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Speaker 1: If New Vergine new Quarterbacks in the building. A new

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Speaker 1: podcast is hitting the Washington Commanders podcast network. What's going on, y'all?

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Speaker 1: I am Zach Selby, senior writer for the Washington Commanders,

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Speaker 1: and this is the Beatdown where we do one thing

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Speaker 1: sports fans love to do, argue and like to pretend

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Speaker 1: which one of us is right with me?

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Speaker 2: Is?

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Speaker 1: David Harrison and Lake Lewis Junior, they cover, They cover

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Speaker 1: the beat for us for the Commanders and guys like

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Speaker 1: y'all the first first guests on this podcast, how a

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Speaker 1: were feeling right now?

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Speaker 3: Feel special?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 2: Big love? Yeah, Man, appreciate it. Should it should be

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Speaker 2: a lot of fun.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to uh to handing Lake and old

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Speaker 4: fashioned big ten style beat down.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 1: Love it, okay, love love the trash shock.

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Speaker 2: I love hearing it.

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Speaker 1: It's like, just within like five seconds, y'all already had

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Speaker 1: each other.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you bought a ringer in man.

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Speaker 3: David covered the bucks before, so he's a ringer.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like I play that out almost. Of course

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Speaker 1: you give too much credit, but I feel like maybe

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Speaker 1: that was in the cards. So I'll give you a

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Speaker 1: little bit of what I expect out of this podcasts,

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Speaker 1: I haven't given me too much. So we're gonna answer

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Speaker 1: three questions over the course of the next thirty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Y'all gonna each present your cases, and we're going to

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Speaker 1: provide some points sort of like around the horn, but

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Speaker 1: almost like who's on it anyway, where the point doesn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily matter how much Bay. It's my podcast. I can

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Speaker 1: decide who's right and who's wrong. Right, So, and obviously

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Speaker 1: we're gonna focus on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers since it

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Speaker 1: is our Week one opponent. And guys, if you're ready,

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Speaker 1: we can go ahead and get started.

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Speaker 2: We'll start.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of new stuff that's going to

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Speaker 1: be happening with the Commanders this this this weekend, new defense,

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Speaker 1: new offense. But we're gonna talk specifically to starting with

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Speaker 1: the defense here, and the Tampa Bay offense led by

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Speaker 1: Baker may Field kind of came on there near at

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Speaker 1: the end of the year with canals there as the

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Speaker 1: off the cordior now obviously the head coach of the

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Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers, but there's going to be you know, a

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Speaker 1: playoff team on the other sideline there for the Commander's defense, Lake,

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Speaker 1: I'll start with you, what do you think is the

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Speaker 1: biggest challenge is commander defense, which really struggled last year

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Speaker 1: So based on what we've seen in training camp, what

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Speaker 1: is gonna be their biggest challenge heading against the Tampa

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 3: Listen, the biggest challenge for Washington obviously is going to

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Speaker 3: at what Mike Evans has done against Washington and five

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Speaker 3: so you know who's going to cover him. Is it

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Speaker 1: You know, you bring up Mike Evans, and that's an

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Speaker 1: excellent point because Mike Evans has been in the league

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Speaker 1: thousand yard seasons he's had in his career? Ten Like

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know that that's certainly a good place to start,

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Speaker 4: and I think Mike Evans obviously deserves all his flowers

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Speaker 4: and he's going to be a big part of this contest.

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Speaker 4: But I'm actually going to take something that Lake said

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Speaker 4: a Chris Godwin slot match up with Mike Sanders. Still

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Speaker 4: like Mike Sandersoll has done a lot since he's joined

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Speaker 4: But there are just some things in this game that

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Speaker 2: Right place to do. And that's a size difference.

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Speaker 4: And Chris Godwin is significantly taller than Mike Sanders. Still

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Speaker 4: now Mike sanderstill plays bigger, and certainly that's going to

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Speaker 4: to be how much can the Washington Commarors defense leave

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Speaker 4: the trickle down economics of that is that could potentially

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Speaker 2: If Mike sanders So can hold his.

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Speaker 4: Own against Chris Godwin, which I think he certainly has

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Speaker 2: And if Mike wins that matchup, it really.

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Speaker 4: Opens up the commander's defense to be more creative, more aggressive,

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Speaker 2: But the tighter they have to shrink.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, we'll with zero in on Mike

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Speaker 1: but he already plays like a veteran. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm thinking of that play against the Jets

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Speaker 1: and you mentioned the passing game, but like, do you know,

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Speaker 1: like what what this was committed passing defense? Whether it

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think David hit on it.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's a it's a great point, you know,

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Speaker 3: State got some love you know on Godwin. You know,

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Speaker 3: a key proponent to what this defense can ultimately do,

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Speaker 3: not just you know, you know Sunday, but going forward.

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Speaker 3: You know, if he can lock down the middle of

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Speaker 3: So I do think that that is important. But again,

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Speaker 3: you know, I still greave what I say as far

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Speaker 3: as just Mike Evans. He's torched Washington over the years,

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Speaker 3: He's torched a lot of teams, but specifically, the commanders

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Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield is going to look for the guy. You know,

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Speaker 3: why wouldn't you look for a potential Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 3: other thing I would say, guys, is a pass rush.

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Speaker 3: Washington has to get a pass rush. They have to

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Speaker 3: he's the confidence quarterback. When he's feeling good, he actually

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Speaker 4: I think you got to do something that I've been

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Speaker 2: Zech move the pocket. You drafted Jade Daniels.

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Speaker 4: More so than anything like that, the biggest discriminator between

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Speaker 4: That's something you need your quarterback to do. Jayden Daniels

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you brought up the pocket movement because

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Speaker 3: fans will remember him because they wanted him to get.

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Speaker 2: Drafted a couple of years back.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's a stout guy that can hold up

437
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Speaker 3: the line. But I feel really good as far as

438
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Speaker 3: the interior portion of Washington's offensive line, you know, with

439
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Speaker 3: the additions of Beatas and then Nick Alagretti and you

440
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Speaker 3: know obviously Sam Kyles mean you just got the bag

441
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Speaker 3: yesterday on the contract extension, I think that that interior

442
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Speaker 3: portion of Washington's line is clearly going to be their strength,

443
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Speaker 3: and that helps them against a guy like vi to Bay.

444
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Speaker 3: But I think if you look at Tampa's defense, you know,

445
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Speaker 3: the two guys in the back to me a really

446
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Speaker 3: good George whitehead man, Antoine Winfield Junior. You know, those

447
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Speaker 3: guys are to me the glue to Tampa's defense. And

448
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Speaker 3: it's ironic because those are the guys that Jaden's going

449
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Speaker 3: to have to attack with the deep ball to keep

450
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Speaker 3: them back, you know, to open up the run game,

451
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Speaker 3: do different things like that. So again, should they move

452
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Speaker 3: the pocket, Absolutely, I think they will, think David hit

453
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Speaker 3: on that right on the head. They're going to utilize

454
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Speaker 3: Jaden's strengths. But let's not confuse ourselves, guys. He's not

455
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Speaker 3: a running quarterback first. He's a pocket passer who happens

456
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Speaker 3: to have dynamic wills and he does take off and

457
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Speaker 3: I think if they give him the green light to

458
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Speaker 3: take off when he needs to, you're you're going to

459
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Speaker 3: see this dynamic player that everyone's looking forward to watching.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's one of the things we've

461
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Speaker 1: seen the most in training camp was, Yeah, we all

462
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Speaker 1: knew that he had his disability. We still haven't really

463
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Speaker 1: seen what Jane can do with his legs because he's

464
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Speaker 1: been so conservative with that. But who he is as

465
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Speaker 1: a passer has been just so impressive, and you saw

466
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Speaker 1: as training can't progress, they kind of let him uncork

467
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Speaker 1: these passes. It's a little bit more because he does

468
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Speaker 1: he didn't have the strongest wrong in the world, but

469
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Speaker 1: he does have a pretty decent arm to go to

470
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Speaker 1: to launch these passes down field. We saw a little

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Speaker 1: bit of that with theanmy Brown against the Jets. But

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Speaker 1: you know, david'll'll pose this to you. And I mean,

473
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Speaker 1: Cliff obviously wants to make sure that he has some

474
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Speaker 1: easy reads, right he doesn't. You don't want to throw

475
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Speaker 1: all these compcit looks at him immediately. But to to

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Speaker 1: Lake's point, at some point, you do have to let

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Speaker 1: him do what he does best. So how do you

478
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Speaker 1: think Cliff is going to balance the terms of Okay,

479
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Speaker 1: we need to give him some easier legs versus okay,

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Speaker 1: let's just go ahead and let's let's let's let him

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Speaker 1: try this contested pass downfield of Terry, Like, how do

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Speaker 1: you balance the conservative versus just letting the guy loose

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Speaker 1: and letting him play the way he wants to play.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think, honestly, I think Jayden has

485
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Speaker 4: kind of proven himself to be a smart decision maker

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Speaker 4: to the point where he kind of has.

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Speaker 2: That ability to make that decision for himself.

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Speaker 4: And then you go back to that first preseason game

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Speaker 4: of the year, and granted, he wasn't supposed.

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Speaker 2: To check out of that screen that he checked.

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Speaker 4: Out of, but obviously he felt like he could get

492
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Speaker 4: away with it if he did it, and he did

493
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Speaker 4: check into the big shot, he took it. Deanmy Brown

494
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Speaker 4: was able to come up with the pass smile into

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Speaker 4: the to the zide line. Now, I'm sure you know,

496
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Speaker 4: there was a little bit of a conversation probably had,

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Speaker 4: you know, later on, like hey, this is why we

498
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Speaker 4: want you to do this stuff and all these things.

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Speaker 4: But I think that that just kind of shows you

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Speaker 4: how much Jaden has confidence in himself and his teammates,

501
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Speaker 4: but also how much he understands what he is allowed.

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Speaker 2: He has left and right limits, so to speak, within

503
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Speaker 2: this offense.

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Speaker 4: So I think even the Cliff is coming out there

505
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Speaker 4: and calling a conservative, you know game for Jaden initially,

506
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Speaker 4: you know, to get the rookie comfortable and all that

507
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Speaker 4: stuff that Jayden sees a shot or sees an opportunity

508
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Speaker 4: that he is comfortable. Again if the if the entire

509
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Speaker 4: mindset is, let's make sure our quarterback is comfortable. If

510
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Speaker 4: he if he looks down the line of scrimmage, and

511
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Speaker 4: you know, don't want to give away too much. We

512
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Speaker 4: we't see in training camp, but if you see seventeen

513
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Speaker 4: lined up across from Bucks twenty seven in single high,

514
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Speaker 4: in a single high look in pressman coverage, I mean,

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Speaker 4: I don't gotta tell you in lake what probably is

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Speaker 4: gonna happen, but it's gonna it's probably gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: Uh. And my guys, I am a calm over there.

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Speaker 2: You know. I love that dude, but it's it's that's

519
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Speaker 2: not a good that's not a good situation for him

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Speaker 2: in that in that look.

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Speaker 4: So you know, if my quarterback is comfortable checking into something, uh,

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Speaker 4: that that takes advantage of that look, then I would

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Speaker 4: be comfortable with him, you know what I'm saying, if

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Speaker 4: I trust him, and I think every sign we've seen

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Speaker 4: from this staff, again, he checked into another play against

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Speaker 4: the Miami Dolphants. So it's not like he checked into

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Speaker 4: the play against the Jets that he wasn't necessarily supposed

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Speaker 4: to check into and then got his hands flapped and

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Speaker 4: then didn't check it in anymore. So whatever conversations happened

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Speaker 4: behind the scenes, it didn't result in, Hey, dude, you're

531
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Speaker 4: not allowed to check out of these things because it's

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Speaker 4: part of the design. It's all built in there, and

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Speaker 4: it's I think it's I don't know, I can't quantify, right,

534
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Speaker 4: I don't. I can't tell you how many teams out

535
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Speaker 4: of thirty to do this, But I feel like it's

536
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Speaker 4: it's fairly rare for a rookie quarterback to have that

537
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Speaker 4: kind of decision making leeway, and I think it's really cool.

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Speaker 4: I think it's really cool, and it's it's indicative of

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Speaker 4: how much they trust Jane to make those calls when

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Speaker 4: when you need to, and the better they are, Adam,

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Speaker 4: I think the more Cliffill dial up himself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I really do like that event. Jayden

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Speaker 1: and this coaching staff is like they're very collaborative with

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Speaker 1: with him. They're not lessarily saying Okay, you have to

545
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Speaker 1: do this our way or it's not going to work.

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Speaker 1: They're very much less saying, Okay, if you see a look,

547
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Speaker 1: you know, don't be afraid to check into it. And

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Speaker 1: they trust him because he's he developed that trust with him,

549
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Speaker 1: like he's shown that he knows this system. And again,

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Speaker 1: on top of that, we haven't really even seen what

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Speaker 1: this system is going to look like completely. We've seen

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Speaker 1: a lot of the vanilla stuff, but at the same time,

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Speaker 1: we haven't really seen all that Cliff Kingsbury is going

554
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Speaker 1: to throw out throw the Buccaneers for obvious reasons, so

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited to see what they do what they

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Speaker 1: do with that. All right, guys, we have five minutes

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Speaker 1: left in this thing and the score is tied between

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Speaker 1: US ten ten, and we're going to keep this. This question,

559
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Speaker 1: this last question is really simple. Give me your base

560
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Speaker 1: best case for one player who must have a good

561
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Speaker 1: game for Washington to beat the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Sunday. David,

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Speaker 1: we'll start with you first.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna stick in the big ten here,

564
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Speaker 4: and I'm gonna go with Kwon Martin. And I know

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Speaker 4: the quarterbacks, the low hanging through the O line as

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Speaker 4: a group.

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Speaker 2: Is obviously going to be important.

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Speaker 4: But I look at this Buccaneers offense, and I've said

569
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Speaker 4: this on some other podcasts in my years of covering

570
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Speaker 4: or writing about or talking about the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,

571
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Speaker 4: this is the most dynamic offense I've ever seen in Tampa.

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Speaker 4: It's not the best quarterback ever, so the best tight

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Speaker 4: end ever. It is the best wide receiver group ever.

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Speaker 4: And the offensive line isn't, you know, even as good

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Speaker 4: as the old line they had when they made the

576
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Speaker 4: run of the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: But all the pieces together holistically.

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Speaker 4: And with what Liam Cohen, their new offensive coordinator, has

579
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Speaker 4: done historically in his time with the Rams and even

580
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Speaker 4: the one you're spent in Kentucky.

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Speaker 2: This is the most dynamic offense.

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Speaker 4: And the thing that you can't prepare for the most

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Speaker 4: in training can preseason defensively is tackling.

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Speaker 2: And that's usually in the beginning of the season.

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Speaker 4: If you see like this great defense falter against a

586
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Speaker 4: lesser opponent, it's usually because the tackling is not on

587
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Speaker 4: point yet because they can't practice him as much. Right, So,

588
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Speaker 4: I look at this commander's defense is Buccaneers offense, and

589
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Speaker 4: guys like Rashad White, who comes out of Arizona State,

590
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Speaker 4: who I consider the Penn State of the Big twelve.

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Speaker 2: If he gets loose, if he's allowed to shake that first.

592
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Speaker 4: Tackle attempt, Kwan Martin's gonna be a guy that's gonna

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Speaker 4: be back there to help clean that up. You look

594
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Speaker 4: at the pass game, Mike Evans on his deep shots.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people look at my get him just

596
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Speaker 4: a big, tall, long dude. He's got deceptive speed even

597
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Speaker 4: at his agent, even as his experience.

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Speaker 2: We already talked about the slot. If Chris Godwin's able

599
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Speaker 2: to get free.

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Speaker 4: There's got to be that last line of defense to

601
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Speaker 4: make sure that fifteen yard games don't turn into big touchdowns.

602
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Speaker 4: Eight yard games don't turn into fifteen yard games. The

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Speaker 4: Buccaneers are going to make some play. So this is

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Speaker 4: a playoff team, back to back to back division champion.

605
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Speaker 4: Yes it's the NFC South, but still hard to win

606
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Speaker 4: your division in the NFL. I don't care what division

607
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Speaker 4: you're in. They've got talent. We know that they're going

608
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Speaker 4: to do some things. We know that, but the Washington

609
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Speaker 4: commanders that they can force them to stend drives like

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Speaker 4: your goal needs to be no drives less than eight

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Speaker 4: plays minimum.

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Speaker 2: That's minimum. You have to make Baker maybe go in there.

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Speaker 4: Because the thing about Baker too is even in his

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Speaker 4: career year last year, he'll throw some mistakes. He'll make

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Speaker 4: some mistakes. He'll give you opportunities, and Joey Junior is

616
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Speaker 4: going to lose his mind if they don't take advantage

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Speaker 4: of at least two or three of them.

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Speaker 2: But those opportunities are gonna come. To get off the field,

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Speaker 2: they've got to do that.

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Speaker 4: But it starts with making the Bucks stay on the

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Speaker 4: field in the first place. For those opportunities to come,

622
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Speaker 4: and I look at Kwan Martin as that last line

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Speaker 4: of defense back there. So I think if he has

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Speaker 4: a best game of his NFL career, you know, it's

625
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Speaker 4: relatively short, so I think we can go that far.

626
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Speaker 4: If he has the best game of his short NFL career,

627
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Speaker 4: this team has a chance to contain the Buccaneers offense,

628
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Speaker 4: which will help the Commanders offense and allow them to

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Speaker 4: be more comfortable with what they're trying to do.

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Speaker 1: All right, Lake, give give me your best take. Who

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Speaker 1: you think is gonna have the best game to beat

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Speaker 1: the Buccaneers on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: You know, this is kind of a you know, an

634
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Speaker 3: obvious thing, and I agree with David. You know, I

635
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Speaker 3: do think Kwan Martin is huge. Actually, was gonna go

636
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Speaker 3: Jarem on the defensive side for the overall the overall thing.

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Speaker 3: For me, I think Washington has to be able to

638
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Speaker 3: run in the football. They have to, So I'm gonna

639
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Speaker 3: go with Brian Robinson and Austin Eckler. I think, you know,

640
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Speaker 3: as a dual threat, you'll finally get a chance to

641
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: see both these guys in action and how they can

642
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 3: compliment each other's games. Both can catch the ball out

643
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Speaker 3: the back field too. Surprisingly, Brian Robinson showed that last

644
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Speaker 3: year under Erik the Enemy that he could catch the

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Speaker 3: football at a high rate. So I think as long

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Speaker 3: as Washington can run the football, it kind of takes

647
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Speaker 3: some of the pressure off Jadan in his first ever start.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think it can open up things for

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Speaker 3: Jaden as well, because obviously, if you're running the football effectively,

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Speaker 3: you're kind of controlling the line of scrimmage. And let's

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Speaker 3: face it, you guys, if you're going to start a

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Speaker 3: left tackle, and Brandon Foeman his first ever NFL game,

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Speaker 3: if he does start at left tackle, which I think

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Speaker 3: David and myself in you'sac think he will, you know,

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Speaker 3: that's something that can help his game too, because face it,

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Speaker 3: if you're asking rookies and you know, these younger players

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Speaker 3: to go immediately in the pass pro, you know that

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Speaker 3: stuff kind of can mess them up early in the game.

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Speaker 3: But if you can get them lathered up and get

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Speaker 3: them a fill for the game by running the football effectively,

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00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: it can open up things for the past game. So

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Speaker 3: for me, if Brian Robinson can have one of these

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Speaker 3: games where he doesn't have to get a hundred yards,

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Speaker 3: but if he can get seventy yards on the ground,

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Speaker 3: you know, an additional twenty plus, you know, as far

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Speaker 3: as dump down or something like that in the past game.

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Speaker 3: I think obviously with Austin Eckler, Eckler can get you

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Speaker 3: twenty five yards running and maybe you know, on the

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Speaker 3: other end, gets you thirty yards in the past game.

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Speaker 3: I think this fares very well for Washington in a

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Speaker 3: game that I think we all think is going to

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Speaker 3: be a close, closely for football game. That running game

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Speaker 3: could be the catalyst that as Washington leave Tampa with

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Speaker 3: the w You.

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Speaker 1: Know, normally I would knock you for giving two answers

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Speaker 1: at once there, but I think the way the way

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Speaker 1: that they've the way they've pretty much propped up b

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Speaker 1: Rob and Eckler at the duo is so appropriate because

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Speaker 1: like they very much are a one a one beat

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Speaker 1: just because they offer something very different. You know, you

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Speaker 1: have Eckler with with the outside runs, but you have

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Speaker 1: Irob who can who can do that, but more of

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Speaker 1: a bruiser can can hit those of those holes down downfield.

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Speaker 1: And David, I love the point that you you you

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Speaker 1: brought up about Kwan and tackling I think it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be so key, especially what the Steven showed last year.

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Speaker 1: And I love the way Kawan Martin has developed this offseason.

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Speaker 1: But I gotta get I gotta go with Lake here

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Speaker 1: with this is it was it was so so it

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Speaker 1: was so excellent. Bit a point considering that this is

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Jaden's first start, you need to establish a solid

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Speaker 1: run game. So Lake, you are the first winner of

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Speaker 1: the beat Down Podcast. Do you have any any any

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Speaker 1: victory words that you'd like to to part on this here?

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Speaker 3: Well, listen, man, David's my brother man and and and

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Speaker 3: you know, literally one of the best out out there

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Speaker 3: doing this thing. So you know, it's it's all love

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Speaker 3: as long as I know, uh, you know, he's gonna

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Speaker 3: wear some blue next week.

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Speaker 2: We're good. I'm actually wearing blue today. Bro Okay.

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Speaker 4: And you know what, for the record, I agree b

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Speaker 4: Rob and Austin Eckler. That's one a one like that

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Speaker 4: is that is like that's the running back position group.

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Speaker 4: But don't sleep on Jeremy McNichols. He was drafted by

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Speaker 4: Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It's not it's not a revenge game.

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Speaker 4: Like the staff is gone, that drafted him, all that

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Speaker 4: kind of stuff. But you know, for a guy that

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Speaker 4: has ended up being a journeyman the way that Jeremy

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Speaker 4: mc nichols has been, you know that there's just there's

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Speaker 4: got to be just a human part of him that

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00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 4: wants to win. Whatever opportunities he gets to play, even

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Speaker 4: if it's on special teams, make a splash play out there,

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Speaker 4: just go out into Raymond James Stadium, in the stadium

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Speaker 4: that you started your career in, and then have a

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Speaker 4: good day and help your team win. So you know

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Speaker 4: that running back group as a whole certainly going to

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Speaker 4: be critical for this game.

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Speaker 3: And it seems like they've been hot in Austin all summer,

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Speaker 3: just just waiting for this type of game where you know,

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Speaker 3: he's a veteran, he's been around, he knows obviously. Coach

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Speaker 3: Lynn is his coach here now his position coach. So

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Speaker 3: you just this game reeks of an Austin Eckler red

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Speaker 3: zone touchdown somehow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you bring up Jeremy mc nichols, I will point

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Speaker 1: out the day one I said, the Jeremy mc nichols froster.

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Speaker 1: Just just just go throw that out there for you,

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Speaker 1: all right, guys, you know, we're gonna see one unfolds

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Speaker 1: in week one. I feel they've been waiting this for years,

729
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: but finally we're gonna see Jade and Daniels inaction in

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Speaker 1: a real game where the bullets are gonna be flying.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be fantastic no matter what happens. I think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be very competitive either way. Uh but but guys,

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you coming on.

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Speaker 2: Lake.

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Speaker 1: You will have a chance to keep your title, David.

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Speaker 1: You will have a chance to get some revenge here

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Speaker 1: later on the season. We'll have a rotating cast of

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Speaker 1: all the beat requarters over the next you know, a

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Speaker 1: few months or so. But it's gonna be a great

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Speaker 1: season either way. But guys, I really appreciate you coming

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Speaker 1: out and this has been the beat down