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Speaker 1: Hansus and I'm joining room filled with I'm heroes. Patrick

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Speaker 1: watch the last two years of tape on mac last

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Speaker 1: three years he hasn't played, And yeah that he has

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Speaker 1: favorite time of year, So let's dig in to some

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Speaker 1: saucy narratives of the off season. Are we buying, we're selling?

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Speaker 1: We hold in? Okay, okay, okay, Well, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to like undermine your segment. I'm still not clear what

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Speaker 1: a narrative our segment. Lest you're back from vacation, rejoined

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Speaker 1: the group I'm in. I've got some narratives that I

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Speaker 1: think our narratives, but I'm still not sure what a narrative.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to start with you then, so we'll

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Speaker 1: get we'll get things off on a steady foot and

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Speaker 1: let me get it going. I'll start with, uh, there's

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Speaker 1: a report you ready? Is a report count as a

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Speaker 1: narrative or does it help to That's what I'm saying

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Speaker 1: what is the na call it narratives, the stories. I

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Speaker 1: feel like report is only one faction of the narrative.

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Speaker 1: That a report would not be a narrative. The segment

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Speaker 1: could be is this a narrative? This is what you know?

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Speaker 1: It's funny, that's true. What's funny is that, for instance,

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Speaker 1: report today, an NFL talent evaluator told NJ Advanced Media

488
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Speaker 1: is Matt Lombardo the Johnson select the USC quarterbacks Sam

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Speaker 1: Donald Donald if he is available at number two overall. Okay,

490
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Speaker 1: I was gonna do mine and the name of it

491
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Speaker 1: that was gonna be in the news. Now it's moved

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Speaker 1: from the news. That was also going to be my narrative. Okay,

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Speaker 1: here we go. I had it as the Giants will

494
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Speaker 1: trade out of the number two pick or select a

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Speaker 1: player who is in a quarterback. That was the narrative.

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Speaker 1: That that is kind of the narrative, and I will

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Speaker 1: sell hard on that narrative for this reason, um that

498
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Speaker 1: the Giants are too smart to mess this up. In

499
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Speaker 1: my opinion, knowing this organization and knowing everything, there have

500
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Speaker 1: been bumps on the on the road recently for the Giants.

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Speaker 1: They really butchered the the ELI benching and how that

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Speaker 1: was handled in general, and maybe some people aren't so

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Speaker 1: hot on this head coach higher Uh. The two thousand

504
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Speaker 1: seventeen football season, I feel like was a misstep for

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Speaker 1: the New York It was and maybe that's either you

506
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Speaker 1: could look at it two ways, trying to win football games.

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Speaker 1: You could look at it two ways. It's either that

508
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Speaker 1: was a bump in the road for the organization, a

509
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Speaker 1: bad year last year, or maybe they they have some

510
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Speaker 1: issues right now upstairs and it's leading to bad decision making. However,

511
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Speaker 1: they are number two, and they're very lucky to be

512
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: there because they haven't been this bad in many years,

513
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Speaker 1: and it just happened to fall where they had dropped

514
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Speaker 1: the three and thirteen bomb when this was a rich

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Speaker 1: prospect class. They're sitting at number two ELI and you

516
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Speaker 1: guys know, you guys love this stuff. He's thirty seven

517
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Speaker 1: and is showing clear signs of decline at this point.

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Speaker 1: And I know they you know, they love the Notre

519
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Speaker 1: Dame guard and I know they love the Penn State

520
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Speaker 1: running back and all that. But it is just crazy

521
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Speaker 1: to me to think that they would not build a

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Speaker 1: bridge to the future with one of these hot shot guys.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who it would be, but I would

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Speaker 1: be stunned if they trade out or don't take a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So I am absolutely selling on the idea that they

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Speaker 1: don't do it. This was mine narrative too, and I

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Speaker 1: would just add that, especially against the backdrop of what's

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Speaker 1: going on in the NFL this offseason, it's far as

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Speaker 1: the price that teams are paying to get up, go

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Speaker 1: up and get a quarterback. What the Jets gave up

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Speaker 1: to go up to get in a position to take

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. The Giants are already in that position, and

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Speaker 1: you're telling me they're gonna pass on a guy who

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Speaker 1: can replace Eli Manning. Who come on, that guy cannot

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Speaker 1: carry the Giants offense. They'd be even as I'm an

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Speaker 1: Eli supporter, as you guys know, but they would be

537
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Speaker 1: very lucky if Eli gives them two more years of

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Speaker 1: even average quarterback play. It's just the nature of the

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Speaker 1: game and the worst I'm on Dan side on this,

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Speaker 1: and in fact, more confusion with the narrative. How does

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Speaker 1: this even become a report that some random talent evaluator,

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Speaker 1: not even in the Giants front office, is saying what

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Speaker 1: the Giants will do at number two, as if David

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Speaker 1: Gettleman is gonna tell some guy not affiliated with the

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Speaker 1: organization what his plans are at number two. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: why I can't be the dominating narrative because it's completely

547
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Speaker 1: or not take unless, of course, it's a Gettleman smoke screen. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I think he's doing a little. Now we're through the

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Speaker 1: looking class, but I would I would leaning leaning hold here, Um,

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Speaker 1: I I agree um that it's it's a preposterous situation

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Speaker 1: considering the prices as West mentioned. But if somebody does,

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Speaker 1: let's say Buffalo is there at twelve and they've got

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Speaker 1: their cachet picks, if they do make an offer, that's

554
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Speaker 1: wild to geentleman, and he's not sold on Josh Rosen

555
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Speaker 1: like a lot of people are. Um, Like, I would say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Rozen's there, if Donald's there, you take one think that

557
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: if you look at history, gentleman has never traded back

558
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Speaker 1: in the first round. That doesn't necessarily mean anything but

559
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 1: just worth note. But you know, if if in Buffalo

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Speaker 1: that's what they want to do and the price is right,

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00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: I can see them trading out. But who knows they

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Speaker 1: might have traded with the Jets if the Jets had

563
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Speaker 1: just picked up the phone. I mean that that was

564
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: a crazy decision by the Jets not to call the Giants.

565
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Speaker 1: Because I am buying this narrative. I'm on the other side,

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Speaker 1: and it's because I just think they've gone too far

567
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Speaker 1: down the road with Eli Manning in terms of telling

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Speaker 1: him how much love him. He made it very clear

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Speaker 1: after the season that he did not want a number

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Speaker 1: two overall pick in the building. That that story has

571
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Speaker 1: kind of been forgotten because it was even before Pat

572
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Speaker 1: Shermer was hired, but he made it pretty clear in

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Speaker 1: some interviews that he wouldn't really appreciate that what quarterback

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Speaker 1: would not blaming him at all. My point is that

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00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: they have gone so far to the mat form with

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Speaker 1: him publicly, and they've kind of talked about building this

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Speaker 1: offense and how Pat Shermer is the perfect guy. From like,

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Speaker 1: I'm I believe them because I don't think I think

579
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Speaker 1: taking him almost would be a slap in the face

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00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: the Eli mean not, you know, as much as people

581
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Speaker 1: thought started Gino Smith was. But I think the way

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Speaker 1: that they've positioned it that they've said Eli is our guy,

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Speaker 1: and so I I am believing them that they want

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a good idea, but I think

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Speaker 1: that's what they're gonna do. They're gonna take Chub or

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Speaker 1: someone that trade back. They'll be right back in the

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00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: same position next. I kind of agree with you as

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Speaker 1: a As a you know, I haven't necessarily rooted on

589
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: the Giants over the years on this show. I'm fine.

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00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: I'm fine with them sticking with the ELI go for it,

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00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: all right, let's move on, Patrick, Do you want to

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Speaker 1: try yes, let it rip submit this if it is

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Speaker 1: a narrative, the idea of a culture change to fix

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Speaker 1: your team and make it a better team. In two

595
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Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen, I've googled Chicago Bears culture change. I've

596
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: googled Miami Dolphins culture change. Um, I've heard that the

597
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers are going to change the culture in

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Speaker 1: their locker room. The Raiders plan on doing it. Well,

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Speaker 1: they can't, for the life of me, figure out what

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Speaker 1: the hell it means. So the general idea of a

601
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Speaker 1: culture he's thinking big that it even means something. All right,

602
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: that's a narrative. So what are you are you? You're yes,

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Speaker 1: superstar on this nebula idea that you're going to change

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Speaker 1: the culture of your locker room. You can change the

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Speaker 1: culture of your locker room if you have the right

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Speaker 1: guy that comes in and can do it. Like Old Parcels,

607
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: he could change the culture of an organization overnight. But

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00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: there aren't a lot of Bill Parcels is most of

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Speaker 1: the If you're asking Matt Patricia to change the culture,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. But in a lot of the teams

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Speaker 1: you mentioned aren't even changing. I'll allow it. If you're

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Speaker 1: changing your coach, right, who's gonna have meetings at a

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Speaker 1: different time. But if you get rid of Vandamican, Sue

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Speaker 1: and Jarvis Landry and so now it's like we've got

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Speaker 1: a different well that I agree with to. As it

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Speaker 1: turns out, banishing j A. G. I E to the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl Champions doesn't really change your culture. I disagree.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it really had a positive effect on

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Speaker 1: j Gian. That's true. Is Adam Gatee is gonna be

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Speaker 1: changing the culture or is that culture going to be

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Speaker 1: improved just because Sue's not there? Even though there's a

622
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Speaker 1: lot of talk that Sue wasn't even a bad guy,

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Speaker 1: it was just a situation where he got stuck with

624
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: that type of stigma. I'll sell that too, because fifty

625
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: there's fifty three guys, there's ninety in the off season,

626
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: then there's fifty three and in the season that's It's like,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to change an entire culture just with you

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Speaker 1: know whatever that even mean, what does it mean? Doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean anything? But our ability to change it by making

630
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: decisions is overrated. It evolves naturally and and usually from

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Speaker 1: a bunch of people playing on the same team together,

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00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: coming up together. But even then you can add somebody

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Speaker 1: who changes that. I do believe that culture can be changed.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think we can. We can do it

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Speaker 1: whatever we want to or however we want to. It's

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Speaker 1: beyond our control. I might have picked I might have

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Speaker 1: picked up bad. No, I thought that was it was

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00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: good because all it's all auto cell and it's just

639
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: like all right West this provocative votive. Again, confusion with

640
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: the narrative here, But pick pick from any of the above.

641
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen's intelligence is a problem. His status is millennial

642
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: is a problem. Him being too stubborn or cocky is

643
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: a problem. How about he had two concussions last year.

644
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: Shouldn't we be talking more about that than all of

645
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: this nonsense about having as Kevin Clark from The Ringer

646
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: put a lot of the same traits as Tom Brady

647
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers mentally and Peyton Manny mentally. And this

648
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: is what's getting picked apart the guy. Here's what we

649
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: know about Joss Rogan. He everybody agrees he can play,

650
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: and he's smart enough to do everything in NFL quarterback

651
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: has to do with the line of scrimmage and post snap,

652
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: So he can play, and he's smart, and we're worried

653
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: about all this other nonsense that I'm I'm selling on

654
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: any of that meaning anything, Um, I'm with you. Yeah,

655
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: the especially the way that Moura put it. He's a

656
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: guy that wants to know why good Like why is

657
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: that a bad thing? Bake Sean McVeigh would have any

658
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: problem with that. The smart coaches get that. And maybe

659
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: Moura would say, and I don't wanna because More has

660
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: gotten himself in enough trouble. I don't want to, you know,

661
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: I don't think he never necessarily said the y comment

662
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: and then the millennial thing as a hardcore negative thing.

663
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: But you have to have the right staff to handle

664
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: a y guy. And it's like, I mean, if you

665
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: don't have that, if you don't have that staff, then

666
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: you're like rich co tight staff or something, and you

667
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: already screwed anyway. If you don't have that staff, you're

668
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: playing for like eight and eight. If you're if you

669
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: don't have that staff, you're you're coming in, you know,

670
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: working for anval network. And people were, oh, no, people

671
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: were confused about, like, well, is that is that a

672
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 1: negative thing that Jim Mora saying it. He was saying

673
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,479
Speaker 1: it in response to a question about why he would

674
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: have put Donald as the pick for the Browns. So

675
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: even that was weird because Donald was more suited to

676
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: the city he would be playing. And what does that

677
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: even mean? They're they're from like twenty five minutes apart. Yeah,

678
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: what is He's like? It's like Sam Donald's from a

679
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: cold town. It's hard, down on his luck. He's coming on.

680
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: And then you've got Josh Rosen, the liberal elite out

681
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: there with his anti Trump statements, and it's like, oh,

682
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: because honestly, I feel like that's the root of it,

683
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: that he's smart in the wrong direction. Yeah, the concussion

684
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: thing is is a concern, though, a fair thing to

685
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: bring up. Yeah, the the health risks are fair because concussions.

686
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: What we know is that if you have one or

687
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: two or three, you're more likely to have more. We

688
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: just don't know. We have no ability to predict predict

689
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 1: when those concussions will happen. Greg Yourn, all right, here's

690
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: a narrative for you. Yeah, the Rams, they've added too

691
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: many good too many players, too many guys. I mean

692
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna be they're asking too much of Sean McVeigh.

693
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: Much like a lot of a lot of different personalities here,

694
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: a lot of changes, a lot of you know, keep

695
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: to leave and sue and peters handle and expectations. There

696
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: are people that that's your narrative. A team needs to

697
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: sign a bunch of players without personalities. It's just a

698
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: U So you're selling that narrative. I don't know, are

699
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: we are we? Yeah? I'm sick. Yeah, I thought you

700
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: were just throwing them out. I think you could definitely

701
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,479
Speaker 1: argue they're less likely to repeat their success just because

702
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 1: so much went right last year and health is always

703
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: and then if you're one of the healthiest teams of

704
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: the last decade. But I don't think it's because Wave

705
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: Phillips and Sean mc can't control these men. Too many players?

706
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: What yeah, what does it mean? Actually, it means that

707
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: will be so much new talent that they might struggle

708
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: to find for these guys maybe to get comfortable and

709
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: also to find that put them into the scheme in

710
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: a way that will be as successful as the previous players.

711
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: People are uncomfortable. I think with the idea in football

712
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: that like, okay, you add a bunch of star players

713
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 1: and then suddenly you're good, because that doesn't necessarily work

714
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: because it's such a team game. But that's like so

715
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: many of the recent champions have added a ton of

716
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: players like to see, including the Philadelphia Eagles. I mean,

717
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: which team made more transactions over the last two seasons

718
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: than the Eagles? Like Addie like I I think that's

719
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: kind of an old That's the way NFL used to

720
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: work when you were able to have continuity. But adding

721
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: a lot of players like that alone is not going

722
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: to make me discount you at all. That's basically how

723
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: the NFL works out. I think the narrative is an

724
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: offshoot of distraction truth ring, Like, uh, you know, these

725
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: these guys, they're going to have a conversation in the

726
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: locker room and then they're not gonna like each other

727
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: and they're not going to play well because they're distracted. Right,

728
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the idea. Somebody's gonna say something.

729
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: Do you know your your team is in a really

730
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: good place? If the number one narrative of doubt is

731
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: are there too many good players? Right? And and like

732
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: expect how are they going to handle expectations, which is

733
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: like they were. They were one of the worst teams

734
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: in the league two years ago. So if that's like

735
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: your biggest issue, it all comes back to culture. Do

736
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: you have a culture in place that can handle expectations? Culture,

737
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: in this instance is a gym that you find another

738
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: narrative kind of that Sean McVeigh can can do anything

739
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: that they just trust you know, send send you people

740
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: to Sean McVeigh. It helps when your offensive coach is

741
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: smarter than the rest of the offensive less than a

742
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: year older than in Dominican Sue by the way over

743
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: under Rams wins Patrick clay bout twelve and a half,

744
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: it's been set, you said eleven and a half. Last

745
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: week it moved up. I just want to see if

746
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: anybody was super bullish on this Rams team, just checking

747
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 1: it's a tough conference. I don't have that much confidence

748
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: in Jared Cough. Sorry, that's fair, that's fair. Alright, one

749
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: more time through I will talk the Buffalo Bills, and

750
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: the narrative around the Bills is that they will use

751
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: their two first round picks, I believe at twelve and

752
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: twenty two or one one of those, uh to get

753
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: one of the quote big four? Who are the big

754
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: four we know by now, Sam Donald, Josh Rosen, Josh

755
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: Allen or Baker Mayfield. Why doesn't Lamar Jackson get to

756
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: be part of a big five? He has not been

757
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: brought up in that narrative sense because like he's in

758
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: the he's been grouped with the Lamar Jackson and then

759
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: uh so the four is a subset narrative of the

760
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: prime arrat Yes, am, I I'm right right. These are

761
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: their four guys. They were grouped together that I think

762
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: Jaxon and Mason Rudolpher and that like next tier it seems.

763
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: And I think the over under on quarterbacks taking in

764
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 1: the first round it is probably five and a half

765
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: or even six, you know, because I think at this

766
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: point people expect Jackson to go in the first round

767
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,479
Speaker 1: and and maybe Mason Rudolf anyway, So yeah, the Bills

768
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: will use their two first round picks to get one

769
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: of the Big four or make a play to get

770
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: one of the Big four. I am buying on this

771
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: just because they're they're in too deep now because the

772
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: Jets made their move, So they're going to get one

773
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 1: of the Big four. The Patriots now, of all teams,

774
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: it's like an Independence Day when the ship goes over

775
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: the White House and it's just waiting there and you're

776
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: waiting for them to strike. That's the Patriots. So that

777
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: adds more like stress and anxiety. I'm sure on One

778
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: Bill's Drive or wherever they play, wherever their facility is,

779
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: I think that might be right. Actually I think it

780
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: is One Bill's Drive in Western New York. Uh So,

781
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: what is Billy being gonna do? Brandon Bean, He's not

782
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: gonna He's not gonna stay and let the pick come

783
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: to him. I don't think. And by the way, I

784
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: believe he trade or the Bills traded out of their

785
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: pick that became Patrick Mahomes last year. So you got

786
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: that history, and and I just don't think that they

787
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,959
Speaker 1: are gonna come to this point to let the draft

788
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: come to them, because they would have serious egg on

789
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: their face, especially if you don't believe a J. McCarron

790
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: is a sixteen game starter. So I believe they make

791
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: a big move and it might cost more than those

792
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: two first surrounders to get it done at this point.

793
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: And I think this is very good news for the

794
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: Browns at four, the Broncos at five, potentially the Colts

795
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: at six, definitely, maybe even the Bucks and Bears at

796
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: seven or eight. I think the Bills are making another

797
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: move to get up. No, I don't think anything they've

798
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: done makes sense if they don't end up falling through

799
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: on that now nobody unless unless they love Lamar Jackson

800
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: and they think he's gonna get to them. But wait,

801
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: I think even if it was Lamar Jackson, they would

802
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: maybe want to move up to make sure they don't

803
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: get left out in the cold. It's kind of I

804
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: would think it would be a very unsettling time to

805
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: be in the Bills front office when you see what's

806
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: happening your division during this drap, especially after you're amassing

807
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: all of this UH material in slow motion, and then

808
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: the Jets bang you and go ahead and make their

809
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: and then you're you're sitting there and left with all

810
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: this ammunition. They already got banged by the Jets, and

811
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: you don't even know if you can if you can

812
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: use it here. So I'm going to buy it as well.

813
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: I don't very rare that the Jets bang anyone, so

814
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: I'll take they've got him a check. I'll buy it

815
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: as well because I think one of those quarterbacks that

816
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: they don't necessarily have to get into the top four

817
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: or even five, that that drafts are surprising, and maybe

818
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: one of them that they happen to like slips past

819
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: and they only have to move up to eight and

820
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: it's not going to cost him a crazy amount. They're

821
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: gonna do it. They're gonna sit around. They made the

822
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: playoffs last year and they are not currently relevant. So

823
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 1: what do you do in the NFL to become relevant?

824
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: Because this is a team without an identity. What do

825
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 1: you think of when you think of the Bills? Their

826
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: defense that Sean McDermott in theory has a sound, They're

827
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: a they're a team in theory sound sneak theory. And

828
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm no, I'm just saying like they were a solid

829
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: defense last year. It's like, oh, they tackled. Well, they

830
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: you know they didn't. And if the team is desperate

831
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: for relevance and really wants to finally get back on

832
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: the map, and the Bills really, even though they made

833
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: the playoffs, Baker Mayfield feels like a guy that they

834
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: would nabe just say if it, let's fly and see

835
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: if this works out. They're the vlat of Vostok of

836
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: the NFL. They're literally off the map. I was thinking,

837
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: what that's the West rep. I don't get it's an

838
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: outpost in. Patrick probably knows it's now post in Well,

839
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: you both closer to Japan, but yeah, it's There are

840
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: many teams that you could qualify as a rebuilding in

841
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: the NFL right now. I think the Bills would qualify

842
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals would qualify. Not sure if any others.

843
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,959
Speaker 1: I guess the Bears, Bears have been for a while.

844
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: Jet I guess I was thinking NFC off at that man,

845
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: uh Ryan Tanne, who still quarterback of the future in Miami.

846
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: That's a good one. I'm gonna hold thought it wasn't

847
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: gonna happen. You thought it wasn't gonna happen. It's happening.

848
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: And here's why. Because they they are holding, they aren't

849
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: really sure. They don't really they're not buying, but they

850
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: don't aren't filled with the confidence and maybe not with

851
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 1: the agreement between coaches in front office, and they don't

852
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: know how this draft and everything is gonna go. So

853
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: maybe this isn't a good position to be in holding

854
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: from their end. But I don't think they know whether

855
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: they can do better, So they're just kind of seeing

856
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. If it depends on the draft though.

857
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: If the draft shakes out differently and quarterbacks are there

858
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: at eleven, does that Yeah, then if that impacts decision,

859
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: then are they really that invested in him in the

860
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: first place. I very rarely. It's a great it's a

861
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: great point, Patrick, it's I rarely get a chance, or

862
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: we don't get a chance. We'll we go off reports

863
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: and things. But we actually had the head coach in

864
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: the room with us at the owners meetings, and the

865
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 1: way he explained it, you know, he said, I've only

866
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: had Ryan for thirteen of my thirty three games, and

867
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: the way I read it, and and he was an interesting,

868
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: interesting guy to try to read. But I think he

869
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: really liked what he had in Tannehill when he was healthy,

870
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: and I think Gays, I don't know what it means

871
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: for like future or is he the long term answer?

872
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: But I don't think Gays is gonna bail on Tannehill

873
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: in two thousand eighteen, even if there's somebody in the

874
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: draft that they like. I think they have so many

875
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: needs on both sides of the ball that they keep

876
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: rolling with Tannehill. So I am uh buying buying your narrative.

877
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: Well before this became a full fledged narrative, and it

878
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: was only a report payback win the good old days, yeah,

879
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of months ago. Yeah, that's perception

880
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: was that one of those guys Baker mayfielder Josh Allen

881
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: would be available for the Dolphins and it was easier

882
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 1: to buy then. I think the quarterback market has moved

883
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: on the Dolphins, and for better or worse, they're stuck

884
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: with Tannah West. Strange things are did you west Patrick?

885
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 1: Did you offer your by hold seal? Oh, I'm I'm

886
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: buying it. You're buying Okay. Strange things are afoot in Foxboro,

887
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: meaning that that's starting with the sec with Seth Wickersham,

888
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: long form on Belichick and the problems with him and

889
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: Brady and Craft. I don't think that's been ironed out.

890
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: And Dan, I'm going on record the dynasty is over.

891
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: I've never said this, but I I think there there

892
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: is something really there. There are problems with with Brady,

893
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 1: Gronk and Belichick. And Brady and Gronk are the best

894
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: in the NFL at what they do. Now, all that

895
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: can be ironed out, but it seems to me that

896
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: there are real problems. Those are the three most important

897
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: figures in the whole organization. Gronks not one of the

898
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: three most important things. I mean, Robert Kraft is, but

899
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: that's that's a small Okay, Look alright, three of the

900
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: top four most important figures you okay, Now, yeah, they

901
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: they're the two players are crossed with the coach and

902
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: the coach. I don't think the coach is going anywhere. Oh,

903
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm buying in and you know i'd

904
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: buy anyway. But I actually believe it, and as as

905
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: much as I enjoy it, I'm actually gonna hold uh

906
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: this conversation in this narrative because I think what we've

907
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: seen starting with the Wickersham article, it's like a narrative

908
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: regression to the mean with regards to the Patriots, like

909
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: everything has been so glowing. You know, these guys were

910
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: doing their job. They're the best franchise ever they do

911
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: with the Patriot way. And that was last off season

912
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: when they were gonna go nineteen and now. But but now,

913
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: like there's just casual stories like we don't even know

914
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: what Belichick said to Gronk. He could have said, hey,

915
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: I hope those avocado shakes are good, and then everybody

916
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: had a good laugh. Doesn't sound like it though, but

917
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: just sound like it that basically, Gronk had a really

918
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: poor started training camp. He knew it, and in Belichick,

919
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: which you can really easily imagine, made some sarcastic comment about,

920
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: you know, looks like you're the new training regime and

921
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, not working out too great Gronk, and you know, yeah,

922
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: actually a jerk about it. But I'm a full fledged

923
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: cell on this. The Patriots have been They are a

924
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: team that's been coached well and they had good players

925
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: and I don't think that's changed. Um, so yeah, I'm

926
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: setting you getting off the hold. I'm gonna sell and

927
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: just remind something of West Set at the beginning of

928
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, this is the time of year when

929
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: you wonder if any of these stories this really matter

930
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: at all. It goes back, though, to a time when

931
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: football was being played. It goes back to the coach

932
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: screwing screw in the organization for a Super Bowl strategy.

933
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: But I guess I would say since all those stories

934
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: came up, they had one of the great comebacks against

935
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: one of the great defenses in NFL history. They were

936
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: tied in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl. And

937
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 1: that's why I'm selling just that. I think the dynasty

938
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: might be over in the sense that they're un likely

939
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: to win another title just because the odds are against them.

940
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: But I think they can be a good football team,

941
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: just like they were after the whole Brady thing. You

942
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: neglected to mention that the coach cost them a Super

943
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: Bowl with a ridiculous decision to bench Malcolm Butler. I

944
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that that necessarily cost him. So what does

945
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: that have to do with anything That has nothing to

946
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: do with that has nothing to do with Tom Brady

947
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: being unhappy. Do you feel the game would have played

948
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: out differently? If, of course, of course it would. I'm

949
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: just saying that. Then a million different things are. How

950
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: do we know that Tom Brady wasn't unhappy with Belichick

951
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 1: about the but but did I don't think that affected

952
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: his play during one of the great performances in NFL history.

953
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: It didn't, But it could affect how many years he

954
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: wants to play considering this team and the ownership and

955
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: the coaching staff and all of the personalities. It was

956
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: never a person personality problem for the Patriots before. But

957
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: now we see these guys clashing. I don't think it

958
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: ultimately really matters any personality clash, Like can you execute

959
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: well on the field. They've done it well, so they

960
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: like Brady and Belichick might not really like each other

961
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: that much, and that's okay. It'd be almost weird if

962
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: they did by this point after through all this. Greg,

963
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: how about that the Broncos will not take a quarterback

964
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: with their selection. They've spent so much guaranteed money on

965
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: case Keenum and John Elway would not want to put

966
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: himself in the position of having taken two first round

967
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: picks in three years, because if you were wrong a

968
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 1: second time, then you've got real problems. And I'm selling

969
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: on that that they I'm I'm I think they have

970
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: I think they are in the market for a quarterback. Well,

971
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll take it or not, because

972
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: it has to depend on who's available and certain things.

973
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think they're trading up. But I think

974
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: they have to be in the market for a quarterback.

975
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: And I don't think John Elway would be afraid if

976
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 1: the right if if he's into one of these players

977
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: and it gets to him that, don't think he'd be

978
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: afraid to take one. Why because of Case Keenum. I

979
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 1: agree with you that I don't think l A would

980
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: rule out a quarterback. Maybe he loves somebody, but I did.

981
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 1: I'm a little surprised just seeing this now that Keenum

982
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: Case Keenum just turned thirty. Um. And when I bring

983
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: it up, it's because if he really, if Elway really

984
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: does like Keenum a lot, he might see him as

985
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: the long term answer and he's not a two year

986
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: band aid. But at the same time, do I necessarily

987
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: believe that. Probably not, because Keenum had one real good

988
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: year in his whole career. Uh, I'm gonna hold on

989
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: this one. I think this one, Yeah, this one's a

990
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: little I'm vexed by this one because I think if

991
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: Keenam was thirty six or thirty five, I'd be like, oh, well,

992
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, he's definitely gotta Even if he didn't, even

993
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 1: if he loved Keenam, you'd have to look down the road.

994
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: I think Keenum is young enough where he if he

995
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: likes Keenam, he could say, I'm gonna build around this guy.

996
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: I've lost all confidence in John Elway's to manage his quarterbacks.

997
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: Look at their decisions of the last couple of years. Say,

998
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: draft Paxton Lynch in the first round. He's been an

999
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 1: un unqualified bust case Keenum. They've got a guy in

1000
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: the building who's been every bit as good as him,

1001
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: well up until last year. Trevor simeons they could have

1002
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: had Keenum for a lot cheaper the year before, they

1003
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: didn't want him. Now they want him for forty million

1004
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: more than they were all willing to get him for

1005
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: the year before. And they brought brock Oswaller back last year.

1006
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: What what is going on with John Elway and I

1007
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: I just can't I can't trust his ability to read

1008
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 1: quarterbacks anymore. This after almost giving brock Ostwaller the money

1009
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: before he got money from Houston in the first place. Well,

1010
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: The crazy thing too, is like, uh, Elway was, you know,

1011
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: praised relentlessly until the last eighteen months or so. The

1012
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: one thing you wouldn't think he would actually struggle with

1013
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: it was a quarterback and knowing the right guy to pick.

1014
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: But that's where we are now, where there's doubt whether

1015
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: Elway knows how to pick the position he feels. He

1016
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: feels desperate, and now he's instead of getting out in

1017
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: front of things, he's reacting to things, and that's where

1018
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: that's what's driving his decisions. Are you buying or selling

1019
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: or Hold got a lot of pop on this show.

1020
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: Hold got more pop more than we talked. Yeah. I

1021
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: continue to voice the opinion that if you are going

1022
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: to Hold on a podcast, she should probably get into

1023
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: a different line of work. Like like you're on it's

1024
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: a vocal media. You have your opinion. I think Claiban,

1025
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: Dan and myself, I'll have one hole the e got

1026
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: off this whole You're hosting the show, just the solo show, Mike,

1027
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'll buy buys respect me. Um. Yeah, I think

1028
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: it's I think it's pick depended again. I think it

1029
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: depends on who gets there. Um, if he's not in

1030
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: love with Josh Allen and Josh Allen is there. I

1031
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: think Baker would be the pick um. But again it

1032
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: also depends on what Buffalo is willing to do. Are

1033
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: they willing to throw in the first next year? Um,

1034
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: something more from this draft, including the two first they

1035
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: have to move up. But I'm also selling is as

1036
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: Greg said on Up to the Minute the other day

1037
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 1: about Paxton Lynch in the future, they don't wish ill

1038
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: on Paxton Lynch. But but to be honest, well they yeah,

1039
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: they said, they said, we have you know, we we

1040
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: still believe in him, and I was, yeah, that was

1041
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: it was a smoke screen singer. I was like, well,

1042
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: I don't think they wish ill on him, but I'm

1043
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: taking position here that the guiding principal is John Elway's

1044
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: delusion that he has a championship caliber ball club and

1045
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: he can probably go to another position because Keenam can

1046
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: win him a championship. All right, there you go, good

1047
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: talk Irie, good uh by cell hold it's fun. Yeah,

1048
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: all right, Patrick, I got to look into another career,

1049
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: as do you guys. It's up. You got off your hold, Um, Patrick,

1050
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: you are the man on Up to the Minute Live

1051
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: on NFL Network UM which airs I believe at two

1052
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: pm Pacific time, which is five pm Eastern. Yeah, nailed it,

1053
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 1: uh And he gives you all that up to date

1054
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: information from the newsroom. So if you want to be

1055
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 1: in the no during narrative season and more importantly draft season,

1056
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: check out Patrick. And also if you want those hot takes,

1057
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: we want to do some hot takes. We don't want

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Speaker 1: to force it though, but just know that the hot

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Speaker 1: take on Budsman always is on the lookout, So follow

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Speaker 1: Patrick at Patrick claibn for fiery takedowns of bad tweets.

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Speaker 1: Love it all right, We'll be back on Wednesday. I

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Speaker 1: think we might go five across with Mark Back and

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Speaker 1: Connie Fox. So a lot of catching up to do,

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Speaker 1: uh So looking forward to that. Until then, stand had

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Speaker 1: the signing off for Graysville's finest The mail Man, the

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