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Speaker 1: Liberation Radio is proud to present news Week contributor and

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Speaker 1: the host of This Is Revolution Podcast, Pascal Robert. All Right, everyone,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to Liberation Radio. I am Rebecca and I

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Speaker 1: am I'm in coming at you from the beautiful lower

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Speaker 1: Bottoms now in my brand new Hammock. Good for you,

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Speaker 1: and today we have the privilege of speaking to Pascal Robert.

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Speaker 1: He is an accomplished journalist, political commentator, and co host

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Speaker 1: of This Is Revolution podcast. Pascal, we just want to

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Speaker 1: say thank you so much for joining us today. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for having me. I appreciate the opportunity to speak

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Speaker 1: to you guys. Our pleasure, Our pleasure. So to start

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Speaker 1: off with, for our listeners who may not be familiar

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Speaker 1: with you, can you tell us a little bit about

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Speaker 1: yourself and the work that you do. Absolutely. I'm the

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Speaker 1: co host of a podcast called This is a Revolution Podcast.

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Speaker 1: But most of my time as a writer, I had

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Speaker 1: been writing for a publication known as the Black Agenda Report,

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Speaker 1: which is a kind of black radical publication that was

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Speaker 1: started by two formal black panthers in the early millennium

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Speaker 1: who were interested in looking at black politics from a

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Speaker 1: more radical left perspective. Both of These men were very

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Speaker 1: much direct mentors and teachers of mind and gave me

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Speaker 1: an understanding of what I call Black radical critical analysis,

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Speaker 1: which is the way in which we analyze black politics

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Speaker 1: to look at it outside the simple lens of reducing

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Speaker 1: everything to simply being about racism, but challenging things from

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Speaker 1: the question of how things like capitalism, imperialism, as well

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Speaker 1: as other phenomenon affect communities of color, particularly black communities,

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Speaker 1: because often times what we find is that when you

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Speaker 1: simply reduce things to racism, you sometimes neglect the way

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Speaker 1: in which other institutional mechanisms within society have a role

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Speaker 1: in actually disadvantaging communities that are more economically and socially

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Speaker 1: on the margin. I'm not after our own hall, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean you talk about the black political class. Can

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Speaker 1: you just define what that is for our listeners. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: the black political class is a social phenomenon as well

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Speaker 1: as an institutional phenomenon. It is a reality that comes

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Speaker 1: about largely because of this post civil rights era, but

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Speaker 1: it actually has and to see this that goes about

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Speaker 1: into the early nineteenth century, basically because the United States

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Speaker 1: is a country that realized that it necessarily had the

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Speaker 1: requirement of having Black people in America somewhat dislocated from

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Speaker 1: their ability to effectively implement their rights. There is a

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Speaker 1: requirement to neutralize independent voices in the black community and

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Speaker 1: reduced black people to a phenomenon called race relations. In

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Speaker 1: other words, black people as a whole had to relate

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Speaker 1: to white people as a whole. And one of the

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Speaker 1: consequences of this race relations paradigm is that it forced

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Speaker 1: and allowed the ruling class to choose what I call

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Speaker 1: racial ventriloquists, people who are not really elected by the

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Speaker 1: black community, but we chose it to be quote unquote

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Speaker 1: racial spokespeople, if you will. For example, we hear things

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Speaker 1: about the black leaders. I always ask ask your cost,

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Speaker 1: when do you get the ballot to choose the black

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Speaker 1: leader that represents the issues of the black community. I

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Speaker 1: never get the ballot. I don't know anyone else who

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Speaker 1: gets that ballot. But what seems to happen is that

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Speaker 1: the ruling class and the media established always seems to

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Speaker 1: have the capacity to pick an individual from this selected

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Speaker 1: establishment to be the voice of this community. Who never

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Speaker 1: does the choosing of who that voice happens to be.

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Speaker 1: What the black political class is is the assortment of

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Speaker 1: not only political officials, but civil rights officials, media establishments,

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Speaker 1: the black church, historically black fraturnities and sororities, all of

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Speaker 1: these social, political, and cultural institutions that act as the

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Speaker 1: voice of the quote unquote black community, if you believe

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Speaker 1: there is such a thing as one black community without

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Speaker 1: having any real fiduciary responsibility to the opinions of the community,

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Speaker 1: but are chosen by the ruling class to be that

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Speaker 1: of the ruling class, to the detriment of those actual

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Speaker 1: black and brown communities. So that is the best way

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Speaker 1: I could use to explain what the black political class represents. Wow,

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Speaker 1: that was a lot of taking out there. That the

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Speaker 1: idea that the black political class isn't chosen by the

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Speaker 1: people that they claim to represent is so subversive because

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Speaker 1: it means that the people who speak for you might

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Speaker 1: not in many cases, I suppose, would be uh as

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Speaker 1: but it could be financial institutions. It could be your banks.

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Speaker 1: It could be the gentrifying, you know, commercial realistate developers.

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Speaker 1: which I pejoratively called fat back and biscuits, that lines

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Speaker 1: brown communities. Right, And I've read, uh some pecs you've

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Speaker 1: uh to racism, And so I'm curious about that. Can

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Speaker 1: the sad tragedy that racism being such an endemic reality

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Speaker 1: in the lives of black people in America is that

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Speaker 1: all politics are almost always reacting to the racist treatment

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Speaker 1: individuals in white society. So one of the consequences of

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Speaker 1: always reacting to racism is that it doesn't allow black

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Speaker 1: economic and social realities. But it's kind of like this

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Speaker 1: kind of like on the moment, on the fly thing

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Speaker 1: you'll see how black politics it's always reacting to the

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Speaker 1: never any time in which black politics becomes proactive in

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Speaker 1: addressing long term strategies as to how exactly the material

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Speaker 1: realities that affect the conditions of Black people lives who

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Speaker 1: are disproportionately working class and working poor needs to be

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Speaker 1: that way, it kind of means that the answer is

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Speaker 1: only ever two dimensional, you know, like, oh, we solve

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Speaker 1: this racist problem for you, go away, don't ask for

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Speaker 1: anything else. There you go. It's a very good way

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Speaker 1: of looking at it. I agree completely. So what conditions

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Speaker 1: do you think are necessary for real black liberation? That's

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Speaker 1: a very good question. The question becomes when you said

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Speaker 1: real black liberation, liberation from what exactly. I often hear

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Speaker 1: black people say we need to get all freedom, what

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Speaker 1: exactly all being free from black people on picking cotton

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Speaker 1: and slaves that were in the past. For me, the

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Speaker 1: liberation is capitalism. Why because capitalism as an economic model

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Speaker 1: requires a term that we use as this revolution. It's

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Speaker 1: a fancy word to say it requires a surplus labor requirement.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean? There's always gonna be a faction

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Speaker 1: that's got to be relegated to quote unquote brokenness, if

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Speaker 1: a racially binary society, that minority is going to be racialized.

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Speaker 1: Why because of sixty and of the population who were

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Speaker 1: They would rebel so, in other words, to be crass

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Speaker 1: about it. Capitalism requires an n word factor in order

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Speaker 1: capitalism is racialized in that way, if we actually had

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Speaker 1: they would rebel. Not that socialism is going to end racism,

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Speaker 1: but socialism, in my opinion, ends the capacity of having

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Speaker 1: lives of everyone in society. So, in other words, in

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Speaker 1: discriminates against their interests. That's the dream. That's the dream

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Speaker 1: other words, my position is this, I'm not saying that

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Speaker 1: your image affect you nextively, and how you view yourself,

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Speaker 1: So instead of simply worrying about complaining about how he

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Speaker 1: monopolized by him, and they have to be distributed in

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Speaker 1: like in the modern era? Is that what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: That's Chuck Ship. Yes, shit, it's fine. Nothing, We're already

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Speaker 1: they won't find any incriminating evidence on those computers. Dumbasses. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: so dizzy and light bulah Are you okay? Oh? Here

426
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: comes to the darkness. Rebecca, where are we What do

427
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: you mean? We're on a bus? Shit? Another blackout. That's

428
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: twice in one day, and it's the first time I've

429
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: had one with another person around, and judging from the

430
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: fact that the sun is now down, I must have

431
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: been out for a while. She must know something's up.

432
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: But I've got to play this cool of are so

433
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: now we're on a bus? I meant, what neighborhood? That's

434
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: like married right there? Yeah? Sure, as I must be blind?

435
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's Poppins? Who's blind? After what you did?

436
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: Is she serious? Did I heard the guy? Oh no,

437
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: I must play it cool. Yeah right, he's fine. You're right.

438
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: He is such a drama Leean. So um, you really

439
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: think it's him? Huh? There's no way he's a rat. Huh.

440
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: But you literally called him a two faced rat to

441
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: his face and then you dumped a beer on his head.

442
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: I did, But why would I say that? I Poppins

443
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: is your guy? Where are we going now? I told

444
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 1: you you might be sure about Poppins, but I need

445
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: to check everyone out before I make any conclusions. You know,

446
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: you've been acting extra weird today. It's almost like you

447
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: like I've it, and it's funny. There were a few

448
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: times you kind of just reminded me of Savannah. You're right,

449
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: that is funny. This is it our last stop. It's

450
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,719
Speaker 1: gonna hurt more than the others. I've been here before.

451
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: I doubt that Basil lives here, but it feels so familiar. Why.

452
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: I can't explain what I'm feeling right now? I just no,

453
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: it's not good. Come on, let's get this over with.

454
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: Can I get eat you something to drink? Basil's place

455
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 1: is pretty clean and orderly for a guy who lives alone.

456
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: For starving artist Barista, a place near Lake Merritt must

457
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: be a fortune. I'm not sure what I was expecting,

458
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: but it's not this nothing for me, Basil. I'll have

459
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: a glass of water coming right though. So what brings

460
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: you here? Unknownst one glass of water for miss Bulah. Thanks.

461
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: I care about you, Basil a lot. Don't tell me

462
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: you're breaking up with me. I want to know what

463
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: you've been doing. I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

464
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: You saw jewelry at the cafe and work behind the

465
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: counterpart time. Yeah, you don't live in the bottoms. You

466
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: don't seem to want for much. My parents support me

467
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: and not this. I know that's what you told me.

468
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: It's true. Maybe it is, But can you explain why

469
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: I saw an FBI agent leaving your house earlier? Yeah,

470
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: that's right. I came by this morning after the raid,

471
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: only to see the man responsible for it shaking your hand.

472
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: Chuck was here. He came over unquestioned me questions about you, Rebecca. Yeah,

473
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: I'm not finished. A few minutes after he left, guess

474
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: who showed up. Yeah that's right, my best friend, Beaule

475
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: of Rhodes. I saw Beaulet looking like a ghost wearing

476
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: Savannah dress, and it clicked Basil's FBI. Rebecca, I'm not

477
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: an FBI agent. Maybe it's just a stress of everything

478
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: that's happen catching up to you know. Oh please just

479
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: stop gaslighting. Really, you two have been collaborating the whole time.

480
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: I trusted you, Basil. Are you even Jamaican? Of course

481
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: I'm Jamaican. Yeah, you're pretty slick, is what you are?

482
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: You know. I've gotta make my bullshit. Reader is usually

483
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: so good too, But you got me. If y'all just

484
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: sleeping together, I would never do that, but I can't

485
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: deny it. Can I I woke up in Savannah dress.

486
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: I can't account for my time. Rebecca's right. There's nothing

487
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: I can do but tell the truth. Rebecca. I haven't

488
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: been well. Really, I've been having these blackouts. I can't

489
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: neverthealize you. All day long, I've waited for you to

490
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: tell me the truth, to come clean. This ship wasn't

491
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: even about Poppins and Ernie. It's about you and me friends.

492
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: Right then, I give you one more chance before I

493
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: cut ties. Rebecca, Please please, I don't remember coming here.

494
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: It was nice of you to play along with the

495
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: fine rat game. I guess the game's over now, isn't it. Yeah,

496
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: this is the last time I speak to you ever.

497
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: Stay away from me. Oh my god, you know what

498
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: is I'm definitely not okay. I need you to tell

499
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: me what the hell is going on? Right now? Yah,

500
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: she's gone. There's no need to pretend any pretend pretend

501
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: what the night is the storage locker? Earlier today I

502
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: blacked out. That's the truth. I know you take it

503
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: covered very seriously. I tortinally get it. But aren't you

504
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,479
Speaker 1: relieve that everything is out and the open? Now? Come on?

505
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: Give me a huge off me. Are you listening to me?

506
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: What is all this between me and you? This was

507
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: our job. I feel bad Rebecca got hurt, but he's done.

508
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: Chuck confirmed it earlier. He's got everything he needs. Now

509
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: you and I can finally move on with our lives.

510
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: Get out of workland unstopped over. You have no idea

511
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: how crazy this sounds to me right now? This is bananas.

512
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: I barely even know you. Is this your attempt to

513
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: deal with your guilt over the bomb? Bomb? What I

514
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: agreed to twart because you couldn't have it on your conscience?

515
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: What was the points if you're still gonna feel about anyway?

516
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: You bombed, resist, refused, cafe? Yes, and you build it?

517
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: Not a very good one, but good enough. Wow. Look,

518
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: I'll give you some spears. Figure your ship talked, You're

519
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: nowhere to find hold on. I have a question. Why

520
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: is Chuck so obsessed with Rebecca and Owen? What's she

521
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: up to that's so dangerous? Really, Beula, you're the one

522
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: who briefed me on this. Just tell me California independence

523
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: steers secession. They want California to become its own sovereign country.

524
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: So you see we're the good guys. Good you said,

525
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: we're the good guys, Basil. We bombed the cafe, A

526
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: man died, and for what. Ox chuck about Dot one,

527
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: What do you mean, he added, It didn't say why.

528
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: Neither of us wanted to do it, but it's not

529
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: our job to question us. This is way more messed

530
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: up than I could have imagined, and something tells me

531
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: this isn't over, despite Basil's optimism. In fact, it feels

532
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: like the beginning of something, not the end. Rebecca is

533
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: not going to stop quitting, isn't in her DNA. And now,

534
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: for some reason, there's one question swirling in my mind

535
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: so loud I can almost hear it. What would Savannah

536
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: do