1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: The guys from Ping. They've kind of showed me how 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: much the equipment matters. I just love that I can 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: hit any shot I kind of want. 4 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 2: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 5 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 2: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 6 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds podcast. I'm Shane Bacon. 7 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: That is Marty Jertsen, and this is a very very 8 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: important thing to tell you off the bat. If you're 9 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: listening to the podcast, pause the podcast for a moment 10 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: and then open it back up on YouTube, because I 11 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: will say, Marty, it's gonna be a visual medium. Today. 12 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: Rob Griffin is with us. We are in the archive room. Rob, 13 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: this is where I would say the magic happens, but 14 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,599 Speaker 1: the magic has been happening for a long time. How 15 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: long have you been at Ping and how many golf 16 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: clubs do you feel like are in the archive room 17 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: right now? 18 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 3: Well, I've been at Ping since nineteen eighty six. I 19 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,319 Speaker 3: did leave for three years, but I came back. And 20 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 3: when I started, I was the company's photographer, so I 21 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 3: shot all kinds of stuff for the company, tour events. 22 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 3: I thought I was going to shoot a lot of 23 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 3: tour events turned out. I was shot more product okay 24 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 3: than anything. But then I left in two thousand and two. 25 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 3: I came back in two thousand and five. My hair 26 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 3: had turned white, so they said I could be the historian. 27 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: That was all it took. On the rest today, Yeah, 28 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: it's gotten a little wider. You can do. You can 29 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: get the archive room, you can have that. What what 30 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: are the club's day back to? I mean you're talking 31 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: like I was looking around as before we got going, 32 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: and I was picking out clubs I played when I 33 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: was a junior golfer. What year are some of these 34 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: clubs dating back to? 35 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 3: Well as far back as maybe late fifty eight, nineteen 36 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 3: fifty nine. 37 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: Unbelievable. 38 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: And how many there are in here? I don't know. 39 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: Exactly, but you can guess. 40 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,559 Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, there's more than a few thousand, okay. 41 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 3: And we actually have three other rooms over in another building, 42 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 3: and in one of those rooms is full of clubs. 43 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: So there's what year do they push you? Do they 44 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: push you to that room like on an office space situation. 45 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but that's over there where there's no there's 46 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 3: no heater cooling. 47 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: That's right, Okay, Okay, you don't want to be there 48 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: in the summer. 49 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 3: You don't want to be there in the summer. But 50 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 3: that's where most of the wooden woods are actually, which 51 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 3: is not a good maybe not the best thing, but 52 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 3: that's where most of the wooden woods. 53 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 2: Are rob I think one thing that US engineers have 54 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: heard a lot of stories about through the family, through 55 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: John Solheim when we're working on product development, is about 56 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 2: Carston the originator. Give a little insight to the listener 57 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: about him, maybe some of the fun pro I mean, 58 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: I love looking at some of the from fun prototypes 59 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: that he made or welded together, tried, you know, had 60 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: his technicians go make real quickly. Give us a little 61 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 2: insight into Carston and what made him tick. Well. 62 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 3: Carsten's whole thing was he was trying to make the 63 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 3: game of golf easier for the average player. That was 64 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 3: his whole goal in life was to build a golf 65 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 3: club that would make the game easier to play. He 66 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 3: was a great problem solver, always trying to think how 67 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 3: to improve his golf club or design a new putter, 68 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 3: things like that. So you know there's a driver up 69 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 3: here that's the square stainless steel square driver, and you 70 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 3: know he just wanted to see how will that work? 71 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 3: And I know when he was working on that with 72 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 3: Greg Schmidt, one of our engineers, Greg told him, he says, Carson, 73 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 3: that's going to cow bell and sure enough it did. 74 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 3: But Carson said, no, it's okay, let's let's try it anyway, 75 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 3: and they tried it, and sure enough it made a 76 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 3: cow bell sound. It was pretty loud. 77 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: I mean, but I mean you're talking about a square 78 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: driver that was built in the nineties, yeah. 79 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: Or probably sometime in the early nineties and. 80 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: The early nineties. So, you know, you think about the 81 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: innovation of golf and how we go through these ebbs 82 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: and flows with certain designs. I mean, Marty's been, you know, 83 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: so influential in that over the last twenty twenty five years. 84 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: But some of the things that you have on these ricks, 85 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you're showing me an upside down putter from 86 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: years ago. A lot of the ideas were just simply 87 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: will this work or will this name? 88 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see what happens. You know, Alan even told 89 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 3: me one time that when Alan had an idea, Carson 90 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 3: would ask him, have you tried doing it? Just backwards 91 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 3: of that, have you tried doing that? One hundred and 92 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 3: eighty degrees just to see what happens. 93 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Carston was the originator of what we're 94 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 2: still doing today, which is trying things fail and learn 95 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: from your failures, right, And he really started us on 96 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 2: that journey, rob And it is fun to look at 97 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: all the well you could call it a failure, but 98 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: quote unquote, you know, failures that are learnings that we've 99 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 2: you know, continued to build upon. 100 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: Right. 101 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, no, I mean, he he wasn't He wasn't 102 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: afraid to fail. He wasn't afraid for something. 103 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: Not to work. How did the process of starting an 104 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: archive room begin? Because I can only imagine you had 105 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: a lot of these things laying around somewhere and you 106 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: might as well display what you're saying, seventy years of 107 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: golf clubs in this room, right. 108 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 3: Well, the way the original idea of this started in 109 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 3: the mid nineties and we had a historian. Her name 110 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 3: was don Wingert, and she had actually been John's assistant 111 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 3: administrative assistant for a while quite a while, and so 112 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 3: she became the first historian and she did a lot 113 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 3: of great work. I fall back on stuff that she's found, 114 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 3: and she kind of did the initial organization of it, 115 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: and a lot of the putters that I have are 116 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 3: because she went up to shipping and grabbed a bunch 117 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 3: of putters. 118 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: You know, we need this for the archive, right, like. 119 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: These white putters over here, which we didn't sell very 120 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 3: we hardly ever sold. I'm almost positive that she went 121 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 3: up to shipping and then we're up there and she says, 122 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: I'll take all those stuff like that. She really got 123 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 3: to start, you know, She's the one that got it started. 124 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: So much of what I have done since then, I've 125 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 3: fallen back on stuff that she had done. 126 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: Rob. 127 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: I think one of the one of the things that 128 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: a lot of people don't know about is how influential 129 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: Louise was in uh the entire company, especially some of 130 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: the the the naming of the answer putter. She was 131 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: a lab technician for for in the research industry, well dynamics. 132 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 3: Actually she worked for Convert and she worked in the 133 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 3: wind tunnel and her job title. 134 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: Was computer, just computer computer. 135 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: She was a math whiz, and so her job was 136 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 3: to take the data that these engineers got from the 137 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 3: wind tunnel and to somehow or other condense it into 138 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 3: something they could really use. And that was you know, 139 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 3: that's one of the jobs she had. And then later 140 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 3: on when they were in New York, she actually worked 141 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 3: for a government agency, the Dairy Board or something like that. 142 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 3: And so, you know, she was very smart in terms 143 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: of Carston and Louise. I always tell people this that 144 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: if Carston had married a different young lady, we probably 145 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 3: wouldn't be here today. She was that important to what 146 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 3: we did. She came to work every day just like 147 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 3: Carston did, and she was more of the personal touch 148 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 3: with the employees and things like that. And yes, she 149 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 3: named some of the putters, including the Answer famously, the 150 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 3: answer putter. 151 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: So is the story on that was it was drop 152 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: a letter to make it fit on the putter? Was 153 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: that how it went? 154 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, so Carston, you know, Carston came home from the 155 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 3: La Open in January of sixty six and Arnold Palmer's 156 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 3: putter was the most popular putter out there at the time, 157 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 3: the eighty eight oh two, and so Carston came home 158 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: and he told Louise he needed to find an answer 159 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 3: to Arnie's putter. So within days Carston had a drawing, 160 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 3: he had a sample and it was get He needed 161 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: to go to the engraver to have the plates engraved 162 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: to put the name on the putter. This started a 163 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 3: few days before he had to go, and he said, 164 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 3: you know, I need a name for my putter. And 165 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 3: she says, why don't you just call it the Answer, 166 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 3: because it's your answer to Ernie's putter. He said, well, 167 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 3: that's no name for a putter, you know. So they 168 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 3: went back and forth. 169 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: One whiffs was considering what that name has done in 170 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: the lineage of pain exactly. 171 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 3: So they went back and forth a couple of days, 172 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 3: and then the morning that he was supposed to go, 173 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 3: he had his appointment to go to the engraver. They 174 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 3: woke up and you know, he said, you know, I 175 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 3: still need a name for this putter. And she said, 176 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 3: I told you call it the Answer. And he goes, well, 177 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 3: that's too long. It won't fit. And she said, we'll 178 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 3: drop the W. It'll sound the same anyway. 179 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: And there you go, and there you have it. 180 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you low? So you're talking initially in 181 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: terms of archival stuff, it was go grab a club 182 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: and let's put this to the side so we don't 183 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: forget about this putter or this prototype. I'm assuming that 184 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: process is a little bit more computerized if you will 185 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: these days, how do you go about making sure every 186 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: club from ping is in the room, every new club 187 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: gets a spot in your room. 188 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 3: I placed an order just like a customer. Okay, that's 189 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 3: literally what I do, because I had tried other ways. 190 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 3: People would say, oh, yeah, I can get you that, 191 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: I can get you that, and it never it wouldn't 192 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 3: show up half the time. And so we just went 193 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 3: to the idea of just well, place an order just 194 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 3: like a customer. 195 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: And if you need a new driver, do you just 196 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: place two? Is that's kind of how it goes. You 197 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: just say I actually need two of those drivers for myself. 198 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: It's what I'm saying. I just I got to have 199 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 1: just an extra one just in case it doesn't quite work. 200 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: It's not how it goes. They keep an eye on that. 201 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 3: My badge doesn't let me walk out the door. 202 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: Marty. When you look around this room, I mean you 203 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: see clubs that you designed. How cool was that to 204 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: kind of you know, see your clubs that you started 205 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: as you know, mocking on a paper and working on 206 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: a computer, to next to the square driver from the 207 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: nineties or the white putters that maybe didn't make the team. 208 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's incredible. And one of the funnest projects 209 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 2: I had where you know, coming into the archives and 210 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 2: learning and getting the history was working on the Answer iron. 211 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: So we worked on a forged iron that had a 212 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,599 Speaker 2: milled cavity in the back, multi material and the original 213 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 2: answer iron we're looking at over here. Rob can kind 214 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 2: of tell the story of a little bit is getting 215 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: some forge blanks and then Carston and Allen I think 216 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: Alan worked on milling. 217 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, Alan did all the milling on the forge. They'd 218 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 3: get the forge blanks for the sixty nine irons, which 219 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 3: was the first model that they did. We got the 220 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 3: heads from golf Craft. Yeah, and golf Craft became titleist, 221 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 3: but they got the heads from golf Craft. They get 222 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 3: him here. Then Alan would mill out the cavities. It 223 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 3: had a dual cavity that one did, and then you know, 224 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 3: to Carston's design and then they would send they had 225 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 3: to send the heads back to golf Craft to be chromed. 226 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 3: Then they'd come back here and they'd weigh out the 227 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 3: heads and so they could put them into sets. 228 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 2: And that cavity made him more forgiving, giving higher moment 229 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 2: of nursia. That's what I loved about Carson is A 230 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 2: he was not afraid to try some wild ideas and 231 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 2: B he thought from a physics based kind of first 232 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 2: principles approach. Uh, Rob, I want to go back to that, 233 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 2: Louise a little bit working in the wind tunnel, because 234 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 2: fast forward to golf club design. Yes, we I'm looking 235 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 2: at the turbulator design that we developed in a wind tunnel, 236 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: right and having that kind of in our company DNA, 237 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 2: Carston and John wanted to test drivers for aerodynamics. They thought, 238 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: if we could make it mourerodynamic, golfer could swing it faster. 239 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 2: Tell us the story about developing woodwoods and testing the 240 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 2: driver aerodynamics. 241 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 3: So, yeah, when Carson first decided he was going to 242 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 3: build his own wooden wood, you're right, he wanted it 243 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 3: to bey aerodynamic, Swing it faster, hit it farther was 244 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 3: his idea, of course, and so he checked into you know, 245 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 3: he had worked on his design, then he checked into 246 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 3: having it tested in a wind tunnel. And there was 247 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 3: two problems. One was it was expensive. The second one 248 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 3: was the deal breaker, and that was it was going 249 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 3: to be several months before they could get him in 250 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 3: line to. 251 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 2: Have it tested. 252 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 3: And also if he had to do a redesign is 253 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 3: still going to be longer after that. So Carson was 254 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 3: not the most patient person in the world. So he 255 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 3: decided he had figured out how to do his own 256 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 3: wind tunnel testing. So what he did is he got 257 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 3: ahead and he put a short shaft in it, and 258 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: he attached spring gauge to it, kind of like you'd 259 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 3: weigh a fish with only probably a little higher tech 260 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 3: than that, but a spring gauge like a machinist might use. 261 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 3: And he got Alan and they got in the family 262 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 3: car and they went down to Bell Road down here, 263 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 3: which is a few miles north of here, and Allan's 264 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 3: job was to drive the car exactly one hundred miles 265 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 3: an hour. In those days, the only thing out there 266 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 3: was the horse track, So Alan's job was to drive 267 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 3: the car one hundred miles an hour. Carston would hold 268 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 3: the club out the window with the spring gauge and 269 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 3: turn it and watch how the gauge moved, maybe make 270 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 3: some notes, I suppose, and then they come back work 271 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 3: on it a little more, and go back and do 272 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: it again. And so that's how he did his wind 273 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 3: tunnel testing. And you know, I asked Allan, they so 274 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 3: They did this in a Citron automobile, which Carston loves 275 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 3: Citron automobiles because they were such high tech cars for 276 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 3: the time, and the one that they used we believe 277 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 3: maybe had a Maserati engine at it. But Allan said, 278 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 3: it's great to get to drive the family car one 279 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 3: hundred miles an hour, except that if he didn't drive 280 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 3: it exactly one hundred miles an hour, Carston wood yell 281 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 3: at it. 282 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: Rob, do you look at Marty and you think he 283 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: needs to do more of this when he's kind of 284 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: testing out some of his new age stuff. Get behind 285 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: the wheel of a car, let's get the get on 286 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: a bicycle or a motorcycle and just see how passing 287 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: go with the club in hand? Or do you like 288 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: the way he goes about his business today? 289 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 3: As far as I know, he goes he knows what 290 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 3: he's doing perfect. 291 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: As far as I know, Rob, we have so many 292 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: unbelievable items. I know you've picked out a few that 293 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: you really like. And a reminder to everybody watched this 294 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: part of the podcast because it's going to be important, 295 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: But do you have any clubs that you can pull 296 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: out or any of the ones that you you know 297 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: that you've pulled the side that are really notable. 298 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I thought we'd talk about, you know, since 299 00:14:55,240 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 3: the answer is the you know, best putter in the 300 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 3: history of golf. And so this is the hand drawing 301 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 3: he did for the answer. Putt it the first drawing. 302 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: This is his drawing. 303 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 3: This is his drawing. He did this drawing. And when 304 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 3: I first saw the drawing back in the nineties, when 305 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 3: they found it in his desk drawer and they brought 306 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 3: it to me so I could photograph it and make copies. 307 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 3: And when I first saw I thought, that doesn't look 308 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 3: like an answer. It looks like the Ping pal to me. 309 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 3: And then his second drawing he made two days later, 310 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 3: and it's dated and signed. 311 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: YEP, January fourteenth, nineteen sixty six. 312 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 3: Right, and then witnessed the fifteenth and on this you know, 313 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 3: so now it's starting to look a little different, the 314 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 3: drawing does. And on this drawing it says sample made 315 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 3: the fourteenth, January fourteenth, and so this is the sample 316 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 3: that he made. 317 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: So this is from sixty six, I mean, this is 318 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: the January. 319 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 3: Fourteen, sixty six. So this started out as a Ping 320 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 3: sixty nine putter this head, and it even was drilled 321 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 3: for a shaft already, so he just took one that 322 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 3: was already drilled and then he modified it and braised 323 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 3: or welded this answer style hozzle onto it. So's the 324 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 3: that's the prototype for the answer. 325 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: Is this the most mimicked golf club in the world? 326 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: Is that fair to say? 327 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 3: I think it is? 328 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: Okay? 329 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think easily. And unfortunately nowadays a lot of 330 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 3: people don't realize that Carston invented the answer design. 331 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: So we have the podcast that's we're doing this, that's 332 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: why we're doing yellow people. 333 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 3: And so this is like one of the very first 334 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 3: castings of the answer putter, and we know it's one 335 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 3: of the first ones because the hozzle is much thinner 336 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 3: than the answer is. Yeah, you can see that, and 337 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 3: I think when they got their first casting they realize 338 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 3: Carson really that when he put the shaft in and 339 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 3: the ball bearing and he had to drive the ball 340 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 3: bearing and it would bend this. 341 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 342 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, So Marty is someone that does this now, you know, 343 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: for your life's work, if you will, what is it 344 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: like looking at things like this from the sixties, thinking 345 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: what it must have been like, you know, for Carston 346 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: and any designer out there having to go about their 347 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: business and the sixties trying to make golf clubs. 348 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 2: I think in talking to Rob about the timeline of 349 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 2: when Carston went out and realized there was a problem 350 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: to solve looking at his brain, was thinking I could 351 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,959 Speaker 2: bring in some physics here to help the everyday golfer, 352 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 2: right right, And how quickly he got that to market 353 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 2: was is absolutely incredible. 354 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you don't want me asking you, Marty, how 355 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: long does it take you to go from idea of 356 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: a golf club first look at it, and then it's 357 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: to market? I mean, what's the timeline for you nowadays 358 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. 359 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean a lot longer than Carston got the 360 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 2: answer out into players' hands. I mean a year, a 361 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 2: year and a half, yeah, okay, yeah, somewhere in that timeframe, 362 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 2: you know, for like a big scale project. But the 363 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 2: fact that he could, you know, put so much effort, passion, 364 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 2: and he could make things, get things done, do them 365 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 2: and really bring in these physics principles of putting offset right. 366 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 2: I mean, that was one of the main things he 367 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 2: brought is that you can generate stability by creating a 368 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 2: distance between where the player is going to apply the 369 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 2: force through their hands in the center of gravity of 370 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 2: the club, with the plumber. 371 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 3: Absolutely offset with such a I mean that's his innovation. 372 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, Rob, what's the let's call it the 373 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: most unique golf club in the archive room. You could 374 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: maybe go weirdest, you could go strangest, you could go 375 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: most different. Now you didn't show me the upside down putter, 376 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: which is my winner already. Okay, Well, because I just 377 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: liked the idea of can we make it upside down? Sure? 378 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 3: This is probably the This is what a lot of 379 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 3: collectors feel as the holy grail of ping collectibles. Okay, 380 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 3: this is the Ping trainer. 381 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 2: Uh this what's the do you know? 382 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: Do you know roughly a year for this? 383 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 3: This would be from like sixty two three. Okay, there's 384 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 3: supposed to be. This one's not quite complete. It doesn't 385 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 3: have there's a wire that comes to a point back here, okay, 386 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 3: and there's two movable weights here. The idea of the 387 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 3: trainer is that where the wire comes to a point, 388 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 3: you put a piece of like felt, and you dip 389 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 3: it in ink, and then on butcher paper you hit 390 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 3: some putts and it draws your stroke. Interesting So when 391 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 3: Carston decided to make his own putter to help his 392 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 3: own putting, he wasn't thinking of making putters for you know, 393 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 3: for sale. He was just wanting to help his own putting. 394 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 3: You know, he didn't take up the game of golf 395 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 3: till he's in his forties. Putting was the hard part 396 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 3: for him, you know, became the heart, you know, decided 397 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 3: that was his weak weak spot. So he took the 398 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 3: putter that he had, which was just a simple blade putter, 399 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 3: and he had he did this wire thing attached to 400 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 3: a wire to it, and on butcher paper, he did 401 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 3: this little experiment. And what he found out was that 402 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 3: no matter how he held the putter, how tightly, or 403 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 3: any configuration of how he held the putter, if he 404 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 3: didn't hit the putt right in the sweet spot of 405 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 3: the putter or the ball right in the sweet part 406 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 3: of the putter, the head twisted an impact. And he 407 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 3: could see that because of the drawing, he could literally 408 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 3: see a little squiggle, okay, And so he decided that's 409 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 3: when he decided that he needed to move the weight 410 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 3: to the heel and toe. Try to get more weight 411 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 3: to the heel and toe. So the first thing you know, 412 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 3: he went to one of his friends at ge and 413 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 3: asked them to make him a blade, you know, a 414 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 3: putterhead blade out of aluminum. And when he got that, 415 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 3: he took it home and somehow or other he milled 416 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 3: out or drilled out areas on the soul, big areas, 417 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 3: and he filled those with lead to get the weight 418 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 3: to the heel and toe and then shafted it up 419 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 3: and sure enough it worked. 420 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: Just a bummer. We don't have like video like we 421 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: have video today of this. I mean, what an unbelievable 422 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: video this would have been of just like adding the lead. 423 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: I just love the creativity of how can we find 424 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: a solution to a problem? Right, and I mean just 425 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: hearing the stories is basically his life work was finding 426 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: solutions into a problem. Exactly. 427 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 3: So the trainer he came out with in sixty two 428 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 3: so that he could people could see what he had seen, 429 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 3: you know when he did this. And also he called 430 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 3: it the trainer because he suggested that people put the 431 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 3: weight in the center and hit putts, and then after 432 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 3: they do that for a little bit, then move it 433 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 3: to the heel and toe and they'd see how much 434 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:07,479 Speaker 3: better it was. 435 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you know. 436 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 3: I think he was thinking he might could do this 437 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 3: with a putter, but then he turned out, of course 438 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 3: you can't have you couldn't have movable weights. Then yeah, 439 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 3: say so, But it became the trainer. It sold for 440 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 3: twenty two fifty It was in the ads and the 441 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 3: magazines and stuff, and he only made one when somebody 442 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 3: ordered one. 443 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 2: And so. 444 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 3: A few years ago once sold at auction for twenty 445 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 3: two thousand, five hundred dollars. 446 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, and it's it. 447 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 3: Literally, I don't we don't know how many he made. 448 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 3: My guess is it's less than twenty. 449 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so you say, holy grail. It's really the 450 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: holy grail. I mean, there's not many of these things. 451 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 3: Collect for pink collectors. This is one of This is 452 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 3: kind of the holy grail. 453 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 454 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 2: Carson was such a great storyteller, and he found very 455 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 2: unique ways to show the value of the physics that 456 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 2: he's uh right, he's bringing in. 457 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm always yeah, you know, he would show the 458 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 3: one a putter. Uh, he would demonstrate that to people 459 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 3: with two sugar cubes and popsicle sticks. 460 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, A little you do a little more than that, now, Marty, 461 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: I think. 462 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 3: Or or you know the bonamic shaft. Yep, yep, the 463 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 3: ball namic shaft. He would demonstrate to people with a 464 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 3: paper clip. He would take a paper clip and bend 465 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 3: it like the balamic shaft to show him how the 466 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 3: balnamic shaft worked. 467 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, Marty, like, we've talked so much 468 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: about innovation in terms of what you're doing now, and 469 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm so impressed with kind of the ping's 470 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: ability to push the app world forward. I just think 471 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: that what you guys have done and what's coming has 472 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: been very, very impressive because you're trying to solve a problem. Yeah, 473 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: for the golfer at home, the technology is there, but 474 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: maybe every golfer doesn't understand this. And it feels like, 475 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: I mean, it's followed the footsteps of Carston, you know, 476 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: kind of being under the same roof is. Maybe it's 477 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: new age, maybe it's computerized me its apps, but at 478 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's the same thing. 479 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely. We us and engineering. We talk about that all 480 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 2: the time, and I think it's shows the importance of 481 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 2: a lot of us that are designers are working on 482 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 2: the product. We play golf, we feel the pain of 483 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 2: the game or just like Carston and we're trying to 484 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 2: come in and solve those you know, it's kind of personal. 485 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 2: We want to if we could solve it for us, 486 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 2: we can solve it for everybody. So we draw a 487 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 2: lot of inspiration from that, and it's it's weaved into 488 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 2: the fabric of the company. 489 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 3: I mean, John encourages people like Marty and young engineers 490 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 3: to come in here, yeah and look around, just just look, 491 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 3: you know, yeah. 492 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: Ask some full ideas away. What's interesting is you were 493 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: showing me before we got going. I mean there's seven 494 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: woods and drivers over there that are fifty inches long, 495 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: fifty five inches long that are probably thirty years old, right, yeah. 496 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 3: I mean yeah, so yeah, we have Weggie Winchester's five 497 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 3: foot long driver, but you just win the long drive 498 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 3: content back in the early eighties five foot long. 499 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, real, Yeah, we're still trying to figure out 500 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 2: driver length fitting today. You know what's the sweet spot 501 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 2: of how long should you well that ever goes. 502 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: Ex Stan Marty, we'll ever get to a place where 503 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: it's where USGA says it can go longer than what 504 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 1: is it forty five right now? Forty four and a half. 505 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's forty six is the condition of competition rule, 506 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 2: but usually that's only in play PGA Tour events and 507 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 2: things of that nature, but still remains at forty eight. 508 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 2: So there are a good number of golfers that do 509 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 2: good with over forty six inch driver because our drivers 510 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 2: are so forgiving from a moment of inertia standpoint, Rob. 511 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 2: One thing I wanted to ask you about was the 512 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 2: how the ballnamic shaft. Maybe we could take a look 513 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 2: at the balnamic shaft there and then also how the 514 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: concept of the pistol grip came to be. 515 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 3: Right, that's that's that's a good question. We'll talk about 516 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 3: the shaft first, the ballnamic shaft. So the balnamic shaft 517 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: is actually have a con It has a compound bend 518 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 3: and it's right here. It's kind of under the grip. 519 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 3: It bends towards the player and away from the target, 520 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 3: and so it's actually easier to see looking from the 521 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 3: other end, so you can see how it bends. And 522 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 3: just like you were talking about offset, yeah, Carstan's idea 523 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 3: was this aligned the player's hands with the ball, not 524 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 3: the face of the club. It also helps minimize the 525 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 3: tow down effect when you swing the club. And the 526 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 3: other thing it does is that it actually stabilizes the 527 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 3: club at impact. So I can demonstrate that if hold 528 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 3: that and let me show you how this works. So 529 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 3: if I hold the club, you know, lightly between my 530 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 3: thumb and finger and I you know, kind of if 531 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 3: I hit it in the sweet spot, you know, it's 532 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 3: pretty stable. If I start to get out here or 533 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 3: to hear, it's not as stable. See if I can 534 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 3: hang on to it better, there we go. You can 535 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 3: see it twist. Now if I hold this above the 536 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 3: bend and now I hit it on the sweet spots, great, 537 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 3: and I hit it out here, it's way more stable. 538 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 539 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 3: And you can actually if you do this yourself, you 540 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 3: can feel you can feel that in your fingers. You 541 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 3: can actually feel the vibration, the vibration change. So that's 542 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 3: the balnamic shaft. And so one of the first people 543 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,360 Speaker 3: to play this club with the balnamic shaft was Joel Goldstrand, 544 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 3: and he told a story about you know, he got 545 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 3: his set of clubs with the shaft balnamic shaft, and 546 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 3: he went took his seven iron. He went out to 547 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 3: the schoolyard school's out of session and he had a 548 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 3: shag bag, and he said, he started hitting seven irons 549 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 3: and he's out there all by himself, and he said 550 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 3: he hit balls for about fifteen minutes or so, and 551 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 3: he actually picked the club up and looked at it 552 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 3: and he said out loud, this has got to be 553 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 3: illegal because he hit the ball so straight. Well, unfortunately, 554 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 3: the balnamic shaft did become non conforming. In sixty seven, 555 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 3: the USGA changed the rule on shafts bins so that 556 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 3: you couldn't have a bind more than five inches from 557 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 3: the ground, and so almost all of Carston's clubs had 558 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 3: a bind either here or they had a bind down 559 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 3: lower like the putters. All had a bind down lower, 560 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 3: kind of a double bind that he did and stuff, 561 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 3: and a lot of those were more than five inches. 562 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 3: And so when the rule changed, when the rule went 563 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 3: into infect Carston didn't have. The only club he had 564 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 3: that was conforming was the Answer putter, so he had 565 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 3: to he wanted to make things right for people, so 566 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 3: he straightened a lot of shafts and did a lot 567 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 3: of things to make it right for people. And so 568 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 3: it really literally almost put them out of business. But 569 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 3: fortunately the Answer was such a hot cellar right away 570 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 3: that the answer kind of saved the business. I suppose 571 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 3: you could. 572 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: Say, yeah, kind of an answer in more than one way, right, yeah, exactly, Rob. 573 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite club in here, like you 574 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: personally have one? Maybe it's just maybe it's a different 575 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: looking club. Maybe it's one that not many people know 576 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: much about. Is there one here that kind of stands 577 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: out to you? 578 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 2: Boy? 579 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 3: I don't know if I have a favorite club. I 580 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 3: know the most favorite club that people like to like 581 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 3: to see when they come in. WHOA is a croquet putter? 582 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: You know what? I'm not an engineer that hasn't been 583 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: in the shaft. Yes, it does almost positive. 584 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 3: So Carston did this bend himself with heat. He had 585 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 3: to use heat to get it to bend like this, 586 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 3: and see if I can get it to Well's stand 587 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 3: up on the right, stand up by itself. 588 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 589 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 3: So yeah, so this was you know, croquet putting was 590 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 3: pretty popular there for a while, and one of the 591 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 3: reasons the USGA changed the bend and chef rule was 592 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 3: croquet putting. 593 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 2: That was part of it. 594 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 3: And they also put in the rule that you couldn't 595 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 3: straddle the line. Yes, yeah, but yeah, so this is 596 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's my favorite, but it's when 597 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 3: people come in and I show them things. 598 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 2: This is a big hit. One thing to notice on 599 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 2: this is the. 600 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: The pistol grip. 601 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 2: Pistol grip yep. So give us a little insight into 602 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 2: how that came to be. See that, Shane, I see 603 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 2: this bad boy. 604 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: It's heavy too. 605 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is heavy. So Carston's first putter's uh, the 606 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 3: Redwood City putters made in Redwood City. They had a 607 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 3: leather grip, a leather wrap grip, and they did that. 608 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 3: The way they made that grip was they actually had 609 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 3: a kind of heavy paper, like Kraft paper kind of stuff. 610 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,479 Speaker 3: And with that paper and white glue, they built up 611 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 3: an underlisting and so you had to put put a 612 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 3: layer on and have to dry overnight, and they put 613 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 3: another layer, have to dry and so it took three 614 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 3: or four days to do a shaft to do a grip, 615 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 3: I mean, and and so on. Once they had the 616 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 3: underlisting and it was dried up, you know, dried, then 617 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 3: they would make a couple of cuts on the table 618 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 3: saw shape it a little bit. And then Alan is 619 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 3: the one that normally would wrap the leather around the grip. Well, 620 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 3: Alan joined the Marine Reserves and he had to go 621 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 3: to boot camp. So he he did as many grips 622 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 3: as he could before he left. So then when they left, 623 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 3: when they ran out of grips, leather grips, they went 624 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 3: to this golf pride and former grip and so John says, yeah, 625 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 3: our production time came way down when they went to 626 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 3: the rubber grip. And so this is the grip that 627 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 3: they used on a lot of the putters, a lot 628 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 3: of the Scottsdale putters. So then Carston, because of the 629 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 3: balnamic shaft being you know, ruled non conforming, Carston designed 630 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 3: his own grip what we call the PP fifty eight. 631 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 3: Now in those days we just called it the ping 632 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 3: grip way back when it first designed. With that design 633 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 3: of that grip, it's not bored through the center's it's 634 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 3: bored off center. And that grip simulates some of the 635 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 3: bend the balnamic bind and it you know, the USGA 636 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 3: did outlaw pistol grips they got, so this grip became 637 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 3: non conforming and that's when Carston would started design his grip. 638 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 3: And so that grip the thing we did with the shaft, 639 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 3: you know what I did with the bonamic shaft. You 640 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 3: can do the same thing with one of our putters 641 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 3: on a pin grip. The effect is not quite as much, 642 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,959 Speaker 3: but you can you can still feel it in your hands. 643 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 644 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 3: So that that grip, that PP fifty eight grip, and 645 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 3: I think you can tell me because I don't know 646 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 3: for sure, but most of all of our putter grips are 647 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 3: now designed kind of that way. 648 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so we we that was Carson's ingenious way, 649 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 2: you know, when they changed the rule on the bend 650 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 2: in the shaft to get that physics effect right, And 651 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 2: now we've done a lot of research, which turns out 652 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 2: a lot of the research we do to today, Shane 653 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 2: just proves what Carson Carson. So now we use that 654 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 2: as a fitting variable that if we need to change 655 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 2: how the putter rotates and match it perfectly to someone's stroke, 656 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 2: we can put them in a grip that as like 657 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 2: our PP. Fifty eight that has more pistol to it, 658 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 2: that points their hand more towards the center of the 659 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 2: center of the club. Yeah, which is really fun. 660 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, Rob, you talk about ordering clubs these days 661 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 1: for the archive room, what do you do about clubs 662 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: that didn't make it in here in the sixties and seventies, 663 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: but you want to acquire them, you want to add 664 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: it to the archive room, but maybe you don't have 665 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,879 Speaker 1: one here. How do you go about finding those golf 666 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: clubs and acquiring them? 667 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 3: Well, generally we will try if people come to us, 668 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 3: don't I try not to go out looking too much, 669 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,240 Speaker 3: but people will come to us with something, okay. 670 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: And I mean, do you still get surprised, Like, do 671 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: you still have people that say, I've got this club 672 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,439 Speaker 1: that you don't have in the room? 673 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 2: I do. 674 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 3: I occasionally do. And it's usually a variation of something 675 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 3: because early on Carston did what a customer wanted. 676 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 2: Carston would do that for people sometimes. 677 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 3: And so occasionally you do get surprised, Like there's a 678 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 3: putter right here that I don't think Murdy's ever seen. 679 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,760 Speaker 3: So this is a one a putter, but a fella 680 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 3: asked to have one heavier, and so Carston actually, uh 681 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 3: raised another piece of bronze. Oh, made it deeper and 682 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 3: heavier and it has a little flange. 683 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 2: I have not seen that, right, And. 684 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 3: So yeah, so there's this this came a guy you know, 685 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 3: called me up and said he had this putter and 686 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 3: so what we like, what we'd like to do is trade, 687 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 3: you know, trade new equipment. We don't want to purchase 688 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 3: outright if we can help it, but sometimes we do. 689 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 3: And uh, you know another putter that came to us 690 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 3: was George Answers, George Archer's answer putter that we believe 691 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 3: is the one he used to win the Masters. That's 692 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 3: that's for that's up for debate, but we believe it 693 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 3: is the one that he used to win the Masters. 694 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,919 Speaker 3: And so you know, that's one that we we did buy. 695 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: Can I ask about the golf ball? Sure, because nowadays 696 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: there's a lot of variations of golf balls that are 697 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,879 Speaker 1: different colors and they have different patterns on them. I mean, 698 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: this was the og This was the original golf ball 699 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: that had different variations of colorways and all that. What 700 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,879 Speaker 1: was the reasoning for the ping golf ball? 701 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 3: Well, Carston, when he decided he wanted to build his 702 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 3: own golf ball, he actually bought a company Truce Fear, 703 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 3: I think that's the name of it. He bought them 704 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 3: and moved all their equipment and actually their head engineer 705 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 3: designer came and came to work for Carston. I don't 706 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 3: know exactly how he came to the idea of the 707 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 3: two color ball, but he called it stroboscopic because he 708 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,439 Speaker 3: liked the idea. You could see it spin and this 709 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 3: is the orange and yellow combination. It was his favorite, 710 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 3: and we called it the Ping punch, or he called 711 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 3: it the Pink punch. 712 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 2: You know. 713 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 3: As we went on, you know, we had yellow and 714 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 3: white and pink and white, and red and white and 715 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 3: different standard colors. With our customization process that Ping has 716 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 3: had for a long time, we started doing custom colors 717 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 3: for people. We would try to match a color to 718 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 3: somebody's logo and we also could pad print logos on. 719 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: God okay, I I mean again like in twenty twenty three, 720 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: this is what you're seeing, what you're talking and we're 721 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,479 Speaker 1: doing this back in the in the eighties, right. 722 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 3: But anyway, so the two color balls are very collectible, 723 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 3: some of them, and depending on the color and stuff, 724 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,320 Speaker 3: people get all carried away about it. The ball collectors 725 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 3: are different than the club collectors. 726 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:54,760 Speaker 1: Got to deal with both parties. 727 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes the ball collectors have kind of I understand, 728 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 3: and there they want to know how many colors we made, 729 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 3: and we don't know because we were custom mixing colors. 730 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 3: To match logos, right stuff and so but yeah, so 731 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 3: the two color ball was and it's a great putting 732 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 3: aid is you guys probably know, And. 733 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: I will, I will draw mine. So I will get 734 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,280 Speaker 1: the tool and draw half a golf ball with the sharpie. 735 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you know they sell golf balls now that 736 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: you can do that with. But yea, yeah, I mean 737 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: I will, I will do that. I'll also make my 738 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: four year old do it too. And it's not a 739 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: straight a little here. 740 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 3: Before there, before anybody else was doing the two color 741 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 3: ball like they are now. When Lee Westwood came here 742 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 3: for a visit one time, uh been, I don't know, 743 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 3: maybe ten years. 744 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 2: Ago, yeah yeah. 745 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 3: And one of the things when he was here he 746 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 3: asked for he asked for a two color. 747 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 2: Ball for practice. Yeah yeah yeah. 748 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 3: So yeah, so we found him one. 749 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,839 Speaker 2: R Rob Fast forward to today. Uh well, Carson was 750 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 2: kind of famous. He has a video where he's famous 751 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 2: for saying that, you know, the golf ball is like 752 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 2: the tuning fork for us. It tells us what to 753 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 2: do on the clubs. And so fast forward to today, 754 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 2: we made a golf ball fitting wrapp software solution, you know, 755 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 2: inspired by the name Baldnamic. I know that, you know, 756 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 2: just golf ball's flight Carston Aerodynamics. Let's bring it all 757 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 2: in and so that that's how we kind of have 758 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,399 Speaker 2: that name for our Baldnamic fitting software. But he knew 759 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 2: the importance of marrying ball and club together, right. 760 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 3: And it's funny you say that because just the other 761 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 3: day John said something to me where he said, well, 762 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,919 Speaker 3: you know, the golf ball is what you know because 763 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,839 Speaker 3: I asked him about the golf ball. I asked him 764 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 3: how what he felt about, like the golf ball being 765 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 3: cut you know, the USGA wanted to cut back on 766 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 3: flight or the distance and all that sort of stuff, 767 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 3: and he said, well, the ball is our tuning fork. 768 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 2: They used the same. 769 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 3: Phrase, Carson, And so that's it's really interesting and your 770 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 3: ball app is is pretty cool. When James Lee fit 771 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,280 Speaker 3: me over there. For clubs, we went through. 772 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 1: The Marty will run you through it. We've talked about 773 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: acquiring clubs and finding golf clubs. Are there clubs that 774 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,399 Speaker 1: are missing? Do you have any? Do you have any 775 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: clubs that you could I mean, this is a PSA. 776 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,399 Speaker 1: It's a podcast for goodness sakes, So let the people 777 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: know what we need what we need. 778 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we're missing. We have some holes. We have 779 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 3: a few holes one of them, and most of the 780 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 3: older stuff I have, although I'll say any I will 781 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 3: say any older club, Redwood City address club or Scott 782 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 3: Stale address club. I'm always interested in seeing pictures because 783 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 3: Carston did do variations just like I showed you, So 784 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,919 Speaker 3: I'm always interested in those. As far as one that's 785 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,840 Speaker 3: missing from our collection, I don't have a ping sixty 786 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 3: nine W putter with a Scott Stale address. Okay, I've 787 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 3: got them with Phoenix address. I don't have one with 788 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 3: a Scott Stie address. But the putters I'm actually missing 789 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 3: is because like I mentioned Don Wingert, and she was 790 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 3: here and then she wasn't here, and then I didn't 791 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 3: start doing this into two thousand and five. In that 792 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 3: period of time, new putters that came out, we didn't. 793 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 2: Get them all. 794 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 1: So so some mod you're saying, some more modern. 795 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 3: More modern, so G two putters, G two, I, G 796 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,919 Speaker 3: five I putters, all of the I have some of those, 797 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 3: but not all of them. And there was a number 798 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 3: of those. 799 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 2: Models, Yeah, there were, Yeah, we had a lot of 800 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 2: models that right. 801 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's something that works. 802 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 1: So so, I mean, I know I'm joking about a 803 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: p s A. But if somebody had a club and 804 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 1: they were interested in showing it to you, how do 805 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: they get ahold of you? 806 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 3: Oh? They can just they can just call the main number. 807 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 2: Main ping customer service. 808 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 3: Customer service number. They can ask to speak to me. 809 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:41,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. 810 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: Can I call and just ask to speak to you 811 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: every now and again just to chatter? Okay, just making 812 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,720 Speaker 1: sure that's good. I was gonna say we could actually 813 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,800 Speaker 1: maybe get the direct line after the pod. What is 814 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 1: your role with the Ping Putter vault, because I can 815 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 1: only imagine that you're somehow involved in the gold Putter 816 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: Vault that considering you're the archive guy, you probably have 817 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: some involvement over there as well. 818 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:02,879 Speaker 2: Well. 819 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,400 Speaker 3: When we were working on the book, you know, our 820 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 3: ping book, the History. 821 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: Of and you picked that thing up with one arm. 822 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, seven pounds, so the putter went ping. When 823 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 3: we were working on this book, Jeff Ellis that wrote 824 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 3: the book, he actually discovered a number of wins that 825 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 3: we had missed and so. 826 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:25,760 Speaker 2: We weren't in the vault. 827 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 3: We won in the vault, and we had we the 828 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 3: player didn't have a putter either, we just that, you know, 829 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,839 Speaker 3: and so we we went back and tried to pick 830 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,240 Speaker 3: those up, and we we picked up a good number 831 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 3: of them, but we haven't actually some of them we 832 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 3: have been able to pick up. So my involvement, my 833 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 3: involvement over there is pretty minimal. Sometimes if we need 834 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,359 Speaker 3: a gold putter, what's happened in the last few years, 835 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 3: and sometimes we needed we need putter heads to make 836 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 3: gold putters with. And if a player wins with a 837 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 3: putter that is maybe four or five years old, we 838 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 3: may not have a head. And so I've had to 839 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 3: go on eBay and buy some putters for the gold 840 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 3: putter end up in the gold butter ball. 841 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: It's true technology, Chase, right, We're talking about full circle 842 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 1: technology here, right. 843 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 3: Because nowadays when we do putters, don't we don't have 844 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 3: the molds and we can't make another one ten years later. 845 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 3: We used to be able to. So it's become a 846 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 3: little bit of a problem. We need to get those 847 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 3: the players to always use them. 848 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,279 Speaker 1: We're current model. There you go, it's the PSA for them. Rob. 849 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: When you sit in your office and you sit in 850 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 1: here and you're here every single day looking around, what 851 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 1: does it say about your experience with ping. What has 852 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,320 Speaker 1: that been like throughout your life. 853 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 3: Well, I always tell people when they call me and 854 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 3: they are asking a lot of questions, and they'll say, boy, 855 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:52,840 Speaker 3: I really am sorry to bother you. So no, no, 856 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,680 Speaker 3: you're no bother at all, because I learned. I learned 857 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,279 Speaker 3: as much from them as they learn from me. 858 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 2: I really do. 859 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:05,839 Speaker 3: So I really enjoy talking to people when they when 860 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 3: even emailing. Although I'm a terrible type, but I enjoy 861 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 3: talking to people about the equipment, and you know, just 862 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 3: talking about what we're talking about today, what Carston did 863 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:21,440 Speaker 3: and didn't do. And I'm constantly learning things about Carston 864 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 3: I didn't know, or about Carston or Louise I didn't know. 865 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 3: So it's, uh, it is just a constant learning thing 866 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 3: for me, and I enjoy it a lot. Otherwise I 867 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,400 Speaker 3: probably would have retired a long time ago. Maybe, but 868 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 3: well probably not. I couldn't afford it, you know. So yeah, 869 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 3: that's that's you know. And and sometimes you know, once 870 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,359 Speaker 3: in a while, Tony You'll come to Tony Serrano will 871 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 3: come over and want to look at a at a 872 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,920 Speaker 3: putter because they're talking about making a PLD putter like 873 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,800 Speaker 3: it or something like that, And I really do enjoy 874 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 3: when people like Marty and Tony and young guys come 875 00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 3: in and I can show them this stuff and talk 876 00:44:59,040 --> 00:44:59,640 Speaker 3: to him about it. 877 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,320 Speaker 2: One of my favorite putter projects I worked on coming 878 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,400 Speaker 2: in here, Rob was working on the Dale Answer. So 879 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,319 Speaker 2: when we remade the Dale Answer, and maybe you could 880 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 2: tell the story of the difference between the answer and 881 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 2: the Dale was I think in you know, the collectors 882 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,160 Speaker 2: called the Dale Head otherwise known as the Dale Answer. 883 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 2: Where the name Dale come from? What was that little well, 884 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 2: the issue on the putter. 885 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, so. 886 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 3: The Scottsdale answer the putters the answer putters made with 887 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,439 Speaker 3: the Scottsdale address. There were two masters for that. Those 888 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 3: are sand cast putters, and there were two masters. Carston 889 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,359 Speaker 3: made the first master, and he asked Allan to make 890 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,680 Speaker 3: the second master. When Alan was making the second master, 891 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,120 Speaker 3: cutting on the toe ballast, YEP, the back of the 892 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,920 Speaker 3: putter cutting on the toe ballast, the mill slipped a 893 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 3: little bit. Well, he didn't want to start over, so 894 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,640 Speaker 3: he decided what he would do on the other side. 895 00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,719 Speaker 3: He made it look like the mistake and kind of 896 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,360 Speaker 3: evened it out, and he said that, you know, he 897 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 3: figured when he got done, Carston would make him start 898 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:07,880 Speaker 3: over it. 899 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: I might as well lean into the mistake. 900 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,360 Speaker 3: And so when he showed it to Carston, Carston said, no, 901 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:21,880 Speaker 3: that's okay. So there's two masters, and so any any putter, 902 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 3: any any answer putter with a Phoenix address that's made 903 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,840 Speaker 3: from one of those masters. Because when they first moved 904 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 3: to from where they were doing Scott Steale address putters, 905 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,600 Speaker 3: which actually wasn't in scott Steele, but I was in 906 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 3: the county and the Scott Steal was the closest peel, 907 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 3: the closest closest mailbox. But anyway, they moved here to 908 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,600 Speaker 3: the first building on our campus here, they just changed 909 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:53,840 Speaker 3: the address plate to Carston Coe Carston Company or and 910 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,040 Speaker 3: then a little later Carson Manufacturing Corporation, and they still 911 00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,920 Speaker 3: were using the Scott Still Master, but with a different address. 912 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:05,160 Speaker 3: So those putters collectors refer to started referring to those 913 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:10,839 Speaker 3: as dale Heads, Scottsdale dale Heads. Okay, Well, when we 914 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,600 Speaker 3: were working on the book and the story that I 915 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,920 Speaker 3: just told you about Alan talking about how he made 916 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:21,600 Speaker 3: the second master, John didn't know this. John, I remember 917 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 3: so well because I asked the question, why are the 918 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,759 Speaker 3: two masters? And Alan said, oh, I know that, and 919 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,279 Speaker 3: John said you do. And Alan tells the story about 920 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,439 Speaker 3: what happened, you know where he made a little mistake. Well, 921 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:42,000 Speaker 3: John said, oh, your middle name's Dale. That's where the 922 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,440 Speaker 3: Dalehead comes from. Yes, And I was like, now we 923 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:46,320 Speaker 3: have a second reason. 924 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,680 Speaker 2: It's a Dalehead, Alan Dale Solheiman Dale. So when I 925 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 2: was working on the dale Head in the Answer or 926 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,200 Speaker 2: a Vault two point zero, we relaunched the dale Head 927 00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:01,319 Speaker 2: but milled. We came in here, got a dale Head 928 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:06,239 Speaker 2: Answer three D, scanned it, brought it into our CAD software, 929 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,720 Speaker 2: and I matched up every little nuance of the mistake 930 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,560 Speaker 2: on both sides, and a bunch of the nuance there. 931 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,240 Speaker 1: So cool. I mean, I love I love the marriage 932 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 1: of you know, the Vintage Club with the New Age 933 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,279 Speaker 1: Club is so cool and I feel like I feel 934 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 1: like you guys have done that for a long time. 935 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 1: It's like marrying that. 936 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So. 937 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 3: One of the one of the things Alan's really proud 938 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:31,240 Speaker 3: of too about his you know, putters made from his master, 939 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,480 Speaker 3: is that he saw Seve someplace one time and Sebe 940 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,840 Speaker 3: was talking to him about the Answer and told Alan 941 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:44,960 Speaker 3: he'd like to get a dale Head with with that 942 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:50,319 Speaker 3: what what they then called flat Soul, which was the 943 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,080 Speaker 3: master from Alan's Allen's Master. Sevie would like to get 944 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,839 Speaker 3: a master to get a answer like that. Yeah, so, uh, 945 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,320 Speaker 3: Alan knew that Lee McCormick, one of our sales reps, 946 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:07,040 Speaker 3: had one, and he called Lee, and Lee gave the 947 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,880 Speaker 3: putter to Seve. Literally gave the putter to Seve, you know, 948 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:16,279 Speaker 3: sent it to Seve, and then Seve uh sent Lee 949 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 3: a really nice letter thanking him. So Lee, Lee's got 950 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,320 Speaker 3: that letter really, you know, framed and everything. But Alan 951 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,600 Speaker 3: is very proud that Sevee wanted that answer from that master. 952 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,600 Speaker 2: Sevy's got a few putters in the in the ball, 953 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,319 Speaker 2: in the ball, I've seen him. 954 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,000 Speaker 1: Rob, We've talked about ping collectors. So I got to 955 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,160 Speaker 1: ask you this as we kind of wind down, what 956 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 1: do we talking in terms of most expensive club in 957 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:42,040 Speaker 1: this room? 958 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:47,520 Speaker 3: Well, we don't like to get into value. You know, 959 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,680 Speaker 3: as a ping employee. Ping employees actually are not allowed 960 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,920 Speaker 3: to appraise or value on vintage ping equipment. Now, we 961 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,960 Speaker 3: have some things in here that are priceless, okay, and 962 00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:03,240 Speaker 3: so the original these two original drawings, they're priceless, right, Yeah, 963 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,480 Speaker 3: the the prototype for the answer, that's a priceless item. 964 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,240 Speaker 3: You're not going to replace that for any amount of money. 965 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,400 Speaker 3: And then not in here, but in John's closet he 966 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,799 Speaker 3: has the first one A which is welded up from 967 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,400 Speaker 3: stainless steel. You know. Again, those are priceless items. Like 968 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,400 Speaker 3: you know, I mentioned before, the highest priced thing I 969 00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,319 Speaker 3: know that sold, you know, at auction was probably this 970 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,799 Speaker 3: trainer that sold for you know, about twenty two to five. 971 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,120 Speaker 3: So it's you know, it's. 972 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,840 Speaker 1: So the answer is priceless. I feel like, yeah, priceless. 973 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,440 Speaker 1: And there's multiple items in that in that regard. 974 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,800 Speaker 3: And all that we have all these hand drawings by Carson, 975 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,719 Speaker 3: many more than this. Yeah, you know those those sorts 976 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,960 Speaker 3: of things are Yeah, they're just priceless. 977 00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,200 Speaker 1: And that's so cool, Marty. You have anything else? We're 978 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,200 Speaker 1: up who you're. 979 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,680 Speaker 2: Rooting for this yere Sons or Pelicans? Pelicans of course. 980 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 3: And why well, my son is the vice president of 981 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,399 Speaker 3: basketball operations for the New Orleans Pelicans. 982 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,840 Speaker 1: When he goes to another team, what do you do 983 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,520 Speaker 1: with the old team stuff? Is it like you donated 984 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 1: so it stay? You keep it? 985 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:15,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? 986 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,880 Speaker 3: Because he was he was GM of the Cleveland Cavalist 987 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,960 Speaker 3: right when they won the championship. 988 00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 1: So you can't get rid of that. Are you talking 989 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,279 Speaker 1: about priceless? There you go, that's priceless stuff in your 990 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:30,160 Speaker 1: version of this room. I caddied years ago. It's St. Andrew's. 991 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,040 Speaker 1: I caddied there after college when I got out of school, 992 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,080 Speaker 1: and I had a lady show up one day and 993 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:35,440 Speaker 1: we're on the first team, and she was wearing this 994 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,880 Speaker 1: shirt and I had all these course logos on, you know, 995 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,000 Speaker 1: brand logos on the shirt, and I was like, that's 996 00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,920 Speaker 1: kind of interesting. She was a pretty good player, hit 997 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,399 Speaker 1: down the middle of the fairway, you know, two twenty 998 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,319 Speaker 1: or something, and we went up there about three holes. 999 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,319 Speaker 1: Then I go, hey, listen, what's the deal with the shirt? 1000 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,440 Speaker 1: And she was like, well, Anica Sorenstein's my neighbor. The 1001 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,880 Speaker 1: time she gets a new brand or she gets a 1002 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,279 Speaker 1: new sponsor, she just brings all the old shirts over 1003 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,440 Speaker 1: to me. So that's kind of paying it for it, 1004 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,200 Speaker 1: if you will. Well, Rob, this has been really really interesting. 1005 00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,040 Speaker 1: I mean, this room is unbelievable. I've never been in 1006 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,560 Speaker 1: here before. I mean, this is my first visit here. 1007 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I will be coming back. I was taking 1008 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,160 Speaker 1: pictures of some of the lefty irons over there to 1009 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,600 Speaker 1: some of my dad, because I mean, I know he 1010 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,120 Speaker 1: had a set of those. What are the brilliant ones? 1011 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,319 Speaker 1: What was that the Yeah, I mean he had a 1012 00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,040 Speaker 1: set of those. When I first started playing golf. I 1013 00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:20,600 Speaker 1: remember he had a set of those irons in his back. 1014 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,040 Speaker 1: So I have to send him a picture. But we 1015 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:23,680 Speaker 1: appreciate the time and the insight because it has been 1016 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:24,359 Speaker 1: very very cool. 1017 00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:25,080 Speaker 3: Lots of fun. 1018 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:26,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks Frev. Always fun. 1019 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. This is the Ping Proving Grounds podcast.