Speaker 1: I'm read Lewis, and this is NFL Inside Reports special
Speaker 1: episode for you guys here this week, coming to you
Speaker 1: from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Here from the
Speaker 1: Indiana Convention Center where a lot of the work going
Speaker 1: on here ahead of the first workouts which began Thursday.
Speaker 1: Of course you can see an NFL network go through
Speaker 1: Sunday and our pals here and Insider is Insiders Extraordinaire
Speaker 1: Tom Peal Sero Ian Rap Report. Guys. Great to be
Speaker 1: back here in the Circle City, the Who's Your State
Speaker 1: with all of you guys, the looks on your face,
Speaker 1: with that kind of enthusiasm. No, no, so I was
Speaker 1: on I was on another program killed Indianapolis. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: to let you in here. You know what I got
Speaker 1: to extra immediately was Chris Ballard. So for people who
Speaker 1: don't know, I was on the MacAfee show and I
Speaker 1: made a joke. It was not a joke, it was true.
Speaker 1: But I made a joke about how cold I always am.
Speaker 1: And the only memories I have of Indie are walking
Speaker 1: back to my hotel room absolutely freezing with no jacket
Speaker 1: because one year I brought a jacket. Indie not unprepared.
Speaker 1: I brought a jacket to Prime forty seven, left it there.
Speaker 1: Went the next night with a different jacket, left hat there,
Speaker 1: and my wife was as angry at me as she
Speaker 1: maybe has ever been. And I'm like, I'm never wearing
Speaker 1: a jacket out again. Did you pick those back up
Speaker 1: this week? Where did they hold them for you for
Speaker 1: the last two years? But I did. I do constantly
Speaker 1: look around to see if anyone one was like an
Speaker 1: Endful Network jacket that there wasn't a lot of, So
Speaker 1: I do actually look around for it from time to
Speaker 1: see if anyone's wearing it. No, so I don't wear
Speaker 1: a jacket, so I always say, it's like I'm freezing.
Speaker 1: So I walked around from bar to bar and I'm
Speaker 1: just freezing. And then the Internauto Star wrote a story
Speaker 1: on my comments about how I slammed Indie and then
Speaker 1: like Ballard text me and he's like, why would you
Speaker 1: do that to our cities? Like I'm going to kill
Speaker 1: you from the podium. I'm like, here's what you're doing
Speaker 1: is you're making yourself the story and you're supposed to be.
Speaker 1: He's asserting himself after what like twelve years infl network
Speaker 1: something like that, like you're still figuring out how TV
Speaker 1: and the internet. I was not. If you say something,
Speaker 1: someone might hear it and then repeat it. So right,
Speaker 1: so we know how ian feels about Indianapolis. How excited
Speaker 1: are you to be back here? And I legitimately love Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: I know that there's gonna be a lot of discussion
Speaker 1: about the event potentially moving to l a or to Dallas,
Speaker 1: and setting aside those alternatives, the way that this place
Speaker 1: is set up, the inner captivity of it. We're not
Speaker 1: freezing this week. It's in the sixties. It's actually ian
Speaker 1: and I walked over here outside to the stadium, which
Speaker 1: I can ever remember doing at the Combine. But Indianapolis
Speaker 1: has has a lot going forward in terms of the restaurants,
Speaker 1: the all different places, and you kind of get a
Speaker 1: feel for it after many years. You know what teams
Speaker 1: are in what hotels, you know where agents and teams
Speaker 1: get together. You kind of know all those things, like
Speaker 1: if you need to bump into someone, you've got a
Speaker 1: pretty good idea of of where that that might happen.
Speaker 1: I also love the simplicity of you know, every time
Speaker 1: they like there's these longer trips and I'm always like
Speaker 1: if I remember to do it, like a month out,
Speaker 1: like I'll book dinner reservations at different places like here.
Speaker 1: I'm just like eight o'clock at sant almost every night
Speaker 1: because the whole week tom we'll be back there tonight.
Speaker 1: There's other places, but it's just like this is like
Speaker 1: the simte knows where it is still good. Yeah, anything
Speaker 1: any other words to share about sat Almos that might
Speaker 1: get written about tomorrow? Um? I love the shrim cocktail. Um,
Speaker 1: I said my wife a lovely picture of the shrimp
Speaker 1: cocktail last night at herrying is He's And she sent
Speaker 1: me back the emoji that, oh you didn't come by, Zella.
Speaker 1: I didn't see you. Big big guests are But Daniel,
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah guy do something. I saw some of his friends.
Speaker 1: I said to some of his friends. Yes, Um, so
Speaker 1: let's talk about though, about the mechanics of this event
Speaker 1: and how valuable it is for you guys in terms
Speaker 1: of information gathering and you know what it's like to
Speaker 1: have that back this year as opposed to last year
Speaker 1: where this event was shut shuttered to literally everyone except
Speaker 1: for medical personnel in the prospects. I mean, is it
Speaker 1: is it that valuable. I underestimated how valuable and just
Speaker 1: like enjoyable it would be. You know, like so a
Speaker 1: bunch of new gms, bunch of new coaches and coaches
Speaker 1: and a lot of them gms. I didn't know all
Speaker 1: of them, and even just to be able to be
Speaker 1: like hello, I'm whoever and have that initial conversation, like
Speaker 1: I missed that for two years. Last night I had
Speaker 1: a coach who I've been talking to for a year
Speaker 1: look at me and be like in and I was
Speaker 1: like you and then like we had not met in person. Really,
Speaker 1: this is all where it happens, Like I I missed
Speaker 1: it terribly, And we've got fifteen head coaches since essentially
Speaker 1: something something in that range, and probably ten new gms,
Speaker 1: and that's right. Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of think that, but I mean everybody was kind
Speaker 1: of locked down for quite a while. Lester was a
Speaker 1: little bit more normal, but you missed out on, you know,
Speaker 1: certain events and get together. So yeah, I mean there's
Speaker 1: people that you get to know, you know, over the
Speaker 1: phone or whatever, and you never actually get to meet
Speaker 1: him in person. So you know, now doing that stuff
Speaker 1: even to see like some of the new head coaches
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. You know, we had Kevin O'Connell,
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels on set. I got to catch up with
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel earlier, who every everything that comes out of
Speaker 1: his mouth is so hilarious and unique and it's for
Speaker 1: the moment, like he's he's a fascinated individual and so
Speaker 1: like everything he does. Like the video, I think it
Speaker 1: was you retweeted him. It was Andrew with him like
Speaker 1: pumping his fist when John Lynch said something nice about
Speaker 1: him at the crowd. John, Yeah, I mean he's It's
Speaker 1: gonna be really interesting to see how how that plays out.
Speaker 1: I think you get you get to know the dynamics
Speaker 1: a little bit because you observe people together. It just
Speaker 1: kind of how they are even when they're walking around,
Speaker 1: how they interact with the media. And so I was
Speaker 1: thinking about that with I don't think it's a secret.
Speaker 1: Saw some of the Vikings coaches out last night and
Speaker 1: second nine a row and they were all together and
Speaker 1: everyone has friends around the league, but like they were
Speaker 1: all together and like whatever bonding that is, like that's
Speaker 1: really valuable. I would also say this because there was
Speaker 1: a story that was written by some website last year
Speaker 1: that you know, basically made out like or two years ago,
Speaker 1: but made out the Combine to be like you know,
Speaker 1: party clown show. Like no, everyone's out super late because
Speaker 1: like you're trying to see people and like they're spread out.
Speaker 1: This is now everything, right, I mean, not not anymore,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Maybe once upot of time at the
Speaker 1: Combine for me, but not anymore. It's just like you're
Speaker 1: just actually enjoy Yegor Maister, not the Jego bombs, but
Speaker 1: like I could sit Yego Master. It is a delicious drink.
Speaker 1: You're weird. It's great for another day that we at
Speaker 1: any rate. You know, you feel like like last night
Speaker 1: I went to bed about two o'clock and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I really shouldn't. Coaches were being like, oh, you're coming
Speaker 1: down the street and I'm like no, I just I can't.
Speaker 1: I did it last night and I can't do it again.
Speaker 1: But there's just there's that many people in town. It's
Speaker 1: it's fun. You know, it's a big networking event for
Speaker 1: coaches in front office people to because you know, as
Speaker 1: you're putting together when you have somebody get a job,
Speaker 1: the people they know and grant, you go through interview
Speaker 1: process and whatnot, but like some of it is just
Speaker 1: getting in front of people. Can you work with this person?
Speaker 1: You get to know people through these types of events.
Speaker 1: That's hugely valuable, um for everybody. Zaberrier was talking, We're
Speaker 1: talking about Zach Hayley yesterday talking about the various great
Speaker 1: things about the Combine and these meetings and all that.
Speaker 1: And you know, one of the good things for young
Speaker 1: coaches is like this is a great time to connect
Speaker 1: and meet people, and like coaches of all kinds, opportunities
Speaker 1: are born. Yeah, but we were talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: minority coaches and how you get some of the really
Speaker 1: good minority coaches in front of decision makers. Like this
Speaker 1: is a great place, and you know it's unfortunate that
Speaker 1: not all people send their staffs like this is really valuable.
Speaker 1: So like when like Zach was saying, I don't think
Speaker 1: like talking out of school here because it was like
Speaker 1: no secret he was like when he had to hire
Speaker 1: I think a secondary coach, like he didn't really know
Speaker 1: any he needed to do research because he knew the offer.
Speaker 1: But like this is a great place to get everyone
Speaker 1: together and meet and interconnect and mingle and like build
Speaker 1: connection for us a lot of times when we're talking
Speaker 1: about people who may not be you know, the head coaches,
Speaker 1: the gms and things like that, Like you get to
Speaker 1: know him in places like this in social settings and
Speaker 1: then you can actually speak intelligently just about what type
Speaker 1: of guys and then eventually, So Monday night, I had
Speaker 1: dinner and like one thing I always do is like
Speaker 1: I'll leave a seat at the table whatever the reservations
Speaker 1: for I'll invite one too few people because you never
Speaker 1: know who's gonna have. So the other night, a head
Speaker 1: coach just happened to be in the place, sits down
Speaker 1: with us. We're talking for you know, an hour or
Speaker 1: so with me and a couple of other people, and
Speaker 1: he starts talking about we started talking about some of
Speaker 1: the issues in terms of the minority hiring numbers and
Speaker 1: things like that. So he's like he started talking aboute
Speaker 1: guy in the staffish like this guy's so good, nobody
Speaker 1: knows about him, Like that guy should be a head coach.
Speaker 1: That's the guy should be talking about. So I connected
Speaker 1: with him at breakfast with him this morning, Like that's
Speaker 1: the stuff that happens. That's just like the unique nature
Speaker 1: of everyone's literally being in the same place all the time,
Speaker 1: and you get to know some of those people, and
Speaker 1: that's that's the only way that you kind of get
Speaker 1: to know some of those those people who are not
Speaker 1: necessarily the front line face of the organization people and
Speaker 1: will probably find his way onto your next coaching GM
Speaker 1: Canada definitely not sourceless, So let me ask you, definitely not.
Speaker 1: These are all my source the people within the leagues
Speaker 1: they should be. So this is a unique event because
Speaker 1: it's merging, you know, like the current NFL world with
Speaker 1: the future NFL world, right, and so how do you
Speaker 1: guys kind of balance the intel gathering on what's going
Speaker 1: on with teams with you know, what's going on with prospects.
Speaker 1: I think the it you know for us, like we're
Speaker 1: not you know, we're not trying to do like we
Speaker 1: we're not gonna be watching the workouts like I'll peek
Speaker 1: it like the quarterback stuff and things like that, Like
Speaker 1: I ultimately don't know what I'm looking at. So it's
Speaker 1: more about talking to people within the league, like the least, Yeah,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Are something we do on NFL network
Speaker 1: is awesome, like the on the TV and getting like
Speaker 1: the new head coaches on the set and stuff like
Speaker 1: that's super fun and I think it's great content. But
Speaker 1: in terms of like the value to clubs, most of
Speaker 1: it is not what happens in there. It's not even
Speaker 1: what happens in the stadium, right, it's the medical and
Speaker 1: it's the interviews and it's all these other things that
Speaker 1: really until you get days or weeks down the line,
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily get all the all the feedback. Again,
Speaker 1: unless somebody does something really good or really bad, you
Speaker 1: don't hear about the stuff. That's just kind of as expected.
Speaker 1: Andy and just walked off. He'll be back. He's gonna
Speaker 1: charge his phone. Um so just see you. No nobody
Speaker 1: excuse me. But in terms of this place, like, um so,
Speaker 1: my dad, who was a longtime trainer in the league,
Speaker 1: you know, had probably been here for thirty of the
Speaker 1: thirty five years that the Combine has been in Indianapolis,
Speaker 1: and I've been in the league for longer than that,
Speaker 1: and you know, loves this place as the home of
Speaker 1: the Combine. And look, staff members like that, coaches, gms
Speaker 1: creatures of habit in a big sense, and this has
Speaker 1: become such a familiarity to them. How do you feel
Speaker 1: like the teams in the team personnel are gonna adapt
Speaker 1: when and if this this does eventually change venues, Well,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a substantial adjustment. Nice. I think that
Speaker 1: you know, with Dallas that would probably be fairly similar.
Speaker 1: It would be different. Um, great restaurants in Dallas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that stadium, though, is not close to a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff any would so fi stadiums in But it's
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff you can't walk. There's not You're
Speaker 1: not just gonna walk out of the stadium and you
Speaker 1: are where you need to be and everyone you need
Speaker 1: to see. So that's some of the fundamental fabric of
Speaker 1: it is all those the interactions team team teamed agent. Well,
Speaker 1: here's the other question. Let's and I don't know the
Speaker 1: answer to this because I haven't dug that deeply into it,
Speaker 1: but let's say they move it to Dallas or l
Speaker 1: seems like certainly possible in the next couple of years.
Speaker 1: Do they do the medical off site? Because it did
Speaker 1: seem to work doing remote medicals. It's hard to get
Speaker 1: the info by the end, but everyone got it and
Speaker 1: they all shared the info. Like I wonder if they
Speaker 1: just do that here. But this why it's centralized, like
Speaker 1: you need to you know, you could everyone has doctors,
Speaker 1: everyone shares info. You could have people have to go
Speaker 1: to team facilities and do it. Team doctors all share info.
Speaker 1: You could you could make their medical remote. You can
Speaker 1: make the drills at the at the Star, you can
Speaker 1: make the dinners at the Coon Lodge. And because again
Speaker 1: this is it's just making the case. No, and there's
Speaker 1: good restaurants in now Is, but Dallas has really really
Speaker 1: good restaurants, including the best barbecue place in the world.
Speaker 1: Didn't you live in Dallas for a minute? I did
Speaker 1: three years. The medical has changed to like the process
Speaker 1: that they're using this year is a little bit different
Speaker 1: where it's one doctor is bringing each player around. It
Speaker 1: used to be you'd have, however, many rooms and with
Speaker 1: six different rooms clusters and present. Now it's one doctor
Speaker 1: goes and presents to everybody really and so then you
Speaker 1: know they can ask questions and things like that. So
Speaker 1: it's unique. It's a unique process, Like it's not literally
Speaker 1: thirty two doctors like going up and poking and problems.
Speaker 1: Although you can do that, it's like a different setting
Speaker 1: those opportunities to do it. But it is a little
Speaker 1: bit different process here. The issue with doing everything remote
Speaker 1: is your trusting local doctors. And maybe some of them
Speaker 1: are team physicians, some of them are not. Like you
Speaker 1: have thirty two different team doctors, thirty two teams with
Speaker 1: different degrees of risk tolerance. So when you're talking about
Speaker 1: some of the stuff, and take Carson Strong's knee, for example,
Speaker 1: he's got osteochondritis. He's had it since high school. Several procedures,
Speaker 1: wasn't last year, had a couple of a couple of
Speaker 1: procedures on it, says he's you know better, he told
Speaker 1: me a hundred times better in terms of his mobility
Speaker 1: now than he was during last season. But that's a
Speaker 1: unique condition. It's one that's strong and you know, his
Speaker 1: doctors don't think it's going to be an issue, but
Speaker 1: anything like that, teams are going to want to get
Speaker 1: up close look at it. So what you want to
Speaker 1: avoid then is, yeah, the local doctor said this, but
Speaker 1: we want our guy to get our hands on now,
Speaker 1: he's got to get on ten planes and away though
Speaker 1: they do with unique cases, but it would be more widespread.
Speaker 1: And that was part of the issue with that a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, was you did not have trusted medical.
Speaker 1: So again, so let's say even if you just had
Speaker 1: the medical here, but then you did the the TV
Speaker 1: aspect of it on the front stuff in l A,
Speaker 1: our team is still gonna come in the same numbers.
Speaker 1: We already have some teams not coming to this event.
Speaker 1: If the teams aren't going, some of the player is go,
Speaker 1: why would I work out when half the teams are?
Speaker 1: And then we start getting this is the line you
Speaker 1: have to kind of walk in terms of making sure
Speaker 1: that this is a functional thing for clothes with us,
Speaker 1: because if you bring everyone to l A, it's everyone
Speaker 1: comes into the studio sits down. If you get all
Speaker 1: the first round picks to go, do everything and right,
Speaker 1: it would be content for which it would it would
Speaker 1: make in our facility out there is amazing. The state
Speaker 1: was amazing, but it was great the first time you
Speaker 1: meet everyone in our officers well yeah, you still on
Speaker 1: that box on the patio deck there for the six.
Speaker 1: Locker room might be the coolest thing. Guys like great
Speaker 1: Rosenthal has a locker room. Mean, get out of here
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Speaker 1: break here an NFL Inside Report all, welcome back everybody
Speaker 1: INFL Inside Report rolling on here from the NFL Scouting
Speaker 1: Combine in Indianapolis. Lewis back here with our guys rep
Speaker 1: report and Tom Pella Sero here kind of chatting about
Speaker 1: the process of the combine, the intel gathering at the top.
Speaker 1: Here into some of that hard news as we have
Speaker 1: seen now this week that the situation in Arizona with
Speaker 1: the Cardinals has taken a ton of kind of twists
Speaker 1: and turns here with the Kyler Murray statement earlier in
Speaker 1: the week from the Agent uh and now we find
Speaker 1: out that Steve Kim and Cliff Kingsbury the head coach
Speaker 1: and GM have both been extended for another years with
Speaker 1: the organization, So it feels like that they are moving
Speaker 1: forward confidently in that brain trust. Um Ian and and
Speaker 1: then Tom would love to get your thoughts on how
Speaker 1: this kind of has all come together with the Cardinal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't sound like this was something that got
Speaker 1: hammered out last night. For instance. It sounds like this
Speaker 1: at least had been done. Uh So I would assume,
Speaker 1: knowing what I do about Eric Burkhard, who was the
Speaker 1: agent for Cliff Kingsbury and also the agent for Kyler Murray,
Speaker 1: that he probably knew they were in a good place
Speaker 1: contract wise with Cliff before doing anything with Kyler. At
Speaker 1: least to my brain, that would make some sense. Don't
Speaker 1: know that, but that would make some sense. Uh It Also,
Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of people were wanting
Speaker 1: the reaction of Kyler Murray. Would he be like pissed?
Speaker 1: Would he be like, why haven't they done me? Well,
Speaker 1: the reality is these guys helped make Kyler Murray who
Speaker 1: he is. Cliff Kingsbury's offense is part of the reason
Speaker 1: why Kyler murray plays the way he does. So, Yes,
Speaker 1: in a way, it's a little bit of like, what
Speaker 1: are they doing? Why did they do my extension? On
Speaker 1: the other hand, he knows the guys who are partly
Speaker 1: responsible for his success are going to be there for
Speaker 1: a very long time, so it's like kind of weird news,
Speaker 1: but it's also very good news for Kyler Murray because
Speaker 1: this is stability for the guy who helped make him
Speaker 1: the quarterback he is. And in terms of Kyler, he's
Speaker 1: a situation where he's seeing other guys get paid and
Speaker 1: the year three year eligible not for an extension. Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Deshaun Watson, they all got paid. So from
Speaker 1: Murray's perspective here, he's do five point five million dollars
Speaker 1: in two, which is the fourth YEARNS rookie deal. They'll
Speaker 1: obviously pick up the fifth year option too if they're
Speaker 1: on the shield done by then, Because you five point
Speaker 1: five million this fall, I do not anticipate that he's
Speaker 1: going to play for five point five million. So really
Speaker 1: the Cardinals have to decide do you ramp up the
Speaker 1: negotiations now, which is earlier in the calendar than those
Speaker 1: guys got done. Most of those extensions get done after
Speaker 1: the draft or right before training camp. Do you try
Speaker 1: to get something done right now which is going to
Speaker 1: be in line with the top but the quarterback markets,
Speaker 1: you're talking about forty million dollars plus. I don't know
Speaker 1: the specific proposal that was made by Eric Burkhardt, but
Speaker 1: certainly you would anticipate he wants to be paid like
Speaker 1: all the other guys who always get top of the market,
Speaker 1: uh type of money. Do you do that now or
Speaker 1: do you run the risk that for everything that's happened
Speaker 1: over the past couple of months, deleted Instagram photos, et cetera,
Speaker 1: how does he do that? Did you go through each
Speaker 1: photo and somebody, somebody, somebody has has to be a program.
Speaker 1: It's possible you could wash him out at any rate
Speaker 1: cutting me off there. Um, So you've obviously got some
Speaker 1: level of tension here. We've reported on, you know, Gara
Speaker 1: Folos reported on some of the things that happened, uh,
Speaker 1: you know after the season that they made very clear
Speaker 1: to him that they want more from him in terms
Speaker 1: of leadership and everything else. I find that, you know,
Speaker 1: a fascinating detail because every year we talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks in particular at this event, and so three
Speaker 1: years ago at the Combine one of the topics I
Speaker 1: was talking about on TV was about, um the leadership
Speaker 1: angle with Kyler Murray, just because he's more to himself.
Speaker 1: He hung out with the baseball players at Oklahoma, you know,
Speaker 1: a quieter guy. He had just done some awkward interviews
Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl. And I'm not saying this to
Speaker 1: be critical Kyler. The point is the Cardinals and every
Speaker 1: other team knew what he was. If you were expecting
Speaker 1: him tull sudden become Philip Rivers, that wasn't going to happen.
Speaker 1: So QB leadership. I mean, he's an effusive guy. Everybody
Speaker 1: in the building feels him all the time. That's why
Speaker 1: teams do the homework on these guys. So the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: like knew what he was going to be. Whatever growth
Speaker 1: they the owner may not think that he saw, obviously,
Speaker 1: that's something that they're hoping to get. But this comes
Speaker 1: down to one thing for Kyler Murray, which is the
Speaker 1: long term contract commitment. And he's the rare player under
Speaker 1: this c B, a who actually can carry it out
Speaker 1: if he wants to. And it's early March. If he
Speaker 1: wanted to hold out, if he wanted to force their hand,
Speaker 1: he actually could do it. Because basically the way that
Speaker 1: it works, and this is the simplest version of this,
Speaker 1: but they can go after your if you don't report
Speaker 1: on time and your missings set number of days, they
Speaker 1: can start finding you on a daily basis comes out
Speaker 1: to a million or two and finds over the course
Speaker 1: of camp, and then go after your maining bonus pergoration,
Speaker 1: which is about five million dollars for Kyler Murray. See
Speaker 1: visit there in your Kyler Murray. You're paying back about
Speaker 1: seven million dollars. You're assuming your next contract wherever that is,
Speaker 1: is gonna be a hundred million plus and then something.
Speaker 1: So you can sit there and go if you want
Speaker 1: to train wreck the Cardinals, you have the ability to
Speaker 1: do it. Again, We're very early and what you had
Speaker 1: amount to a warning shot from Eric Burkhardt that listen,
Speaker 1: if we don't get the commitment now, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: problems on your hands. It's a unique situation because he
Speaker 1: also happens to represent the head coach signs an extension um.
Speaker 1: But you know this is really it's the balls in
Speaker 1: the Cardinals court. Are they going to say, yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go, We're gonna come up or are they
Speaker 1: going to go we told you we're gonna do this
Speaker 1: in the summer, and then let Kyler Murray make the
Speaker 1: decision on what comes next. There's not a lot of
Speaker 1: precedent in our world for a quarterback going scored shirt
Speaker 1: against his own team not showing up, having to deal
Speaker 1: with it all season. We've seen quarterbacks not always show up.
Speaker 1: I think Dac was not always there in the spring.
Speaker 1: In the spring, the guys don't hold out in camp
Speaker 1: right because it's so punitive under the currency, and because
Speaker 1: their quarterbacks like it would be very unlike I can't
Speaker 1: even can you think of the last time someone came
Speaker 1: close to doing honestly can't. There have been a lot
Speaker 1: of players that have threatened it, but but like quarterbacks
Speaker 1: like Kirk Cousins never got an extension but was always
Speaker 1: sort of like I'll be fine, I'll play it, and
Speaker 1: his contract status is like legendary. I honestly can It's
Speaker 1: just not because because really I do not think from
Speaker 1: what I know that the car does have a question
Speaker 1: of should we pay Cower. I don't think that's a question.
Speaker 1: They feel confident he's They feels tremely amount of timing
Speaker 1: and level like how how much? Um? But the playoff
Speaker 1: performance wasn't great, dand of the year performance wasn't great
Speaker 1: for the second second ary year, there's leadership and contain
Speaker 1: the won the super Bowl. Let's not forget to but
Speaker 1: they beat earlier in the year, right, Yeah, But so
Speaker 1: it's it's an interesting I think they will pay him.
Speaker 1: It's not a slam dunk though, And what if they
Speaker 1: don't agree on value and then does he say I
Speaker 1: don't care that on the quarterback. I'm not going to show.
Speaker 1: It's just but the levels, like when you're talking about
Speaker 1: levels of the money and that the market is the
Speaker 1: forty million dollar a year, I mean, like are they like, okay,
Speaker 1: well we only want to give him thirty eight million dollars.
Speaker 1: I mean like it's and then the point would be
Speaker 1: if you're not going to pay him like the franchise
Speaker 1: quarterback just yawning over there, Um, if you're not gonna
Speaker 1: pay because we covered think about this to the salary
Speaker 1: cap is at two eight point something million this year
Speaker 1: right to a point two I think it is. Thanks
Speaker 1: for remembering your own reporting. Yeah, thanks, Um, it's gonna
Speaker 1: go up. We don't know what the number is going
Speaker 1: to be. But hypothetically, with gambling revenue, eighteen game extra playoff, spot,
Speaker 1: new TV deals, kicking in Amazon deal, kicking in all
Speaker 1: those things, the cap, it wouldn't shock me if the
Speaker 1: caps two hundred fifty million dollars in two years. So
Speaker 1: if you're Kyler, why would you just on principle take
Speaker 1: a deal that's not at the top of the market.
Speaker 1: In other words, because the market is going to go
Speaker 1: so far up from here, and you know, we'll have
Speaker 1: a fifty million dollar year quarterback in the not too
Speaker 1: distant future. So just from a pure economics standard, if
Speaker 1: Rogers gets done, here's the other thing. Sorry to interrupted,
Speaker 1: but you are talking very long. Um, Let's say Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodger gets done and raises the bar for quarterbacks. It
Speaker 1: actually makes sense for Kyler to wait, So I know,
Speaker 1: so you've got yeah, So you've got a motivated player
Speaker 1: who's saying, I want to get the contract now, but
Speaker 1: he's not going to take below the number, noting that
Speaker 1: the market is only going to go up in the
Speaker 1: next couple of years. Let's move on to another quarterback
Speaker 1: though here where we had some news. I mean, there
Speaker 1: was the Dak Prescott news, but it sounds like that's
Speaker 1: fairly mine. You guys agree, that's not really very well
Speaker 1: connected source in the know. And the pertinent question and
Speaker 1: he asked me Abo Dak Prescott was is he left
Speaker 1: handed and no shouldering and last year I'm sure he's fine, Okay.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo though, sounds like the shoulder surgery was something
Speaker 1: that was a bit of a surprise to kind of
Speaker 1: all parties. Yeah, so he this had been bothering him
Speaker 1: kind of down the stretch and the last couple of games,
Speaker 1: and I think the thought was that he would have
Speaker 1: surgery on his thumb and rehab his shoulder. Turns out
Speaker 1: that they believe he can rehab his thumb and needed
Speaker 1: surgery on the shoulder. And John Lynch was saying, you know,
Speaker 1: I would never describe it as minor, but he'll be
Speaker 1: fine and hopefully that is the case. But like, here's
Speaker 1: the timeline. He has surgery next week. It is a
Speaker 1: torn capsule on his throwing shoulder. He can't throw over
Speaker 1: sixteen weeks, sixteen weeks, sixteen weeks, he cannot throw. A
Speaker 1: team that trades for Jimmy Garoppolo, you say, I am
Speaker 1: trading a it's a second rounder under plus whatever it
Speaker 1: is for a guy who can't throw for sixteen weeks,
Speaker 1: the spring is shot, but he's ready for training camp
Speaker 1: even you probably everything has to everything has to be perfect,
Speaker 1: but yes, he could be ready. So barring is setback,
Speaker 1: he will be ready. So originally I'm like, well, that
Speaker 1: means that probably won't trade him in the until the
Speaker 1: summer or trade deadline, which is all possible. However, let's
Speaker 1: say you are a team that needs a quarterback and
Speaker 1: you just have to have a quarterback. Do you go
Speaker 1: there is risk, but I'm going to take it because
Speaker 1: I have to have a quarterback, right, Like if you're
Speaker 1: you know, think think about the team would be would
Speaker 1: be the you know Bucks and I can do Grappo,
Speaker 1: but um, you know, let's say Washington is it? Saints
Speaker 1: would be another one to consider, you know, the Steelers
Speaker 1: go get a veteran, Like does some team go, I'm
Speaker 1: going to pay him the money and assume the risk,
Speaker 1: but I have to know I get one before free agency. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that that's still a risk, right, So that that
Speaker 1: doesn't all of your I have to get one problem
Speaker 1: because you're not when you even if you do get him,
Speaker 1: you're not. Then if you don't, then you try to
Speaker 1: draft one you don't have one, and then you go
Speaker 1: through the season with it. Carson Wentz coming off statistically
Speaker 1: one of the worst seasons a quarterback could have karnered
Speaker 1: a essentially a first round pick and a third or
Speaker 1: fourth whatever it was, a first round pick and more
Speaker 1: coming off one of the worst seasons. So it's always,
Speaker 1: and particularly this year, a seller's market. There's so many
Speaker 1: teams that don't have an answer quarterback. There are a
Speaker 1: bunch of names who potentially could be moved, but no
Speaker 1: guarantees that they will be. So if you've got Garoppolo
Speaker 1: or maybe you've got Carson Wentz, you may get more
Speaker 1: in this market than you would other places, particularly when
Speaker 1: free agency there's not a lot of clear answers. There's
Speaker 1: guys like Marcus Mariotta, Jameis Winston, former high picks Cam Newton,
Speaker 1: but you're not looking at any of those guys, probably
Speaker 1: as this is the long term answer. Walking in mits
Speaker 1: risky might be the one who does the best out
Speaker 1: of the entire group. And then the draft and then
Speaker 1: the draft sweepstakes are going to be fascinating because you
Speaker 1: know that somebody thinks he's going to be a starter.
Speaker 1: Is this like a Mike Glennon thing? No, I mean
Speaker 1: Risky's I mean he's been a pro bowler before. Glennon
Speaker 1: had never played before the Bears gave him the million.
Speaker 1: I still think that was a huge It was more
Speaker 1: than that. Yeah, yeah, but it was eighteen guarantee. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I still think he got screwed. There was drops and
Speaker 1: there was some passes on. We're not here to debate
Speaker 1: the validity of So Trasky has had some products. Super athletic, yeah,
Speaker 1: and like young, still really young. Like I have no idea,
Speaker 1: but I would assume he signed as a starter. So Garoppolo,
Speaker 1: Trabisky WinCE if he does become available. Trabisky is the
Speaker 1: one that stands out as maybe the most attractive free agency.
Speaker 1: He probably is just because you don't give up the draft.
Speaker 1: Kick Jamis is coming off a significant injury. Mariota just
Speaker 1: has never been able to stay healthy. He's obviously very talented,
Speaker 1: so much good there that never can stay and never
Speaker 1: can stay on the field, which is why I think Cam,
Speaker 1: I mean, you saw Cam the second half of last season.
Speaker 1: He'll He'll be somewhere if he wants to be and
Speaker 1: if somebody's willing them to give him money. But if
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think he's playing for the minimum.
Speaker 1: He certainly wasn't last year. So you know, all that
Speaker 1: fits together. And then the draft, there's not anybody who's
Speaker 1: in debate for the number one pick. I mean not
Speaker 1: even close, but I mean people can't get pushed up
Speaker 1: the board. But like, there's no guarantee we'll have a
Speaker 1: quarterback taken in the top ten at this stage. I
Speaker 1: think something like somebody there's too many, too many QB
Speaker 1: needy teams in there will be process. Malik Willis seems
Speaker 1: like the one who's getting pushed up a little bit
Speaker 1: right now, but it's it's really early. So all that
Speaker 1: is to say, if you're a team that needs one,
Speaker 1: and I had this conversation with multiple head coaches this week.
Speaker 1: One of them I said, like, you know, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get a quarterback And the answer I got was, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to trade for one because you look at
Speaker 1: the draft, to look at free agency, there's no answers.
Speaker 1: So if you need a quarterback, lear wing big trades
Speaker 1: in terms I can't tell you. Well, the Bucks seem
Speaker 1: to think that the trading for any quarterback. According to
Speaker 1: Jason Lytton Bruce Arians this week is uh not going
Speaker 1: to be the easiest thing on planet Earth. It's not
Speaker 1: going to be, you know, because you have to give
Speaker 1: up so much. So who has the assets to do it?
Speaker 1: I mean the teams have multiple first round picks. The
Speaker 1: Eagles they're not going to I mean that's the certainly
Speaker 1: the message that they have been putting out that Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts is the guy. The Jets just drafted Zack Wilson.
Speaker 1: The Giants at least publicly have very much committed to
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. Mean, those are the teams with multiple high
Speaker 1: first round picks science two and thirty two. Lions would
Speaker 1: make some sense, except the Lions are financially tied to
Speaker 1: Jared Goff for another year. More like a team that
Speaker 1: could draft one rap. Yeah, I would anticipate the Lions
Speaker 1: stand in they take the best edge available at two,
Speaker 1: and then at thirty two you had a bunch of
Speaker 1: different options. They can take a quarterback like I'd receive
Speaker 1: somewhere years to be a corner. I disagree. Why I
Speaker 1: have you I have I have a very few hot takes.
Speaker 1: This is my my draft hot take that you should
Speaker 1: never take a quarterback in the second round. That's not
Speaker 1: the second round, Wines, what you're two thirty two teams?
Speaker 1: I think in the next think, I'm thinking four. I
Speaker 1: think when did they pick thirty? I was thinking I
Speaker 1: thought thirty four thirty two would make some sense. Okay,
Speaker 1: So there was expansion in the mid nineties. Remembers and
Speaker 1: the Panthers were later who heard the Browns moved to
Speaker 1: Baltimore and then they gave the Browns they gave clearly,
Speaker 1: remember was one of the coaches in Sports Illustrated did
Speaker 1: a big thing about wouldn't let his coaches were sunglasses
Speaker 1: because one of the players see the white and everybody
Speaker 1: thought that was totally normal and okay anyway, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna end on that note. And then he went to
Speaker 1: New York and one thanks fellas, that's gonna do it
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