna like it starts

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Speaker 1: with the quarterback. You know what the quarterback did and

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Speaker 1: the line and Doug's right, the line was outstanding. They

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Speaker 1: protected the receivers, wearying Chris routes, but he was dealing

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Speaker 1: on target, on time, decisive and decisive is like I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 1: like right here, run out of the pocket by the

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Speaker 1: time find it, you know, Ernest in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the field, big play. Like I'm like, this is what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about. And I'm like, this is good football.

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Speaker 1: And I hope what I hope is that Trevor, that

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Speaker 1: offensive line and whoever the receivers are can like take

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Speaker 1: this as a confidence builders, Like, guys, we're good, we

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Speaker 1: can do this. Look what we did against a very

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Speaker 1: good Green Bay defense with backups. With I guarantee you

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Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that probably have never been on

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Speaker 1: the practice field at the same time together in a

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Speaker 1: two minute situation. Like, that's good stuff, and you know.

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Speaker 6: It's pretty amazing about it. Well, again, he looked very

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Speaker 6: comfortable in it, which goes back to my theory. All

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Speaker 6: the time I knew we were.

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Speaker 1: Coming he does.

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Speaker 6: I mean, really, isn't that hard to see? He plays

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Speaker 6: better in those situations. He's more comfortable. I mean, he's

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Speaker 6: still he made Strange look like Kelsey at his prime.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he was much more comfortable now. Having said that,

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Speaker 6: Like just see where see where he's running down the

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Speaker 6: And so and and that was just a so. I

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Speaker 1: But here's the So, this is where we're at Pete

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Speaker 1: And right now, the reason I'm saying we're a bad

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Speaker 1: It's almost like, man, it'd be better off just not

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Speaker 1: And that's what's so frustrating, I think for everybody involved

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Speaker 6: Yesterday, we got to comment on those words by Doug Peterson.

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Speaker 8: This definitely hurts right now. Uh, you know, we had

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Speaker 8: it comes back down to those you know, those those

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Speaker 1: On that last play.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think.

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Speaker 8: SI got hurt or something, so hopefully he's he's feeling

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Speaker 6: But you know this, this one's definite.

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Speaker 8: Gonna hurt because I feel like we had a great

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Speaker 1: I hope I'll be there for a little bit, obviously

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Speaker 1: It'll it'll be fun. And very thankful to the Jaguars

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Speaker 6: You know what, Tony, I was gonna say, you should

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Speaker 1: Titans are bad.

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Speaker 1: Right, what we have? We have Minnesota left, we have

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Speaker 1: Tom calls a naked bootleg and Mark throws a pick

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Speaker 1: to be to end the game.

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Speaker 6: And then they took the safety and they.

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Speaker 1: Took Yeah, but that was the game.

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Speaker 3: It was over, and it would have been left naked

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Speaker 3: bootleg naked.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was naked. It was naked left. So he

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Speaker 1: faked the zone to the right, he naked left and

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Speaker 1: he threw I don't even know who picked it or

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Speaker 1: what the situation was a pick, And I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: Tom said something in the postgame press conference with Tom

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Speaker 1: never did like it was very out of character for Tom. Pete,

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Speaker 1: Am I not right about that? Like Tom would never

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Speaker 1: like call out individual like he called the team because

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Speaker 1: it was all about team. And I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: can't even remember what the comment was, but I remember

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Speaker 1: it being controversial because everyone's like ooh, like that was

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Speaker 1: not like Tom and Pete in all his glory and

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Speaker 1: with it like a little kid running downstairs.

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Speaker 6: Story, You're you're giving half the story again.

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Speaker 1: No, that's all that's I'm telling.

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Speaker 3: That's all.

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Speaker 1: That's all I really remember. Beating people the rest of

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Speaker 1: the story I'm just giving the back. I'm just giving

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Speaker 1: the background because it was it was definitely noisy in

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Speaker 1: the locker room because of what was said. Okay, and

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Speaker 1: that's all I first, I'm being honest, that's all I remember, honestly.

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Speaker 6: Okay, First off, it was pouring.

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Speaker 1: Pouring, it was like down was like a monsoon.

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Speaker 6: That's kind of what happened with the throw. It was

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Speaker 6: like kind of like it was ugly because he kind

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Speaker 6: of slips out of his hands. He should have called

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Speaker 6: that play. But he comes in there and he kind

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Speaker 6: of calls out Brunell. But the next day he brings

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Speaker 6: Brunel into his office and further calls him out.

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Speaker 1: Remember now that you say that I do. I did

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Speaker 1: not remember that. I really didn't.

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Speaker 6: And so that's where the genesis of that whole thing

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Speaker 6: really took off. And when it took off, of course,

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Speaker 6: naturally I get wind of it. So I get a

478
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Speaker 6: story and I have this I'm gonna write this story

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Speaker 6: that there's a quarterback situation with the head coach, and

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Speaker 6: the newspaper at the time said, you can't write it

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Speaker 6: unless you get more sources on it. Well, I got enough.

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Speaker 6: They wouldn't let me make a headline out of it.

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Speaker 6: I ended up writing a column about it. And that's

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Speaker 6: when Coughlin came out in Pittsburgh and kind of came

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Speaker 6: out screaming at me. And so that can we.

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Speaker 1: Just be clear, though, Pete, that was only one of

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Speaker 1: the times that Couughlin came and yelled at you, because

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Speaker 1: I can remember several times in the hallway, Tom chasing down.

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Speaker 6: This public in front of other people in your room

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Speaker 6: and so and so. So that was that quarterback coach

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Speaker 6: relationship at the time was not great. They kind of

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Speaker 6: mended that and Mark, you know, over the years, Mark

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Speaker 6: has nothing but the ut.

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Speaker 1: Mark loves Tom. Tom loves Tom, and Tom loves Mark.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, and and they should. But at the moment

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Speaker 6: it wasn't great. And so I sense when I hear

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Speaker 6: Doug gloss over his quarterback going what was he eight

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Speaker 6: of ten on that drive? Throwing to guys in new

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Speaker 6: spots and playing wide receiver who weren't there before, and

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Speaker 6: he just glosses over it without really saying anything. My

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Speaker 6: radar goes up and all of a sudden, I'm saying

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Speaker 6: to myself and I know others around the city are

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Speaker 6: saying the same thing. Is there a problem with the

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Speaker 6: coaching quarterback? And it's not the first time we've heard that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw it on X because I didn't see

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Speaker 1: it live. I saw it on X and someone was

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Speaker 1: making a similar comment to what Pete's saying. I'll be Anesha.

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Speaker 1: I listened to it. Yeah, I mean, I guess you

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Speaker 1: could like after I'll say this. If I would have

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Speaker 1: heard it without the commentary Pete just said or the

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Speaker 1: ex commentary, I probably wouldn't have thought much of it.

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Speaker 1: I can see what he's saying. I don't take it

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Speaker 1: that way from Doug because that doesn't that doesn't fit

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Speaker 1: kind of who I've seen Doug b over the last

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Speaker 1: two and a half years now. I think Doug was

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Speaker 1: just so frustrated, Like my sense Pete, it's not about

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Speaker 1: I think he's frustrated with the quarterbacks turnovers. I think

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Speaker 1: he's frustrated about the defense not getting stopped. I think

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Speaker 1: he's frustrated about prestat penalties. I think he is so

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Speaker 1: frustrated that he's like, yeah, the quarterback, Yeah, He's like whatever,

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Speaker 1: and his thinking is, wait a second, I'm so mad

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Speaker 1: at the quarterback for fumbling on the five yard line

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Speaker 1: and giving up seven. I have no energy right now

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Speaker 1: to say anything positive.

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Speaker 3: That's my Takeak.

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Speaker 6: But again, Tony, that goes back to the stuff with

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Speaker 6: Mark Mark through the interception and he kind of laid

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Speaker 6: him out for it and without giving him credit for

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Speaker 6: what he did on that drive, you kind of lay

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Speaker 6: out you're laying the blame on him for the loss

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Speaker 6: and not giving him credit for bringing him back to

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Speaker 6: where they were twenty seven to twenty seven. That's all

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Speaker 6: I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and I'm pete. I'm not going to argue with you.

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Speaker 1: I get your perspective. I'm just me listening to it.

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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, maybe I would have said it differently,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know. I mean.

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Speaker 6: When you had a different talk earlier in the season

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Speaker 6: about a kind of aship we did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean because I think there was another press conference.

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Speaker 1: Your spidy senses were going off for that too, as

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Speaker 1: far as like, wait a second, something's going on here.

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Speaker 3: Remember when when Trevor after think it was the Browns game,

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Speaker 3: came out in the press conference and started kind of

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Speaker 3: talking a little differently about hey, we not like ripping

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Speaker 3: into guys, but it was a little out of Trevor's

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Speaker 3: normal character. You know, here's my take around that. Maybe, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: here's my take. Yeah, I think you're right.

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Speaker 1: JP. Here's my takeaway about it all. Guys, when you're losing,

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Speaker 1: everything is wrong. I mean in the NFL, when you're losing,

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Speaker 1: everything is bad. Everything is wrong. Everyone's the blame. I

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Speaker 1: mean everybody is. And what happens is for in the

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Speaker 1: media and shows like we do, and in the fan

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Speaker 1: base and everything else. Everybody is looking for a solution.

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Speaker 1: And so every problem, even if it's a small one,

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Speaker 1: they're trying to find. It's like, oh, there it is.

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Speaker 1: That's it right there. It's a quarterback quoture relationship, or

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Speaker 1: it's this, or it's that, and sometimes it's everything. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of things. And I have rarely seen

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Speaker 1: in the game of football, whether it's a game, an organization,

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Speaker 1: the culture of the organization, whatever you want to say,

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Speaker 1: where it's there's one magic bullet, like if we just

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Speaker 1: do this, everything's in a fix. If we can just

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Speaker 1: like to Pete, and I know Pete's genuine about this,

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Speaker 1: Like Pete has said multiple times on this show, they

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Speaker 1: need to play faster. If to play faster, everything's gonna

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Speaker 1: be great, And I'm like, eh, maybe maybe better. Maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe if you play faster than your defense is on

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Speaker 1: the field. Fair. But if you maybe, if you play faster,

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Speaker 1: the defense is out there more and our defense can't

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Speaker 1: handle that.

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Speaker 3: They wouldn't be out there along either, because you have one.

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Speaker 6: Your defense plays with the lead.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, But that's you're making my point, Pete. I think

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Speaker 1: we're all searching for answers and we all have opinions.

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Speaker 1: My opinion, it's not one thing. I think it's several things.

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Speaker 1: And I just don't take much about the coach saying

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Speaker 1: nice things are un nice things, however you want to

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Speaker 1: take that SoundBite. I just don't think that's why we're losing.

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Speaker 3: All Right, We've got to come back. We've got to

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Speaker 3: get to the defense.

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Speaker 1: Defense next, We've got to go defense defense.

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Speaker 3: There's so much defense to talk about.

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Speaker 6: Yes, there is a whole lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, some not a fun conversation though.

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Speaker 6: Is it the execution by the players?

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Speaker 5: You know, I would say it's a little of both

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Speaker 5: right now. And look, bottom line is sometimes and I'm

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Speaker 5: not saying this is the this is the case, but

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Speaker 5: you know, you don't want to do too much on

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Speaker 5: the field, right You don't want to take things in

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Speaker 5: your own hands and think you got to do somebody else.

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Speaker 6: Just do your Just ask you to do your job.

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Speaker 5: Coaches, coach, players play all that, but just do your

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Speaker 5: job and and we'll be fine. And when the when

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Speaker 5: you see the good out there, that's what's happening. All

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Speaker 5: eleven are playing is one. But sometimes there's you know,

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Speaker 5: every now and then you get the one guy that

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Speaker 5: you know, maybe's out of his gap or does something

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Speaker 5: a little bit different or forgott an assignment or something

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Speaker 5: like that, and it hurts us.

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Speaker 3: defense gave up thirty yesterday.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 3: Fourteen of those were on short fields after the giveaways

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Speaker 3: by the Jaguars, of course, but they they happened. There

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Speaker 3: were some moments where okay, they held him to field goals, fine,

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Speaker 3: but boy in the big moment at the end breaks

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Speaker 3: open for the big pass down the field, and uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, Andre cisk I Guess was cramping. He said

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Speaker 3: on the play. You know that.

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Speaker 1: I remember you said it on the air, you said, hey,

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Speaker 1: on that play.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, he got picked.

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Speaker 1: He got picked like he was beat before any cramp

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Speaker 1: ever happened. According to the to be honest.

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Speaker 6: With you, Tony, he was beat before any pick happened.

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Speaker 1: Well because a leak.

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Speaker 6: There's a leak, and they hit him very well as

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Speaker 6: in the slot there.

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Speaker 1: It's a great play call. What I don't understand not

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. So maybe there was a I'm just watching

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Speaker 1: the tape. We had at least nine guys maybe ten

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Speaker 1: in the box, and part of me, I guess, understands

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Speaker 1: it because they're afraid of Josh Jacobs running the ball

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Speaker 1: down their throats like he did the previous drive or.

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Speaker 3: Two drives earlier, or the quarterback holding it and going

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Speaker 3: or the.

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Speaker 1: Quarterback holding it. But I guess my philosophy would be

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Speaker 1: is like like not I'm not saying play super soft,

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Speaker 1: but you can't let anything get behind you, like force them.

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Speaker 1: Like if you beat us with a minute whatever that

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Speaker 1: was on the clock, minute thirty at that time, I

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Speaker 1: think something like that, and you could run the ball

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Speaker 1: down the field at four yards a clip and beat us, okay,

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Speaker 1: like you can like but or if you can beat

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Speaker 1: us with Malik Willis completing and you know, five or

656
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Speaker 1: six passes and getting down in field goal range.

657
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 3: Okay, remember they started the drive of the four yard run.

658
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.

659
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Speaker 3: So they run the clock and then it's one thirteen

660
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 3: pass hits.

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00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you just can't.

662
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Speaker 6: Well, well, here's the other part of that too. They're

663
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 6: playing man the man and and and that's one thing.

664
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Speaker 6: The one thing he can do is take off. Yeah,

665
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 6: your back, that's what I'm going to get. We saw

666
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 6: that earlier in the game. It was just a bad

667
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 6: call on defense. I mean, look at the look at

668
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Speaker 6: the linebackers off that play action.

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Speaker 1: They were playing run first, like, I get it, but

670
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: they all have to turn and have their backs to

671
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Speaker 1: the entire thing.

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Speaker 6: Did you see?

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Speaker 1: I saw it. I don't understand, Like one, I do

674
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: understand playing man in that situation like play zone, keep

675
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: everything in front of you, keep eyes on the quarterback,

676
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: like come up, hit tackle like.

677
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Speaker 6: Four time packers have left two yeap too. But yeah,

678
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 6: but you still make them go get the field, go

679
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 6: earn it.

680
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, make them like use their timeouts early, come up

681
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: and tackle right like if Malik Willis beat you, you know,

682
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: throwing four or five passes down the field, Okay, tip

683
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: your hat and like go home.

684
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 6: What yard line was that was?

685
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 3: That place started on the third thirty thirty yard line

686
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: with his drive shorter than that play was thirty thirty four.

687
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,959
Speaker 6: Okay, so thirty four. So does to say he gets

688
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 6: you know, a ten yard or an incomplete, an eight

689
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 6: yard or nine yards, we can get a first down,

690
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 6: you're still gonna be kicking a forty five fifty yard

691
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 6: field goal to win it rather than point blank range

692
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Speaker 6: to win it. So, yeah, I'm with you, Tony. If

693
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Speaker 6: he if he does that, he's earned he's earned it.

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Speaker 1: Sure, I get it. But to play man with like

695
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: Cisco was three four yards off the line of scrimmage

696
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: in the wash and watching the tape. Unless he cramped

697
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: before the snap, it was.

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Speaker 3: Going down and he was already five yards will like,

699
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: he wasn't covering him if he was Week one, perfect health,

700
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 3: no heat, nothing, But he wasn't.

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Speaker 6: Covering him if he doesn't get picked either, because I

702
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 6: know a lot of people pointed out the pick. He

703
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 6: was beat by the time he got picked.

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Speaker 1: Well by the way he got picked by his own guy. Yeah,

705
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 1: he got it was over.

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Speaker 6: It was that guy leaked out. He didn't pay attention

707
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 6: to him. He leaked out, and off he went. It

708
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 6: was a great play call by the Packers, and and

709
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 6: and poor execution and park defensive call by the Jaguars.

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00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 6: All right, that was the surprising part of it is

711
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 6: they called him in man. How would you think, I mean,

712
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 6: you would think that they wouldn't be playing man and

713
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 6: that play wouldn't work in that situation.

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Speaker 3: It did. That was the key moment of the game, clearly.

715
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: And the field goal came right after that. But earlier

716
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 3: in the game, the Jaguars were playing against a one legged.

717
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: Quarterback and we couldn't get to him.

718
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 3: They had one quarterback hit in the first half of

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00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 3: the game when it was clear he couldn't move. He couldn't.

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Speaker 3: He could, It was painful for him to hand the football.

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00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: He could not move. He on the first drive, on

722
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: a third down, he's rolling to the right. He tries

723
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: to throw it back to the middle of the field.

724
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: The guy's wide open. He missed him, and on that

725
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: throat it was Jacob's. He clearly pulls his groin and

726
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: he limps off the field. For the rest of the

727
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: first half he is limping around and trying to make

728
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: a go of it, and I'm like, let's go, like

729
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: come after him, and kid him and make him like

730
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: he can't move and we couldn't get to him. They

731
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: blitzed a little bit, right, but they couldn't get to him,

732
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: and that didn't even get hold. And then in the

733
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: second half, like okay, but the defense like, okay, give

734
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: it thirteen points. Hung in there. Yeah, sure, sure got

735
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: to turn over in the game. Okay, it's not great,

736
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: but like we're right in the game with the offense

737
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: playing just pitiful for a quarter and a half, so

738
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: like tip your hat, all right, we're all right, We're fine.

739
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: Second half comes, he tries to start two plays, he's out.

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Speaker 3: Just yeah, those to play at Traylon hit him kind

741
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: of in the back.

742
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Speaker 1: And he can't. He can't even he can't protect himself.

743
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: He's done. He's get out of there. And so the

744
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: rookie comes, i mean not the rookie, the backup quarterback

745
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: comes in week Willis, and right away I'm like, this

746
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 1: dude can't, like he can't operate the offense that Jordan

747
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: Love does because he's not the thrower. He's not a

748
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: great thrower of the football, not super accurate. And I'm like,

749
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: all right, let's just stop the run. Stop the run.

750
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: Force him to beat you. We do it fine in

751
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: the first series, get off, we go down to score

752
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: seventeen thirteen. I'm like, there we go. The drive that

753
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: just killed me was they get the ball and they

754
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: go seventy six yards.

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00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 6: All run.

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00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: They had one called pass play that as soon as

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00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: the first guy's not open, we're in man and we're

758
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: in man and he runs and there's nobody there.

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00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 6: He could have thrown it, by the way, he had

760
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 6: a guy wide open.

761
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: I know there, but he doesn't want to throw it right.

762
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 3: Here's the play list of that drive. Eight plays, eighty yards.

763
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 3: It was Jacob's with the middle for five, Jacobs with

764
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 3: the middle for four, Jacobs up the middle for two,

765
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: Jacobs with the middle for five, Wilson up the middle

766
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Speaker 3: for one. Willis passed short left to Wicks for five.

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Speaker 3: So they had one pass. Willis scrambles right, I mean

768
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 3: scrambles right end for twenty and then Jacob's at the

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Speaker 3: middle thirty eight yards touchdown. That was the drive.

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Speaker 1: How many throws passes did he have in the second half.

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00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: I want to say it was four.

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Speaker 3: I thought Elak Willis had four or five passing in

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Speaker 3: the game. So yeah, So that was all in the second.

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00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: Half, so he had five They threw the ball five times.

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00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 6: That's amazing.

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00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 6: By the way, which which hockey lines were on the

778
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 6: field during that drive? Who was who was rotated in?

779
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 6: Who came over the boards to get in in the

780
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 6: rotation on that that that drive where they all involved,

781
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 6: they take the starters out. Who was in in that drive?

782
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Speaker 6: It's amazing.

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Speaker 1: I've stopped trying to figure out who's playing when and

784
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: why and how and what I have. I don't understand

785
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: the rhyme, and I can't figure out if there's any

786
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: rhyme or reason to our substitution pattern.

787
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Speaker 6: JP, you got the snap counts there?

788
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Speaker 7: Oh?

789
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 3: Do? I? Yeah? I do.

790
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Speaker 6: Give me the defensive snapcounts because this is like you're

791
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 6: gonna go through these, you to go, what all?

792
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: Right? Here we go.

793
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 3: We gotta do this pretty quickly here, because they break

794
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 3: defensive snapcounts Tyson Campbell ninety nine percent, Savage ninety nine percent,

795
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 3: Cisco ninety four percent, a Luik and sixty four snaps

796
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Speaker 3: out of seventy. So that's ninety one percent.

797
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 6: Coming back off in off injury.

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Speaker 3: That's okay, that's more than normal actually for him, right,

799
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: Josh heinz Allen sixty snaps out of seventy, Jarian Jones

800
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 3: fifty eight snaps, Trayvon Walker fifty four snaps, Devon Hamilton

801
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: forty seven, Monterrek Brown forty five, Ventre Miller the linebacker

802
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 3: forty one snaps, Led Beetter forty on the D line,

803
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 3: Devin Lloyd thirty nine snaps at linebacker. I wen't keep

804
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 3: going town. That's enough.

805
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you see, you see the point there. And

806
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 6: then how many did Prince play?

807
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 3: Prince played seventeen snaps at the corner.

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00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 6: And that's because Darby got dinged.

809
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, that's the mainly one.

810
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: Unless yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I didn't have three other corners though they have. They

812
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 6: have Brown, Campbell and Jones. So if they, I swear,

813
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 6: if they had two more corners soon up, they'd all

814
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 6: play fifteen. I just for the life of me, I

815
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 6: can't figure it out. I don't understand it. I never will.

816
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 6: It's you know, and if I'm not mistaken in one

817
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 6: of the in the key drive at one point, the

818
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 6: two best pass rushers on on the field together.

819
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think the frustrating thing is is

820
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: you can't get to you have an injured guy that

821
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: you know is injured, you can't you don't find a

822
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: way to get them to them. Okay, but you get

823
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: a turnover, you manage, you're in the game. Now you

824
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: have the backup in. You know, he like they're changing

825
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: the offense because they're just gonna run the ball. And

826
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: so again, not a defensive coordinator, but I know enough,

827
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: like okay, like we understand what we're dealing with. Let's

828
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: adjust accordingly. And and at the end of the day,

829
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: we couldn't get the stops, and we couldn't get the

830
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: stops when it mattered, and the last drive giving up

831
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: a big play was the one thing you couldn't do,

832
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: and we did it.

833
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: Let's come back coming up in the second hour and

834
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 3: just a little bit. We've got fanatics, fan questions. It's

835
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 3: a little bit away. We're gonna keep it real. With

836
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 3: the trade deadline looming, everybody's looking for everybody's looking forward

837
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 3: to that. I'll tell you back in a moment. The

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00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,479
Speaker 3: Jaguars are facing off against the Viking Sunday, November tenth,

839
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 3: the Salute to Service game. See the shell, white, alternate

840
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Speaker 3: helmets and action for the first time, join us in

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848
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Speaker 3: the program. We'll get to the top stories of the day,

849
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: will get some fanatics, fan questions. All that's coming up.

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00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 3: Keep it real. We haven't done that yet, Pete. In

851
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 3: the first hour.

852
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 6: We don't keep it We don't ever keep it real,

853
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 6: do we.

854
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:56,959
Speaker 3: No, we don't know, we don't no never. You know, Hey,

855
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: the punter had a good game, Pete.

856
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 6: Whenever you're talking about your punter, that means you had a.

857
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: Bad Day's exactly the truth, right, That's what it is.

858
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 6: If you're if you're raving about your punter, you're having

859
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 6: a bad day.

860
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: We've had a lot of years when we've raved about

861
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: the punning.

862
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 6: I mean, he's a good punter, but you don't everyone

863
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 6: you don't want to see.

864
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 3: Him, No, see him in the Pro Bowl. That's fine?

865
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, and so yeah, look, JP the defense has

866
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 6: interior defensive line issues that manifest itself in a lot

867
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 6: of ways. They get no inside pressure at all, they're

868
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 6: not great against the run, and they get pushed around.

869
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 6: There are actually plays when you watch that yesterday, where

870
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 6: the double team takes it both tackles and moves them

871
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 6: four yards off the ball at the snap. There are

872
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 6: skates and that can't happen.

873
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: Who was on the Jags D interior D line.

874
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 6: On a couple of those plays, Tony, those guys got blown.

875
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 6: The double team took them so far off the ball,

876
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 6: Like right at the stat they're off the ball, they're

877
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 6: getting on skates, and then you can't get the linebackers

878
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 6: can't get to them.

879
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: Well how many yards they rush for? Right?

880
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 3: Correct?

881
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: Well, when you give up one hundred and seventy yards

882
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: rushing pet that means you got physically beat.

883
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 6: The Willis was the Willis? Yeah, okay, take that off.

884
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: If you get up, if you give up one hundred

885
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: and fifty, especially when for half the game you know

886
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: they don't want to throw the ball in the first

887
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: half the game. You know they got an injured quarterback

888
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: and you give up one fifty. It means you got

889
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: physically beat at the point of attack. That's what that means.

890
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 6: You watch the tape, right, Yes, Hamilton actually made a

891
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 6: couple of plays in the run game. Sure for a

892
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 6: group that was getting blown off the ball. He actually

893
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 6: made a couple. The problem is nobody wins right at

894
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 6: the point of attack. And get what was the last

895
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 6: time you saw a guy stuffed in the backfield who

896
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 6: wins is one on one gets off of it and

897
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 6: gets into the backfield and stuffs him.

898
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean Trayvon got on the Jets weeping

899
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: on the inside. Yeah, you don't see that bury.

900
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 3: Off, No, not often.

901
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: You see it from You see it from Josh and

902
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 1: Trayvon at times, Like Montera Brown is a good tackler,

903
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: he comes up off the times. Yeah, yeah, to your point,

904
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 1: not much, Pete.

905
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 6: Yeah. And and that's you see. You watch tape around

906
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 6: the league and other teams, and there's always a couple

907
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 6: of plays where a guy knife's through and makes him

908
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 6: play in the backfield from the from his inside of

909
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 6: the defense, and it's just it doesn't happen And the

910
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 6: second round, Picks.

911
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: Sitting on his ass. We're back in a moment. Second

912
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 3: hour of the program coming up. We will keep it

913
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Speaker 3: real as we always do. Plus the fanatics, fan questions.

914
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 3: One hour down, one hour ago, it's Jaguars Happy Hour

915
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 3: on the Jaguars Digital Network.

916
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 5: Had a good start. First down, you know, we're what

917
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 5: a six seven yard completion now first down to tank

918
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 5: and then two incompletions. I mean, those are just things

919
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 5: we've got to continue to look at and and you know,

920
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 5: it's just it's just that execution part, right, and then

921
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 5: as coaches making the decisions and the type of calls

922
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 5: that we're making, and you know, just look at it

923
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 5: and make sure we're doing the right thing there. And

924
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 5: but again it you know, it took us into the

925
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 5: second quarter against New England to get going, and it

926
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Speaker 5: took us about to the fourteenth play of this game,

927
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 5: you know, to get us going. So you know, that's

928
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 5: something we've got to look at and really make make

929
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Speaker 5: an emphasis of, you know, starting like the way we

930
00:47:55,360 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 5: finish that would be that would be ideal, you know

931
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 5: as we move forward.

932
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Speaker 1: It certainly would.

933
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Speaker 3: That's head coach Doug Peterson and welcome pack it's the

934
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 3: second hour of Jaguars Happy Hour. It It's presented by

935
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 3: Mister Chubby's Wings before the game, after the game, and

936
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 3: during the game. We're on Tentenexlam, Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube,

937
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 3: j P Shadrick, Tony Vasselli, Pete Prisco. The Jaguars overcame

938
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 3: two different ten point deficits in the game, including one

939
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 3: inside of two minutes, but lost in a field goal

940
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 3: as time expired thirty to twenty seven of the green

941
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Speaker 3: Bay Packers. Brandon McManus, of all people, hit the field

942
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Speaker 3: goal at the end. The Jags defense struggled against the

943
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 3: Packers running game at one hundred and seventy yards on

944
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Speaker 3: the ground for green Bay, and they failed to get

945
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Speaker 3: consistent pressure on the Packers quarterbacks, including one playing on

946
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 3: one leg. The injuries piling up. Three starting receivers left

947
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Speaker 3: the game, did not return. The starting left guard left

948
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 3: the game, did not return. The starting right guarden left

949
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 3: the game. He did come back. The starting corner didn't

950
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 3: come back in the game. There was a long list yesterday.

951
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 3: Two costly Trevor's turnovers led to fourteen Packers points, but

952
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 3: the Jags drove the field for that game, tying touchdown

953
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 3: with two minutes to play in the game, with the

954
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 3: big play aloud by the Jags defense led to the

955
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: field goal. The Jaguars are now two and six. They're

956
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 3: headed to Philadelfia now this week for a game that

957
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 3: was flexed out of Sunday Night Football, and it's now

958
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 3: a four h five kick for the Jaguars and Eagles.

959
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 3: And the tough stretch continues NFC contenuers coming up at

960
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 3: the Eagles home against the Vikings, at the Lions before

961
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Speaker 3: the bye week, and then the Texans come to town.

962
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 3: That's about it tonight, I think.

963
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we So it's a stretch of five

964
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: straight playoff teams.

965
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, all five with winning records or playoff caligary teams.

966
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 3: That's right.

967
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: Brutal, brutal pete is it? It's brutal when you're not

968
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: when you're two and five or two, and we're two

969
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: and five going into it. But if you were, if

970
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: you'd have been five and two, you're like okay, like

971
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: like if you consider yourself one of the upper rational

972
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Speaker 1: hant teams, like those are the teams you gotta go beat.

973
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're to win every one of them.

974
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: But that's what that's the NFL.

975
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Speaker 6: And to be honest with you, up until this past week,

976
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 6: there were questions about the Eagles. They look good on

977
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Speaker 6: Sunday against the Bengals, but there were questions about him.

978
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Speaker 6: The Texans haven't looked as good. The Vikings have suddenly

979
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 6: come back to reality a little bit. So, yeah, it

980
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 6: doesn't look as daunting, but when you're not very good,

981
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Speaker 6: everything looks daunting.

982
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: That's my point. That's exactly right. And you know, the

983
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: Eagles were two and two going into their by. They've

984
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Speaker 1: won three straight. If if I got the math right,

985
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: is that right?

986
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Speaker 3: It's correct?

987
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and so and it looks like they're getting better,

988
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: they're getting healthier, they're I think their left tackle is

989
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 1: still on ir he is, but they got a good

990
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: offensive line, they got good skill the you know quarterback

991
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: and beat you with his arm and his legs. And

992
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: then defensively they're starting to play better as well. They

993
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: got a bunch of town on that side of the ball.

994
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: So they're a good football team. But you can say

995
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: that most weekends you're playing.

996
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 6: And you gotta yeah, nless, it's like Carolina.

997
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. There's only a handful of like teams

998
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: that are really, really, really bad. I mean even the Patriots,

999
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: who we didn't think was were very good, went and

1000
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 1: found a way to win a game against the Jets. Okay,

1001
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: they did, and that's the NFL. And and we got

1002
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: we have to go find a way to go beat

1003
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: a good Philly team and you're gonna probably go up

1004
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: there down some guys. But that's also part of the NFL.

1005
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 3: By the way, we mentioned the laundry list of injuries

1006
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 3: and Doug Peterson did update some of those today. Brian

1007
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 3: Thomas Junior talked in the locker room said he should

1008
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 3: be trending the right way. That was echoed by the

1009
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 3: head coach. So that's positive with a chest injury kind

1010
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 3: of like even.

1011
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 6: Though there was a report out there that said he

1012
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 6: was going to miss two to four weeks, which is

1013
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 6: and then Mike Derocco kind of talked to him and said, no,

1014
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 6: that's not the case.

1015
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was standing there when he said it and

1016
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 3: said it's not the case at all. He's planning on going,

1017
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 3: so we'll see. Christian Kirk's Dunn gave Davis should be

1018
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 3: okay moving ahead, just had lost feeling and couldn't get

1019
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 3: it back during the game with a shoulder issue as

1020
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 3: a Cleveland ankle ankle and day to day. According to

1021
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 3: the head coach Brandon Sheriff sore, he's a tough guy,

1022
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 3: That's what he said about him. Darby's day to day

1023
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 3: with a hip injury. So there you go.

1024
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 6: So how will they start when they're in a three

1025
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 6: receiver group next week?

1026
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: I think I think it's Thomas, assuming Gabe Davis comes

1027
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 1: back and Thomas come back, it's Gabe Davis, Parker Washington,

1028
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: and Brian Thomas Jr.

1029
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 6: Correct. Okay, so what if Gabe Davis isn't back. I

1030
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 6: guess it's gotta be.

1031
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 3: You're probably gonna bring a receiver.

1032
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: You're gonna bring a You're gonna bring a receiver up,

1033
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,479
Speaker 1: Probably Trammels, my guess, maybe Elijah Cooks.

1034
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 3: I bet Tim Jones would get to play though.

1035
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Tim Jones is probably your guy.

1036
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 3: Or you know, some more two tight end stuff.

1037
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1038
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 6: I used a lot of that on that last drive

1039
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 6: because both of them can catch the ball. So you

1040
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 6: could use that.

1041
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you could go with Evan and uh and Strange,

1042
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: Parker Washington and Brian Thomas Jr. As well. It's not

1043
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: a bad group at all.

1044
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 6: I'll be honest with you. Parker Washington has been more

1045
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 6: oppressive than Gabe Davis.

1046
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. Yeah, Washington opportunities.

1047
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 6: He's a little bit of a wiggle to him. He

1048
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 6: can run. He runs. Really his route improvement from year

1049
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 6: one the year two is amazing.

1050
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: He's very quick. I don't think he's fast, but he

1051
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: is very quick. And now when I say fast, like

1052
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: he's relative to the normal human being. He's very fast.

1053
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: He's probably a four five, but he's like a four

1054
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: or five. But Brian Thomas fast.

1055
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 6: He looks faster than Gabe Davis.

1056
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: I probably. I think he probably is.

1057
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 6: But isn't funny. Gabe Davis was once this like vertical

1058
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 6: threat in the passing game with Buffalo, remember when he

1059
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 6: went nuts against the Chiefs.

1060
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: But but he wasn't he always the second or third guy?

1061
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: Yeah in Buffalo.

1062
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, but the you know, every team has a guy

1063
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 6: like the Packers have Christian Watson, who's a vertical threat.

1064
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 6: That's what he is. That's what gave Davis was kind

1065
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 6: of perceived as that. Now, he was never truly a

1066
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 6: clock burner, but he played fast and now he doesn't

1067
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 6: even play fast. I mean, I think Parker Washington will

1068
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 6: fill the Christian Kirk role and that's what he will do,

1069
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 6: and he'll do it well, I think. But you know,

1070
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Speaker 6: that other spot is still a major concern to me,

1071
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 6: and it has been all year. Well, you know, they

1072
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 6: exchanged they exchanged A Jones. No, j Jones had some

1073
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 6: other issues going on as well, as we later found out.

1074
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Speaker 6: But Zay Jones was every bit as good as Gabe

1075
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Speaker 6: Davis was.

1076
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 3: And he's faster, Yeah, he's faster, a threat down the field, faster,

1077
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 3: very good blocker, sure, but had some injury issues last

1078
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 3: year and some other issues.

1079
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: But I mean, I think about this Philly game, Pete,

1080
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: and we just talked about the defense and you were

1081
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: bringing up in the last segment how we got pushed

1082
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: around in the defense a little bit where you're playing

1083
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: another big, physical offense line like some without I mean,

1084
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: no Malata, I mean helps, he's the biggest human being

1085
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: in the planet. But I mean they are they are sure,

1086
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: they are thick and physical inside. One of the best

1087
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: right tackles in football and Lane Johnson, and they like

1088
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: to run the ball and they got a quarterback and

1089
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: run it. And this is where, like Pete brought up

1090
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: the fact that Mason Smith was down again this week.

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00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I.

1092
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: Don't know said it nicer than he did, right, And

1093
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 1: I don't know why was it reported why he was down.

1094
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 3: I don't want to say he got on the report

1095
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 3: last week.

1096
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: I thought maybe, but I didn't want to say it

1097
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: because I can't remember exactly he might have.

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00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 6: Been on the report. But I don't think that's why

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00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 6: he was.

1100
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: Down, because I had thought he was going to be up,

1101
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: and I remember getting to the stadium. I was a

1102
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: little surprised that he did.

1103
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 3: Not practice with an ankle injury Friday, first time on

1104
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 3: the report, So I think he got something during the week.

1105
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 6: Pete, Hey, Mason, you got an ankle injury. Make it

1106
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 6: look good.

1107
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: I'm not where I was going with it is you

1108
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: drafted him in the second round to be a contributor

1109
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: this year.

1110
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's usually what second round guys do.

1111
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: He's a big body. He's physical. Like, I'm not saying

1112
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: you expected a bunch of pass rush for him as

1113
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 1: a rookie, but you expected that big body to create

1114
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: some problems in the run game and so I think

1115
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: it does hurt having him down non injury related the

1116
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: first two times he was down at least that's what

1117
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: we were told. This sounds it was like it was

1118
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: an injury on Friday because I thought he was gonna

1119
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: be up. But the bottom line is you're not getting

1120
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: production from a guy that you drafted second round because

1121
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: you say, hey, we need to get bigger inside so

1122
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: he can run the defense that we want to run

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00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: and be physical and stop the run.

1124
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,240
Speaker 6: And well's Ben is getting now played by his former

1125
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 6: teammate who was taking what in the sixth round?

1126
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 3: When was he taken Jordan Jefferson.

1127
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean that's that's a bed.

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00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 6: By the way, I'm not gonna sit here and say

1129
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 6: that I didn't think the kid was gonna be good

1130
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,439
Speaker 6: because I thought the kid's good. I think the kid

1131
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 6: has a ton of talent. I really and he still

1132
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 6: might because well he better you better get it going.

1133
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: No, But I'm just saying, listen, I always think it's now.

1134
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: The expectation is when you get drafted in the first

1135
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: two rounds that you're gonna come in and contribute. That's

1136
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: why you drafted gout. You contribute, can contribute and you're

1137
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: not gonna go save the day, but you're gonna contribute.

1138
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: He's not contributing right now, So that's a loss. That

1139
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he can't be a good.

1140
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 3: Player, correct.

1141
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you can go down the list of guys

1142
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: that have been in this organization since when I was

1143
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: here that got drafted in the first year, You're like, huh,

1144
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: and then they get better and they make like they

1145
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: produce well. Just I mean, just like, I'll just say that, like,

1146
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: was anyone super high in Parker, Washington last year as

1147
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: a rookie.

1148
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 3: Nope, and he got it. He had the knee injury.

1149
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: The first.

1150
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 6: And Strange has gotten better.

1151
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: And okay, just so recent history, we have two guys

1152
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: like Strange the second rounder. You wish you would have

1153
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: got production out of him last year as the second

1154
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: rounder didn't work out. Okay, nothing you can do about that.

1155
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: He has come in this year and the dude is

1156
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: a dog.

1157
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 3: Dog. He is a dog with a.

1158
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: W He blocks, he finishes, he's nasty. He's better in

1159
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: the past game than I think I thought he was

1160
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: gonna be. And like the run after the catch, he's physical,

1161
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: like he brings a different element to the game than

1162
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: a guy like Evan Ingram, who is a move tight

1163
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: end and very good at what he does and very

1164
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: good in the open field. And the catch he made

1165
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: in the end zone, Oh my goodness, what a catch.

1166
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: Great throw too, great and you know and you.

1167
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 6: Know what though, Tony with that position too, he takes

1168
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 6: a little time and I'm just gonna go, look, okay,

1169
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 6: these are the defensive tackles taken in that second round.

1170
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 6: The guy from Atlanta or Uro, whoever you say his name,

1171
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 6: he's not playing much. Newton just got back off injury

1172
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 6: and he's going to be a star for the Commanders.

1173
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,919
Speaker 6: He was taking it in the third pick, number thirty six,

1174
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 6: sweat for the Titans. Big physical body, he's gonna You've

1175
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 6: seen him play. He's a big physical guy. He's starting.

1176
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 6: Braden Fisk has already done a lot of good stuff

1177
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 6: for the Rams and star Warers taking it thirty nine.

1178
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 6: And then you get down and you go, okay, well

1179
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 6: where'd they take Mason Smith at forty eight? And you

1180
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 6: keep going they could have had like Rose and Garton

1181
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 6: who starting to right tackle for I mean, look, the

1182
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 6: fact is you picked him to be a big body

1183
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 6: defensive tackle. Who contribute this year on a good team.

1184
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 6: You didn't think he was not going to contribute on

1185
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 6: a bad team, on a bad defense, and he hasn't.

1186
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 6: And that's the most disappointing part of it right now

1187
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 6: for them.

1188
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: Well, especially when you coming off the heels of a

1189
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: game where you knew you had to stop the run,

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Speaker 1: you knew the quarterback was injured the first half and

1191
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: the second half couldn't throw, and you gave up one

1192
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards rushing to running backs another twenty

1193
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: to the quarterback.

1194
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 3: How about the other interior guys like Ledbetter, Lacey O

1195
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 3: Tobabo was down yesterday.

1196
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: You know, guys, I think you know what they are is.

1197
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: I think they're solid guys. I don't think.

1198
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 6: Their rotational guys.

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Speaker 1: I think their rotational I think that's I think that.

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Speaker 6: That team and that team they're starting the rotational guys.

1201
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 6: But they play a lot because everybody plays a lot,

1202
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 6: because everybody's in the rotation. That's just the way it is.

1203
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: I don't think any of those guys. And then you

1204
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: have Eric Armstead, who's not playing really three technique in

1205
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: base who is a very good three technique at the

1206
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: forty nine ers for his career. Another guy, by the way,

1207
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: he started slow in his career, Pete, did he not?

1208
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look, yeah, you it can happen. Yeah.

1209
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 6: It was very second round Tony with the idea he

1210
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 6: would be an.

1211
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: Immediate I get that. I'm just saying I'm not going

1212
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: to write off Mason Smith. I'm gonna say he's not

1213
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: producing this year like you want him to at a

1214
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: position that you don't have any real standouts.

1215
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 6: I just hope it's remember how they always had the

1216
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 6: curse of the wide receiver for a long time until

1217
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 6: Brian Thomas seems seemingly has broken it. It might be

1218
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 6: the curse of this the Smith name in the second

1219
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 6: round for defensive linemen. You know what that is? Going

1220
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 6: back and I Larry Smith.

1221
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Speaker 1: He was a good rotational player.

1222
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, but he was taking when don't you take it

1223
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 6: in the second round?

1224
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't remember.

1225
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I mean, look, Mason Smith should be playing period.

1226
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 6: Get him on the field.

1227
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: Well, the bottom line is you need I mean you

1228
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: need to now. In fairness, and he was a second

1229
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: round pick.

1230
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 3: Larry Smith in.

1231
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: Fairness though, the curse in the second round Smith in fairness,

1232
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: though this team had been pretty good against the run, yeah, right,

1233
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: until this week. Now the question is are teams just

1234
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: doing what they want to do, like, hey, we're gonna

1235
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: throw it this time, and they throw it all over

1236
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: the art And we had for until the Patriots the

1237
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: worst pass defense you.

1238
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Speaker 6: Got any grand kids on the way, Tony, because they

1239
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 6: wouldn't be the curse of the left tackle Biselli.

1240
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: No, I do not. And then the Packers when we

1241
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: have to stop the run because that's all they're gonna do,

1242
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: especially in the second half, we couldn't stop it. That's

1243
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: the frustrating part. And that's what has to be just

1244
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: driving everyone crazy.

1245
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 6: They don't get off blocks. They don't get off blocks

1246
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 6: when they get and you know, Tony, when a guy

1247
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 6: gets doubled, he's got at least get off of that,

1248
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 6: you know, And they're not getting off of them. And

1249
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 6: when you don't get off of them, you get back

1250
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 6: into the linebackers, and it makes this stuff for the

1251
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 6: linebackers to make the nov Then troump Miller made a

1252
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 6: couple of plays in a run game where he knifed

1253
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 6: around the side and came in and made some plays.

1254
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 6: But it's just when your defensive tackles are going right

1255
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 6: back at the line of scrimmage. You're gonna have problems, right,

1256
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 6: You're gonna have problems stopping the run. It's just hard

1257
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 6: to do. And Green Bay is good at those doubles.

1258
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: Now, they're a good offensive line. But we're getting ready.

1259
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: My point of bringing this up is we're getting ready

1260
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: to play another good offensive line. I don't know about

1261
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: the Vikings. They lost their left tackle for the year.

1262
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:34,919
Speaker 1: But the week after we play the Vikings, you're playing

1263
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: another good offensive line in the in the Detroit Lions.

1264
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 6: And so yes, like there's by the way, the Packers

1265
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 6: center is not very good and nor has he been

1266
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 6: very good. There's talk about replacing him, and they still

1267
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 6: moved him off the ball.

1268
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Speaker 1: And so like this week, good offensive line, the d

1269
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: line's gotta show up. Vikings have no idea.

1270
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 6: That's a hard Troit game, and Detroit.

1271
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: They're gonna come downhill at you. Yep, So you gotta so.

1272
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: And then we're bringing this up is because we have

1273
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: to be better because if you give up one fifty,

1274
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: it's really hard to win.

1275
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 3: Let's come back. We're gonna keep it real because we've

1276
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 3: been faking. We have been faking it for an hour

1277
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 3: and seventeen minutes so far. Election today is just around

1278
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:19,919
Speaker 3: the corner, and we all need to show up big

1279
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 3: for our country. Whether you're voting early by mail or

1280
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 3: in person at the polls November fifth, be sure to

1281
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 3: make a voting game plan. For more resources and info,

1282
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 3: visit NFL dot com slash votes. We'll keep it real

1283
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 3: after this this Jaguars Happy Hour presented by mister Chubby's Wings.

1284
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Speaker 5: It shouldn't have necessarily come to that, But again, it

1285
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 5: just goes back to what I said to right. I mean,

1286
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 5: you never know which two or three plays are going

1287
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 5: to be the ones that decide football games, and you

1288
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 5: just gotta be ready to make the ones that come.

1289
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 8: To you and.

1290
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 5: Credit them, you know, they hit it and got in

1291
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 5: a position to win a game.

1292
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 3: Has Doug Peterson after the game yesterday on the big

1293
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 3: pass play that set up the game winning field goals

1294
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 3: time expired the Packers over the Jaguars thirty to twenty seven,

1295
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 3: and this is Jaguars Happy Hour. JP Shadwick with Hall

1296
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 3: of Fame left tackle Tony Boselli and CBS Sports senior

1297
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 3: writer Pete Prisco plenty to discuss just today, but for

1298
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 3: an hour and twenty one minutes we've been faking it.

1299
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Speaker 1: It is time to keep it real. Presented by nobody.

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Speaker 1: Why do we still do this segment if it's not

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Speaker 1: created by it's not sponsored by anyone, because we always

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Speaker 1: kind of keep it real because it's awesome. Okay, good,

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Speaker 1: good like it.

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Speaker 3: The tral I need trade deadline is Tuesday, November fifth,

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Speaker 3: not tomorrow, a week from tomorrow. It's also election day.

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Speaker 3: A lot going on, a lot going on, busy. Should

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Speaker 3: the Jaguars be active or will the Philly game result

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Speaker 3: give you the answer one way or another? Be active

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Speaker 3: in sellers being selling else?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think you're you're not buyers at two

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Speaker 1: and six. Hell though, I don't think your buyers at

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Speaker 1: three and six, doude.

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Speaker 6: I mean, if the Chiefs called you on Cam Robinson

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Speaker 6: and they need a left tackle in the worst way,

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Speaker 6: what would it take to get them from you?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's another conversation we haven't touched yet. Is the

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Speaker 3: offensive line and the left tackle yesterday?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we can talk about that in a second. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: let's say that, let's pick a team that needs a

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Speaker 1: left tackle. Pete the Chiefs, well did the kid get hurt,

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Speaker 1: their draft pick.

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Speaker 6: He's been benched. They play, they're playing the attention and

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Speaker 6: he has about sixty two holding penalties a game. And

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Speaker 6: he's awful. And by the way, Jawan Taylor and very

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Speaker 6: good either.

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Speaker 1: So with Cam and Jawan Taylor as their tackle chiefs,

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Speaker 1: or let's say the Vikings who because Derrishaw got.

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Speaker 6: Hurt, right and their backups are quizzing Berry and a

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Speaker 6: young kid.

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Speaker 1: So well, here's the here's what we know about Cam.

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Speaker 1: Cam cleared the protocol. He did and did not start.

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Speaker 1: He did not play, did not play, did not start,

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Speaker 1: not start. He's been the start of the tackle since

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 6: That's right. I met he was engaged on the sideline

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Speaker 6: and helping the guy who's playing.

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Speaker 1: Right watching from the booth. So I'm going to just

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Speaker 1: say what I saw publicly because it's all I know.

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Speaker 1: It did not look like it to me.

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Speaker 3: J I was in the building right here across the street,

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Speaker 3: so I do not know. And they didn't show him

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Speaker 3: on TV.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just watching it, you know, typically you would see

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Speaker 1: a guy very engaged. Is that like typically what happens

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Speaker 1: in the NFL? Got the backups go stand around the

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Speaker 1: coach when they're talking to the starters, because I'd be

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Speaker 1: ready to go and Cam did not. Just from the booth, again,

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Speaker 1: I have no idea what the conversation was. Maybe he

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Speaker 1: was told this I have I just watching. It seemed

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Speaker 1: odd that he was not engaged with the other offensive

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Speaker 1: alignment when the coach was sitting there going through stuff,

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Speaker 1: because if Walker little would have got hurt or Anton

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Speaker 1: Harrison would have got hurt. He was the third tackle

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Speaker 1: because there was no other tack They didn't have anyone

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Speaker 1: else up playing tackle. The three guys that were up

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Speaker 1: in his backups was Fortner Cooper Hodges who had to

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Speaker 1: go in and play a little bit of right guard

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Speaker 1: and left guard, and then Cam was the swing tackle.

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Speaker 1: And he just didn't see it. Just body language. Watching

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Speaker 1: from the booth, he didn't see him engaged. Take that

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Speaker 1: for what it's worth, because who knows what he was told.

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Speaker 1: But the way that you know what you know. He

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Speaker 1: was healthy. He was cleared the play and they went

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Speaker 1: with Walker little which Walker.

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Speaker 6: Little bit didn't play, didn't play very well.

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Speaker 1: So he's coming off a very good game where both

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Speaker 1: Pete and I thought he was the best offensive lineman

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Speaker 1: on the field. I still thought he ran blocked pretty well.

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Speaker 6: Pete, Yeah he was. He was good in the run game.

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Speaker 1: I thought he's He had a couple few pass protections

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Speaker 1: where he got beat really quick and created pressure and

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Speaker 1: hits on Trevor.

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Speaker 6: So guy came underneath him a couple of Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He got he had, he had. He got beat on

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Speaker 1: the inside move a couple of times. He got beat

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Speaker 1: over the top one time, so to say.

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Speaker 6: And Doug was asked about it today. I saw it.

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Speaker 6: He said, they're evaluating it. Right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he would not he would not put the starter

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Speaker 3: out there for this week at left tackle. Yet he

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Speaker 3: did not put anybody's name. We're going to see how

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Speaker 3: the week goes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So question, if you traded Cam Robinson, who would your

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Speaker 6: third tackle be?

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Speaker 1: What gosh, I need the Ross draft pick? No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: it's uh give me seven. Thank you for seven cold

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Speaker 1: Land who had a very good preseason. He'd beat her swing.

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Speaker 1: So here's a question, is well, because here's the thing,

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Speaker 1: I don't think Cam, Like this is Cam's last year

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Speaker 1: in his contract.

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Speaker 3: Too, He's not coming back.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's coming back regardless.

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Speaker 6: Of course not because why not get.

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Speaker 1: Some that's my point. So, like, if you know the

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Speaker 1: fact the season hasn't gone the way you wanted it

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Speaker 1: to and whatever happens Sunday happened. If someone calls and says,

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Speaker 1: we'll give you a mid round pick, I think you.

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Speaker 3: Do it because what's he going to you?

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Speaker 6: If you lose something? You could get compensatory pick for

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Speaker 6: him too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think I think it has to be

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Speaker 1: a third round or higher because you're gonna get a

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Speaker 1: third round compensitory pick from it for.

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Speaker 6: You sign a bunch of guys. Huh. If you don't

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Speaker 6: sign a bunch of guys, you know how that works.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little bit like and maybe you know

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Speaker 1: better than I do, but that whole compensatory is formula.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit of like advanced algebra or calculus

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Speaker 1: that you got to figure out.

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Speaker 3: And nobody knows it really.

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Speaker 6: Okay, So if you could get if you could get

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Speaker 6: a four for cam Robinson, would you do it?

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Speaker 1: I would want to understand the math of what, because

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Speaker 1: what is it? What what do I have to do

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Speaker 1: to get a third in the off season for losing them?

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Speaker 1: And based on that then I wanted three or four

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Speaker 1: or for him.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, So I mean, and if you're the Chiefs

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Speaker 6: and your left tackle has been a Grade A disaster

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Speaker 6: much like it was a year ago, and the reason

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Speaker 6: you can't throw the ball down the field consist is

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Speaker 6: because he can't stand in there and take the time

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Speaker 6: to do it, don't you make a move to go

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Speaker 6: fix that? Is doing that?

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Speaker 3: Is Cam fixing that?

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Speaker 6: Though?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Cam like, yes, fit, Cam's much better than yeah,

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Speaker 1: Cam's like Cam's a good passwalker. I'm not saying he's,

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Speaker 1: you know, all pro or he's a good pass balker.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He he improves that offensive line the moment he gets

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Speaker 1: there without a doubt, without a doubt.

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Speaker 3: And he costs what his base salary is sixteen point

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Speaker 3: two whatever is left.

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Speaker 6: On that got to pay half of it.

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Speaker 1: And but what's the cap situation for the Chiefs? Can

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Speaker 1: they make it work?

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Speaker 6: All they have to do is Fit in the rest

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Speaker 6: of his season.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just saying they fIF eight million.

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Speaker 6: In the in the k today, Josh, they can make

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Speaker 6: it work.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's that's one. Who else would be

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Speaker 1: a trade possibility on this roster.

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Speaker 6: Would have been? I think Kirk would have been if

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Speaker 6: he had been healthy.

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Speaker 1: Well that's off the table because he's out for the year.

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Speaker 1: What about Uh, the way Bigsby's playing, is he ten

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Speaker 1: a candidate.

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Speaker 6: For a I'd listen, Yeah, I'd listen. The problem is

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Speaker 6: what teams need running backs? Okay, I'll give you one

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Speaker 6: Dallas Cowboys. But are they in a position to go

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Speaker 6: make a move?

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Speaker 1: Are they buyers where they sit right now at three

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Speaker 1: and four?

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Speaker 6: So who's who's a buyer that needs a running back?

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Speaker 1: And the one thing that if whoever trades for Etn

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Speaker 1: because we took his fifth year, so that fifth year

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Speaker 1: number is what eight or nine million next year?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: For him? So think about that. How about like defensive backs, safeties, Cisco,

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Speaker 3: any of those guys last year guys, he's the last

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Speaker 3: year of his deal.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but who what are you gonna trade? He might

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Speaker 6: be sitting on the bench in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 6: You're gonna trade for him?

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Speaker 3: I'm just asking a question.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if there's a market.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a market. Okay, maybe, I

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Speaker 1: mean listen, this is why the person asked this question

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Speaker 1: to is Trent. I mean Trent is This is what

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Speaker 1: Trent and his team do do all day every day,

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Speaker 1: so you know, Pete probably knows, you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: what's out there, who needs what at a high level.

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Speaker 1: But this is what like, this is why the GM

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Speaker 1: got Trent and the rest of the personnel staff. They

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01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 1: understand what teams need, where their gaps are, what we have,

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Speaker 1: and if they're going to trade, then you try to

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Speaker 1: master the trade. So you know, outside the obvious one

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Speaker 1: being Cam, because we have a left tackle who I

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Speaker 1: think is probably a better run blocker than Cam, not

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Speaker 1: as good as pass blocker, who knows if he's going

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Speaker 1: to be back. Both are free agents after this year.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the planet tackle is next year

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Speaker 1: at this point. I'm sure no one's thinking about that

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Speaker 1: because no one planned on being two and six either.

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Speaker 1: So I think this is where you got to evaluate

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Speaker 1: and and do the math of the compensatory pick and

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Speaker 1: what's available, and this is like, this is what you know, Trent.

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you is fully informed and understands what teams

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Speaker 1: need and don't need and and kind of what we

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Speaker 1: can get. So we'll see.

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Speaker 3: What he does if they don't make a move for anybody,

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Speaker 3: If anybody, everybody's still here. Who should start at left

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Speaker 3: tackle the rest of the year depends how you want

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Speaker 3: to play football.

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Speaker 1: If you want to be a run first, play action

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Speaker 1: pass team, then I think you probably go with Walker little.

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Speaker 1: If you're going to drop back more in playing this

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Speaker 1: situation like that, then you go with Cam. Now, the

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Speaker 1: thing about Cam, it's not that Cam can't run block.

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01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 1: I just think Walker is a better finisher and gets

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01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 1: to the next level. Kim gets well, that's my point,

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01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: So maybe Cam. Maybe this is like, hey, Cam, like,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna make you the starter because you're the better

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01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 1: pass blocker. But to stay the starter, we need to

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01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: see this type of finish the game because I think

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01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 1: he's more than I think he's more than capable of that.

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01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 1: And if I'm Cams like, okay, because.

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Speaker 6: I know that my money, I'm in my money here.

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Speaker 1: This was a big money.

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Speaker 6: Give me the next nine games, ten games to go

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01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 6: show people what I could do as a complete left tack.

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01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 6: That's right, and it's crazy. It's crazy for him. And

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Speaker 6: that's why if I'm Cam, I'm telling him I want

1517
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:47,600
Speaker 6: to be trade. I want out. I want to go

1518
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 6: to Kansas City, I want to go to Minnesota. I

1519
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 6: want to go somewhere.

1520
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might guess it's it's gonna be very like.

1521
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 1: That's the one guy that I think could get very

1522
01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: interesting around the trade deadline because you have Walker Little

1523
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 1: and the fact that you know come clear to the play.

1524
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 1: They made a decision not to go with camig h

1525
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:14,680
Speaker 1: And I guarantee you he's probably not happy, is my

1526
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 1: guests knowing players. I don't have not talked to Cam,

1527
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 1: so I would be happy. If this is me projecting.

1528
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 3: He came in the open locker room today with like

1529
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 3: a minute to go, so we didn't get a chance

1530
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 3: to talk.

1531
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 1: So he probably doesn't want to talk to the media.

1532
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 1: I probably don't talk to anybody except for his agent,

1533
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 1: is my guess. And that because that's how these things go.

1534
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 1: It's not just here, it's everywhere. And so it's up

1535
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 1: to Trent and Doug to get together and what do

1536
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 1: you want to do at left tackle? And how do

1537
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 1: we want to finish the season at left tackle? And

1538
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 1: if it's going to be Walker Little, then you should

1539
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 1: trade them.

1540
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 6: But you're You've made a good point, though Tony about that. Okay,

1541
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 6: let's just say they finished with Walker Little. He might

1542
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 6: not be here next year. No, it ain't like they're

1543
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 6: overflowing in cap room and their CAP's not great.

1544
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 1: I mean, and you got to put a value like

1545
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: the left they gotta find.

1546
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 6: Okay, let's just play this forward. He might not be

1547
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 6: there sure if you have no idea how long he's

1548
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 6: gonna play. He could walk away at any second. The

1549
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 6: guy seems to get hurt and break down. He's you

1550
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 6: know what I mean, He's done a pretty solid job

1551
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 6: this year. I'm gonna give his credit because he's been

1552
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 6: better than I thought he would be. The center's not

1553
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 6: a kid anymore. I mean, you got age creeping up

1554
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 6: on that thing. You got uncertainty and contracts on a

1555
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 6: group that's the most like we always say, it's the

1556
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 6: most important position on the team other than.

1557
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 1: Quarterback, which goes back to why I like and again,

1558
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: I don't study it. I don't heard this a lot.

1559
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 1: I don't know what's coming. I don't study the draft.

1560
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm an expert, because it's not my

1561
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 1: job to do it. But I've watched enough football and

1562
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 1: played enough football to know that if you don't have

1563
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 1: an offensive line, you don't have anything in the offensive line.

1564
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 1: And I'm a firm believer in this sets the tone

1565
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 1: for what type of team you are. The toughness of

1566
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 1: that group sets the standard of the toughness across the board.

1567
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,680
Speaker 1: That's just how football works every team I've ever been on,

1568
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 1: And so Pete's right, you have a lot of questions

1569
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 1: because of the contract situation and the age of this

1570
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 1: offensive line. And the one thing I'll say about Brandon

1571
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 1: Sheriff because I thought, you know, I thought that was

1572
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 1: a position that they would look at just because of

1573
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 1: his age and some of the injuries. And he's a warrior,

1574
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 1: and as you get older and injuries pile up, it's

1575
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 1: it's tough. But I'll give that guy his due. At

1576
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:39,719
Speaker 1: two and five, get your knee rolled up on feeling

1577
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 1: like you know what down ten when nobody would have

1578
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 1: questioned you if you said, you know what, my knee's

1579
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 1: not right, And that dude like was hell bent even

1580
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 1: right away, even when they put Cooper Hodges to finish

1581
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 1: I think to finish the half, I'm not mistaken. Brandon

1582
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: Sheriff was helmet on next to Phil Rauscher like and

1583
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 1: I know how that conversation is, like put me in

1584
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 1: because and I loved it. And I said it on

1585
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:13,839
Speaker 1: the air, I said, I give that dude so much credit,

1586
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 1: so much respect for him. Like I can question miss

1587
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: blocks and like you know, pad level and every technique

1588
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 1: and everything else like that. Like that's like every guy

1589
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 1: gets critiqued like I did. Everyone does. But the one

1590
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 1: thing I will never question about Brandon Sheriff is his

1591
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 1: toughness and his want to That's that's the type of

1592
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 1: guys that you want. And that's why, like even like

1593
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 1: when Pete and I debate, is like it was that

1594
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 1: the right decision at right tackle and everything else so

1595
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 1: on and so forth, I mean, right guard. I can

1596
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 1: see why they said, listen, we want that dude in

1597
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 1: the room because he brings a mental and physical toughness

1598
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 1: that we need. And it's hard to get rid of

1599
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 1: those guys because they bring something that someone maybe younger, stronger,

1600
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 1: more explosive, just does not have. And it'll be interesting

1601
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,640
Speaker 1: to see what they do across the line as we

1602
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 1: kind of go into the second half of the season.

1603
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 6: If they go, if they go into the draft next year,

1604
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 6: it should be big, big, big on either side of

1605
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 6: the boll.

1606
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 1: We're not talking draft, we're not talking draft.

1607
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 6: Ting well, we're talking about un loaded guys, so we

1608
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 6: can talk about replenishing big, big Big. There's only so

1609
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,639
Speaker 6: many big people on the planet who can play this game.

1610
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:25,839
Speaker 3: Who told you that, Pete?

1611
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,640
Speaker 6: You always say it, but I've said it before. You

1612
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 6: were in your you were you were in the womb

1613
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 6: when I used.

1614
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:35,680
Speaker 3: To because you're the senior writer for CBS Sports, and

1615
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 3: that was Keeping it Real presented by Nobody. We'll come

1616
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:44,400
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Speaker 9: I's a disappointment turned the ball over there, backed up

1619
01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 9: and giving them an easy touchdown pretty much. Uh, definitely

1620
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 9: affected the game. So that's disappointing. I thought, you know,

1621
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:04,799
Speaker 9: honestly thought I was gonna break the tackle and scramble,

1622
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 9: so I kind of moved it to the other hand

1623
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 9: to get out of the so I could use my

1624
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 9: offhand try to get him off me. And you know,

1625
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 9: he made a good play and made the tackle and

1626
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 9: somehow I don't know what hit the ball. Something hit

1627
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 9: the ball and just got to take care of it,

1628
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 9: you know, in that situation, even if I, you know,

1629
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 9: throw it away or check it down and we don't

1630
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 9: get in. We punt that's still better and puts our

1631
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 9: defense in a position where they can get a stop

1632
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 9: and prevent them from scoring. So I didn't didn't help

1633
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 9: them out there.

1634
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 3: Quarterback Trevor Lawrence, of course, after the game, discussing his

1635
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:38,080
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1638
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 3: CBS Sports Senior writer Pete Prisco. Time now for the

1639
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:50,639
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Speaker 3: thing we put the cat signal out on X. Here's

1643
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Speaker 3: the best we've come up with today that Jacob Brinhart too.

1644
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 3: Is Josh Haynes Allen's lack of production due to effort

1645
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 3: or is he slower due to bulking up over the offseason.

1646
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 1: I don't see any effort issues from Josh Heinz Allen

1647
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: at all. And here's the thing, Pete, I was a

1648
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 1: kid watching this week. He's getting pressure, but it's like

1649
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 1: he's just like a half step late.

1650
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 6: I say late.

1651
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's right there and he's he's pushing the tackle

1652
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 1: into the lap of the quarterback. He gets that he's

1653
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 1: just about to hit him. The ball gets thrown like

1654
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 1: he's just not like, So is that a combination?

1655
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 6: Is that.

1656
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:47,640
Speaker 1: Coverage and not forcing the quarterback.

1657
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:48,639
Speaker 3: To hold the ball at times?

1658
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 1: Is it him? Is he He's definitely bigger, He's definitely

1659
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 1: bulked up. He said that. I mean both of those, Yeah,

1660
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 1: both him and tray Vaughn. And I don't know if

1661
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 1: that came from the coaching staff or who told him

1662
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 1: to do that. I mean, my guess is it came

1663
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 1: from the coaching staff and that they both did it.

1664
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 6: Unless he's got thirty according to I saw something here,

1665
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 6: he's got thirty two pressures on the season.

1666
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 1: And only two and a half sacks. Or did he

1667
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 1: get a half sack?

1668
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:17,679
Speaker 3: He got a half sack.

1669
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 1: Yes, so he has three sacks now and Trayvon has

1670
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 1: six and a half.

1671
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 6: Is that what he's credited for? Thirty two? Because that's

1672
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 6: when you look at that, that's not that bad.

1673
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 1: Actually, no, that's what I'm saying, Like when I watched

1674
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 1: the tape, like I think both him and Trayvon do

1675
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 1: a good job against the run.

1676
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 6: They're really good football They're really good football players, both

1677
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 6: of them. And they're not dynamic as pass rusher.

1678
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 1: And they're both power rushers. Right, it looks like to

1679
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: me Josh has gone more power this year, and maybe

1680
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:51,719
Speaker 1: that's because of the size. I'm gonna ask him that actually,

1681
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 1: next time I see.

1682
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 6: Him, how much bigger is he? Because I remember I

1683
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 6: talked to him in the training camp. He said he

1684
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 6: was like about ten twelve pounds. I think he's made.

1685
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 1: I think he's fifteen. I think I think he was

1686
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 1: like two eighty five. Yeah, yeah, where I think last

1687
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 1: year is two seventy if I'm not mistaken. I mean

1688
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 1: I think that's about sounds right.

1689
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 6: Here's the here's the problem. Both of them are really

1690
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 6: good ends. They're both kind of power ends, so they're

1691
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 6: the same kind of guy. But here's the other thing.

1692
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 6: If you had a twitchy third down edge rusher, then

1693
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 6: you could slide one of them inside to rush on

1694
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 6: third down and put that twitchy edge rusher on the outside.

1695
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 6: They don't have that.

1696
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 1: Nope, I think I agree with you, and so I

1697
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 1: think he's playing good football. He's getting pressures. He's the

1698
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 1: sacks are not coming. Hopefully they'll start stacking up here.

1699
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: You know, usually you see guys who get a lot

1700
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 1: of pressures, sooner or later the sacks come. But it's

1701
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 1: not I do not see an effort issue.

1702
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 6: No, not at all. With Josh Tony ideal scenario, third

1703
01:24:54,479 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 6: and long, one of them is playing and Armstead's playing inside,

1704
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 6: Walker's playing inside or Allen, whichever one, and then you

1705
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 6: have the twitchy edge rusher. It comes in on third

1706
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 6: down or whatever. That's your ideal scenario right there.

1707
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 1: Well, you gotta find that guy Pete. He's not on

1708
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 1: the he's not on the roster, all right. Next question,

1709
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:16,679
Speaker 1: let's get through a few of these.

1710
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,600
Speaker 3: Is Brian Thomas Junior being underutilized? It probably isn't a

1711
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 3: corner in the league that can catch him. So why

1712
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 3: aren't we taking more shots downfield?

1713
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 6: Good question?

1714
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's okay, but you also have

1715
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:27,640
Speaker 1: to kind of take what the defense is getting you.

1716
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you can take away a speedster her by

1717
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 1: putting people over the top. I'm not saying like I'm

1718
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,680
Speaker 1: not saying it's not a fair question. I would love

1719
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 1: to see two or three shots again back off to

1720
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 1: uh Brian Thomas Jr. Now here's what we don't know

1721
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 1: because you watch the tape as well. It takes two

1722
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 1: to tango or it takes three to tank. In this case,

1723
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 1: it takes the coach calling it. It takes Brian Thomas

1724
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 1: Junior righting the right route, and then it takes the

1725
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 1: quarterback extra throwing it when the shots called. And so

1726
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:05,600
Speaker 1: sometimes shots could be called and Trevor doesn't like to

1727
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 1: look and takes the underneath route and that's fine. I'm like,

1728
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 1: so just be like, I would like to see more

1729
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 1: shots downfield because I think it's gonna work out better

1730
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 1: for us than the other team more times than not.

1731
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I also, you got to

1732
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:28,560
Speaker 1: be careful to start trying to force things to guys.

1733
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:30,640
Speaker 6: But run them, don't. You don't need to force it

1734
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 6: to them, but you run them.

1735
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1736
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 1: I think that's right, Pete. I agree with you. Yeah,

1737
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 1: that's a good way to say it.

1738
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 3: Next question at PW three, why does Trevor Lawrence have

1739
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 3: to play perfect for the Jags to win close games?

1740
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 1: I disagree with that question perfect, Like, if you want

1741
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 1: to be just call call it what it is. Trevor Lawrence.

1742
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:55,600
Speaker 1: Turnovers led to fourteen points to the opponent. Theoretically, you

1743
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 1: take those two plays out, you win the football game.

1744
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 1: So I don't think he has play perfect.

1745
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 6: Well, I think he don't know if he's going to

1746
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 6: rally in the fourth quarter either.

1747
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 3: But I'm missing.

1748
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 6: You're right, you can't. He can't turn the ball over.

1749
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 6: You can't turn it over.

1750
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 1: It's nothing. He's to play perfect. He can't play You

1751
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 1: can't make big mistakes like that. And now it's not

1752
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 1: all on him. I mean those plays are sack.

1753
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,600
Speaker 6: The sack fumble was on him, on him.

1754
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:23,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, But like everyone needs to do their.

1755
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 6: Job, Like when he mentioned in that clip that you

1756
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 6: played the checkdown, he had them, he just didn't get

1757
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 6: first down, so he held off on it to try

1758
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:34,799
Speaker 6: and get to the next level. And then what happened

1759
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 6: on the next level behind that was two guys were

1760
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 6: standing together, so there were two defenders right there. He

1761
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:42,720
Speaker 6: couldn't throw it. So but he's got to take that

1762
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 6: check down and punt, like he said.

1763
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think sometimes punt's a good play, and

1764
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 1: players you forget that. You try to force things, and

1765
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 1: usually when you force things, mistakes happen.

1766
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 3: Well, last question that Jay Fix eighty eight. Where do

1767
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 3: the Jaguars go from here? They go to Philly. It's

1768
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 3: on SAT and they play there Sunday and then we'll

1769
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 3: come home afterwards. I mean, that's where they go.

1770
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:09,760
Speaker 1: I mean, and now I know what the question is

1771
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:13,599
Speaker 1: referring to is like, how do they fix this? There's

1772
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 1: no magical fix. The guys are the guys you have.

1773
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 1: You're not gonna go find a bunch of guys sitting

1774
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:20,599
Speaker 1: on the street. You're not gonna do a bunch of trade.

1775
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:22,719
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be a buyer at the trade deadline

1776
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 1: in my opinion. And so it's the guys you have

1777
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 1: executing better. It's the coaches preparing them better, it's the

1778
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 1: trainers taping ankles better. It's you know, it's everyone just

1779
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 1: doing their job better and executing. And I think what

1780
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:42,720
Speaker 1: Doug said it well on an earlier clip is like

1781
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 1: everyone just do your job. If everyone does their job,

1782
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 1: good things will typically happen.

1783
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:50,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, but sometimes there's a lack of talent too. And

1784
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 6: sometimes I'm not saying something you can't scheme around it.

1785
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 6: You can't sure, you just can't. It's just a lack

1786
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 6: of talent sometimes no.

1787
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:59,559
Speaker 1: But even if there's a lack of talent, Pete, you

1788
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 1: would agree. The only thing you can do is do

1789
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 1: your job.

1790
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 6: Right, do your job, work as hard as you possibly can,

1791
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 6: and let the helka huh they started me into the lineup.

1792
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 6: I'm gonna work as hard as I can and do

1793
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 6: my job and I ain't gonna work.

1794
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:18,679
Speaker 1: But the question is where do they go from here?

1795
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 1: Now there's like Philadelphia, but beyond that, there's no one

1796
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna add.

1797
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 6: No, hell no, that's gonna change it.

1798
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:29,599
Speaker 1: So you have to take the guys you have on

1799
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 1: this roster and how the roster was built, because the

1800
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:36,520
Speaker 1: building of the roster is done in the off season obviously,

1801
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 1: not that you can't trade during the season and get

1802
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 1: peace here or there if you're in that position, which

1803
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 1: I don't think we are. And then once that's done,

1804
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 1: and it's everyone do their job to the best of

1805
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 1: their ability and let's see what happens. Like first things first,

1806
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 1: don't beat yourself. So if we would just start by

1807
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 1: not beating ourselves, pre step penalty, silly turnover, silly mistakes,

1808
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 1: miss assignments, blown coverages, blowing, balking, assignments, whatever you wanna call,

1809
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:09,520
Speaker 1: just menoairs. So start there. If you don't beat yourself,

1810
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:14,760
Speaker 1: now you're starting to ground zero. Now just do your job.

1811
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:17,080
Speaker 1: And more times than not in this league, if you

1812
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 1: don't beat yourself, you're gonna have a chance in the

1813
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 1: fourth quarter to win. All Right, you have a fanatics

1814
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 1: fan questions are in. We're back with a look around

1815
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 1: the National Football League and week number eight. It's Jaguars

1816
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 1: Happy Hour presented by mister Chubby's Wings.

1817
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 3: Welcome back.

1818
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:42,679
Speaker 1: It's Jaguars Happy Hour.

1819
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:45,719
Speaker 3: Presented by mister Chubby's Wings from the Hyundai Studios JP

1820
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 3: Shadwick with Tony Boselli. Pet Prisco's here too. He's down

1821
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 3: in South Florida toell you all right, Tony, Yeah, I'm good.

1822
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. We need to see you

1823
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 3: if your switches turned on.

1824
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 1: No, I'm rocking and rolling today, excited to be here.

1825
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:02,519
Speaker 1: I wish we were six and two, not two and six,

1826
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 1: but that's the that's the cards we've been dealt. And uh,

1827
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 1: by the way, I just.

1828
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 6: One quick thing. I looked at the game book. Chad,

1829
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 6: moveman and get one defensive snap yesterday? Weird, not one?

1830
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 1: What do you think the best Pete, Let's let's just

1831
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:24,440
Speaker 1: cut to the chase. What do you think the best?

1832
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 1: What's the best linebacker combination? Because they played a lot.

1833
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 1: First of all, they played almost Nickel, they played.

1834
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:34,600
Speaker 6: Miller, and.

1835
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:42,520
Speaker 1: Then who's the Sam Lloyd, Yeah, that's you, and I

1836
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 1: I think Miller and Lukan inside Mike will whatever combination

1837
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 1: you wanted to do. And then I think Devin Lloyd

1838
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 1: is a natural Sam. Like I think he's a guy

1839
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 1: you can play under with. He can stack the linebacker,

1840
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 1: he's got length, he's got size, he's pretty good in

1841
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:02,920
Speaker 1: the run game, and he's pretty good in the run game.

1842
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that is your best combination. And

1843
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 1: I would every snap I would have uh Ventro, Miller

1844
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 1: and Lucan out there, and then and bass personnel. I'm

1845
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 1: bringing Devin Lloyd playing Sam.

1846
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 6: That's how and then and then and then the DB's

1847
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:25,960
Speaker 6: for me would be Brown, Montark Brown and and Campbell,

1848
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:27,680
Speaker 6: who's by the way, he's played well, he played well, Yes,

1849
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 6: played well?

1850
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:34,600
Speaker 1: Yes, Campbell, Brown, Jerry and Jones is your.

1851
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:39,560
Speaker 6: Nickel Savage and and whoever comes well Winger when he

1852
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 6: comes back or somebody when he comes back.

1853
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 1: Downed to Gibson.

1854
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 3: Did he not still get cleared?

1855
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:51,760
Speaker 1: I thought it was a six game suspension.

1856
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 3: What happened?

1857
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:56,040
Speaker 6: I means it must be something else cooking. But if

1858
01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 6: if if somebody is healthy, you might you might might

1859
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:02,880
Speaker 6: take it change there too. I mean, Cisco hasn't been good.

1860
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 6: There's been moments where he's made some plays, but I

1861
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 6: think for the most part he's been a disappointment as well.

1862
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 6: I mean, think about that. That means that if you

1863
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 6: made that move, say Winger comes back and he takes over.

1864
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 6: If you make that move, you're starting safeties to open

1865
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 6: the season.

1866
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:25,320
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1867
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:28,479
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1868
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:30,719
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1869
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1870
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 3: the available inventory and go Jaggs. Let's go around the

1871
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:40,200
Speaker 3: National Football leagu quickly. We've got about five four or

1872
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 3: four and a half minutes to go. Here. Eagles over

1873
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:46,879
Speaker 3: the Bengals. They've won three state now thirty seven to seventeen.

1874
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 3: Jamis Winston leads up Browns to a win over the Ravens,

1875
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 3: and they scored points.

1876
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:56,799
Speaker 6: Ravens have defensive issues.

1877
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:59,599
Speaker 1: By the way, Shawn Watson was the issue.

1878
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 6: Pete Oh, he was clearly the issue, but the Ravens

1879
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 6: also have given up a lot of big plays and

1880
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 6: a lot of points. This year.

1881
01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 3: Lions Titans were tied fourteen fourteen. Lions won at fifty

1882
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:13,160
Speaker 3: two to fourteen. They're good, well, they're good, but I

1883
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:13,599
Speaker 3: mean the.

1884
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 6: Tomes a twenty five yards are less. Think about that.

1885
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:19,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like they had great field position, starting field position,

1886
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:22,880
Speaker 1: putt return for a touchdown, and their big punt return.

1887
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 1: They had multiple turnovers, so it was it was one

1888
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 1: of those games that the Titans are the inferior team,

1889
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 1: but they also gifted the Lions a bunch of points.

1890
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:35,400
Speaker 3: TUA can't get the Dolphins over the top. Twenty eight

1891
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 3: twenty seven loss to the Cardinals. Patriots knocked off the Jets,

1892
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:42,080
Speaker 3: who are continuing to reel the Falcons over the Bucks

1893
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 3: thirty one twenty six. Chargers beat the Saints twenty six

1894
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:46,680
Speaker 3: to eight.

1895
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:48,920
Speaker 1: What happened to New Orleans all of a sudden, Well,

1896
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:49,479
Speaker 1: you know it's fun.

1897
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:51,720
Speaker 6: I mean, I been decimated by injuries. They haven't had

1898
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 6: their quarterback. They've had so many guys go down. No,

1899
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 6: Shaquille the receiver went down. Shaheed went down. You know,

1900
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:01,599
Speaker 6: a lave's back, but he went down. The line's a mess.

1901
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:02,639
Speaker 6: They have so many injuries.

1902
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 1: But I'll give Pete credit because I remember us talking

1903
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 1: about at the bed of the Aar and Pete said,

1904
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 1: the Saints are old, and I don't think they're very good.

1905
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 1: And then they went to and oh, I was giving

1906
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:14,800
Speaker 1: a hard time, like Pee, you don't know you're talking

1907
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 1: about it. And then they have not won a game since.

1908
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 3: So two and six, Bill's thirty one ten over the Seahawks,

1909
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 3: the Broncos beat the Panthers, the Chiefs beat the Raiders

1910
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,720
Speaker 3: twenty seven to twenty. They're still undefeated. And then the

1911
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:31,920
Speaker 3: hail mary the Commanders over the Bears. Oh my, that

1912
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 3: was crazy to play the Bill's defensive the stands and

1913
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:37,360
Speaker 3: then he tips the ball of the guy.

1914
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 6: Well not just that though, to play before they played

1915
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 6: it like a hail mary and let him get fifteen

1916
01:35:43,240 --> 01:35:45,200
Speaker 6: more yards to be able to throw a hail mary,

1917
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:48,640
Speaker 6: which was stupid. And then they had three timeouts. It

1918
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:51,880
Speaker 6: didn't call time out to get big tall. You know

1919
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 6: how sometimes you put a tall receiver like one of

1920
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:56,720
Speaker 6: your receivers back there. They didn't do that either. And

1921
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:59,759
Speaker 6: then the defensive back is they should have had somebody.

1922
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:01,840
Speaker 6: Always have somebody in the back boxing out.

1923
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I was what I read is

1924
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 1: his job was to box out. He was taunting the fans.

1925
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:11,680
Speaker 1: But I'll even go back further the fact that the

1926
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:16,360
Speaker 1: Bears called they play a fullback dive to the center.

1927
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, you have a rookie quarterback and you're

1928
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 1: gonna hand off on a dive play to a guy

1929
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:27,080
Speaker 1: who does not handle the ball. That seems like a

1930
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:30,120
Speaker 1: bad idea Monday Night Football.

1931
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 3: The Giants too and five pitch quarterback Daniel Jones last week.

1932
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:35,599
Speaker 3: They've scored ten points over the last two games. They'll

1933
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:38,640
Speaker 3: face the five and two Pittsburgh Steelers. They changed quarterbacks

1934
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 3: last week. Russell Wilson is in who you Got at

1935
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:43,160
Speaker 3: the Confluence and Bonus Points?

1936
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 1: Have either can name the three rivers? I know them

1937
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 1: if they were. One's the Ohio Bigger correct, Alleghany's the

1938
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:50,479
Speaker 1: other one.

1939
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 6: Callsquehanna correct, So I knew too for two?

1940
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 1: Who's winning the game?

1941
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:01,479
Speaker 6: We got up a game?

1942
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:03,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, you said Susquehanna. That's incorrect.

1943
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 1: Who's winning the game. So here's one thing. Last week, JP,

1944
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 1: you weren't here, Pete. There was two money in night games, Pete,

1945
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:10,639
Speaker 1: and I got both of them wrong.

1946
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:14,600
Speaker 6: I'm going with the Steelers. Daniel Jones is one in

1947
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:16,600
Speaker 6: fourteen in Prive Domes Steelers.

1948
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 1: Oh all right, you have it. The picks are in.

1949
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:23,559
Speaker 3: The show is done, Pete Prisco, Tony Basselli, I'm JP Shaddick.

1950
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 3: Thanks to our entire crew, David, Joe, Joe Fortunato, Brent

1951
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:29,120
Speaker 3: Reaver for everyone, Thank you for listening.

1952
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 1: It's Jaguars Happy Hour.