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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And President Trump is not publicly remarked

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Speaker 1: on the death of former Vice President Dick Cheney. It's

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Speaker 1: been more than twenty four hours since the death was announced.

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Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today. Ms

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Speaker 1: NVC's Eli Videlli steps by to read the tea leaves

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Speaker 1: from the election and what it means for Dems in

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Speaker 1: the future. Then we'll talk to Congressman Robert Garcia about

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Speaker 1: Prop fifty and the implications for the future of the

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Speaker 1: Democrats taking back Congress. But first the news.

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Speaker 2: Smiley, we did a rundown of the election last night

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Speaker 2: as we saw it, since Debs had a big night.

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Speaker 2: But what wasn't in the tea leaves quite yet. What

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Speaker 2: we did is how much DEVS flipped, even the reddest

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a lot of information to process last night,

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Speaker 1: and they were things like every single district in Virginia

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Speaker 1: moved to the left, not by huge margins, some by

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Speaker 1: huge margin, some by Les's huge margin, but they all

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Speaker 1: moved to left. And there were other things. So while

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Speaker 1: Mandani is a historic candidate, and that was a historic win.

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of other different wins that actually

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Speaker 1: may even say more about where Trump's Republican Party is.

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Speaker 1: Erie County, Pennsylvania, which supported Trump in the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four cycle, voted overwhelmingly for a Democrat in its county

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Speaker 1: executive race by twenty four points. In Virginia's sixty sixth

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Speaker 1: state House district, this woman, Nicole Cole, defeated a thirty

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Speaker 1: six year Republican incumbent. And there are just numerous stories.

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Speaker 1: The one I think what I think of is really

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Speaker 1: important is that Democrats in Georgia. You'll remember Georgia as

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Speaker 1: being really a red state, Democrats in Georgia managed to

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Speaker 1: win two state wide races for Public Service commissioner. These

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Speaker 1: are their first non federal so like not the Senate

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Speaker 1: seats that Democrats slipped, these are just state elections. These

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Speaker 1: and six. And there are two of them, and one

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Speaker 1: the Democrat one fifty eight to forty one, and the

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Speaker 1: other one the Democrat won sixty one to thirty nine.

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Speaker 1: So clearly these are our positions that deal with utilities

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Speaker 1: and have the executive power to decide what is fair

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Speaker 1: and reasonable rate for service. And you will remember that power.

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Speaker 1: The cost of power is going up because Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: killed all of these clean energy initiatives. So this shows

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Speaker 1: really like the many ways in which trump Ism has

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Speaker 1: gotten into different states and done different craziness. Even in

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Speaker 1: the state of Mississippi, a ruby red state represented by

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Speaker 1: two of the really the dumbest members of the Senate.

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Speaker 1: Actually that's not fair. Tommy Tubervilla isn't from Mississippi. Democrats

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Speaker 1: were able to break the supermajority and the state Senate

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Speaker 1: by flipping three seats after thirteen years. Take you away Republicans'

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Speaker 1: ability to override the governor's veto and easily proposed constitutional amendments.

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Speaker 1: So we don't talk that much about state legislative seats,

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Speaker 1: but it's actually really important. And so when you can

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Speaker 1: break a supermajority, it means that you have power. That

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Speaker 1: is really it means that you can't you know, these

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to see it, and it's also a sign

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So by I think we could say that there

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Speaker 2: and that people, you know, my family has been very

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Speaker 2: affected by the shutdown. You know, my wife to not

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Speaker 2: get paid. A lot of people want this to add

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of anxiety when you talk to

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Speaker 1: But Chuck Schimmer, really, if he does not stay strong,

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Speaker 1: here is funding Obamacare premiums. This is billions of dollars

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Speaker 1: which Republicans have earmarked for tax cuts and to bail

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Speaker 1: ever heard of. I mean, we've heard of it, but

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Speaker 1: the point here is that do I think that Republicans

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Speaker 1: You could see a world where Democrats cave on this.

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Speaker 1: This is the longest shutdown we've ever had. At some point,

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Speaker 1: people have to come to the table and pay pay workers.

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Speaker 1: So I have always been and I think you and

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Speaker 1: I differ on this. I've always been very like, shit down, Agnosta.

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Speaker 1: I understand that it was the right thing to do.

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Speaker 1: I understand it was the only way to put sand

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Speaker 2: I mean, I have to feel in my house, and

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Speaker 2: I'm still pro shutting down the government. You know, at

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, they're threatening to not pay

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Speaker 2: back pay. That just means that I ended up having

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Speaker 1: I too agree, but I also think, like, first of all,

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Speaker 1: it's the Trump administration, so they will threaten all the

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Speaker 1: say there, but we know they have to pay back pay.

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Speaker 1: It's just like you can keep Tom Holman with the

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Speaker 1: kava bag and the fifty thousand dollars for as long

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Speaker 2: Listening to a economist also talk about what Trump has

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Speaker 2: to face next week of his very rich friends calling

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Speaker 1: Personally, I just want to eat at kava I don't.

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Speaker 2: Know what it is, say said, no one is ever

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Speaker 2: You know, we call these places now slop bulls that

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Speaker 2: will settle for them for our lunch. As Like, either way,

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Speaker 2: really did question the kava bag for this, Like I

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Speaker 2: guess it was just the closest thing around. Like you know,

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Speaker 2: I feel like if you're handing that much money to Tomahole,

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Speaker 1: Give it to missus Holman. Ali Vitally, senior Capitol Hill

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Speaker 1: a quick note. MSNBC becomes ms NOW on November fifteenth.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Ali Vitally, so thrilled to

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Speaker 1: be back. I am so excited to have you here.

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Speaker 1: So it is the day after two women governors, one

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Speaker 1: Both these women way overperformed. They both did you know,

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Speaker 5: And you know that I come from this from the

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Speaker 5: I think the explanation for that in Virginia is because

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Speaker 5: a whole slew oft studies about how that changes the dynamics.

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Speaker 4: I've spent time with her on the hill.

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Speaker 4: There's always a mix.

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Speaker 1: Right now for sure. Yeah, this Spamberger race is interesting

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Speaker 1: So with Mikey that it was New Jersey Harris wanted

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Speaker 1: And that was the Kamala Harris playbook. Right, She's for

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's like one of the threads to follow

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Speaker 5: now maybe some places are more competitive than they once were.

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Speaker 5: I do think it's hard to compare. And this is

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Speaker 5: always where you end up talking to pollsters who are like, well,

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Speaker 5: we don't really know what we're mirroring against, and we

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Speaker 5: don't really know what the best correlation of the voter

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Speaker 5: set is. And all of that is true because every

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Speaker 5: election is different, but like, it's why what happened in California.

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Speaker 5: The redistricting measure being approved is so important because the

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Speaker 5: House race, the race for the House control is going

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Speaker 5: to be so so tight. It was decided by three

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Speaker 5: seats last time. You could argue those three seats that

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Speaker 5: were staying in Republican control came because North Carolina redistricted

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Speaker 5: and three Democrats lost their seats there. Right, that's the

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Speaker 5: Hakeem Jeffrey's explanation to me in the past and others,

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Speaker 5: And so the redistricting stuff really matters just for the

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Speaker 5: fact that California can now cancel out Texas and that

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Speaker 5: levels the playing field, even know it was a completely

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Speaker 5: on level playing field that started this whole fiasco in

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Speaker 5: the first place. Like, I want to be really clear,

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Speaker 5: I don't think midscycle redistricting is a good trend or

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Speaker 5: habit for any of us to get into.

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Speaker 1: Nobody wants it. It's where we're at. But you have

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Speaker 1: to fight fire with I mean, if you're gonna you

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Speaker 1: have to fight fire with fire.

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Speaker 5: Well completely because it's it's it's bringing a knife to

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Speaker 5: a gunfight, right, I mean that's the comparison that you

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Speaker 5: often hear.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk for one more minute about Cuomo

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Speaker 1: because one of the things that Trump two point zero

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Speaker 1: was was a backlash against me too. Right. It was like,

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Speaker 1: my man, he did a lot of stuff. It's not okay,

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Speaker 1: but we're he's still at least he's not a woman, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, who knows. They A lot of people voted

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Speaker 1: for a man who credibly had a long, long line

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Speaker 1: of accusers and who courts even said so I want again.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot going on in the New York

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Speaker 1: City mayoral. Zorin was young and charismatic and spoke to people.

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Speaker 1: I think in a way we have not had a

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Speaker 1: male we I mean, in a long time. But I

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Speaker 1: think there's an important bit about Cuomo there and about Democrats,

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Speaker 1: and I'd love you to talk.

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Speaker 6: Us through it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you and I I think have talked about the

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Speaker 5: way that I have been looking at these past few

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Speaker 5: years of political moments as backlashes to me too, And

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Speaker 5: I don't think we do enough to connect that singular

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Speaker 5: monument to the way that we are watching young men

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Speaker 5: feel demonized. And I understand where that demonization comes from, right.

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Speaker 5: I think that many of them who came of age

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Speaker 5: during COVID, during that time when we were grappling with

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Speaker 5: me too, are like the way I didn't do anything wrong.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but though those guys are now back, if you

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Speaker 1: look at the numbers like gen X, those guys suck

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Speaker 1: like whatever they're gone. Don't ever date those guys. But

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Speaker 1: the younger guys like my sons like those guys they're back,

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Speaker 1: and the women like I think the younger I mean

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Speaker 1: that talk about radicalized, you know. But anyway, yes, go on.

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Speaker 5: But that gender gap, right, is not just a gender

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Speaker 5: gap that we see show up in politics, though it

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Speaker 5: absolutely does time and again and will continue to. It's

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Speaker 5: also sort of a commentary on like where our society

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Speaker 5: has gone and where our sense of community will go. Right,

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Speaker 5: If women are finding that they are just on such

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Speaker 5: a completely different wavelength than the men that they are

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Speaker 5: supposed to partner with in heteronormative relationships, then where do

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Speaker 5: you go from there?

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Speaker 4: And I think that is such a mismatch.

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Speaker 5: And I also think both things can be true, right,

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Speaker 5: that there is an ongoing backlash to me too, and

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Speaker 5: that men in many cases have felt unfairly demonized. It

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Speaker 5: also feels patently unfair that women could be transparent, honest,

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Speaker 5: vulnerable and brave about their experience living in a world

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Speaker 5: that often feels dangerous and unsafe, and that there's just

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Speaker 5: an accepted backlash that because that makes men feel uncomfortable,

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Speaker 5: we should stop talking about that and change our tactics.

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Speaker 5: I think that is a really dangerous place for us

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Speaker 5: to live. And if this seems like kind of a

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Speaker 5: non sequord or conversation, again, I argue that the me

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Speaker 5: too backlash and the me too conversation is so intrinsically

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Speaker 5: linked into our politics, especially when you consider conversations in

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Speaker 5: the so called manisphere and the way that it continues

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Speaker 5: to sort of breede that toxic masculinity that we often

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Speaker 5: talk about when we talk about me too and what

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Speaker 5: has come since.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't think I think all of this

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Speaker 1: is really important. And you know, we've spent such a

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Speaker 1: long period of time obsessing about like young men and

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Speaker 1: how hard it is for young men and what's happened

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Speaker 1: to young men, and to not have the conversation about

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Speaker 1: young women I think is important, you know.

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Speaker 5: And if you look at the way and that young

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Speaker 5: women broke exit polls show that they were massive fire

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Speaker 5: power behind everyone from Mamdani to Cheryl Too, spam Band.

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Speaker 5: I think the lowest percentage and I can't remember who

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Speaker 5: got it, but it was something like eighty some odd percent.

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Speaker 5: So it's like, these are the people, these young women

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Speaker 5: are coming out and fueling candidacies. They are so important,

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Speaker 5: and you know, female rage there are deep histories that

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Speaker 5: have been written rightfully on the way that female rage

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Speaker 5: powers movements, and I think if we learn any lesson

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Speaker 5: it's that. But also the singular lesson to me from

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Speaker 5: the Tuesday elections is it's simple enough that you know

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Speaker 5: women win when you vote for them per.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, for sure, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Oh I love this conversation.

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Speaker 4: It made me so happy.

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Speaker 5: Can I Can I also say, though, too, like it

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Speaker 5: is why I am happy about being at MS now, right,

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Speaker 5: because these are the kinds of conversations that I you,

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Speaker 5: all of us, look, we're nerds, we love this stuff, right,

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Speaker 5: But like knowing that my reporting and my thoughts on

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Speaker 5: this are received by an audience that also spends as

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Speaker 5: much time speaking about this and wanting to understand and

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Speaker 5: metabolize it and as many as possible, I feel really lucky.

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Speaker 5: And I feel like we saw that reflected in our

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Speaker 5: election coverage last night. So that's a shameless plug for

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Speaker 5: me where we're at. But I'm so lucky that we

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Speaker 5: get to spend time you and I on the air

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Speaker 5: talking about this on Morning Joe on way too early

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Speaker 5: we are, and I feel grateful for that.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, we're friends. Thank you Ali Vitally, Thank you

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Speaker 1: Molly John. Fast Congressman Robert Garcia represents California's forty second

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Speaker 1: district and is the head of the Oversight Committee. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to Fast Politics.

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Speaker 3: Congressman Garcia, happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: We're talking the day after this twenty twenty five cycle,

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Speaker 1: which is an off here. It's like not an off

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Speaker 1: your election. It's like an off off off off.

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Speaker 6: Here election, right, but it was a pretty serious repudiation

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Speaker 6: of Trump and Trump is you are the ranking on oversight.

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Speaker 1: You have been one of the people sort of out

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Speaker 1: there being like, you know, you can't do a lot

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Speaker 1: of this shit. So it must be strange to wake

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Speaker 1: up and be you this morning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, honestly, it feel it feels great. And

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Speaker 3: I was saying, like, it feels like Democrats and progressive

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Speaker 3: movements is back, and you know, we have been struggling.

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Speaker 3: I think rightly so after a big presidential loss, one

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Speaker 3: that had the stakes so high, when you have Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump on the other side of it, and to see

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Speaker 3: the country just usher in not just new leadership but

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Speaker 3: expand the tent. I have to emphasize the fact that

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Speaker 3: we could elect on the same night, both a Zoron

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Speaker 3: and Abigail and two very different political perspectives, but both

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Speaker 3: running with our party support, both having huge wins. I

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Speaker 3: think paves a future where we've got to be a

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Speaker 3: coalition party again and we can do that. And I

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Speaker 3: think I got to also give some credit to Ken

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Speaker 3: Martin at the DNC. I think he has been wisely

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Speaker 3: in the last few months investing in these races and

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Speaker 3: ensuring that we support all Democrats, and I think it's

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Speaker 3: paying off.

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Speaker 1: I do think both Ken Martin and Gavin Newsom have

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Speaker 1: taken a lot of shit. You know, there's been the

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Speaker 1: last year has just been a lot of repudiations of

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Speaker 1: everybody all the time. But Gavin, it feels like a

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Speaker 1: much more clear story. So I'd love you to talk

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Speaker 1: us through sort of Prop fifty the decision there, what

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Speaker 1: you think it means. I know there was definitely just

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Speaker 1: the fact that they were doing this was a huge

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Speaker 1: morale push for a lot of Democrats.

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Speaker 3: First, I think people need to people to really get

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Speaker 3: and understand like the kind of person that Gavin Newsom is,

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Speaker 3: and he's obviously been a fixture in our state for

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Speaker 3: a long time. Governor, former lieutenant governor, mayor San Francisco,

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Speaker 3: just I mean an executive, someone that has a strong opinions.

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Speaker 3: I've never been shy about pushing big, bold ideas, has

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Speaker 3: passed numerous big statewide propositions, and so rank obviously you

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Speaker 3: know he when when confronted with what's going on, he

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Speaker 3: made a decision to go all in and honestly put

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Speaker 3: his reputation on the line, his political future also on

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Speaker 3: the line.

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Speaker 1: Right because what this prop I just want to be

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Speaker 1: clipped for just the four people who don't who don't

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Speaker 1: live and die by this. So Texas decided to give

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump ten five seats. Now, the only way for

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Speaker 1: California to do that would be to have a special election.

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Speaker 1: There was no election planned with a ballot initiative, and

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Speaker 1: to put it all together in two months, and knew

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Speaker 1: some did.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right, and you know it looks so so

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Speaker 3: seamless today post win. But this was complicated. Yeah. Not

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Speaker 3: only did the governor essentially he raised I mean one

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Speaker 3: hundred million plus campaign that he put together was because

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Speaker 3: he made it happen right, team ran the measure, he

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Speaker 3: fundraised for it. He kept the California delegation together. He

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Speaker 3: then had to get it through the legislature, who had

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Speaker 3: very diverse opinions about what it should look like, and

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Speaker 3: then he got people across the country to get on board.

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Speaker 3: This was and he wisely made it a reaction right

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Speaker 3: a moment to take on what Texas was doing Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump was doing with bringing the map for twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 3: and he once again took a big risk. There's a

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Speaker 3: big idea, but it paid off of mentally, the one

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Speaker 3: kind of untold benefit the people aren't talking about. Everyone

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Speaker 3: keeps saying, oh, you're going to you know, these five

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Speaker 3: seats are in play, absolutely, but we had swing seats

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Speaker 3: in California that gone back and forth depending on the election.

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Speaker 3: Those are now off the table. And so while a

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Speaker 3: lot of people are going to focus on these five seats, great,

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Speaker 3: you now have another four seats, five seats that were

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Speaker 3: toss ups that were essentially basically you know, possibly DEM

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Speaker 3: seats that are now becoming solid DEM seats.

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Speaker 1: Tell us what those are.

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Speaker 3: So, for example, let's he takes seats like an Orange county,

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Speaker 3: for example, like Michael Levin, Dave Min, Derek Tran the county.

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Speaker 3: Now are these are Democratic seats you've got seats now

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Speaker 3: like Josh Harder, who was in a much more tossup district.

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Speaker 3: He's in a solid Democratic seat, and so these are

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Speaker 3: incumbents that are now being protected. We don't have to

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Speaker 3: spend the immense resources it takes to win a seat

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Speaker 3: in California, and now we can. Honestly, there are two

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Speaker 3: targeted seats now in California. We're going to go after

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Speaker 3: those seats. And it's a good day for our state.

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Speaker 3: And I'll say this, every governor should be taking their

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Speaker 3: accused right now from what we're doing in California and

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Speaker 3: what we did. And I think it's a shame to

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Speaker 3: see some of them kind of like inch their way

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Speaker 3: to the solution and the solutions right in front of them.

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Speaker 1: Gavin did really do. That was bold action, and a

656
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Speaker 1: lot of people on the right were saying that if

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Speaker 1: this didn't work, it was the end of Gavin Newsom's

658
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Speaker 1: political career because he is turned out in twenty six.

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Speaker 3: That's right. I would never count out Gavin. Look, he's

660
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Speaker 3: he's a friend, he's the one that a mentor I respect,

661
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Speaker 3: but I also he's probably our sharpest political mind. He's

662
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Speaker 3: also a political person that understands campaigns, and I think

663
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Speaker 3: that is he governs. He's aggressive, he takes risks, and

664
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Speaker 3: he's proving in this moment that to take on Donald Trump,

665
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 3: you got to play, you know, in that same sandbox.

666
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 3: And he pushes back the way, he takes him down

667
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Speaker 3: the way, he's not afraid to get in his face.

668
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Speaker 3: I think that's what the country wants and needs.

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Speaker 1: It certainly feels like it's what the county country wants.

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Speaker 1: There's sort of interesting wrinkle here. I mean, I'm sure

671
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Speaker 1: you saw this reporting that Trump was in the room

672
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Speaker 1: with the senators when they lost and he was like,

673
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Speaker 1: you now have to nuke the filibuster. I mean, there's

674
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Speaker 1: clearly going to be a lot of blame here. I

675
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Speaker 1: want you to talk about this idea that maybe the

676
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: redistricting may actually hurt Trump.

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Speaker 3: I think that's right. I think they're also realizing there

678
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 3: are some news coming out of like Kansas, for example,

679
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: that the legis like, you're there, is now rethinking whether.

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Speaker 1: They can't do it right. Didn't they lose?

681
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the numbers were so overwhelming. Yeah, I think that

682
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 3: you're going to have some stage, we think their position

683
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: because in a blue wave year, we might be able

684
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Speaker 3: to win many more of these seats that may have

685
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 3: not been winnable in another election. So I think I

686
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: think this could end up actually causing a lot more

687
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 3: damage to Donald Trump than he expected. I think his

688
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 3: efforts in Texas are where things are starting to push back.

689
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Speaker 3: You saw Wes Moore and Maryland. New York is moving

690
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 3: forward on a plan. Illinois is having conversations with Governor pritzkare.

691
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: I think there are some real robust conversations happening about

692
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Speaker 3: moving forward. And I think, you know, I think all

693
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Speaker 3: governors need to be engaged at this moment, do whatever

694
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Speaker 3: they can to get these seats. We have to fight

695
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 3: as aggressively as the MAGA, right. There's just no other

696
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Speaker 3: way of doing it.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I saw, and you're going

698
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Speaker 1: to be on the forefront of this, I take no

699
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: pleasure to tell you, is all of the MAGA influencers

700
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: were like it's rigged. They were like, you saw a

701
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: new Jersey moving leftward, the idea that somehow this was

702
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: not just like people don't like troops in the streets,

703
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: they don't like giving tax cuts to billionaires, they don't

704
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 1: like Elon Musk cutting their Grandma's Medicare. But Maga world

705
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: is definitely gonna. I mean, there's only one word when

706
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Speaker 1: they lose an election, and it's rigged.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right. And I think you know it's dangerous

708
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,959
Speaker 3: obviously to say every election is really like, I can't

709
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Speaker 3: tell you right now. In California, I'm I've spent most

710
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Speaker 3: of the day responding and hearing from folks that are

711
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 3: you know, we got a Republicans here filing lawsuits claiming

712
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Speaker 3: that somehow Prop fifty was rigged, that the governor did

713
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: this or governor did that. I mean, it's just completely

714
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: ridiculous that when when Donald Trump doesn't win, it's rigged.

715
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just something that has happened. And I

716
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: think you know that they've got to be careful because

717
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 3: I think what's one thing to campaign saying you're going

718
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Speaker 3: to help working people and you're going to help latinos

719
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 3: and you're actually going to lower costs, and then people

720
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: actually see their bank accounts and they see the rents

721
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 3: going up, and they see the grocery costs that are

722
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Speaker 3: not going down, and you can scream and yell on

723
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 3: Fox News all day saying that Donald Trump is lowering

724
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 3: your costs. But when your costs actually are going up

725
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 3: and you're feeling it, then there's a disconnect. And I

726
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 3: think two things happened last night across the country that

727
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Speaker 3: are really important. One is this idea that what's happening

728
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 3: on the ground. People stopped the misinformation machine that was

729
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: geared up for these elections in California and New Jersey,

730
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Speaker 3: SAMEUS information that was kind of happening on the last

731
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Speaker 3: presidential around about what was the economy and what was

732
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Speaker 3: going on. It didn't really work and it didn't connect

733
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Speaker 3: because people went with what they're feeling. People went with

734
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 3: the promises that Trump made didn't deliver on. My costs

735
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: are still going up, and so I think that was

736
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Speaker 3: a win for kind of truth and the media environment changing.

737
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Speaker 3: I think the amount of new media and YouTube ages

738
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Speaker 3: and podcasts that have kind of been uplifted and created

739
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Speaker 3: in the last year and a couple of years. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the new media landscape or progressives is changing. We are

741
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Speaker 3: beginning to push and catch up, and I think that's

742
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Speaker 3: gonna be really important and I saw that play out,

743
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Speaker 3: especially here in California. The second thing that people didn't

744
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Speaker 3: know about last night is the Latino vote. Yeah, I

745
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 3: was watching this very carefully. If you look at the

746
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Speaker 3: precinct with large Latino populations at New Jersey or in California,

747
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 3: all of the games that Trump made were erased, not

748
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 3: just erased, they moved beyond actually what we weren't expecting.

749
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Speaker 3: And so the question about whether Latinas were going to

750
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Speaker 3: permanently stick with Republicans I think was partly answered last night.

751
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Speaker 3: And without that kind of growing Latino coalition, Republicans are

752
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Speaker 3: going to have a hard time winning in twenty six

753
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Speaker 3: and twenty eight. So that was very good used last night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, who could have seen that having a

755
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Speaker 1: militia force target Latinos, have the Supreme Court say it's

756
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Speaker 1: okay Kavanaugh stops would turn Latino voters. Who could have

757
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Speaker 1: seen that?

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right? And and I've shared these, you know,

759
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Speaker 3: two quick stories, one of my one of someone in

760
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Speaker 3: my family who voted for Trump. Another one is a

761
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Speaker 3: local business person I know really well, Barbara, what it

762
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 3: for Trump? Good people, you know, great guys, both you

763
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Speaker 3: know my little group of focus group. I've talked to

764
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: them extensively, and both regret their vote. Both are horrified

765
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: about what Trump is doing with ice to people on

766
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 3: the street, and both feel betrayed and Latinos across this

767
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Speaker 3: country that voted for Trump that maybe were had there

768
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Speaker 3: was appeal to that working class kind of you know,

769
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Speaker 3: with GisMo that that maybe Trump shared and and and

770
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Speaker 3: and and kind of represented. That's that's going away a

771
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Speaker 3: little bit, and I think that's a good thing for

772
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Speaker 3: the country.

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Speaker 1: The government is still shut down. It's now the I

774
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: think it's longest shutdown ever. Yeah, and it's still shut down.

775
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump wants to kill the felibuster. That's his very

776
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Speaker 1: into solving problems. What does it look like Mike johnson

777
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: house is still out? Do you think Mike Johnson is

778
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Speaker 1: handling this well? What's the next move here? You know,

779
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Speaker 1: you have Sean Duffy saying that errows. You know that

780
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Speaker 1: they're not you're not going to be able to fly.

781
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Speaker 1: I mean, where are we here?

782
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Speaker 3: It's simple first, I mean, Mike Johnson has kept this

783
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Speaker 3: government shut down for over a month, and the Republicans

784
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 3: have been on vacation. Democrats have been in DC on

785
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: I've been in d C every week, checking in being

786
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 3: in DC, meeting with our caucus and Republicans have been

787
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 3: nowhere to be found. They're around the country doing god

788
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 3: knows what, waiting for orders from Donald Trump. And our

789
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 3: position from day one has been the right one, which

790
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 3: has been is that we will not support a Trump

791
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Speaker 3: budget that allows healthcare costs to go up and skyrocket

792
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Speaker 3: for the American public. And people are now starting to

793
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 3: get those letters and those messages from their care providers,

794
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 3: and they're seeing, because we're getting the calls, they're seeing

795
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 3: their healthcare costs are going up or going to go

796
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 3: up next year. That is not a position that Republicans

797
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 3: want to be able to defend. And so we're saying,

798
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Speaker 3: extend the support for the Affordable Care Act, keep cost low,

799
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Speaker 3: and stop giving tax breaks to billionaires. And I think

800
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Speaker 3: that's been a winning argument with the American public. And

801
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 3: so from a shutdown perspective, I think Johnson knows that

802
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 3: we're not going to cave. Senate Democrats have done a

803
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: good job of holding tight. I hope they still do so,

804
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: and we've got to get concessions out of Trump and

805
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 3: Mike Johnson. And if Donald Trump wants to end the shutdown,

806
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 3: he could do it tomorrow. He should extend and support

807
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Speaker 3: the Affordable Care Act and reopen the government. It's not hard.

808
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Speaker 1: At some point, Mike Johnson will have to bring you

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Speaker 1: all back. And then there's also this discharge petition, which

810
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: like she doesn't want to swear in this congresswoman Griava, right,

811
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Speaker 1: and it's been a month now, But just like it

812
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Speaker 1: seems that's very stupid to me, Like it feels like

813
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Speaker 1: he's making the situation worse for himself because like if

814
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Speaker 1: he swears her in, you guys sign the discharge petition,

815
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Speaker 1: it goes to the Senate. They kill it in the Senate.

816
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Speaker 1: So like there's no world in which this administration is

817
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Speaker 1: like going to release the Epstein files. Like that's not happening.

818
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Speaker 1: So but in this it feels like so obvious and

819
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Speaker 1: he's just obfuscating or am I missing something?

820
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Speaker 3: No, I mean, it's it's bad politics. It's also just

821
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Speaker 3: the wrong thing to do. He was elected by over

822
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Speaker 3: eight hundred thousand constituents and you denying her, I mean,

823
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 3: she's this is the longest period of time where a

824
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Speaker 3: member of Congress hasn't been sat into the body. I mean,

825
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 3: it's completely ridiculous. Yeah, And I think what he's realizing

826
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Speaker 3: is that they're not winning the argument, and they truly

827
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Speaker 3: didn't win it last night and so on election night,

828
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Speaker 3: and so we're gonna get brought back soon. I think

829
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Speaker 3: it's going to hopefully be a deal to be made

830
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Speaker 3: there at leite, this should be sat already. What Mike

831
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Speaker 3: Johnson doesn't want with the EPSTEIN files is he knows

832
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Speaker 3: that there's gonna be a huge break in his caucus.

833
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Speaker 3: So if this thing goes to a in the House,

834
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Speaker 3: and EUS is just the House, there is going to

835
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Speaker 3: be a large chunk of Republicans that are going to

836
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Speaker 3: vote for this bill.

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Speaker 1: And that's like Massy, That's like Marjorie Taylor Green, That's.

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Speaker 3: Like yeah, that's and I think a lot of others

839
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Speaker 3: that don't want to be on record not supporting the release.

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Speaker 3: I mean, when you spend you know, after the campaigns,

841
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Speaker 3: and you're going to release the EPSOM files as a

842
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Speaker 3: member of Congress, and then you have a time to

843
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 3: vote on it and you vote no, it's pretty easy

844
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Speaker 3: to be voted against releasing the EPSOM files. Yeah, you're

845
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Speaker 3: gonna have a big chunk of them vote to release them.

846
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Speaker 3: And I think Mike Johnson doesn't want to see that.

847
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Speaker 3: And Trump would be furious again at Johnson and.

848
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Speaker 1: This idea that he's going to be able to press

849
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Speaker 1: pressure soon to end the filibuster. I mean that strikes

850
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Speaker 1: me as and then he's fighting with Lindsay Graham. I mean,

851
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: do you think that's real? And do you think that happens?

852
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Speaker 3: I don't. I mean I think, I mean, THEO has

853
00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 3: been pretty vocal about his position. I I just don't

854
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 3: see that moving. I don't know that last night Trump

855
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 3: and jeared himself to many more people after last night.

856
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 3: That's loss. I mean, he certainly tanked a lot of

857
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Speaker 3: the chances of Republicans had across the country. Didn't help

858
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Speaker 3: in New Jersey at all by some of his late actions. Certainly,

859
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 3: Andrew Cuomo didn't have a great night, thinks part to

860
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Speaker 3: Donald Thomp's last last minute endorsement.

861
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Speaker 1: Though he did win.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I think he won Staten Island.

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Speaker 3: He went Staten Island, Yeah, exactly, you know, good good

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Speaker 3: for him, and what a great win for for Zorn

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Speaker 3: and I think the country and it's going to be

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Speaker 3: pretty incredible to watch, you know, the next the next

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Speaker 3: few weeks and months there, I think the whole I

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Speaker 3: don't think Flood's gonna cabin a filibuster. I think that

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Speaker 3: within within a week we're going to have some type

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Speaker 3: of deal on the table, as it should. I mean,

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Speaker 3: people need their paychecks, people need access to the food.

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Speaker 3: This has got to end in Republicans. We've got to

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Speaker 3: get back to work.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things, because you are ranking on Oversight,

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Speaker 1: you are like sort of the only person stopping Trump.

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Speaker 1: I mean, your crew is sort of the only people

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Speaker 1: trying to stop Trump from doing a lot of this

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Speaker 1: stuff like demolishing the East Wang, et cetera, putting up

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Speaker 1: new signs on the Oval Office, but also more seriously,

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Speaker 1: like having a crazy militia. What can you legitimately do

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Speaker 1: to put sand in the gears here?

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Speaker 3: I think we're doing a with the powers that we have.

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Speaker 3: I'm really proud actually of the over Sec Committee. I

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Speaker 3: told the caucus, you know, during the process of the

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Speaker 3: election for the for the position, I said, look, we're

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Speaker 3: gonna goal to like model what being in the fight

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Speaker 3: looks like, and for all of our committees in the Congress,

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Speaker 3: all of our committees in the Congress should be in

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Speaker 3: the fight every fucking day, like just as you throw

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Speaker 3: as much at the administration as possible. And we've had

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Speaker 3: some success. I mean, we have taken issues to the courts.

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Speaker 3: We've supported lawsuits that have actually that have used our

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Speaker 3: work to make the case, you know, in front of

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Speaker 3: the courts, which has been great to see. We have

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Speaker 3: advanced more on the Epstein's files than folks thought possible

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Speaker 3: by actually getting some of the documents and the notes

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Speaker 3: and the subpoenas breaking out. I mean, Alex, what's what

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Speaker 3: the new revelations about alex Acosta. Now he's clearly not

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Speaker 3: telling the truth, and there's a there's a lot that

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Speaker 3: is developing there. And then I think our work, for example,

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Speaker 3: around ICE and DHS, we're we're chronically all the injustice

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Speaker 3: and the unconstitutional actions and the violations of due process,

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Speaker 3: which is important to keep records of because we are

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Speaker 3: I told everyone, we are not going to allow you know,

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Speaker 3: at this moment, for for just for the people in

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Speaker 3: this country, particularly young people, to think that what's happening

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Speaker 3: now is okay. At some point we're going to have

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Speaker 3: to stand up and say what happened was not okay,

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Speaker 3: and this is how we are going to address what

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Speaker 3: what what these people did, and how we're going to

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Speaker 3: hold these people accountable so that is that is also

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Speaker 3: going to be really important. Every action that Trump administration takes,

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Speaker 3: they have to note that we are going to document it,

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Speaker 3: We're going to call it out, We're going to ask questions,

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Speaker 3: and we're asking questions of private industry. So you know,

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Speaker 3: sure Trump doesn't want to work with us on the

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Speaker 3: honors to the ballroom, but you could you best believe

919
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Speaker 3: when we're sending letters to all those companies, they know

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Speaker 3: that Donald Trump's not going to be the president forever.

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Speaker 3: I'm very aware that we likely will win the majority back.

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Speaker 3: And we win the majority back, they better respond to

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Speaker 3: the subpoenas that we're going to send, and if we're

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Speaker 3: ask them to contestify, they will be coming to answer

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Speaker 3: our questions. And so I think that the American you know,

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Speaker 3: particularly the business community that is working in some cases

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Speaker 3: to appease Trump, including some in the media, I think

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Speaker 3: have to be unnoticed. So true.

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Speaker 1: Robert Garcia, thank you, thank you, thank you the moment.

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Speaker 2: Jesse Gannon, One of the things I think about is that,

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Speaker 2: you know, when Trump was coming into office, a lot

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Speaker 2: of our hypothesis this time last year were that, like

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Speaker 2: RFK was going to run this crazy, crazy place that

934
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Speaker 2: was run on ideological grounds of his kooky ideology, and

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Speaker 2: Trump was going to grift to bribe and make himself rich.

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Speaker 2: But now what we see is we read that TeV Frog.

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Speaker 2: The FDA under our FK is just doing the same

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Speaker 2: crodi capitalism shit that the Trump administration's doing.

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Speaker 1: RFK Junior not all that different than Donald J. Trump.

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Speaker 2: Two grifts of a different feather, right.

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Speaker 1: Both men are two tan, both men are a little

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Speaker 1: bit charismatic, and both men completely utterly and totally are

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Speaker 1: crimy criminals who do crime. I don't know. Look, it's

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Speaker 1: a clown show. If we have a pandemic, we are

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Speaker 1: all fucked, I mean, and just completely disastrous. Here are

946
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Speaker 1: the details. FDA regulator accused of using physician to extract

947
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Speaker 1: revenge on an old business associate. This sounds just like

948
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Speaker 1: Trump World. An extortion attempt, a petty years long grudge

949
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Speaker 1: sounds like Ronald Trump. Shocking social media posts and ominous

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Speaker 1: text messages make up the latest scandal at the Food

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Speaker 1: and Drug Administration. So it turns out what they meant

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Speaker 1: by make America healthy again was just let people do

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Speaker 1: crazy shit to each other under the guise of the

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Speaker 1: United States government. The latest scandal is an agency that

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Speaker 1: industry outsiders are calling a quote clown show and a

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Speaker 1: soap opera. Imagine how bad it has to be to

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Speaker 1: be considered more clowny than the DoD Or had. Let's

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Speaker 1: see the abrupt dismantling of the whole program in divisions.

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Speaker 1: Teams that provide critical health services to Americans are being

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Speaker 1: just wiped away. Senecon Firmed directors didn't make it a

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Speaker 1: full month before dramatically ousted after allegedly refused to rubber

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Speaker 1: vaccine recommendations. We saw her testify that was pretty harrowing.

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Speaker 1: So the CDC is in shambles. FDA has turned into

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Speaker 1: something of a side show, with concern mounting that we

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Speaker 1: are all going to die. I just added that, but

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Speaker 1: it's really true. Basically, a lot of people in rfks

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Speaker 1: orbit are like sleazy, multi level marketing kind of people, right,

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Speaker 1: that's like.

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Speaker 2: The charitable read of some of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, they're health influencers, they're you know, they're

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Speaker 1: not doctors. None of us is above board. Let's just say,

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Speaker 1: but some of the people who made it into this

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Speaker 1: group are like COVID truthers, people who got where they

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Speaker 1: are because they were anti lockdown, anti vaccine, that kind

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Speaker 1: of thing. So one of them is this top vaccine regulator.

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Speaker 1: He is a chief medical officer, and he made a

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Speaker 1: name for himself on social media during the pandemic as

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Speaker 1: a COVID nineteen response skeptic. Since joining the FDA, he's

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Speaker 1: been known for overwheeling agency scientists and sowing distrust, unrest,

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Speaker 1: and paranoia among staff. He was pushed out of the

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Speaker 1: agency in July, only to be reinstated two weeks later.

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Speaker 1: This is just a whole cavalcade of fuckery. That's it

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Speaker 1: and Saturday to hear the best minds and politics make

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Speaker 1: please send it to a friend and keep the conversation going.

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