WEBVTT - Help Us find Missing People with Elizabeth Smart 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.720 Hey, fam I'm Jada Pinkett Smith and this is the 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:06.120 Red Table Pop podcast, all your favorite episodes from the 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:10.239 Facebook watch show in audio produced by Westbrook Audio and 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:13.360 I Heart Radio. Please don't forget to rate and review 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:18.120 on Apple Podcasts. When two year old Gabby Potito's family 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:21.759 memorial lies their beloved daughter, they made a promise. We 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:27.240 are amplifying at the table today. We need positive stuff 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:31.200 to come from the tragedy that happened. We can't let 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:34.000 her name be taken in vain. The same type of 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:40.239 an awareness should be continued for everyone. Everyone. I want 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:44.400 to ask everyone to help all the people that are 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:51.839 missing and need help. It's on all of you, everyone 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:55.920 that's in this room, to do that. Then if you 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.520 don't do that for other people that are missing, that's 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:01.360 a shame. That's it's not just Gabby that deserves that. 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:07.760 I thought that was such a powerful message And what 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:10.720 I have to give them props for is that in 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:15.560 this devastating moment for their family, they had the strength, 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:20.080 the courage, the compassion to think about others who were 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.040 going through the same thing, who didn't have the same 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.039 amount of tention as Gabby. They're using the memory of 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:31.240 Gabby and this opportunity to shine a life for everyone. 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:33.280 I have to be honest with you, I don't know 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:36.039 if I lost one of my children in that way, 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:41.560 if I would have the wherewithal to do that. So 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:46.440 when I saw that, it really touched me. I think 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:50.000 I think I would be consumed with my grief, you 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:54.240 know what I mean. We have two very special R 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.600 t T guest hosts coming to the table to fill 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.480 in for Willows on tour with her band. First, we 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.200 have Eliza bit Smart. Elizabeth was at the center of 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:06.640 one of the most terrifying child abduction cases in history. 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.760 Kidnapped at knife point from her bedroom at the age 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:13.280 of fourteen, Elizabeth endured pure horror at the hands of 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:17.640 her captors, who claimed to be religious prophets. Elizabeth was 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:21.880 forced to drink alcohol, raped daily, chained to a tree, 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:27.120 and starved. Nine months later, Elizabeth was spotted just miles 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:31.240 from home and miraculously rescued. Now, Elizabeth is a married 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:35.160 mother of three beautiful children. She uses her incredible story 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:38.320 of resilience to spark hope for families of the missing, 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.640 and fights tirelessly to be a voice for survivors of 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:54.560 sexual assault. That's welcome Elizabeth Smart, Hi, welcome the seat. 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:57.600 This is quite a moment for me. I'm getting all 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:04.280 choked up, but I remember, yeah, story absolutely and all 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.440 of us rooting for you to come home, and you did. 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:10.000 When you see stories like Gabby's, how does it affect you? 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:14.560 In Gabby's case in particular, I mean, I was alive 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:19.560 and I came home and hers tragically has not ended 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.600 that way. But knowing what it's like being on the 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:26.720 other side and potentially what may have happened and what 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:30.600 may have led up to her final moments, and understanding 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:37.480 probably a lot of what she was feeling, it's heartbreaking. Yeah. 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.360 Did you always have hope while you were gone that 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:44.760 you would be rescued or I always wanted to be rescued? Yeah, 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:47.600 I don't know that I always had hopeful. It was 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:54.520 some pretty dark times, for sure. I just cannot imagine what. Yeah, 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:59.280 you know, to have your child go missing and yeah, 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:01.640 and then you're like you're not getting the help that 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:05.760 you need to find them. My parents always said the 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:10.640 worst part of having me gone was not knowing. I 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:13.000 was not knowing if I was alive and out there 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:17.200 or if I was dead and actually when I was 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:21.320 being taken up into the mountains that first night that 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.760 I was kidnapped, I asked him if he was going 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:27.480 to rape and kill me, and if he was going 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.920 to do that, could he please do it fairly close 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.680 to my house because it was important to me that 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:38.120 my parents find my body and know that I hadn't 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:40.640 run away. And so, I mean, when I think of 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:44.080 Gabby Petito, when I think of all of these other victims, 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:49.000 I feel like they still deserve just every bit as 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:52.480 much to be found so that their stories have an 0:04:52.560 --> 0:05:01.320 ending as well. Atly, No, I just be let's get 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:07.360 you some tissue. Can Oh this is too much? Yeah, 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:12.039 it's okay. It's just very very powerful having you here. 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:17.279 Really really it's very very and for you to be 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:25.479 fourteen and to have that in mind, right that, yeah, 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:29.479 to say, you know, if you gonna do anything to me, 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.400 just please do it close to home. So my parents, No, 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:37.400 I didn't run away. Once you came home, how were 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:40.160 you just able to heal? Things? That made a big 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.080 difference to me was certainly having my family around me 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:45.840 supporting me. I mean, how many victims are there who 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.719 are kidnapped or abused by their family? Others, the very 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.880 ones that are supposed to protect them are the ones 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:55.600 hurting them, and that sense of betrayal. First of all, 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:57.640 we shouldn't compare what we go through, but it makes 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:01.120 me feel like I'm so blessed and I'm so lucky 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:04.800 because I was kidnapped by a stranger. Also, even the 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:08.320 support of I mean, my community, nobody has really ever 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.960 questioned whether I was kidnapped or whether I ran away. 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:17.120 No one's ever really questioned did bad things happen? I mean, 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:22.640 everything that I've always said has been accepted. And how 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:27.320 many victims, how many survivors are not believed You're right? 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:30.920 I think I think of that either. And I think 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:35.039 that honestly makes the difference between being able to move 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:37.840 forward and have a healthy life or bottling it inside 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:41.880 you and then being on a different trajectory. I'm so 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:49.800 happy that you are here with us and really using 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:54.840 your voice to help amplify voices of people will come 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:59.320 from marginalized communities who might not always get the same 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:04.839 amount of s as you got or definitely right, and 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:09.080 and I want to say that I believe that every 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:13.760 single person deserves to have attention in regards to being 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.960 missing so this is not an either or situation. And 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.040 I want to be really clear about that. When I 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.960 think of all of the people, I mean so many, 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:26.040 so many whose stories never even see the light of day. 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:29.760 I live in this field every day and all the 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:33.480 time I hear stories I've never heard, and they're They're 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:36.240 not just like brand new stories of ten minutes ago. 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:40.320 There are stories of five, ten, twenty years ago, and 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:44.440 I've never heard of them. Someone is missing, Like, are 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:48.160 they any less worthy? It has any less of a 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:54.120 whole been left because they're gone? No, Like there's somebody 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.680 I couldn't agree with you more. Are you still in therapy? 0:07:57.800 --> 0:07:59.240 Did you get a lot of there? Because I mean, 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.200 I'm sure it's a lifetime that I understand, it's a 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:07.200 lifetime of work. I mean, just day after I got home, UM, 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:11.280 I was taken to a children's justice center and I 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:16.840 was brought into this room with these two psychiatrists, and um, 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:19.160 I was just told that I had I had to 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:23.440 tell them everything that they asked me. So in my 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:27.880 mind that meant that they were there to help. I 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:32.680 wasn't sure why I was there, and so I went 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:39.400 into the room and it was two men middle age older. 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.360 On the way to the room, they opened this closet 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:45.319 and they're like, you can choose any stuffed animal you want. 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:50.079 And I just remember feeling condescended to because I was like, 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:54.959 I'm fifteen, Like I just survived nine months without a 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:57.640 stuffed animal. I'm pretty sure I can survive whatever is 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:01.559 going to happen next. I honestly just immediately shut down 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.760 because they were around the same age as one of 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:08.600 my captors. They were both clearly religious, which I mean, 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:13.640 bravo for them, wonderful for them, But in that situation 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:17.160 where I had just come out of nine months of 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:21.000 being abused and manipulated by someone who was trying to 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:27.040 use religion, um, that just made me feel uncomfortable. I 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:31.280 grew up a very sheltered life prior to my kidnapping. 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.240 I was a very young, fourteen year old, was still 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:38.440 very innocent and very naive just growing up. My parents 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.880 didn't just refer to penises and vaginas and when they 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:44.800 were your privates and you just you don't. We didn't 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.520 really talk about them. And so then as these two 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:51.480 psychiatrists sat there and they're like, okay, so what happened, 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:53.360 And I'd be like well they hurt me. And they'd 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:54.560 be like, well, how they hurt you, Well they have 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:56.880 molested me, Well how they molest you? Well they raped me. 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.720 Well do you know what rape is? And I was like, well, yeah, 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:05.360 he like forced himself and me, and I'd be like, 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.720 could you use the correct body like the body parts 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:11.320 and so so I finally had to get it down 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:15.760 to he physically forced his penis into my vagina repeatedly, 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:21.880 and I mean that was terrible. By the time I left, 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.200 I just knew that I never wanted to speak about 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.880 it with anyone ever again. I didn't want to speak 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:31.320 about what happened. Um. It was explained to me that 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:34.280 the two psychiatrists were there because they were getting my 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.120 testimony so that they could stand as proxy for me 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.800 in trial. I didn't realize that, and so I just 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:42.720 knew they were psychiatrists. So I thought it was some 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:44.560 form of therapy, and I just thought, if this is 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:49.839 what therapy is, I do not want it, and I refused. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:55.040 I refused to have therapy, which of course panicked my parents. 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.160 So they went and saw a therapist and the therapist 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:02.600 was like, it's fine, take a deep it's fine. Let 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.920 her make this decision. But you need to be prepared 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.960 because ultimately you both will be her biggest therapist and 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:11.600 you need to be in a place that you can 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:18.120 handle that. And now that I understand what therapy is, yeah, 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:23.240 could have been useful, but I just thought that it 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.320 would be going back to every dark moment of my 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.760 life and I didn't want that. So your parents really, 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:34.280 well they were huge. Wow, So they got the help 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:36.760 that they needed so that they could just help a guy. 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:42.160 That's beautiful. You're a mom now yourself, Elizabeth. You have 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:46.040 three children? Yes? How old are they? Six? Four? And 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:52.120 my babies too. Oh, that's beautiful. I would imagine they 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:56.600 had a little young to know your story. They are young, 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:01.120 But I wish I could claim this is advice that 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.520 I came up with. But someone told me that as 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:08.280 soon as your child starts asking questions, that's the right 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:13.000 time to start talking to them. And actually, when one 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.880 of my captors was coming up for parole and I 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.439 was supposed to go down to the prison that day 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:23.640 to go give a victim impact statement, and my daughter, 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.520 my oldest, she didn't really want me to go, and 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:28.880 so she kept asking me, where are you going? Why 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.959 are you going that moment, I was just like, dang it, 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:34.920 I guess have to take this advice, not like she's 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:40.040 asking questions. So I started talking to her. But it's 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:46.480 not in graphic detail. When mommy was younger, there was 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:48.840 a man who broke into my home and hurt me, 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:54.520 and now he and his wife are in jail, and 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.559 I'm going down there to make sure that they stay 0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:01.520 in jail. So that led us talking about having the 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.439 right to defend yourself. It's amazing that you can even 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:08.320 let your kids out of the house, honestly, because I swear, yes, 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:14.280 I think I'm overprotective. And that's where my husband comes 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:20.000 in and pulls me back down to earth. I mean, 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:24.720 everybody teaches you what you should do if you catch 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:29.080 on fire, to look both ways when you cross the street, 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:36.400 and thinking back on my exact situation, nobody really tells 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.240 you what you should do in that situation. I mean, 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:43.079 when I woke up, there was a knife pressed across 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.440 my throat, like a little bit more pressure, and he 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:53.000 could have just killed me. I don't regret not screaming. 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:57.480 I don't regret doing what he told me because I'm 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:00.520 still alive. Yes you are, and I don't know that 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.880 I would be had I not, because I do believe 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:08.679 that he absolutely was capable of killing me and then 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:13.000 maybe taking my sister or killing her to So I 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:16.480 don't regret it. You just mentioned that you had to 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:21.160 face your captors. That had to be just difficult and heartbreaking. 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.480 Ryan Mitchell, he will never get out of He's in 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:28.360 federal prison. People, there's no chance of rule. Wanda Barsie. 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:32.800 She she has been released, but she served the max 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:38.440 sentence that she could and there was no option for recourse. 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.240 They had to release her. So that is what it is. 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:46.280 How did that make you feel disappointed? But I think 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:50.680 it also helped me have a greater appreciation for I mean, 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:55.880 how many victims never even have a smidgen of justice there? 0:14:56.400 --> 0:15:01.280 Perpetrators walk every day free. Yeah, like Ailee, I got something. 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:05.480 How many more? Haven't? You really are a beautiful symbol 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.200 of hope. You're just such a beautiful representation of that 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:14.280 you can get through. Thank you. Yeah, it's really it's 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.880 really nice to be in your presence and feel that 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:21.080 joining the table is Laura Coates, seeing an anchor and 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:25.240 senior legal analyst and radio hosts as a former federal 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:30.160 Prosecutor Laura spearheaded cases of domestic violence, child abuse, and 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.800 sexual assault. And there's a powerful voice from missing persons. 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:39.280 Oh my goodness, I was trying to hold back. Were 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:42.560 trying to call it together, so it wasn't just me. 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.240 It broke my heart. They just can't think about how 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:50.360 many people, how many children, are wondering are they enough 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:54.640 for somebody to look for me? It is a massive problem. 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.920 I mean every nineties seconds, you know, a person disappears, 0:15:57.920 --> 0:15:59.920 a person goes missing. Just in the time that we 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.080 been sitting here chatting, there's people who have already gone missing. 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:08.160 I live in fear about my children. I've become very overprotective. 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:13.280 But then I don't even think it's over protective, it's protective, participrotective. 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:17.120 I remember when I almost lost my son in Costco 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.120 and I turned in a blink of an eye and 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:24.200 he wasn't there. And I remember the panic as a mother, 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:27.160 the sheer terror, and I remembered sprinting towards the door 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:29.520 like a crazed woman. I mean, I was like, lock 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.240 the doors. Get it's a little boy. It's a little boy, 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:35.200 He's my life. They did it, and they seemed to 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.080 have some protocol. I don't know if it was. It 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.360 was called what was it call code Atom, code Adam 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:46.600 after you know, I never even knew what it what 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:50.520 it was. You going to like Walmart or wherever, and 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.960 they have a sticker and it says code Atom. It's 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:56.240 in case your child disappears in a store, they will 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:58.040 lock down the store and no one can come in 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:05.640 or go out. That's impoor. Yes, that's important code. And wow, 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:07.840 my sons was playing hide and seek and a tent 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.520 dance set up right where I left him. As a 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:18.040 legal expert, what have you learned from Gabby's case? You know, 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:23.760 there is this really symbiotic relationship that has to happen, right, 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:31.159 the idea that law enforcement and a suspicious public and 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:33.800 the family and the media, all this has to come 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:37.480 together in this little perfect storm. Because what you saw 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:39.760 and why we even have the video footage that we're 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:43.680 seeing a Gabby Petito and whatever altercation occurred between her 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:48.439 and her fiance is because somebody saw something and called 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:52.199 the police. See something, say something. I don't even know 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.119 what it is, but let me let me call someone 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:57.000 about this. Here's the van you're just going on, And 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.119 of course we are seeing what may have been some 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:01.439 of her final moments, some weaber final days that may 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.680 have experienced, but it gives some insight. There is this 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:07.199 video from some of the body cam footage of the 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:11.159 officers when they're talking to her that reminded me of 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:14.639 when I would prosecute cases of domestic violence and what 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:18.280 you would see. Oftentimes are so many assumptions that are made, 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:23.800 so many stereotypes that you don't even know are undermining 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:29.480 the investigation or the pursuit of someone's safety. Okay, do 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:34.680 you have medication for anxiety? You take, but you tend 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:38.120 to have a lot of anxiety and stress. And what's 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:43.480 his name, Brian? Is he usually pretty patient with you? 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:45.880 It just makes me up, said, I know that he's 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:48.879 definitely a speciated with me a lot because I have 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:53.320 a lot of excrety and he definitely anxiety. My girlfriend's 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.879 really really calm, but my ex wife swatching my ex wife. 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:58.800 I'm just sharing that. Know that's a little person, But 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:01.360 to help you understand, we would feed off each other's 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:03.479 anxiety and with spiral, you know, it doesn't matter how 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.040 much I loved her, And maybe a bad for your 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.600 soul if you know you have anxiety. Look at the 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.600 look at the situations you can get in. Is there 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:14.880 some my new cheek? Here looks like did you get 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:18.200 did you get hit in the face? Kind of looks 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:20.920 like something like hitting you in the face and then 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:24.680 over on your arm, your shoulder right here, there's that's new, hun, 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:29.359 don't have a new mark. I don't know did he 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:31.520 did he hit you? Though? I mean, I mean, it's 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:33.320 okay if you're saying you hit him, and then I 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:34.919 understand if he hit you. But we want to know 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.840 the truth to be actually hit you, because you know, 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:43.000 she seems like alway, sweet girl twenty two or something 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:46.879 has a lot of anxiety, and from what she's claiming, 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:48.800 she's the full on aggress root here. We'll go see 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.440 what Brian saying. But do you want to come stand 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:55.879 in the shade speaking? Yeah, I know how I know this. 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.880 I know I know the struggle. From when I first 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:00.800 got here, we were more worried about what kind of 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:03.119 a guy you are. From what we heard I'm talking 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:05.040 to your girlfriend, it sounds to me like maybe this 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:11.159 is not the tough. Wow, there's a moment when something 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:15.280 clicks in this officer's mind hearing she has anxiety, and 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:18.800 something clicks and oh this is what this is. Oh 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:21.840 this is what this must be. Its anxiety, and it 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:24.520 gives premarrital advice. Its plains to her, Well, you know, 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:26.760 if you have this sort of toxicity of two people 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:30.120 with a similar mental health state, this is the kind 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:33.639 of thing that happens. As if whatever was transpiring is 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:37.960 the expectation of things. Then from Matt he draws a conclusion. 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:41.960 He goes back to the fiance makes a comment of see, 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:44.359 now we didn't know what kind of guy you were, 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:48.160 but now that we know, this probably changes the calculation 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:52.760 and these decisions that officers try to assess in this 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:56.080 sort of split second moment makes all the difference. In 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:59.040 that moment, it probably likely changed the course of history. 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:02.119 The idea I know what this is, I know what 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:07.240 this is. But can you prosecute without a willing victim? 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:09.800 You absolutely can't. And you know how it's like a 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:11.880 myth in law and order. You here, do you want 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:13.520 to go forward? I don't want to press charges? And 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:16.679 somehow everyone says okay, never mind any reality. It's like, 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:19.439 oh that's cute. I don't really care what you'd like 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:22.399 to do, and here's why. While we want people to 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:26.440 have choices over what's happening, if we have an independent 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:29.320 witness who can corroborate something, if you have an eye witness, 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.359 if you have somebody who's told the police something, or 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:35.480 you have video, we will pursue because we have to. 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:37.520 The problem is, just like you saw it with a 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:42.920 Gabby Badto case. Sometimes the person once law enforcement gets involved, Yeah, 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:47.159 they suddenly think about the consequences. They think themselves and 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:50.760 love this person and I know what could happen or 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:56.280 I hit him first. Mm hmm. Yeah. I always say 0:21:57.040 --> 0:22:02.280 unapologetically report. Yeah, They're a shame that people carry. And 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:04.880 I've had victims who have said I don't want this. 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:08.480 I said, okay, that's fine, I will be the bad guy. 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:11.600 I can even subpoena you so that when it arrives 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:13.480 at your home you can make a big production and 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:17.119 being subpoena like the authors, roll up, you have no choice. 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:20.440 Here you go. It's a protective mechanism. Officers sometimes will 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:23.920 do that. You were talking about the people that captured 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:29.639 images in the Pepito case, because I had a circumstance 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:33.040 very recently that was with my husband and we were 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:36.280 in the car and there was a couple on the 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:40.840 corner sitting on the bench, but there was obvious discord 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:43.840 between them, and they were young. It didn't look right, 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:47.280 and my husband thought that I was being nosy. I 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:50.080 was about to like roll down the window and say 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:52.960 are you okay? But they seemed to work it out 0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:55.880 and they started holding hands and they walked on down 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:58.720 the street. But it's that kind of stuff that you 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:02.439 never know. First of all, you should be nosy. Nosy 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:05.800 saved lives. We have responsibility as women, I think too, 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:09.119 in particular to have that are you ok sis, And 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:13.639 I think it's so important having the public being involved, 0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:18.080 because that's how you were rescued. Was actually a few 0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:21.000 different people who all called. I think it was like 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:23.880 in less than five minutes. I don't think I'll ever 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:28.440 lose my faith in humanity because everyone kept their eyes 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:31.680 open and just simple phone call to the police ultimately 0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:35.080 led to my rescue of my homecoming Can you take 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:37.600 us back, Elizabeth? And just kind of remind us of 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:42.000 that situation. My characters had taken me to southern California 0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:47.080 for the winter. Their plan was to kidnap seven young girls. 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:50.560 I was just the first, and they actually made several 0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:53.560 attempts while I was with them, Thank goodness, they were 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:57.040 not successful. But after the most recent attempt that they 0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:59.280 had tried, list said well, it's time to move on. 0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:02.240 I was like, this is my chance. So I convinced 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:05.920 them to return back to Utah and we hitchhiked. We 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:09.320 were making our way up State Street in Salt Lake City, 0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:13.479 which is a pretty good sized street. He kept telling 0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:16.439 me that once we got up into the mountains, they 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:18.840 were never going to let me down again. But at 0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:20.560 that point in time, I didn't even care. I was 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:23.919 just happy because physically I was that much closer to 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:27.080 my family. We were just walking up State Street when 0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:30.199 it was like police car after police car after police 0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:34.639 car pulling up and officers jumping out and they started 0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:40.160 questioning us. Initially I didn't just respond and say yes, 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:43.040 I'm Elizabeth Smart, please help me, please save me. I 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:48.760 wanted to bring that up because so many people, so 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:52.200 many people over the years have been like, well why 0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:57.760 didn't you or if I had been you, people are 0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:01.720 bold much to say that to you or on social media, 0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:03.439 like I could pulled my phone right now and I 0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:06.320 could like I'm sure in the first ten messages, we 0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:10.440 could find something saying why didn't you, or you had 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:14.119 every chance to get away, why didn't you? And I 0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:16.920 want to take a second and say that I didn't 0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:22.200 immediately yell or scream or admit who I was because 0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:26.800 for nine months, no one could protect me from them. 0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:30.240