1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from how Stuff Works 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: There's Charles b Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry over there. This 4 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: is Stuff you Should Know, very special surprisingly sad edition. 5 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think so. Yeah, of course it's sad. 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: It's really gross. It is gross. I'm gonna have a 7 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 1: hard time getting through this one, so we should give 8 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: everybody fair warning. We are talking about a metaphobia, which 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: is a specific phobia, a fear of throwing up. And 10 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: we'll get way more into um all of that and 11 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: what it means, but we're talking about vomiting. It's basically 12 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: tied for first as the subject of this episode. So 13 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about vomiting a lot. And I 14 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 1: found from researching this reading and I imagine hearing about 15 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: vomiting for a good thirty minute forty minute stretch, it 16 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: can make one queasy. So just fair warning. I don't 17 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: think it's actually going to make you queasy, but it's 18 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: possible if it starts to happen, just plow through it. 19 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: To just say, Josh and Chuck would want me to 20 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: plow through it, and your queaziness will magically go away. 21 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all right. Uh So, like you said, it 22 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: is a specific phobia and it is actually listed in 23 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: the d s M. Now, I'm not sure how long 24 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: it's been in there, but it is, well a meta phobia, isn't. Well, 25 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: I thought the specific phobia vomiting. Now, I guess I 26 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: think specific phobias are. I don't. I don't know if 27 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: it's if it's a specifically listed chuck. So when this 28 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: says it is a specific phobia a current according to 29 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: the d s M, what does that mean? I think 30 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: it means that it falls under the umbrella of a 31 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: specific phobia. Okay, you see what I mean. Not really, 32 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: but that's okay. Um. This means, well, you're afraid you 33 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: might vomit. You're afraid someone else might vomit around you. Um, 34 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: you're afraid what people will think of you if you 35 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: do vomit. Yeah. It's just uh, and it's not this 36 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: article where'd you get this stuff? Anyway? Was just sort 37 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: of cobbled. It was cobbled together from some pretty good sources, 38 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: including Psychology Today, the American Association of Anxiety Disorders UM, 39 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: the National Institutes of Health Library, the BBC Vice and 40 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to the listener 41 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: who wrote in to share her a metaphobia story. I 42 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: had never heard of it before, and she had a 43 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: very harrowing experience and overcame it just through sheer grit 44 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: and willpower, um, and came through the other side of 45 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: this very serious phobia. Yeah, which you know, we'll to 46 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: the how to do that later. But um, these articles 47 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: and make great pains to point out that it is. Uh. 48 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: I think all people think it's gross and are very 49 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: much repulsed and turned off by the sound or the 50 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: smell or the look or anything that deals with somebody 51 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: getting sick like this. Um. But this is different than that. 52 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: This is a debilitating fear that can overtake your life. Yeah, 53 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: that would specifically be a metaphobia. There's actually it seems 54 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: like a spectrum where you can also suffer from what's 55 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: called fear of vomiting, which is much less um overwhelming, 56 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: but still you're preoccupied with the idea of vomiting. With 57 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: the metaphobia, your life does not resemble what your life 58 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: would be if you if you weren't afraid. Yeah, it's 59 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: a it's a real impairment to your life in a 60 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: lot of different ways, which will go over It seems 61 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: like there's not a lot of study about it. I 62 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: mean I ran across a few studies, but even in 63 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: the studies I found, they specifically say not a lot 64 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: of studies about us. So a lot of the guests 65 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: is about the prevalence are guesses. But um, one thing 66 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: I saw was that UM in the general population eight 67 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: point eight percent. I think that's actually fear of vomiting. 68 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: I think a metaphobia is more like less than one 69 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: percent of the population has actual a metaphobia, but that 70 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: it tends to be UM about four to one ratio 71 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: of women to men. Women suffer from it. They have 72 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: a tendency to suffer from it more. Yeah, and I 73 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: certainly do not have it. But um, like I said, 74 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: like almost everyone in the world probably it is a 75 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: trigger for most folks. Yeah, nobody wants to throw up. 76 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: But if you have a metaphobia, just seeing the title 77 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: of this come through your podcast feed could have set 78 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,799 Speaker 1: off an anxiety attack. And like I feel very guilty 79 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: about that. There nothing we could do because even if 80 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: we warned everybody in the episode before this that this 81 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: was coming that would set off a panic attack. Just 82 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: the mere mention of the word vomit can can set 83 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: the the anxiety disorder into UM full gear. Yeah. This 84 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: one article you sent. One of the clinicians they interviewed UM, 85 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: who treats anxiety disorder, said it is, in her practice, 86 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: the most common fear among children that they see. Yeah. Uh, 87 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: And that's typically how it starts. So it's a chronic disease, 88 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: meaning that if you don't treat this, it's going to 89 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: persist basically every day of your life, and it tends 90 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: to get worse over time. UM. And it usually starts 91 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: with a traumatic experience of vomiting, most frequently of all 92 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: in childhood, So it's it's more common I think, among kids, 93 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: but it can survive into adulthood and it can start 94 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: in adults. But what seems to happen is you have 95 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: a traumatic experience from vomiting, and just like with any 96 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: other true attic experience, whether it's surviving UM, a violent 97 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: crime or being in war, UM, vomiting can have that 98 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: same effect on the brain apparently, and you developed something 99 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: pretty closely akin to PTSD at the thought of vomiting, 100 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: and it overwhelmed the life as a result. I had 101 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: a traumatic experience with this when I was a kid. Um. 102 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: I might have told the story before for another reason, 103 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: but um, I was on the bus going to elementary 104 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: school and there was a scary kid. Remember an elementary school. 105 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: They were just the scary kids. I remember my scary 106 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: kids first and last name. Yeah, right, And they're scary 107 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: for various reasons, whether they were bullies or I mean, 108 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: you could probably diagnose something that was wrong as an adult, 109 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: but as a kid, they were just scary kids. And 110 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about like I mean, I'm talking about 111 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: like sociopathic behavior, not something that you know, like some 112 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: They weren't, yeah, exactly. They had like real issues that 113 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: were affecting other people around exactly. So this one kid, 114 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: I remember his name was Tony something, but he on 115 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: the way to school one day would or many days, 116 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: he would make himself throw up outside of the uh 117 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: with his face out of the window, and it would, 118 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, the school bus was going down the road 119 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: and it would fly down and land on the windows 120 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: all the way down and other windows, and he would 121 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: make himself vomit, and it just it's scared the crap 122 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: out of me. Man, and it wasn't like I was 123 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: scared scared, scared scared of this dude. Yeah, well that's 124 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: really bizarre, yeah behavior, especially if he was doing it 125 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: to like intimidate, to freak other people out. Yeah, and 126 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: I think I might remember a story because it's you 127 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: know how sometimes a certain event can tie something else 128 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: in your brain. You know. My dad was my elementary 129 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: school principal. I don't know why I was riding the 130 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: bus because he usually just went to work with him. 131 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: He wanted to normalize things maybe, but um, I ran 132 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: to my dad's office right when I got to school crying. 133 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: He wasn't in there, and the secretary, Dot Jones let 134 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: me in the office, and Dot let me stay in 135 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: his office because I was sad. And he had one 136 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: of those big um cabinet stereos record so the stereo 137 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: was already on. But the song that was on, weirdly 138 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: was the BGS How Deep Is Your Love? And to 139 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: this day I hear that song and it makes me 140 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: want to cry. Yeah, it's just a trigger from that 141 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: day with that guy, you know what, and that weird 142 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: that's a sad story because that's a good song. I know, 143 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: it makes me want to weep. It makes me want 144 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: to thinking about Tony making himself throw up, And I 145 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: always wonder what happened that guy. He's in Jim Rose's 146 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: side show right now. Maybe is that still around. I 147 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: don't know, Puky Tony, but yeah that was him, Yukiitonian, 148 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: hippie robber and like a little jug band together. But anyway, 149 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: that's a long way of saying that that was not enough. 150 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: Even the traumatize me to the point where I have 151 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: a metaphobia. No, but I mean it could have been. 152 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: It just it seems to be like and it's not 153 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: even necessarily like a type of person or um. It's 154 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: it's the brain can just the synapsies can fuse in 155 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: a certain way, and all of a sudden you have 156 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: this phobia. And the problem is this is it starts 157 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: from a traumatic experience. So let's say that that had 158 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: had this impact on your chuck, right, what would have 159 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: come next if you were on the road to a 160 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 1: metaphobia would have been to um, start to fear throwing up, 161 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: seeing somebody throw up, probably is how it would have started. 162 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: And then that would have spread to throwing up yourself, 163 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: and then you would have become hyper vigilant. You would 164 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: you would want to protect yourself from seeing somebody throw 165 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: up or from throwing up. Well, how do you do that? 166 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: To prevent yourself from throwing up? You're gonna monitor every 167 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: single weird feeling you have to say it would mind 168 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: about to throw up, I need to like tamp this down, 169 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: or I can't eat that food it might make me 170 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: throw up. Or I can't read in the car, it 171 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: might make me car sick and I'll throw up, Or 172 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: that person looks kind of sick. I'm going to avoid them, 173 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: and then let's just take it a little further and 174 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: avoid everybody altogether, because anybody could really throw up at 175 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: any given time. And you start to become preoccupied with this, 176 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: and you adjust your life and alter it, and then 177 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: you're constantly worried about throwing up. And once that happens, 178 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: it's the phobia is complete. Your life has changed, you're 179 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: constantly worried about it. And then the cherry on top 180 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: of the whole thing is that when you finally are 181 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: confronted with the word vomit actually seeing somebody something like that, 182 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: you enter a panic attack, an actual panic attack, and um, 183 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: the only way to overcome that is to get away, 184 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: to run, to get out of there, to um, I'm 185 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: not sure all the ways you can handle a panic attack, 186 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: but then it calms down and your anxiety returns to 187 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: normal levels, which is to say hi for the average person. Yeah. 188 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: So in my case an elementary school, how that could 189 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: have gone was, um, I had another ride to school. 190 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: But if I hadn't, I might have stopped taking the 191 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: school bus and started skipping class and not going to 192 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: school at all because I was afraid to get on 193 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: the school bus because of puky tony and gone weeks 194 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: in a row. And then my parents get a call saying, 195 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: Chuck hasn't been in school for weeks, what's going on? 196 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: And that's exactly what's going on. Like it can get 197 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: that severe, and it all boils down to the at 198 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: least in most cases, the anticipation of this more so 199 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: than the actual act in every case, because the the 200 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: people that are struck with this, by all accounts, are 201 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: less vomitous than the general population, so much so because 202 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: they've tried to avoid it, so much so that this 203 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: one article said that most of these people can even 204 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: name like the three or four times in their life 205 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: they have ever puked and what they ate that day, 206 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: and what they had on television and what they wore, 207 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: because it stands out that singularly to them. And then 208 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: so that's horribly ironic that the people who are the 209 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: most worried about throwing up are the people who are actually, 210 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: statistically speaking, at least likely to throw up. Right. Um, 211 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: But there's an even greater irony to the whole thing, 212 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that after this break. How about 213 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: that it's a chuck where you're on the irony train 214 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: and I want to keep going. Okay, Yes, the the 215 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: irony of paying attention and being hyper vigilant about vomiting, 216 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: especially when you are, um, worried that you're going to vomit, 217 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: because again, there there's a number of things that you're 218 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: you're worried about. You're going to be worried that you 219 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: won't be able to find a bathroom in time to 220 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: go throw up. You're worried about throwing up in front 221 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: of other people, um, and embarrassing yourself for being teased 222 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: for throwing up. Um. You're worried about just the experience 223 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: of throwing up, this horrible experience. But once you start 224 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: to get a metaphobia, you you lose perspective completely, Like 225 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: it becomes like I've seen multiple they call them a metaphobes, 226 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: people with a metaphobia. I have seen multiple people say 227 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: you would prefer to die than to throw up. That's 228 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: how much they fear throwing up, and the rest of 229 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: us it's like, God, that would suck to throw up, 230 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: but I know I'll be fine on the other end 231 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: of it, not to a person with a metaphobia. So 232 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: the irony of all this is the more you start 233 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: to focus on this and you start to uh think 234 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: about every gurgle in your stomach or every weird twist 235 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 1: or turn um, it actually produces more anxiety. And here's 236 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: the ironic part. Anxiety can actually make you queasy when 237 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: you're thinking about throwing up, that's right, So it makes 238 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: the whole thing worse and it becomes this vicious cycle. Yeah, 239 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: and they recommend trying to tell yourself, like, I might 240 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: feel queasy, but I'm not going to throw up. My 241 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: anxiety might be making me feel nauseous, but I am 242 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: not going to throw up. Yeah, Because there's a confusion 243 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: of queasiness equals nausea equals throwing up and that's just 244 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: not the case. Like, you can make yourself sick with anxiety, 245 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: but you can't make yourself throw up from being anxious, 246 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: so the whole thing is just wasted. Worry. Yeah, some 247 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: of the other things you might do because of the spear. 248 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: You might not shake hands with anyone ever again you Well, 249 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people avoid looking at television 250 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: puke scenes. Yeah, you cannot watch. You really can't watch 251 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: those at all. You can't watch Stand by Me or 252 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: The Meaning of Life. Those are so funny looking though, 253 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: but still probably not. Uh. You might throw away food 254 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: in your fridge that uh is not even past this 255 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: expiration date. You might have a trigger there. Um. You 256 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: might overcook your food on purpose, and then before you 257 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: eat it, you will lift the bread a bunch of 258 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: times called checking behavior. Sure. Um, you might not eat 259 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: on vacation as readily because you only trust your trusted 260 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: food sources. You might go into a place and like 261 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: you know, when some people go into a music venue, 262 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: like they check for the exits, like you're checking for 263 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: the bathrooms. You you may not even make it to 264 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: the music venue. You A lot of them. A lot 265 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: of people with the metaphobia end up being agoraphobic and 266 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: just don't leave their house really developing it's it's often 267 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: confused for agaphobia by by UM counselors. Yeah, shrinks, I've 268 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: got another one, all right. Apparently a lot of people 269 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: who have a metaphobia walk around with a plastic bag 270 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: on them at all times, something to throw up into, 271 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: an emergency throw up bag. They walk around with this 272 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: because they're so afraid of throwing up that they never 273 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: need to use because they probably don't ever throw up, 274 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: I know. And some of them will actually carry a 275 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: change of clothes around with them as well, for the 276 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: same reason. If they throw up on themselves, they can 277 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: change their clothes. Yeah, And of course, air travel, drinking 278 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: alcohol um, any of those things are, or car travel 279 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: even like any kind of travel is probably avoided. Definitely 280 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: don't booze it up or Yeah, they probably don't drink 281 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: at all, and subsist on things like pasta and bananas 282 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: and very very safe um digestively speaking foods, although banana 283 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: could gag you. Yeah, you know, God, that would be 284 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: a nightmare if you had a metaphobia. I wonder if 285 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: they mash them up and eat it like like mashed 286 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: up with a fork. Maybe maybe you could see it. Yeah, 287 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: and I could see cutting your food up into you know, 288 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: the tiniest pieces, because you feel if you're choking. And 289 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: that's one of the fears too. I don't think we 290 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: mentioned like they're not just afraid of the vomiting, but 291 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: they sometimes can fear choking on vomit and dying and 292 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: affixiating and or going to the hospital or starting to 293 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: vomit and the vomiting never ending. That's another fear of 294 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: a metaphobia. One other thing that I saw people do, 295 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: um is prevent getting pregnant because of a fear of 296 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: mourning sickness. Um. So yeah, so your life is is 297 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: altered and curtailed because you're afraid of vomiting. Everywhere you 298 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: look there's some potential trigger out there. So it just 299 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: be easier to stay home and eat your pasta and 300 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: not watch movies basically, and it just lie there and 301 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: monitor your stomach for signs that you're about to throw up. 302 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: That's what they do. That's what you do when you 303 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: have a metaphobia. That's your life. It's no way to live. So, 304 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: like this is not all just academic and stuff. We're 305 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: grasping at shows and pulling together from different cases like 306 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: this is. There's actually a case study we found, UM 307 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: that was of an eight year old girl who had 308 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: a terrible experience throwing up and really kind of encapsulates 309 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: the experience of a metaphobia. She had full blown to metaphobia. 310 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: She had appendicitis and had been throwing up before the 311 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,959 Speaker 1: doctors figured out she had a pendicitis and had her 312 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: appendix removed. And that experience throwing up was um while 313 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: it triggered a metaphobia in her. She when she came 314 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: to and Um was recovering from her surgery, about ten 315 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: days later, she started getting really worried she was going 316 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: to start throwing up like that again. Yeah. It was 317 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: a really sad case and uh pretty much covered everything 318 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: we've said and and even then some to the point 319 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 1: where her father traveled for business and she didn't want 320 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: him to travel anymore. Her father to travel anymore for 321 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: fear that he would uh get some sickness and then 322 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: bring it back to the house. Uh, I mean that's 323 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: pretty extensive, you know. Yeah, Like she didn't want to 324 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: eat herself. She she didn't want to eat any outside food. 325 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: She had her safe food, but she also didn't want 326 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: her parents to eat any outside food either because she 327 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 1: didn't want them throwing up. She stopped um playing with 328 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: other kids because she was worried about throwing up in 329 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: front of him and being teased. That was her big thing. 330 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: Um And as as one of the clinicians who we 331 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: came across in this research said, it's not the vomiting 332 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: that's really the problem, Like that's the focus, that's the obsession, 333 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,959 Speaker 1: But the real problem is the worry, the constant worry. 334 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: It's the worry that's altering your life, and it altered 335 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: this little girl's life, you know, very sad. So let's 336 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: let's take another break and then we'll come back and 337 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: put a silver lining on this thing and talk about treatment. 338 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: All right, So we've talked a lot on the show 339 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: over the years about CBT cognitive behavioral therapy or exposure 340 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: and response prevention e r P, basically exposure therapy, and 341 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: this is definitely probably the way to go when it 342 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: comes to a metaphobia. So depending on who you go see, 343 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 1: you might undergo various kinds of treatments, ranging from starting 344 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: out by literally saying the words vomit out loud or 345 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: throw up or puke or just all the words um, 346 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: because that's literally the first step sometimes into getting over 347 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: this is just being able to speak the word yeah. 348 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: And you may have to start out by writing it 349 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: down first before you can say it out loud for real. 350 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: And so once you move past that, um. The the 351 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: therapies range from um, they're kind of all over the board, 352 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: from looking at fake vomit that your therapist has made 353 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: in a toilet. Yeah, now you're starting to move into 354 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: exposure therapy, right, Yeah, I mean this is all of 355 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: this stuff, uh E r P and CBT, but um, 356 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: you know, they'll make up some fake vomit, put it 357 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: in the toilet, make you go look at it. They themselves, 358 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: the therapists might make the noises in front of you, 359 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: just out of nowhere. Well I imagine they probably prep 360 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: them or maybe not. Uh may may go in the 361 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: bathroom and jump up and say I gotta go get sick. 362 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: And all of this is just exposing this patient over 363 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: and over to the point where they can handle hearing 364 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: the sound, seeing the thing, saying the word. Hearing the 365 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: smell is another one too. One of the recommendations for 366 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: exposure therapy is you make your own throw up, like 367 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,959 Speaker 1: in the toilet, a little bit of um, cold soup 368 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: something like that, maybe mixed in some oatmeal with it, 369 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,239 Speaker 1: and then pour a little vinegar in there to like 370 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: make it pungent, and sit around and think about that 371 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: being vomit. Maybe try to make the sound of throwing 372 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,959 Speaker 1: up yourself, um, try to make yourself gag and and 373 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: all this is to show you, when you have a 374 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: metaphobia that this is, first of all, it's manageable. That's 375 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: the first part. Is what you're trying to do is 376 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: get to this point without having a panic attack. But 377 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: then also um that if you gag, it doesn't mean 378 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: you're automatically going to throw up. And if you do 379 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: throw up, it doesn't mean you're never going to stop 380 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: throwing up, or that everyone's going to ridicule you for 381 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: throwing up. And and that's you know, the point of 382 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: any cognitive behavioral therapy is just kind of change your 383 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: perspective and give you a more realistic view of the 384 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: thing you're worried about. Um. There's also a website called 385 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: rate my Vomit. Have you heard of it? Yeah? I 386 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't get to mention that, But go ahead, you have 387 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 1: heard of it before, No, no, no, I read about it, 388 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: but I just it just sounds like, I mean, that's 389 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: like classic internet stuff, right, Somebody's like, oh, let's put 390 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: pictures of throw up on there, and you guys tell 391 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 1: me how gross it is. Well, it's actually used by 392 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: people with a metaphobia too, as exposure therapy at home 393 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: to just go look at this stuff and see it. 394 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: There's also videos of people throwing up. There's a lot 395 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:36,959 Speaker 1: of stuff the internet like unintentionally is this great place 396 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,479 Speaker 1: for people with a metaphobia to go get over their fears? 397 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: And I'm sure, like if you have a fear of snakes, 398 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: it's good for that too, But so is like a 399 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: time life book. You're not gonna find a time life 400 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: book that's nothing but pictures of vomit. You're gonna find 401 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: it on the internet, Yes you will. That's not in 402 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: the Old West series. And then I found this other 403 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: um to other type of therapy Chuck called eye movement 404 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: desensitization and reprocessing e m d R, and it's used 405 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: for post traumatic stress disorder. And it's the most bizarre 406 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: treatment I've ever heard of in my life. But apparently 407 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: it really really works. Are you ready for this? So 408 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: say I was your therapist and you were you have PTSD, uh, 409 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: and it's been used to treat a metaphobia a couple 410 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: of times. But you're talking about the thing that gave 411 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: you PTSD. You're focusing on the worst aspect of this 412 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: traumatic experience, and you're talking about it out loud. But 413 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,479 Speaker 1: while you're doing it, I'm moving my finger back and 414 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: forth and up and down and maybe in a slow circle, 415 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: and I've instructed you to follow my finger wherever I 416 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: move it while you're recounting this horrible traumatic experience. Supposedly 417 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: just doing this over multiple sessions, but sometimes just in 418 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: one long session, PTSD can be treated. And the way 419 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: that this they think this happens, if it actually does work, 420 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: it just sounds like such, just like totally made up 421 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: that in fifty years are going to be like they 422 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: actually thought this worked. But if it does work, they 423 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: think that it works because it it taxes your working 424 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: memory to follow the finger, and your recall then is 425 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: not aided fully by your working memory, So the vividness 426 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: of this horrible memory isn't as as robust as it 427 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: would be if your full working memory. Was was working 428 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: on it, and so it when it when you reprocess it, 429 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: when you file it away again, this memory it's lost 430 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: its luster, it's lost a lot of its um bite 431 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 1: because you've gotten it out there and reprocessed it in 432 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: a way that's not nearly as traumatic because you're working 433 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: memory was being used in part to follow your therapist finger. 434 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: Supposedly it works, Yeah, and that nuts it's pretty neat. Yeah, 435 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: I think so too. I wonder if it really does work. 436 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: You should try it. Anybody, anyone who has ever undergone 437 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: eye movement, desensitization and reprocessing. I would love to hear 438 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: your story if it actually helped you or not. And 439 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: if you have a metaphobia, godspeed, We hope you get 440 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: well soon. And to take this on or any phobia 441 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: really has so much courage and grit that just taking 442 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: a first step towards treatment, My hat is off to 443 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: you for life. Yes, and chances argued probably didn't even 444 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 1: listen to this episode. Yeah, but if you have a 445 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: different phobia, yeah, you know, any phobia. Uh And since 446 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: I said phobia a couple of times, that means it's 447 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: time for listener mail. I'm gonna call this our second 448 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: p s A in as many weeks. If this releases 449 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: the same week, okay, but this one's about dogs. It's 450 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: very sad. Hey, guys, take a while to write this 451 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: because it's been very difficult to talk about your animal lovers. 452 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: Oh so, probably a good majority of your listeners are, 453 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: and I thought sharing our tragic story would help prevent 454 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: others from experiencing the same thing. We lost our our 455 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: dog River about two months ago because I left the 456 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: bag up chips out. We were at work while she 457 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: got her head stuck in the bag, and we came 458 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: home to find our dogs stiff and lifeless from suffocation. 459 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: We've always been careful about plastic bags and stuff like 460 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 1: that and kept them stored away for recycling, but never 461 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: occurred to us said a chips bag on the counter 462 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: would something would need to be concerned about. No one 463 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: ever would ever think about that. Everyone we've also told 464 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 1: said it was something they never thought about either. So 465 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: now we keep all of our bag foods in the 466 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: cupboard and cut the bottoms off of anything that goes 467 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: into the recycling and waist pins. It's a good idea too. 468 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: I started doing that since these guys wrote it in. Yeah, 469 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: we were and still are extremely heartbroken. I hope no 470 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: one else will have to go through experience. Um, it 471 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: was the worst and if I can help save just 472 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: one other dog's life, it's been worthwhile. So thanks for 473 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: being you guys. Thanks for being you guys. There's a comment, 474 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: there's not, but I think that's how I'm supposed to 475 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: read it. I hope you make it into your next 476 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: Seattle show. That's Jackie W from Seattle. Jackie, thank you 477 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: for writing in. I'm so sorry about River. Um, but 478 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: I hope you guys are doing okay. Yeah, that sounds 479 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: like a guest list. Yeah, I agreed action to me. Yeah, 480 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 1: right back in and uh we'll guest Yeah, we're coming 481 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: in January. So yes, so just right back in. We'll 482 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: throw you on there. And she sent a picture of River, 483 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: beautiful dog, very very sad, River look very sweet. 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