1 00:00:15,210 --> 00:00:21,489 Speaker 1: Pushkin Khila Holt. Welcome to the. 2 00:00:21,490 --> 00:00:26,410 Speaker 2: Studio, Jonathan Goldstein, Thank you for welcoming me to the studio. 3 00:00:27,370 --> 00:00:28,770 Speaker 1: Getting a little bit of sarcasm. 4 00:00:29,970 --> 00:00:32,330 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you for welcoming me. 5 00:00:34,610 --> 00:00:37,450 Speaker 1: Today, we're going to be listening to an episode that 6 00:00:37,489 --> 00:00:40,850 Speaker 1: originally ran Oh boy, like what seven years ago? 7 00:00:40,850 --> 00:00:42,050 Speaker 2: We're in twenty seventeen. 8 00:00:42,090 --> 00:00:46,170 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, so, oh my eight years ago. 9 00:00:46,489 --> 00:00:47,689 Speaker 2: It's a fan favorite. 10 00:00:48,450 --> 00:00:50,210 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's one of my favorites too. 11 00:00:50,569 --> 00:00:52,650 Speaker 2: There's something I still quote from it, which is I 12 00:00:52,730 --> 00:00:55,450 Speaker 2: think she explains in the episode when she says Pearl, 13 00:00:55,650 --> 00:00:57,690 Speaker 2: I still think of Pearl to this day. 14 00:00:57,890 --> 00:00:58,210 Speaker 3: Wow. 15 00:00:58,450 --> 00:01:00,050 Speaker 2: Rose has had an impact on me. 16 00:01:00,410 --> 00:01:02,650 Speaker 1: And I'm sure she's gonna have an impact on our listeners. 17 00:01:02,690 --> 00:01:03,450 Speaker 2: I'm sure she is. 18 00:01:03,850 --> 00:01:06,970 Speaker 1: Rose has an impact wherever she goes. And if you 19 00:01:07,010 --> 00:01:10,090 Speaker 1: stick around at the end of the episode, we're going 20 00:01:10,170 --> 00:01:13,209 Speaker 1: to catch up with present day Rose and see where 21 00:01:13,250 --> 00:01:15,330 Speaker 1: she is all these years later, what she's up to. 22 00:01:15,730 --> 00:01:20,050 Speaker 1: Enjoy everybody, But don't start licking your chops quite yet. 23 00:01:20,530 --> 00:01:23,890 Speaker 1: That's disgusting. Who wants to do about chops before you 24 00:01:23,930 --> 00:01:26,370 Speaker 1: start enjoying. We are going to start off with a 25 00:01:26,370 --> 00:01:27,450 Speaker 1: word from our sponsors. 26 00:01:34,210 --> 00:01:35,770 Speaker 4: Hey, how are you. 27 00:01:35,930 --> 00:01:38,970 Speaker 1: I noticed that we're not Facebook friends or not? 28 00:01:39,690 --> 00:01:42,650 Speaker 4: No? I think didn't you try to Facebook friend me? 29 00:01:42,890 --> 00:01:43,890 Speaker 5: I don't think I responded. 30 00:01:44,170 --> 00:01:46,810 Speaker 1: Do you know how embarrassing that is? You don't even 31 00:01:46,890 --> 00:01:47,330 Speaker 1: friend me? 32 00:01:47,730 --> 00:01:50,410 Speaker 3: Then we're better than Facebook friends, we're real life friends. 33 00:01:50,530 --> 00:01:53,170 Speaker 1: No, that's worse than Facebook friends because no one knows 34 00:01:53,170 --> 00:01:55,890 Speaker 1: we're friends. Let's go to the internet right now. Let's 35 00:01:55,890 --> 00:01:57,410 Speaker 1: friend each other at the exact same. 36 00:01:57,210 --> 00:01:59,650 Speaker 4: Time each other, because I have to go to work 37 00:01:59,690 --> 00:02:00,130 Speaker 4: right now. 38 00:02:00,370 --> 00:02:01,690 Speaker 1: Can't you take the computer with you. 39 00:02:01,770 --> 00:02:03,170 Speaker 4: I'm stepping out the door now and I have to 40 00:02:03,210 --> 00:02:04,290 Speaker 4: get on my bicycles. 41 00:02:04,850 --> 00:02:07,970 Speaker 1: Bounce on the handlebars, and then you could we could 42 00:02:08,010 --> 00:02:12,609 Speaker 1: we could facebook. Don't you think that's a good idea? If, like, 43 00:02:12,889 --> 00:02:15,570 Speaker 1: if we both friend each other at the same time? No, 44 00:02:16,450 --> 00:02:16,730 Speaker 1: why not? 45 00:02:16,930 --> 00:02:17,090 Speaker 4: One? 46 00:02:17,170 --> 00:02:24,370 Speaker 1: Two, three? And then we pressed the button? Ready hurtful 47 00:02:30,210 --> 00:02:34,609 Speaker 1: from Dimlet Media. I'm Jonathan Goldstein and this is Heavyweight. 48 00:02:35,250 --> 00:02:51,770 Speaker 1: Today's episode rose In nineteen sixty two, the Beatles had 49 00:02:51,810 --> 00:02:55,290 Speaker 1: their first number one hit, Love Me Do. A lesser 50 00:02:55,330 --> 00:02:58,410 Speaker 1: known fact is that just months earlier, the band kicked 51 00:02:58,450 --> 00:03:02,210 Speaker 1: out their original drummer, Pete Best. The Beatles had their 52 00:03:02,210 --> 00:03:05,770 Speaker 1: manager do the job. The lads just don't want you 53 00:03:05,850 --> 00:03:07,730 Speaker 1: in the band anymore, he said. 54 00:03:08,490 --> 00:03:08,610 Speaker 4: No. 55 00:03:08,690 --> 00:03:13,650 Speaker 1: Further explanation was given, but over the years different theories emerged. 56 00:03:14,090 --> 00:03:16,970 Speaker 1: Pete Best didn't have the right hair, Pete Best wasn't 57 00:03:16,970 --> 00:03:20,810 Speaker 1: funny or artsy enough, he didn't dress right. For a 58 00:03:20,810 --> 00:03:23,850 Speaker 1: long time afterwards, Pete Best wondered why his old friends 59 00:03:23,890 --> 00:03:27,770 Speaker 1: had kicked him out. But he got married, started a family. 60 00:03:28,210 --> 00:03:32,570 Speaker 1: Obla de oh bla da, life went on. That's what happens. 61 00:03:32,970 --> 00:03:37,290 Speaker 1: People get kicked out of bands, parties, jobs, and eventually 62 00:03:37,410 --> 00:03:41,330 Speaker 1: they stopped searching for the reason why most people do anyway. 63 00:03:42,530 --> 00:03:45,690 Speaker 4: So I moved into my college dorm when I was seventeen. 64 00:03:45,930 --> 00:03:48,570 Speaker 4: I was an incoming freshman in the fall of two 65 00:03:48,570 --> 00:03:49,210 Speaker 4: thousand and one. 66 00:03:49,970 --> 00:03:52,930 Speaker 1: This is Rose and the school she was entering was 67 00:03:52,930 --> 00:03:55,810 Speaker 1: the University of North Florida, and it's like. 68 00:03:55,730 --> 00:03:58,410 Speaker 4: A beachy community. I was like a cool surfer chick. 69 00:03:58,890 --> 00:04:01,530 Speaker 4: I dreve like an old Volvo that was covered in 70 00:04:01,570 --> 00:04:02,690 Speaker 4: like band stickers. 71 00:04:03,610 --> 00:04:06,410 Speaker 1: Rose was a rebel, And if all the teen movies 72 00:04:06,450 --> 00:04:09,010 Speaker 1: I'd watched during the mid eighties taught me anything about 73 00:04:09,130 --> 00:04:12,970 Speaker 1: campus life, it was that rebels don't mix with popular kids, 74 00:04:13,690 --> 00:04:16,929 Speaker 1: and at the University of North Florida. Nobody was more 75 00:04:16,969 --> 00:04:19,409 Speaker 1: popular than the sorority girls. 76 00:04:19,729 --> 00:04:22,330 Speaker 4: Well, you like walk through school and they're set up 77 00:04:22,330 --> 00:04:24,290 Speaker 4: there and they're like along the sidewalks and they're like, 78 00:04:24,330 --> 00:04:26,650 Speaker 4: are you interested in enjoying a sorority? And I would 79 00:04:26,729 --> 00:04:29,370 Speaker 4: just like blow by on my skateboard and be like no, 80 00:04:30,089 --> 00:04:32,129 Speaker 4: I didn't think that I'd ever be affiliated with it. 81 00:04:32,969 --> 00:04:35,050 Speaker 1: With with with sorority life. 82 00:04:35,330 --> 00:04:38,009 Speaker 4: Yeah, with Greek life, with the sororities and the fraternities 83 00:04:38,049 --> 00:04:39,969 Speaker 4: and like the cool kids and their pop callers, Like, 84 00:04:39,969 --> 00:04:47,809 Speaker 4: I didn't think that was for me. So the summer 85 00:04:47,890 --> 00:04:50,890 Speaker 4: after my freshman year, I meet this dude and I 86 00:04:50,969 --> 00:04:55,770 Speaker 4: start dating him, and he's in a fraternity and I'm 87 00:04:55,770 --> 00:04:58,170 Speaker 4: making friends with all these people in the Greek community 88 00:04:58,169 --> 00:05:01,010 Speaker 4: and I'm like, Oh, they're normal, they're not pretentious, they're 89 00:05:01,049 --> 00:05:04,370 Speaker 4: not weird. I started to dress like them, I started 90 00:05:04,409 --> 00:05:07,529 Speaker 4: to act like them, and I wanted to be accepted. 91 00:05:08,489 --> 00:05:12,890 Speaker 4: And the fall of my junior year, I rushed and 92 00:05:12,969 --> 00:05:15,049 Speaker 4: I got a bid from Alpha Kai and I joined. 93 00:05:18,770 --> 00:05:20,849 Speaker 1: Sorry, the name of the sorority. 94 00:05:21,010 --> 00:05:24,329 Speaker 4: Was, it's called Alpha chi Omega. 95 00:05:24,929 --> 00:05:27,890 Speaker 1: Alpha chi Omega. 96 00:05:27,130 --> 00:05:33,289 Speaker 4: And we were the Theta Sigma chapter Stata sigma chapter 97 00:05:33,409 --> 00:05:37,490 Speaker 4: theta with the thh. So it was the Theta sigma 98 00:05:37,570 --> 00:05:41,849 Speaker 4: chapter of Alpha ky Omega, and it was at unf sororities. 99 00:05:42,810 --> 00:05:45,210 Speaker 1: It was a new and exciting world with such a 100 00:05:45,289 --> 00:05:49,770 Speaker 1: rich history. It turns out that Condoleeza, Rice Enron Whistleblow, 101 00:05:49,849 --> 00:05:53,450 Speaker 1: or Sharon Watkins and Don Wells, who played Marianne on 102 00:05:53,489 --> 00:05:57,010 Speaker 1: Gilligan's Island, were all members of Alpha Kai and had 103 00:05:57,049 --> 00:06:00,969 Speaker 1: taken secret oaths to remain sisters for life. I listened 104 00:06:00,969 --> 00:06:03,969 Speaker 1: avidly as Rose explains what it means to be a 105 00:06:04,010 --> 00:06:07,650 Speaker 1: part of Alpha chi Omega Theta sigma chapter. 106 00:06:07,890 --> 00:06:11,089 Speaker 4: We are classy ladies, We are sophisticated, We wear pearls, 107 00:06:11,130 --> 00:06:12,130 Speaker 4: we know our manners. 108 00:06:12,250 --> 00:06:15,529 Speaker 1: You know, like that, did they use the word classy. 109 00:06:15,369 --> 00:06:16,369 Speaker 4: You're not being classy? 110 00:06:16,489 --> 00:06:16,729 Speaker 2: Yeah? 111 00:06:16,729 --> 00:06:20,210 Speaker 4: Absolutely. And they had like all these weird acronyms, like 112 00:06:20,489 --> 00:06:22,289 Speaker 4: if someone came up to you and whispered in your 113 00:06:22,330 --> 00:06:26,690 Speaker 4: ear pearl, it was like the acronym for pearl, pearl, 114 00:06:27,450 --> 00:06:29,650 Speaker 4: please engage in acts resembling a lady. 115 00:06:31,130 --> 00:06:33,730 Speaker 1: So if someone says pearl in your that would mean 116 00:06:33,770 --> 00:06:34,690 Speaker 1: you would begin. 117 00:06:34,529 --> 00:06:36,810 Speaker 4: To It would mean like, let's say I'm doing a 118 00:06:36,890 --> 00:06:39,489 Speaker 4: keg stand at a party and another sister is there. 119 00:06:39,650 --> 00:06:42,929 Speaker 4: Instead of being like, young lady, get down, write this instant, 120 00:06:42,969 --> 00:06:46,210 Speaker 4: because that's causing a scene. Now you're causing attention. Instead, 121 00:06:46,330 --> 00:06:48,409 Speaker 4: she's supposed to tap me on the shoulder and whisper 122 00:06:48,450 --> 00:06:51,650 Speaker 4: in my ear pearl, and then I'm supposed to be like, oh, 123 00:06:51,690 --> 00:06:53,210 Speaker 4: you're right, thank you for reminding me. 124 00:06:58,289 --> 00:07:01,890 Speaker 1: Rose took on new hobbies, scrap booking with her sorority sisters, 125 00:07:02,210 --> 00:07:05,650 Speaker 1: building floats for the homecoming parade, and dressing head to 126 00:07:05,650 --> 00:07:09,089 Speaker 1: toe in scarlet red and olive green the Alpha Kaya 127 00:07:09,089 --> 00:07:12,689 Speaker 1: Omega colors. And while she'd never seen herself being cut 128 00:07:12,730 --> 00:07:15,809 Speaker 1: out for all of this sorority stuff, the crazy thing 129 00:07:16,010 --> 00:07:19,490 Speaker 1: was it actually made her really happy. 130 00:07:19,570 --> 00:07:22,610 Speaker 4: I was a gong ho, like I'm a participator. I 131 00:07:22,650 --> 00:07:25,930 Speaker 4: got really into it and just walking around school now 132 00:07:25,970 --> 00:07:28,489 Speaker 4: all of a sudden, like you know everybody, and everybody 133 00:07:28,530 --> 00:07:31,770 Speaker 4: knows you, and now you're in on the inside jokes, 134 00:07:32,090 --> 00:07:34,210 Speaker 4: like I felt like I belonged, Like I went from 135 00:07:34,250 --> 00:07:38,810 Speaker 4: being like a disgruntled outsider to being like the bubbly participant. 136 00:07:43,090 --> 00:07:46,730 Speaker 1: Rose and her sorority sisters did everything together, beach trips, 137 00:07:46,970 --> 00:07:50,689 Speaker 1: watching The Bachelor. One weekend, they all ran a campus 138 00:07:50,770 --> 00:07:54,770 Speaker 1: charity race together, but afterwards something felt a miss. 139 00:07:56,010 --> 00:07:58,770 Speaker 4: And I remember thinking like, man, I feel really tired 140 00:07:58,810 --> 00:08:01,130 Speaker 4: after that five K and I'm having a lot of 141 00:08:01,170 --> 00:08:03,809 Speaker 4: trouble sleeping and I keep sweating through my sheets at night. 142 00:08:04,450 --> 00:08:07,410 Speaker 1: Rose also noticed that her neck was swollen. She was 143 00:08:07,410 --> 00:08:10,970 Speaker 1: feeling achy and fatigued. After a few weeks, she went 144 00:08:11,010 --> 00:08:12,090 Speaker 1: to see a doctor. 145 00:08:12,489 --> 00:08:14,650 Speaker 4: And I said, could you take a look at my neck, like, 146 00:08:14,690 --> 00:08:17,690 Speaker 4: I don't think something's right. And the nurse practitioner who 147 00:08:17,730 --> 00:08:19,290 Speaker 4: was treating me that day just like looked at me 148 00:08:19,330 --> 00:08:21,050 Speaker 4: in horror and was like, you have to go to 149 00:08:21,130 --> 00:08:24,290 Speaker 4: radiation right now. And I was like, I have to 150 00:08:24,290 --> 00:08:27,210 Speaker 4: make an appointment, and she was like, no, I'm calling 151 00:08:27,250 --> 00:08:29,050 Speaker 4: the second floor and you're gonna go get a CT 152 00:08:29,170 --> 00:08:33,490 Speaker 4: scan right now. So it was crazy. They called it 153 00:08:33,570 --> 00:08:38,570 Speaker 4: nodular sclerosing Hodgkins lymphoma. I had huge, pronounced lymph notes 154 00:08:38,610 --> 00:08:40,370 Speaker 4: all over my body. You could take one look at 155 00:08:40,370 --> 00:08:41,970 Speaker 4: me and it looked like my neck and chest were 156 00:08:42,010 --> 00:08:45,010 Speaker 4: just full of golf balls, like something was wrong. By 157 00:08:45,010 --> 00:08:47,250 Speaker 4: the time we started testing and staging, I mean I 158 00:08:47,290 --> 00:08:50,690 Speaker 4: was a stage three. This is like big cake cancer, 159 00:08:50,850 --> 00:08:53,290 Speaker 4: This is like shave your head, Rose, like you've got 160 00:08:53,290 --> 00:08:56,850 Speaker 4: real cancer. So I think around May I started chemo. 161 00:08:57,930 --> 00:09:00,810 Speaker 1: Rose dropped out of her classes and quit her extracurriculars. 162 00:09:01,090 --> 00:09:04,770 Speaker 1: Her days filled up with doctor's appointments and chemotherapy. The 163 00:09:04,810 --> 00:09:07,530 Speaker 1: one bright note throughout was the support she got from 164 00:09:07,530 --> 00:09:11,010 Speaker 1: her sorority sisters. They took her to concerts in Jacksonville 165 00:09:11,090 --> 00:09:14,210 Speaker 1: Jaguar football games, they sold hot pink ribbons in the 166 00:09:14,250 --> 00:09:18,690 Speaker 1: quad and raised thousands of dollars for Rose's treatment. Alpha 167 00:09:18,770 --> 00:09:21,930 Speaker 1: Kai took care of Rose, and Rose was dedicated to 168 00:09:21,970 --> 00:09:25,210 Speaker 1: Alpha Kai. She was on the executive board in charge 169 00:09:25,250 --> 00:09:28,930 Speaker 1: of recruiting new members, and even through her cancer, she 170 00:09:29,050 --> 00:09:30,130 Speaker 1: kept up with her work. 171 00:09:31,050 --> 00:09:33,370 Speaker 4: And new girls are coming through and they have to 172 00:09:33,370 --> 00:09:36,850 Speaker 4: decide which sorority they want to join. And now Alpha 173 00:09:36,930 --> 00:09:39,210 Speaker 4: Kai has like one hell of a tale to tell. 174 00:09:40,010 --> 00:09:42,690 Speaker 4: Now we're not just a regular sorority. We're the sorority 175 00:09:42,690 --> 00:09:44,730 Speaker 4: with the cancer girl, and we're saving her life. 176 00:09:45,530 --> 00:09:47,610 Speaker 1: And that was something that they led with. That was 177 00:09:47,650 --> 00:09:49,610 Speaker 1: actually something that was made explicit. 178 00:09:50,290 --> 00:09:52,410 Speaker 4: Oh, I got up there with my bald head and 179 00:09:52,450 --> 00:09:54,610 Speaker 4: gave a speech and cried every time about how my 180 00:09:54,650 --> 00:09:57,290 Speaker 4: sisters were saving my life. 181 00:09:57,610 --> 00:10:00,890 Speaker 1: Rose was lucky by the spring of her senior year, 182 00:10:01,090 --> 00:10:03,770 Speaker 1: her cancer went into remission for the first time in 183 00:10:03,810 --> 00:10:06,530 Speaker 1: more than a year. She felt like a normal college kid. 184 00:10:07,450 --> 00:10:09,810 Speaker 4: I just had a lot of fun that sematter. My 185 00:10:09,850 --> 00:10:11,970 Speaker 4: hair's starting to grow back, I'm starting to get my 186 00:10:12,130 --> 00:10:14,290 Speaker 4: energy back. I'm starting to feel like a normal person. 187 00:10:14,370 --> 00:10:16,610 Speaker 4: And like, now I'm not just going to a party 188 00:10:16,650 --> 00:10:18,370 Speaker 4: to like, you know, make sure I'm getting out of 189 00:10:18,370 --> 00:10:20,530 Speaker 4: the house, like now I want to party, Like now 190 00:10:20,570 --> 00:10:23,410 Speaker 4: I want to have fun. So I did. I felt 191 00:10:23,450 --> 00:10:24,290 Speaker 4: like I deserved it. 192 00:10:25,130 --> 00:10:27,970 Speaker 1: Then one night, after being cancer free for five months, 193 00:10:28,370 --> 00:10:31,250 Speaker 1: Rose went to Alpha Kai's weekly meeting, which met in 194 00:10:31,290 --> 00:10:33,170 Speaker 1: an old auditorium on campus. 195 00:10:33,690 --> 00:10:36,570 Speaker 4: And I come to the meeting and they're like, hey, Rose, 196 00:10:36,570 --> 00:10:38,410 Speaker 4: can you stay after We need to talk to you. 197 00:10:39,130 --> 00:10:41,370 Speaker 4: So they clear everybody out and now it's just like 198 00:10:41,490 --> 00:10:46,810 Speaker 4: five or six women and me, and they're like all right, Rose, 199 00:10:46,810 --> 00:10:49,890 Speaker 4: Like this is gonna be tough. We're gonna have to 200 00:10:49,930 --> 00:10:56,650 Speaker 4: ask you to resign. And I was like, excuse me, Yeah, 201 00:10:56,650 --> 00:10:58,410 Speaker 4: we're gonna have to ask you to resign. And I 202 00:10:58,490 --> 00:11:02,650 Speaker 4: thought they meant from my position, my officer position. I'm like, 203 00:11:02,730 --> 00:11:06,410 Speaker 4: you're asking me to step down as VP recruitment, Like 204 00:11:06,450 --> 00:11:08,810 Speaker 4: the new girls love me. I'm great with the new girls. 205 00:11:08,810 --> 00:11:12,970 Speaker 4: Why I've got this marketing on lock And they're like, oh, no, no, no, 206 00:11:13,090 --> 00:11:17,970 Speaker 4: we want you to resign from the organization. We want 207 00:11:18,010 --> 00:11:23,530 Speaker 4: you to resign from Alpha Kai and I lost it. 208 00:11:23,530 --> 00:11:25,730 Speaker 4: It's like you know that feeling when someone's breaking up 209 00:11:25,730 --> 00:11:27,570 Speaker 4: with you, and like you get that cold feeling in 210 00:11:27,610 --> 00:11:29,570 Speaker 4: your chest and you know that someone's about to look 211 00:11:29,570 --> 00:11:31,170 Speaker 4: at you and say, like this isn't working. 212 00:11:31,850 --> 00:11:32,610 Speaker 1: Yeah. 213 00:11:32,650 --> 00:11:35,050 Speaker 4: It was like that times one hundred, Like now a 214 00:11:35,170 --> 00:11:37,290 Speaker 4: hundred of my friends were all breaking up with me 215 00:11:37,450 --> 00:11:40,450 Speaker 4: in a very methodical way, and I didn't see it coming, 216 00:11:45,810 --> 00:11:48,450 Speaker 4: and I just kept saying, why, what do you mean 217 00:11:48,490 --> 00:11:51,290 Speaker 4: you want me out? And this is when they just 218 00:11:51,970 --> 00:11:54,210 Speaker 4: all of a sudden, it was like these women I'd 219 00:11:54,250 --> 00:11:57,610 Speaker 4: known for years, they were strangers and there was no compassion, 220 00:11:57,690 --> 00:12:00,490 Speaker 4: there was no kindness. It was you know what you did, Rose, 221 00:12:01,130 --> 00:12:09,450 Speaker 4: you know what you did? And I was like, no, no, 222 00:12:10,490 --> 00:12:12,570 Speaker 4: you have to tell me what did I do? Did 223 00:12:12,650 --> 00:12:15,690 Speaker 4: something bad happen? Rose? We're not getting into it. You 224 00:12:15,770 --> 00:12:20,810 Speaker 4: know what you did? And I'm just like, no, no, 225 00:12:20,890 --> 00:12:22,690 Speaker 4: I don't know what I did. And at this point 226 00:12:22,730 --> 00:12:26,890 Speaker 4: I am so distraught. I think I'm like hyperventilating and crying. 227 00:12:26,890 --> 00:12:29,130 Speaker 4: I think I'm ugly crying. I think like snaw is 228 00:12:29,210 --> 00:12:32,210 Speaker 4: just bubbling out of my nose and I don't have 229 00:12:32,290 --> 00:12:35,929 Speaker 4: the wherewithal to demand answers. And I'm like, so that's it, 230 00:12:36,290 --> 00:12:39,450 Speaker 4: We're done here. You want me out? And they're like, yeah, 231 00:12:39,490 --> 00:12:42,530 Speaker 4: as of tonight, you are no longer affiliated with Alpha Kyomega. 232 00:12:49,970 --> 00:12:52,690 Speaker 1: She was getting straight a's, she was on the student council, 233 00:12:52,890 --> 00:12:56,570 Speaker 1: She never done anything illegal, but Rose was out and 234 00:12:56,610 --> 00:12:57,730 Speaker 1: no one would tell her why. 235 00:12:58,410 --> 00:12:59,730 Speaker 4: No one has ever told me? 236 00:12:59,970 --> 00:13:01,850 Speaker 1: And did you ever pursue it further? 237 00:13:02,090 --> 00:13:06,090 Speaker 4: God, yes, for years? Like, hey guys, it's been five 238 00:13:06,170 --> 00:13:08,610 Speaker 4: years since we graduated college. I know this is kind 239 00:13:08,650 --> 00:13:10,770 Speaker 4: of weird, but I still think about it. Does anyone 240 00:13:10,770 --> 00:13:12,890 Speaker 4: want to tell me? I've like done the thing on 241 00:13:12,930 --> 00:13:15,530 Speaker 4: Facebook where I've like made the big Facebook post where 242 00:13:15,570 --> 00:13:17,570 Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, does everyone remember when Rose got 243 00:13:17,610 --> 00:13:19,890 Speaker 4: kicked out Alpha Kai, Like if you or anyone you 244 00:13:19,970 --> 00:13:23,170 Speaker 4: know has any information, like I'm still dying to know. 245 00:13:23,930 --> 00:13:25,570 Speaker 4: And then like dozens of my friends are like, oh, 246 00:13:25,610 --> 00:13:27,130 Speaker 4: I'm following this post. What was it? 247 00:13:27,170 --> 00:13:27,490 Speaker 1: What was it? 248 00:13:27,610 --> 00:13:31,050 Speaker 4: And still to this day, no answers and like you're 249 00:13:31,090 --> 00:13:32,690 Speaker 4: racking your brain. I'm like, did I get black out 250 00:13:32,730 --> 00:13:34,250 Speaker 4: drunk and sleep with someone's boyfriend? 251 00:13:35,650 --> 00:13:38,410 Speaker 1: Did you ever see any other of the sisters get 252 00:13:38,450 --> 00:13:38,930 Speaker 1: kicked out? 253 00:13:39,530 --> 00:13:40,570 Speaker 3: No? No? 254 00:13:40,770 --> 00:13:43,810 Speaker 4: And that's the thing is like, okay, let's not mince 255 00:13:43,850 --> 00:13:46,890 Speaker 4: words here, like was Rosea party girl? Yes? Were there 256 00:13:46,930 --> 00:13:48,290 Speaker 4: girls who were way worse than me? 257 00:13:48,730 --> 00:13:49,370 Speaker 1: Absolutely? 258 00:13:49,450 --> 00:13:50,530 Speaker 4: And did they get kicked out? 259 00:13:50,890 --> 00:13:51,130 Speaker 6: Never? 260 00:13:52,090 --> 00:13:54,970 Speaker 1: Does Rose refer to herself in the third person? Yes? 261 00:13:55,250 --> 00:13:58,930 Speaker 1: Does you present the puzzling riddle? Absolutely? And with Jonathan 262 00:13:59,010 --> 00:14:06,250 Speaker 1: quit before solving it. Never. Rose's college memories have all 263 00:14:06,290 --> 00:14:09,610 Speaker 1: been tainted by that one day twelve years ago, But 264 00:14:09,650 --> 00:14:13,050 Speaker 1: her ex sorority sisters are now adult women in their thirties. 265 00:14:13,530 --> 00:14:18,610 Speaker 1: They had to be past the college drama. So after 266 00:14:18,730 --> 00:14:21,090 Speaker 1: Rose and I part I begin reaching out to them 267 00:14:21,210 --> 00:14:27,810 Speaker 1: for their help. Hey, Amanda, this is Jonathan Goldstein. I've 268 00:14:27,810 --> 00:14:29,770 Speaker 1: been trying to get in touch Anita. I was trying 269 00:14:29,770 --> 00:14:33,410 Speaker 1: to reach you there. Zoe, this is Jonathan Goldstein. We'll 270 00:14:33,450 --> 00:14:35,930 Speaker 1: speak soon, Claire. I phone them in their cars. 271 00:14:36,290 --> 00:14:37,810 Speaker 4: Hi, Hey, I want to say I've got my daughter 272 00:14:37,850 --> 00:14:38,930 Speaker 4: walking into ballet class. 273 00:14:39,850 --> 00:14:42,410 Speaker 1: Short. No, of course, I phone them in their homes. 274 00:14:42,610 --> 00:14:44,130 Speaker 1: Do you have a minute to speak. 275 00:14:44,370 --> 00:14:46,370 Speaker 4: I do, I have a toddler. 276 00:14:46,010 --> 00:14:48,570 Speaker 1: To say, you know, oh yeah, no, that's fine, hy on. 277 00:14:48,690 --> 00:14:53,570 Speaker 4: Sugar, because she just stole the bag of jellying. But yes, no, 278 00:14:53,610 --> 00:14:56,370 Speaker 4: I cannot pick you up. I'm not picking you up. No, 279 00:14:56,690 --> 00:15:02,050 Speaker 4: I'm sorry. 280 00:15:04,210 --> 00:15:07,050 Speaker 1: But not one of Rosa's ex sorority sisters can tell 281 00:15:07,050 --> 00:15:10,890 Speaker 1: me why she'd been kicked out. Some say they don't remember, 282 00:15:11,170 --> 00:15:14,410 Speaker 1: it was so long ago. Others say they never knew why. 283 00:15:15,370 --> 00:15:18,090 Speaker 1: There were nearly one hundred women in Alpha Kai, but 284 00:15:18,210 --> 00:15:20,770 Speaker 1: only a handful had been in the room when Rose 285 00:15:20,890 --> 00:15:24,010 Speaker 1: was kicked out. One of these women was named Amber. 286 00:15:24,530 --> 00:15:27,410 Speaker 1: When I phone her, she's busy but tells me to 287 00:15:27,410 --> 00:15:31,770 Speaker 1: call back, So a few days later I do, Hey, Amber, 288 00:15:31,890 --> 00:15:35,610 Speaker 1: this is Jonathan Goldstein. I think we spoke briefly some 289 00:15:35,650 --> 00:15:36,130 Speaker 1: time ago. 290 00:15:38,170 --> 00:15:38,570 Speaker 4: Hello. 291 00:15:39,730 --> 00:15:43,290 Speaker 1: I call back, and Amber apologizes for our being disconnected, 292 00:15:43,730 --> 00:15:46,490 Speaker 1: but when I ask her why Rose was kicked out again, 293 00:15:47,010 --> 00:15:52,850 Speaker 1: the line goes dead. This is odd odter Still is 294 00:15:52,890 --> 00:15:56,010 Speaker 1: a conversation with an Alpha Kai sister a year younger 295 00:15:56,010 --> 00:16:00,210 Speaker 1: than Rose. She says she inherited all the disciplinary documents 296 00:16:00,250 --> 00:16:03,770 Speaker 1: from Rose's year, but that one file was missing, the 297 00:16:03,850 --> 00:16:08,370 Speaker 1: one detailing why Rose had been kicked out. Things were 298 00:16:08,410 --> 00:16:24,450 Speaker 1: beginning to feel Kolludi. Hello, oh hey Rose, Hi. I 299 00:16:24,490 --> 00:16:27,290 Speaker 1: call Rose to update her, but it seems she's already 300 00:16:27,330 --> 00:16:30,170 Speaker 1: gotten wind of my doings. 301 00:16:29,850 --> 00:16:33,090 Speaker 4: So I think you must have been reaching out to 302 00:16:33,210 --> 00:16:35,650 Speaker 4: a bunch of different members of Alpha Kai. 303 00:16:36,330 --> 00:16:39,410 Speaker 1: Word had started getting around on Facebook about some guy 304 00:16:39,570 --> 00:16:44,410 Speaker 1: snooping around on Rose's behalf. Quickly, a consensus was reached 305 00:16:45,090 --> 00:16:46,490 Speaker 1: shut this guy out. 306 00:16:49,370 --> 00:16:51,410 Speaker 4: Just the way that some of the girls were replying 307 00:16:51,490 --> 00:16:54,170 Speaker 4: in the thread, it just felt like twelve years hadn't 308 00:16:54,210 --> 00:16:55,610 Speaker 4: even passed. 309 00:16:55,210 --> 00:16:56,330 Speaker 1: And how do you mean? 310 00:16:57,330 --> 00:17:00,650 Speaker 4: It was just like immediately this whole group dynamic took place, 311 00:17:00,650 --> 00:17:03,010 Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, instead of people acting like 312 00:17:03,090 --> 00:17:06,330 Speaker 4: mature adults who are in their thirties, it was this 313 00:17:06,369 --> 00:17:09,090 Speaker 4: whole like mom mentality of this is sketchy, we shouldn't respond. 314 00:17:09,210 --> 00:17:11,169 Speaker 4: And then everyone just started to follow in line and 315 00:17:11,210 --> 00:17:13,449 Speaker 4: be like, yeah it was sketchy. Yeah, I'm not gonna 316 00:17:13,490 --> 00:17:15,369 Speaker 4: call them. 317 00:17:15,209 --> 00:17:17,770 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, we're gonna We're gonna have to go over 318 00:17:17,810 --> 00:17:18,330 Speaker 1: their heads. 319 00:17:19,530 --> 00:17:32,449 Speaker 3: How Alpha ky Omega Headquarters This is season. 320 00:17:33,449 --> 00:17:37,050 Speaker 1: The Alpha Kai Omega National Headquarters is a large brick 321 00:17:37,090 --> 00:17:39,730 Speaker 1: building at the end of a long tree lined cool 322 00:17:39,770 --> 00:17:44,369 Speaker 1: de sac in Indianapolis, Indiana. It oversees all Alpha ky 323 00:17:44,449 --> 00:17:49,010 Speaker 1: Omega sororities across the country. Anytime a sorority kicks someone out, 324 00:17:49,290 --> 00:17:53,169 Speaker 1: it has to file a report with headquarters. I asked Susan, 325 00:17:53,250 --> 00:17:57,210 Speaker 1: the receptionist, if there might be documents that explain Rose's termination. 326 00:17:57,889 --> 00:17:59,810 Speaker 3: Okay, yes, I'm sure there are. 327 00:18:00,409 --> 00:18:03,449 Speaker 1: Okay, great? And in your experience, is this something that 328 00:18:03,570 --> 00:18:07,570 Speaker 1: comes up sometimes where people want to know why they 329 00:18:07,609 --> 00:18:09,530 Speaker 1: might have been kicked out of a so or Is 330 00:18:09,570 --> 00:18:10,170 Speaker 1: this unconnon? 331 00:18:10,330 --> 00:18:12,290 Speaker 3: I would think most people would know why? 332 00:18:12,730 --> 00:18:14,369 Speaker 1: Yeah, what happened in her case? This? 333 00:18:14,570 --> 00:18:15,090 Speaker 4: This is a. 334 00:18:16,570 --> 00:18:18,489 Speaker 1: Woman by the name of Rose Shapiro. 335 00:18:18,609 --> 00:18:21,570 Speaker 3: And how do you spell her last name Shapiro? 336 00:18:21,649 --> 00:18:26,290 Speaker 1: I think it's must be spelled s h A s 337 00:18:26,609 --> 00:18:34,450 Speaker 1: H no s h A P s and Peter I 338 00:18:34,649 --> 00:18:46,169 Speaker 1: R O H. 339 00:18:48,889 --> 00:18:49,889 Speaker 5: Are you yeah? 340 00:18:50,129 --> 00:18:51,769 Speaker 3: I did find her in here? 341 00:18:52,330 --> 00:18:52,530 Speaker 4: Oh? 342 00:18:52,649 --> 00:18:54,050 Speaker 1: Okay? 343 00:18:54,209 --> 00:18:54,489 Speaker 4: Does it? 344 00:18:54,570 --> 00:18:58,330 Speaker 1: Does it say anything with alongside her name? 345 00:19:00,810 --> 00:19:04,570 Speaker 3: I'm just looking at a status So you're. 346 00:19:04,530 --> 00:19:07,250 Speaker 1: So then there is some information alongside her name. 347 00:19:09,530 --> 00:19:13,969 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna because I mean, I can't say anything 348 00:19:14,050 --> 00:19:18,609 Speaker 3: about this. Remember, I wouldn't know her at all. And 349 00:19:19,970 --> 00:19:23,569 Speaker 3: you know, and you're an outsider, you're not the member. 350 00:19:26,850 --> 00:19:30,409 Speaker 1: Would if Rose Shapiro were to call you herself, would 351 00:19:30,449 --> 00:19:32,209 Speaker 1: she be able to find out the information? 352 00:19:34,490 --> 00:19:35,929 Speaker 3: I would think so sure. 353 00:19:37,209 --> 00:19:45,369 Speaker 1: Mm hm, Well we'll just have to see. After the break, 354 00:19:45,689 --> 00:19:49,090 Speaker 1: a couple of outsiders try to get some inside information. 355 00:20:05,490 --> 00:20:11,250 Speaker 3: Hey, Rose, Yes, Hi, Hi, how's. 356 00:20:11,010 --> 00:20:14,449 Speaker 1: It going good? You ready to get some answers? I 357 00:20:14,530 --> 00:20:17,649 Speaker 1: tell Rose about my call with Susan the receptionist, and 358 00:20:17,730 --> 00:20:21,129 Speaker 1: we hatch a plan for contacting headquarters. I think I'll 359 00:20:21,129 --> 00:20:23,729 Speaker 1: call it and connect you and I'll just be quiet. 360 00:20:24,290 --> 00:20:26,570 Speaker 4: All right, let's call. I'm ready. I'm ready for this. 361 00:20:27,730 --> 00:20:41,770 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna call right now, Alpha Kyle Mega Headquarters 362 00:20:41,850 --> 00:20:42,609 Speaker 3: this season. 363 00:20:44,129 --> 00:20:46,530 Speaker 4: Hi, Susan, my name is Rose. 364 00:20:46,810 --> 00:20:49,649 Speaker 1: And lying on my stomach on the floor of the 365 00:20:49,730 --> 00:20:53,570 Speaker 1: darkened studio, I finally feel like a real life popular 366 00:20:53,649 --> 00:20:57,250 Speaker 1: girl as I play with the phone cord and silently 367 00:20:57,330 --> 00:21:00,850 Speaker 1: nibble from a pan of brownies. Rose explains what happened. 368 00:21:01,169 --> 00:21:03,969 Speaker 4: Was ejected from Alpha Kai. I was a member of 369 00:21:04,050 --> 00:21:06,209 Speaker 4: Alpha ky Omega that Saya Sigma chapter. 370 00:21:07,010 --> 00:21:08,290 Speaker 3: Okay, and what's your name? 371 00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:09,810 Speaker 4: Rose Shapiro? 372 00:21:10,050 --> 00:21:13,889 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I'm gonna give you the Mendy tar water. 373 00:21:14,929 --> 00:21:18,290 Speaker 4: Okay, before you transfer, I did have just one more 374 00:21:18,409 --> 00:21:21,609 Speaker 4: question for you. Is there any way that you can 375 00:21:21,730 --> 00:21:25,290 Speaker 4: just tell from a general perspective if I'm considered as 376 00:21:25,330 --> 00:21:27,850 Speaker 4: a member in good standing or as a former member? 377 00:21:27,929 --> 00:21:29,009 Speaker 4: Is there even is there anyone? 378 00:21:30,129 --> 00:21:30,290 Speaker 5: Yeah? 379 00:21:30,330 --> 00:21:32,289 Speaker 3: I think it's I think it says that you're not 380 00:21:32,330 --> 00:21:35,689 Speaker 3: in good standing. I wish I could help you, but 381 00:21:35,889 --> 00:21:42,170 Speaker 3: I don't know that obviously. Here Mendy is out this afternoon, 382 00:21:42,689 --> 00:21:45,010 Speaker 3: but she's working tomorrow. Why don't we leave a message 383 00:21:45,010 --> 00:21:50,050 Speaker 3: with Mendy. Sure, yeah, I think you should do that. 384 00:21:52,609 --> 00:21:55,930 Speaker 1: Rose leaves a message with this Mendy tar Water. When 385 00:21:55,929 --> 00:21:58,609 Speaker 1: she doesn't hear back. After a week, we call again. 386 00:21:59,530 --> 00:22:02,770 Speaker 1: Over the next month, we keep calling with Rose leaving 387 00:22:02,889 --> 00:22:06,449 Speaker 1: voicemails and me scraping weeks old brownie crust from the 388 00:22:06,490 --> 00:22:08,929 Speaker 1: pan while listening in for emotionals. 389 00:22:10,010 --> 00:22:15,449 Speaker 3: Okay, you're on Rose at the tone, Please record your message, Hei, Mandy, 390 00:22:15,609 --> 00:22:16,170 Speaker 3: my name. 391 00:22:16,010 --> 00:22:18,810 Speaker 1: Is Rose Susan. The receptionist passes her off to other 392 00:22:18,850 --> 00:22:21,290 Speaker 1: people at headquarters. Someone named Gina. 393 00:22:21,850 --> 00:22:26,050 Speaker 3: Let's try Gina. Hold on. Then someone named Eliza Eliza 394 00:22:26,129 --> 00:22:29,730 Speaker 3: Paine is not available to take your call. Please leave 395 00:22:29,770 --> 00:22:31,970 Speaker 3: a message after the tone. 396 00:22:32,889 --> 00:22:35,969 Speaker 4: Hi Eliza, this is Rose Shapiro. Trying you again. 397 00:22:36,209 --> 00:22:39,609 Speaker 1: One morning, we phone, only to discover that Susan, the receptionist, 398 00:22:40,050 --> 00:22:43,290 Speaker 1: has been disappeared, possibly for saying too much. 399 00:22:43,490 --> 00:22:44,770 Speaker 3: O Comega headquarters. 400 00:22:44,770 --> 00:22:46,450 Speaker 4: This is Cynthia or. 401 00:22:46,490 --> 00:22:47,609 Speaker 1: Susan had the day off. 402 00:22:48,090 --> 00:22:50,850 Speaker 4: Hi Cynthia. My name is Rose Shapiro and I'm a 403 00:22:50,889 --> 00:22:51,489 Speaker 4: former member. 404 00:22:51,689 --> 00:22:55,290 Speaker 1: Cynthia. She sent Rose right back to Mendy Tarwater. 405 00:22:56,609 --> 00:22:59,569 Speaker 4: Hi, Miny, this is Rose Shapiro. I'm the member. 406 00:22:59,770 --> 00:23:02,850 Speaker 1: In the end, after months of phone calls, Rose finally 407 00:23:02,929 --> 00:23:06,729 Speaker 1: hears back from Alpha coy Omega headquarters. They pass along 408 00:23:06,929 --> 00:23:10,690 Speaker 1: a single document, a letter did April twenty first, two 409 00:23:10,770 --> 00:23:14,810 Speaker 1: thousand and five. The letter is brief, plainly stating that 410 00:23:14,929 --> 00:23:19,090 Speaker 1: Rose Shapiro resigned from Alpha Kyomega of her own accord. 411 00:23:19,810 --> 00:23:24,090 Speaker 1: They have no other information to share. We know now 412 00:23:24,209 --> 00:23:28,450 Speaker 1: definitely that the only way that we're going to get 413 00:23:28,490 --> 00:23:32,889 Speaker 1: anywhere with this is actually by finding a sorority girl 414 00:23:33,449 --> 00:23:35,850 Speaker 1: who was there and willing to talk. 415 00:23:37,850 --> 00:23:39,409 Speaker 4: Ah. 416 00:23:39,850 --> 00:23:43,009 Speaker 1: Rose's confidence in me was waning. While she used to 417 00:23:43,090 --> 00:23:46,090 Speaker 1: drop everything for one of my updates, now she was 418 00:23:46,090 --> 00:23:50,850 Speaker 1: sounding bored and distracted. What are you doing right now? 419 00:23:51,050 --> 00:23:54,249 Speaker 4: I'm cutting potatoes, Yeah, I'm cutting potatoes. I'm about to 420 00:23:54,250 --> 00:23:55,290 Speaker 4: make some mashed potatoes. 421 00:23:55,290 --> 00:23:59,330 Speaker 1: Okay, but the cut the chopping might not be so great. 422 00:23:59,929 --> 00:24:09,489 Speaker 1: Recorded fine, my calls were becoming a nuisance. Rose, What 423 00:24:09,490 --> 00:24:10,609 Speaker 1: are you cleaning out your fridge? 424 00:24:11,090 --> 00:24:11,250 Speaker 5: Oh? 425 00:24:11,409 --> 00:24:12,489 Speaker 3: I'm done. 426 00:24:13,970 --> 00:24:17,369 Speaker 1: I was starting to feel done too. I had nothing. 427 00:24:18,250 --> 00:24:20,290 Speaker 1: But a couple of weeks later, I get a call 428 00:24:20,369 --> 00:24:29,729 Speaker 1: from one of Rose's ex sorority sisters, a woman named Tricia. Initially, 429 00:24:30,050 --> 00:24:33,090 Speaker 1: Tricia hadn't been willing to talk, but over the months 430 00:24:33,290 --> 00:24:35,530 Speaker 1: she thought about it and had a change of heart. 431 00:24:36,290 --> 00:24:38,810 Speaker 1: I call Rose to share with her our good fortune. 432 00:24:39,770 --> 00:24:43,609 Speaker 1: As soon as you finished scrubbing all your cookie pants, I'm. 433 00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:47,209 Speaker 4: Not scrubbing any pants, and I'm not chopping any potatoes. 434 00:24:47,330 --> 00:24:52,530 Speaker 1: All right. So Tricia wasn't just any old sorority sister. 435 00:24:53,010 --> 00:24:54,810 Speaker 1: She was one of the six girls in the room 436 00:24:54,850 --> 00:24:58,090 Speaker 1: who kicked Rose out of Alpha Kai. And not only that, 437 00:24:58,530 --> 00:25:01,609 Speaker 1: Tricia and Rose joined Alpha Kai around the same time, 438 00:25:01,889 --> 00:25:05,530 Speaker 1: and people saw them as partners in crime, goofing at parties, 439 00:25:05,689 --> 00:25:08,889 Speaker 1: singing show tunes. Only they knew she was someone Rose 440 00:25:08,889 --> 00:25:13,049 Speaker 1: at legitimately liked and trusted. I explained to Rose that 441 00:25:13,090 --> 00:25:15,889 Speaker 1: since Tricia was the only person willing to speak to us, 442 00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:18,450 Speaker 1: she might be our last chance to get an answer, 443 00:25:19,010 --> 00:25:22,769 Speaker 1: So during the conversation, we'd need to tread lightly, and 444 00:25:22,850 --> 00:25:26,729 Speaker 1: I sense that treading lightly might not be Rose's strongest suit. 445 00:25:30,929 --> 00:25:36,249 Speaker 1: The situation required coaxing, possibly even some cajoling, and caution, 446 00:25:36,970 --> 00:25:40,889 Speaker 1: plenty of caution. We would need the perfect moment for 447 00:25:41,010 --> 00:25:44,010 Speaker 1: Rose to spring the question that's been gnawing at her 448 00:25:44,050 --> 00:25:48,850 Speaker 1: for years? Why did you kick me out? So I 449 00:25:48,929 --> 00:25:51,530 Speaker 1: decide that a code word is in order, a word 450 00:25:51,609 --> 00:25:54,409 Speaker 1: I can use to signal to Rose that the time 451 00:25:54,770 --> 00:25:58,930 Speaker 1: is right. I have plenty of experience with code words. 452 00:25:59,369 --> 00:26:01,730 Speaker 1: Dinner party going too late and I want people out 453 00:26:01,770 --> 00:26:04,769 Speaker 1: of my home. Medicine balls, I'll say to the misses, 454 00:26:05,050 --> 00:26:07,810 Speaker 1: and she'll produce a CD of my old spoken word 455 00:26:07,850 --> 00:26:11,330 Speaker 1: band mattress shopping and need to communicate my bottom line 456 00:26:11,369 --> 00:26:16,209 Speaker 1: while avoiding the prying ears of predatory mattress salesman. Medicine balls, 457 00:26:16,369 --> 00:26:21,970 Speaker 1: I'll say, So, every situation requires its own special code word, 458 00:26:22,409 --> 00:26:25,170 Speaker 1: and the hours I'd spend crafting this one had been 459 00:26:25,209 --> 00:26:25,930 Speaker 1: well worth it. 460 00:26:26,929 --> 00:26:28,650 Speaker 4: Okay, what's the code We're going. 461 00:26:28,649 --> 00:26:32,810 Speaker 1: To be so okay? So I I was thinking maybe 462 00:26:33,689 --> 00:26:34,889 Speaker 1: medicine balls. 463 00:26:36,409 --> 00:26:39,889 Speaker 4: No, that's so awkward to insert into the conversations. 464 00:26:41,129 --> 00:26:45,169 Speaker 1: Yeah, I scrambled together my list of Plan B code 465 00:26:45,169 --> 00:26:50,409 Speaker 1: words toilet bowl, toilet plunger, turkey, toilet, ou de toilette. 466 00:26:50,970 --> 00:26:53,409 Speaker 1: That's very Canadian about How about if I were to 467 00:26:53,409 --> 00:26:55,889 Speaker 1: say without a do or a don't? Is that something 468 00:26:55,929 --> 00:26:57,810 Speaker 1: that people say, Oh, I'd say. Well, for the better 469 00:26:57,850 --> 00:27:01,330 Speaker 1: part of an hour, Rose and I bat around ideas. Yes, 470 00:27:01,369 --> 00:27:04,970 Speaker 1: we have no tomatoes, boy, or my dog's barking. Some 471 00:27:05,010 --> 00:27:09,850 Speaker 1: people call me Maurice. Finally Rose is satisfied. How about 472 00:27:09,889 --> 00:27:12,050 Speaker 1: I say, and so it goes. That's what I'll show 473 00:27:12,369 --> 00:27:15,329 Speaker 1: and so it goes, and so it goes. Okay, I'm 474 00:27:15,330 --> 00:27:17,770 Speaker 1: writing that down. So that's gonna be our code word. Okay, 475 00:27:18,129 --> 00:27:21,850 Speaker 1: So when I say and so it goes, you're gonna say, 476 00:27:22,609 --> 00:27:28,810 Speaker 1: you know, Tricia, like what just what happened? We had 477 00:27:28,850 --> 00:27:32,209 Speaker 1: a plan, we had a code word. It was time 478 00:27:34,649 --> 00:27:55,449 Speaker 1: for another word from our sponsors. Hello, Hey, Tricia, Hey, 479 00:27:55,730 --> 00:27:58,570 Speaker 1: so I have I have Rose on the on the line. 480 00:27:58,649 --> 00:28:00,010 Speaker 1: I think you guys can hear each other. 481 00:28:00,129 --> 00:28:00,449 Speaker 2: Rose. 482 00:28:01,169 --> 00:28:02,490 Speaker 3: Hi. Hi. 483 00:28:05,090 --> 00:28:07,889 Speaker 1: It's been years since they've spoken, So Rose and Tricia 484 00:28:08,050 --> 00:28:12,649 Speaker 1: catch up, but mostly they reminisce about homecoming, the big 485 00:28:12,689 --> 00:28:16,649 Speaker 1: talent show how they were both awarded Best New Sorority Member, 486 00:28:17,010 --> 00:28:18,010 Speaker 1: and they were like, we've. 487 00:28:17,850 --> 00:28:20,689 Speaker 5: Never done this before, but here you go. 488 00:28:20,970 --> 00:28:23,810 Speaker 4: Oh my god, I totally forgot about that. We did 489 00:28:23,889 --> 00:28:25,249 Speaker 4: die for best New Member. 490 00:28:25,530 --> 00:28:25,770 Speaker 3: Yeah. 491 00:28:27,570 --> 00:28:31,450 Speaker 1: The conversation eventually turns to Roses cancer going into remission, 492 00:28:32,050 --> 00:28:36,010 Speaker 1: and that's when their memories diverge. According to Tricia, after 493 00:28:36,129 --> 00:28:39,330 Speaker 1: Rose was diagnosed as cancer free, she became a different 494 00:28:39,370 --> 00:28:43,049 Speaker 1: person and started to veer onto what Tricia calls a 495 00:28:43,090 --> 00:28:43,769 Speaker 1: bad past. 496 00:28:43,850 --> 00:28:46,850 Speaker 5: I think you got angry, and not at certain people, 497 00:28:46,890 --> 00:28:50,209 Speaker 5: but just that like the situation at life. 498 00:28:50,370 --> 00:28:57,770 Speaker 4: You know, I don't necessarily remember like an anger reaction. 499 00:28:58,330 --> 00:29:01,810 Speaker 5: It's not like you were like pushing people down or 500 00:29:01,810 --> 00:29:04,049 Speaker 5: plunging them in the face. To me, I think that 501 00:29:04,090 --> 00:29:10,489 Speaker 5: what I perceived was like partying with frattorney, like drinking 502 00:29:10,570 --> 00:29:14,730 Speaker 5: a lot, like Yolo lifestyle, but also with like two 503 00:29:14,810 --> 00:29:18,170 Speaker 5: big metal fingers up. That's just like yo, no one's 504 00:29:18,170 --> 00:29:19,810 Speaker 5: gonna tell me what to do or how to live 505 00:29:19,850 --> 00:29:20,250 Speaker 5: my life. 506 00:29:20,250 --> 00:29:24,850 Speaker 4: I just have a perception of myself that's like, oh 507 00:29:25,090 --> 00:29:27,489 Speaker 4: I be cancer, Like all bets are off, man, Like 508 00:29:27,570 --> 00:29:29,410 Speaker 4: now I get to do what I want, like I 509 00:29:29,450 --> 00:29:33,890 Speaker 4: did my time, Like now I'm like like if I 510 00:29:33,930 --> 00:29:35,850 Speaker 4: want to be drunk on a Tuesday, I deserve to 511 00:29:35,850 --> 00:29:38,890 Speaker 4: be drunk on a Tuesday, because hey, I just beat cancer. 512 00:29:39,610 --> 00:29:41,450 Speaker 4: Like like I think was there was you were. 513 00:29:41,370 --> 00:29:45,050 Speaker 1: Separating, the conversation was taking a turn from happy reminiscence 514 00:29:45,170 --> 00:29:49,050 Speaker 1: to battling perceptions of the past. Before things could escalate 515 00:29:49,090 --> 00:29:53,610 Speaker 1: any further, something needed to be said. I think and 516 00:29:53,770 --> 00:29:55,770 Speaker 1: and so and so it goes. 517 00:30:00,530 --> 00:30:01,210 Speaker 4: I think that. 518 00:30:01,490 --> 00:30:05,810 Speaker 1: Just Rose got the memo and was back on point. 519 00:30:07,170 --> 00:30:09,450 Speaker 4: I think for me, Trish, and like, I don't know 520 00:30:09,450 --> 00:30:12,770 Speaker 4: if you can understand this part of it getting kicked out, 521 00:30:12,930 --> 00:30:14,809 Speaker 4: like I had no idea was coming. 522 00:30:16,810 --> 00:30:22,650 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sorry, And I sincerely wish that I could 523 00:30:22,690 --> 00:30:24,570 Speaker 5: give you like a list of like this is what 524 00:30:24,610 --> 00:30:26,049 Speaker 5: it was, this is what it was, this is what 525 00:30:26,050 --> 00:30:28,450 Speaker 5: it was. I honestly like, can't. 526 00:30:29,130 --> 00:30:32,970 Speaker 1: I can't became a common refrain. Rose would ask why 527 00:30:33,050 --> 00:30:36,090 Speaker 1: she'd been kicked out, and Tricia would say she wants 528 00:30:36,130 --> 00:30:39,610 Speaker 1: to tell Rose, but she just can't. I can't talk 529 00:30:39,650 --> 00:30:41,610 Speaker 1: about it, can't get into it. 530 00:30:41,890 --> 00:30:43,930 Speaker 5: Like I wish I could give you a specific sentence 531 00:30:43,970 --> 00:30:46,170 Speaker 5: of like at this Monty who said this, does that 532 00:30:46,250 --> 00:30:46,770 Speaker 5: make sense? 533 00:30:46,890 --> 00:30:47,930 Speaker 3: Like I don't know it. 534 00:30:47,850 --> 00:30:50,289 Speaker 1: Wasn't making sense to me, and I worried that it 535 00:30:50,330 --> 00:30:53,090 Speaker 1: wasn't making sense to Rose either, So I try to 536 00:30:53,130 --> 00:30:57,610 Speaker 1: clarify literally, like, I'm not sure whether it's a matter 537 00:30:57,690 --> 00:31:01,410 Speaker 1: of like you do know, but you feel an obligation 538 00:31:02,050 --> 00:31:05,450 Speaker 1: to kind of hold the secrets of the story all 539 00:31:05,490 --> 00:31:07,130 Speaker 1: these years later, Do you know what I mean? 540 00:31:07,810 --> 00:31:13,170 Speaker 5: Or yeah, no, I I and and maybe like I 541 00:31:13,170 --> 00:31:13,850 Speaker 5: would say. 542 00:31:13,690 --> 00:31:18,610 Speaker 1: No, like was there some kind of oath or something 543 00:31:18,690 --> 00:31:21,570 Speaker 1: like that, or was it because you don't remember. 544 00:31:21,490 --> 00:31:27,049 Speaker 5: Well, any CR meeting was like you're under oath. Everything 545 00:31:27,090 --> 00:31:29,610 Speaker 5: that happens in here stays in here. And so there 546 00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:34,450 Speaker 5: was a confidentiality, a big confidentiality piece to those meetings. 547 00:31:35,170 --> 00:31:37,170 Speaker 1: I get the feeling that Tricia and the rest of 548 00:31:37,170 --> 00:31:40,690 Speaker 1: her sisters still feel some obligation to protect the secrets 549 00:31:40,730 --> 00:31:44,170 Speaker 1: and reputation of an organization they joined in their twenties. 550 00:31:45,010 --> 00:31:47,290 Speaker 5: This is I think the hardest thing was to think 551 00:31:47,490 --> 00:31:50,690 Speaker 5: of the health of the chapter as a whole, and 552 00:31:50,770 --> 00:31:55,170 Speaker 5: how maintaining the health of the whole thing sometimes hurts 553 00:31:55,290 --> 00:31:56,570 Speaker 5: like one or two people. 554 00:31:59,130 --> 00:32:02,890 Speaker 1: By the end of the call, Rose had become uncharacteristically quiet. 555 00:32:03,450 --> 00:32:05,970 Speaker 1: So after we all say our goodbyes, I check back 556 00:32:05,970 --> 00:32:08,130 Speaker 1: in with her about how she felt the call went. 557 00:32:09,250 --> 00:32:11,769 Speaker 4: I think it sounds like she has some memories, but 558 00:32:11,850 --> 00:32:14,650 Speaker 4: she's not sure where she picked them up or who 559 00:32:14,690 --> 00:32:18,090 Speaker 4: she's betraying. If she talked about them, She's always going 560 00:32:18,130 --> 00:32:20,450 Speaker 4: to believe and everyone else in that room is always 561 00:32:20,450 --> 00:32:23,249 Speaker 4: going to believe that there was something about my behavior 562 00:32:23,930 --> 00:32:28,890 Speaker 4: that was unbecoming to the image of the sorority. And 563 00:32:29,570 --> 00:32:31,890 Speaker 4: I mean, she almost called me a cancer. She almost 564 00:32:31,930 --> 00:32:34,210 Speaker 4: said like for the health of the organization, I had 565 00:32:34,250 --> 00:32:38,209 Speaker 4: to be removed. I don't think Truce is a bad person. 566 00:32:38,290 --> 00:32:40,650 Speaker 4: I really enjoyed reconnecting with her. I think she's a 567 00:32:40,690 --> 00:32:43,090 Speaker 4: cool girl. But ultimately, what I got from her is 568 00:32:43,090 --> 00:32:44,970 Speaker 4: that she doesn't think kicking me out with a mistake. 569 00:32:49,050 --> 00:32:51,330 Speaker 1: For the next few weeks, I try to find someone, 570 00:32:51,530 --> 00:32:55,289 Speaker 1: anyone who might know why Rose was kicked out. I 571 00:32:55,370 --> 00:32:59,290 Speaker 1: phone people in the alumni office, in student relations, people 572 00:32:59,290 --> 00:33:02,530 Speaker 1: who weren't even in Rose's sorority, just on the long 573 00:33:02,570 --> 00:33:05,969 Speaker 1: shot they might have heard something. And then one day 574 00:33:06,250 --> 00:33:10,170 Speaker 1: I get a call back from Rick. Rick was Rose's 575 00:33:10,209 --> 00:33:14,210 Speaker 1: college boyfriend. They dated all through her illness, and when 576 00:33:14,250 --> 00:33:16,969 Speaker 1: we eventually spoke, there was something he told me that 577 00:33:17,050 --> 00:33:26,570 Speaker 1: seemed too strange to be a coincidence. Hey, Hi, how 578 00:33:26,610 --> 00:33:26,890 Speaker 1: are you? 579 00:33:27,970 --> 00:33:32,410 Speaker 4: Oh shit, I have to like drive through the bank. 580 00:33:32,490 --> 00:33:33,690 Speaker 4: Drive through right now, real quick. 581 00:33:34,410 --> 00:33:37,850 Speaker 1: Always a lot going on. After Rose is done with 582 00:33:37,890 --> 00:33:42,769 Speaker 1: her personal banking, I tell her the news. I phoned 583 00:33:42,890 --> 00:33:46,969 Speaker 1: up Rick. Okay, and one of the things though, that 584 00:33:47,010 --> 00:33:49,289 Speaker 1: he shared with me and I wonder, I mean, I 585 00:33:49,290 --> 00:33:52,850 Speaker 1: feel like you must know this though we've not ever 586 00:33:52,970 --> 00:33:56,050 Speaker 1: talked about it, is the fact that he was also 587 00:33:56,330 --> 00:33:58,170 Speaker 1: kicked out of his fraternity. 588 00:34:00,250 --> 00:34:05,729 Speaker 3: Holy shit, wait what yeah? 589 00:34:05,770 --> 00:34:08,290 Speaker 1: Like at the time, he was also kicked out of 590 00:34:08,330 --> 00:34:10,010 Speaker 1: his fraternity. 591 00:34:09,490 --> 00:34:12,689 Speaker 4: Of k kicked out Rick neatering ouse. 592 00:34:13,330 --> 00:34:16,850 Speaker 1: Yeah. Rick was kicked out of his fraternity around the 593 00:34:16,890 --> 00:34:19,210 Speaker 1: same time as Rose was kicked out of Alpha Kai. 594 00:34:19,810 --> 00:34:22,410 Speaker 1: Just like Rose, Rick had been the only person kicked 595 00:34:22,450 --> 00:34:25,330 Speaker 1: out in years, and he never got an answer as 596 00:34:25,330 --> 00:34:28,969 Speaker 1: to why. But unlike Rose, Rick has a theory about it, 597 00:34:29,370 --> 00:34:32,050 Speaker 1: one that explains why both of them got kicked out. 598 00:34:33,330 --> 00:34:35,810 Speaker 1: I suggest to Rose that maybe it'd be a good 599 00:34:35,850 --> 00:34:37,530 Speaker 1: idea for her and Rick to talk. 600 00:34:38,010 --> 00:34:43,810 Speaker 4: Yeah, we should make that happen. Hey, Jonathan, how are 601 00:34:43,810 --> 00:34:44,690 Speaker 4: you good. 602 00:34:45,370 --> 00:34:48,450 Speaker 1: I've got Rose here on the other line. Can you 603 00:34:48,490 --> 00:34:49,250 Speaker 1: guys hear each other? 604 00:34:50,730 --> 00:34:53,530 Speaker 3: Hi, I can hear Rick, Hey, how are you? 605 00:34:54,170 --> 00:34:57,170 Speaker 1: Rick's now a contractor. When I reach him, he's sitting 606 00:34:57,170 --> 00:35:01,130 Speaker 1: in his idling truck at a construction site. Not long 607 00:35:01,170 --> 00:35:04,490 Speaker 1: after their breakup, Rose graduated and moved out of Florida. 608 00:35:05,290 --> 00:35:07,730 Speaker 1: The two haven't spoken in years, and this is the 609 00:35:07,770 --> 00:35:11,010 Speaker 1: first time they've talked about and kicked out. Right away, 610 00:35:11,290 --> 00:35:12,530 Speaker 1: they start trading stories. 611 00:35:12,970 --> 00:35:17,170 Speaker 7: Mine was just a phone call, and it was a 612 00:35:17,170 --> 00:35:20,850 Speaker 7: phone call from one of our brothers that was founding father, Chaz, 613 00:35:20,890 --> 00:35:24,850 Speaker 7: and just basically said, hey, you're you're done here. 614 00:35:25,610 --> 00:35:28,930 Speaker 4: That is so insane. You were like the responsible one. 615 00:35:29,010 --> 00:35:30,090 Speaker 4: That's so insane. 616 00:35:30,530 --> 00:35:31,810 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't know. 617 00:35:32,450 --> 00:35:34,610 Speaker 1: Before they get to Rick's theory, the two of them 618 00:35:34,650 --> 00:35:38,050 Speaker 1: talk about old times, eventually winding their way back to 619 00:35:38,130 --> 00:35:41,130 Speaker 1: the days when they were a couple. When Rose was 620 00:35:41,170 --> 00:35:44,610 Speaker 1: diagnosed with cancer, Rick actually moved her into his apartment. 621 00:35:45,050 --> 00:35:48,450 Speaker 1: He drove her to doctor's appointments, cooked her meals. After 622 00:35:48,490 --> 00:35:51,650 Speaker 1: the pink ribbons had been sold and the fundraising had ended, 623 00:35:52,090 --> 00:35:54,290 Speaker 1: Rick was the one waiting at home to look after 624 00:35:54,330 --> 00:35:58,010 Speaker 1: her at her most sick and vulnerable. Do you remember 625 00:35:58,130 --> 00:36:00,570 Speaker 1: being were you scared at any point? 626 00:36:00,690 --> 00:36:00,850 Speaker 6: Rick? 627 00:36:00,930 --> 00:36:03,330 Speaker 1: Like, do you fear that like Rose was gonna die. 628 00:36:03,530 --> 00:36:04,010 Speaker 7: Of course. 629 00:36:04,050 --> 00:36:06,650 Speaker 8: I mean, you hear the word cancer and that that's 630 00:36:06,690 --> 00:36:08,690 Speaker 8: obviously one of the things that you're going to think about. 631 00:36:09,250 --> 00:36:10,850 Speaker 8: You know, we had been dating for a little bit, 632 00:36:10,850 --> 00:36:14,090 Speaker 8: but it wasn't a great length of time before this 633 00:36:14,170 --> 00:36:17,290 Speaker 8: even happened. So you know, you take those feelings that 634 00:36:17,330 --> 00:36:19,370 Speaker 8: you have for somebody and I mean, you're still developing 635 00:36:19,370 --> 00:36:21,450 Speaker 8: a relationship and then all of a sudden I go 636 00:36:21,490 --> 00:36:23,810 Speaker 8: through and like, hey, you know you have cancer. 637 00:36:24,370 --> 00:36:26,490 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean the entire process is terrifying. 638 00:36:29,410 --> 00:36:32,489 Speaker 4: It's terrifying. And I was like bald and my skin 639 00:36:32,570 --> 00:36:35,650 Speaker 4: was turning gray, and like there he was like going 640 00:36:35,650 --> 00:36:38,290 Speaker 4: to functions with me and being my boyfriend. And I 641 00:36:38,330 --> 00:36:41,130 Speaker 4: remember one time, I'm in the middle of chemo. I 642 00:36:41,170 --> 00:36:44,490 Speaker 4: am bald, I'm like not doing well, and we go 643 00:36:44,570 --> 00:36:46,930 Speaker 4: down to Daytona to watch the NASCAR event because it's 644 00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:49,770 Speaker 4: right around my birthday. It's the beginning of July. And 645 00:36:49,810 --> 00:36:52,810 Speaker 4: then this freak thunderstorm comes out of nowhere and the 646 00:36:52,850 --> 00:36:57,450 Speaker 4: temperature dropped like a crazy amount. It downpours, We get 647 00:36:57,490 --> 00:37:01,890 Speaker 4: completely soaked, and now there's like chemo, Rose is freezing. 648 00:37:01,970 --> 00:37:04,650 Speaker 4: I have no immune system I'm just like teeth chattering. 649 00:37:05,090 --> 00:37:07,250 Speaker 4: And so Rick took me over to the vendor area 650 00:37:07,330 --> 00:37:10,530 Speaker 4: and he bought me this like had to tell windbreaker 651 00:37:10,650 --> 00:37:17,970 Speaker 4: outfit of Darryl Earnhardt, juice. Do you remember that? I 652 00:37:18,530 --> 00:37:19,250 Speaker 4: do you look? 653 00:37:19,330 --> 00:37:21,450 Speaker 7: You look like you pretty much belong. 654 00:37:21,250 --> 00:37:21,890 Speaker 3: With that fan base. 655 00:37:22,130 --> 00:37:24,010 Speaker 4: I looked like a twelve year old boy who was 656 00:37:24,010 --> 00:37:26,930 Speaker 4: sitting in the bleachers with like his older brother's cool friend. 657 00:37:32,930 --> 00:37:35,370 Speaker 1: In spite of all they'd been through. Pretty quickly, after 658 00:37:35,410 --> 00:37:38,330 Speaker 1: her cancer went into remission, Rose broke up with Rick, 659 00:37:38,890 --> 00:37:41,450 Speaker 1: and although Rick was sad, he understood it. 660 00:37:42,850 --> 00:37:48,170 Speaker 6: Rose needed to have some time to be able to 661 00:37:49,050 --> 00:37:52,050 Speaker 6: go and experience life. 662 00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:56,090 Speaker 7: And so when that took place, her and I split, 663 00:37:56,130 --> 00:37:56,250 Speaker 7: and a. 664 00:37:56,250 --> 00:37:57,610 Speaker 6: Lot of people are like, oh, well, you know you 665 00:37:57,690 --> 00:38:00,770 Speaker 6: split because oh, she's in remission and it needs to 666 00:38:00,810 --> 00:38:02,570 Speaker 6: go and kind of live her life. Well that's kind 667 00:38:02,570 --> 00:38:05,170 Speaker 6: of a shit way of doing it, because I mean, hell, 668 00:38:05,330 --> 00:38:06,330 Speaker 6: didn't you take care of her? 669 00:38:06,970 --> 00:38:08,489 Speaker 7: Yeah, But I mean she's got she's got to figure 670 00:38:08,490 --> 00:38:13,210 Speaker 7: herself out. We both got it, but we got it, 671 00:38:14,170 --> 00:38:16,530 Speaker 7: and nobody else really understood. 672 00:38:26,650 --> 00:38:30,050 Speaker 1: Which brings us to Rick's theory. Rick says that after 673 00:38:30,090 --> 00:38:33,650 Speaker 1: he and Rose broke up, people took sides. Rick's friends 674 00:38:33,650 --> 00:38:36,489 Speaker 1: were mad at Rose and Rose's friends were mad at Rick, 675 00:38:37,050 --> 00:38:40,410 Speaker 1: and each side started rumors about the other, and in 676 00:38:40,450 --> 00:38:43,770 Speaker 1: that fog of rumors, both of their good names were ruined. 677 00:38:44,410 --> 00:38:46,570 Speaker 1: It was like the breakup version of the Gift of 678 00:38:46,610 --> 00:38:50,570 Speaker 1: the Magi. And as they talk, something in Rick's theory 679 00:38:50,770 --> 00:38:52,050 Speaker 1: seems to click for Rose. 680 00:38:52,570 --> 00:38:56,810 Speaker 4: Absolutely, that theory has never crossed my mind, Like I 681 00:38:56,810 --> 00:39:00,290 Speaker 4: am sure someone who felt close to Rick and thought 682 00:39:00,330 --> 00:39:03,130 Speaker 4: that maybe I had done him wrong or something could 683 00:39:03,130 --> 00:39:05,690 Speaker 4: have gotten blown out of proportion by people who felt 684 00:39:05,730 --> 00:39:08,850 Speaker 4: like defensive or protective on either side of that equation. 685 00:39:09,650 --> 00:39:14,130 Speaker 9: Absolutely, I mean I remember, you know, people coming up 686 00:39:14,170 --> 00:39:16,730 Speaker 9: to me that were, I mean not even friends of mine, 687 00:39:17,330 --> 00:39:20,290 Speaker 9: going oh hey, I heard you and Rose split up, 688 00:39:20,330 --> 00:39:22,250 Speaker 9: and I heard she was cheating on you for two years. 689 00:39:22,570 --> 00:39:24,410 Speaker 9: Her was cheating on you for you know, the two 690 00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:27,610 Speaker 9: months before y'all split with another guy from PI Cap 691 00:39:29,010 --> 00:39:34,850 Speaker 9: You remember Trip, Oh yeah, he was the one kick 692 00:39:34,890 --> 00:39:36,170 Speaker 9: comes by my apartment one time. 693 00:39:36,170 --> 00:39:37,970 Speaker 7: He's like, oh man, I walked into her apartment. She 694 00:39:38,090 --> 00:39:42,570 Speaker 7: was having sex with some dude on the stairs, on the. 695 00:39:42,530 --> 00:39:47,370 Speaker 1: Stairs, on the stairs. These rumors confirmed what a lot 696 00:39:47,410 --> 00:39:50,130 Speaker 1: of Ros's sorority sisters were beginning to think about her 697 00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:53,410 Speaker 1: after her cancer went into remission, that she was too wild, 698 00:39:53,730 --> 00:39:56,370 Speaker 1: too much of a partier. But how do you kick 699 00:39:56,410 --> 00:40:00,370 Speaker 1: out a poor, innocent cancer survivor from your sorority. It's 700 00:40:00,410 --> 00:40:02,970 Speaker 1: a lot easier if she's not so poor and innocent, 701 00:40:03,450 --> 00:40:06,290 Speaker 1: if she betrayed the loving boyfriend who saw her through 702 00:40:06,330 --> 00:40:09,770 Speaker 1: her illness. These rumors must have been just what the 703 00:40:09,810 --> 00:40:13,010 Speaker 1: sorority had been waiting for. It gave them the moral 704 00:40:13,090 --> 00:40:16,850 Speaker 1: high ground to get rid of her. So while Rose's 705 00:40:16,890 --> 00:40:20,489 Speaker 1: sorority sisters thought her cancer recovery had changed her, Rick 706 00:40:20,570 --> 00:40:23,810 Speaker 1: saw the experience as having changed her back to the 707 00:40:23,810 --> 00:40:26,210 Speaker 1: person she'd been before joining Alpha Kai. 708 00:40:26,570 --> 00:40:29,650 Speaker 6: So when she started getting into Alpha Kai, I'm like, what, 709 00:40:30,450 --> 00:40:32,410 Speaker 6: Thank Really, you're. 710 00:40:32,250 --> 00:40:36,050 Speaker 9: Gonna You're gonna go that route because that's that's not her. 711 00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:46,730 Speaker 1: Rose. Are you a Beatles fan? 712 00:40:48,050 --> 00:40:48,290 Speaker 4: Yes? 713 00:40:49,970 --> 00:40:52,490 Speaker 1: Rose had never heard the story of Pete Best. So 714 00:40:52,610 --> 00:40:54,890 Speaker 1: I explain how he was kicked out of the Beatles. 715 00:40:55,450 --> 00:40:57,529 Speaker 1: I tell her about all the different theories I'd heard 716 00:40:57,570 --> 00:41:00,530 Speaker 1: for why he was kicked out, the hair, the style. 717 00:41:01,050 --> 00:41:03,490 Speaker 1: But how lately, looking at old photos of the band 718 00:41:03,690 --> 00:41:06,970 Speaker 1: with Pete Best hunched in the background. It all seems 719 00:41:06,970 --> 00:41:11,009 Speaker 1: a lot simpler when you look at the old photographs 720 00:41:11,050 --> 00:41:13,810 Speaker 1: of those guys of the Beatles with Pete Best altogether, 721 00:41:15,410 --> 00:41:18,290 Speaker 1: Like he just doesn't look like a Beatle, you know, 722 00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:23,090 Speaker 1: And in the final analysis, it's sort of like, why 723 00:41:23,210 --> 00:41:25,010 Speaker 1: was he kicked out of the Beatles just because he 724 00:41:25,170 --> 00:41:26,770 Speaker 1: just kind of didn't seem like a Beatle. 725 00:41:29,610 --> 00:41:32,130 Speaker 4: I get the analogy you're driving at here, and I 726 00:41:32,170 --> 00:41:35,130 Speaker 4: think you're right, Like, ultimately, I just wasn't an alpha kai. 727 00:41:35,690 --> 00:41:39,770 Speaker 4: I just wasn't like them. And I can't necessarily put 728 00:41:39,770 --> 00:41:42,810 Speaker 4: into words or a definition what made them similar and 729 00:41:42,890 --> 00:41:45,530 Speaker 4: made me different, But I just know that I was different. 730 00:41:47,250 --> 00:41:47,530 Speaker 3: Rose. 731 00:41:47,730 --> 00:41:52,330 Speaker 1: Have you ever considered, like, had you not gotten cancer, 732 00:41:52,450 --> 00:41:54,810 Speaker 1: that maybe they would have forced you out earlier? 733 00:41:56,090 --> 00:41:56,330 Speaker 4: God? 734 00:41:56,450 --> 00:41:56,970 Speaker 1: Probably. 735 00:42:03,930 --> 00:42:05,570 Speaker 4: I think I was doing a really good job of 736 00:42:05,570 --> 00:42:08,290 Speaker 4: trying to assimilate early on, and I was like, oh, 737 00:42:08,370 --> 00:42:11,489 Speaker 4: my best behavior, but I think that like the real 738 00:42:11,650 --> 00:42:14,650 Speaker 4: me just kept like cracking out, and then once once 739 00:42:15,010 --> 00:42:17,610 Speaker 4: after going through the whole cancer thing, then it's like, uh, 740 00:42:17,770 --> 00:42:20,050 Speaker 4: let's not put on airs anymore. Like I am who 741 00:42:20,090 --> 00:42:22,250 Speaker 4: I am, and I was trying really hard to like 742 00:42:22,330 --> 00:42:25,490 Speaker 4: cram myself into that mold, and it just wasn't fitting, 743 00:42:25,890 --> 00:42:28,050 Speaker 4: Like it just wasn't working. 744 00:42:29,610 --> 00:42:32,770 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I think, like in having spoken to quite 745 00:42:32,810 --> 00:42:37,210 Speaker 1: a few of your old sorority sisters, I mean none 746 00:42:37,210 --> 00:42:40,330 Speaker 1: of them sound like you. No, and I mean that. 747 00:42:40,730 --> 00:42:42,009 Speaker 1: I mean that in a nice way. 748 00:42:42,170 --> 00:42:44,530 Speaker 4: No, I'm totally down with that. Like I'm a fucking 749 00:42:44,610 --> 00:42:46,610 Speaker 4: maniac and that's who I am, and I've come to 750 00:42:46,650 --> 00:42:50,610 Speaker 4: fully embrace that right now, Like I'm really cool with 751 00:42:50,650 --> 00:42:51,210 Speaker 4: who I am. 752 00:42:52,130 --> 00:42:55,050 Speaker 1: Well you know, I'm I'm I'm uh, I'm cool with 753 00:42:55,090 --> 00:43:03,450 Speaker 1: who you are. Also, thank you. Years after getting kicked 754 00:43:03,450 --> 00:43:05,730 Speaker 1: out of the Beatles, Pete Best said he was still 755 00:43:05,730 --> 00:43:09,370 Speaker 1: hopeful that maybe one day he'd find out why. Maybe 756 00:43:09,410 --> 00:43:11,690 Speaker 1: I'll run into Paul, he said, and we can talk 757 00:43:11,730 --> 00:43:15,650 Speaker 1: about it. If decades from now, Rose should run into 758 00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:18,130 Speaker 1: one of her sorority sisters, I hope she won't need 759 00:43:18,170 --> 00:43:20,490 Speaker 1: to talk about anything other than the weather or what 760 00:43:20,570 --> 00:43:23,610 Speaker 1: she's making for supper, and then she could say or 761 00:43:23,650 --> 00:43:28,290 Speaker 1: goodbyes and get back to chopping, banking and basically being 762 00:43:28,370 --> 00:43:30,090 Speaker 1: the maniac that she is. 763 00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:12,810 Speaker 3: Now that the furnitures returned to it's goodwill, Now that 764 00:44:13,050 --> 00:44:16,610 Speaker 3: the last month's rent is scheming with. 765 00:44:16,730 --> 00:44:20,970 Speaker 1: The damage to po take this moment to sell. 766 00:44:23,330 --> 00:44:28,730 Speaker 4: If we meant it, if we talk, we felt around 767 00:44:28,850 --> 00:44:29,570 Speaker 4: for far. 768 00:44:32,250 --> 00:44:35,010 Speaker 2: From things that accidentally. 769 00:44:38,290 --> 00:44:38,610 Speaker 3: Rose. 770 00:44:39,170 --> 00:44:44,290 Speaker 4: Yes, Hi, Hi, there's a siren going back. 771 00:44:44,410 --> 00:44:46,810 Speaker 1: I know there's always there's always so much going on 772 00:44:46,970 --> 00:44:50,690 Speaker 1: in your life. Let me start with the question that 773 00:44:50,810 --> 00:44:55,969 Speaker 1: probably everyone is curious about. Have you, in the intervening 774 00:44:56,050 --> 00:44:59,730 Speaker 1: years have you run into any of your sorority sisters. 775 00:45:00,370 --> 00:45:00,530 Speaker 5: No. 776 00:45:00,610 --> 00:45:03,170 Speaker 4: It was kind of a secret wish, like maybe someone 777 00:45:03,250 --> 00:45:05,810 Speaker 4: will hear the podcast and they'll finally fess up to 778 00:45:05,890 --> 00:45:08,730 Speaker 4: what was going on. Yeah, but I haven't like bumped 779 00:45:08,730 --> 00:45:11,450 Speaker 4: into one in town who told me like, oh, this 780 00:45:11,610 --> 00:45:12,410 Speaker 4: is what happened. 781 00:45:13,290 --> 00:45:17,530 Speaker 1: It was also uh, as the kids would say, sus 782 00:45:18,050 --> 00:45:18,810 Speaker 1: it's a it's. 783 00:45:18,690 --> 00:45:23,130 Speaker 4: A very insular world. And I think the biggest takeaway 784 00:45:23,170 --> 00:45:26,330 Speaker 4: I have from that whole sorority debacle is that, for 785 00:45:26,450 --> 00:45:30,410 Speaker 4: whatever reason, I didn't assimilate, And instead of being frustrated 786 00:45:30,450 --> 00:45:32,290 Speaker 4: by that, I've now kind of carried it like a 787 00:45:32,330 --> 00:45:34,970 Speaker 4: badge of honor. I'm not putting any energy trying to 788 00:45:35,010 --> 00:45:37,330 Speaker 4: fit a square peg into a round hoole these days. 789 00:45:38,290 --> 00:45:40,770 Speaker 1: Do you feel as though you've put something to rest? 790 00:45:41,610 --> 00:45:41,730 Speaker 7: Oh? 791 00:45:41,850 --> 00:45:44,330 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it feels it feels very far away. 792 00:45:44,450 --> 00:45:47,810 Speaker 1: Now, what do you think that owes to maturity? 793 00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:48,850 Speaker 4: Distance? 794 00:45:49,290 --> 00:45:49,650 Speaker 3: Time? 795 00:45:50,490 --> 00:45:53,290 Speaker 1: Time is the great interlock? Hutter? Absolutely, I could have 796 00:45:53,330 --> 00:45:55,810 Speaker 1: just stayed out of the way, basically, and just let 797 00:45:55,930 --> 00:45:57,690 Speaker 1: nature take its course, and it would have been just 798 00:45:57,730 --> 00:45:58,530 Speaker 1: as successful. 799 00:45:59,130 --> 00:46:00,569 Speaker 4: I would have got here on my own. 800 00:46:01,490 --> 00:46:02,969 Speaker 1: What are you drinking there? 801 00:46:03,850 --> 00:46:07,370 Speaker 4: Some mint tea little herbal tea in the afternoon. 802 00:46:08,050 --> 00:46:10,410 Speaker 1: Wow, you've really become so mature. 803 00:46:10,730 --> 00:46:12,009 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've mellowed out a lot. 804 00:46:12,570 --> 00:46:17,130 Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey, can I ask you a question? Does Rose 805 00:46:17,170 --> 00:46:19,690 Speaker 1: still refer to herself and the third person. 806 00:46:21,170 --> 00:46:21,770 Speaker 4: Jonathan? 807 00:46:23,170 --> 00:46:23,890 Speaker 2: Not as much? 808 00:46:24,330 --> 00:46:25,009 Speaker 1: Not as much. 809 00:46:25,090 --> 00:46:27,170 Speaker 4: I gotta admit I should bring it back. 810 00:46:28,570 --> 00:46:30,450 Speaker 1: Rose should Yeah? 811 00:46:30,650 --> 00:46:31,850 Speaker 4: Rose likes this suggestion. 812 00:46:32,530 --> 00:46:33,930 Speaker 1: There we go. How did that feel? 813 00:46:35,290 --> 00:46:35,450 Speaker 7: Uh? 814 00:46:36,210 --> 00:46:37,370 Speaker 4: A little uncomfortable? 815 00:46:38,450 --> 00:46:51,730 Speaker 1: Yeah. Thanks to everyone who helped put this episode together. 816 00:46:52,090 --> 00:46:55,490 Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with another Encore presentation and 817 00:46:55,610 --> 00:47:17,130 Speaker 1: along with it, another update from our guest.