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Speaker 1: welcome to the buck Sexton Show. This is Ben Weinegarten

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Speaker 1: in four buck Sexton, appreciate you taking the time to

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Speaker 1: in for Buck Sexton. I filled in several times in

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Speaker 1: comes out of the end of February. And this may

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Speaker 1: we're in the midst now of a whole bunch of

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Speaker 1: different major debates over national security and foreign policy, this

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Speaker 1: not because of the specifics, but because of the broader significance.

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Speaker 1: There's some goings on in immigration that you're really not

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Speaker 1: And then, oh, yeah, yesterday the President just signed the

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Speaker 1: on Iran policy and the Trump Middle East policy more broadway,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk with the great Professor John Eastman about all

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Speaker 1: things immigration, insanity, and some sanity as well. And then

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Speaker 1: last but not LEAs, we'll also talk with Peter Navarro,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Peter Navarro of the Trump administration, one of the

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Speaker 1: so called hawks on China, to talk about this deal,

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Speaker 1: put it in its greater context, tell us a little

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Speaker 1: as I've talked about in this program before, China is

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Speaker 1: the greatest threat to our liberty. It is a communist

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Speaker 1: power by definition, and it is not a communist power

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Speaker 1: and not just regionally but globally. And if it'stalitarian power

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Speaker 1: wants to be the dominant world power, necessarily that means

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Speaker 1: Democrats standing with Russia and China and Iran and hear

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Speaker 1: if you remember when Trump was portrayed as the reckless cowboy,

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Speaker 1: Why is it that the Democrats stand with all of

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Speaker 1: last hundred years, hundred years, Democrats have been the ones appeasing, bribing, coddling,

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Speaker 1: the impeachment managers had Keem Jeffreys, Congressman from New York.

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Speaker 1: out Caseem Solomani, who I always refer to and I

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Speaker 1: Iran and its molocracy, and we should separate by the

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Speaker 1: that we heard about in Egypt, which was freedom for

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Speaker 1: region by undermining America's allies. And he was also putting

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Speaker 1: a noose around the neck of Israel. So getting rid

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Speaker 1: of him was just in that respect, was fantastic. But

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Speaker 1: are taking orders from Tehran. But when those militias would

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Speaker 1: behave and misbehave, we would always we would always respond

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Speaker 1: weekly against the militias, as if we didn't know that

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Speaker 1: not playing that game anymore. I'm not going to play

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Speaker 1: this game on your terms. I know you're in charge,

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Speaker 1: That's a strategic shift by US policy. And it's amazing

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Speaker 1: the effect that has had in a very short period

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Speaker 1: of time, because now all of a sudden, Trump has

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Speaker 1: cut i Ran down to size. It. Ran is not

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Speaker 1: And Trump has shown no, Actually, you're a small week

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Speaker 1: power and we are a superpower. And if you bite

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Speaker 1: the in the teeth, which is exactly what he did.

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Speaker 1: And everyone in the region sees that, and they're all

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Speaker 1: reacting to it. So we have reinvigoration of the of

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Speaker 1: among other things. I mean, everyone, everyone in the region

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Speaker 1: United States. And if I could just make one last

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Speaker 1: one really particularly stands out, and that's Al Mohandas, who

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Speaker 1: because Sulimani was so huge, But the effect of this

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Speaker 1: the relationship it had under the shaw Um, And it

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Speaker 1: has been telling itself since Reagan. I on hundred percent

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Speaker 1: But actually he was. It was true, he didn't He

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Speaker 1: didn't know that he had done that because the goal

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Speaker 1: of sending the arms to the Iranians was during the

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Speaker 1: Iran Iraq War, and their military was supplied by it

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Speaker 1: was all American equipment. They need spare parts. The goal

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Speaker 1: was not to give them spare parts. The goal was

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Speaker 1: to use the delivery of the spare parts to find

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Speaker 1: the moderates in Tehran with whom we could talk so

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Speaker 1: we can get back to the old relationship that we

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Speaker 1: used to have. So this is a bipartisan American dream.

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Speaker 1: It is. It is. It's stronger today on the left

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Speaker 1: than it is on the right. But you can find

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Speaker 1: it in the Republican sphere as well. And it is

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Speaker 1: the source of these letters that I believe. We won't

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Speaker 1: know until they're declassified, if they ever will be, but

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Speaker 1: that's the source of the letters that I believe. I

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Speaker 1: presume that Obama sent the Obama administration sent to Solomany.

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Speaker 1: The Obama administration believed that Solo that the US and

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Speaker 1: Iran shared a couple of key vital interests. One was

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Speaker 1: the stability of Iraq, and two was fighting isis. I

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Speaker 1: don't we don't need to go into details. I don't

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Speaker 1: agree with either of those presumptions, but they're very um

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Speaker 1: they're very deep in the foreign policy establishment. That we

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Speaker 1: have overlapping interests with Iran, and if we just show

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Speaker 1: the Iranians that we're not hostile to them, then we

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Speaker 1: can unlinlock the potential for cooperation that the shared interests represent.

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Speaker 1: This Ben Wangarnin for Buck Sexon. We're back with Mike Duran.

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Speaker 1: Just after this, you're in the Freedom Line. This is

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Speaker 1: the Buck Sexton Show podcast. This Ben Wangarnin for Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexon on the Buck Sexon Show, and we're back with

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Speaker 1: Mike Duran talking about Iran Middle East policy more broadway.

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Speaker 1: We only have a couple of minutes here, Mike, and

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about the sea change that has transpired,

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Speaker 1: not just with Iran but with the Middle East. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: it's definitely heard by the North Koreans. I'm sure it's

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Speaker 1: heard in Beijing as well. A couple sort of fundamental questions. One,

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Speaker 1: extent it was to fall tomorrow? Do you believe the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration has devised contingency plans so that America's national

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Speaker 1: interest is best served should that happen, I don't know

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Speaker 1: how weak it is. The simple answer is, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm very reluctant to say that that a regime is

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Speaker 1: going to fall. You know, I watched the Syrian regime

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Speaker 1: very closely, and you know, everyone predicted it was going

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Speaker 1: to fall weeks, months, whatever, and it never did. And

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Speaker 1: of course the Russians stepped in to help it. You know,

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Speaker 1: if it looked like Tehran was really about to collapse completely,

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise me. If we solve the Chinese and

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Speaker 1: the Russians get involved, we may or we may not.

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Speaker 1: Um uh so Uh, it's clearly. The one thing you

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Speaker 1: can say for sure is that it has a legitimacy

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Speaker 1: crisis of the likes of which it has never seen before.

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Speaker 1: The vast majority of Iranians do not regard it, you know,

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Speaker 1: this coercive apparatus that people, you know, it's willing to

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Speaker 1: shoot people who want to topple it. And uh and

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Speaker 1: some significant percentage of the population feels that their livelihood,

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Speaker 1: I thought their lives are bound up in the continuation

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Speaker 1: know how long can it limp along like this? I'm

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Speaker 1: really not I'm really not sure. Does the US have

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Speaker 1: contingency plans? I would uh, you know, you never know,

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Speaker 1: but I would doubt it, just because I don't think

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration was thinking. You know, it hasn't had

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Speaker 1: the Its goal has not been to topple the regime.

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Speaker 1: It's goal has been to weaken the regime in order

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Speaker 1: but by just a little bit of strategic application of

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Speaker 1: American force, Trump has shown the regime to be weaker

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Speaker 1: than I think most people thought it was. And so

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Speaker 1: now all of a sudden we have this question about, well,

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Speaker 1: to those who say, lastly, to those who say that

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Speaker 1: by the way, I ran as a threat China is

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Speaker 1: the greatest nation state threat to American liberty. And they say, well,

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Speaker 1: you have this massive power that's looming, What is your

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Speaker 1: best argument to them that no, we actually do have

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Speaker 1: an interest in the Middle East in general, in an

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Speaker 1: i Ran situation, that is, in America's a national interest

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Speaker 1: in particular, given the sort of greater challenges that loom

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Speaker 1: over the short, medium and long term. I think it's

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Speaker 1: all about China. Actually, what's gonna what's going to happen

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Speaker 1: if we're not ter, is that China is going to

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Speaker 1: come in and become the primary supporter, or maybe China

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Speaker 1: and Russia together of the Iranian regime. The Iranian regime's

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Speaker 1: immediate goal is to drive the United States out of

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Speaker 1: the Persian Gulf and to take over control, not necessarily

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Speaker 1: absolute ownership, but control of the vast oil resources of

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Speaker 1: the Gulf. That's what it wants. The target of the

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Speaker 1: Iranians is Saudi Arabia. They want to take over, They

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Speaker 1: want to control the oil resources of the Gulf, and

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Speaker 1: then the Iranians themselves see themselves as the leaders of

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Speaker 1: the Islamic world. They want to take over the holy

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Speaker 1: sites in Saudi Arabia. Now, if if China and its

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Speaker 1: ally Iran, if they were to allie together or Russia,

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Speaker 1: China and Iran as a block, then and control the

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Speaker 1: oil resources of the Gulf then they control the oil

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Speaker 1: resources of Europe and they'll start using that privileged position

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Speaker 1: as the main provider of oil to Europe to start

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Speaker 1: weakening the US European bond, and we would have one

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Speaker 1: dominant power on the Eurasian landmasks China, and that's where

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Speaker 1: we want to avoid. We want to avoid China just

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Speaker 1: completely owning all of Eurasia. That's not good for democracy

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Speaker 1: in America. We've been speaking with Mike Duran, a senior

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Speaker 1: the finest minds when it comes to US national security

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Speaker 1: and foreign policy. Mike, thanks so much for coming on

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Speaker 1: the program. Thank you. Ben was a pleasure Pleasures Online.

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Speaker 1: And this is Ben Weingarten in buck Sexton on The

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Speaker 1: This is Ben Weinegarten in four Buck Sexton. And the

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Speaker 1: big news yesterday beyond the impeachment tarade, which you've already

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Speaker 1: talked about, is that the Trump administration signed a monumental

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Speaker 1: Phase one trade deal with China, And we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit later in the hour with one

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Speaker 1: of those who was most influential in pushing this administration

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Speaker 1: and representing this administration's tough line on the Chinese Communist

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Speaker 1: Party regime, a tougher line than has ever been pushed

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Speaker 1: since we formally open relations with China, really beginning with

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Speaker 1: Nixon back in seventy two, which has been, in my view,

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Speaker 1: the most fundamental, most most important, long term, critical and

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Speaker 1: monumental change in US national security and foreign policy. To

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Speaker 1: recognize the nature of the China competition, the China threat,

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Speaker 1: China's adversarial nature, and actually begin to turn the ship

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Speaker 1: of state around because we haven't aided about it, enabled

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Speaker 1: emboldened this malevolent Chinese Communist Party for decades. To put

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Speaker 1: that deal in context, I think we need to talk

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Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party regime, because the nature of the regime,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, is what matters even

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Speaker 1: more sometimes than what the words are on a piece

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Speaker 1: of paper. And you could say the same thing, for example,

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Speaker 1: with the quote unquote I ran nuclear deal which we

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Speaker 1: discussed in part already. You can't have a deal with

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Speaker 1: the Mulas that they will abide by in any sense

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Speaker 1: unless they really feel that their livelihood is at stake

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Speaker 1: and the alternative is utter destruction. And not saying it's

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Speaker 1: analogous with China, but what I am saying is that

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Speaker 1: the regime matters above all else, whatever contingencies are, whatever

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Speaker 1: has been put in writing on paper, Honoring a deal

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Speaker 1: requires two honorable parties to it. And so you have

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Speaker 1: to understand this deal in context of that nature of

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Speaker 1: an expansionist, imperialist, frankly often malign, deceptive regime that is

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Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist Party regime. And so let's talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about what their true core aims are. Their

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Speaker 1: true core aim are expand their totalitarian rule so that

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Speaker 1: first of all, the Chinese Communist Party can survive in perpetuity,

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Speaker 1: and second that it can put forth its prerogatives and

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Speaker 1: impose them upon their own people, those in their near

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Speaker 1: abroad quote unquotes, and that includes Taiwan, that includes Hong Kong,

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Speaker 1: that includes others as well, and ultimately expand their power

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Speaker 1: so that they're not just the regional hegemon but the

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Speaker 1: global hegemon and what would that mean. I mean that

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Speaker 1: China is not only rich, strong, and powerful, but that

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Speaker 1: every other nation effectively bends to China's rule. And the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration has spoken quite openly and honestly about the

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Speaker 1: nature of this regime. The human rights violations that this

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Speaker 1: regime has engaged in are impactful. Not because human rights

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Speaker 1: are necessarily the number one American interest when it comes

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Speaker 1: to foreign powers and how we best deal with them.

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Speaker 1: We have to deal with the world as it is,

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Speaker 1: not as we wish it to be, but because it

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Speaker 1: tells you something about the way China, the Chinese Communist

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Speaker 1: Party rules its own people, and how it will ultimately

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Speaker 1: treat others as its power expands and its ability to

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Speaker 1: project that power expands globally through things like One Belt,

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Speaker 1: One Road and other initiatives that we've spoken about in

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Speaker 1: prior episodes. There are stories of mass forced oregan harvesting

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Speaker 1: for prisoners. There's a one child policy, which if you

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Speaker 1: don't know about, I've written a review of an amazing,

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Speaker 1: harrowing documentary on the China's one child policy that, to

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Speaker 1: Amazon's credit, I believe is being distributed through Amazon, which

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Speaker 1: talks about the forced abortions, effectively the Chinese Communist Party

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Speaker 1: ripping children away from their parents and leaving them to

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Speaker 1: die on the roadsides unthinkable horrors. That's the Chinese Communist

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Speaker 1: Party turning the guns on the protesters in Hong Kong

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Speaker 1: and trying to force extradition so that China can effectively

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Speaker 1: take prisoner those who are supposed to be able to

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Speaker 1: live in the relatively free, although increasingly shrinking, relatively free

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Speaker 1: Hong Kong. The China is supposed to respect Taiwan. China's

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Speaker 1: threatened invasion of Taiwan. That's why we supply Taiwan with

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Speaker 1: sophisticated weaponry to deter China from seeking to quote unquote

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Speaker 1: reunify a part of China that's not theirs. Threatening foreign

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Speaker 1: ambassadors and other officials, threatening dissidents in the Chinese diaspora

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Speaker 1: around the world that they will potentially injure in prison

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Speaker 1: otherwise punish their families that are back on the mainland

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Speaker 1: should you speak out against the Chinese Communist Party abroad.

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Speaker 1: That's the nature of the regime that we're dealing with.

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Speaker 1: Two other recent stories caught my eye that really get

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Speaker 1: to the core of what the Chinese Communist Party is about.

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Speaker 1: Here's one headline I believe from life site News. Chinese

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Speaker 1: government demands Christians use religion to quote spread Communist Party principles.

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Speaker 1: Everything serves the Party, including religion. And by the way, religion,

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Speaker 1: of course, during the Cold War was considered by many

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Speaker 1: to be the antidote to the Soviet Union and its

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Speaker 1: expansionist ideology. So of course any competing worldview is going

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Speaker 1: to be something that if you're the Chinese authorities, you

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Speaker 1: have to clamp down on, because you cannot tower it,

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Speaker 1: any sort of descent, any sort of cracks in the

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Speaker 1: veneer that they've built. And by some measures, Christianity is

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Speaker 1: the fastest growing religion in China, with millions tens of millions,

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Speaker 1: if not hundreds of millions of members, and that's not

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Speaker 1: even necessarily including those who practice underground. So this is significant.

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Speaker 1: And the article says new draconian rules for religious groups

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Speaker 1: are set to go into place in China, requiring that

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Speaker 1: they spread Unist Party principles. China totalitarian government promulgated new

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Speaker 1: rules on December thirty that will place virtually all aspects

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Speaker 1: of religious life under the control of the Communist Party.

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Speaker 1: The Administrative measures consist of six chapters and forty one

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Speaker 1: articles governing the quote organization function, supervision and management of

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Speaker 1: religious groups, which would include religious doctrine, annual and daily activities,

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Speaker 1: and rallies. The new rules going to force on February

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Speaker 1: one and come as part of a growing crackdown by

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Speaker 1: Chinese Communists on religion, and many religious minorities have been persecuted.

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Speaker 1: We didn't talk about the biggest human rights violation of all,

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Speaker 1: which is the actual gulag twenty first century gulags that

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Speaker 1: have been constructed in the Shenjiang province where millions in

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Speaker 1: total of weager Muslim ethnic minorities reside, of which at

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Speaker 1: held in effectively modern day gulags because of their faith

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Speaker 1: under the guise of potentially posing a threat, a national

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Speaker 1: security threat, but in reality because they pose a threat

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Speaker 1: because they might believe something that conflicts with Chinese Communist

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Speaker 1: Party principles. But religion has to be bent to support

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Speaker 1: the party because the party resides above all else, and

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Speaker 1: if not, it has to be crushed with an iron fist.

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Speaker 1: And when you infringe upon someone's faith and their conscience,

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Speaker 1: that tells you a heck of a lot about the

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Speaker 1: nature of the authorities that you're dealing with now. In

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Speaker 1: some ways, I would argue it shows vigoity. If you

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Speaker 1: can't tolerate competing or dissenting views, then how strong can

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Speaker 1: you really be. On the other hand, the fact that

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Speaker 1: it a massive police state at apparatus in their social

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Speaker 1: credit scores where they govern how good of a citizen

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Speaker 1: you are based upon how closely you hue to Communist

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Speaker 1: party principles. It's scary that any government could have that power,

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Speaker 1: and that there boarding that technology to many of the

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Speaker 1: other malevolent regimes that they do business way around the

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Speaker 1: world should scare us. And then of course that they're

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Speaker 1: the ones that are the leaders in five G technology,

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Speaker 1: which is going to be the network that serves as

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Speaker 1: the backbone of basically all information transfer and communications throughout

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Speaker 1: the world, including among our allies. Can you trust a

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Speaker 1: regime that is a social credit score for its citizens,

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Speaker 1: watches their every move and grades them based upon how

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Speaker 1: well they're checking the party boxes. You want to put

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Speaker 1: them in charge of all global telecommunications and information transfer.

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Speaker 1: This is the Chinese regime and then a much smaller example,

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Speaker 1: but that I think gets also to the nature of

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Speaker 1: not just this communist party, but the way that communist

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Speaker 1: parties have been really forever. This is from Ryan save

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Speaker 1: Dry and the Daily Wire headline Communist China Private ownership

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Speaker 1: of guns in US serious problem must change, Savedra says

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Speaker 1: communists China, which currently has millions of people walked away

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Speaker 1: in concentration camps set in state controlled media this week,

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Speaker 1: the second Amendment is a quote unquote serious problem that

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Speaker 1: there needs to be quote unquote change and had the

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Speaker 1: American public views private ownership of guns. The Global Times,

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Speaker 1: which is Chinese state run media, published the op ed

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Speaker 1: after a good guy with a gun in Texas stopped

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Speaker 1: a shooting in a church, trying to mock the United States,

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Speaker 1: saying that quote shootings are shocking in a US allegedly

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Speaker 1: governed by law. And he quotes a little bit from

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Speaker 1: the article, and it's worth quoting in part also just

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Speaker 1: to look at the parallels between their propaganda media and

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Speaker 1: our propaganda media. The article says private gun ownership is

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Speaker 1: a tradition from the early days that the founding of

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Speaker 1: the US in a modern society, the problems created by

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Speaker 1: this tradition have already exceeded the benefits. It's problematic. American

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Speaker 1: society has already seen serious problems caused by the private

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Speaker 1: ownership of guns, but their massive number has contributed to

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Speaker 1: an enormous and nerves Many interest groups have benefited from it,

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Speaker 1: and some ordinary people have truly gained a sense of safety.

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Speaker 1: To change this habit, which has lasted hundreds of years,

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Speaker 1: tremendous political courage and a rearrangement of interest is required.

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Speaker 1: Mike Bloomberg agrees facts have proved that the US system

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Speaker 1: is unable to handle the intricacies of countless issues around guns,

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Speaker 1: including politics, economics, law and order in public psychology. The

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Speaker 1: country can either manage the safe storage and use of

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Speaker 1: so many guns owned by ordinary people, nor can it

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Speaker 1: establish a new national system that bans or strictly restricts guns.

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Speaker 1: It cannot even for it cannot even form an overwhelming

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Speaker 1: opinion regarding gun issues, and then Savedra to his credit.

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Speaker 1: Rights here. China's attack on the Second amm And comes

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Speaker 1: after Hong Kong protesters have requested to have their own

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Speaker 1: Second Amendment rights. J I wonder why so they can

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Speaker 1: defend themselves from the oppressive Communist Chinese government. And this

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Speaker 1: is also after The Wall Street Journal reported that, following

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Speaker 1: in the footsteps of Mao Zedong during a two day

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Speaker 1: meeting that ended last month by mister she, the part

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Speaker 1: is twenty five member poet Burrow Helas policies as visionary

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Speaker 1: and described him as the Renman wing Shoe or People's Leader,

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Speaker 1: a designation that directly echoes and accolade most closely associated

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Speaker 1: with Communist China's founder Mao Zedong. And of course, like

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Speaker 1: Mao Zedong, effectively she has absolute power. He is chairman

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Speaker 1: of the party for life. First, there's the use of

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Speaker 1: the propaganda, and the Chinese Communist Party always says, we

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Speaker 1: want to treat every nation with mutual respect and admiration,

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Speaker 1: respect for sovereignty. We don't meadow and others foreign affairs. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: who are you to be commenting on our Second Amendment

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Speaker 1: in your propaganda rag that's in English so the entire

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Speaker 1: world can read it, and it's a propaganda coup for you.

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Speaker 1: More importantly is the fundamental issue of what are Second

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Speaker 1: Amendment rights at core? Actually about at core the entire

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Speaker 1: tradition in Western civilization and particular in the anglosphere, is

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Speaker 1: about the right to self defense, self president servation an

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Speaker 1: essential right, and that self preservation both in nature and

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Speaker 1: its self preservation in your political sphere. China, of course,

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Speaker 1: what they don't tell you, has some of the most

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Speaker 1: restrictive gun laws in the entire world. It's almost impossible

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Speaker 1: to own firearms there as an individual. Why is that

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Speaker 1: the case because the regime can't tolerate it, just like

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Speaker 1: they can't tolerate our First Amendment rights, freedom of speech,

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Speaker 1: freedom of conscience, freedom to debate and argue in an

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Speaker 1: actual open marketplace of ideas. They can't tolerate you being

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Speaker 1: able to defend yourself against any tyranny, again, whether in

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Speaker 1: nature or the tyranny of an oppressive government. China doesn't

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Speaker 1: want its people to have the right to defend their

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Speaker 1: lives and their liberties because they don't believe that life

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Speaker 1: and liberty trump their tyrannical Iron Communist Party fist. This

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Speaker 1: article is important. This propaganda is important because it gets

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Speaker 1: to the core, which is that China doesn't believe in

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Speaker 1: any rights as we understand them in the West, not

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Speaker 1: for its people and not for those that it interacts with.

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Speaker 1: Either and that's why in the past the Chinese Communist

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Speaker 1: Party has lied, cheated, and stolen. This Ben Winegarden for

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Speaker 1: Buck sex And on the Buck Sex and Show. We'll

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Speaker 1: be back right after this. You're in the Freedom Hunt.

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Speaker 1: This is the Buck Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the Buck Sex and Show. This is Ben Weinegarden in

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Speaker 1: for Buck Sexton, and we've been talking about the nature

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Speaker 1: of the Chinese Communist Party, which controls all of China,

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Speaker 1: it's businesses, it's people, their right to bear arms or not,

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Speaker 1: as the case may be, their lack of any sorts

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Speaker 1: of the civil liberties that we enjoy in America. And

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Speaker 1: what I've argued is that you have to keep this

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Speaker 1: context in mind when it comes to all of the

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Speaker 1: United States's official dealings with Chinese Communist Party officials and

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Speaker 1: even with any of their private quote unquote private sector actors,

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Speaker 1: because in reality, there is no there is no distinction

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Speaker 1: between private and public there and so we need to

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Speaker 1: be very clear eyed about the nature of it. And

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Speaker 1: that is a central context in terms of having a

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Speaker 1: healthy bit of caution and skepticism when it comes to

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Speaker 1: anything with China. And I believe the administration completely gets

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Speaker 1: this not only because of the way that the administration

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Speaker 1: has described the nature of the Chinese Communist Party and

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Speaker 1: its aims in the past, but by dint of its

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Speaker 1: entire policy towards the Chinese Communist Party speaking openly and

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Speaker 1: honestly about the way that they've abused and ripped off America.

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Speaker 1: In fact, even President Trump during the signing ceremony yesterday

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Speaker 1: alluded to some of those issues. He basically said, cover

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Speaker 1: your ears, Chinese representatives, while I talk about the truth.

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Speaker 1: Here also bears noting in this deal that we're about

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Speaker 1: to talk with Peter Navarro about tariffs still remain on China.

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Speaker 1: And it's important point, by the way, to note, you know,

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Speaker 1: the entire world told us, and look, I'm a devotee

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Speaker 1: of free enterprise economics, a long time defender of capitalism.

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Speaker 1: Tariffs run in the face of capitalism to the extent

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Speaker 1: that you have parties that are all really trading on

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00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: an open and honest playing field. You know where there's

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00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: comparative advantage, and you're good at this, producing this, you're

881
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 1: good at producing this. We trade, everyone ends up better off.

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00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: Let's not basically put a tax on products and then

883
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Speaker 1: get into a war over it, and then you're taxing this,

884
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Speaker 1: You're taxing televisions, and I'm taxing soybeans. The difference here,

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Speaker 1: The difference is that we have not been operating on

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Speaker 1: anything remotely close to a level playing field, and in fact,

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Speaker 1: we have built the entire world trade financial architecture, global

888
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: enterprise writ large is attributed to American institutions and largely

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00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: American companies, American technologies, American led policies. We invited China

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Speaker 1: to operate in that system under the naive view, that

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00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: is asked view that economic liberalization would ultimately lead to

892
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: political liberalization, or maybe for the more cynical people, because

893
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Speaker 1: they felt that China's a really big marketplace and we

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Speaker 1: better take advantage of it while the getting is good,

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Speaker 1: or someone else will consequences, potentially a US national interests

896
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Speaker 1: be damned. And maybe look, maybe they didn't even conceive

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Speaker 1: of the idea that China could end up as strong

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Speaker 1: and as powerful and bellicos increasingly as it has become.

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Speaker 1: Tariffs though they told us you can't impose tariffs, We

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Speaker 1: can't win a trade war, and the Trump administration said, well,

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Speaker 1: actually we can win trade wars. It's going to be easy.

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Speaker 1: And the fact of the matter is they have been

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Speaker 1: right pretty much every single time in terms of using

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Speaker 1: tariffs as a tool for leverage, not for tariffs in

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Speaker 1: and of themselves, not because the administration loves the idea

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Speaker 1: of the protectionism, but because the administration understands it is

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Speaker 1: a blunt tool that we, with the biggest economy in

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Speaker 1: the world by a large measure of magnitude, can withstand

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Speaker 1: and which will bring parties to the table so that

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Speaker 1: they will no longer rip us off and have unfair

911
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Speaker 1: trade and unfree trade and take advantage of us, because

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Speaker 1: we let the world take advantage of us in every

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Speaker 1: single possible realm. And China, of course, is the biggest

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Speaker 1: actor of all in the way of those who have

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Speaker 1: taken advantage of us, as I said before, lying, cheating,

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Speaker 1: stealing their way after being given entree into this amazing

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Speaker 1: global economy that America is the backbone of. They steal

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Speaker 1: hundreds of billions of dollars in intellectual property from us.

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Speaker 1: They counterfeit goods. They've flooded our soil with fentanyl in

920
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: places that have been hollowed out and destroyed in no

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Speaker 1: small part because of the offshoring of jobs to China

922
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Speaker 1: because China is able to compete by paying people nothing.

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Speaker 1: Not only that, it's forced technology transfer. You can't do

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Speaker 1: business in China unless China basically gets the rights to

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Speaker 1: all of the crown jewels of your company. It's unfair

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Speaker 1: go on on for so long, and it has enabled China

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Speaker 1: to become a serious competitor to America, and again one

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Speaker 1: that based on its nature, threatens our liberty. There's Ben

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Speaker 1: Winegarden in for Buck Sexton back right after this. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening to the bus Sexton Show podcasts. Remember to

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Speaker 1: subscribe on Apple Podcast, the iHeartRadio app, or wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: This is Ben Weingarten in for Buck Sexton, and we

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Speaker 1: talked a little bit about the Democratic parties ends justify

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Speaker 1: the means sort of perspective, and that has a way

936
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Speaker 1: of permeating not just our political system, but also our culture,

937
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Speaker 1: our society, our economic institutions, really every facet of our lives,

938
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Speaker 1: because leftism demands control over every part of our lives,

939
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Speaker 1: sort of like with the Chinese and the Chinese Communist Party.

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Speaker 1: It's a similar sort of all encompassing totalitarian in the

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Speaker 1: sense of controlling everything ethos. And the scary thing is

942
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Speaker 1: when you see it seep into your culture such that

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Speaker 1: ultimately we have a society that's completely divided in almost

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Speaker 1: every single facet. And when you really think about it

945
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Speaker 1: in America today, I mean, what does unite people who

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Speaker 1: live on the coasts and people who live everywhere else?

947
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Speaker 1: When I walk around the streets in New York, ideologically,

948
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Speaker 1: I'm completely different from everyone around me. Nine pcent of

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Speaker 1: the time. We disagree on a whole host of subjects. Really,

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Speaker 1: I've thought about this, Maybe the only uniting institution in

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Speaker 1: America today, beyond the fact that the military is still

952
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Speaker 1: overwhelmingly loved and revered and respected, the only institution certainly

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Speaker 1: related to the government that's respected at this point is sports.

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Speaker 1: I mean, can you think of something else that unites

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Speaker 1: people from all walks of life, from every corner of

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Speaker 1: the country, Whether it's the smallest a grarian town or

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Speaker 1: the biggest urban center. That's pretty much it's sports. Can

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Speaker 1: a country really survive long term when it is so torn?

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to, I don't want to sort

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Speaker 1: of exaggerate the divide in America, because look, we fought

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Speaker 1: a civil war. In the sixties, tensions were as high

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Speaker 1: as they've been at probably at any time since the

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Speaker 1: Civil War. There have been all sorts of periods of strife,

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Speaker 1: of partisanship, of animus, and tension within our culture, within

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Speaker 1: our society, and we've been divided and at each other's

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Speaker 1: throats from the beginning. I mean when people talk about

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Speaker 1: the viciousness of the press today, and the press is vicious,

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Speaker 1: and the press does vie and cheat and effectively, as

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00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: I usually argue, serves as the communications arm of the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party in many respects. But the press, it used

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Speaker 1: to be that you had party newspapers. The newspapers were

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Speaker 1: known as party associated publications. I mean, in some ways

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00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: it was better then because it was more transparent, but

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Speaker 1: they would allege all sorts of asinine things within those publications,

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00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: and we were remarkably torn as a country. But again

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Speaker 1: the difference is that at core, there were certain things

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Speaker 1: that did unite us, whether it was our understanding of

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00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: the founding, our understanding of our history, our understanding of

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00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: our heritage, our understanding of the fundamental rights and responsibilities

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00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: that we were built on, even just simple common virtue

981
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: views on morality, the importance of tradition to having a

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00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: functional society where we could disagree vigorously on any number

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Speaker 1: of political issues, but separate the political issues from the

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Speaker 1: things that at core united US. The left can't tolerate

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Speaker 1: that we, as conservatives, we debate them on any number

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Speaker 1: of issues, and I would argue that the average conservative

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00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: knows a lot more about the left positions than the

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00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: left knows about our positions, because they believe that their

989
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: positions have to predominate by hook or by crook. Again, though,

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00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: what gets more insidious is when you have every element

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00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: of your society in aided by politics. And for the

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00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: latest example of this, there was a story out this

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00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: week that was big in kind of the financial world,

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00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: dominated in the Wall Street Journal and elsewhere. Black Rock,

995
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: which is the largest investment management company in the world

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00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: in terms of the amount of money that it manages,

997
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: about seven trillion dollars in assets that it helps invest

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Speaker 1: on people's behalfs or that people invest through black Rock,

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00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: they weighed out a whole slew of initiatives under what's

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Speaker 1: called e SG. Now what is ESG Environmental, social and

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00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: governance focused initiatives that's become a huge thing in the

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Speaker 1: financial world. If you want to invest in basically green

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Speaker 1: friendway companies, if you want to invest in companies that

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Speaker 1: value quote unquote diversity, not you know, in terms of

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Speaker 1: the way of thought, but in terms of skin pigmentation.

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Speaker 1: If you want to support companies that are truly progressive

1007
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: social justice warriors ESG are usually the kinds of vehicles

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Speaker 1: you can invest in. Some sort of fund that has

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Speaker 1: portfolio of companies that are all social justice warrior companies

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01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: and that has become a massive industry in financial services.

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01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: Black Rock, the biggest asset manager in the world, is

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Speaker 1: one of the leaders in ESG, and this week they

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Speaker 1: lay it out a slove of initiatives on stated environmentalist grounds,

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Speaker 1: So under sustainability and environmentalism in ESG slove initiatives where

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Speaker 1: not only will they be following these initiatives and basically

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Speaker 1: imposing their progressive views on all of their employees, but

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Speaker 1: also on all of the companies and other assets that

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Speaker 1: they invest in invest in. So in other words, they

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01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: will push if through black Rock their investors own expert

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Speaker 1: scent of a company. Let's say that company is an

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01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: energy company, and that a company isn't a clean energy company,

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Speaker 1: they'll push the board to get more clean and they

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Speaker 1: can do that because they effectively control the money, I mean,

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Speaker 1: follow the money in that company. So let's look at

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Speaker 1: what some of these initiatives are. Their CEO wrote to

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Speaker 1: other CEOs. We don't yet know which predictions about the

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Speaker 1: climate will be most accurate, nor what effects we have

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Speaker 1: failed to consider, but there's no denying the direction we

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Speaker 1: are heading. Every government, company and shareholder must confront climate

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Speaker 1: change unquote. So the controller of more assets under management

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Speaker 1: than any investment manager in the world is saying climate change.

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Speaker 1: It's fact, world's gonna end in I guess eleven years.

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Speaker 1: Probably they used to say twelve, but we're a year

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Speaker 1: in the future now. Investing decision should be made on

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01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: that basis. Basically, our entire society should be organized around that.

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Speaker 1: And that's not a government talking. This is the private

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Speaker 1: sector to a private sector company that effectively through all

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Speaker 1: of the different assets that you can invest in, the stocks, bonds,

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Speaker 1: and everything else that one either an individual or a

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Speaker 1: big pension fund or an endowment, college endowment or your

1041
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: company can invest in through black Rock. You can invest

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Speaker 1: in everything through black Rock. Basically, the entire global market

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01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: you can invest in through them. So when black Rock

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Speaker 1: says basically tow the party line and we're going to

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Speaker 1: nudge the companies that do any business with us, which

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Speaker 1: is basically every company towards telling their environmentalist line, that's

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01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: sort of a scary state of play. He goes on

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Speaker 1: another letter to Black Rock clients to say, we believe

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Speaker 1: that sustainabilities should be our new standard for investing. Okay, well, look,

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Speaker 1: as a private sector company, they are more than welcome

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Speaker 1: to do whatever they want. I mean, one of the

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Speaker 1: proposals is they're going to get out of investing in

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Speaker 1: any businesses that generate meaningful amounts of revenue from thermal

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Speaker 1: coal production. They're going to kick it out of their

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Speaker 1: portfolios that they offer to people. They're going to push

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Speaker 1: clients to adhere to the company's priorities such as un

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Speaker 1: sustainable development goals such as gender equality and affordable and

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Speaker 1: clean energy. They're going to substantially increase the number of

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Speaker 1: social justice friendwa investment offerings. Look, they're welcome to do

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Speaker 1: this stuff. And they've also, by the way, joined the

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Speaker 1: Climate Action one hundred plus, which engages with companies to

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Speaker 1: improve climate disclosure and align business strategy with the goals

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Speaker 1: of the Paris Agreement, is that what you think private

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Speaker 1: sector companies should be in the business of. Look again,

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Speaker 1: I don't begrudge them. They can put forth whatever view

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Speaker 1: they want, and in a free marketplace, thank god, you

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Speaker 1: can move elsewhere. If you don't like what the CEOs

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Speaker 1: stand for, if you don't like their company policies, take

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Speaker 1: your money out where, protest them, boycott them if you want,

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Speaker 1: that's fine, but recognize how much of the marketplace this

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Speaker 1: actually impacts. Because if we're talking about seven trillion dollars

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Speaker 1: worth of wealth invested across a whole swough of different companies,

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Speaker 1: you can damn well be sure this is going to

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Speaker 1: impact any number of companies, and if you don't tow

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Speaker 1: the party line, your stock is going to creator. That's meaningful.

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Speaker 1: So we see this on a micro level, this sort

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Speaker 1: of control with a cancel culture, where if you don't

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Speaker 1: tow the progressive line, you're throwing out your ability to

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Speaker 1: live work function in society is basically over. We've seen,

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Speaker 1: for example, that payment processing companies like PayPal and the

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Speaker 1: like will kick people off of their services who are

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Speaker 1: funded by people like you and me to be able

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Speaker 1: to produce content that a major corporation won't allow them

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Speaker 1: to produce again because it flats PC norms kicked off,

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Speaker 1: can't make a living, can't use the payment processing company.

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Speaker 1: This is far bigger. I mean, this is again seven

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Speaker 1: trillion dollars almost in assets under management to the party line.

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Speaker 1: This should really scare us, in my opinion, And it's

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Speaker 1: not just about this particular move, and it's not just

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Speaker 1: about the fact that, look, you know live and we live.

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Speaker 1: If they want to be woke capital, they can be

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Speaker 1: woke capital. Okay, they can deal with the consequences of that.

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Speaker 1: But there are a couple broader points to be made.

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Speaker 1: One is the fact that this is representative of where

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Speaker 1: corporate America is, where they have basically entire sections that

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Speaker 1: are dedicated to making sure that you don't run a

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Speaker 1: foul of political correctness, and you don't run a foul

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Speaker 1: of the progressive sort of ethos that dominates in all

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Speaker 1: of our lead institutions, in our colleges, in our media,

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Speaker 1: in every facet of society that is responsible for imparting

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Speaker 1: views to people and telling people how they should think.

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Speaker 1: So it should scare us from the perspective of this

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Speaker 1: is but one massive granted company. But what do you

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Speaker 1: think the management teams look like a pretty much all

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Speaker 1: of the major corporations, And do you think they care

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Speaker 1: more about the people that they have their cocktail parties with,

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Speaker 1: who run the schools that they send their kids to,

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Speaker 1: their attorneys, all the senior management at these companies. Do

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Speaker 1: you think that they care more about you the deplorable

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Speaker 1: or do you think they care more about the people

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Speaker 1: that they're friends with? And they think everyone else thinks

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Speaker 1: like because they think that their views, which are held

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Speaker 1: by really like ten or twenty percent of the country,

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Speaker 1: are actually the mainstream views, and that the real mainstream

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Speaker 1: views in the country that the forgotten man in this

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Speaker 1: country holds traditions they hold, dear, are fringe. I want

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Speaker 1: to talk a little bit more about woe capital, and

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Speaker 1: we'll do so right after this short break is Ben

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Speaker 1: Wangarten and for Buck Sexton. Back right after this. You're

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Speaker 1: in the Freedom Hud. This is the Buck Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. This is Ben

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Speaker 1: weine Garden in for Buck Sexton. And before the break

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Speaker 1: we were talking a little bit about woke capital, and

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Speaker 1: this is truly woke capital, because investment managers are a

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Speaker 1: key part of sort of the capital markets and the

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Speaker 1: financial industry and basically where funds get directed in our economy.

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Speaker 1: That tells us what companies grow and succeed in which

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Speaker 1: companies fail. And I was talking about the significance of

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Speaker 1: this particular company, black Rock, as the biggest asset manager

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Speaker 1: in the world, and they're also one of one hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty one maybe plus employers who signed on to

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Speaker 1: an agreement which basically said that companies no longer their

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Speaker 1: primary focus is no longer creating value for their owners

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Speaker 1: their shareholders, but to serving all stakeholders. They signed onto

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Speaker 1: this agreement changing what the principles of business are. The

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Speaker 1: business should be about protecting the environment by embracing sustainable

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Speaker 1: practices across our businesses. That is black Rock and basically

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Speaker 1: all of the biggest company is in a bunch of

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Speaker 1: different sectors agreed. It's not about making money for your

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Speaker 1: owners anymore and serving your owners, it's in part about

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Speaker 1: serving environmental causes. But there's a hypocrisy in this, and

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Speaker 1: it actually winks back to what we've been discussing and

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Speaker 1: will continue to be discussing over the next couple of days.

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Speaker 1: Actually China and US China policy. Here's the hook. Okay,

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Speaker 1: to the extent that Blackrock and these other companies are

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Speaker 1: sustainability driven and their true believers and their principles, how

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Speaker 1: do they square that with the exposure that they and

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Speaker 1: many of these other companies have to the world's biggest

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Speaker 1: polluter in China. Let me explain this a little more.

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Speaker 1: Black Rock, for example, has expanded its offerings of China

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Speaker 1: specific investment vehicles. So you are, again, a big pension

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Speaker 1: fund or an endowment can invest more and more money

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Speaker 1: in big Chinese companies, probably companies that are polluters, or

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Speaker 1: if not, at least their companies that prop up a

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Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party regime that allows companies to and destroy

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Speaker 1: the environment there. But you haven't really heard of any

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Speaker 1: any of these big companies saying we will no longer

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Speaker 1: do business with the China and the Chinese market due

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Speaker 1: to their lack of sustainable practices in their businesses. As

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Speaker 1: I said, investors basically not only underwrite some percentage of

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Speaker 1: the companies the pollute, they effectively prop up this regime

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Speaker 1: that enables that pollution. So can you really call yourself

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Speaker 1: a proponent of environmental justice and claiming you care about

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Speaker 1: sustainability if with one hand you say we're going to

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Speaker 1: punish basically non Chinese companies that don't hute our environmental principles,

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Speaker 1: but we're going to actually increase our investment holdings and

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Speaker 1: offerings in Chinese companies. And it's not just the environmental

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Speaker 1: hypocrisy here, it's also investing in other non social justice

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Speaker 1: warrior friendly firms like, for example, Hick Vision. Hick Vision

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Speaker 1: is a China base and Hangsu business that produces the

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Speaker 1: cameras that surveil the minority weager Muslim population that is

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Speaker 1: being held in modern day gulags in China Shinjiang Province.

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Speaker 1: Where's woe capital on that? You know? We saw this

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Speaker 1: with Nike where God Forbid. A senior executive for the

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Speaker 1: Houston Rockets basketball team comes out and says something of

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Speaker 1: pro Hong Kong, and the backlash is swift. Because Nike

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Speaker 1: has all their profits tied to doing business with China,

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Speaker 1: they get awfully quiet when it might impact their bottom

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Speaker 1: line with their social justice warriordom. I want to see

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Speaker 1: all the financial services companies come out and say we're

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Speaker 1: not going to do business with China because they flout

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Speaker 1: progressive norms, values and principles. But you won't see it.

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Speaker 1: And why won't you see it? Because at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, it is profits the matter. It's profit

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Speaker 1: that's matter. It's profits the matter. And oh, by the way,

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Speaker 1: it goes beyond that. Because these EESG products, the sustainability

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Speaker 1: products that they offer, and this push for green company,

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Speaker 1: I'll bet you find in a lot of ways it's

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Speaker 1: a racket. Because of those companies that fit this EESG environmentalism,

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Speaker 1: sustainable social governance and the like. What percentage of those

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Speaker 1: companies receive chrony capitalists benefits It's not even woke capital

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Speaker 1: it's more like woke chrony capital How many of them

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Speaker 1: receive huge subsidies from the government to basically keep afloat

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Speaker 1: companies that otherwise wouldn't be able to exist on the

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Speaker 1: free marketplace because they can't compete with the traditional industries

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Speaker 1: that we've had in this country. What percentage of them

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Speaker 1: get tax breaks and write offs? What percentage of them

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Speaker 1: have their business almost completely tied to government support in

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Speaker 1: one way or another? And then, oh, by the way,

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Speaker 1: factor in that some of these pensions and other government

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Speaker 1: associated investors including governments themselves and sovereign wealth funds invest

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Speaker 1: through places like Black Rock. There's sort of playing both

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Speaker 1: sides because on the one hand, the government supports all

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Speaker 1: these policies, and then on the other hand, the government

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01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: is investing those pension funds in the very companies that

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Speaker 1: benefit from those government policies. So we should call a

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Speaker 1: spade a spade when it comes to woke capital, whether

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Speaker 1: it's a big st manager or Nike or anyone else. Really,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's about profits. Let's

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Speaker 1: not call it woke capital. Let's call it woke crony capital.

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Speaker 1: This Ben Wangaran in for Buck Saxon on The Buck

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Speaker 1: Sex and Show. We'll be right back. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: to The Bus Sex and Show podcasts. Remember to subscribe

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01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 1: on Apple Podcasts, the iHeart Radio app, or wherever you

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01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Senator Sands, I do want to be

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01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: clear here. You're saying that you never told Senator Warren

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Speaker 1: that a woman could not win the election. The Senator Warren,

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Speaker 1: what did you think when Senator Sanders told you a

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01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 1: woman could not win the election? I disagreed. Bernie is

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Speaker 1: my friend, and I'm not here to try to fight

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Speaker 1: with Bernie. But look, this question about whether or not

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Speaker 1: a woman can be president has been raised, and it's

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Speaker 1: time for us to attack it head on um. And

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Speaker 1: I think the best way to talk about who can

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Speaker 1: win is by looking at people's winning record. So can

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Speaker 1: a woman beat Donald Trump? Look at the men on

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Speaker 1: this stage collectively, they have lost ten elections. The only

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Speaker 1: people on this stage who have won every single election

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Speaker 1: that they've been in are the women. Told me a

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Speaker 1: liar on National TV. He's a little I think you

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Speaker 1: told me a liar on National MOVING. Let's not do

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Speaker 1: it right now. You want to have that discussion, we'll

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Speaker 1: have that discussion. You call meal and you told me.

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Speaker 1: I just want to say hydriden good. If you haven't

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Speaker 1: seen it, you've got to see that last clip with

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Speaker 1: the Curb your Enthusiasm music dubbed over. It's and not

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Speaker 1: only because the Larry David Bernie Sanders likeness, but it's

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01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 1: just too perfect for that whole episode. So you probably

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01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,759
Speaker 1: been following this. It's almost getting annoying at this point.

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Speaker 1: The mini confrontation what I would call sort of an

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Speaker 1: Iran Iraq war, which you really don't want to get

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Speaker 1: in the way of between Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren CNN.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it seems probably leaked from the Warren camp

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Speaker 1: or those close to the Warren camp, comments from Bernie

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Speaker 1: saying that a woman couldn't be president with respect to

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren, I believe, back in twenty eighteen. Then Bernie

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Speaker 1: during the debate the other night, gets asked, you know,

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Speaker 1: essentially a do you beat your wife's sort of question effectively,

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Speaker 1: especially for the Democratic fields. He denies it, but then

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Speaker 1: of course they act in asking Warren about it as

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Speaker 1: if he didn't just deny it, and then after when

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Speaker 1: it shouldn't have been recorded, there's a hot mic with

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Speaker 1: this whole exchange between Bernie and Warren, and I think

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Speaker 1: we have to stop and ask ourselves for a minute.

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Speaker 1: Why is it that the long knives, at least at

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Speaker 1: CNN seemed to be out for Bernie Sanders. You know,

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Speaker 1: he claimed that the twenty sixteen primary with Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 1: was rigged in her favor, and I think that's absolutely

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Speaker 1: the case, and there's plenty of empirical evidence to show it.

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Speaker 1: Why now, you know, their ideas Bernie versus Warren's ideas

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01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 1: are not all that different. She just polishes it with

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Speaker 1: a more sort of academic and serious kind of face

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Speaker 1: to it, more rigorous and substantive garbage. But why are

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Speaker 1: the long knives out for him? I would suggest the

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Speaker 1: long knives are out for Bernie because they recognize that

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Speaker 1: he is a serious threat to win this thing. You know, Bernie.

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Speaker 1: It looks like Biden is going to sort of cruise

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Speaker 1: to the finish, even though he really has been incoherent,

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Speaker 1: largely for almost the entire set of debates. He's wrong.

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Speaker 1: He's been wrong on every single issue in public life

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Speaker 1: that matters. He represented a terrible administration that preceded this one.

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Speaker 1: You know, and look at look at what is the

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Speaker 1: substance of the democratic message. It's, you know, let's keep

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Speaker 1: terrorists alive, solomni let's bribe and appease adversary regimes. I ran.

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Speaker 1: China isn't a problem, says Joe Biden, and then he

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Speaker 1: has the gaul to go out there and attack this

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Speaker 1: Phase one China trade deal that we'll be talking about

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Speaker 1: a little bit later this evening. Socialized medicine, open borders, infanticide.

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Speaker 1: Take an economy that's rip roaring from the perspective of

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Speaker 1: job growth and wage growth and expansion in industries that

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Speaker 1: had been hollowed out and destroyed in the past, repatriation

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Speaker 1: of something like a trillion dollars. I believe in wealth

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Speaker 1: back to America, confronting our enemies, which is in our

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Speaker 1: economic and national security interest. That's their message. All. No

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Speaker 1: matter who their nominee is, he's going to be pulled

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Speaker 1: in that direction at the very least to win the primary.

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Speaker 1: You know, Biden doesn't really have any beliefs as far

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Speaker 1: as I can tell, So he's going to be a

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Speaker 1: kind of weak representative of the leftist mating factors that

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Speaker 1: are really what's driving this entire Democratic Party, which is

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Speaker 1: why we're having impeachment right now in the first place,

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Speaker 1: which is why Nancy Pelosi has completely caved to the

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Speaker 1: squad and almost every single issue imaginable. Why are the

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Speaker 1: long knives out for Bernie because he actually believes in

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Speaker 1: this stuff. It represents where the energy in the party is,

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Speaker 1: and he has a real chance to win it. That's

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Speaker 1: the thing. He has a real chance to win it.

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Speaker 1: So this party that talks about their concern for democracy, well,

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Speaker 1: if he is the candidate that prevails in their democratic

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Speaker 1: Democrat process, shouldn't they let him go? I think they

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Speaker 1: recognize the powers that be, their political establishment recognizes that

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Speaker 1: Bernie could likely be suicide for them. But you know

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Speaker 1: what separates Bernie from the other candidates is that he

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Speaker 1: actually believes the communist sort of rhetoric. He's got communists

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Speaker 1: working for his team. You've probably seen the Gulag video

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Speaker 1: that came out of one of his staffers recently. He's

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Speaker 1: got a swam mess on his team, like Linda Sarsour

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Speaker 1: not to mention on Omar and the like the long

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Speaker 1: knives around because they think he's serious. And then you notice,

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Speaker 1: and I believe Buck might have talked about this yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Well let's go to clip six. Let's go to clip six.

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Speaker 1: And I want to say, that's a night for me

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Speaker 1: was dispiriting. Democrats got to do better what we saw

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Speaker 1: at night. There was nothing I saw at Knight that

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Speaker 1: would be able to take Donald Trump out. And I

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Speaker 1: want to see a Democrat in the White House as

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Speaker 1: soon as possible. There was nothing to night that if

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Speaker 1: you're looking at this thing, you say, any of these

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Speaker 1: people are prepared for what Donal Trump is gonna do

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Speaker 1: to us? That was Van Jones and I agree with

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Speaker 1: Van Jones on his political assessment here, and he's not alone,

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Speaker 1: by the way. Al Sharpton also came out on MSNBC

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Speaker 1: Famous Race. Bader visited the Obama's White House, however many

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Speaker 1: dozens of times as treated as a legitimate figure in

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Speaker 1: spite of the fact that he incited literal pigrums in

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Speaker 1: New York. Becoming relevant again now sad way, you know,

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Speaker 1: twenty thirty years later, Sharpton two afraid none of these

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Speaker 1: people can go toe to toe with Trump again. You know, frankly,

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Speaker 1: I agree with their assessment. You have to ask why, though,

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Speaker 1: why why is it that they don't believe any of

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Speaker 1: them can compete with Trump? And why would they come

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Speaker 1: out and say this. Could it be that they're trying

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Speaker 1: to create sort of a ground swell on the left

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Speaker 1: for a different candidate to emerge. Could it be maybe

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Speaker 1: Michelle Obama? And we've heard this rumor before, but the

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Speaker 1: Obama team has been awfully quiet, and there are reports

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Speaker 1: out there saying that if Bernie were a seriously challenge

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Speaker 1: and potentially be in a position to become the nominee,

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Speaker 1: that Obama would speak out. Could it be that this

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Speaker 1: is all sort of an elaborate employ given out week

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Speaker 1: Biden as ban and remember Barack Obama would not endorse

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Speaker 1: the odds on favorite in their field. Could it be

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Speaker 1: that this is all about a draft Michelle movement? She

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Speaker 1: didn't want to do it, but then the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: forced her and it was her patriotic duty to do

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Speaker 1: so so that she could once again be proud of

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Speaker 1: America again. And one of my colleagues at the Federalists

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Speaker 1: today as an article, Tristan Justice, has an article about

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Speaker 1: how could it be that the delay in the impeachment

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Speaker 1: is about rigging Iowa against Bernie Sanders? Again, rigging it

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Speaker 1: against Bernie? Why would that be? Well, if Bernie and

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Speaker 1: his fellow senaitors who are running are forced to be

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Speaker 1: sitting for the impeachment trial, and it looks like it's

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Speaker 1: going to run right up against the start. Certainly at

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Speaker 1: a minimum of the Democratic primary process, including I believe

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Speaker 1: the February third Iowa caucuses, he'll be off the campaign trail,

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Speaker 1: taking him off the field. Now that that obviously supports Biden.

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Speaker 1: Could it go beyond Biden? Could it go to a

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Speaker 1: Michelle Obama. Incidentally, there's also a caucus change that happened

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Speaker 1: in the rules for Iowa that you might not have

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Speaker 1: heard about. This was in the Transom which Ben Dominic's

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Speaker 1: great news letter Ben Dominech, publisher of The Federalist. He

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Speaker 1: quotes an article which talks about how, for the first time,

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Speaker 1: i quote in the history of Iowa's Democratic caucuses, the

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Speaker 1: party will report the raw vote count for each candidate,

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Speaker 1: and because of idiosyncrasies in the caucus process, the person

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Speaker 1: with the most votes at the beginning won't necessarily be

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Speaker 1: the one with the biggest delegate hall at the end.

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Speaker 1: Think of it as Iowa's version of the twenty sixteen

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Speaker 1: electoral college issue. In Iowa, traditionally it's the delegates the matter,

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Speaker 1: and party leaders here are emphasized that shouldn't change. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: the presidential primary contest comes down to who gets the

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Speaker 1: most delegates. But the disclosure of two vote tallies and

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Speaker 1: one delegate counts on the night of the February third

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Speaker 1: caucuses and move made to inject more transparency into the

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Speaker 1: caucus process is threatening to muddle the narrative coming out

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Speaker 1: of Iowa. And here's the real takeaway. Depending on how

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Speaker 1: the numbers are interpreted, there's a scenario in which more

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Speaker 1: than one candidate could claim a win quote unquote, do

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Speaker 1: you see they're starting to rig the process and all

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Speaker 1: sorts of ways. The question is is it for Bernie

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Speaker 1: or is it for someone else? And before we go

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Speaker 1: to break, I want to talk just briefly a little

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Speaker 1: bit about impeachment. You know, it's sort of infringes upon

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Speaker 1: in some ways, their entire primary process. It puts a

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Speaker 1: cloud over it. It's obviously intended to put a cloud

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Speaker 1: over the entire Trump presidency. I hate talking about impeachment

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Speaker 1: because I think it's an illegitimate process, both in terms

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Speaker 1: of the procedural way that it's been pushed onto us,

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Speaker 1: imposed on Congress, and imposed upon the American people. When

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Speaker 1: all of these Democrats, including Jerry Nader and others, you know,

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Speaker 1: during the Clinton impeachment trial, we're saying one thing now

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Speaker 1: and during these proceedings are saying another. It's not only

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Speaker 1: rigged on the process, but I think it's totally illegitimate

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Speaker 1: on the merits as well. So I really don't like

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Speaker 1: talking about it, and I don't like focusing on it

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Speaker 1: because I don't think it is worthy of our focus

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Speaker 1: and attention, because it's not worthy of our American political system,

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Speaker 1: our constitutional republic. But you know, yesterday the House Democratic

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Speaker 1: Managers prayerfully and somberly signed the impeachment article as using

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Speaker 1: approximately one seven hundred and seventy six pens, with Nancy

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Speaker 1: Plosa screaming out, you get a pen, and you get

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Speaker 1: a pen, and you get a pen. But they were

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Speaker 1: very serious and somber, prayerful, thoughtful, and then they had

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Speaker 1: their procession, their little awake as they're in mourning, as

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Speaker 1: they went over to the Senate. And of course, you know,

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Speaker 1: of these impeachment managers, six of them publicly supported impeaching

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Speaker 1: the president before the quote unquote whistle blower complaints regarding

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Speaker 1: the phone call with the president of Ukraine Zelinski. You

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Speaker 1: know that this is a ruse. Well, what is impeachment

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Speaker 1: actually about? What should we be how should we be

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Speaker 1: thinking about this given that it's a total charade. Obviously

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Speaker 1: they're the sort of immediate term considerations, the political attack

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Speaker 1: considerations for the left. You know, this is about paralyzing

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Speaker 1: the Trump agenda in an election year. It's about fundraising,

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Speaker 1: it's about appeasing the extremist progressive base which is currently

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Speaker 1: ascendant in the Democratic party, and I believe is taking

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Speaker 1: it over. If not, it may have already taken it

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Speaker 1: over in some ways, potentially forcing the administration or Republicans

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Speaker 1: and both the House and the Senate into making tactical errors,

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Speaker 1: forcing the administration to produce all sorts of documents that

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Speaker 1: they can that the Democrats can then portray in the

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Speaker 1: worst possible way and attempt to smear the administration again

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Speaker 1: going into an election year, maybe most important way from

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Speaker 1: a political perspective, forcing Republican senators into making tough votes,

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Speaker 1: potentially delegitimizing President Trump for a second term. What I

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Speaker 1: think the importance of impeachment is is it's the same

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Speaker 1: significance as Kavanaugh. You know, the Kavanaugh hearings were much

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Speaker 1: bigger than Kavanaugh. It was about the nature of our

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Speaker 1: political adversary and the way that they play the game

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Speaker 1: and the rules that they adhere to or don't adhere to.

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Speaker 1: And if it wasn't clear to you, then, frankly, if

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Speaker 1: it wasn't clear to you back in the days of

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Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill, the Left play is to

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Speaker 1: win at all costs. They'll invoke the Constitution on the

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Speaker 1: one end, and they'll shred up the Constitution on the

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Speaker 1: other when it suits them, they claim that impeachment is

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Speaker 1: a purely political process when their party controls it in

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Speaker 1: the House, and a purely strictly legal process when it

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Speaker 1: ultimately hits the Senate. We're up against the political adversary

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Speaker 1: that wants to destroy us to retain its own power

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Speaker 1: and privilege and grow it. There's no level to which

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Speaker 1: they won't sink, There's no amount of shame to which

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Speaker 1: they won't reach, There's no level hypocrisy doesn't matter for them. Remember,

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Speaker 1: since before the start of the Trump presidency, it was resist, resist, resist,

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Speaker 1: and our side doesn't fight the same way. With few exceptions,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's movement conservatives and a fraction of a

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Speaker 1: fraction of those in Congress and elsewhere. Trump has shown

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Speaker 1: the way tactically and strategically how to fight the left,

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Speaker 1: to fight fire with fire. Yes, sort of like Solomoni.

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Speaker 1: Solomoni was a game changer because the other side never

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Speaker 1: expected it. Our side needs to act like that on

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Speaker 1: more issues, core issues that are about defending and protecting

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Speaker 1: this constitutional republic that we love. The left will never, ever, ever,

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Speaker 1: ever stop fighting till the day Donald Trump is out

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Speaker 1: of office, and then probably after he's out of office,

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Speaker 1: they'll pursue him, and then they'll go after the next

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Speaker 1: Republican and the next one and the next one. Because

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Speaker 1: for them politics it's not even religion. It goes beyond religion.

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Speaker 1: For them, it's their entire being. They're wholly consumed by it.

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Speaker 1: For them, in their view, it's about good versus evil,

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Speaker 1: and they need to destroy us because we're either evil

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Speaker 1: or stupid. We're seeing this view manifest itself even in

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Speaker 1: the private sector, which is controlled by progressives. And we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about that a little bit later, but for now,

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Speaker 1: I want to leave you with a message that impeachment,

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Speaker 1: what it should represent for us is this, this is

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Speaker 1: the nature of the left. We need to fight with

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Speaker 1: the same intensity, with the same rigor, with the same

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Speaker 1: seriousness that they bring to the table, because they fight

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Speaker 1: us every single day of every single year. And it's

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Speaker 1: about time we woke up to it. This president has

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Speaker 1: the entire Republican Party must This has been war in

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Speaker 1: for Buck Sexon on The Buck Sexton Show. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back reddet you're in. This is the Buck Sexton Show Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to The Buck Sexton Show. This is Ben

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Speaker 1: Weingarten in for Buck Sexton. We only have a couple

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Speaker 1: of minutes before my next guest, who I'm very pleased

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Speaker 1: to have on, Johnny Eastman, comes on and joins the program,

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Speaker 1: and before we get to that conversation, I need to

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Speaker 1: provide a little bit of framing for it. Eastman is

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Speaker 1: one of the premier scholars in my view when it

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Speaker 1: comes to constitutional matters, in particular dealing with immigration and

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Speaker 1: national sovereignty. And in our prior segment we were talking

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Speaker 1: about impeachment and the nature of the Democrats march and

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Speaker 1: that they'll fight dirty, they'll fight any which way to

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Speaker 1: win on any grounds they possibly can. And one of

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Speaker 1: the most nefarious ways that they do it is through

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Speaker 1: not even amnesty, but the very fact that non citizens

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Speaker 1: and in in particular disproportionately illegal aliens are able to come here,

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Speaker 1: and Democrats promote it because it actually impacts the political

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Speaker 1: process even before they potentially all get amnestied at some

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Speaker 1: future point. And I've talked about this before and it's

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Speaker 1: relatively arcane, but bear with me because it's really significant.

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Speaker 1: We talked about the census and what the census means

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Speaker 1: for political power for your vote and the votes of

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Speaker 1: every American. The census tells us how many people and

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Speaker 1: that includes citizens and non citizens, including millions of illegal aliens,

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Speaker 1: reside in the US. And those total population numbers, not

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Speaker 1: just the number of citizens, not just the number of

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Speaker 1: eligible voters and the like. Those numbers are what is

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01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:17,720
Speaker 1: used actually to determine entire legislative districts, so apportionment of

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Speaker 1: congressional seats. We today count again millions of millions of

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Speaker 1: non citizens in these numbers, and what does that do well.

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Speaker 1: Report came out from the Center for Immigration Studies, which

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Speaker 1: believes in restricting immigration numbers, and it showed this. The

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01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: twenty twenty census will show that the presence of all

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Speaker 1: illegal of all immigrants, which is naturalized citizens, legal residents,

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Speaker 1: and illegal aliens and their US born minor children, is

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Speaker 1: responsible for a shift of twenty six House seats. Twenty

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Speaker 1: six house seats of the twenty six seats that will

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Speaker 1: be lost due to redistricting due to these total population

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Speaker 1: numbers that come from the insis that includes millions of

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01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 1: non citizens including illegal aliens. Twenty four are from states

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Speaker 1: that voted for Donald Trump in twenty sixteen. Of states

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Speaker 1: that will gain House seats because of immigration. Nineteen will

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01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:14,720
Speaker 1: go to the Soldiway Democrat states of California and New York,

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01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 1: New Jersey, Massachusetts in Illinois, Texas is the only solid

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01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,640
Speaker 1: or solidy Republican state that will gain, while Florida is

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01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 1: a swing state. So what I want to talk about

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01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:25,720
Speaker 1: with John Eastman is how did we get to such

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01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 1: a place where non citizens could so gravely impact the

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01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 1: power of your vote, the weight of your vote, and

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Speaker 1: disenfranchise you without even a mass amnesty. This is Ben

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Speaker 1: Wegarden in for Buck Sexton. We'll be up with Professor

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Speaker 1: John Eastman right after this. Thanks for listening to The

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Speaker 1: bus S Show podcasts. Remember to subscribe on Apple Podcasts,

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01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 1: the iHeart Radio app, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. This is Ben

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01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 1: Weingarten in for Buck Sexton, and before the break I

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01:30:57,240 --> 01:31:01,480
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about the impact of non citizens

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01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: in our census count and how that drastically has swung

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01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 1: political power. Based upon some one study that has come

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Speaker 1: out regarding what non citizens will do to twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: population numbers in the census count, and those population numbers

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01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 1: translate that into how the electoral map is drawn and

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01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 1: basically give Democrats substantial power because mass illegal alien populations,

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Speaker 1: even if they're never amnesty, it'll ultimately swing power to

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01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 1: you guessed it generally democratic districts. And I have on

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Speaker 1: the line with me an expert in not only constitutional

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01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 1: law generally, but in particular immigration and has written and

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01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 1: spoken at length about these and other relevant issues. And

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Speaker 1: that's doctor John Eastman, who's the founding director of the

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01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:46,080
Speaker 1: Claremont Institute's Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence and a senior Fellow

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01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 1: of the Claremont Institute. And he also serves as the

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01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 1: Henry Salvatory Professor of Law and Community Service at Chapman

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01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 1: University's Daily four School of Law. Doctor Eastman, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us. Well, thanks very much. I'm sorry

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01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 1: that the introduction is such a mouthful. Not a problem

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01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:04,760
Speaker 1: at all, and it's a testament to your scholarship and

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01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 1: your great work. And I want to start in a

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01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:10,640
Speaker 1: sort of a fundamental question that I think most Americans

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01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 1: would find curious if they were aware of it, and

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01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 1: that is, why are non citizens, including millions of legal aliens,

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01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:19,839
Speaker 1: counted in our census? And why does that number dictate.

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01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 1: Then how the districts are drawn for house seats across

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01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 1: the country. Well, it's it's kind of grown up over

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01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:30,560
Speaker 1: time with a kind of false understanding of the constitution.

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01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,720
Speaker 1: The Constitution says, for our senses, every ten years, we

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01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 1: have to count all persons. And then you know, treated

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01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,719
Speaker 1: slaves as three fifths of a person. That was largely

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01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 1: designed to minimize the electoral weight of the Southern states.

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Speaker 1: And then and then excluding Indians not taxed. And the

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Speaker 1: point of that last clause is a recognition that there

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01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 1: are some people here on our shores, within our borders,

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01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 1: who are not part of our political community, and we're

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Speaker 1: not going to count them in the census, because, as

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Speaker 1: the Declaration of Independence sets out, government is based on

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01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:09,080
Speaker 1: the consent of the government. That means the people who

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01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 1: form part of the political community are the only ones

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Speaker 1: that are entitled to representation in that political community. Excluding

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Speaker 1: Indians not taxed was the example of people within our

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01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 1: borders at the time who were not part of our

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Speaker 1: political community. And therefore we're not going to be counted

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01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:29,360
Speaker 1: because that would skew the representation of those who were

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01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 1: entitled to be represented in our halls of governments. That

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Speaker 1: whether it's the excluding Indians not tax clause or a

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01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 1: more limited understanding of person, that meant persons who are

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Speaker 1: here and part of our political community, not anybody who

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Speaker 1: happens to be here temporarily visiting, would be counted. And

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Speaker 1: that's the only theory that's consistent with the doctrine of

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01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:53,880
Speaker 1: consent outlined in the Declaration of Independence. So do we not,

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01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 1: in effect today have foreign interference in our elections? Writ

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01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:01,880
Speaker 1: large by dinner of the fact that millions of illegal

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Speaker 1: aliens dictate how much the relative vote of one person

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01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 1: living in California is versus another person living in Alabama.

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Speaker 1: Let's say, well, that's absolutely true, and let me know,

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Speaker 1: kind of push the example here, the hypothetical. Let's suppose

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Speaker 1: you've got a district that has one legal voter and

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Speaker 1: half a million illegal immigrants or even temporary visitors who

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Speaker 1: are on student visas who are not eligible to vote.

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Speaker 1: That one voter gets to choose a member of Congress,

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Speaker 1: whereas in the next distric over that have a half

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01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 1: million citizens, each one of them gets one one five

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01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 1: hundred thousandth of the weight of that vote for that

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01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:43,879
Speaker 1: member of Congress. That vote dilution that occurs by counting

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01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 1: illegal immigrants, legal immigrants who are not citizens, people who

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01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:52,040
Speaker 1: are on temporary visitors, what have you, that really skews

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Speaker 1: and dilutes the vote of those citizens in other districts.

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Speaker 1: One other example on this, and I think it's important,

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Speaker 1: let's suppose the nineteen eighty four Olympics in Los Angeles

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01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:05,560
Speaker 1: was actually held four years earlier in nineteen eighty when

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01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 1: the census was going on. That brought several million people

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01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:11,760
Speaker 1: from around the world to Los Angeles, and if we

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Speaker 1: had counted them just because they were persons who were

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01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:17,600
Speaker 1: physically present at the time the census was being conducted,

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01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 1: we would have handed Los Angeles County and therefore California

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01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:25,040
Speaker 1: half a dozen new congressional seats as a result of

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01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:28,439
Speaker 1: people who were just temporary visitors here. The absurdity of

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01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 1: that should explain what's wrong with the way we're doing

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01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:36,719
Speaker 1: the census now. And of course, amazingly, during the Trump term,

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01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 1: we've seen this huge debate and I sort of noticed

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01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:42,400
Speaker 1: that it was going to become an emerging issue when

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01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:46,479
Speaker 1: former Attorney General Eric Holder started to write and speak

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01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:51,599
Speaker 1: publicly about it. In terms of the census citizenship question,

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01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:55,240
Speaker 1: which as our listeners might recall, the Trump administration wanted

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01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:57,880
Speaker 1: to simply ask are you a citizen or not? To

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01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:00,840
Speaker 1: the head of households responding to the census, something where

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01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:04,160
Speaker 1: there's a long history of asking different derivations of this question,

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01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:08,480
Speaker 1: and even on the non main census, the Obama administration

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01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 1: asked a similar question, not asking someone to incriminate themselves,

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01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:14,040
Speaker 1: and we can debate whether they should or not be

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01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 1: asked really the more important question, which is are you

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01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 1: here legally or not? But rather are you a citizen

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01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:21,280
Speaker 1: or not? And the Democrats fought this tooth and nail,

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01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:24,559
Speaker 1: and ultimately one in the courts on what I would

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01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:26,320
Speaker 1: argue your ass and on grounds and I'm sure you

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01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:28,960
Speaker 1: probably have a similar view on that that the question

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01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 1: should be kicked out, basically because the courts didn't approve

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01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:34,880
Speaker 1: of the way that the Trump administration went about incorporating

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01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 1: the question. But recently a study came out and part

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01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 1: of the reason the Democrats argued against the inclusion of

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01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 1: this question was that they said, well, look, non citizens

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01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 1: and presumably illegal aliens will be afraid to contribute to

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01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:50,639
Speaker 1: the census if this question is asked, because they'll be

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01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 1: in some way, shape or form, incriminating themselves. But the

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01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,360
Speaker 1: Census did a test on this, and it recently came

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01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 1: out that actually there would not be a statistically significant

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01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:02,599
Speaker 1: or meaningful drop off in responses to this question about

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01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:05,160
Speaker 1: census citizenship. So I just want to get your general

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01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:07,240
Speaker 1: take on what do you make of that study and

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01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:11,519
Speaker 1: the census citizenship debate more broadly. Well, you know, we'd

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01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 1: asked about citizenship, not surprisingly on every census that had

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01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:17,920
Speaker 1: been done up until nineteen fifty, safer one or two

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01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 1: back in the early eighteen hundreds, and then since nineteen

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01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 1: fifty it was asked on every census on the long form,

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01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 1: which went to a statistically significant but not entirely every

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01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 1: household on the long form census. It was only in

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01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 1: the twenty ten Census that it was drawn from either

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01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:40,880
Speaker 1: the regular census or the long form census form during

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01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 1: the Obama administration. Now, to be fair, that dropping of

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01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:48,639
Speaker 1: it occurred earlier during the Bush administration, but they had

1653
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:52,519
Speaker 1: moved it to the annual Community Survey. But the fact

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01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 1: that we're not asking that on the decenial census that

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01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:58,600
Speaker 1: the Constitution mandates every ten years means that people have

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01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 1: gotten this completely crazy notion that our representation ought to

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01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 1: be based on non citizens as well as citizen and

1658
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:08,719
Speaker 1: it completely destroys the notion of consent as the basis

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01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:11,639
Speaker 1: of our government. Anybody who happens to be here gets

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01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:14,920
Speaker 1: a share in the weight of representation, even if they

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01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 1: can't vote for that representative. That's absurd, and no other

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01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:21,720
Speaker 1: country in the world does that. And in fact, the

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01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 1: United Nations some years ago recommended to all member or

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01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 1: nations that they ask about citizenship on their senses. And

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01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:33,240
Speaker 1: I thought that the left believed in the UN as

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01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 1: the highest body in the globe. So it's quite a

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01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 1: rod I don't right. And and in the next segment

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about a similar policy to that,

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01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 1: which is the remain in Mexico policy, which we'll get

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01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:47,880
Speaker 1: to in a minute, and what international law would say

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01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:50,400
Speaker 1: about that. But I do think it also is worth

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01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 1: noting that it is not only your voting power in effect,

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01:38:54,280 --> 01:38:58,479
Speaker 1: they can get deluded or artificially bumped as a result

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01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:01,600
Speaker 1: of counting non citizens, but it's also how hundreds of

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01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 1: billions of dollars in federal funds are allocated. In a

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01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:08,120
Speaker 1: lot of respects. It is really about you getting less

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01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:13,960
Speaker 1: representation in some ways than non citizens getting representation. Well,

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01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 1: that's right. And look, I've been a leading proponent of

1679
01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:20,720
Speaker 1: the view that all of these grants and aid programs

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01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:25,840
Speaker 1: to the states that serve particular constituencies or particular regions

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01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:30,439
Speaker 1: rather than furthering the general or national welfare, are unconstitutional.

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01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,839
Speaker 1: The Article one, section eight clause that allows for spending

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01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:37,400
Speaker 1: says spending for the common defense, not the local police

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01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:40,439
Speaker 1: force and the general welfare. That doesn't mean I get

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01:39:40,439 --> 01:39:44,080
Speaker 1: to widen, you know, the road in my community. Maybe

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01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:47,960
Speaker 1: I can participate an interstate highway system, but I don't

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01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 1: get to put palm trees on the center median of

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01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:53,000
Speaker 1: my main street because that's not the general welfare, that's

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01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 1: the local welfare. And so, you know, we have for

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01:39:56,160 --> 01:40:00,240
Speaker 1: about eighty years now ignored that fundamental limitation on the

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01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:05,840
Speaker 1: power of Congress and completely distorted funding mechanisms where we

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01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:10,400
Speaker 1: now have complete disconnect between the taxes raised and the

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01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:12,920
Speaker 1: benefits being provided. Used to be if I was going

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01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 1: to provide a benefit, I would tax the people that

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Speaker 1: were going to benefit from it, and they could make

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Speaker 1: them a judgment or whether it was worth the taxes

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Speaker 1: to pay for the benefit or not. Now we've got

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Speaker 1: this crazy situation where people are in Rhode Island are

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Speaker 1: paying to widen my road in Long Beach and vice versa,

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Speaker 1: and there's complete disconnect and it's an unconstitutional one and

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Speaker 1: it's exacerbated when they're sending money to provide welfare programs

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Speaker 1: that inevitably end up in the hands of people who

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Speaker 1: are not even here legally. And somebody will tell me, well,

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Speaker 1: the statutes all prohibit illegal immigrants from having access to

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Speaker 1: these programs. And then you do a follow up question

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Speaker 1: and you ask any single welfare office do you check

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Speaker 1: on whether somebody applying for the benefits is here legally

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Speaker 1: or not? And they say, no, we're not allowed to

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Speaker 1: do so. Of course, there's a massive amount of fraud

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Speaker 1: on those welfare programs and that because of money is

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Speaker 1: flown and they're creating a constituency for one political party

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Speaker 1: in this country rather than another, which is another dangerous

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Speaker 1: aspect of all of this. This has Ben Wangarton in

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Speaker 1: for Buck Sexton more with doctor John Eastman. Just after

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Speaker 1: this quick break, you're in the Freedom Hud. This is

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Speaker 1: the Buck Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back to the Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show. This is Ben Wangarton in four buck Sexton,

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Speaker 1: and we've been talking with doctor John Eastman about all

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Speaker 1: things immigration, in particular on the sense of citizenship question

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Speaker 1: and what that means for the power of your vote

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Speaker 1: and really the broad disproportionate foreign interference that we see

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Speaker 1: that the Left doesn't seem to care about because of course,

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Speaker 1: in this case it works for them. I mentioned before

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Speaker 1: the break the remain in Mexico policy, and apparently Democrats

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Speaker 1: are planning in the House, are planning on probing this policy. Doctors,

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Speaker 1: can you tell us a little bit about what that

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Speaker 1: policy entails regarding asylum claims and then speak to the

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Speaker 1: legitimacy of it. Well, there's international treaties on this that

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Speaker 1: deal with refugees, and the rule is you're supposed to

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Speaker 1: claim refugee status or seek asylum as a refugee or

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Speaker 1: somebody who would be politically prosecuted or persecuted in your

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Speaker 1: home country in the first safe country that you arrive in.

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Speaker 1: That's not what's happening with a massive amount of immigration

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Speaker 1: from Central America and South America through Mexico into the

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Speaker 1: United States. They are just bypassing Mexico or the other

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Speaker 1: countries on their route in order to get to the

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Speaker 1: United States, which is a pretty good indication this is

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Speaker 1: not true asylum effort. They're just trying to get to

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Speaker 1: a better economy, and I don't blame them from trying.

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Speaker 1: The question is whether we were legally obligated to the

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Speaker 1: President Trump saying no, you're gonna have to ask for

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Speaker 1: asylum in the first country of origin or we're not

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Speaker 1: going to accept you. Now, that means people that we're

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Speaker 1: pleaing religious or political persecution in Mexico would have a

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Speaker 1: claim for seeking asylum in the United States. But people

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Speaker 1: coming up from Guatemala and Venezuela or Honduras or Nicaragua

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Speaker 1: through Mexico, where they could seek asylum there, and then

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Speaker 1: bypassing that and seeking it in the United States are

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Speaker 1: leap frogging this rule. Now. I've not done a deep

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Speaker 1: dive on the application of the rule. There's some indication

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Speaker 1: that maybe you have to have a bilateral agreement in

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Speaker 1: place with the particular country, like we would have to

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Speaker 1: have one with Mexico before that can be triggered. I

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Speaker 1: don't know the answer to that, but it's certainly something

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Speaker 1: that the United States ought to be pursuing vigorously is

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Speaker 1: to enforce this international norm that asylum seekers need to

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Speaker 1: ask for asylum when they get to the first safe

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Speaker 1: place to do it. Lastly, in about a minute and

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Speaker 1: a half or so, there was a ruling from I believe,

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Speaker 1: a federal judge in Manhattan putting a temporary halt sorry

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Speaker 1: in Maryland rather putting Freudian slip there, putting a temporary

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Speaker 1: halt on the ability for states, and I believe even

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Speaker 1: smaller jurisdictions than just states, to reject refugees being resettled

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Speaker 1: within their borders by a result of the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: executive action on the matter, which makes intuitive sense. If

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Speaker 1: you don't believe that refugees should be resettled in your state,

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Speaker 1: why should you be forced to accept them? But now

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Speaker 1: a judge just said no, an individual governor, for example,

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Speaker 1: what Governor Abbott in Texas cannot reject refugees being resettled

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Speaker 1: in their states? What do you make of the ruling

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Speaker 1: in general? And then the problem of nationwide injunctions more broadly, well,

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Speaker 1: so the ruling in general, the judge starts off, he's

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Speaker 1: wringing his hand as melogrammatic. He says, this violates every

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Speaker 1: norm and it violates this clear text of the statue

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Speaker 1: and whatever. Well, you know, he doesn't ever actually cite

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Speaker 1: this text of the statue, And the text of the

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Speaker 1: statue specifically says that in our resettlement programs, we're supposed

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Speaker 1: to consult with the state and local government officials, and

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Speaker 1: if they don't want the refugees, we need not place

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Speaker 1: them there. The Trump order doesn't doesn't give the state

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Speaker 1: and local government officials an absolute veto, as the judge claimed.

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Speaker 1: It just says, if we don't want them, the United

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Speaker 1: States is not going to force the refugees on them

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Speaker 1: unless the United States determines that it's absolutely necessary. So

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Speaker 1: on both counts, that the statute doesn't involve the state

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Speaker 1: and local governments, the judge is wrong. And that it

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Speaker 1: gives the state and local governments an absolute veto, the

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Speaker 1: judge is wrong. So I have no doubt that that

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Speaker 1: decision will ultimately be overturned. Whether in the Fourth Circuit

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Speaker 1: Court of Appeals that supervises the Maryland courts or ultimately

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Speaker 1: in the Supreme Court, remains to be seen, but it

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Speaker 1: will eventually be overturned. So flatley contrary to the statute. Now,

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Speaker 1: the other issue about nationwide at junctions. As you ask,

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court is already strongly indicated that there is

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Speaker 1: a huge problem with a single federal trial judge sitting

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Speaker 1: in Baltimore, Maryland, or in Hawaii or in San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: basically altering the political policy judgments of the elected branch

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Speaker 1: of government, the elected president by issuing a nationwide injunction.

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Speaker 1: The leftists on the courts who are smart, understand the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court is about to shoot that whole thing down,

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Speaker 1: and so they are modifying their own district court nationwide

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Speaker 1: injunctions to apply only to the particular parties in the case.

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Speaker 1: But you still get these outlier judges who just think

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Speaker 1: they can buy a stroke of a pen, become president

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Speaker 1: of the United States and set our immigration policy. It's

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Speaker 1: absolutely outrageous, and I look forward to the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: hopefully fighting this vigorously at the Supreme Court and prevailing.

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Speaker 1: All right, doctor Usman, We're going to leave it right there.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for taking the time to come on today.

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Speaker 1: Thanks very much, Ben, Take care and this has been

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Speaker 1: Ben Wangarten in four Bucks exton. I want to thank

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Speaker 1: you for the time and sharing this time with me today.

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Speaker 1: I hope you have a great evening, and we'll be

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Speaker 1: back tomorrow.