1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Sunday hang is brought to you by Chalk Natural supplements 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: for guys, gals, and nothing in between. Fuel your day 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: at Chalk dot com, bold reverence, and occasionally random The 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Sunday Hang With Playing podcast. 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: It starts now. Okay, So we've talked a lot about 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 2: this on the program. Young men, Young women, the failure 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: to get married, not having as many kids historically, young 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 2: men overwhelmingly now voting Trump, young women overwhelmingly voting Kamala. 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: I want you to listen to this woman, this Zoe, 10 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: who is explaining she was dating a man from Indiana. 11 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: She calls him a redneck. He says he's independent. He 12 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: says he is socially liberal and fiscally conservative. 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: And that is this is what you say when you 14 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: want to when you want to spend some time with 15 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: the crazy lib chick. You know, you say, I'm a 16 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: socially liberal but fiscally conservative anyway. 17 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 2: But I do think this is probably something that maybe 18 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 2: you and your own life are experiencing, or you're kids 19 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: or grandkids are dealing with. This failure of men and 20 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: women to come together. There is a seismic gap when 21 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: it comes to politics, and this chick, I'm gonna be 22 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: out honest. Sounds completely and utterly awful, but you can 23 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: judge for yourself. Here's Zoe explaining relationship status when it 24 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: comes to politics. 25 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 3: Everyone knows that I'm a liberal woman. My brother's gay, 26 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 3: all my friends are gay. Also like abortion rights, female rights. Eh. 27 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 3: But anyways, so I would like always ask him. I'd 28 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: be like, what, like, what's your politics? Like who do 29 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 3: you where do you lean? 30 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: And he was just like. 31 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 3: Well, like, socially I'm a liberal, but economically I'm a Republican. 32 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: That okay. 33 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 3: Also, he's a twenty eight year old man. That's the 34 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: first red flag because if there's a twenty eight year 35 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 3: old man and he's single, there's a reason that he's single. 36 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 3: But anyways, so then I'm like, well, like, what makes you, 37 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 3: you know, economically republican? Because like, I could give you 38 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 3: a whole bunch of facts right now that proved that 39 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 3: you shouldn't be. And he was like all of his 40 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: infos from his friends, and I was like, you get 41 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 3: all your information from your friends, You can't trust them. 42 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 3: You need to do the research yourself. And if you 43 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 3: do the research, I told him, I was like, I'll 44 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 3: support you based on your decision if you actually research 45 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 3: it yourself, Like I won't care if you're a Republican. 46 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 3: But anyways, and so he was like, Zoe, I have 47 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 3: much better things to do than research politics. Like I 48 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 3: have way more important things. 49 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: To do, Clay, I'm having flashbacks to first dates in 50 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: New York over many, many years of being a single guy, 51 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: and this this mentality of I'm sorry, I just know everything, 52 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: and like, why do you think you know anything about politics? 53 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: And like abortion rights, gay rights, women's rights, like just 54 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: the whole thing. This is what it's like to be 55 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: in a major Democrat urban center and out on the scene. 56 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: And this guy, whoever he is from Indiana, he dodged 57 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: more bullets than Neo in the matrix. I mean, he 58 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: is so lucky that this did not work out. 59 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: I watched the whole video that you posted because I was, 60 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 2: you know, doing prep this morning, and I so, first 61 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 2: of all, this is a little bit ties in with 62 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: what I talked about at the University of Chicago, the 63 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 2: thing that went megaviral. I think a lot of these 64 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 2: twenty something year old women, I don't know how old 65 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: she is, twenty four to twenty five. First of all, everybody. 66 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: Always older, that she looked older than that. To me, no, 67 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 1: you think older. Well, she was saying he was twenty eight. 68 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: I was assuming that she was probably within a couple 69 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: of years of him. Maybe she's older than maybe she's 70 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: also twenty eight or whatever. But twenty eight is not 71 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: that old, by the way, for a guy to be single. 72 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that it is a major red flag. 73 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: If she had said forty eight, he's never been married, 74 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: I'd be like, you. 75 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: Know, maybe maybe he got a little bit of an 76 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: art nothing against twenty. 77 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, there are there are sixty eight year old guys, 78 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: usually with boats here in Miami who are going out 79 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: with twenty eight year old So I get it. 80 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: But I do think if you're a girl and the 81 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: guys in his mid forties and he's never gotten married, 82 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: probably a little bit of a red flag in general. 83 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: Now you didn't get how old. 84 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: Are you go? Maryirl Clay Travis getting a little uh 85 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: dancing around the minefield here a little bit funny. You know, 86 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: some of us I did to just wait, We didn't 87 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: just get We didn't have the love of our life 88 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: fall into our lap. In law school, some of us 89 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: had to go out there and you know, hunt for 90 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: a while. 91 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: So twenty eight, thirty eight, whatever, But let's go here 92 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: to the essence. I am a little bit sympathetic because 93 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 2: I think a lot of twenty young twenty somethings are morons. 94 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: And you'll look back on some of the things that 95 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 2: you thought when you were twenty or twenty five or 96 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: fifteen or whatever the age is when you get to 97 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: be forty five or fifty or sixty, and you'll say, boy, 98 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: I was really dumb. I didn't have the life experience 99 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 2: to have learned enough. She I think is and I 100 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: think a lot of women are setting themselves up for 101 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: this way. They are thinking that they want a man 102 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: that is one type of man, and they're either not 103 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 2: going to be able to find that guy, or maybe 104 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: even worse buck, she's going to find this effeminate, left 105 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 2: wing loving man and she's actually gonna end up hating him. 106 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 2: Because I'm just telling you, I don't believe there are 107 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: any women out there that actually want to end up 108 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: with feminine men. I don't believe that kind of category 109 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: of women exists. I think they claim that they do, 110 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,799 Speaker 2: and then they realize that they're basically living with another 111 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: woman and he's emotionally unstable, and he's not manly, and 112 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 2: they don't have a loving relationship because what they don't 113 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 2: They don't want somebody who is similar to them. They 114 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: want an actual man, and they don't know it well 115 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 2: at all. 116 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: It all adds up, and yes, I do have trauma, 117 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: trauma from many years of being in New York City 118 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: and trying to convince usually very attractive but very left 119 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: wing women on dates. I'm sort of leaving libertarian these days. 120 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: That's nice. 121 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 2: By the way, I will say this too, how many 122 00:05:58,279 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: of those girls do you think you could have eliminated 123 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 2: if you didn't see them? Because when I listen to 124 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: that girl, as opposed to watch her, she's kind of cute. 125 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 2: If I just listen to her, I'm like, I would 126 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 2: I want to get a nail gun and just put 127 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: it into my head rather than have to listen to this. 128 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: But I think there are a lot of men out there, 129 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 2: maybe the vast majority of them, that are willing to 130 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 2: put up with awfulness beyond belief because the girl's pretty, Like, 131 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: if you just had to listen to her, oh of course, 132 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: you would be like, I'll never go on a date 133 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: with this girl. 134 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: I see this and I don't think this is controversial. 135 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: Though people pretend like this isn't necessarily true. We all 136 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: know it's true. Women make bad decisions about their or rather, 137 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: women are blinded by and then make bad decisions because 138 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: of men's money and status and men. I'm speaking in 139 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: the greatest of generalizations here, but men make bad decisions 140 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: and are blinded because of women's attractiveness. Okay, that is 141 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: I was just speaking about the guys who are in 142 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: their sixties with the boat with the big fancy boats 143 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: here and the twenty five year old girlfriends by the way, 144 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: in Miami Beach. That's not the like happening everywhere. Yeah, 145 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: it's like, this is not something that anybody even really 146 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: notices is happening all over the place. But yeah, the 147 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: guy who owns the boat, you gotta spend time with them. 148 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: That's the thing, you know. It's the it's the Bill, Bill, 149 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: the Bill Belichick, Clay, they're going full full Bill Belichick. 150 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it actually makes sense biologically right, 151 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: because women again biologically are driven primary. 152 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: But I think about it. I mean, and it's gonna 153 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: be a head of Clay Travis, you know, Caveman. Women 154 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: are driven by a desire for security and uh and 155 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: health and safety and success for their offspring. And the 156 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: wealthier and more powerful man can theoretically provide that right. 157 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: So biologically that makes sense. And men like young women 158 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: because young women are more likely to be able to 159 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: have babies. This is why we all exist. Sorry, that's 160 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: my big take, Clay, Yeah, this is this is accurate. 161 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: But okay, So the ideology though, notice she lays out 162 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: all these things her far left politics. Part of it 163 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: is toxic masculinity, alpha manliness. All of those things are 164 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: contrary to her political beliefs. So if you are an 165 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: alpha male who, let's say, believes in even things that 166 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: are not necessarily that political, but things like differentiation of 167 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: the sexes, that men should be protectors, that men are 168 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: generally going to be bigger and stronger, that men should 169 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: be the primary earner in the household, any of those 170 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: sorts of things are going to run a foul of 171 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 1: her beliefs. And so that's why she's going to be, oftentimes, 172 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: I think, miserable trying to find and this is her 173 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: slash all women that have similar beliefs to her, because 174 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: they are excluding as a matter of politics, the kind 175 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: of man that women are generally biologically geared toward liking. 176 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: And at the end of the video, which we didn't 177 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 1: play with you, she's like, and I've been thank well 178 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: ever since. That sort of the funniest because like, yeah, 179 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: no surprise, you've been single ever since. But it is 180 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: in fact highly ideological white women age call it, you know, 181 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: twenty to forty five in America, who are really now 182 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: the base of the Democrat Biden Kamala party. That's who 183 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: they can count on. And if they went to start 184 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: college educated white women twenty to forty five, college educated 185 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: is an important component because that's when the indoctrination happens, 186 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: and that's when they learn all this stuff. 187 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: They also often are ending up single now, and this 188 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 2: is what we were talking about with doctor Laura, Like, 189 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: remember she got really fired up. These are also the 190 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 2: women sometimes that want to have children and they go 191 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: to sperm donors and instead of being able to find 192 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: a man that they could actually have a relationship with, 193 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: they're flipping through binders trying to find guys that they 194 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: can you know, have a baby with, that they never 195 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 2: meet and that their kids have no relationship with. And 196 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: I think they're just making a series of bad choices, 197 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 2: but because they have made those choices themselves, they oftentimes 198 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: need larger societal issues to have created those choices for them. Right, Like, 199 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 2: it's almost like their security blanket is the world is 200 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: so misogynistic and awful that I have no other option. 201 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: Some of these women are gonna get married, and by 202 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: the time they have babies, they'll look back on themselves 203 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: and say, boy, I was a moron. By the way, 204 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: a lot of men get married look back on themselves 205 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 2: and say, boy, you know I was kind of a 206 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 2: moron too. I mean, I think that's the common trajectory. 207 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 2: It's why age adds wisdom, because you have lived through 208 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: every life experience and you can analyze it better at 209 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 2: fifty than you could at fifteen. And so I hope 210 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 2: that some of this is going to happen. But the 211 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 2: other thing is like posting these videos, does she think 212 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 2: that this makes her look really likable? Because are there 213 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 2: other women that are like Slay Queen? Yes, girl like 214 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: Actually to me, I watched the video and I just 215 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 2: felt sorry for her, and it made me find her 216 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 2: profoundly unlikable. Sunday Drop with Clean Buck. There are reports 217 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: this was the Time magazine cover that we have brought 218 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: back a company has. I read all about this yesterday. 219 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 2: I was fascinated by it yesterday afternoon. The dire Wolf, 220 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 2: which is a bigger wolf than the traditional wolf, has 221 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: been thanks to using DNA code, A company is saying 222 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 2: they have brought the dire wolf back from extinction after 223 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: ten thousand years. Now, many of you are going to 224 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 2: be familiar with the idea of the dire Wolf because 225 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 2: you watched Game of Thrones, and the wolves in that 226 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 2: Game of Thrones multi year saga grew into gigantic killing 227 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 2: machines from small puppies. So I wanted to dive into 228 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: this buck back in the day when you and I 229 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: were young. The book before they made the movie Jurassic 230 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: Park by Michael Crichton. The entire concept is that they're 231 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: able to take the DNA of the dinosaurs from these 232 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 2: if I remember correctly, Mosquito's Frozen and Amber, and that 233 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: they are then able to extract that DNA to create 234 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: new dinosaurs. And obviously the Jurassic Park franchise in terms 235 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 2: of movies, has remained incredibly durable and powerful for thirty 236 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 2: some odd years because lots of people remain fascinated by 237 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: dinosaurs in general. Lots of little boys, although not lots 238 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 2: of little girls too. I remember, I think you said 239 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: your nephew knows everything about dinosaurs. When I was a 240 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 2: little kid, I knew everything about dinosaurs. There is a 241 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: great deal of interest still obviously in the Jurassic Universe. 242 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: Yes, and there are other species that could already be 243 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: I think, aren't they working on Mastadon's. 244 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: Or the wooly mammoth for sure made me a mastadon. 245 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: The wooly mammoth, I think is basically going to happen. 246 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 2: In the article that I read, they are going to 247 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: bring back the saber tooth tiger. 248 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: They are they're going to bring back So so my question, 249 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by what the reaction of this audience too 250 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: good or bad? And let me give you a question 251 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: to think about this book. I was just out in 252 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 1: Colorado over spring break, and I bet we have a 253 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: lot of people listening in Colorado right now. And I 254 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: know this has turned into a major issue all over 255 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: the West. They have reintroduced wolves in lots of states 256 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: and communities where the wolf had basically been eradicated. And 257 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: if you have a ranch. Ranchers are furious about this 258 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: because suddenly what I was told I was in Colorado. 259 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, everybody in Boulder and Denver decided they 260 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: wanted to vote to bring back wolves, and all the 261 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: people who live in rural Colorado are like thanks. Jerks like, 262 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: we have no interest in bringing back wolves, and suddenly 263 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: our livestock are getting killed and we're having to worry 264 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: about something that we had eradicated. My thought is, now, 265 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: these dire wolves, there are three of them that they 266 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: say they have brought back, two boys and a that 267 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: they named Romulus and Remus and one girl Pop Will 268 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: they like in Jurassic Park, eventually find their way out 269 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: and then they're suddenly circulating in the community. They say 270 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: that the dire wolf basically covered all of North America 271 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: back in the day ten thousand years ago. If you 272 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: were out, this thing was from Canada all the way 273 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: down into South America. They basically roamed free. They were 274 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: wiped out about ten thousand years ago. What is your 275 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: take on the idea, not only of the dire Wolf, 276 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: Saber too, tiger, wooly mammoth being bringing back extinct animals 277 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: good or bad move? 278 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: What's your take. 279 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: Well, I love the book Jurassic Park, as all of 280 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: you know, and so I find this a fascinating entry 281 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: into the scientific annals that is going on right now. 282 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: I think that, man, the truth is this the same 283 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: way that you know, I've never been to I've never 284 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: been to Africa, but I love knowing that there's all 285 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: these incredible I'm sorry, I have been to Africa. That's 286 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: not true, but I've never been on safari in Africa, 287 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: but that I've been to places where there are no safaris. 288 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: They've been in some rough parts of Africa, but I've 289 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: never done safari. But I love knowing that there are 290 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: lions and hippopotami and all that stuff. So I think 291 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: that it's tough for us to separate out the concept 292 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: of it. This is why when you brought up the ranchers, 293 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: I think that's very afro Po the concept of it 294 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: versus the reality of it. You know, a saber tooth 295 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: tiger is fine until a saber too tiger eats your 296 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: grandma and then you're pretty in This actually came up 297 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: if you you remember when this, I think it was 298 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: Cecil the Lion was the big story and Jimmy Kim 299 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: they killed, yes, And it was like him was like 300 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: crying on TV about Cecil, the lion in Africa who 301 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: on a lawful hunt was shot. 302 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 303 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like Cecil the light is crying and look, 304 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: I love animals, so I get that. And there's something 305 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: that's you know, like I love my little dog Ginger 306 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: so much, and yet I'm gonna eat lamb Shops right 307 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: for dinner. Like I understand some of this stuff. We 308 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: get a little it's about sentimentality over pure logic. Okay, 309 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: But that all said, there was a really interesting Wall 310 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: Street Journal article that I remember from that time, written 311 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: by I think he was a student at Harvard or Princeton, 312 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: who was like, you know what lions mean in my village? Yeah, 313 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: I read people get eaten. Yeah, like this isn't a 314 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: game to us, Like we actually have to control the 315 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: population because they'll eat your dad, they'll eat your sister, 316 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: Like you know, this is a real thing that happens 317 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: to real people, which reminds me of that movie Ghost 318 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: in the Darkness, based on a true story. And I 319 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: know you all know this, and you can go see 320 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: the stuffed carcasses of those lions, and I'm in a 321 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: zoo and I'm in a museum in Chicago. 322 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: Wasn't Val Kilmer in that movie? 323 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: That just yeah? Yeah, it was a Valkilmer movie with 324 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: with Michael Douglas. Kind of a weird casting of Michael Douglas, 325 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: but anyway, Val Kilmer was good in it. And that's 326 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: based on a true story. I mean, these lions became 327 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: habituated to eating people and they're like, wow, people are 328 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: slow and kind of weak, Like, let's just eat them instead. 329 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: So this is all a way to say I think 330 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: for you know, should we bring back dodo birds? 331 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? 332 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: Totally, like should we bring back species that? But you know, 333 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: this is where you also get into clay. I'm here 334 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: in South Florida and you have the boa constrictors and 335 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: and also, uh, what do you call them? The big 336 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: they look like little dragons on iguanas. Yeah. Yeah, and 337 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: and they are invasive. Well, BoA's are definitely an invasive species. 338 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: I think iguanas are two. I don't think they're native 339 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: to hear. They're basically pets that have escaped and now 340 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: they're killing all the native h you know, ecosystem animals off. 341 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: So you have to go hunt them and deal with them. 342 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: True thing. Also, you know that little brown bird that 343 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: you guys all think of, the European house sparrow, probably 344 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: the most common bird in the entire United States everywhere, 345 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: a little kind of brown squat bird. They're an invasive 346 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,959 Speaker 1: species from Europe and they'll they have killed off a 347 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: lot of native bird species because they will break into 348 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: another bird's nest and break their eggs. They're mean, they're 349 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 1: mean little birds. 350 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 2: The honeybee is an invasive species. 351 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: Well, but we like honeybees. 352 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 2: This is gu is the point, right, We like that 353 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 2: honey But people don't realize this. North America, until colonization, 354 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 2: had no honeybees anywhere, and then they slowly spread across 355 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: the entirety of the North American continent. But they were 356 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 2: a invasive species that otherwise didn't exist here. 357 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: Some of you will remember this too. There was a 358 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: fear about fire ants and how they're going to keep 359 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: spreading up and spreading up, and you know they're they're 360 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: you know, dangerous to people if you step on one 361 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: of their ant hills. And there was a briefly discussed 362 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: proposal that I remember reading about the only real, real 363 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: natural predators for the fire ants. They were thinking maybe 364 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: we should introduce it's a South American ant eater, which 365 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: has like six inch long claws and weighs like two 366 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: hundred pounds. And then they're like, well, if we introduce that, 367 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: what's its natural predator jaguars? So you create all these problems, 368 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: the food chain gets dangerous. Okay, So I am in 369 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: favor of this. Here is my thing gets a pet? 370 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: Yes or no? Once they reintroduced you no, no, no. I'm 371 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 1: in favor of it only for keeping them in captivity. 372 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: And I understand some of you are going to say, yeah, 373 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: that's the whole point of Jurassic Park. But I like 374 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: it also for endangered species now, because in theory, it 375 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: would mean there should be no animal that actually vanishes. 376 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 2: Right. You should be able to get the existing DNA 377 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 2: of all all animals that are alive on Earth today, 378 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: and we should be able to create a genetic Noah's 379 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 2: Arc of all living animals here today and be able 380 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 2: to create them. Now, I don't want if I'm a 381 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: I think about this in terms of the farmers out 382 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 2: there and the ranchers. The idea that you would reintroduce 383 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 2: grizzly bears or wolves that are going to attack my livestock. 384 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 2: Is I think different than this. I would nothing else 385 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 2: produce these animals. 386 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: Something else that that would be on the on the 387 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: docket here go. Uh, I believe it's I believe it's 388 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: called a short faced bear. Go look up the short 389 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: faced bear and it's like a grizzly bear times three. 390 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: It's a massive land predator. Uh. That they could also 391 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: along with the saber it's from the same era as 392 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: a saber tooth tiger. They could also bring that one back. 393 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: And I think that you know, you're starting to see 394 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 1: we definitely don't want that, right, I mean, that's that's 395 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: gonna be the same way that polar bears hunt people. 396 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: It's really the only North American land animal. Yeah, I know, 397 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: grizzlies can wolf has never actually attacked it. Healthy wolves 398 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: have never attacked the human being in the history of 399 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 1: North America. Is at least what you that's what they announced. 400 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna say no, but that's what they say. Okay, 401 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: that's what the official statistics are that wolves won't attack 402 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: people if they're healthy. If they're a rabid, that's different. 403 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: Polar bears see you and they're like food food they don't. 404 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: There's no offens or butts, and the same thing would 405 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: be true of a short face bear, so you know, 406 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 1: mean something the thing Let me hit you with this 407 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: one buck. My boys are obsessed with the megalodon, which 408 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: is just a giant shark. In theory, the dire wolf 409 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: can be kept in inside of a fenced enclosure and 410 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,959 Speaker 1: everything else. My concern on this would be that we 411 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: would start to create big, massive animals that are in 412 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: the water, and those are a lot harder to control. 413 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: Have you ever been to, say, for instance, the Atlanta 414 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: Aquarium where they have the whale sharks. You know they've 415 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: never been able to, for instance, keep I believe this 416 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: is still true a great white shark in captivity. They 417 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: just they're impossible to keep inside of museums or aquariums 418 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: anything like that. My concern is that some of these 419 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: that we will create will get out and can you 420 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: imagine a world where suddenly you have instead of a 421 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: great white shark, you've got the megalodon suddenly like rolling 422 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: around in the ocean deep. That starts to get a 423 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: little bit scarier to me. But I think it's the 424 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: reality of where we are going. I think you're going 425 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: to see all of these extinct animals genetically us able 426 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: to bring them back. Now, one more thing. As we 427 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: go to break, some people are saying this is not 428 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: the real animal because of the way they're doing the 429 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: DNA coding, and that gets way more complicated and above 430 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: my pay grade. But I have read some of those critiques.