WEBVTT - 2025 Update: Rose 0:00:15.210 --> 0:00:21.489 Pushkin Khila Holt. Welcome to the. 0:00:21.490 --> 0:00:26.410 Studio, Jonathan Goldstein, Thank you for welcoming me to the studio. 0:00:27.370 --> 0:00:28.770 Getting a little bit of sarcasm. 0:00:29.970 --> 0:00:32.330 Thank you, Thank you for welcoming me. 0:00:34.610 --> 0:00:37.450 Today, we're going to be listening to an episode that 0:00:37.489 --> 0:00:40.850 originally ran Oh boy, like what seven years ago? 0:00:40.850 --> 0:00:42.050 We're in twenty seventeen. 0:00:42.090 --> 0:00:46.170 I'm pretty sure, so, oh my eight years ago. 0:00:46.489 --> 0:00:47.689 It's a fan favorite. 0:00:48.450 --> 0:00:50.210 Yeah, and it's one of my favorites too. 0:00:50.569 --> 0:00:52.650 There's something I still quote from it, which is I 0:00:52.730 --> 0:00:55.450 think she explains in the episode when she says Pearl, 0:00:55.650 --> 0:00:57.690 I still think of Pearl to this day. 0:00:57.890 --> 0:00:58.210 Wow. 0:00:58.450 --> 0:01:00.050 Rose has had an impact on me. 0:01:00.410 --> 0:01:02.650 And I'm sure she's gonna have an impact on our listeners. 0:01:02.690 --> 0:01:03.450 I'm sure she is. 0:01:03.850 --> 0:01:06.970 Rose has an impact wherever she goes. And if you 0:01:07.010 --> 0:01:10.090 stick around at the end of the episode, we're going 0:01:10.170 --> 0:01:13.209 to catch up with present day Rose and see where 0:01:13.250 --> 0:01:15.330 she is all these years later, what she's up to. 0:01:15.730 --> 0:01:20.050 Enjoy everybody, But don't start licking your chops quite yet. 0:01:20.530 --> 0:01:23.890 That's disgusting. Who wants to do about chops before you 0:01:23.930 --> 0:01:26.370 start enjoying. We are going to start off with a 0:01:26.370 --> 0:01:27.450 word from our sponsors. 0:01:34.210 --> 0:01:35.770 Hey, how are you. 0:01:35.930 --> 0:01:38.970 I noticed that we're not Facebook friends or not? 0:01:39.690 --> 0:01:42.650 No? I think didn't you try to Facebook friend me? 0:01:42.890 --> 0:01:43.890 I don't think I responded. 0:01:44.170 --> 0:01:46.810 Do you know how embarrassing that is? 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No, 0:02:16.450 --> 0:02:16.730 why not? 0:02:16.930 --> 0:02:17.090 One? 0:02:17.170 --> 0:02:24.370 Two, three? And then we pressed the button? Ready hurtful 0:02:30.210 --> 0:02:34.609 from Dimlet Media. I'm Jonathan Goldstein and this is Heavyweight. 0:02:35.250 --> 0:02:51.770 Today's episode rose In nineteen sixty two, the Beatles had 0:02:51.810 --> 0:02:55.290 their first number one hit, Love Me Do. A lesser 0:02:55.330 --> 0:02:58.410 known fact is that just months earlier, the band kicked 0:02:58.450 --> 0:03:02.210 out their original drummer, Pete Best. The Beatles had their 0:03:02.210 --> 0:03:05.770 manager do the job. The lads just don't want you 0:03:05.850 --> 0:03:07.730 in the band anymore, he said. 0:03:08.490 --> 0:03:08.610 No. 0:03:08.690 --> 0:03:13.650 Further explanation was given, but over the years different theories emerged. 0:03:14.090 --> 0:03:16.970 Pete Best didn't have the right hair, Pete Best wasn't 0:03:16.970 --> 0:03:20.810 funny or artsy enough, he didn't dress right. For a 0:03:20.810 --> 0:03:23.850 long time afterwards, Pete Best wondered why his old friends 0:03:23.890 --> 0:03:27.770 had kicked him out. But he got married, started a family. 0:03:28.210 --> 0:03:32.570 Obla de oh bla da, life went on. That's what happens. 0:03:32.970 --> 0:03:37.290 People get kicked out of bands, parties, jobs, and eventually 0:03:37.410 --> 0:03:41.330 they stopped searching for the reason why most people do anyway. 0:03:42.530 --> 0:03:45.690 So I moved into my college dorm when I was seventeen. 0:03:45.930 --> 0:03:48.570 I was an incoming freshman in the fall of two 0:03:48.570 --> 0:03:49.210 thousand and one. 0:03:49.970 --> 0:03:52.930 This is Rose and the school she was entering was 0:03:52.930 --> 0:03:55.810 the University of North Florida, and it's like. 0:03:55.730 --> 0:03:58.410 A beachy community. I was like a cool surfer chick. 0:03:58.890 --> 0:04:01.530 I dreve like an old Volvo that was covered in 0:04:01.570 --> 0:04:02.690 like band stickers. 0:04:03.610 --> 0:04:06.410 Rose was a rebel, And if all the teen movies 0:04:06.450 --> 0:04:09.010 I'd watched during the mid eighties taught me anything about 0:04:09.130 --> 0:04:12.970 campus life, it was that rebels don't mix with popular kids, 0:04:13.690 --> 0:04:16.929 and at the University of North Florida. Nobody was more 0:04:16.969 --> 0:04:19.409 popular than the sorority girls. 0:04:19.729 --> 0:04:22.330 Well, you like walk through school and they're set up 0:04:22.330 --> 0:04:24.290 there and they're like along the sidewalks and they're like, 0:04:24.330 --> 0:04:26.650 are you interested in enjoying a sorority? And I would 0:04:26.729 --> 0:04:29.370 just like blow by on my skateboard and be like no, 0:04:30.089 --> 0:04:32.129 I didn't think that I'd ever be affiliated with it. 0:04:32.969 --> 0:04:35.050 With with with sorority life. 0:04:35.330 --> 0:04:38.009 Yeah, with Greek life, with the sororities and the fraternities 0:04:38.049 --> 0:04:39.969 and like the cool kids and their pop callers, Like, 0:04:39.969 --> 0:04:47.809 I didn't think that was for me. So the summer 0:04:47.890 --> 0:04:50.890 after my freshman year, I meet this dude and I 0:04:50.969 --> 0:04:55.770 start dating him, and he's in a fraternity and I'm 0:04:55.770 --> 0:04:58.170 making friends with all these people in the Greek community 0:04:58.169 --> 0:05:01.010 and I'm like, Oh, they're normal, they're not pretentious, they're 0:05:01.049 --> 0:05:04.370 not weird. I started to dress like them, I started 0:05:04.409 --> 0:05:07.529 to act like them, and I wanted to be accepted. 0:05:08.489 --> 0:05:12.890 And the fall of my junior year, I rushed and 0:05:12.969 --> 0:05:15.049 I got a bid from Alpha Kai and I joined. 0:05:18.770 --> 0:05:20.849 Sorry, the name of the sorority. 0:05:21.010 --> 0:05:24.329 Was, it's called Alpha chi Omega. 0:05:24.929 --> 0:05:27.890 Alpha chi Omega. 0:05:27.130 --> 0:05:33.289 And we were the Theta Sigma chapter Stata sigma chapter 0:05:33.409 --> 0:05:37.490 theta with the thh. So it was the Theta sigma 0:05:37.570 --> 0:05:41.849 chapter of Alpha ky Omega, and it was at unf sororities. 0:05:42.810 --> 0:05:45.210 It was a new and exciting world with such a 0:05:45.289 --> 0:05:49.770 rich history. It turns out that Condoleeza, Rice Enron Whistleblow, 0:05:49.849 --> 0:05:53.450 or Sharon Watkins and Don Wells, who played Marianne on 0:05:53.489 --> 0:05:57.010 Gilligan's Island, were all members of Alpha Kai and had 0:05:57.049 --> 0:06:00.969 taken secret oaths to remain sisters for life. I listened 0:06:00.969 --> 0:06:03.969 avidly as Rose explains what it means to be a 0:06:04.010 --> 0:06:07.650 part of Alpha chi Omega Theta sigma chapter. 0:06:07.890 --> 0:06:11.089 We are classy ladies, We are sophisticated, We wear pearls, 0:06:11.130 --> 0:06:12.130 we know our manners. 0:06:12.250 --> 0:06:15.529 You know, like that, did they use the word classy. 0:06:15.369 --> 0:06:16.369 You're not being classy? 0:06:16.489 --> 0:06:16.729 Yeah? 0:06:16.729 --> 0:06:20.210 Absolutely. And they had like all these weird acronyms, like 0:06:20.489 --> 0:06:22.289 if someone came up to you and whispered in your 0:06:22.330 --> 0:06:26.690 ear pearl, it was like the acronym for pearl, pearl, 0:06:27.450 --> 0:06:29.650 please engage in acts resembling a lady. 0:06:31.130 --> 0:06:33.730 So if someone says pearl in your that would mean 0:06:33.770 --> 0:06:34.690 you would begin. 0:06:34.529 --> 0:06:36.810 To It would mean like, let's say I'm doing a 0:06:36.890 --> 0:06:39.489 keg stand at a party and another sister is there. 0:06:39.650 --> 0:06:42.929 Instead of being like, young lady, get down, write this instant, 0:06:42.969 --> 0:06:46.210 because that's causing a scene. Now you're causing attention. Instead, 0:06:46.330 --> 0:06:48.409 she's supposed to tap me on the shoulder and whisper 0:06:48.450 --> 0:06:51.650 in my ear pearl, and then I'm supposed to be like, oh, 0:06:51.690 --> 0:06:53.210 you're right, thank you for reminding me. 0:06:58.289 --> 0:07:01.890 Rose took on new hobbies, scrap booking with her sorority sisters, 0:07:02.210 --> 0:07:05.650 building floats for the homecoming parade, and dressing head to 0:07:05.650 --> 0:07:09.089 toe in scarlet red and olive green the Alpha Kaya 0:07:09.089 --> 0:07:12.689 Omega colors. And while she'd never seen herself being cut 0:07:12.730 --> 0:07:15.809 out for all of this sorority stuff, the crazy thing 0:07:16.010 --> 0:07:19.490 was it actually made her really happy. 0:07:19.570 --> 0:07:22.610 I was a gong ho, like I'm a participator. I 0:07:22.650 --> 0:07:25.930 got really into it and just walking around school now 0:07:25.970 --> 0:07:28.489 all of a sudden, like you know everybody, and everybody 0:07:28.530 --> 0:07:31.770 knows you, and now you're in on the inside jokes, 0:07:32.090 --> 0:07:34.210 like I felt like I belonged, Like I went from 0:07:34.250 --> 0:07:38.810 being like a disgruntled outsider to being like the bubbly participant. 0:07:43.090 --> 0:07:46.730 Rose and her sorority sisters did everything together, beach trips, 0:07:46.970 --> 0:07:50.689 watching The Bachelor. One weekend, they all ran a campus 0:07:50.770 --> 0:07:54.770 charity race together, but afterwards something felt a miss. 0:07:56.010 --> 0:07:58.770 And I remember thinking like, man, I feel really tired 0:07:58.810 --> 0:08:01.130 after that five K and I'm having a lot of 0:08:01.170 --> 0:08:03.809 trouble sleeping and I keep sweating through my sheets at night. 0:08:04.450 --> 0:08:07.410 Rose also noticed that her neck was swollen. She was 0:08:07.410 --> 0:08:10.970 feeling achy and fatigued. After a few weeks, she went 0:08:11.010 --> 0:08:12.090 to see a doctor. 0:08:12.489 --> 0:08:14.650 And I said, could you take a look at my neck, like, 0:08:14.690 --> 0:08:17.690 I don't think something's right. And the nurse practitioner who 0:08:17.730 --> 0:08:19.290 was treating me that day just like looked at me 0:08:19.330 --> 0:08:21.050 in horror and was like, you have to go to 0:08:21.130 --> 0:08:24.290 radiation right now. And I was like, I have to 0:08:24.290 --> 0:08:27.210 make an appointment, and she was like, no, I'm calling 0:08:27.250 --> 0:08:29.050 the second floor and you're gonna go get a CT 0:08:29.170 --> 0:08:33.490 scan right now. So it was crazy. They called it 0:08:33.570 --> 0:08:38.570 nodular sclerosing Hodgkins lymphoma. I had huge, pronounced lymph notes 0:08:38.610 --> 0:08:40.370 all over my body. You could take one look at 0:08:40.370 --> 0:08:41.970 me and it looked like my neck and chest were 0:08:42.010 --> 0:08:45.010 just full of golf balls, like something was wrong. By 0:08:45.010 --> 0:08:47.250 the time we started testing and staging, I mean I 0:08:47.290 --> 0:08:50.690 was a stage three. This is like big cake cancer, 0:08:50.850 --> 0:08:53.290 This is like shave your head, Rose, like you've got 0:08:53.290 --> 0:08:56.850 real cancer. So I think around May I started chemo. 0:08:57.930 --> 0:09:00.810 Rose dropped out of her classes and quit her extracurriculars. 0:09:01.090 --> 0:09:04.770 Her days filled up with doctor's appointments and chemotherapy. The 0:09:04.810 --> 0:09:07.530 one bright note throughout was the support she got from 0:09:07.530 --> 0:09:11.010 her sorority sisters. They took her to concerts in Jacksonville 0:09:11.090 --> 0:09:14.210 Jaguar football games, they sold hot pink ribbons in the 0:09:14.250 --> 0:09:18.690 quad and raised thousands of dollars for Rose's treatment. Alpha 0:09:18.770 --> 0:09:21.930 Kai took care of Rose, and Rose was dedicated to 0:09:21.970 --> 0:09:25.210 Alpha Kai. She was on the executive board in charge 0:09:25.250 --> 0:09:28.930 of recruiting new members, and even through her cancer, she 0:09:29.050 --> 0:09:30.130 kept up with her work. 0:09:31.050 --> 0:09:33.370 And new girls are coming through and they have to 0:09:33.370 --> 0:09:36.850 decide which sorority they want to join. And now Alpha 0:09:36.930 --> 0:09:39.210 Kai has like one hell of a tale to tell. 0:09:40.010 --> 0:09:42.690 Now we're not just a regular sorority. We're the sorority 0:09:42.690 --> 0:09:44.730 with the cancer girl, and we're saving her life. 0:09:45.530 --> 0:09:47.610 And that was something that they led with. That was 0:09:47.650 --> 0:09:49.610 actually something that was made explicit. 0:09:50.290 --> 0:09:52.410 Oh, I got up there with my bald head and 0:09:52.450 --> 0:09:54.610 gave a speech and cried every time about how my 0:09:54.650 --> 0:09:57.290 sisters were saving my life. 0:09:57.610 --> 0:10:00.890 Rose was lucky by the spring of her senior year, 0:10:01.090 --> 0:10:03.770 her cancer went into remission for the first time in 0:10:03.810 --> 0:10:06.530 more than a year. She felt like a normal college kid. 0:10:07.450 --> 0:10:09.810 I just had a lot of fun that sematter. My 0:10:09.850 --> 0:10:11.970 hair's starting to grow back, I'm starting to get my 0:10:12.130 --> 0:10:14.290 energy back. I'm starting to feel like a normal person. 0:10:14.370 --> 0:10:16.610 And like, now I'm not just going to a party 0:10:16.650 --> 0:10:18.370 to like, you know, make sure I'm getting out of 0:10:18.370 --> 0:10:20.530 the house, like now I want to party, Like now 0:10:20.570 --> 0:10:23.410 I want to have fun. So I did. I felt 0:10:23.450 --> 0:10:24.290 like I deserved it. 0:10:25.130 --> 0:10:27.970 Then one night, after being cancer free for five months, 0:10:28.370 --> 0:10:31.250 Rose went to Alpha Kai's weekly meeting, which met in 0:10:31.290 --> 0:10:33.170 an old auditorium on campus. 0:10:33.690 --> 0:10:36.570 And I come to the meeting and they're like, hey, Rose, 0:10:36.570 --> 0:10:38.410 can you stay after We need to talk to you. 0:10:39.130 --> 0:10:41.370 So they clear everybody out and now it's just like 0:10:41.490 --> 0:10:46.810 five or six women and me, and they're like all right, Rose, 0:10:46.810 --> 0:10:49.890 Like this is gonna be tough. We're gonna have to 0:10:49.930 --> 0:10:56.650 ask you to resign. And I was like, excuse me, Yeah, 0:10:56.650 --> 0:10:58.410 we're gonna have to ask you to resign. And I 0:10:58.490 --> 0:11:02.650 thought they meant from my position, my officer position. I'm like, 0:11:02.730 --> 0:11:06.410 you're asking me to step down as VP recruitment, Like 0:11:06.450 --> 0:11:08.810 the new girls love me. I'm great with the new girls. 0:11:08.810 --> 0:11:12.970 Why I've got this marketing on lock And they're like, oh, no, no, no, 0:11:13.090 --> 0:11:17.970 we want you to resign from the organization. We want 0:11:18.010 --> 0:11:23.530 you to resign from Alpha Kai and I lost it. 0:11:23.530 --> 0:11:25.730 It's like you know that feeling when someone's breaking up 0:11:25.730 --> 0:11:27.570 with you, and like you get that cold feeling in 0:11:27.610 --> 0:11:29.570 your chest and you know that someone's about to look 0:11:29.570 --> 0:11:31.170 at you and say, like this isn't working. 0:11:31.850 --> 0:11:32.610 Yeah. 0:11:32.650 --> 0:11:35.050 It was like that times one hundred, Like now a 0:11:35.170 --> 0:11:37.290 hundred of my friends were all breaking up with me 0:11:37.450 --> 0:11:40.450 in a very methodical way, and I didn't see it coming, 0:11:45.810 --> 0:11:48.450 and I just kept saying, why, what do you mean 0:11:48.490 --> 0:11:51.290 you want me out? And this is when they just 0:11:51.970 --> 0:11:54.210 all of a sudden, it was like these women I'd 0:11:54.250 --> 0:11:57.610 known for years, they were strangers and there was no compassion, 0:11:57.690 --> 0:12:00.490 there was no kindness. It was you know what you did, Rose, 0:12:01.130 --> 0:12:09.450 you know what you did? And I was like, no, no, 0:12:10.490 --> 0:12:12.570 you have to tell me what did I do? Did 0:12:12.650 --> 0:12:15.690 something bad happen? Rose? We're not getting into it. You 0:12:15.770 --> 0:12:20.810 know what you did? And I'm just like, no, no, 0:12:20.890 --> 0:12:22.690 I don't know what I did. And at this point 0:12:22.730 --> 0:12:26.890 I am so distraught. I think I'm like hyperventilating and crying. 0:12:26.890 --> 0:12:29.130 I think I'm ugly crying. I think like snaw is 0:12:29.210 --> 0:12:32.210 just bubbling out of my nose and I don't have 0:12:32.290 --> 0:12:35.929 the wherewithal to demand answers. And I'm like, so that's it, 0:12:36.290 --> 0:12:39.450 We're done here. You want me out? And they're like, yeah, 0:12:39.490 --> 0:12:42.530 as of tonight, you are no longer affiliated with Alpha Kyomega. 0:12:49.970 --> 0:12:52.690 She was getting straight a's, she was on the student council, 0:12:52.890 --> 0:12:56.570 She never done anything illegal, but Rose was out and 0:12:56.610 --> 0:12:57.730 no one would tell her why. 0:12:58.410 --> 0:12:59.730 No one has ever told me? 0:12:59.970 --> 0:13:01.850 And did you ever pursue it further? 0:13:02.090 --> 0:13:06.090 God, yes, for years? Like, hey guys, it's been five 0:13:06.170 --> 0:13:08.610 years since we graduated college. I know this is kind 0:13:08.650 --> 0:13:10.770 of weird, but I still think about it. Does anyone 0:13:10.770 --> 0:13:12.890 want to tell me? I've like done the thing on 0:13:12.930 --> 0:13:15.530 Facebook where I've like made the big Facebook post where 0:13:15.570 --> 0:13:17.570 I'm like, all right, does everyone remember when Rose got 0:13:17.610 --> 0:13:19.890 kicked out Alpha Kai, Like if you or anyone you 0:13:19.970 --> 0:13:23.170 know has any information, like I'm still dying to know. 0:13:23.930 --> 0:13:25.570 And then like dozens of my friends are like, oh, 0:13:25.610 --> 0:13:27.130 I'm following this post. What was it? 0:13:27.170 --> 0:13:27.490 What was it? 0:13:27.610 --> 0:13:31.050 And still to this day, no answers and like you're 0:13:31.090 --> 0:13:32.690 racking your brain. I'm like, did I get black out 0:13:32.730 --> 0:13:34.250 drunk and sleep with someone's boyfriend? 0:13:35.650 --> 0:13:38.410 Did you ever see any other of the sisters get 0:13:38.450 --> 0:13:38.930 kicked out? 0:13:39.530 --> 0:13:40.570 No? No? 0:13:40.770 --> 0:13:43.810 And that's the thing is like, okay, let's not mince 0:13:43.850 --> 0:13:46.890 words here, like was Rosea party girl? Yes? Were there 0:13:46.930 --> 0:13:48.290 girls who were way worse than me? 0:13:48.730 --> 0:13:49.370 Absolutely? 0:13:49.450 --> 0:13:50.530 And did they get kicked out? 0:13:50.890 --> 0:13:51.130 Never? 0:13:52.090 --> 0:13:54.970 Does Rose refer to herself in the third person? Yes? 0:13:55.250 --> 0:13:58.930 Does you present the puzzling riddle? Absolutely? And with Jonathan 0:13:59.010 --> 0:14:06.250 quit before solving it. Never. Rose's college memories have all 0:14:06.290 --> 0:14:09.610 been tainted by that one day twelve years ago, But 0:14:09.650 --> 0:14:13.050 her ex sorority sisters are now adult women in their thirties. 0:14:13.530 --> 0:14:18.610 They had to be past the college drama. So after 0:14:18.730 --> 0:14:21.090 Rose and I part I begin reaching out to them 0:14:21.210 --> 0:14:27.810 for their help. Hey, Amanda, this is Jonathan Goldstein. I've 0:14:27.810 --> 0:14:29.770 been trying to get in touch Anita. I was trying 0:14:29.770 --> 0:14:33.410 to reach you there. Zoe, this is Jonathan Goldstein. We'll 0:14:33.450 --> 0:14:35.930 speak soon, Claire. I phone them in their cars. 0:14:36.290 --> 0:14:37.810 Hi, Hey, I want to say I've got my daughter 0:14:37.850 --> 0:14:38.930 walking into ballet class. 0:14:39.850 --> 0:14:42.410 Short. No, of course, I phone them in their homes. 0:14:42.610 --> 0:14:44.130 Do you have a minute to speak. 0:14:44.370 --> 0:14:46.370 I do, I have a toddler. 0:14:46.010 --> 0:14:48.570 To say, you know, oh yeah, no, that's fine, hy on. 0:14:48.690 --> 0:14:53.570 Sugar, because she just stole the bag of jellying. But yes, no, 0:14:53.610 --> 0:14:56.370 I cannot pick you up. I'm not picking you up. No, 0:14:56.690 --> 0:15:02.050 I'm sorry. 0:15:04.210 --> 0:15:07.050 But not one of Rosa's ex sorority sisters can tell 0:15:07.050 --> 0:15:10.890 me why she'd been kicked out. Some say they don't remember, 0:15:11.170 --> 0:15:14.410 it was so long ago. Others say they never knew why. 0:15:15.370 --> 0:15:18.090 There were nearly one hundred women in Alpha Kai, but 0:15:18.210 --> 0:15:20.770 only a handful had been in the room when Rose 0:15:20.890 --> 0:15:24.010 was kicked out. One of these women was named Amber. 0:15:24.530 --> 0:15:27.410 When I phone her, she's busy but tells me to 0:15:27.410 --> 0:15:31.770 call back, So a few days later I do, Hey, Amber, 0:15:31.890 --> 0:15:35.610 this is Jonathan Goldstein. I think we spoke briefly some 0:15:35.650 --> 0:15:36.130 time ago. 0:15:38.170 --> 0:15:38.570 Hello. 0:15:39.730 --> 0:15:43.290 I call back, and Amber apologizes for our being disconnected, 0:15:43.730 --> 0:15:46.490 but when I ask her why Rose was kicked out again, 0:15:47.010 --> 0:15:52.850 the line goes dead. This is odd odter Still is 0:15:52.890 --> 0:15:56.010 a conversation with an Alpha Kai sister a year younger 0:15:56.010 --> 0:16:00.210 than Rose. She says she inherited all the disciplinary documents 0:16:00.250 --> 0:16:03.770 from Rose's year, but that one file was missing, the 0:16:03.850 --> 0:16:08.370 one detailing why Rose had been kicked out. Things were 0:16:08.410 --> 0:16:24.450 beginning to feel Kolludi. Hello, oh hey Rose, Hi. I 0:16:24.490 --> 0:16:27.290 call Rose to update her, but it seems she's already 0:16:27.330 --> 0:16:30.170 gotten wind of my doings. 0:16:29.850 --> 0:16:33.090 So I think you must have been reaching out to 0:16:33.210 --> 0:16:35.650 a bunch of different members of Alpha Kai. 0:16:36.330 --> 0:16:39.410 Word had started getting around on Facebook about some guy 0:16:39.570 --> 0:16:44.410 snooping around on Rose's behalf. Quickly, a consensus was reached 0:16:45.090 --> 0:16:46.490 shut this guy out. 0:16:49.370 --> 0:16:51.410 Just the way that some of the girls were replying 0:16:51.490 --> 0:16:54.170 in the thread, it just felt like twelve years hadn't 0:16:54.210 --> 0:16:55.610 even passed. 0:16:55.210 --> 0:16:56.330 And how do you mean? 0:16:57.330 --> 0:17:00.650 It was just like immediately this whole group dynamic took place, 0:17:00.650 --> 0:17:03.010 and all of a sudden, instead of people acting like 0:17:03.090 --> 0:17:06.330 mature adults who are in their thirties, it was this 0:17:06.369 --> 0:17:09.090 whole like mom mentality of this is sketchy, we shouldn't respond. 0:17:09.210 --> 0:17:11.169 And then everyone just started to follow in line and 0:17:11.210 --> 0:17:13.449 be like, yeah it was sketchy. Yeah, I'm not gonna 0:17:13.490 --> 0:17:15.369 call them. 0:17:15.209 --> 0:17:17.770 Yeah, Okay, we're gonna We're gonna have to go over 0:17:17.810 --> 0:17:18.330 their heads. 0:17:19.530 --> 0:17:32.449 How Alpha ky Omega Headquarters This is season. 0:17:33.449 --> 0:17:37.050 The Alpha Kai Omega National Headquarters is a large brick 0:17:37.090 --> 0:17:39.730 building at the end of a long tree lined cool 0:17:39.770 --> 0:17:44.369 de sac in Indianapolis, Indiana. It oversees all Alpha ky 0:17:44.449 --> 0:17:49.010 Omega sororities across the country. Anytime a sorority kicks someone out, 0:17:49.290 --> 0:17:53.169 it has to file a report with headquarters. I asked Susan, 0:17:53.250 --> 0:17:57.210 the receptionist, if there might be documents that explain Rose's termination. 0:17:57.889 --> 0:17:59.810 Okay, yes, I'm sure there are. 0:18:00.409 --> 0:18:03.449 Okay, great? And in your experience, is this something that 0:18:03.570 --> 0:18:07.570 comes up sometimes where people want to know why they 0:18:07.609 --> 0:18:09.530 might have been kicked out of a so or Is 0:18:09.570 --> 0:18:10.170 this unconnon? 0:18:10.330 --> 0:18:12.290 I would think most people would know why? 0:18:12.730 --> 0:18:14.369 Yeah, what happened in her case? This? 0:18:14.570 --> 0:18:15.090 This is a. 0:18:16.570 --> 0:18:18.489 Woman by the name of Rose Shapiro. 0:18:18.609 --> 0:18:21.570 And how do you spell her last name Shapiro? 0:18:21.649 --> 0:18:26.290 I think it's must be spelled s h A s 0:18:26.609 --> 0:18:34.450 H no s h A P s and Peter I 0:18:34.649 --> 0:18:46.169 R O H. 0:18:48.889 --> 0:18:49.889 Are you yeah? 0:18:50.129 --> 0:18:51.769 I did find her in here? 0:18:52.330 --> 0:18:52.530 Oh? 0:18:52.649 --> 0:18:54.050 Okay? 0:18:54.209 --> 0:18:54.489 Does it? 0:18:54.570 --> 0:18:58.330 Does it say anything with alongside her name? 0:19:00.810 --> 0:19:04.570 I'm just looking at a status So you're. 0:19:04.530 --> 0:19:07.250 So then there is some information alongside her name. 0:19:09.530 --> 0:19:13.969 I'm not gonna because I mean, I can't say anything 0:19:14.050 --> 0:19:18.609 about this. Remember, I wouldn't know her at all. And 0:19:19.970 --> 0:19:23.569 you know, and you're an outsider, you're not the member. 0:19:26.850 --> 0:19:30.409 Would if Rose Shapiro were to call you herself, would 0:19:30.449 --> 0:19:32.209 she be able to find out the information? 0:19:34.490 --> 0:19:35.929 I would think so sure. 0:19:37.209 --> 0:19:45.369 Mm hm, Well we'll just have to see. After the break, 0:19:45.689 --> 0:19:49.090 a couple of outsiders try to get some inside information. 0:20:05.490 --> 0:20:11.250 Hey, Rose, Yes, Hi, Hi, how's. 0:20:11.010 --> 0:20:14.449 It going good? You ready to get some answers? I 0:20:14.530 --> 0:20:17.649 tell Rose about my call with Susan the receptionist, and 0:20:17.730 --> 0:20:21.129 we hatch a plan for contacting headquarters. I think I'll 0:20:21.129 --> 0:20:23.729 call it and connect you and I'll just be quiet. 0:20:24.290 --> 0:20:26.570 All right, let's call. I'm ready. I'm ready for this. 0:20:27.730 --> 0:20:41.770 Okay, I'm gonna call right now, Alpha Kyle Mega Headquarters 0:20:41.850 --> 0:20:42.609 this season. 0:20:44.129 --> 0:20:46.530 Hi, Susan, my name is Rose. 0:20:46.810 --> 0:20:49.649 And lying on my stomach on the floor of the 0:20:49.730 --> 0:20:53.570 darkened studio, I finally feel like a real life popular 0:20:53.649 --> 0:20:57.250 girl as I play with the phone cord and silently 0:20:57.330 --> 0:21:00.850 nibble from a pan of brownies. Rose explains what happened. 0:21:01.169 --> 0:21:03.969 Was ejected from Alpha Kai. I was a member of 0:21:04.050 --> 0:21:06.209 Alpha ky Omega that Saya Sigma chapter. 0:21:07.010 --> 0:21:08.290 Okay, and what's your name? 0:21:08.810 --> 0:21:09.810 Rose Shapiro? 0:21:10.050 --> 0:21:13.889 Okay, all right, I'm gonna give you the Mendy tar water. 0:21:14.929 --> 0:21:18.290 Okay, before you transfer, I did have just one more 0:21:18.409 --> 0:21:21.609 question for you. Is there any way that you can 0:21:21.730 --> 0:21:25.290 just tell from a general perspective if I'm considered as 0:21:25.330 --> 0:21:27.850 a member in good standing or as a former member? 0:21:27.929 --> 0:21:29.009 Is there even is there anyone? 0:21:30.129 --> 0:21:30.290 Yeah? 0:21:30.330 --> 0:21:32.289 I think it's I think it says that you're not 0:21:32.330 --> 0:21:35.689 in good standing. I wish I could help you, but 0:21:35.889 --> 0:21:42.170 I don't know that obviously. Here Mendy is out this afternoon, 0:21:42.689 --> 0:21:45.010 but she's working tomorrow. Why don't we leave a message 0:21:45.010 --> 0:21:50.050 with Mendy. Sure, yeah, I think you should do that. 0:21:52.609 --> 0:21:55.930 Rose leaves a message with this Mendy tar Water. When 0:21:55.929 --> 0:21:58.609 she doesn't hear back. After a week, we call again. 0:21:59.530 --> 0:22:02.770 Over the next month, we keep calling with Rose leaving 0:22:02.889 --> 0:22:06.449 voicemails and me scraping weeks old brownie crust from the 0:22:06.490 --> 0:22:08.929 pan while listening in for emotionals. 0:22:10.010 --> 0:22:15.449 Okay, you're on Rose at the tone, Please record your message, Hei, Mandy, 0:22:15.609 --> 0:22:16.170 my name. 0:22:16.010 --> 0:22:18.810 Is Rose Susan. The receptionist passes her off to other 0:22:18.850 --> 0:22:21.290 people at headquarters. Someone named Gina. 0:22:21.850 --> 0:22:26.050 Let's try Gina. Hold on. Then someone named Eliza Eliza 0:22:26.129 --> 0:22:29.730 Paine is not available to take your call. Please leave 0:22:29.770 --> 0:22:31.970 a message after the tone. 0:22:32.889 --> 0:22:35.969 Hi Eliza, this is Rose Shapiro. Trying you again. 0:22:36.209 --> 0:22:39.609 One morning, we phone, only to discover that Susan, the receptionist, 0:22:40.050 --> 0:22:43.290 has been disappeared, possibly for saying too much. 0:22:43.490 --> 0:22:44.770 O Comega headquarters. 0:22:44.770 --> 0:22:46.450 This is Cynthia or. 0:22:46.490 --> 0:22:47.609