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Speaker 1: Triumph Channel one thirty two. A gorgeous young doctor, the

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Speaker 1: She comes back that Sunday night so she can see

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Speaker 1: wasn't meant to be. She is found dead, brutally beaten.

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Speaker 1: The bloody hammer used to kill her. Soon discovered who

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us. The murder, the brutal murder of doctor Teresa Severs,

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Speaker 1: Her clients, her patients, began morning as cops began looking

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Speaker 1: for answers. It all starts right here with a nine

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Speaker 1: your emergency? Uh I had a friend's house, so he's

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Speaker 1: What is he addressed in the emergency for Jarvis Road? Okay?

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Speaker 1: And is that a house for in apartment? Sir? What's

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Speaker 1: My friend? Uh Risa Seebers, she's a doctor. I'm a doctor.

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Speaker 1: She came home last night. Her husband is in Connecticut,

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Speaker 1: contributing reporter Bob Alexander. If you look carefully at the photo,

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Speaker 1: could you describe the type of burglar alarm? Dr. Teresa

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Speaker 1: forensics expert Karen Smith, Karen, we know that Teresa Sivers

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Speaker 1: why do you protect the crime scene? Karen Smith? Nancy,

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Speaker 1: Stories contributing reporter Bob, did she have on the same

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Speaker 1: kill her and then send the text from her home

429
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: that's trying to cover up maybe the time of the killing.

430
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: And if somebody is covering up the time of the killing,

431
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, that means something to me. This is a

432
00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: random killing. They don't care if you're trying to clean

433
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: up a scene or cover up the time of the murder.

434
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: That means you're providing somebody an alibi, you're covering up

435
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 1: the time of the murder. No. Absolutely, And you know,

436
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: luckily we live in a day and age where forensics

437
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: and autopsy results are also able to tell us the

438
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 1: time of the killing. So that's one of the corroborative

439
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: factors that will be introduced to the jury to basically

440
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: make it seem like everything was actually sent from her phone.

441
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: And I like the point you make about this is

442
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: the pattern and practice that most of us use when

443
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,959
Speaker 1: a plane land. And there was also nothing about that

444
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: text message that seemed enough out of the ordinary where

445
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: it would be trying to cover up the time of

446
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: the crime. And that may have been because obviously when

447
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: you look at an autopsy result, when the cops are

448
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: go the next day, they will probably be able to

449
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: find circumstantial evidence of when that crime was committed, especially

450
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: because of the details that have been provided regarding the blows,

451
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: the blood, the blood spatter, evidence that in fact, the

452
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: text was sent back at the airport, as it sounds

453
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: like the cell phone records are able to cross. You're right,

454
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick Karen Smith forensics expert joining me tag teaming

455
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: me with Wendy Patrick Karen. Of course, you don't always

456
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: have to have an autopsy's saying, oh she had me

457
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: so soup at eight thirty pm on the plane, or

458
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 1: her body is at ninety degrees on beyond temperature, blah

459
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: blah blah. That's way, way advanced. We can tell this

460
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: just plain old common sense, is Bob Alexander's telling us,

461
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: looks like she's killed in the kitchen right when she

462
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: walked to the door. Her suitcase is still in the garage.

463
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: The clothing is the same as she was wearing, right

464
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: down to the shoes at the crime scene. Her pocketbook

465
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: is a disarrays if she's dropped her somebody rifle through it.

466
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: I don't know which, but I don't think anything was stolen,

467
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: which is another indicator she's not sex assaulted and nothing

468
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: is stolen, So what's the point? So, Karen Smith, I mean,

469
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: just plain old fashioned gum. She detective work tells me

470
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 1: it happened right when she walked in the kitchen door

471
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: from the garage. That's exactly right. And one of the

472
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: things that police are gonna look for as soon as

473
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: they walk in is and this is a big clue,

474
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: forensic wise and timeline wise, is was the blood still wet?

475
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 1: Was it drying? Was it cracked? Was it peeling from

476
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 1: the floor? You know, blood has We can get a

477
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: general timeline of when this happened just based on the

478
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: blood that's still there. Um is are the pool still sticky?

479
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: Are they wet? I know that's kind of a gross subject,

480
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: but it's true and it helps with the timeline as

481
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: well as her body itself. Uh there's a thing called lividity,

482
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: which is where blood settles in the body, and it's

483
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: gonna leave patterns on her body as to her position

484
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: when she was killed. It can also help timeline when

485
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: it happened. Um rigor mortis, Was she stiff or not?

486
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: All of these things are going to play into the timeline,

487
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: And it sounds to me just like she was she

488
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: walked in, she was blitz attacked, and she was found

489
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: the next morning. From everything that I've gleaned, you know what,

490
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: I'm totally in a trance. When Wendy Patrick, Karen Smith,

491
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: ben Levitan start talking about analyzing blood spatter and technology

492
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: evidence and circumstantial evidence, I mean, wow, you're so right,

493
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: all three of you regarding the evidence in this case.

494
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: Now to Bob Alexander expert and crime Stories contributing reporter Bob,

495
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: they may be making a mint. Uh. This doctor was

496
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: extremely dedicated to her clients and her patients and community outreach.

497
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: She had a thriving practice, but it was not a

498
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: better Roses. As a matter of fact, they had a

499
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: lot of money problems, didn't. They have a huge I

500
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: r as lean on them approaching like forty dollars to

501
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: the Feds. I mean, you don't play with the feds. Uh,

502
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: In oh, they say you owe me this, I might

503
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: here's a check. It's so nice of you to take

504
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: my money and I'm not gonna be a minute late. Wa. No,

505
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: you do not mess with the taxman. Okay, that's like

506
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: a major no no. But they had a tax lean

507
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: on them. Why with all those clients all those employees

508
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: that big blue burgeoning practice, they can pay their taxes. Well,

509
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot of details that we are still awaiting

510
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: a word on as far as a lot of personal

511
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: information between the doctor and his her husband, but we

512
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: do know that there were issues financially and personally. Now, uh,

513
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: there apparently were some very tight circumstances going on as

514
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: far as money, and there were also details released later on.

515
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: Has been mentioned, there was a journal release from Mark

516
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: Fevers about his sexual life. There was a lot of

517
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: ten going oh wow, wow, wait wait, wait, wait, wait wait.

518
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: I don't know how his sex life got all up

519
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: in my discussion of the taxman, but I can tell

520
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: you what I don't want to po the I R

521
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: s by intermingling his freaky, freaky, dieky sex life with

522
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: their tax bill. Let me just say they were not

523
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: paying their bills and they were making money hand over

524
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: fist I imagine. I mean, she is board certified internal

525
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: medicine doctor with additional degrees and holistic and molecular and

526
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: body wellness. I don't know why they weren't paying their taxes, Okay,

527
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: but I know this. That is a sign to me,

528
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: if you don't pay the taxman, there are other bills

529
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: you're not paying now. Bob Alexander, of course, has raised

530
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: a specter of the freak nature. Take a listen to

531
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: what Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott tells me on h

532
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: Lynn Sheriff Scott. There's absolutely no evidence that this woman,

533
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: a mother of two little girls, working her behind off

534
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: all day long as a doctor, supporting the family. All right,

535
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: there's no evidence she was having an affair that we

536
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: have heard of. Is that true. I'm not going to

537
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: confirm or deny an affair. What I what I will say,

538
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: as I've said all along, she was very much a victim,

539
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: and our investigation leads us to say that nothing she did,

540
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, brought this upon herself. She didn't put herself

541
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: in a position of peril. Some people put themselves in

542
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: higher risk situations where they're more likely to incur uh,

543
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 1: you know, injury or become a victim. That was not

544
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: the case here. She simply returned home a little early

545
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: in advance of the family because she had to open

546
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: up and start to see patients, and that was her

547
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: reason for being there. There was no there was no

548
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: other indication of of anything else. The sheriff tells us

549
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: there's new twist and turns every single twenty four hour.

550
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: Sheriff Mike Scott with us, the Lee County sheriff leading

551
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: this investigation. Sheriff, question to you, what did they buy

552
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: at Walmart? I I understand that at least Rogers, if

553
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: not Rogers and Right, we're spotted at Walmart just before

554
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: the murders. That's correct, But unfortunately I'm not able to

555
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: share what they purchased. I will tell you with certainty

556
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: we know what they purchased to the item, and uh,

557
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: it's of course of interesting of it directly Jermaine to

558
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: the case, but I can't specify what it was would

559
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: be Are they there before or after the murder? Sheriff before? Okay,

560
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: now I noticed you said they Does that mean Right

561
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: and Rogers were there? Yes, ma'am. Okay. And one last

562
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to ask you, Sheriff, between Missouri and

563
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: Benita Springs, there are a lot of tolls. Do you

564
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: think any of those had cameras? I know that some have.

565
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: I can tell you that we have been able to

566
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: basically follow virtually their every move as this investigation unfolds.

567
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: And then for the beginning. That's it's been of It's

568
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: been a great help to us along the way, both

569
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: digital footprints and otherwise, no stone will be unturned. Here

570
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 1: to Bob Alexander joining us at a port Charlotte, Florida,

571
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: The plot thickens. Who is it the Sheriff's telling me about? Right?

572
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: And Rogers? Please explain who these two characters are driving?

573
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: How many of our thousand miles from Missouri to get

574
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: to Benita Springs? And somehow they have now been connected

575
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: to the home of Teresa's Severs. Curtis Wayne Wright was

576
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: the longtime boyhood friend of Mark Severs, Teresa severs husband.

577
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: They talked about each other as a brother from another mother,

578
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. They knew each other for so

579
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: many years. And I know this is radio Nancy, but

580
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: if you're ever able to see a picture of these

581
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: two together, it's almost uncanny how exactly they looked like

582
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: each other, almost identical twins. Now. Jimmy Rogers was a

583
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 1: gentleman from Missouri who allegedly was an acquaintance of Wayne Rogers,

584
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: who was the one that was the friend. He was

585
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: the one that allegedly was talked into accompanying Rogers or

586
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Curtis Wayne Wright on the trip down from

587
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: Missouri to Fort Myers where the murder happened. How do

588
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: we how are they placed at the home of choice

589
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: of Savers? Well, they were placed there because they had

590
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: all kinds of evidence pointing them making the drive down,

591
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: between renting a car, between having tolls. Also, they were filmed,

592
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: I believe at least one of them was filmed at

593
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: a walmart uh down in the Beneath Springs area the

594
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: day before the killing, and they were seen purchasing items, tape,

595
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: and all kinds of other items that pointed law enforcement

596
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: toward these two being there for the purpose of the murder.

597
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: Isn't Curtis Wainwright the best This is the best friend

598
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: of Dr Saver's husband. Isn't he a computer whiz? And

599
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: he had been called in to do computer analysis of

600
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: some sort at her doctor's office, called in by her husband.

601
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: That is correct. He had been there at some point

602
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: before the murder sub had taken place. He was in

603
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,959
Speaker 1: the office, he was working on the computers. We don't

604
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: know exactly how much time he spent in the office there,

605
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 1: but he was a computer expert and he was hired

606
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: by the husband to come down and work on the

607
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: computer system. You are correct. Isn't it true that some

608
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: of her office staff believed that this best friend I

609
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: where he looks like an identical twin to the husband,

610
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,959
Speaker 1: no relation though Seaver stapsy to think that Curtis wain

611
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: Wright had been actually using her office computer to follow

612
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: along what was happening in Seaver's life. Was he allegedly

613
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: doing that remotely somehow? It's very possible, Nancy. I mean,

614
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: this was a guy that really knew his way around

615
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: a computer and spend enough time where he could have

616
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: logged on, could have done whatever he probably wanted to

617
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: with those computers. And of course, being the closest friend

618
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: that Mark Sievers had, Uh, you know, wouldn't be surprising

619
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: for him to exchange information with Mark. M um um

620
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: um m m m. Everybody perked your ears up on this.

621
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: So you've got the husband's very best boyhood friend and

622
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: they look like twins, and some dude he brings along

623
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: with him, uh, Jimmy Rogers, traveling from Missouri all the

624
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: way to Benita Springs. They get there just before Teresa

625
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: Sivers is murdered, and they're spotted in a local Walmart. Okay,

626
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: that's not good. Combined with this, it turns out right

627
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: the friend, the best boyhood friend, may have been eavesdropping

628
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: on the Sivers for years. He's the one that set

629
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: up their office computer system and would quote trouble shoot.

630
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: According to the employees, who say Sivers allowed right to

631
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: access every single thing on their computer system from his

632
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: home in Missouri. He can creep onto the computer anytime

633
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 1: he wanted to do whatever he wanted, and he could

634
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: actually see everything that was going on in the office. Okay,

635
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: that is freaky. Um. No, Wendy Patrick, that's not just

636
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: a coincidence. There is no coincidence in criminal law that

637
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: his best boyhood friends shows up in town about seventeen

638
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: hundred miles away, living in Missouri, shows up within twenty

639
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: four hours of Teresa Savers being brutally murdered while his

640
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: best friend has six million dollars worth the life insurance

641
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: on the wife. Yeah, timing matters in a fact pattern

642
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: like this. Uh. And the optics are very bad. And

643
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: I mean that quite literally. If you point out your

644
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: jerk can't considerable Gosh, it's evidence that they look exactly

645
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: alike but subliminally it is odd and it is also

646
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: it ties right into this narrative of this is somebody

647
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: that was very very close to Mark, to the defendant

648
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 1: that he even would allow him into the inner workings

649
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: of his computer system, which most of us would never do.

650
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: So absolutely, that is one thing the jury will consider.

651
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: So Bob Alexander joining me from Port Charlotte, Florida, Crime Stories,

652
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: contributing reporter Bo Bob. As it turns out, we have

653
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: uncovered exactly what they did get at Walmart. Now, this

654
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: is a computer whiz who would think it leaves leave

655
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: a trail a mile wide. He bought, among other things,

656
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: wet wipes, black towels, black shoes, a lock picking kick,

657
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: trash bags, and they pay for their purchase with a

658
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: hundred dollar bill, as if that can't be traced. After

659
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: shopping at Walmart, Rogers and Right, the best friend of

660
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: the husband continued using the navigation system, and of course

661
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: we all know exactly where that led them. First they

662
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: went to the beach for a short while soaking up

663
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: some rays, and then they go back to the seaver's

664
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: home where they hang out for hours in the garage.

665
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: Ben Levitan communications expert, how can we possibly know they

666
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: head out in the garage. Well, Nancy, what you don't know?

667
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: And you can probably if you have a GPS device,

668
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: it keeps a history. If that GPS device was with them,

669
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: it's a very easy matter to pull up your history

670
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: and see where they were stationary for four hours. Wow.

671
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: You know, guys, it's just like you have on your

672
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,479
Speaker 1: phone when you share like Facebook photos, it will tell

673
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: exactly where you are when the photo was taken, very

674
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: often right to the street. These two, the best friend

675
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: of the husband the computer was Curtis Wainwright and the

676
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: hinch person Jimmy Rogers nickname the Hammer, waiting in Teresa's

677
00:41:55,160 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: garage for four hours until she gets home. Can you

678
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: imagine her terror as she gets out of the car,

679
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: gets her suit case out, and then she's ambushed by

680
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: these two thugs. Well, it all boils down to this.

681
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: Take a listen to the sheriff. As you've seen, Mark

682
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: Sievers is going to jail right now. He's been charged

683
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: with second degree murder. Those charges may change, that's up

684
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: to the State Attorney's office. Of course, we want to

685
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: be respectful of the prosecution phase of this who has

686
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: also done a great job with us towards the latter

687
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 1: part of this investigation, and we'll continue on from here.

688
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: But it's a very serious case that gripped our community.

689
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: Our community can take solace in knowing that the power

690
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: of the Sheriff's office was brought to bear on three

691
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: very dangerous people who gave a great deal. And I

692
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: want to understore a great deal of effort and and

693
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: energy into covering the tracks, into throwing us off on

694
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: the track and that term and so it's um, it's

695
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: something again. But I've been very proud of our community

696
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 1: can rest easy knowing that this closure here in this case.

697
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 1: I do anticipate that this brings closure to the case.

698
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: I'm not indicating that there's anything really further to do

699
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: at this point. We were after Mark Sievers. Uh. We

700
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: got our man, and we're very happy for that. I

701
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: also want to note that our concern has been with

702
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: the two daughters, as you know to young daughters. They're

703
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: here behind me now in this building, and um, we're

704
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: taking very good care of them and will continue to

705
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 1: make sure that that's the case. I'll take a few questions,

706
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: but again I want to underscore the body of work

707
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: that was completed by the Sheriff's Office, the Major Crimes Unit,

708
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: and everybody involved. A very, very complicated case. I don't

709
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: recall one quite this complicated and quite this centricate in

710
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: my twenty eight years, my twelve as sheriff, and I've

711
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: spoken with many seasoned prosecutors and otherwise that would tend

712
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: to agree. And I think as evidence of the group

713
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: that's gathered here today, this pretty well tells that story.

714
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: And we've had some big ones Gateway and many others,

715
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: but this this was a big deal. Well, I think

716
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: so complicated. Well, there's a lot of different things. Again,

717
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: as I mentioned earlier, Uh, these folks went to great

718
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: lengths to cover their tracks. We had investigators in multiple states,

719
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: and this investic gation wasn't contained to Lee County as

720
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: so many are, or even Florida for that matter. We

721
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: were in various states, in Arizona, Missouri and all points

722
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: in between. And uh, and there was a lot of works,

723
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: a body of work you've seen being released from the

724
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: State Attorney's office in recent weeks and you've you and

725
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: by the way, there's much more that they will I'm

726
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: sure released, So there'll be more, even on top of

727
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: what you've already seen thousands and thousands and thousands of pages. Man,

728
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: what changed this week that led the arrest of Marxi Hernus. Well,

729
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that change. Basically, Uh, the

730
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: the investigation came to what I would say a conclusion.

731
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: I've said all along that you know, our time frame

732
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: is different the sheriff's office and typically law enforcement has

733
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: a different time frame from the general curiosities of the

734
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: public or in particular perhaps media deadlines and other things

735
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: that I certain respect your deadlines, but we're not operating

736
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: on in the four o'clock deadline or in new news

737
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: on any particular day. So the investigation and the evidence

738
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: jackal into your question, to your point, brings us to this, uh,

739
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: to this conclusion. Again, working very closely with the State

740
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: Attorney's office, we have to be mindful of prosecution that

741
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: lies that you don't understand the arrest. I'll tell you

742
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm not going to speak specifically to the judicial process,

743
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: the proseccurial process, just to say that this is a

744
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: total body of work that we've been working very hard

745
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: on and you see that it's come to conclusion today.

746
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: A couple of months ago we had the two arrests

747
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: of the other gentlemen and then Fivers today, Why the

748
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: to arrest before and then Sivers now? Well, again we

749
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: follow the evidence. We there are certain thresholds that we

750
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: need to need our investigators need to validate information, they

751
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: need to follow up on information. And again we're not

752
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: on any specific timeline. There's no rule written anywhere that

753
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: says all three have to be arrested at once, or

754
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 1: it is what it is. I mean, obviously, as I've said,

755
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: I would, I would much prefer to prevent the crime

756
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: from occurring. We could somehow go back and prevent this

757
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: from happening, that would have been wonderful. That's not reality.

758
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: And so after that, we want to bring these things

759
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: to conclusion as quickly as possible. Now quickly for me

760
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: or for you maybe a different thing and when that

761
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: when that occurs. But obviously we worked as quickly as

762
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: we possibly could. Were just shy of the months. On

763
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: this June was that tragic and faithful day on Jarvis

764
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: Road where uh this you know, pillar of the community

765
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 1: and and and wonderful human being, her life was taken.

766
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: These kids celebrate their first Christmas just a couple of

767
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: months ago without their mother, and now their father's offen

768
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: shackles on his way to jail where it belongs. Frankly,

769
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: and yes, ma'am, has Curtis right either told investigators or

770
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: prosecutors that Mark Sievers hired in the two Jacob, I

771
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: can't speak to that specifically, just to say that this

772
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: is a complete body of evidence, a variety of different things.

773
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: Many you've seen through some of the releases that the

774
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: State Attorney's Office has released, and some that you will

775
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 1: yet to see. You'll shoot them soon. Crime you've seen

776
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: in your career, well, I don't know about gruesome, but

777
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: it's been it's very gruesome, course, but there's a lot

778
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: of gruesome crimes. We've had even crimes subsequent to this one,

779
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: the hide case out and Lehigh, the triple murder, the

780
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: incident down an eye on a road where the family

781
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: basically did what they did there. So we've had even

782
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: incidents since this. But this this case, for whatever reason

783
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: you fill in the blanks, had a little special appeal

784
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 1: to it. Perhaps it's because it's a doctor, a beautiful

785
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: young woman, a mother of two, and just all of it.

786
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: We talked about this early on Kelly, that this is

787
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: a case of high interest to the community, and I

788
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: understand that, and we understand. I wish we could have

789
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: had this press conference five minutes after the crime occurred.

790
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 1: That's not realistic. Again, this was a multi state investigation.

791
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: We had to connect a lot of dots, cross a

792
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: lot of teas. We weren't to be right. Slow and

793
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: steady wins this race. Are people were methodical, they were patient,

794
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: they were persistent, and above all, they were professional. And

795
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 1: I could not be more proud. Has Mark been cooperating

796
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 1: and he said anything to investigators since being taken into testing.

797
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: We've had casual conversation with March, just basically to make

798
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: sure the daughters are okay, some basic pleasantries in terms

799
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: of changing clothes and getting him shackled up and otherwise.

800
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: But he doesn't have a lot to say. Do you

801
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: have a confession. I'm sorry you have any confession. You're

802
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: not going to speak to that specifically. I'm gonna tell

803
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: us how he reacted when you arrested in today. Uh

804
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: stoic um emotional emotion there. I'm not a hundercent year's

805
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: golf bloo these veins. I think it might be ice

806
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: and daughters. His daughters will be processed initially with DCF,

807
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: but of course there's family members involved in this that

808
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: are loving and caring and we believe good homes. We've

809
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: had their interests as well. That's another reason that we

810
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: wanted to bring this together as quickly as possible. And

811
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: there are a lot of possibilities out there what could

812
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: have happened. I think this is probably the best outcome

813
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: given the totality of events that brings us to this point,

814
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: and that outcome is that Wainwright, Jimmy Rodgers, and Mark

815
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: Severs are locked up where they belong and the daughters

816
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 1: will be well cared for. I can't change what happened

817
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: to Dr Severs. I wish I could. I told you

818
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: that earlier, but I can't. We did everything we possibly could.

819
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: We did it well, We did it professionally, and frankly,

820
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: it may seem long sum, but we did expeditiously. Have

821
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: you talked to her family? We have had communication with

822
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: her family. Their reaction to the US. They're pleased and

823
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: relieve naturally as anyone would be. This has been going

824
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: on for some time now, which check one or two

825
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: more questions. I'm not going to speak to that. It's

826
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: a security issue. Obvious that we have three different people

827
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: on arguably one of the most high profile cases in

828
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 1: this in this region, will make those determinations. Initially will

829
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: book him in as we normally would any other inmate,

830
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: but beyond that, we have other thoughts about how that

831
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: court likely. Has there been any information that's come to

832
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: light yet that shows a payment or some other type

833
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: of reward that directly links our gain Curtis Org Yeah,

834
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: I'm not going to speak to that specifically, Jacob Again,

835
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: just again, a total body of evidence and lots of

836
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: it that brings us to this point keeping mindless evidence

837
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: has been reviewed not only by very very talented men

838
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: and women the Sheriff's office, but very very talented, seasoned

839
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: prosecutors and very very competent judges have all looked at

840
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: this evidence and review some of the things you've seen,

841
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: some that will be you know, forthcoming, and have all

842
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: agreed with us that he belongs in handcuffs and belongs

843
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: to You're going home this weekend. Is any different feeling

844
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: that you've had in the last nine months this weekend

845
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: and your all your crew was what you've accomplished, Well, uh,

846
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, unfortunately we're this is seven business.

847
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: We have other active cases that we're working, and this

848
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: is a big case. It's a huge. As I've said,

849
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 1: I'm very proud of the team, Kelly and naturally as

850
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: anyone would be when you bring something to a successful

851
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: conclusion like this. Uh, there's some job satisfaction. I'm sure,

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