1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to casual Friday 3 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: edition of the podcast. Even though we remain in isolation. 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: I got dressed in grown up day clothes today. I'm 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: not wearing my pajamas. Not me. Uh yeah, I just 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: feel like I get a little more done if I 7 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: get up and take a quick shower and get dressed. 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I have a closets full of 9 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: clothes I should be wearing them. Yeah, I definitely have 10 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: to put on different clothes than what I slept in, 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: but I am. I'm wearing a pair of sweatpants that 12 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: I do not wear outside of the house. Um because 13 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: they have a swear word written down the leg. Oh yeah, 14 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: I pick and choose carefully my swear clothes for where 15 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm going. But now who cares I live in my house? 16 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: Uh yeah. So this week one of the people we 17 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: talked about was Charlotte of Belgium slash Carlotta of Mexico, 18 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: and it's it's interesting. One of the things that I 19 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: that got me to land there that I did not 20 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: talk about in the episode was that I wanted to 21 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: get something that was not just European history, because we 22 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: do often tend to do a lot of that since 23 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: it has readily available sources. Of course, it still connects 24 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: very deeply to European history. But it ended up being sad, 25 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: for which I apologize. But it is one of those 26 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: things where I feel like I had never really gotten 27 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: much of her story, and it was one of those 28 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: things where I would only see quick write ups of 29 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: her as like and then she went crazy. And there 30 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: are several I have noticed that say that she went 31 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: mad after her husband death, kind of suggesting that that 32 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: was the impetus for her to kind of have her 33 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: mental illness issues, But in fact, we don't know if 34 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: she ever was definitively told that he had died. Yeah, 35 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: because there was a lot of a lot of decision 36 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: making around her that did not involve her, to try 37 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: to protect her from things that might upset her further, 38 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: which gets into a whole other ethical discussion of what 39 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: is acceptable and not in those situations. But uh, yeah, 40 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: I promised the next one I will try. If I 41 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: pick another mad Royal, I will try to find not 42 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: such a sad, sad mad Royal. Maybe we could just 43 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: find a nutty eccentric royal that likes feathers or something. 44 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: Those are definitely pretty fun. I don't know, because we 45 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: record these as soon as we're done recording the episode 46 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: that they're about. I don't really know what the order 47 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: is going to be of episodes coming out soon, but 48 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: I know the next thing I'm researching after this is Unearthed. Yeah, 49 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 1: a long time favorite part of our normal process of 50 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: things that we put on the calendar. I'm looking forward 51 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, and it's usually a little lighter air. Yeah. Uh, 52 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: there's often some uh, you know, the inevitable racism of 53 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: history to untangle in it, but it's still usually tends 54 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: to be a little more upbeat, So yeah, I'll be good. 55 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: It's one of those things too where we talked about 56 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: it a little before we started recording, that there are 57 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: these people you realize how much like the dots all 58 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: start to connect throughout history, particularly like even uh, we 59 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: have an upcoming episode are We just had our episode 60 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: on render Pest, which was going on at the same 61 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: time as all of this car Latta and US Civil 62 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: War stuff for part of it, and I had this 63 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: moment while we were talking about it, and I was like, oh, 64 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: it's all connected, like, which is really what you learn 65 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: the more you study history, is that everything connects to 66 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: everything else and impacts it in ways that you're not 67 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: always conscious of. Yep. Uh. The other thing that we 68 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: talked about this week, which I think is a little 69 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: peppier uh, is uh Dominique Jean Larrey, who I adore openly. Yeah. 70 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: He's one of those people that I admire in history 71 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: because he's everything I am not right like he Um. 72 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: They every description of him talks about how even like 73 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: literally while treating men on the battlefield with bullets whizzing 74 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 1: around his head, he was always very efficient and quick, 75 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: but also very calm and soothing, whereas I would be like, um, 76 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: that's how I would be, And I just He's one 77 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: of those people we we don't think about very often. 78 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: I did not know much about him at all. I 79 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: had heard the name, but I didn't realize his import 80 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: in terms of like we are still benefiting from his 81 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: insights and his work and his very careful approach to 82 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: medicine and his very thoughtful approach to how people should 83 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: be treated. Yeah. I mean, we talked about some of 84 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: the same ideas in the episode about the establishment of 85 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: the Red Cross. Yeah. Um. And and moves to call 86 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: for like international human rights standards about like not attacking 87 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: hospitals during wartime um, which, of course hospitals still get 88 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: attacked during wartime in spite of that, but like having 89 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 1: a whole humanitarian focus on people who are treating the 90 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: injured need to not be attacked by enemy combatants while 91 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: they're doing their job. Yeah. Yeah. So he was preaching 92 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: that particular ideology way before any of it was ever 93 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: um passed into any sort of law or resolution. Uh. 94 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: And he really did instill in the doctors that worked 95 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: under him that same ethic of like I don't I 96 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: don't care that that's a Russian soldier, that's a person 97 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: that needs our help. You're a doctor first, Yeah, which 98 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: I really finding correctly admirable, especially when you consider how 99 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: much of a shift that was to the norm. It 100 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: says a lot I think about his personality that it 101 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like he got a whole lot of pushback 102 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: on that, or like he set the rules and people 103 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: were like okay, um, which is pretty cool. Yeah. And 104 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: just in general, the overall tone of the episode is 105 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: basically the opposite of any other time we talked about 106 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: the Napoleonic Wars, right, Yeah. I didn't get into like 107 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: the politics of of Napoleon, although he was very loyal 108 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 1: to Napoleon, which comes into his own question marks, and uh, 109 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: you know, Napoleon clearly adored him as well. I read 110 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: one piece where he was compared to Napoleon as like 111 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: Napoleon was like the king of generals and he was 112 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: the king of battlefield medicine, and I was like, that's 113 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: an interesting, um, you know, way to look at it. 114 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, but he certainly was. I mean, it's 115 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: so influential when we think about like triage in particular, 116 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: that whole system remains in place, and the way that 117 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: he set up his divisions very similar. It's going to 118 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: sound like a weird comparison, but very similar in my 119 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: mind to the way uh, professional kitchen is laid up, 120 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: where like everybody has their their rules in the chain 121 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: of command, everybody knows what's going on. They're all working 122 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: sort of independently, but reporting up under a person. Except 123 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: the steaks are super high, which I think probably also 124 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: engenders a lot of trust. At that point among the divisions, 125 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: everyone that worked with him seemed to have adored him. 126 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: I rooted around forever and could not find anybody criticizing him, 127 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: which is a nice feel good story for our times. 128 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: And also, I mean, the thing that led me to 129 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: it I said at the top of the episode was 130 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: that we are in a time where medical personnel are 131 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: at the forefront of the news a lot, and I 132 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: think anytime we can applaud them and appreciate their efforts 133 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: always a good thing. So this is, in in a 134 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: small way, my way of thanking them. 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