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Speaker 2: candidate former Congressman Will Hurt. It's great to see you, sir,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you having me on so.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely from my own home state of Texas, so it's

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Speaker 2: always fun to see you. I actually kind of forgot

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Speaker 2: that you guys were Oh yeah, right, we have a

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Speaker 3: I'm really happy about that.

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Speaker 2: We always ask the same question to everybody who joins

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Speaker 2: us here in studio, why are you running for presidents?

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Speaker 4: I think America needs a better choice than a rematch

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Speaker 4: from hell between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. I think

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Speaker 4: we're faced with a number of generational defining challenges. The

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Speaker 4: the race because we need someone that has a mix

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Speaker 4: learned from my time when I was in Congress, way

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Speaker 4: more unites us than divides us. Most people wouldn't think

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Speaker 4: that's the case if you only look at social media

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Speaker 4: and watch cable news. But I think we're better together.

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Speaker 4: And the only way we're going to continue to make

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Speaker 1: You can read a poll as well as easily as

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Speaker 1: I can, and it's certainly former President Trump still has

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Speaker 1: a very dominant position within the Republican primary. What is

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Speaker 4: And didn't build a wall and made it harder for

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Speaker 4: I understand that and appreciate that. But when you really

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Speaker 4: So this rage begins with a lack of trust in

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Speaker 2: Well, what do you think about abortion? Do you think

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Speaker 1: So, speaking of issues, people are very interested in big

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Speaker 4: Because it's the right thing to do. And here's why,

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Speaker 4: So the issue is nobody wants to see a forever

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Speaker 2: Right, have an industrial base, They've ramped up their defense,

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Speaker 4: So so, in my opinion, the error, and that was

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Speaker 4: I think the attack on Costom Sulimani was absolutely correct

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Speaker 1: May be correct, You might be correct, just like you know,

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Speaker 2: We have no security guarantee with Ukraine. Let's be clear.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's one hundred billion a year expenditure for

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Speaker 2: They don't care about Ukraine. I was just in India.

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Speaker 2: You shouldn't you be managing this relationship that's happening here

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Speaker 4: Well, there was a security guarantee between US, the Russians,

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Speaker 1: To have a part in your ideal world. Because this

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Speaker 4: And the Ukrainians are doing all of this. The Ukrainians

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Speaker 1: So what so lay that out for me? So what

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Speaker 4: Continue to let Poland and again now we have palms

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Speaker 3: With drums, with his drunes, with his eniings.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so Vladimir Putin's going to launch your nuclear weapon

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Speaker 2: Maybe bomb's leviv or maybe that accidentally goes across the

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Speaker 3: First World War. I've been to the grades in France.

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Speaker 3: We don't need any of that over.

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Speaker 2: Of course, I do actually want to go These.

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Speaker 4: Are the kind of debates that I wish we had

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Speaker 2: you think the CIA had anything to do with the

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Speaker 2: assassination of John F.

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Speaker 4: Kennedy. Oh, I'm not equipped to answer that, like like

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Speaker 4: So here's here's what I always say about There's two

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Speaker 4: things about movies about the CIA that kind of like,

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Speaker 4: you know, rubbed me the wrong way. It always shows

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Speaker 4: that like when you're handling an asset, like their lives

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Speaker 4: is like throwaway, like my most my one job. These

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Speaker 4: are people that are giving us information to keep our

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Speaker 4: country safe. My number one job was to keep them safe. Right.

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Speaker 4: I would never do something with an asset that would

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Speaker 4: that would ultimately hurt Okay, and then like like that,

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Speaker 4: like the CIA is going to violate laws in the

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Speaker 4: United States? Right now, what's happened? So no, No, it

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Speaker 4: was a different you know, I started in October two thousand, right,

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Speaker 4: and so THEA was very different from the time when

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Speaker 4: we were doing things in Central America and even in

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Speaker 4: in in Vietnam. And you know, my job was to

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Speaker 4: stop terrorists from blowing up our homeland, right to prevent

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Speaker 4: Russian spies and chinesevies from stelling our secrets and to

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Speaker 4: put you know, nuclear weapons flippers out of business. And

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Speaker 4: I always tell people, if they knew how many threats

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Speaker 4: to the country they are, valid, valid threats they were,

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Speaker 4: most people wouldn't come out of their homes, right. But

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Speaker 4: it was a job that I loved and enjoyed and

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Speaker 4: got to do it in exotic places.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I always wanted to ask, so we got

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Speaker 2: a non committal answer.

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Speaker 4: There you go.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate you joining you, sir, and what you can

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Speaker 2: shout out your website.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, heard for america dot com.

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Speaker 3: All right, thank you sir, Thank you.

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