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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three

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Speaker 1: and today the show, I'm joined by Tony Peterson to

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Speaker 1: answer listener questions on topics ranging from killing those to

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Speaker 1: finding late season bucks in warm weather, to whether or

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Speaker 1: not helium balloons can lead you to big bucks. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Onyx. Today we're doing some much needed listener Q

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Speaker 1: and A. I get tons of emails and Facebook and

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Speaker 1: Instagram messages UM from from you guys, which I love

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Speaker 1: getting with specific hunting related questions, and I hate myself

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Speaker 1: for this fact, but I'm not able to respond to

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Speaker 1: all of them. And I'm sorry that I can't do that, um.

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Speaker 1: But that's why I try to make sure we get

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Speaker 1: some of these episodes in, because I want to answer

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Speaker 1: as many of those as we possibly can and help

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Speaker 1: you folks out. And to do that, I've got my

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Speaker 1: buddy and a leading meat either contributor and one of

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Speaker 1: the very best deer hunters I know, and that person

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Speaker 1: is Tony Peterson. So, Tony, thanks for being on here

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Speaker 1: to help me answer some questions. Well, thanks for having

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Speaker 1: me buddy. You uh, you said that we were talking

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Speaker 1: a little earlier day and you said that your experience

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Speaker 1: on the back forty forced you to take a full

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Speaker 1: month off of hunting. Is that true? Have you? Have

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Speaker 1: you been doing any white tail hunting since we talked

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Speaker 1: last time in early November? That that was partially a

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Speaker 1: joke about Michigan hunting and partially more of my response

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Speaker 1: from getting after it for a couple of months in

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Speaker 1: a row and just coming home after that drive and going,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to see the

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Speaker 1: view from a tree stand for a while. So I did.

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Speaker 1: I took some time off and hunted some peasants and

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Speaker 1: hung out with my little girls, and lately I got

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Speaker 1: the itch bad. You know how it is when the

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Speaker 1: when the season is about to end, and you start going, man,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be nine months before I can do this again.

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Speaker 1: So I've actually been hunting really hard lately, just to

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Speaker 1: try to kill an antler list deer here close to

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Speaker 1: my house. And it's it's been a lot of fun

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Speaker 1: and very humbling yeah, I hear you're there. That's that's

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Speaker 1: exactly how I felt. After after all that back forty

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Speaker 1: stuff finished up, I went and I did, as you know,

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Speaker 1: I killed the buck I was after on my other

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Speaker 1: Michigan spots, and then after that I took my big breaks.

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Speaker 1: I think I took two weeks off. But now I'm

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Speaker 1: right back in the same boat as you, trying to

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Speaker 1: kill trying to kill some does. And that's that's It's

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I love this part of the

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Speaker 1: season when I'm not worried about filling a buck tag

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Speaker 1: and instead I can just get out there and hunt

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Speaker 1: for analyst deer and and like you said, that can

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Speaker 1: be a challenge sometimes, but it's also slightly less stressful

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Speaker 1: or something something about it is just a little bit

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Speaker 1: more um. It feels like I'm just going out there

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Speaker 1: to have a good time hunting, and not as much

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Speaker 1: as Okay, I gotta do this, I gotta do this.

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Speaker 1: This has got to go right, and I can't. I

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Speaker 1: can't make this mistake. And if it goes all just

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Speaker 1: right and then it's then it'll go the way I want.

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Speaker 1: So maybe that's just because of my manic personality, but

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Speaker 1: something about this is nice, That's what I'm trying to say.

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Speaker 1: Oh it is man. You take away that pressure of

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Speaker 1: the of the buck tag situation, and you you find

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Speaker 1: yourself just hunting to hunt, and it's just a different

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Speaker 1: experience out there, and they're they're both fun. But this

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Speaker 1: and if if you get a good shot, try to

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Speaker 1: take it. And if not, who cares? Yeah? Exactly, exactly, Um.

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Speaker 1: And you know this is this perfectly segues into a

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Speaker 1: bunch of questions that I got. Um. I got a

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Speaker 1: And so a morning hunt might be a better deal

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Speaker 1: takes me to walk in there. And it's sort of

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Speaker 1: but simply having more targets to work with when you're

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00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,119
Speaker 1: dough hunting gives you that opportunity to push through it.

431
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:38,679
Speaker 1: At least that's what I phone. I totally agree. I

432
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 1: think I think it's a it's just an awesome way

433
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 1: to get better and and and learn from the things

434
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 1: that you shouldn't do or you know, maybe get some

435
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 1: positive reinforcement if you get it right. And it's just

436
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 1: there's a lot to it. It's it's a lot of fun,

437
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 1: and it's it's worth the effort. Yeah, it is a

438
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,120
Speaker 1: lot of fun. That's the other thing is it's just

439
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 1: it's just fun. It's just fun and you fill the

440
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 1: freezer and you get great food, and it's it's great practice.

441
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 1: I love my late season dough hunts and you've got

442
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of deer to butcher and you get to

443
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 1: do it and it's kind of like a fun thing

444
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 1: with a family. For for me at least I get

445
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 1: my wife involved and now my boys, and uh, it's

446
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 1: just a good way to wrap up the season. If

447
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,439
Speaker 1: it's ties a really nice boat, you top off the

448
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 1: freezer to the max wherever you need it. Maybe you

449
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 1: share a deer with a family member or something. Um,

450
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 1: and I just love that is the way to end

451
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 1: my season. It just it leaves me with a good

452
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 1: taste in my mouth, both um figuratively and literally, I guess.

453
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 1: And then sets you up well for the new year.

454
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 1: So your wife will actually help you butcher and process

455
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 1: of deer. Yeah, yeah, that's that's awesome. I love it.

456
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 1: But she she she participates, and you're just happy that

457
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 1: she did it. Yeah, well, that's that's better than what

458
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 1: I have going on. My wife has offered a few

459
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 1: times and I had her just be kind of the

460
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: rapper and the you know, the label writer, right like, okay,

461
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 1: this one's backstraps from this date and this deer, and

462
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what she was doing. My my wife's

463
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 1: a smart lady. She has a doctorate, like she's she's

464
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 1: no dummy. But when we started opening up those packages

465
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: throughout the year, when we would eat him, it was

466
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: like mystery meat. It was like she had no connection

467
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: between what she wrote and what was actually in the package.

468
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:28,919
Speaker 1: I was like, what do you what are you doing? Like?

469
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: How distracted were you? And so she's she's she's not much.

470
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 1: She doesn't help very much of that process that mostly

471
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 1: falls on me these days. Yeah, that's uh, that's important.

472
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 1: You don't want to be surprised when you open up

473
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 1: the package and you're thinking you're cooking up backstrap for

474
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: the family. Instead you got a pound of burger. Y Ah. Yeah,

475
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: that's uh. That's my next ten to twelve days, I

476
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: think is hopefully doing a bunch of that. So, um,

477
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: let's let's keep rolling through some of these. Um here's

478
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: an interesting one. And I've read a few people like

479
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: post theories about this. I've never given it much thought,

480
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 1: but Jonathan asks do helium balloons have any connection to

481
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: buck betting? He'll continue, I'll read the rest of you

482
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 1: kind of a long thing here, but he says, do

483
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 1: helium balloons play any have any connection to buck betting?

484
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: This has been posted more and more on social media

485
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: about thermal's bringing balloons down and where those balloons land

486
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 1: are an indication of good buck betting areas. People have

487
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: both laughed at this theory, but others have picture posted

488
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: pictures of buck shot in these areas too. I was

489
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: a skeptic about it until my son and I were

490
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 1: out on the last day gun season in Wisconsin. We

491
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 1: set up on the ground between some dead falls, and

492
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: it wasn't until we got set up that we saw

493
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: a helium balloon laying on the forest floor. I didn't

494
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: pay much attention to it, but other than we're found landed,

495
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 1: but I was just sitting there. Then I started seeing

496
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: all these fresh rubs and sign and we sat for

497
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: a couple more hours and this I had to pack

498
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 1: it out. But as we were walking out, we jumped

499
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,479
Speaker 1: a buck about seventy yards away from this location, bedded

500
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: right in that area. I'm still skeptic, but I'm curious

501
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,239
Speaker 1: if this is coincidence or if there's something to the

502
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: balloon and thermal buck betting theory. Um. So, I've read

503
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: in some other places on forums and stuff about the

504
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: same thing, so I'll kind of generalize it a little more.

505
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: The basic theory here is that there are certain like

506
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: there's balloons all over the place. People put these balloons

507
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 1: up in the air for birthday parts or whatever, and

508
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: unfortunately end up as litter spread across the woods. I'm

509
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: sure people have seen that out there. And where are

510
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: these balloons get taken to though? Is supposedly, you know,

511
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: an indication of where the natural wind and thermals and

512
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: wind tunnels and stuff eventually direct anything that might be

513
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: floating in the air. And so some people have said, Man,

514
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: if you see a balloon land somewhere, it is you know,

515
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: or or a number of balloons laying so where it

516
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: might be indicative of one of these kind of spots

517
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: like a bathtub where a lot of air currents kind

518
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: of funneled down into and dear light to keen on

519
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Have you ever heard of that?

520
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: Do you think there's any possibility of truth to it

521
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: or do you think it's someone online trying to sound

522
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: smarter than they really are. Well, I think that that's what.

523
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: I love that he asked that question, and that he's

524
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: entertaining that, Um I had never heard that theory. I have,

525
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: I actually remember but wait, wait, wait wa Way back

526
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: when I was an associate editor at Peterson's Bow Hunting,

527
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: somebody wrote an article and referenced, you know, seeing uh

528
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: helium balloon waving around in the woods, and I remember

529
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 1: the other editors like bringing that up, like, have you

530
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: ever seen this? And I've actually seen that a few

531
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: times out there, where they come down and they get caught.

532
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: I've never in my life connected those random balloon encounters

533
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: to any kind of deer hunting strategy. I think that

534
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: that's a I think that's maybe really grasping a straws there.

535
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: I think if you found, if you really paid attention

536
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: to the location of every balloon you found in your

537
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: life in the woods, you know, any kind of remains

538
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: of a balloon, you would find maybe a little more

539
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: randomness to it than them getting sucked down into places

540
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: where the thermals are awesome and they provide a good

541
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: betting advantage for deer. But I could be wrong on there.

542
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 1: I've never I've never entertained the balloon pattern as a

543
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,239
Speaker 1: possibility for finding deer. Yeah, I'm right there with you.

544
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: I've I've never paid enough attention to it to lend

545
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: any kind of true anecdotal observation at least to it.

546
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: But my gut tells me that while maybe this does

547
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: pan out that way, there's gotta be a whole lot

548
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: of other random circumstances where they end up elsewhere. And

549
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: it's just too too, too small a sample size of

550
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: draw any kind of strong conclusions from. There's enough other

551
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: things you can ken on to try to figure out

552
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: where box bed or we're dear bed that are much

553
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: more surefire. So let's start there. I like that. Yeah, um,

554
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: but fun to think about. And I'll tell you what.

555
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: Next time I see one of those balloons out there,

556
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit and think, well, here, here's what scares me.

557
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: We have to be we have an environmental responsibility with

558
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: the answer to this question, because I don't want people

559
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 1: going out there letting balloons go. That's a strategy to scout.

560
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: Please don't do that. Do not do that. And if

561
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: you see these balloons, pick him up, put him in

562
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: your backpack and put him, you know, bring him back home,

563
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: take him out of the woods. Uh. If for no

564
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: other reason, then then so that some other hunter doesn't

565
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: come along and think that's a good betting here, Well, yeah,

566
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: here's another strategy. Now there's gonna be somebody out in

567
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: public land time balloons to random places that he doesn't want.

568
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: He like that. He wants the concentration of pressure to

569
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: go to so you can hide the hide the better

570
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: spots for himself. Oh gosh, that's some funny stuff right there.

571
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: I've got a friend who does something similar the oposite

572
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: a way where he'll I'm not condoning this, I'm not

573
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: saying you should do this, um, but he will set

574
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: up dummy tree stands in places where he, you know,

575
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: if he's trying to if he's got a little secret

576
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: spot that he doesn't want people to start hunting, he'll

577
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: put like three tree stands in a half circle around

578
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: it between the access point and where he wants to

579
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: go hunt, just to make other hunters that are passing

580
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: through like, oh gosh, this one is getting hit super hard,

581
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: and then they go somewhere else. Uh So people are

582
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: getting people are getting very creative with their public land hunting. Tony.

583
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: I I do not condone or endorse that. I simply

584
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: state it as a as something you got to contend with. Yeah,

585
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: that's uh, I don't I don't want people doing that either.

586
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: So so here's a different ethical question if we're examining

587
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: the ethics of of something like that. Josh asks I

588
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: have permission to hunt a three acre property, but he

589
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: knows that one of the neighbors is an anti hunter

590
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: and would not let him recover a deer if it

591
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: expired on their land. Is it ethical to hunt this

592
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: three acres knowing that there's a neighbor that would not

593
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: let him recover it or cross if that deer ran

594
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: that direction after shooting it? Man, I I personally wouldn't

595
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: hunt it because of that. That's just bad juju. But

596
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: I suppose it could probably be set up in a

597
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: way where you were as far away from that property

598
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: as possible, and if you were really really careful about

599
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: the shot selection, you could probably be okay. But that's

600
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,719
Speaker 1: a that's a rough one. I think. I think at

601
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: the very least I'd be looking for a plan B there. Yeah,

602
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: that's a doozy. I think it would depend, like you said,

603
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: on some of the specifics, like if it's a long,

604
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: narrow property and the neighboring property only borders on one

605
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: side of the narrow part of the rectangle that kind

606
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: of thing, and you're hunting of the direction with good

607
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: spots all around you, than maybe. But if it's just

608
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: a tiny little three acre quarter and you can't get

609
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: away from that neighbor, I just there's nothing worse than

610
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: having that situation where you shoot a deer that you

611
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: know it's gonna die, and then you have a go

612
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: or there and you can't do anything about it. I

613
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: I've always been terrified of that. I've never had to happen,

614
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: but I've always, you know, worried what if I shoot

615
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: one and it goes to a neighbor and they don't

616
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: give me that permission. Um. So I've always tried to

617
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: avoid any kind of uncertainty like that by either talking

618
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: to the neighbors ahead of time if you can, or

619
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: just steering clear of edges, you know, to avoid that

620
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: possibility as much as possible. Um, this is one I would,

621
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: like you said, I would, I would much rather pursue

622
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: a plan B if you can then be in a

623
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: tough situation. But I know people do it, especial people hunt,

624
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: like in urban areas. Um, That's that's the reality of

625
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: some situations. Yeah, I mean you'd really you know, it's

626
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: so situational, like you at how far away can you get?

627
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: And I mean that would be that would be the

628
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: kind of situation where I'd be looking for like a

629
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: perfect fifteen yard broadside where I thought I wasn't going

630
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: to hit the off side shoulder or anything like that

631
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: and get to get the best, least panicky reaction out

632
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: of the deer as possible, you know, I mean you

633
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: just you see little differences if you slip it right

634
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: through the ribs on both sides and they don't really

635
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: know what's going on, a lot of times they don't,

636
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: they don't go very far. But if you catch that

637
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: off side shoulder and they panic, I mean, it's it's

638
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: really granular stuff there, but there's there's a lot of

639
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: responsibility with a setup like that. It's just it's that's

640
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,479
Speaker 1: a tough one. Yeah, yeah, it is. I just go

641
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: back to I think if I were I would waffle

642
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: on this myself and I'd be like wow this or

643
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: well that maybe maybe, But I think the thing that

644
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: would tip me over the edge would be examine the

645
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: best case scenario and examine the worst case scenario. And

646
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: so the best case scenario is a kill a deer

647
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: and I bringing home and I've got a great meal. Um.

648
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: But I could also maybe get that same best case

649
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: scenario one and hunted a piece of public land or whatever.

650
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: But the worst case scenario is so worst case is

651
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: so horrible in my in my view, I just I don't.

652
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: I couldn't stomach that, um, so I would probably probably

653
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: avoid it. Yeah, that would be I think it would

654
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: be a very hard situation to enjoy to hunt that. Yeah,

655
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: all right, Moving on, Brian asks, how do you plan

656
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: for wind when a stand is in an area where

657
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: deer can come from any direction? Just play the odds, buddy,

658
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a what he's talking about. There is

659
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: so common in in so many different situations that you

660
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: just have to go where where are they most likely

661
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: to come from? And how does that work for me?

662
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: And it's this is the kind of thing I learned.

663
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: You know, I grew up hunting the bluffs in southeastern Minnesota,

664
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: where you a lot of ridges, and you know, you

665
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: could play the wind pretty well. And when I relocated

666
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: to where I live now, it was a lot flatter

667
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,959
Speaker 1: and there was just that situation where the travel wasn't

668
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: really dictated by terrain as much, and I just learned

669
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: to live with it and go, Okay, well, they don't

670
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: seem to come from this direction as much, so when

671
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: the wind's going that way, that's my best option. But

672
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: it's just, uh, it's it's tough because you will probably

673
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: screw up I mean, you're gonna you're gonna blow some

674
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: deer out, But what are you gonna do? I mean,

675
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: at the same time, you're really lucky to be in

676
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: a place where the deer can come from any direction

677
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: and you've got a chance to hunt. You know, yeah, yeah,

678
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: you always have to give something up. Every time I

679
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: go said, I always know that you've got to give something.

680
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: There's always, no matter what, you're always going to be

681
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: giving something. So you need to make that judgment call.

682
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: And you know, look at the probabilities of each and

683
00:33:54,800 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: and something that can sometimes be helpful, um is rather

684
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: than just saying, well, I think it's most likely they'll

685
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: come from this direction, and at least likely they're But

686
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: then you're sitting there thinking and spit balling, like where

687
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: is the safe spout, where's a danger spot? If you

688
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: were to look at the if you were to stand

689
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: in a tree and then look at the compass directions

690
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: north southeast west, and if you're sitting there trying to

691
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: think this all through, assigned an actual probability like a

692
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: number to each side to just kind of help you

693
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: think stuff through. And and and this is just like

694
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: some little trick I've read about that helps people with

695
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: some decision making, not not not hunting, but can be

696
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: applied to hunting. Is when you apply a number to

697
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: your different options, it just makes it easier for you

698
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: to make decisions. So if you say, okay, well, I

699
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: think that there's a fifty percent chance that that's the

700
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: spot of buck could come from. I think that this

701
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: direction it's it's like a ten percent place, and this

702
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: one over here is probably more like than you gotta

703
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: think about for a second about this and think about this, well,

704
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: given I know that, and that's maybe like a it's there,

705
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: and then this is it's about I know there's gonna

706
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: be there's always there to come from that way. And

707
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: just forcing yourself to think through each direction and give

708
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: it a number, that little exercise can help. So that's

709
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: something to think about as you're trying to make decisions

710
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: around your trees. UM, just a little mind exercise with that. UM.

711
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: I will say one other thing, which is that sometimes

712
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: that's just a spot you can't hunt sometimes or sometimes

713
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: or some parts of the year. UM, you just might

714
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: need to say, okay, you know what if there's a

715
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: tree like that, even if it seems to be in

716
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: an awesome place. If I know I'm gonna get winded

717
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be a dobe blowing here, that's going

718
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: to ruin the whole hunt. Um you know, let's say

719
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: it's like October or something like that, October one, and

720
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: you know that you're basing the whole success of your

721
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: hunt is going to be based on whether or not

722
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 1: that buck will get up and walk past you heading

723
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: to the food source. But if there's so many does

724
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: in the area, and if you know that there's no

725
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: way to get away with out a dobe blowing, and

726
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: you also know that if a dobe blows, that big

727
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: buck just is not going to come through in daylight

728
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: because he's two d yards away and he's if he

729
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: hears a doe blow and he's just not going to

730
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: come through, Well, then that's just not the spot to

731
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: get it done. And you either need to find some

732
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: other spot where you can have a little more more

733
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 1: in your favor, or maybe you just have to wait

734
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: and wait till it's it's a different type of behavior

735
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: that you're operating on. Um. So, so sometimes there's a

736
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: tough decisions you gotta make. Like there's some spots that

737
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: I hunt where I would love to get in and

738
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: hunt a tree. Like there's a tree I know that

739
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: that if there's a good buck in this general area,

740
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna pass by that tree more than almost any

741
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: other tree I can think of, Like I've just seen,

742
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: if there's a big buck in here, they always come

743
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: through this little area. But it's right in the middle

744
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: of everything. And if you were to go in there,

745
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: there's gonna be deer winning you all the time. And

746
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: so I've I like this year, I had one opportunity.

747
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: I decided that one day I was going to try

748
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: to hunt that spot, and I wait until all the

749
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: conditions would be as best as I thought they could

750
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: possibly be, and I thought it was worth it, like

751
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: swinging for the fences that one time. And I did it,

752
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: and and that buck did come through, but before stooding light. Um.

753
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: If I were to go in there and hunt that

754
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: tree over and over again, um, because it's the best tree,

755
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: it would not be the best tree for long. So

756
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: you gotta know when to when to go for it.

757
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: And you've got to know when it's it's not worth

758
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: the risk. Even though it might be a dynamite spot,

759
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: it's only a dynamite spot with you can get away

760
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah. Well, and I would add to that too,

761
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: is you know if you if you go in and

762
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: you know you're giving up something like you said, pay

763
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: attention to what happens and and how could you tweak

764
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: it a little bit? Like I I had an experienced

765
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: earlier this year in Minnesota where I had I had

766
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: hung a stand over this pond and it was pretty good,

767
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: but there were a lot of winds I couldn't I

768
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: couldn't hunt it on and I ended up building a

769
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: little natural ground blind probably about fifty yards away. That

770
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: opened up everything for me. And it wasn't nearly as

771
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't see hardly anything. It wasn't nearly as comfortable,

772
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: but that spot became so much more hontable by me

773
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: just going, well, I can't hunt it the way I

774
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: really want to, Like I wanted to sit there in

775
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: that tree and see them coming and have that nice

776
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 1: shot angle and everything. But it was just a matter

777
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: of a little tweak and kind of going Okay, well,

778
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: I gotta take a step back and figure out if

779
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: I can make this work another way. And it worked

780
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: really well. And so sometimes you have that option to

781
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: where you want to force something because it's how you

782
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: want to hunt or where you want to hunt. But

783
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: there might be a little tweak somewhere, some little concession

784
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: you can make that opens up more possibilities. It's a

785
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: very good point. Hard to do, hard to sometimes avoid

786
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: the temptation. I certainly found myself there big time, all right.

787
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: T J says, uh quote, you often give hypothetical scenarios

788
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: in your podcast to the people you interview. So here's

789
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: one for you. I'm going to be employed for the

790
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: entirety of deer season next year. So if you couldn't

791
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: hunt next deer season and you didn't have access to

792
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: a bow of practice, what would you do during that

793
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: time period to still make yourself a better hunter for

794
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: the season after Who Yeah, that's a good one, you know.

795
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: I would say consuming content is the obvious one. You know,

796
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: there's still there's still ways to learn vicariously through other people.

797
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: But I think I think this is and I don't

798
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: know what what this guy has access to as far

799
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: as uh, just daily life routine type of stuff, but

800
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: I think that I think that becoming a better white

801
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 1: tail hunter is just about embracing the challenge, and that's

802
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: just all of life, right, like learning how to play

803
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: guitar has nothing to do with learning how to kill

804
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: six and a half year old bucks. But at the

805
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: same time, giving yourself that motivation and going Okay, I'm

806
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna tackle this challenge because I can't do

807
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: this other challenge. I think that lifts you up. And

808
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: so it's it's maybe like a weird woo woo answer

809
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: to this, but anything you can do that just keeps

810
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: challenging yourself and giving you these little winds through through

811
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: the struggle is huge. And that's just so so inherent

812
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: to white tail hunting. I think, yeah, yeah, So what

813
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: are you suggesting though, Are you suggesting finding some other

814
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: way he can push himself while he's out there, or

815
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: that inherently what he's doing is going to be something

816
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: he's going to grow as a person, which will then

817
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: lead to better deer hunting. All of the above. I mean,

818
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if the dude can bring

819
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: a guitar over there and keep him in the keep

820
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: it in the barracks, or if it's just a matter

821
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: of just reading as much as possible, or you know,

822
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: stand super physically fit. You know, I don't know, there's

823
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: not enough details there. It's uh, you know, it's it's

824
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: kind of all up to his situation, what he's what

825
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: he's going to have available to him. But anything like

826
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: that that you can do to just keep the mind

827
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: going beyond the day lead job. But what he's gonna do,

828
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: which is super important, is just just to keep it

829
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: going in the right direction and keep keep the mindset

830
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: up of learning and challenges and and moving towards you know,

831
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: new accomplishments. Yeah, yeah, and I like that. I think

832
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: that's great idea. I would my other two ideas would

833
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: be what you first mentioned, which is can learn as

834
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: much as you possibly can. You know, I had a

835
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: situation like this about a little over a decade ago

836
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: when I took a new job where I had to

837
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: live in California during hunting season, so I couldn't hunt,

838
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: and I was just like working all day on the

839
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: regular day job. And then I came home and I

840
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: didn't socialize. I didn't go out and do stuff with people.

841
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: I didn't do anything except for work on wired hunt

842
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: and like study every single piece of white tail hunting

843
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: content I could in the world. I mean, I read

844
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: and watched and just like went in crazy over drive

845
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: learning mode um and and I do think it helped

846
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: me a lot. UM. I would say the thing that

847
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: I wish I would have done then, and what I

848
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: would suggest to t J is take your scouting to

849
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: like level two thousand UM. So that's one thing that

850
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: you can very tangibly set yourself up for the next

851
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: year season by you know, either studying the property that

852
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: you have permission on or find find fifty dynamite public

853
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: land hunting spots. If you've got time to do it.

854
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: Go and look at every dream state you ever consider hunting,

855
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: or whatever the state is that you live in, and

856
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: find every little nook and cranny it looks like there

857
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: might be some potential and then zero in on not

858
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, this looks a good parcel. This is

859
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: a good parcel, but go and hand pick like six

860
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: spots that look really good on the map for you

861
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: to go scout when you get back home and find

862
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: another piece of property and pick the best six spots

863
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: there or whatever, and you can muster up as far

864
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: as time. I mean, if you can't be in the tree,

865
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: you might as well be picking trees to hunt next

866
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: year and picking spots just to scout next year and

867
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: and no them like the back of your hand. So

868
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: when you get out there, you know, Okay, this is

869
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: where that saddle is gonna be. I really want to

870
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: check that out. Here's where that creek crossing is, or

871
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: at least what I think the creek crossing. Let's go

872
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: and double check it. Let's see if there's big tracks,

873
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 1: Let's see if there's rubs down here in this bottom,

874
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: and and have that stuff lined up so when you

875
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: get back home you can you've got a list of

876
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: all the places you want to check out. And you're

877
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: not wasting time on just randomly exploring things. You're scouting

878
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: with a purpose, or if you're arriving to hunt, you're

879
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: starting that hunt with a really really solid game plan. Um.

880
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: I think that's one super tangible thing that could help anyone.

881
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: Oh man, I agree. I think that's a great point.

882
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: Is and and it's fun. I mean, you learned what

883
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: the you know, the most successful deer hunters out there

884
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: learned to love East scouting. And yeah, it's not it's

885
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: not a total replacement for the real thing, you know.

886
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna be missing out on some stuff,

887
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: but it's a it's at least in the neighborhood, and

888
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's fun to plan hunts. It's fun

889
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: to find those spots and and and put in the

890
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: work when you can't be out there, So that that's

891
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 1: a great point. Yeah. Um, here's a couple of quick

892
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: just equipment questions that we can knock out real fast.

893
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: Someone asked about phone adapters for spotting scopes. Um, Tony,

894
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: do you use anything like that. I use the phone

895
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: scope Lollipop adapter, which is a universal adapter, so you

896
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: can fit it to any size phone and put that

897
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 1: against your spotting scope and then uh, you know, film

898
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: through it or view through it. And for like long

899
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: distance scouting with a scope, you know, whether that be

900
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: early season from a bluff, you know, like we do

901
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: sometimes on September hunts, or even in the Midwest. I've

902
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 1: got some hilltops that can sit on and see down

903
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: into fields and that helped me scout a lot. Um.

904
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: It's so much easier and more comfortable to view through

905
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: a phone than with your face right up to the

906
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: little spotting scope eyepiece. Um. So I highly recommend it

907
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: for anyone who does that kind of thing. So I

908
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 1: use the phone scope lollipop. What about you, Tony? I

909
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: I second that as well, and it you know, one

910
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: one super good benefit of that too is if you

911
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: take little kids out scouting, it's so much easier for them,

912
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: you know, you you can make it so much more

913
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: fun and it's so much simpler to get them to

914
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 1: see what you're looking at and you're you're dialed into

915
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: it's and yeah, it's just it makes the whole experience better. Sure,

916
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: highly recommended, definitely. All right, Lane asks about a place

917
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: that you and I got to know well, Tony, question

918
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: about the wall tent we're using on the back forty? Um,

919
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: So there are a lot of questions about what that

920
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: tent was. So it's a tent from a company called

921
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: Montana Canvas and the model was the spike tent was

922
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 1: what that was? Um? Any thoughts on the tent, Tony?

923
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: Any review? Um? After we after we got out of

924
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: our own way and actually figured out how to put

925
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: it up, it was pretty sweet. When we when we

926
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: were first looking at the pile of poles and canvas,

927
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: we were like, Uh, this thing sucks. And then we

928
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: figured it out and we realized the problem was our

929
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: on our end, and it was. It was a pretty

930
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: solid tent man. Yeah, it did pretty darn well. And

931
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: after you left, we had a mega storm come through

932
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: with forty five to sixty five mile in our winds,

933
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: and after were leading up to that, we tightened everything down,

934
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: we added the rain fly, and after those updates it

935
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: it handle everything Mother nature through Atta. So it did

936
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: darn well. Yeah, that's that's a really understated important thing

937
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: about tent camping. But you know, for anything, but if

938
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: you if you head on a white tail trip, a

939
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: good tent, a really good tent is such an asset

940
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: and it's often overlooked by people who, you know, don't

941
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: don't see that storm coming, or don't think it's going

942
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: to be that big of a deal, or don't understand

943
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: what it's like to not be able to stand up

944
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: when you wake up in the morning. Like having a

945
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: good tent is is huge. Yeah, big time. Here's a

946
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: question from another guy named Mark and um to send

947
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: control question. He says, curious, do you still use ozonics

948
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: on every hunt? I do, but I can't really tell

949
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: how effective is once you get to fifty plus yards

950
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: down wind. I'm sure it helps, but I can see

951
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: dear getting my scent sometimes even with the ozonics on

952
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: fresh shower, in sent lot, clothes, etcetera, etcetera. UM. So

953
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: my quick take on this is that, yes, I do

954
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: still use nosonics, and I do think it helps. Sometimes

955
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: I don't think it's sure thing. One. I don't think

956
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: that anything I do from a send control perspective is

957
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: is gonna get me through all time. Um. If I

958
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: can get away with a deer not winding me two

959
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: times out of every ten encounters, I look at that

960
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: as a win, because ten out of ten is worse

961
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: than eight out of ten. Um. And I do think

962
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: that if I do more things right than wrong when

963
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: it comes to send control, it could help me a

964
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: little bit. And if I do, if I get a

965
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: one percent improvement because I'm using clean clothes, and I

966
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: get a one percent improvement in my odds because I

967
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: kept my clothes outside, and if I get a one

968
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: percent chance improvement because I ran my ozonics machine, that

969
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: adds up to you know, three or five percent, or

970
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: if I do ten things right ten whatever it is.

971
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: My point being is that every little bit can help you.

972
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,959
Speaker 1: And my perspective has always been that there's so many

973
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: things that are outside of your control when you're deer hunting,

974
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: especially for a mature buck. That if there's something I

975
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: can do that I can have some control over, I'm

976
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: gonna do my best to do that. So unfortunate I can.

977
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: I was able to get nosonics, and I know some

978
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: people can't afford that, and so it's a luxury. It's

979
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 1: a luxury that I do think helps me sometimes. UM,

980
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: but I don't ever depend on it. I'm always going

981
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: to play the win first and foremost. I'm always going

982
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: to do all those other things right that I can.

983
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: That's there's no guarantees, but but sometimes I do think

984
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: it helps, and um, for that reason, I use one

985
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: tony thoughts. I'm in the same boat. I gotta you know,

986
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: when ozonics originally came out, I thought no way, and

987
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: so I started messing around on some public land here

988
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: in the Twin Cities and realizing, like, I think this

989
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: has given me an advantage I didn't see coming. And

990
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: so I started messing around with bird dogs because I

991
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: play a lot in that space, and it was the

992
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: best way for me to beat a bird dogs nose.

993
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: And it really got me curious. And now you know,

994
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,439
Speaker 1: after you know, however, many years we've been using them,

995
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: I really find that the biggest benefit to me when

996
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: I'm I'm using an osonics machine is when there's that

997
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: kind of lightened variable five to seven mile prour wind.

998
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: You know, if it's if it's twenty miles an hour

999
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: and it's blown pretty consistently, I can play that really well.

1000
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of times you get out there

1001
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: where everything settles down in the evening and that winds

1002
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: kind of coming and going, and it's not that big

1003
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: of a deal for a year that's a hundred and

1004
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 1: fifty yards away, but when they get close to bow range,

1005
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: you're you're in trouble. And that's that's where I felt

1006
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: like I get a real tangible benefit from an osonics unit. Yeah. Yeah,

1007
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's it's it's one more tool you can

1008
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: have in your toolbox. If if if you're fortunate to

1009
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: have something like that, you know, use it, but you

1010
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: certainly don't need to. I don't think anyone listening needs

1011
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: to think that, oh, I'm not gonna be able to

1012
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 1: kill a deer because I can't get one of these

1013
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: little thing with bober has put up at a sure

1014
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: you can certainly do it plenty of other ways, um,

1015
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: but it's helpful too. Um. How about this one a

1016
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: little bit general question, but it might give us some

1017
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: interesting ways to go. Eric asks if we have any

1018
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: late season archery tips. Um. The one thing I would

1019
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: jump on here. It's very simple, uh, not revolutionary at all,

1020
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: but practicing still in the late season I think is

1021
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: the biggest thing for me. I know in past some

1022
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: years I did not do a good job of that.

1023
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: I was great about my practice in the spring and

1024
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: summer and into the fall and into octoe Ober. But

1025
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: as soon as it gets really cold and it's not

1026
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: pleasant to be outside or it's a dark out in

1027
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: the evening when you get home from work, um, and

1028
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: it's not convenient to do it, it's really easy to

1029
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: fall off on that archery practice. And I can tell you,

1030
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: at least from personal experience, that if I'm not shooting

1031
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: my bow often my form and my accuracy drops off

1032
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: pretty quick. To like I needed to keep going. I

1033
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: need to keep my body like tuned in to be

1034
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: on my game. UM. So I'm constantly trying to do

1035
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: a better job of staying up on that, and the

1036
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: best way I've found to do that is to make

1037
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: it easy, like have it routine and make it easy.

1038
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 1: So if that means, you know, keeping a target out

1039
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: in a specific spot and keeping your bow hanging up

1040
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: near your back door, so when you walk out to

1041
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: go to the mudroom, you see your bow hanging up there, like,

1042
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I gotta get my shots, and then you

1043
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: step outside and you shoot it right out your back door.

1044
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: If if there's some way you can make it less

1045
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: inconvenient at this time of year, that might help. Um,

1046
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: I would just say keep the reps coming, do it

1047
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: as much as you can. With clothing that's sim learned

1048
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: to what you're gonna be wearing out there in the

1049
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,959
Speaker 1: field too, because it is different when you've got big

1050
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: puffy layers on versus a T shirt in the summer. Yeah,

1051
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: I would totally agree with that. And I think, you know,

1052
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: most people aren't going to shoot as much in December

1053
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: as they did in August. I mean that's just a given.

1054
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: But the peace of mind that comes from, you know,

1055
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: one three shot round before you go out and sit

1056
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: through the evening knowing nothing change, you know, knowing your

1057
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: bow is still dialed in, and you you get a

1058
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: little confidence boost. It's it's a big deal. You see,

1059
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: you can see what you're capable of. You're not sitting

1060
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: there going, jeez, I haven't drawn this thing back in

1061
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: a month and a half. I hope I didn't bump

1062
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: it around or have something change, but it is, you know,

1063
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: you you gotta you gotta make a little bit of

1064
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: an effort to do that. But it's a big deal.

1065
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: And it's also you know, when you when you consider

1066
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: if you haven't drawn that bow in a month or

1067
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: six weeks or whatever, you know, can you draw it

1068
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: really smoothly back to your face, nice and slow, and

1069
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: or do you have to sky it a little bit

1070
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: and throw some weight in do it? You know, if

1071
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: it if it's not, If that's not an issue, then

1072
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: it's not an issue. But if you're if you're pulling

1073
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: some weight that's at your upper end and you're you're

1074
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: out of practice for a few weeks or more, you

1075
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: might have to do more movement when you draw than

1076
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: you want to and that might cost you a deer. Yeah,

1077
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: And that brings up another good point, which is sometimes

1078
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: when you're really cold or you've been sitting out for

1079
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: a long period of time, it can make it harder

1080
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: to make those movements again too. So what I'll do

1081
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 1: oftentimes almost all the time whenever I get up into

1082
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: a tree all season long, but especially important this time

1083
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: of year, is practice drawing back in the tree at

1084
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: different angles. Um. So this is like a simple little

1085
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: exercise I try to go through every time I get

1086
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: set up in a new tree. I will try to

1087
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: visualize each different place I think a shot might happen,

1088
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: and then draw back and kind of play through that

1089
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: scenario so that I'm making sure, like, Okay, can my

1090
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 1: elbow extend all the way back without hitting something behind me? Well,

1091
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: my arrow clear some branches in front of me? If

1092
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: I turn this way, can I do that without my

1093
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: foot slipping off the platform? Different stuff like that. And

1094
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: if you do that, it prepares you for the shot.

1095
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: But then it also prepares your muscles just to be

1096
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: you know, going through that motion and do that, you know,

1097
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 1: do it in a way that's not going to happen

1098
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: when there's deer around you. But if you sit for

1099
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: three hours and cold, and you've been just frozen to

1100
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: the bone, and you've been maybe it's a morning hunt

1101
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: and it's nine am, and you're gonna stick it out

1102
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 1: for another forty five minutes or something, um, but you're frozen, Like,

1103
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: that's a good time to draw that ball back again

1104
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: and make sure you can do it so that when

1105
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: that deer does show up half an hour later, you

1106
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,479
Speaker 1: don't get in that situation like you just described Tony,

1107
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: where you start to draw back and I can't get

1108
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: it back. I can't get a pull up high or

1109
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 1: do something crazy or get stuck. Like how many people

1110
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: have you heard about who have talked about some cold

1111
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: day onstand and they haven't moved for five hours or

1112
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: three hours and then a deer shows up and they

1113
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: can't get their ball back that in August it was

1114
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: a piece of cake and right now they're struggling. You

1115
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: don't want that moment, no, And you don't want any

1116
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: surprises when you draw, Like you said, so if you

1117
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 1: visualize where they're going to come in, where your shots

1118
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: are going to be, and you know you can draw,

1119
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: your elbow is not gonna hit anything behind you, or

1120
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: you're not going to run out of real estate, or

1121
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: the extra seven layers of clothes you have on are

1122
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: going to interfere. That's all stuff you want to know

1123
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: before before you know that deer walks into twenty yards

1124
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: because if you if you have anything come into the

1125
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 1: equation like that, even if you do get drawn, it's

1126
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden taking away your attention a little

1127
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: bit and adding another element that makes it harder to

1128
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: do your job. And you really want to keep it

1129
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: as simple as possible. So I don't I don't like

1130
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: any surprises when I draw my bowl. I want to

1131
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: I want everything to go exactly as I expected to. Yeah, definitely.

1132
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: Uh question here from Colin. Colin mentions that during the

1133
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 1: late season time, all you hear from people is focused

1134
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: on food, focus on food, focus on food. But this

1135
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: year where he's at, it's been unseasonably mild, temperatures in

1136
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: the thirties or fourties, there's no snow, and his assumptions

1137
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: that deer aren't feeling as much pressure to put the

1138
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: feedback on um. He says, have noticed that deer in

1139
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: my area are still very nocturnal despite the waning moon

1140
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: and decreasing gun pressure. So where should bow hunter's focus

1141
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: at this time of year when the weather doesn't necessitate

1142
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: the urgency to feed in the cover? Man, I mean,

1143
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 1: there's those deer are still going to browse their way through.

1144
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: They're still gonna go bed somewhere thick, They're they're still

1145
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: going to give you an option. And you know what

1146
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: what he mentions with the nocturnal aspect, I mean, that's

1147
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: that's just one of the most common things to deal

1148
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: with right now. I mean, especially if you're if you're

1149
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: gonna be a food hunter this time of year. When

1150
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: you look at it, you've got like nine hours of

1151
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 1: daylight and the rest is dark. It's it's easier for

1152
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: them to be nocturnal now than any time of year.

1153
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: And then you think about all the pressure that pushed

1154
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,439
Speaker 1: them there, and so it's it's really a matter of

1155
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: getting in where they're going to move in daylight. And

1156
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: that kind of goes back to what we talked about

1157
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: at the beginning of this is get into the cover

1158
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: and figure it out, because there's there's options there beyond

1159
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 1: just on a on a field edge for a lot

1160
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: of people. Yeah, And I think it's it's it's tricky

1161
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: when you have to go and try to find that

1162
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And I would give one other idea

1163
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: to think about, which is you can sometimes that cold

1164
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: weather and the great food source connect as a crutch

1165
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: a little bit, or or it's that thing that will

1166
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: get the deer moving when otherwise they might not. But

1167
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: you can also sometimes find places where the deer are

1168
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: going to move, regardless which which you alluded to. One

1169
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: of those could be like that good cover. Um. The

1170
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: other scenario that you might be able to seek out

1171
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: and find is like the sanctuary. And sometimes the sanctuary

1172
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: could be the best cover, but it also might be

1173
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: something different. It might be a neighboring property where no

1174
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: one is allowed to hunt, and if that's something you

1175
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: can find, or a little city park where no one

1176
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,959
Speaker 1: is allowed to hunt or something. Those are the types

1177
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: of places where late season bucks will flock to after

1178
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: all that pressure, and if they find that little safe pocket,

1179
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: they might be much more comfortable moving in daylight once

1180
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: they find that safe area. So you might be able

1181
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: to find some non nocturnal movement, or you might be

1182
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: able to find that one buck that's still moving around

1183
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: if you can find where these little sanctuary spots are. Um,

1184
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: you know that that ten degree day with a foot

1185
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: of fresh snow is the type of thing that might

1186
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: pull a buck out of somewhere where he has been

1187
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: pressured and get him on his feet. But when you

1188
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: don't have that, you've got to find the spots where

1189
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: they already are. And um, it's probably one of those

1190
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: two things we discussed. Yeah, I think that it's really

1191
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: easy to assume there's a big time nocturnal thing going on.

1192
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: But also if you're it's entirely dependent on where you're

1193
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: sitting and what you're watching, or if you know, if

1194
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: you're running trail cameras this time of year, you could

1195
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: very easily buy into that, but it might not be

1196
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: the case. You know. I think that nice weather this

1197
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: time of year is actually more fun to hunt, and

1198
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: I find myself sitting longer, and I see dear doing

1199
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: things that I wouldn't expect them to do, and it's

1200
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: almost all movement in the cover. But I don't see

1201
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: even even really heavily pressured deer. I see them get

1202
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: up and move around, and sometimes you see like a

1203
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: nine thirty little little kind of blitz of activity where

1204
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: they must get up and go brows around in the cover.

1205
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: And there's a lot going on out there that you

1206
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: you really don't know about. To you go spend a

1207
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: lot of time in the woods, yea, Yeah, that's the truth.

1208
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: Now here's a flip side, Tony. If you've got the

1209
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: time left in the season and you haven't been able

1210
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: to find a buck yet, and you're sitting here thinking

1211
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: to yourself, Okay, I know where this good cover is,

1212
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: and I know there could be you know, some activity

1213
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: going on in there, but at the same time, the

1214
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: weather is lousy, the deer aren't moving a lot there

1215
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: in that cover right now, and I could push in there,

1216
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: but that's an aggressive move. And maybe there's you know,

1217
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: maybe there is a mature buck there. But if I

1218
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: push in there the wrong way, you know, I might

1219
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: really book your stuff up. Um, would you recommend waiting

1220
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: for some period of time if there is good weather coming.

1221
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: Let's say you've got two weekends or you've got three

1222
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: days of vacation. Would you burn it right away? Or

1223
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: would you look at the fifteen day forecast and then

1224
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: that does look like we're finally going to get it.

1225
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: It's the last two days of the season, but we're

1226
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: going to get it. Would you still do what you

1227
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: just alluded to or would you save your time and

1228
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: wait till you do you have those ideal conditions this

1229
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: time of year, I would I would check that forecast out,

1230
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: just just because you're probably really only working against the

1231
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: deer here. You're not probably considering a ton of extra

1232
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: hunting pressure, and so you're you're just playing the game

1233
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: against the deer. And if if your situation has some food,

1234
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: and you know it's forty degrees for the next five days,

1235
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: but it's going to drop down to ten on the

1236
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: sixth day, you know, then you can make that move.

1237
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: Then you can play that, you know, because you're not

1238
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: worried about other people going in and probably messing around

1239
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: with them. You know, if you're if you're hunt in

1240
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: public land and you think a bunch of squirrel hunters

1241
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: are going to go in there or something, it might

1242
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: be a different scenario. But if you if you have

1243
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: the option to wait and play the conditions and you

1244
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: don't think people are gonna screw that up, then yeah,

1245
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: that's that's definitely the road I'd go. Yeah, Yeah, I agreed.

1246
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: If you've got the flexibility, it certainly helps. It's certainly

1247
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: weather definitely can help a lot this time. If you

1248
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: can get on your side. It's it's not something to

1249
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: take for granted, Um, okay, we have to wrap it

1250
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: up here, but a couple quick ones. Um, let's see

1251
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: maybe one last quick one here, here's something that maybe

1252
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: would be interesting. Um. Nate asks, I've been saving a

1253
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: spot all year that has a wind turbine on it,

1254
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: a new wind turbine, and I've been waiting for them

1255
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: to get the equipment out of there. Do you think

1256
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: that that will disturb the deer too much having this

1257
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: new construction equipment there, um? Or should I have just

1258
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: been getting after regardless? Um. He says that he hasn't

1259
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: even gone out there to put up cameras, so he

1260
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: doesn't know what's going on, but he's been just kind

1261
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: of waiting for the disturbance to be gone. So I

1262
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: guess to generalize the question, would like a construction project

1263
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: of sorts, like a wind turbine, or like someone building

1264
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: the house or someone putting up some kind of pipeline

1265
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: through a property, will that mess up the deer movement

1266
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: or not? Uh? You know, again, it's a little bit situational,

1267
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,959
Speaker 1: but my gut says no. I mean, I've just spent

1268
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: a lot of time hunting around wind turbines and construction

1269
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: here in the cities, and it's it really doesn't factor

1270
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: And I don't think a whole lot, you know. I mean,

1271
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: if it was right next to the only betting cover

1272
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: or something, sure, there's you know, there's a chance it

1273
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: could really screw you up. But I wouldn't I wouldn't

1274
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: be super conservative in that situation. I think that those

1275
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: deer are going to look at that just like they

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01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: look at farming activity and and probably not see it

1277
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,919
Speaker 1: as much of a threat. And I'd get after them. Yeah. Yeah,

1278
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: I think dear pretty quickly determine, you know, what's normal

1279
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: in a given situation what's not. And you know, that

1280
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: first day when the construction began, in the first couple

1281
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: of days, I'm like, whoa, this is not normal and

1282
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: I'm not into it, and they're gonna steer clear of it.

1283
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: But after it's been there for a month, um or

1284
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: whatever however long the time it's been, they're gonna eventually realize, okay,

1285
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: and this zone there's this kind of stuff going on,

1286
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to learn how to live around it,

1287
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: and they'll start moving again, and we'll start there'll be

1288
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: some kind of safety zone where they feel comfortable. But

1289
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: as soon as people go beyond where they usually are,

1290
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: then they'll become uncomfortable again. So I think that I

1291
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: think there probably is, you know, as you alluded to, Tony,

1292
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a certain a certain degree of normalcy

1293
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: that that that starts again and that you can just

1294
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: start taking advantage of, and you actually might be able

1295
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 1: to use it to your advantage because all of a sudden,

1296
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: like they're okay with a certain amount of human scent

1297
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: blowing in there, and they're okay with a certain amount

1298
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: of ruckets going on because it's there every day and

1299
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: they've got to continue on with their lives. So they

1300
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: might not travel right into that betting air like they

1301
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: always used to because it's too close to something. But

1302
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: figure out how they adjusted and then adapt to that.

1303
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: Um I think, you know, you know, all of a sudden,

1304
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: now you might have a great place for your wind

1305
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: to blow into, or you might have a really good

1306
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: access route now that you didn't have beforehand. Um So,

1307
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: so just trying to figure out how they adapt and

1308
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,959
Speaker 1: then and then roll with that would be my suggestion. Yeah,

1309
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: I agree, And I think the only way to find

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01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: out is to hunt them and see exactly. Okay, Tony,

1311
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: let's do one last question here from Dominic and this

1312
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: is one. UM that's more just for me, but you

1313
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:41,439
Speaker 1: can weigh in with any thoughts given your experience. Um.

1314
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: Dominic asked, when is the back forty being given away?

1315
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: And how are you going to deal with the emotions

1316
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: of lee losing a piece of land like that that

1317
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: you put so much work into. So I'll answer that

1318
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: the second part first, um, which is it is? It

1319
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: is bittersw in that definitely put a ton of work

1320
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: into it over the last two years and have seen

1321
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: it change and kind of begin to show so much potential.

1322
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: So part of me is like, man, I would just

1323
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: absolutely love to see what this place is going to

1324
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: be like in five years or ten years. And so

1325
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: many of the things we made or the changes we

1326
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: made are just just scratching the surface, Like I just

1327
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: barely get to get our fingers into it before you know, uh,

1328
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: And really with just that little bit of work, not

1329
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: a little, it's a lot of work, but with a

1330
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: short amount of time, UM, we've seen like really exciting

1331
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: first initial results. Um. So part of me would love

1332
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: to have another ten years and be able to keep

1333
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: grinding on it and see what it could really become.

1334
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: But another part of me is excited to you know,

1335
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: kind of let my baby go out into the world

1336
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 1: and spread their wings. And um, and and mostly that

1337
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: excited because I know it's going to spread its wings

1338
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: in a really cool way. Because we are giving the

1339
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: property away at the end of this year, and we

1340
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: just recently announced how we're doing that. UM. I don't

1341
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: know if I told you about this tone or not. UM,

1342
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: but what we decided we always said from the beginning,

1343
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna give it away. UM. We you know, hadn't

1344
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: shared specifically how we're going to give it away, but

1345
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: we knew like we're not gonna hold onto this thing

1346
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,439
Speaker 1: and have this be the mediator private hunting mecca. UM.

1347
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: We're going to you know, by this place, learn about it,

1348
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: share the experience, improve it, and then pass it on

1349
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: to someone or something. And what we decided to do

1350
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: was we wanted this to continue to be a a

1351
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: place and a resource for other people to learn about

1352
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,919
Speaker 1: hunting and learn about wildlife and you know, learn about

1353
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: the natural world. And we've been able to use it

1354
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: for that the last couple of years by building content

1355
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: around it and by taking out all sorts of guest

1356
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: hunters and bringing new hunters out there and giving them

1357
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: those experiences, and we want that to keep happening. So

1358
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: we have decided to donate to give away the back

1359
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: forty to the National Deer Associate. So this is the

1360
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: organization that used to be known as the Equality Deer

1361
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: Management Association. It's now the National Deer Association. Um. They're

1362
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 1: the guys that came out with the Field of Fork program,

1363
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 1: one of the best programs out there for recruiting new

1364
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: hunters and bringing them through a mentorship program. UM. I

1365
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: got to be a mentor and be a part of

1366
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: that last year and see what they're doing. It's it's

1367
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: a really good stuff. They've got a really strong system

1368
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: in place for teaching folks how to be new hunters

1369
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 1: and pair them with mentors and give them the support

1370
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: they need. And so we're giving them the back forward

1371
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 1: so they have a place to run those programs, so

1372
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: they have a really high quality place to bring new

1373
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: people out to show them what's going on in a

1374
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: piece of lant like this, to take them out hunting

1375
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: and they can see a bunch of deer and get

1376
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: a chance at the first dear and learn how to

1377
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 1: get a deer and learn how to butcher a deer

1378
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. UM. Talking to some other people

1379
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 1: I know, like Dan Jejo, who was the new hunter

1380
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: we brought out this year and he's been hunting public

1381
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: land and he's at a hell of a time seeing

1382
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: any deer at all. As a new hunter, that can

1383
01:07:58,160 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: be a really tough thing. And so he saw like

1384
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: one doll the entire season this year. And then he

1385
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 1: came out and was hunting the Back forty and you know,

1386
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 1: the first day he said, you know, I saw more

1387
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: deer in the last couple hours and I saw all

1388
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: season leading up to this, and he was so excited

1389
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: about that. Um. You know, having a place like that

1390
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: to give to be kind of fast track some of

1391
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: those experiences is is a pretty neat thing. And so

1392
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 1: that's what we want to happen on the back Ford

1393
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: and that's what we're gonna do. We're passing it on

1394
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:26,799
Speaker 1: to them and UH, we're gonna continue to keep tabs

1395
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: on it and help out with some things out there.

1396
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: I'm excited about some other things will be announcing later

1397
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: this year early next UM, but we are going to

1398
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: continue sharing some of the stories from the Back forty

1399
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 1: and uh and helping it along over the future years.

1400
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: But that's what's happening, and you can learn more about

1401
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: that on the Mediator website where we describe in some

1402
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 1: more detail what we're doing with the Back forty and

1403
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 1: the last episode of the Back forty series just dropped

1404
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: this past weekend as well, so you can you can

1405
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: learn some there as well. Um, that's the plan, Tony.

1406
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? I love it, man,

1407
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's awesome, and I think

1408
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,639
Speaker 1: that I think that they don't understand how delicious those

1409
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 1: deer are that they're getting there. That's even an added

1410
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: bonus too. That's a good point, yea, you and I

1411
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: can both attest to. That's high quality venison. It's great. No,

1412
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's an awesome, awesome thing.

1413
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: You guys are doing well. Uh, it's It's been a

1414
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: lot of fun, and I'm glad that you could be

1415
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 1: out there too to both enjoy it and to really

1416
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: help us set the foundation with allow those those tree

1417
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 1: stands and box blinds we put up, Tony are are

1418
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 1: going to help a lot of new hunters of the

1419
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 1: coming year. So kudos to you man, thanks again for

1420
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: your help. Well, no problem, but it was a blast,

1421
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 1: all right. Well, any final thoughts were wrap this one up,

1422
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 1: just just get out there and enjoy it. It's gonna

1423
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 1: end soon and we're gonna have to wait a long time.

1424
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,679
Speaker 1: And so just if you if you have the chance

1425
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: to hunt now, even if you think it's not gonna

1426
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: be very good, it's still it's still worth it to

1427
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 1: get out there. That's very true, highly recommended. And I

1428
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:02,600
Speaker 1: always I love those last few huns when especially the

1429
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 1: last night, that last hour. You know, if it's if

1430
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: it's not action packed, I'm actually okay with that because

1431
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 1: I like to just sit and really just soaking everything

1432
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: around me and taking every every squirrel chirping on a

1433
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 1: branch next to me, or every every animal that does

1434
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,680
Speaker 1: pass by, or looking at the moon rising or the

1435
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: sun setting or I know it's taking all those little

1436
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: things and just try to savor it. Just try to

1437
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: just soak every little last bid in and then then

1438
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 1: also reflect on the season um that led up to that.

1439
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: It's just those last hunts or something to just enjoy

1440
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 1: for what they are. So so do that, do that,

1441
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 1: and uh, until next time, Thank you for tuning in,

1442
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 1: Thanks for being here, and stay wired to hunt,