1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: Radio radio radio commies, a myth and bullshit, A radiophonic 2 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 1: novella Look at Radio hosted by Malamn. Welcome back to 3 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: look at that our radio. This is Diosa and this 4 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: is Mala. Thank you once again for tuning in to 5 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: get another radio. We are so excited to be recording 6 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: thirty two today. And today we're not recording at Radio 7 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: Espasio like we usually do. We're on location. Yeah, and 8 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: just to remind our listeners and any new listeners what 9 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: local radio is all about. We are a radiophonic novella. 10 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: Are having the brilliance and legacies of women in films 11 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: of color. And today we are actually recording straight out 12 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: of the Belladonna headquarters. We have here Natalia and Lalla 13 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: rom Marrow, the co founders and creative directors of Belladonna, 14 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: everybody's favorite lifestyle brand rooted in culture, nostalgic of nineties 15 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: l a for around the way girls did the most. 16 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: But what up, guys, So thank you so much for 17 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: having us and for having us over your your space 18 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: is so cute. By the way, the Belladonna headquarters, which 19 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: you're moving, Yes, it's our final final days here turning 20 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: down the day, so we gotta make usage of the space. 21 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: Came through. I love the space, it's so cute. So 22 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: we wanted to, you know, have you one of course 23 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: number one because we love Belladonna. Um Yosa and I 24 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: have both been like Belladonna like customers and fan girls 25 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: for a few years. Actually we were before we started recording. 26 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: We pulled up an old picture from two thousands fifteen 27 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: of um one of my favorite Belladonna pieces, which is 28 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: the black tank with the eha um script and the 29 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: crop tank, the cropt tank, and my favorite I had. 30 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: I had the miha shirt and I had the Muneka shirt, 31 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: the munka crop um from a couple of years ago. 32 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: So that's where I first saw Belladonna. When I saw 33 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: those shirts, I was like, I need them, I need 34 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 1: to follow I need to know what this brand is 35 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: all about, because this is I don't think I had 36 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 1: seen really like a lot of other shirts like that 37 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: I had seen in the past. My dad used to 38 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,399 Speaker 1: buy us a lot of um I don't know where 39 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: he would get them, but he would come home with 40 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: like unmarked like plastic bags with these shirts that said 41 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: like educated Chicana. You know those shirts that you whever 42 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: the fun he would find them. So when I saw 43 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: the Miha and Muka, it was very reminiscent of those 44 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: types of those types of shirts that my my dad, 45 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: the Odi Chicano, would always buy for us. That's why 46 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: I love Belladonna and then the ASA. What are your 47 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: memory either, when did you first find out about Belladonna? Um? 48 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: I can't remember how I stumbled across the Instagram page, 49 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: but I do remember one of the first shirts that 50 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 1: the few shirts that I bought from y'all was the 51 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 1: Balletta Princess the War Paint and then then not Your Higha. 52 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: They were super cute. Remember y'all were having a sale 53 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: and I was like, all right, here's my chance. I'm 54 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: going to buy all the shirts I've been eyeing. UM. 55 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: And then I just love the way that y'all would 56 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: um all the photo shoots that that y'all would have 57 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: you Lag in particular, I remember you had this um 58 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: you were wearing the art Labo shirt, the crop and 59 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: you have like your hair done in curls and you're 60 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 1: like holding like a red phone. Oh it was in 61 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: my house and actually when were you still live together? 62 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: Like girl girl, no budget, no resources, you got to 63 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: wing it. You gotta figure that ship out. So like, 64 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: you know, like in the beginning, a lot of those 65 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: shoots we would just do in my apartment with our phones, 66 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: like trying to figure out like what like where's the 67 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: good lighting. Luckily she has a photography background, so she 68 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: was able to, like you know, art direct a little more. 69 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: She'd be like put don like like Okay, this is 70 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: what it's gonna do. She would do my makeup, she 71 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: would do my hair, she would do all of it. 72 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, that was like that was in the It's 73 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: so funny because it seems like so long ago, but 74 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: what was it like two thousands, you know, because that 75 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: was the year I graduate. I did graduated from undergrad 76 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: and then over the summer you had like a you 77 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: did like a call for models because you were doing 78 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: a video shoot um for one of your music videos. 79 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: And then I hit you all up and I was 80 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: like pick me. I love y'all, I'm going to be 81 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: in l A. This is why Yasha fuck with me. 82 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: And then you did message me back and you were 83 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: like come through and it was a lot of fun. 84 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: It was super medic Taco here appropriate the one on 85 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: Third Street. I think, Yeah, yeah, I know. The fun 86 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: part about that story is, um, you know the model 87 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: call outs. Like when I first started doing music, that 88 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: was always how I would get girls to be in 89 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: my videos. You know, I really wanted to kind of 90 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: like leverage my MySpace page and figure out a way 91 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: how like, you know, did us make space for us 92 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: to bring girls that grew up like me, girls that 93 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: look like us onto you know, m like when those 94 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: platforms were really popping, right, But yeah, it was so 95 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: and and it just makes everything feel so much more 96 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: fun because I feel like a lot of times at 97 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: our shoots and those early music video shoots, like girls 98 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: would make lifelong friends. Like you know, you get to 99 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: like actually still follow the girls that I met. Yeah, 100 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: I still follow one of them in particular, she's a 101 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: makeup artists. That's crazy. It's really funny. We have our 102 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: favorite restaurant that we go to, um here in the 103 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: San Fernando Valley, and actually, um, one of the men 104 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: who's worked there, who's worked there in my whole life. 105 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: It's like a family restaurant that we'd always stopped by. 106 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: I shot a video in like two thousand six called 107 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: Sad Girl and His Daughters were in the video, and 108 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: he's kind of like the I don't want to he's 109 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: not a bus boy because he's not a boy. He's 110 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: a grown ass man, you know what I mean. But 111 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: he's like, you know, it just helps around the restaurant. 112 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: And so I've been friends with him our whole life. 113 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: And to see his little tiny girls were in that 114 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: video now other really grown as women with babies. Yeah, 115 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: it's just really crazy. But it's just been fun to like, 116 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: you know, you just really told your age we're grown 117 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: women doing ship since two thousand and five, two thousand six. 118 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: You know you can put those nuss together, um, but yeah, 119 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: I know, it's just really cool to see, you know 120 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: what I mean, the friendships that you can make at 121 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: like you know, shoots like that by just doing al 122 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: out on social media. And I love how you bring 123 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: up you bring up you know, like these are such 124 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: major throwbacks that you just mentioned, I mean my Space 125 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: and tre and the other the other like way that 126 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: we've been introduced to you blad last through your music, 127 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: like you've been mentioning so like I remember watching the 128 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: Home Girls music video come out on TV, and then 129 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: I remember hearing Sprung on a thug um, and so 130 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: I want to ask you, like maybe you can tell 131 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,679 Speaker 1: us a little bit more about your journey and going 132 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: from making music to getting into Vella Donna and fashion 133 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: and everything else that that you. I mean, I'm gonna 134 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: do the short version, so just wrapped me up. Okay, 135 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: very long. But I grew up here in the San 136 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: Fernando Valley, like in the Havanas Panorama City area, very 137 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: kind of like traditional chicken a household. I have four sisters. 138 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: My family did not have a lot of money. I think, 139 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: like the best way to sum up the situation and 140 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: be like I didn't have my own bed until I 141 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: went away to college. Like it was just a family 142 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: where we shared everything at all times. Right. Um. So 143 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: then I went to UCSB um where they also went. Um. 144 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: I struggled a lot at school, like you know, like 145 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: financially it was so straining, like I didn't have the 146 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: means were like the family to really be able to 147 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: help with all of that stuff. But um, I was 148 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: at Chickeno Studies major and then I had like a 149 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: crazy anxiety kind of like breakdown um my sophomore year 150 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: and I was just like it just wasn't the place 151 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: for me, I couldn't find my rhythm. Um, it was 152 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: really difficult, especially like coping with the anxiety. So I 153 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: was like, you know what, and I kind of knew, 154 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: like I had my intention set on music. I knew 155 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to make music. I felt like the easiest 156 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: way to reach like the world with a message is 157 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: literally through a song, you know, like that's a very 158 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: quick way if you have something to say, to say 159 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: it if that catches on. UM. So I moved back 160 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: to l A. My space was cracking. UM. I feel 161 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: like it was the perfect opportunity for me to start 162 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: connecting with like minded women. UM. And I wrote this 163 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: song called home Girls really on my own, put it 164 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: up on my Space, and like kind of the rest 165 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: was history. It's like now we're very used to things 166 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: kind of like um, you know, taking on a life 167 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: of their own and becoming like you know, this internet 168 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: sensation and in like a local way, that's kind of 169 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: what it was. Um. But with home Girls, which I wrote, uh, 170 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: like specifically for my sisters, and just this kind of 171 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: idea of like I grew up with strong women kind 172 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: of like surrounding me all of my accomplishments. I always 173 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: kind of like felt I had a lot to do 174 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: with like my girls around me, the support system that 175 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: I had, So I just wanted to almost like write 176 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: an ode to friends. And it sounds so fucking corny, 177 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: but it's really interesting to me that it was, like 178 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: it was so sincere and I don't think anyone had 179 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: ever really sing a song about like being friends. That's 180 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: how corny at all. That's like what we're all of that. 181 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: But like when I would going to the radio station 182 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: and it's about my best friend, yeah, you know what 183 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: I mean, Like I'm like breaking that down and they're 184 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: playing like I don't know, like snooping game and like 185 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: all this hard shit, and I'm like, I'm just here 186 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: to represent more friends about it around the world. How 187 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: much of hip hop music is talking about the homie 188 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: right right and then so like so it's just about 189 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: their best friends too exactly, and it really you know, 190 00:09:55,840 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to get lay out those those early songs 191 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: were like the story of my life, like You're you 192 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: here and Home Girls, I talk about like um coming 193 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: up where I'm from. Life gets a little crazy. But 194 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: I have no regrets because it made me and I 195 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: really have felt like it could be really crazy in 196 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: the neighborhood that I came up in. But there was 197 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: so much beauty there, and there was so much that 198 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 1: I loved about it, you know. And I just even 199 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: had a line in there about like my I would 200 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: lead to raise me and it was just crazy, Like 201 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: I just put that song on my Space. I didn't 202 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: realize like everybody was raised by their grandma, and you 203 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: know it's like everybody's like, oh, that's me too, girls, 204 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: And how do people so, how do people respond to 205 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: the music and who like really like was responding and 206 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 1: listening because I know you also have done like you 207 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: would do a lot of shows, like at car shows, 208 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: lots of car shows, like all of my early beginnings. Um, 209 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: I would say, we're you know, like I wrote these songs. 210 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: I always say for like girls who kind of like 211 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: around the way, girls who who were from like from 212 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: nothing to something like with that mentality, And so it 213 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: would it would would be girls predominantly from l A 214 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: I would hear from, and then I would see like, 215 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: oh Ship Bakersfield, and then it would be like northern California, 216 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: like the Bay Area, and then I'm like, wait, you're 217 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: in Chicago living that same experience. So I think like 218 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: there's so many like nuanced things that I would say 219 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: in the record that you kind of have to like 220 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: know to know for you to be able to relate. 221 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: Like even even me saying something as simple is like 222 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: m uh my Wila raised me, Like you're gonna have 223 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: to even know what that is, you know what I 224 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: mean to be like, oh ship like I felt with her, 225 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: or like I get what this is about. Um. And 226 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: then I feel like the music video is kind of 227 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: just always added another layer so you could see like 228 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: this is the way I see my neighborhood, um, when 229 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: so much of everything else that that your force fed 230 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: especially about like l A or Chicano culture, is like 231 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: it's dangerous, it's scary, dark, it's you know what I mean, 232 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: like all of these things, and like to me, it's 233 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: just never the way I looked at it. I just 234 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: always looked at it like, hey, like the sun shines 235 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: different in my neighborhood, like when the palm tree sways, 236 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: like what that feels like, and just trying to depict that, 237 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like in a song, I 238 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: want to see a family that looks like I want 239 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: to see girls that look like the girls I grew 240 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: up around, like getting their fair shine. Um, and I 241 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: just wanted to do the art Le Vote Tour. It's funny. 242 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: My fiance always teases me, He's like, maybe you should 243 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: have like a higher like higher higher goals and you 244 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: absolutely And I'm like when you're from, like you know, 245 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: around here, like that's your ship growing up, and so 246 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: that was like, you know, those early days, they were 247 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: so meaningful to me because like, growing up, that's what 248 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: I listened to, Like I couldn't wait to be on 249 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: that stage or um. I did the cover of low 250 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: Rider magazine like in like two thousand seven or two 251 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: thousand eight or something, and it was like, you know, 252 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 1: to me, that was like Vogue, Like that's all you 253 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: know what I mean, That's like an equivalent in almost 254 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: just like a regional way. Um. And so like those 255 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: things were really there were a lot of fun, but 256 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: they definitely kind of set the tone own for what 257 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about today, which is the brand 258 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: have in addition to Belladonna, you have your own company, 259 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: honey Bee Goals. Yes, So tell us about you and 260 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: where you came from and how you got into all 261 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: of this. Girl, I don't even know what year is it. Um. Well, 262 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: I was born in East and we moved when I 263 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: was kind of young to Riverside, and um, it was 264 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: always coming back and forth because we were the only 265 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: family that moved to uh yet to the i E. 266 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: So we were always we didn't know anybody else. We 267 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: were always out here um summer's weekends until I could. 268 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: I just did not feel like I ever belonged there. 269 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: I felt like I'm a city girl. I'm the all 270 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: the art and I've always been very much in the 271 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: art since i was a kid. Um, So as soon 272 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: as we could steal our parents cars, i was back 273 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: out here for the weekends, right but no, So yeah, 274 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: so I have since I was a kid. I've always 275 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: been in an artist. I've always been. When I was younger, 276 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: I was paying to draw, and you know, my parents 277 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: did what they could to like kind of nurture that. 278 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: But again saying similar to law, like, I grew up 279 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: in a family who, um didn't have a lot of money. 280 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: There was six of us. I'm the fifth youngest. Um. 281 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: Apart from that, I was a very dysfunctional family just 282 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: you know a lot of like drug addictions and convicts 283 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: in prison. It was just a lot. So my parents 284 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: couldn't really um, they couldn't really afford to like nurture 285 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: that that passion that I had, and they didn't know 286 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: how you know, in the first generation UM American. My 287 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: parents are both from Mexico and so you know, my 288 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: parents came with you know, my dad was an orphan 289 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: at like ten um, you know, and he was homeless 290 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: when he came out here, and you know, he crossed 291 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: the border illegally and slept under bridges, so he could 292 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: figure it out and was you know, able to which 293 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: I'm so proud of. He was able to kind of 294 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: figure it out and make his own version of the 295 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: American dream and you know, have build a business and 296 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: by his family at home. And so that's kind of 297 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: where I came from as far as like family. UM. 298 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: Around maybe the time that I was seventeen, my father 299 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: passed away. It was kind of unexpected. And then two 300 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: years later my brother passed away and that was also 301 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: like drug related, also unexpected. So I kind of lost 302 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: myself for a few years. I didn't know what the 303 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: hell I was doing, had no direction in life, which 304 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: just literally like a week a leaf in the wind 305 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: until Um, I kind of refound myself again in art. 306 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: You know, I've always been very, very heavily into music, 307 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: specifically like nineties hip hop and just um again like 308 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: the staple stuff. But um, I found myself going to 309 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: a lot of hip hop shows. I was constantly um at, 310 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: if not at one venue, at another, sneaking in, making 311 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: friends with security guys. I wasn't even old enough. Um so, 312 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: um what happened was one day I think I had 313 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: just gotten back into like art and painting and stuff, 314 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: and it was when Dila died. I don't know if 315 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: you guys are familiar with this was with two thousand 316 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: and six, so he died. I was a huge fan, 317 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: and I decided to hand paint um Donuts the album 318 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: cover on a pair of earrings. I don't know why, 319 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: Like why would I painted on arrands? Actually no clue 320 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: what inspired you? Yeah, I have no idea why would 321 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: like even now I'm trying to figure out why would 322 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: you like like like yeah, uh huh. So again, like 323 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: I was very much involved in the hip hop scene, 324 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: like I was there, like I was pretty like like 325 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: I said, I've literally I've been hundreds of shows. That 326 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: was That was my life. So anyway, I painted those. Um, 327 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: I went to I remember I went to like a 328 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: tribute show for him, and I got asked left and 329 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: right like where did you get those? Where did you 330 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: get those? I like, well, I painted him. So then 331 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, people start like pretty much asking 332 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: me for um custom orders, and I was like, I 333 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: don't know what the funk I'm doing, but I'm going 334 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: to pretend. So yeah, and then so it kind of 335 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: started that way, and then a couple of years later, 336 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: I kind of actually took it seriously and I got 337 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: my I went and we'll try to figure out like 338 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: all the legalities and you'll get a license and a 339 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: seller's permit, and then like I faked a look book 340 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 1: and then I went, I was like a whole and 341 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: you know, that's just trying to figure it out, and 342 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: I think, so I went, I learned like the basis 343 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: basics of photography. I shot a look book because well 344 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: because at the time, my boyfriend he was very much 345 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: into streetwear, so that's that was kind of my honey 346 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: Bee gold is more considered streetwear. So um. The boyfriend 347 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: at the time was working for a few big brands now, 348 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: and so he was like, look, this is a look book, 349 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: this is an order form sheet. So I just copied 350 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: it but my own game. Yeah. Yeah. So then I 351 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: remember at the time I was working, and I remember 352 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: that on my spare time, I would just go looking 353 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: for like stores, like I would call them and I 354 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: would pretend I was like, Hi, I'm like a representative 355 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: for honey. I was so nervous that times I was like, 356 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: I don't even hold that. I was like, just kidding, 357 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what to day. But anyway, so I did. 358 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: I did. I would pretend that I was like a 359 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: sales reep or whatever, and then I would call and 360 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: then I would get all of their um all of 361 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: their buyers information. So like I did this book book, 362 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 1: I like put everything together or whatever. And so one 363 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: day I was like, all right, this is the day. 364 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: I literally had probably put together more than fifty like 365 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: contact informations and I just piled them all out. I 366 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: did like a little intro what Honeyby was and at 367 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: the time, my vision, which is still pretty much the 368 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: spirit also of Bella Donna is a strong independent um 369 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: woman who has who deserves as many rights as the 370 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: next person. You could hold their own that's always been 371 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: like my message and what I've always believed in. But anyhow, 372 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: so I did a little intro whatever, sent it out. 373 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: By the end of the day, I had about eighteen 374 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: accounts from stores, from boutiques all around the US. I 375 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: couldn't I was. I hadn't even sold one thing on 376 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: my website yet. These were all just custom owners I 377 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: was getting from, like people that I would meet out 378 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: in the streets or whatever. So I was like, oh, ship, 379 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: So then that's kind of where it started. Yeah, you know, 380 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: my accessories run again. It's always kind of carried that 381 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: same message just being you know, just a strong woman 382 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: and you know, just a statement pieces like kind of 383 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: like very unapols logetic, very fuck you to society. I 384 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: am who I am in your face, very in your face. 385 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: And it was amazing because that was my message and 386 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: I didn't I never, I never. I didn't think too 387 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: far ahead of like how are women going to receive it? 388 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: I just was like, this is how I feel, this 389 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: is who I am, this is what I'm doing, and 390 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: you know, throughout my journey, that's kind of that message 391 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: has been received. And I would always get messages from 392 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: girls like you know, thank you. It makes me feel 393 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: beautiful in my skin, and I'm just like wow, Like 394 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: this brand has more of a purpose than It's not 395 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: just being cute and fashionable. It's kind of just being 396 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: who you are and accepting who you are, which is 397 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: like throughout the history of my brand and if you've seen, 398 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: like some of the models that I've have are just 399 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: unconventional beauties because it's not societies norms or standards or 400 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: or not. So that's kind of like how me and 401 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: Lala met because I feel like as well as long, 402 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, even though my brand has always been heavily 403 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: influenced by like like hip hop, it's always that's kind 404 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: of like the root of it. I have always sprinkled 405 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: my Mexican culture in there, whether it's the we can 406 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: see that like jump like Nicholas said, maybe the loca 407 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: or whatever, and this is like two thousand seven, so 408 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: it's not even really the thing, but I always like 409 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: put it in there because it always went so much 410 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: to me, And so I think that's kind of how 411 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: her and I met. Yeah, tell us like the like 412 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: the foundation, like how y'all met, Like how y'all decided 413 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: like we're going to build a brand together, or maybe 414 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: you didn't even like conceptualize it as a brand just yet. 415 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: But how is it that y'all were like, well, let's 416 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: do this. I love to tell a story because I 417 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: think she's make something. Each time I will tell you 418 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: how we met. She's slit in my Twitter DM. Basically, yeah, 419 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: she was like, do you want to be my friend? 420 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: It's my birthday? Come on? No, she was so nice. 421 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: I was like, who is this girl? Why is she 422 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: so nice? Like she actually was like it's my birthday, 423 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: Like you know, we don't really know each other, but 424 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: come And I was like, okay, I did, I coming? 425 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: But she was so nice and she would always promote 426 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: my brand and I'm like, she had a big following 427 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: and every time she did, I would get like a 428 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: wave of new followers or sales or whatever. And I'm 429 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: like who, Like, I wasn't familiar with her at the time. 430 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm telling them because I was still stuck in okay, 431 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: I still am yea yeah, yeah, So I didn't know 432 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,719 Speaker 1: who she was and I was like, who is this girl? Like, 433 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: and she's so sweet? Like who? At that time, people 434 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: weren't just doing nice things like that. Now, when you 435 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: know what I mean, not with how I was involved 436 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: with marketing or whatever, how I would get like the 437 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: word out yeah, so and then from there it kind 438 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: of and then what happened, like you messaged me again. 439 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: One of the other girls I was part of the 440 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: project she was putting together was a fashion designer and 441 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: so she had like a birthday party somewhere right, So 442 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: I was like, do you want to come? And I'm like, okay, 443 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: let's go. So we go to her party and it's 444 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: funny because we were both there and I could like 445 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: we were both very um anxious, like we were very uncomfortable, 446 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: and I think she might have picked it up from me, 447 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: like you your person who has anxiety, as how somebody 448 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: kind of know when someone else has it, like you 449 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: can kind of read the signs, the cues, you know 450 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: what I mean. And I was like, oh, I think, yeah, 451 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: I think she has anxiety issues, like you want to 452 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: leave on like absolutely rely. I get really anxious when 453 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people and if I'm like if 454 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: I'm sober, I can't deal with it, like it's too much. 455 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: So we ended up leaving and then she's like, oh, 456 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: I felt the same way. I'm like, oh my gosh, 457 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: shut up for real. And then so we just started 458 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: talking about like our anxiety where it came from. You know, 459 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: we both happened to feel like it's a lot of 460 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 1: it's from like traumas from our childhood and growing up 461 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: kind of in dysfunctional like crazy like households and ship. 462 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: So we immediately bonded because it's at that time especially 463 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: it was still even now, it's still kind of taboo 464 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: to talk about mental illnesses. And so when you find 465 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: other people who not only understand, but could also relate 466 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: personally and have overcome you here an aspects of it, 467 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: I think like you tend to like bond, bond really closely. Um. 468 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: So it's interesting, Yeah, I say, like we bonded over 469 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: our dysfunctional family because we're both from very big families 470 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: that have a lot going down at all times. I'm 471 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: still to this day. Then. Um, Also, we had a 472 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: big conversation that one night that we met about like 473 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: our spiritual beliefs um And at that time, like I 474 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: was with like, uh, what's her technical term a spiritual 475 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: or intuitive counsel? She was an intuitive counselor that's like 476 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: what she technically was an intuitive counselor, and so I 477 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,959 Speaker 1: was telling her how much like that helps me not 478 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: only cope with my anxiety, um, but also just with 479 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: other like big life decisions like learning really how to 480 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: like lean on your intuition um. And so we had 481 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: a big conversation about that, and like sometimes like when 482 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: you have these conversations with people, they look at you 483 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 1: like oh yeah, I mean or like it starts to 484 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: like never know holp if someone's going to think like, oh, 485 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: you're like a weird hippie did way yeah, yeah, yeah 486 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: you really don't seriously Yeah, Like literally I anloaded all 487 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: my baggage on her, and the first time, I'm like 488 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: lug bage. I come from like a really dysfunctional family. 489 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: I'm in like intensive therapy for anxiety. Plus I go 490 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: to an intuitive counselor and she was like, oh, hell yeah, 491 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 1: like I'm down, give me all the numbers. And so 492 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: that's really how we bonded. And I think that's an 493 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: important part of our story because it really lays the 494 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: foundation for a lot of times, Like now we're in 495 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: a business relationship, right, but it's a relationship. And I 496 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:30,239 Speaker 1: think especially having like kind of like the same like 497 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: beliefs and value system and kind of almost like a 498 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: lot of times like the same spiritual outlook on things 499 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: can help your business and in any relationship run a 500 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: lot smoother. And we got all that shipped out like 501 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: on the first night, like Okay, we're kind of on 502 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: the same page, like we have a good understanding of 503 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: each other, like if because I've already had my fair 504 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: share of like on my mental health issues, like I 505 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: can recognize them in her and I'm like, okay, so 506 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: she's like depressed right now, like I know because how 507 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna go, Like this is what I have to do. 508 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: So we're able to kind of like work really well 509 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: and that sense. But we ended up just being friends 510 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 1: in the beginning. Um and looked really fast because here 511 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: in l A. Because she was like I was still 512 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: on the riverside, got it, I got stuck out there. 513 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: She was in riverside, but she got she had a 514 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: lot of big accounts like here in l A. And 515 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: also a lot of big opportunities like with stylist, Like 516 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: I remember you had a job with like Nicki Minaj, 517 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah call us about the stylist calls 518 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: me like like midnight and She's like, hey, girl, like 519 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: I'm styling Nicki tomorrow in Atlanta, but I'm leaving to 520 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: I'm leaving the l a X at five in the morning. 521 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: Can you be here? I'm like, fun, yeah, I can 522 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: so here. I go like getting But that was my 523 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: life though, that was my hustle. Like anytime I got 524 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: a call that was an opportunity like that, I don't 525 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: give a funk where I was. What I had to do, 526 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 1: what I do with like you know. So it was 527 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: a lot of that kind of stuff. And in that 528 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 1: particular situation, Nikki ended up like she actually wore like 529 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: head to toe was like worked in my stuff. Yeah, 530 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: it was a brig. It was the really great thing. 531 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: Was huge for an event that was for a music video. Yeah, 532 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: I think it was one with Black Up Luck. I 533 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: don't remember the name of the song. You know, She's 534 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: stuck in Nice n dude ever saw the video or 535 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: heard the songs. I started to get a really great opportunity, 536 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: like huge I got. I had gotten hire to do 537 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: um even do a whole thing for Lady Gaga when 538 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: she was super pop. Her whole video Like they didn't 539 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: end up dropping it, but it was like a celebrity 540 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: like cast of people, and they had me designed everything 541 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: like I did, was getting a lot of opportunities um 542 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: like that, and yeah, it was so nut. I was 543 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: like this is this is absolutely surreal. But I was 544 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: still never side and I was constantly getting having did 545 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: their all in l a Like, I was constantly back 546 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: and forth, back and forth. I knew, I'm like this 547 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: is got like I can't do this something. So I 548 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: was just like moving with me. I have like this 549 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,479 Speaker 1: cute little apartment I got rent control girl have an 550 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: extra bedroom. So we moved in together and went through 551 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: a lot of like fun girl talk type ship like 552 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: she was going through a breakup at the time, like 553 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: something that I had already been through. So we're just 554 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 1: really able to be there for each other. And I mean, 555 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: if you really want to get to know somebody, like 556 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: you live with them, like you live with them like 557 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: I know that, sou and you know, through that experience 558 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: of living together, we would always talk about, like we 559 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: both wear a lot of we were wearing at the 560 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: time a lot of boy mail streetwear. Right, let's talk 561 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, let's talk about like the before you 562 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: all started, Like what did streetwear look like? At the time. 563 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: Well for me personally, on the point that I was 564 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: with when I was younger, like I said he was, 565 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: he was working for a lot of very big brands, 566 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: they're big brands now, and he kind of introduced me 567 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: to what streetwear was. He was a skater, he was 568 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: like super into like Susie was in a you know, 569 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: a black scale cris and Castles, and so he kind 570 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: of he's the one who like led me into that lifestyle. 571 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: And then, um, it was had such a heavy influence 572 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: on my brand of Honeybee. But um, when I was 573 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: involved in that, I can pick it up. But you mentioned, 574 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: you know, wearing lots of men's clothing, right, Well that's 575 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: the whole thing. So like so streetwear is streetwear like 576 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 1: all of the things that you mentioned, like low writing culture, 577 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: like hip hop. These are all male dominated spaces, right um. 578 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: And I think when you're a girl who's interested in 579 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: these things, you're always just like on the fringes, you 580 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And if something's made for you, 581 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: like if a streetwear brand Crooks and Castles, let's use 582 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: them as an example, which there they were a great brand, 583 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: Um who inspired me a lot. They were all like 584 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: a like a tribe of Filipino boys that were like 585 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: really good friends, and I loved how they represented for 586 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: their culture and the sense of community that they had. 587 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: But when they would drop something for girls, it was 588 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: always like the afterthought, which it was funny. I don't think. 589 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if all of people know that they 590 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: used to make prom dresses. I didn't know that. My 591 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: ex boyfriend told me he was like because he he 592 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: was like, he would follow all these brands when they 593 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: were like tiny, so he's like, yeah, they were all 594 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,719 Speaker 1: like cutting, So like they used to make prom dresses 595 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: for girls. That's crazy. And well, when they would drop 596 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: something for girls in the streetwear side of things, it 597 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: would be an afterthought, like they're not really thinking about 598 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: the cut, they're not really thinking about the color way. 599 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: It's like, let's just either put this on pink for girls, 600 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: or let's just make it smaller. The girls weren't the 601 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: four thoughts. So we both wore a lot of boys streetwear, 602 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: so you would have to like tie it up, you 603 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: would have to tide it. You would all, yeah, you 604 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: gotta make it, you gotta make it sexy for you. 605 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: And so for us, we were like and then also 606 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: just at that time, there was some pretty major I 607 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: feel like general market streetwear lines. Um that like maybe 608 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: like three to twenty was the ratio of girl to 609 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: boy brands. So they were definitely like Hell's bell as 610 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: there was like it was like brown Babies and married 611 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: to them all. Yeah, well Brown Babies now is actually 612 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: well some of the girls are now dying nine piece 613 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: and you know, and they're also they're also like the 614 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: hood Witch came from, we came from brown the Brown Babies, 615 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: which is like a collective. Yeah, and this is like 616 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: two five, two six, like maybe like around that time, 617 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: this is like legit her story, right, this is this 618 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: is her story, This is women's fashion history. We live 619 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: this like this was what we This is how we 620 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: grew up like we were you know, we all kind 621 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: of started coming up. They were they had a little head. 622 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: I want us. We're gonna we're gonna get into some 623 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: tvte if this is a good time to bring up, 624 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: like y'all, y'all like your your motto, what bella Down 625 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: is all about is like we live this and you 626 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: can see that in like the hashtags, the captions, everything 627 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: that you'll represent and you do so I really want to, Like, 628 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: I think it's a good time to talk about like 629 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: TVT Yeah, like, what are some trends that you see 630 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: now that like y'all Evan Rockinson's back in the day, 631 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: crunchy hair, crunchy hair, remember in seventh grade and it 632 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: was like the goal was who can get their hair 633 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: the hardest? Yes, and I've come. You come to school. 634 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: Your hair look like wire, like like it's I don't 635 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: know because like it's Moose even a thing. It's like 636 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: I have, like Moose exists, you know, the Moose in 637 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: my hair gel like this, but that short, dude, I 638 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: think you like if you ever when like a slick back, 639 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: you could use like a gel truly. No, I used 640 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: Moose a couple of years ago and fun, I made 641 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: fun of me. I put it on. Y're like you 642 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: know what my mom uses Moose, which is why I 643 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: used to. I feel like some of the listeners are 644 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: probably what the moose Moose? Oh my god, Like yeah, 645 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: it's rare, Like I don't think like Moose is like 646 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: us the same like I used yesterday for brunch. Your 647 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: right away you smells super good. Usually when I wear 648 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: a plonytail, I would just put moose to hole my 649 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: baby hairs out. Yes, such hair I'm thinking. I'm thinking 650 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: also very specifically, Like you know, on Instagram, it's all 651 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: about aesthetics and it's all about the looks that people 652 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: are serving. And I think right now, like the whole 653 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: like throwback sort of chill aesthetic is like, oh yeah, yeah, 654 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: what is how about like what you guys have seen 655 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: on Instagram? Like I mean, like, I think there's a 656 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: really fun throwback picture we have of Gnat in her 657 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: dickies overalls in the eighth grade, and I like dickies 658 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: overalls and my brown lime lips with my eyebrows like 659 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: like maybe an inch long that I had shaves. Yeah, 660 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: and then I remember, Oh, i'd always put sun in 661 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: in my hair. Yeah, do you guys know what sun is? Yeah, 662 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: it's like peroxide. It's basically peroxide for you, but it 663 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: would make your hair more orange. We would sight in 664 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: our hair to lighten it up, to like make it 665 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: look like I don't know, I don't know what that. 666 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: I don't I feel like it's I just feel like 667 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: it's like the cheap version of highlights. Yeah, you can't 668 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: afford highlights, but you can afford and yeah, before your 669 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: mom would take it. They actually like get highlights um 670 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: that Dicky's overalls. I feel like especially like the dark 671 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: line almost like with a brown liner or like wet 672 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: and wild six six six, like the liner with like 673 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: the nude we used to put you know, we used 674 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: to don't. We wouldn't put like a lipstick in there. 675 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: We would just put our foundation because it was also 676 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: a thing to like put entirely too much fucking powder on, right, right, 677 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: just put foundation and then the lip liner and that 678 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: was that. The lipstick was foundation and then it would 679 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: be crustiest buck by the end of the day. I 680 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: feel like now it was like everlasting lipsticks, like the 681 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: crustiest Anyways, maker has changed a lot, right, Yeah, definitely, 682 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: the options, The options are endless now. One thing that 683 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: it's never changed up and rocking a winged eyeliner since 684 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: that my mom taught me how him to do that 685 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: when I was like fourteen to this day, that's iconic, 686 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: that staple that will never go. I feel like nails 687 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 1: like they have definitely had a resurgence. I see so 688 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: many like even nails are a curlings nail art. Um. Yeah, 689 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: Like I feel like when we were like in middle 690 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: school high school. There wasn't like the decals and the 691 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: all the extra ship like you would have like a 692 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: curlegs you would have the French defend exactly and the airbrushing. 693 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: But I didn't have a little when I was the 694 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: little like a little hoop you could do a little hoop. 695 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: Say that lately, Yeah, I've seen That's who the Kardashians 696 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: have started doing. They started, they start all that, they 697 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: swear they started, they start all right, So this is 698 00:34:49,640 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: a good time to go into a break and and 699 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: and and and and and and and and and and 700 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: and wrong and and and any wrong and and and 701 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: any wrong and and and umm from from from from 702 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: of it and little ship. Okay, so we hope you 703 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: all enjoyed the song. Break Now we really want to 704 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: get into to the eleison of the room. We gotta 705 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: address it to the meat, to the like as Mala likes. 706 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: So you know, we love, we love La La, we 707 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 1: love now we love belladonna um which all have been 708 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: dragged recently, pretty merciless Lee and your year years year 709 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: for years. At this point, it's make a reoccurring drag 710 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: the same thing. It's a constant dragging. Let's let's talk 711 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: about We're going to talk about it because you know, um, 712 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure that plenty of our listeners have been keeping 713 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 1: track of, you know, the happenings and the dragging on Instagram, 714 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: especially on Twitter, even going back to Tumbler, like there's 715 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: now years um and like history here right, and so UM, 716 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: I first want to ask, you know, like if you 717 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: could give us a little recap, give us some drag 718 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: history the first time you remember getting dragged and what 719 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 1: the issue was, and you know, the more recent things 720 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: that I have been coming up. I really feel like 721 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: the first drag involved a white model that we use. 722 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: I think that's when we like, that's when we were 723 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: introduced to like, oh this is a drag, okay, you 724 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like this is something like keep 725 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: in mind like we're from like the MySpace culture, did 726 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And that kind of wasn't 727 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: like really a thing. Dragging was not a thing. No, 728 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't. And so um, the we used I'm trying 729 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: to remember exactly how it happened. We used a model 730 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: like we do the call outs, like you kind of 731 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: see how we get models because you were one like 732 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: we just post like, hey, come through, are you available? 733 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 1: Who wants to come? A lot of times people bring friends, um, 734 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: And we didn't then, and we still are trying to 735 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,760 Speaker 1: learn how to do better with like figuring out people's backgrounds, 736 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, without yeah yeah, yeah, like 737 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 1: without being too contrived, um and being like we need 738 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: one of this and one of that and you know 739 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: what I mean, like just forget it. Yeah, just really 740 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: trying to figure out the best way to approach it. 741 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: But back then we would just like post like if 742 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: you want to come come world at the Los Angeles 743 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: Cruise night tonight, come right. So something like that had happened. 744 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: We used a girl. We didn't know anything about her background. 745 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: She was friends with other girls that were shooting with us. 746 00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: We shot her. That was that, and then like maybe 747 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: like even like a few months later, I don't think 748 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: I remember the year maybe when yeah, it was probably 749 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: it was definitely. Um so we had not we had 750 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: not been in business that long, you know. Um, So 751 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,879 Speaker 1: we used this model and then one day I feel 752 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 1: like we logged in and it was just like all 753 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: through our timeline like fuck you guys, you use this 754 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: white girl. She appropriates um Latin. It was like you 755 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: use this white it's giving like the PG version. It 756 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 1: was they were attacking us and attacking her like brutally, 757 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: like fuck this fucking whore, this bitch, she needs to 758 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: fucking die. It was like insane. Okay, it was like 759 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,720 Speaker 1: the next level fucking She was getting like death threats 760 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: on her actual Instagram page. It was really bad. And 761 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,320 Speaker 1: I want to ask, so when we so that we 762 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 1: can kind of like set the vocabulary here when we 763 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: say a drag, a dragging, I think like our listeners 764 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 1: know what that means, But how would you all define 765 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,479 Speaker 1: getting dragged since it's happened to you, Like, how would 766 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: you really define it? How would you describe it? What 767 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 1: does it mean? Because I think there's this sort of 768 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 1: notion on sort of like with the Looke Internet that 769 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 1: are dragging is almost something like positive or it's like 770 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: necessary or educational, but it's not always. But that's how 771 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: that's how a lot of the rhetoric around it is like, oh, 772 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: well they came for this person, they dragged this person 773 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: because they deserved it or it needed to happen. But 774 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,320 Speaker 1: in your experiences, what has getting dragged actually meant? Like? 775 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: What are people doing and saying the craziest thing in life. 776 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of these people say because they're 777 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: hiding behind a phone or what their computers, they're saying 778 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: things they would never say in real life, right, and 779 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: so it's very violent. A lot of times it's not 780 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: this thing where we're gonna it's like this friendly, like 781 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: spiritual conversation where we could just walk away enlightened with 782 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: each other or like learn something new because it's stop 783 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, that initial one, I don't feel like 784 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 1: there was like I would There wasn't really anything productive 785 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,879 Speaker 1: about it. There was no like gain or like hey, 786 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, Like I walked away 787 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: with like learning this or oh shit, maybe we could 788 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: have done approached this different or um. I think most productive, 789 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: the most productive thing that could have happened from that, 790 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 1: right is it's like the first person who realized like 791 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,399 Speaker 1: something about this woman hit us up and let us know, like, hey, 792 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: she has this photo on her page from like to 793 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: Halloween's ago or whatever it was. It was so long ago. 794 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,840 Speaker 1: I don't recall the exact details, but she had dressed 795 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: up like a Cholas for Halloween and it offended a 796 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: lot of people and that and rightfully, so right, but 797 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: like then how do we have the conversation about like, hey, 798 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: you guys, I'm not sure if you know about this, 799 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: but if you do, then that's one conversation. If you don't, 800 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: maybe is it possible for us to talk about this, 801 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and then like start the conversation. 802 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 1: But it was like we just woke up one day 803 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 1: to all of this. We know that, like call out 804 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 1: culture is very reactionary, so I think people with type 805 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,879 Speaker 1: type type and then the next thing you know, it's 806 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: moved on to somebody else or moved on to a 807 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: different matter what still addressing you? What it is like 808 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: they're just bullies and like I don't know, it's kind 809 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,719 Speaker 1: of holier. Well, and my thing is like, so this 810 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: is only the first example, right, That's that's what I 811 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,319 Speaker 1: was gonna say. So days after there was another yeah, 812 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: like the most famous yeah yeah yeah, so that had 813 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,360 Speaker 1: happened where we got called out for her. And I 814 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 1: think the hard part is is like then when something 815 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 1: would like we would try to address something, then it 816 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: would shift right then it's like okay, well find about that, 817 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 1: but now you don't have enough. Plus you guys don't 818 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: support plus size, And then we're like, wait a second, 819 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 1: like we do have these sizes. If you would check, 820 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,839 Speaker 1: like we could do better, let's talk about that. Let's 821 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: talk about how we get a better co owners plus size? 822 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 1: What are you talking about? But like again there's just 823 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,840 Speaker 1: like again, it's like nuance conversations like right, like we 824 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 1: have to figure out Okay, hey, this is a new brand. 825 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: How how much does it cost to have like a 826 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 1: wider size run? You know what I mean? Like can 827 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 1: they afford to do this? What are you guys doing? 828 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: There's like it's a conversation before it goes to like 829 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 1: death threats, you know what I mean. And also just 830 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 1: like making up things like you also don't get to 831 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 1: just like make up new like quote unquote facts like 832 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: your own facts about like who we are or where 833 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: we come from or like a privileged background, because then 834 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: it makes it hard to engage in any conversation because 835 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 1: you're like, okay, you're just like making things up, like 836 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,760 Speaker 1: how we can't have an actual conversation. Yeah, So there's 837 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,959 Speaker 1: never there's never an excuse to threaten a woman's life, 838 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: to threaten to harm a woman. It does not matter 839 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,840 Speaker 1: if she appropriated a culture in a Halloween picture, you know, 840 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 1: like years ago, and it doesn't matter, like the complexion 841 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,880 Speaker 1: if you don't threaten a person's life and literally criminal behavior. 842 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,360 Speaker 1: And like for me in my line of work and 843 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 1: working with domestic violence, if a woman tells me such 844 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: and such threat in my life, go fillow restraining order, 845 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: go fillo a police report. Separate yourself from that person. 846 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: Like that's the severity. So when I hear that under 847 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: the auspices of like a drag or of social justice 848 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: or a call out, that all these death threats are 849 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,239 Speaker 1: like a part of it, that's a problem. That tells 850 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 1: me that there's nothing genuine or social justice or educational 851 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 1: oriented about the drag. How productive is it really? Right? 852 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 1: It's stressful and it's so it's antiproductive, and we feel 853 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: guilty that like this girl just came, super sweet girl 854 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,239 Speaker 1: came to be a part of our shoot. We didn't know, 855 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 1: you know, we're not checking people's like you know, bring 856 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 1: your your yeah, your family treat. So you know, we 857 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,680 Speaker 1: felt so bad that she was getting all of this 858 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: hate because of you know, something that we put her 859 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: in non intentionally, and it was all great intentions but 860 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,759 Speaker 1: it got really and there was obviously some part of 861 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 1: her that connected with it and with what we do. 862 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 1: But in all honesty, it's really interesting because, um, we've 863 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: never had we never had that this issue before and 864 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,399 Speaker 1: we haven't had it since because typically who shops who 865 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,840 Speaker 1: definitely shops with us and are women of color. Absolutely, 866 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,320 Speaker 1: that's who really connects to what we do. But in 867 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,319 Speaker 1: this specific instance, it was like you know, people saying 868 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 1: like when they see her, they're going to spit on her. 869 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 1: It was just like excessive, like there was no lesson, 870 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,480 Speaker 1: like where is the conversation of like even this, like 871 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 1: you like you could almost assume that she would respect 872 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,440 Speaker 1: us enough, like from working with us. We didn't know 873 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 1: her very well, but there could have even been like, hey, guys, 874 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,320 Speaker 1: can you speak to her about this and like school 875 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 1: her on this subject, but there was never the opportunity 876 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: to do that. It went from zero to ten thousand's 877 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,920 Speaker 1: so fast. Um yeah, I mean until and to currently 878 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: to currently, this conversation still gets brought up, you know, 879 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 1: like we can talk about um a current drag that 880 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,279 Speaker 1: again brings it up, like you know, who we're here for, 881 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,840 Speaker 1: who's really shopping with us? Like these conversations are are 882 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,840 Speaker 1: really important, but with this particular model, like, um, my 883 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,960 Speaker 1: main concern was, like we can correct the cultural appropriation 884 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 1: and we can address that and we can have these conversations, right, 885 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,920 Speaker 1: but what if she kills herself? Yeah? Like that's just 886 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,319 Speaker 1: literally where my mind goes. And it's like and then 887 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:31,759 Speaker 1: also along with that, like is when you're calling out someone? Um, 888 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,480 Speaker 1: and again like this is not the culture that I 889 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,239 Speaker 1: grew up in. I'm not really sure like what the 890 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: rules are. Like you don't get to just make up 891 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 1: new facts about people and their upbringing and where they're 892 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,799 Speaker 1: from and who they really are, Like you don't get 893 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 1: to add that in like to talk about that what 894 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 1: are you from? Myths and realities? Some two truths and 895 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 1: a lie? What the wildest things you all have heard? 896 00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 1: I think yourself were me and that we're both from 897 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 1: Orange County and that we were like like rich privileged 898 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:10,440 Speaker 1: girls Orange County. I don't all. I don't know. It's 899 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,680 Speaker 1: like the weirdest ship that I'll see, Like I've seen 900 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:17,839 Speaker 1: that I'm Armenian, like very interesting, like where is your 901 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,640 Speaker 1: very dark hair? I don't know, I don't know. So 902 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:27,520 Speaker 1: I've gotten that one before I've seen that, or just 903 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,759 Speaker 1: like you know, we've both been doing this long enough 904 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,240 Speaker 1: that there's like, you know, l A Times articles written 905 00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 1: about my music career. There's Latino Magazine, there's there's articles. 906 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,960 Speaker 1: You know it really check your receipt. Yeah, there's like 907 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,960 Speaker 1: there's articles, there's past music videos you can reference to 908 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,880 Speaker 1: see like, hey, what kind of girls are in the 909 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,960 Speaker 1: what kind of girls are in the home Girls video? 910 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 1: Who's in the sand Girl video? What what sizes are 911 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 1: represented there? What? You know what I mean, like all 912 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,880 Speaker 1: of those kind of things, like you can look to 913 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 1: get a little bit of a gauge of like who 914 00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,279 Speaker 1: we are. But um, something else that I've heard about us, 915 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 1: like this isn't funny, but it's just fucking weird, Like 916 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,880 Speaker 1: we're not here for Central Americans. I saw that recently, 917 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,960 Speaker 1: Like yes, like our friends, like our friends are close friends, 918 00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean that we support that we're racist. Yeah, 919 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,160 Speaker 1: it's really there. It's really interesting, and I'm like, those 920 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,239 Speaker 1: are a big statements. So this is a good transition 921 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: into like the tumbler posts, which is what gets referenced 922 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,880 Speaker 1: the most and what still comes back, which even came 923 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,839 Speaker 1: back recently like a few weeks ago, right, I think 924 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,399 Speaker 1: that we should just read it, yes, and let's let's 925 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,520 Speaker 1: talk about it, and let's just talk about it. Yeah. 926 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,960 Speaker 1: So um, I think that in the research, the Tumbler 927 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 1: research that we did, there was an anonymous submission on 928 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:50,680 Speaker 1: August eighteen to the tumbler at reclaiming the Latina tag. 929 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,160 Speaker 1: So this is a post that I don't know who 930 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: the author of the post is. And that's fine. We 931 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,279 Speaker 1: don't want to we don't want to put anybody on 932 00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,840 Speaker 1: the spot or call anybody out. But the page that 933 00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 1: I was on is called at reclaiming the Latin Attack 934 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,840 Speaker 1: and the post is still up there so recently and 935 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,719 Speaker 1: this post. I've seen this tumbler post many times. It 936 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,560 Speaker 1: resurfaces like every six months, and I think one of 937 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,359 Speaker 1: the reasons why it resurfaces so often is because there's 938 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,600 Speaker 1: no date indicating but in the beginning is you know, 939 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 1: the other night. So I think every time it gets 940 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,200 Speaker 1: posted and there's young people, new users, people who have 941 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,040 Speaker 1: not been around as long, they see it and it 942 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 1: looks like a brand new incident that just happened. Because 943 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,239 Speaker 1: I remember when this happened, right when it happened in 944 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,840 Speaker 1: so when I see this. I know that this happened 945 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,799 Speaker 1: years ago, right, and obviously I'm working with y'all. We've 946 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,719 Speaker 1: had this discussion off the record, right, I think it's 947 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,920 Speaker 1: important that we, like now on the record, let's talk 948 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,480 Speaker 1: about and many of the people that are engaged in 949 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,080 Speaker 1: the draggings that have been going on like this past 950 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,040 Speaker 1: year are young, are very young right there there. We're young, 951 00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 1: but they're younger than us. Even so I know that 952 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,560 Speaker 1: there's not concepts there. Mama, why don't you go ahead? 953 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,960 Speaker 1: And Okay, so this tumber. The other night, I politely 954 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,400 Speaker 1: asked Lalla Romero why the models of her l A 955 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,239 Speaker 1: based clothing brands Bella Donna are only light skinned, and 956 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,600 Speaker 1: she told me to look at the timeline again and 957 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,600 Speaker 1: not ask such a dumb question. Then her friend told 958 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,920 Speaker 1: me to funk off and that the colorism issue is 959 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,520 Speaker 1: played out, which was then followed by a fan saying 960 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,680 Speaker 1: she as in me, wants the models to look like 961 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,680 Speaker 1: they're from Wahaka. I don't even have to be Mexican 962 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,160 Speaker 1: to know that comment was rude, ignorant, and proof that 963 00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,879 Speaker 1: the colorism issue in our community is not played out. 964 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,319 Speaker 1: La La blocked me and then told the friend who 965 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,920 Speaker 1: said that about colorism, that she loves him and they 966 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,000 Speaker 1: should see a home. They should see a movie soon. 967 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,880 Speaker 1: La La prides herself on being in l a Latina 968 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,200 Speaker 1: with a hood chill esthetic, but all her models are 969 00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,000 Speaker 1: light skinned and white passing. I will never say that 970 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,400 Speaker 1: the color of their skin takes away from their Latina ba. 971 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,000 Speaker 1: But if her brand is by Latinas and for Latina's, 972 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,719 Speaker 1: wouldn't she want to be more inclusive and represent all 973 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,920 Speaker 1: of us. I was very polite to her and never 974 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,080 Speaker 1: said anything rude or negative, but I guess I got 975 00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,120 Speaker 1: to her anyway. I hope you guys will be able 976 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,680 Speaker 1: to help me spread the word it about the brand. 977 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 1: The owner is not a nice lady and seems to 978 00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,040 Speaker 1: agree that colorism is not a present or important issue 979 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,919 Speaker 1: in our community. In all honesty, she basically just makes 980 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,080 Speaker 1: the chill aesthetic accessible to white people and cares little 981 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,080 Speaker 1: about the actual people she claims to be representing. I 982 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 1: regret having ever given her my money as a darker 983 00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,719 Speaker 1: skin Latina, but I really thought I was supporting in 984 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:24,439 Speaker 1: edmana with a cool vision. Okay, let's let's talk. Let's 985 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,480 Speaker 1: talk about it. Let's talk. So when you hear that, 986 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,759 Speaker 1: or when you've read it, what comes to mind for 987 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,600 Speaker 1: you or what are your perspectives on this now that 988 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,480 Speaker 1: years have passed and it's continues to circulate, right, Um, 989 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,000 Speaker 1: It's really interesting because I feel like initially I didn't 990 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,800 Speaker 1: want to address it, like I didn't want to like 991 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,200 Speaker 1: make a post about it or have a conversation about 992 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,480 Speaker 1: it because it's so far away from who I am 993 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,239 Speaker 1: and what I represent, and like the years of work 994 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,600 Speaker 1: before even Lladonna that I had been doing that where 995 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,239 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, anyone who would read this would 996 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,880 Speaker 1: want to just check and they'd be like, oh, this 997 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:06,440 Speaker 1: doesn't really align. And then you know, flash forward here 998 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,640 Speaker 1: we are years later where I'm like, wow, like this 999 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,920 Speaker 1: still exists and it's still I think it's still like 1000 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,080 Speaker 1: hurting people, you know what I mean, Upsetting people, like 1001 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,320 Speaker 1: really upsetting people, especially because that context isn't there with 1002 00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,960 Speaker 1: the date, because it does like when it pops up 1003 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,560 Speaker 1: if you think that just happened the other night, that 1004 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,480 Speaker 1: like that's hurtful, you know, and there's no context to it, right, 1005 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,120 Speaker 1: Like when that happened, it was fresh off the back 1006 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,920 Speaker 1: of the drag with the with the model, right and so, 1007 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,960 Speaker 1: and and there's no good excuse, you know what I mean, 1008 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,759 Speaker 1: for like not being a good alley like in the 1009 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,239 Speaker 1: heat of the moment, but after I had been like 1010 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,200 Speaker 1: dragged for days and days of this exhausting conversation about 1011 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,319 Speaker 1: this model. I I think now, like when I think 1012 00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,920 Speaker 1: back to it, I'm like it was I was just exhausted, 1013 00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,839 Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, Like just go check 1014 00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,759 Speaker 1: the timeline, like you'll see the first few models that 1015 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,960 Speaker 1: we use were actually black girls, you know what I mean. 1016 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,440 Speaker 1: And there's just a bigger conversation there. And I feel like, 1017 00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,719 Speaker 1: regretfully now, I wish I would have like either just 1018 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,120 Speaker 1: not acknowledge the comment, like while I was frustrated, you 1019 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean, and then like went back to 1020 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,360 Speaker 1: it or not you know what I mean, or not, 1021 00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,520 Speaker 1: but not have been like rude to someone who maybe 1022 00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,440 Speaker 1: she wasn't part of the drag. Maybe this was a 1023 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,759 Speaker 1: genuine concern, do you know what I mean. Maybe she 1024 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,680 Speaker 1: wasn't coming from like that same base camp um that 1025 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,640 Speaker 1: was being so hateful with like you know, the threats 1026 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,719 Speaker 1: and all that other stuff. But it all felt so 1027 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,440 Speaker 1: fresh as to like what was happening, um, And I 1028 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,759 Speaker 1: think the other really hurtful part about this that I 1029 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,960 Speaker 1: really regret not addressing it sooner is um. Like even 1030 00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,359 Speaker 1: in that can you read this sentence about what one 1031 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:57,200 Speaker 1: of my followers said, Oh that um? Then her friends 1032 00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,160 Speaker 1: told me to sunk off and the colors of issues 1033 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,520 Speaker 1: played out, which was followed by a fan saying she 1034 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,880 Speaker 1: wants the model to look like they're from Wahaka. So 1035 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,160 Speaker 1: like even the friends saying the colorism issue is played out, like, 1036 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,759 Speaker 1: there's no one that I'm actually like close friends with 1037 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,239 Speaker 1: that believes that statement. So I think if anyone were 1038 00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,320 Speaker 1: to have made that statement in the heat of a 1039 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,239 Speaker 1: drag on my Instagram page, it would have been like 1040 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,879 Speaker 1: in the colorism issue, as in like what's been going 1041 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,320 Speaker 1: on the last seventy eight hours or whatever, you know 1042 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,439 Speaker 1: what I mean, which which still like I just wish 1043 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,560 Speaker 1: I would have left it alone, you know what I mean? 1044 00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,640 Speaker 1: And I got back to it when I wasn't like 1045 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,960 Speaker 1: frustrated or like flustered or like in the middle of 1046 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,000 Speaker 1: just all of that drama from the previous few days. 1047 00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,200 Speaker 1: And then even like the comment about um, what was 1048 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,080 Speaker 1: the next part? So it was like the friends like 1049 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:50,080 Speaker 1: like someone that I knew said something about colorisma la 1050 00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:54,000 Speaker 1: la black. Yeah, okay, so the wahaka right, this is 1051 00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,719 Speaker 1: someone else made this comment and I deleted it. I 1052 00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,320 Speaker 1: didn't like it. I didn't high five then, Um I 1053 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,480 Speaker 1: didn't like I deleted the comments and I deleted the 1054 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,680 Speaker 1: whole threat. If this was something that I believed in, 1055 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,600 Speaker 1: that I was proud of, like anything else that I post, 1056 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,439 Speaker 1: it would have lived there. It would still be there, 1057 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,360 Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like this conversation was 1058 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,200 Speaker 1: like not indicative of who I am, of what I represent. 1059 00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,239 Speaker 1: That's why it all went away very fast. And I 1060 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,880 Speaker 1: think that just through this experience like a that I've learned, Um, 1061 00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:27,600 Speaker 1: just like you know, just how to be a better 1062 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,440 Speaker 1: ally and how to just no matter like what you're 1063 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,200 Speaker 1: kind of going through when you have this big of 1064 00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,799 Speaker 1: a platform, just sometimes you got to write it out 1065 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,520 Speaker 1: and not be so defensive, you know what I mean, 1066 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,960 Speaker 1: Because it's really really hard when you've laid years of 1067 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,120 Speaker 1: work trying to like say one thing and and put 1068 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,880 Speaker 1: forth a certain message, and then like someone comes along 1069 00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,239 Speaker 1: and questions all of that, and you want to say 1070 00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,000 Speaker 1: something back, you know what I mean, But maybe you 1071 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,840 Speaker 1: should just like kind of step away and think about 1072 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,000 Speaker 1: it first, Well, it's also like even when the intention 1073 00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,359 Speaker 1: is there, right, and the intentions are good, it's also 1074 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,800 Speaker 1: like the optics of things, And that's very much like 1075 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,680 Speaker 1: what social media is, right, It's like the way things appear. 1076 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,759 Speaker 1: So even if your intention or y'all's intention wasn't to 1077 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,560 Speaker 1: like only have lighter skinned models, right, because you're saying 1078 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:17,000 Speaker 1: check the timeline, it's like also the way things are perceived. Absolutely, 1079 00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,040 Speaker 1: And I want to ask, you know, because the colorism 1080 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:26,080 Speaker 1: issue is still like we back up rewind. There was 1081 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,640 Speaker 1: a recent Twitter threat that had been written right, that 1082 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:34,080 Speaker 1: included this tumbler post and in which the Twitter is 1083 00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,160 Speaker 1: um the writer is kind of laying out all the 1084 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,759 Speaker 1: things that they see as issues with Belladonna, and like, 1085 00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,120 Speaker 1: the colorism continues to be an issue of Like there's 1086 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,839 Speaker 1: this continuing narrative that you only like, I always see 1087 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,480 Speaker 1: this word that Belladonna only uses white passing models or 1088 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:55,759 Speaker 1: Belladonna only uses light skin models. So this was the 1089 00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,319 Speaker 1: reaction like to this, you know situation back in two 1090 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,759 Speaker 1: thousand and fifty, when the colorism question is brought up. Now, 1091 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,640 Speaker 1: how do you all respond to it? What's your answer 1092 00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,160 Speaker 1: today or how do you handle that conversation with regards 1093 00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,160 Speaker 1: to I think the first thing is like, would you 1094 00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,319 Speaker 1: like to model for us? Sure? You know what I mean? 1095 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,440 Speaker 1: Or if you have any models that you would like 1096 00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,200 Speaker 1: to recommend, Like, the door is always open, It's literally 1097 00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,520 Speaker 1: always an open Yeah, it's it's really always an open call. 1098 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,280 Speaker 1: So that door is always open, and you pay your models. 1099 00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,720 Speaker 1: We pay any of the girls that you've ever seen 1100 00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,640 Speaker 1: on Belladonna's Instagram page, most of whom are young women, 1101 00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,520 Speaker 1: are in school, they're black and brown, and they all 1102 00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,480 Speaker 1: get paid. They're not hash or like money, they're paid 1103 00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:47,239 Speaker 1: in UM. Yeah, they've opted for the girls that work here, right, Yeah, 1104 00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,839 Speaker 1: I mean you guys have girls from the community working here. 1105 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,960 Speaker 1: The chilmet on Instagram. One of them was a model 1106 00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:54,719 Speaker 1: for us at one point. That's how we met her. 1107 00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,839 Speaker 1: And then Carmen, who's been with us for years. UM 1108 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,359 Speaker 1: started off with Lala as her fan club president. Yeah, 1109 00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,920 Speaker 1: just as a street team member, work for my brand 1110 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,640 Speaker 1: and for honey Bee, and then Belladonna's who started it, 1111 00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,239 Speaker 1: and she just kind of does everything and I want 1112 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,080 Speaker 1: to say, I want to put this out there. Also 1113 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,840 Speaker 1: is like you know, like we we want to just 1114 00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,840 Speaker 1: address the issues head on, all four of us, Me, Lala, 1115 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,320 Speaker 1: and Nat. We're all a bunch of light skinned bitches, 1116 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,040 Speaker 1: a bunch of light skin homes, and that means that 1117 00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:26,040 Speaker 1: we all benefit structurally socially from colorism and for being 1118 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:30,360 Speaker 1: light skinned. I don't think that light skinned people um 1119 00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,600 Speaker 1: should be the ones taking the lead on the colors 1120 00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,800 Speaker 1: and debate we're deciding how to solve the problem, because 1121 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,840 Speaker 1: that's part of the issue, is that we have too 1122 00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,560 Speaker 1: much power in those areas that we're centering our voices 1123 00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,120 Speaker 1: even in those conversations, which is not what we should 1124 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,920 Speaker 1: be doing. You know, it's interesting to me when I 1125 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,800 Speaker 1: see because I look at the drags. I don't participate 1126 00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,920 Speaker 1: in dragging online, you know, I just sucking don't. I 1127 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,000 Speaker 1: don't care to do it. I don't think it's productive. 1128 00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,560 Speaker 1: I think it turns into a fucking mess of hate, 1129 00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:03,040 Speaker 1: of attacks, and it ends up being more harmful than educational, 1130 00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,040 Speaker 1: right even know, Like what when people sit out for 1131 00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,560 Speaker 1: the drag, Like what really is the goal? Like that 1132 00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,400 Speaker 1: people lose their jobs, that people stop working with them, 1133 00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,240 Speaker 1: Like what is it? I'm like with with the Belladonna drags, 1134 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,919 Speaker 1: I'm like, is your goal that the entire company gets 1135 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,600 Speaker 1: shut down and all the girls who literally pay their 1136 00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:25,920 Speaker 1: bills like monthly and exactly because of Belladonna and the opportunity. 1137 00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,200 Speaker 1: Is that what you want? And then it's interesting to 1138 00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,640 Speaker 1: me when I see other light skinned women take light 1139 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,960 Speaker 1: skinned people in general, taking the role of well, I'm 1140 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,440 Speaker 1: going to lead the fight against colorism. I'm going to 1141 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,680 Speaker 1: be the voice for dark skinned people, and I'm going 1142 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,880 Speaker 1: to be the voice for for you know, the black 1143 00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,920 Speaker 1: women that I think need to be on this page. 1144 00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,040 Speaker 1: And I'm like, why, why are all other light skinned 1145 00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,880 Speaker 1: hos Because if I'm a light skinned hoe, I know 1146 00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,600 Speaker 1: you're a light skinned hoe. Why is this your fight 1147 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,640 Speaker 1: that you're fighting? Get me odd to me? No, it's interesting. 1148 00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,120 Speaker 1: I think, like the something really important in this conversation 1149 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,760 Speaker 1: is like us always trying to be mindful not to 1150 00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:06,640 Speaker 1: take up someone else's space, right, Like we want to 1151 00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:11,560 Speaker 1: be there to use our platform to support someone else, 1152 00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But all we can ever 1153 00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:18,040 Speaker 1: tell is our story, and our story is a black 1154 00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:22,120 Speaker 1: and brown story. Our story is a very round the 1155 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:27,040 Speaker 1: way it happens to be multi multifaceted and very Los 1156 00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:32,600 Speaker 1: Angeles base, very West Coast. Let's take it to the Southwest. Okay, awesome. 1157 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,640 Speaker 1: Now we're now through us being able to tell our story, 1158 00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,920 Speaker 1: our platform has grown, so now we can help other 1159 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,680 Speaker 1: people tell their stories, you know what I mean. But 1160 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,960 Speaker 1: and it's really been a lot about creating opportunities. Right 1161 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,360 Speaker 1: when you look at the models that we've used, whether 1162 00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:51,240 Speaker 1: it might be a trans model, maybe it might be 1163 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,400 Speaker 1: um like a lesbian couple. There's been a lot of 1164 00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:00,240 Speaker 1: instances of just all different types of models on our age. 1165 01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:04,040 Speaker 1: We never like make a statement about it because it's 1166 01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,400 Speaker 1: just who we're friends with, It's just who we love. 1167 01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,600 Speaker 1: It's it's who has a great spirit, you know what 1168 01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,520 Speaker 1: I mean. It's it's kind of like the position that 1169 01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,720 Speaker 1: we come from to find them, Yeah where where it's 1170 01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,680 Speaker 1: like unless they want that to be like the lead 1171 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,560 Speaker 1: in the tagline, Like it's not really our place to 1172 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,800 Speaker 1: like exploit that, you know what I mean, Because that's 1173 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,320 Speaker 1: not why we booked them. Like we booked them because like, 1174 01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,200 Speaker 1: oh you're flying, you know what, I need to exploit 1175 01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,440 Speaker 1: whatever capital comes with their idea exactly exactly. And the 1176 01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,680 Speaker 1: other part is that I just want to come back 1177 01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:39,959 Speaker 1: to this because like I think that often especially young people, 1178 01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,920 Speaker 1: especially people who are new to like their social justice 1179 01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,680 Speaker 1: or their wokenness. There's this intense desire to see like 1180 01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,560 Speaker 1: representation everywhere you look. And I want to say, I 1181 01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,680 Speaker 1: have never expected, ever like not to be diminutive, but 1182 01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:59,080 Speaker 1: I've never expected a clothing brand or an Instagram boutique 1183 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:03,800 Speaker 1: to represent my entire community. I'm like, it's a clothing brand. Well. Also, 1184 01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,600 Speaker 1: our communities are so multile. I I I as someone 1185 01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,320 Speaker 1: living in l A, I know that I am never 1186 01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,320 Speaker 1: going to see the South American representation that I want 1187 01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,440 Speaker 1: you created exactly, which is what we're doing. What I 1188 01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,840 Speaker 1: my part, my role in the podcast is that we 1189 01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:23,880 Speaker 1: can uplift th South American voices, right, That's what I'm doing. 1190 01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:25,440 Speaker 1: So you know, I'm not going to put that on 1191 01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,280 Speaker 1: y'all and be like, um, you have your Votiqua sweaters, 1192 01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,320 Speaker 1: what about your Chelaca sweaters? Right about your Patuana sweaters? 1193 01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,960 Speaker 1: It's not your context, right, So, and we don't want 1194 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,560 Speaker 1: to stuff on anybody else. We don't want to get 1195 01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,000 Speaker 1: anybody else's But guess what, like if you hit us 1196 01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:39,520 Speaker 1: and you were like, hey, law, what if we did 1197 01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,440 Speaker 1: this together, odds are we'd be like cool, let's figure 1198 01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,560 Speaker 1: it out and we'll promote it for you. Ye are 1199 01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:50,000 Speaker 1: followers who want that, So that's kind of like go ahead, 1200 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,120 Speaker 1: you guys, sorry, you know that. That's just our point 1201 01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,320 Speaker 1: is like where again, it's also business one on one 1202 01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,440 Speaker 1: if you see something missing created, that's what we do, 1203 01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,800 Speaker 1: and we're not We can't represent everybody, especially, it's not 1204 01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,480 Speaker 1: right for us. No, and I want to say, you know, 1205 01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:10,160 Speaker 1: like if there's anybody who claims to represent everyone, it's 1206 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:15,880 Speaker 1: not genuine. It's so genuine. No, Yeah, there's so much, 1207 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:17,680 Speaker 1: there's many things. There's so much that we have to say, 1208 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,400 Speaker 1: but we also want to like touch on other topics. Yeah, 1209 01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,840 Speaker 1: that is really it's really important. The other thing is 1210 01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,000 Speaker 1: like what does it really look like? Or what are 1211 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:28,040 Speaker 1: the power dynamics that play? If two people who are 1212 01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,680 Speaker 1: not dark skinned people are only using images of dark 1213 01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:35,880 Speaker 1: skinned your clothes, then you're exploiting dark skinned people, right. 1214 01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,480 Speaker 1: There has to be props, you know, just to like 1215 01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:43,600 Speaker 1: photograph and exploit. Right, So there's that piece as well. 1216 01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,080 Speaker 1: So the other stuff that's come up. So there's this 1217 01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,000 Speaker 1: Twitter thread, right, and we kind of took the main 1218 01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:51,680 Speaker 1: point that we're um addressed so that we can kind 1219 01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:53,560 Speaker 1: of come back and talk about it. So there's this 1220 01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:57,520 Speaker 1: idea that Belladonna capitalizes off of like hood or chila 1221 01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,400 Speaker 1: culture and it just makes it more accessible to people 1222 01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:06,520 Speaker 1: without actually doing anything in return for the community, allegedly. Allegedly, 1223 01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,560 Speaker 1: that's like a hard one to even respond to, Like 1224 01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,720 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's almost like some aspects 1225 01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,760 Speaker 1: of these conversations, it's like, you know, we have multiple jobs, 1226 01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,960 Speaker 1: we have a lot to do in our day. Um, 1227 01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:23,160 Speaker 1: we have so much going on, and then to address 1228 01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,320 Speaker 1: like things that are so off base, you know what 1229 01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,080 Speaker 1: I mean. I'm like, just hit the like the tag 1230 01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,400 Speaker 1: photos and see who shops with us, right, do you 1231 01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,080 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like literally that's all you have 1232 01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:39,480 Speaker 1: to do with us and jam. Yeah, it's like when 1233 01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,480 Speaker 1: they say that, like, um, there you're exploiting you know, 1234 01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,960 Speaker 1: such and such culture. That's my culture too. Yeah. This 1235 01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,360 Speaker 1: is our this is how we grew up, These are 1236 01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,800 Speaker 1: our experiences, this is how our influences. We didn't just 1237 01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,560 Speaker 1: stumble into this. This is who we are, right. Who's 1238 01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:59,040 Speaker 1: why why don't we get to share our our narrative 1239 01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,720 Speaker 1: exactly our men with everybody? Why does that? Why is 1240 01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:05,760 Speaker 1: that a problem. It's interesting because I feel like sometimes 1241 01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,080 Speaker 1: like all, look like who's doing this call out right? 1242 01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, so you're also like a small business 1243 01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:15,400 Speaker 1: owner just starting out. You're also selling your narrative, you 1244 01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,320 Speaker 1: know what I mean, You're you're sharing that through your story. 1245 01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:20,640 Speaker 1: And then I'm like, okay, so like where's the line? 1246 01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,560 Speaker 1: Like why is it okay for some people and not 1247 01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,800 Speaker 1: for other people? But more than that, it's like the 1248 01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:29,680 Speaker 1: comment of this being made accessible for white people, Like 1249 01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:34,600 Speaker 1: we've actually been um very conscientious about like not doing 1250 01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,280 Speaker 1: wholesale accounts specific places where we feel like our customers 1251 01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:39,840 Speaker 1: won't be There's only one place you can buy the 1252 01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,880 Speaker 1: brain now, it's directly through us. We see what our 1253 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,120 Speaker 1: customers look like, we see their surnames, we know what 1254 01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,800 Speaker 1: neighborhoods these actions are going to. I'm not going to 1255 01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:53,240 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, guys. I do the sales tax for years now, 1256 01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,920 Speaker 1: and I know where our customers are and I promise 1257 01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,040 Speaker 1: you exactly they are not in Beverly Hills. Are where 1258 01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:04,000 Speaker 1: the the biggest chunk is in l A, California, Houston, 1259 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:11,120 Speaker 1: and they Chicago, New York. You know. Um, But it's 1260 01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,040 Speaker 1: really interesting because like I said that, you hit the tag. Yeah, 1261 01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, you see who shops 1262 01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,000 Speaker 1: with us, You see who we build like, who we 1263 01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:19,960 Speaker 1: build with. You see who our homegirls are. You see 1264 01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,200 Speaker 1: who our friends are like you see we literally what 1265 01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:27,040 Speaker 1: it is specifically have stayed UM out of UM having 1266 01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,800 Speaker 1: cell accounts so we can have because she said, so 1267 01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,120 Speaker 1: it's more direct with us. We're not gonna we're not 1268 01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,200 Speaker 1: gonna go We're not gonna go to urban outfitters. We're 1269 01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,360 Speaker 1: not going to go to these places where like how 1270 01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,200 Speaker 1: she said, we feel like our people aren't going to 1271 01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,000 Speaker 1: be there. They're gonna come to direct. And it's also 1272 01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:43,560 Speaker 1: interesting because there was a statement that, like, your clothing 1273 01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,640 Speaker 1: is not accessible to the hood or to the barrio 1274 01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,960 Speaker 1: cow it's too expensive, which I always think that that 1275 01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,840 Speaker 1: statement is very interesting. When people make statements about no 1276 01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,080 Speaker 1: one in the hood is spending money on on these 1277 01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,360 Speaker 1: luxury items, I'm like, that's literally not true, not true. 1278 01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,320 Speaker 1: We will like it doesn't really matter, like honestly, like 1279 01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,280 Speaker 1: in some cases the budget, if you want something, you're 1280 01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,320 Speaker 1: gonna get it. You're gonna save both perfect examples of that, 1281 01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,680 Speaker 1: Like I had a forty hour a week job in 1282 01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,640 Speaker 1: high school to get what I needed and what I wanted, 1283 01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:16,840 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But that's not really like again, 1284 01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,520 Speaker 1: like if you're going to say something about like our 1285 01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,080 Speaker 1: price point, make sure it's accurate. But I don't just 1286 01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:25,360 Speaker 1: take a new numbers to me. Who's to say that 1287 01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,520 Speaker 1: a girl that's that's from the Hold or lives in 1288 01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:30,600 Speaker 1: the hood, doesn't have a fucking education, has a good job. 1289 01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,000 Speaker 1: And that's what I have to say. We can't afford that. 1290 01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,240 Speaker 1: And first of all, our price point is still considered, 1291 01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:40,480 Speaker 1: especially in the streetwear world. Talk about talk about how 1292 01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:44,240 Speaker 1: much men's streetwear is okay coming from that world, and 1293 01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:47,960 Speaker 1: that's where our perspective is where influences have been. Um streetwear, 1294 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,640 Speaker 1: Like you a sweater and this is just like a 1295 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:54,000 Speaker 1: regular hundred dollars. This is just this is a basic price. 1296 01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:57,440 Speaker 1: And nobody I'm ever going to argue about men's streetwear 1297 01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:01,160 Speaker 1: brands and prices. So I remember my my first girlfriend, 1298 01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,640 Speaker 1: she was really into her is was and who knows 1299 01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,480 Speaker 1: it was really into Supreme and she spent like three 1300 01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:11,400 Speaker 1: on a hoodie. I was like, I'm like trying to 1301 01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,200 Speaker 1: look at what bags you guys have, like your Michael 1302 01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:16,640 Speaker 1: Cores bags. You're Louis Vuitton bag in your nails, how 1303 01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:18,720 Speaker 1: much you spent on your nails When I was unemployed, 1304 01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:22,680 Speaker 1: I still got my nails done exactly like your fancy 1305 01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:26,480 Speaker 1: your fancy foundation. And it's not to say that we're 1306 01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,480 Speaker 1: even on that, you know what I mean, that's not 1307 01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,880 Speaker 1: what our where our mentality is like, we just want 1308 01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,880 Speaker 1: your prices are not crazy at all? Well, and I mean, 1309 01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,560 Speaker 1: I guess it's all relative, like for somebody that maybe 1310 01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,200 Speaker 1: that maybe a lot, But we always kind of like 1311 01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,160 Speaker 1: I grew up with four sisters, I like, we were 1312 01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:43,840 Speaker 1: always like, hey, it's that thing, like maybe you won't 1313 01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:45,560 Speaker 1: go to Starbucks this week if you know we're going 1314 01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:47,640 Speaker 1: to have a drop on Friday. You know what I mean, 1315 01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:49,240 Speaker 1: It's that thing you don't really want to share with 1316 01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:50,800 Speaker 1: your sister. You don't want her to suck it up, 1317 01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:52,160 Speaker 1: you don't want her to spill on it, you know 1318 01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,840 Speaker 1: what I mean. It means something to you, it's meaningful, 1319 01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,520 Speaker 1: And that's really just a perspective that we came from. 1320 01:07:57,640 --> 01:07:59,640 Speaker 1: Like you know, you gotta keep in mind, like these 1321 01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,960 Speaker 1: photo shoots that we put on, we're paying all the 1322 01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:07,400 Speaker 1: models we're putting in that you know that time to like, shoot, 1323 01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,080 Speaker 1: these things, these are all we have an office all 1324 01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:15,400 Speaker 1: you also pay your designers, you hire people as well 1325 01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,480 Speaker 1: along the way to do these things with you. Absolutely, 1326 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,720 Speaker 1: and it's just you know, it's not even that it's 1327 01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,679 Speaker 1: just a lot of expensive. It's like we're literally here 1328 01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:28,240 Speaker 1: creating content like you don't just like repostings all day. 1329 01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,479 Speaker 1: It's all content that we're hoping is going to live forever. 1330 01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,240 Speaker 1: And let's talk about the content because another issue that 1331 01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:38,000 Speaker 1: has come up has been this idea of plagiarism, right, 1332 01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,320 Speaker 1: And I think that there's an intersection here of the 1333 01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,680 Speaker 1: rules when it comes like what is plagiarism? How do 1334 01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,960 Speaker 1: you actually define it? And where that intersect with the 1335 01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,200 Speaker 1: world that sh'all are in is with the street of 1336 01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,360 Speaker 1: street where right? And if you could talk a little bit, 1337 01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,800 Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about the plagiarism dragging that's 1338 01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,880 Speaker 1: been going on and sort of how you feel about 1339 01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,320 Speaker 1: it or what your responses to well, at first, actually 1340 01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,200 Speaker 1: before we get to that, because I want not you 1341 01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,519 Speaker 1: in particular, since you come from the street where background, 1342 01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,040 Speaker 1: like I want you to talk about kind of like 1343 01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:09,880 Speaker 1: the like everyone it's up for graps, everyone can do it. 1344 01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,040 Speaker 1: The thing is it's like, you know how how see 1345 01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:15,599 Speaker 1: where even started was every It was people um doing 1346 01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:20,799 Speaker 1: their own interpretation and pulling um pulling inspiration from iconic 1347 01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:26,360 Speaker 1: places like high end designers Vera and Pepper Dan is 1348 01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:32,040 Speaker 1: an example. So everybody had their different interpretation or their 1349 01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:35,120 Speaker 1: different you know, perspective of what that looked like. And 1350 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:39,320 Speaker 1: everything is completely up for grabs, and nobody nobody claims, 1351 01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:41,800 Speaker 1: oh I did this first, or only I could do this. No, 1352 01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,720 Speaker 1: every it's it's free game. We can all everybody who 1353 01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:46,880 Speaker 1: if you if you have an idea and it's gonna 1354 01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:48,760 Speaker 1: be good, it better be better than the last person. 1355 01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:50,600 Speaker 1: You better. If you're gonna come, you better come with 1356 01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:55,759 Speaker 1: the like their iconic logos and images. It's a great 1357 01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:59,000 Speaker 1: it's a great flip. And that ended up being like 1358 01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,320 Speaker 1: Crooks and Cat a lot of logo, a lot of 1359 01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:07,040 Speaker 1: exactly it's a lot of like Disneys, look right there. 1360 01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:10,160 Speaker 1: I did like a lot of Mickey Chanelle. Like there's 1361 01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:12,880 Speaker 1: that's all things. Everybody's kind of has their hands in 1362 01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,400 Speaker 1: the pot and everybody can grab it, and the game 1363 01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,320 Speaker 1: is like who could do it better? And it's okay, 1364 01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:21,040 Speaker 1: nobody owns them, and nobody nobody owns it exactly, the 1365 01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:25,240 Speaker 1: own the trademark exactly, right. Yeah, you're seeing it a 1366 01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:28,639 Speaker 1: lot with like song lyrics, right, like, which is something 1367 01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:30,439 Speaker 1: that you can get into a little bit. Yeah, kind 1368 01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:34,559 Speaker 1: of where you know. That's that's also been a big 1369 01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,599 Speaker 1: source of a lot of our issues with people thinking 1370 01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:41,120 Speaker 1: that we're copying them because they you know, maybe we 1371 01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:44,600 Speaker 1: made something similar or you know. The thing is is 1372 01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:48,000 Speaker 1: that we have our culture is pretty like our stable 1373 01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,600 Speaker 1: pieces are influences are pretty you know, it's like the 1374 01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,599 Speaker 1: grab bag. It's pretty narrow, it's pretty small. So we're 1375 01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,519 Speaker 1: all have our hands in the pot and we're all 1376 01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,560 Speaker 1: grabbing the same thing. Let's talk about some things that 1377 01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,960 Speaker 1: you guys have seen a lot and nobody owns love, 1378 01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:14,760 Speaker 1: no palace, pallets, hot Cheetos, food are stable all our 1379 01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,599 Speaker 1: staple things so that nobody exactly So these are all 1380 01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,799 Speaker 1: part of these are stable pieces and people of our culture. 1381 01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:25,160 Speaker 1: So like when we get accused of like oh you 1382 01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:28,480 Speaker 1: stole this or you didn't, I'm like, it's very confusing, 1383 01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,680 Speaker 1: especially coming from the background that we come from. It's 1384 01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,720 Speaker 1: it's like you own this by a trademark. I grew 1385 01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:36,439 Speaker 1: up to this, Like what are you talking about like 1386 01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,160 Speaker 1: you are just as much. You know what I'm saying, 1387 01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:41,360 Speaker 1: Like it's only it was inevitable, but you know what 1388 01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:45,120 Speaker 1: I'm saying, So that comes I think those accusations come 1389 01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:48,519 Speaker 1: at us. And then again, um, it's it's coupled with 1390 01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,040 Speaker 1: people making these wild allegations and bring in putting in 1391 01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:56,280 Speaker 1: their own like their own um opinions and making up 1392 01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:57,880 Speaker 1: things and then like you know, it kind of turns 1393 01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,120 Speaker 1: into telephone one person said this and in spirals out 1394 01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,080 Speaker 1: of control before you know it, they're like big gas rumors, right, 1395 01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,479 Speaker 1: Like that stemmed from you know, something that was an 1396 01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,000 Speaker 1: accurate right. So then here we are with another like 1397 01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,320 Speaker 1: big mess. Right. So and there was there's two examples, 1398 01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,599 Speaker 1: and I don't know if you're comfortable like getting into 1399 01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,960 Speaker 1: some details either one so there was issues with a 1400 01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:21,040 Speaker 1: hot cheetos pin um and then the nothing that Google 1401 01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:25,320 Speaker 1: debacle that took place recently recently. Well I could I 1402 01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,640 Speaker 1: could address a second one because it was directly involved me. 1403 01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,439 Speaker 1: And then I think just the hot cheetos pin was 1404 01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:35,080 Speaker 1: someone had made a hot cheetos pin before us, and 1405 01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:36,920 Speaker 1: once we were already in production, it was brought to 1406 01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:40,200 Speaker 1: our attention that someone you were already in production for 1407 01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:42,960 Speaker 1: your hot Yeah, our hot Cheeto pin was already made, 1408 01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,880 Speaker 1: and like I think we posted it or something. Yeah, 1409 01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,800 Speaker 1: that there there was like hey, like I'm already doing this, 1410 01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,720 Speaker 1: Like how dare you? You know what I mean? And 1411 01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,880 Speaker 1: we're like, oh my bad, like we didn't know. And 1412 01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:58,720 Speaker 1: like also like then when we looked into it, we're like, 1413 01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,559 Speaker 1: what we're doing it different. We're here for women. We're 1414 01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,200 Speaker 1: here for like women and fans, and like that's what 1415 01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:09,200 Speaker 1: that's who we're here for. You know, glitter it's little, 1416 01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:14,640 Speaker 1: it's it's very feminine, you know, our twist, And so 1417 01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:18,120 Speaker 1: I think like a lot of times, um, it's been 1418 01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,920 Speaker 1: interesting because like we know who we're here for and 1419 01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:25,920 Speaker 1: it's very specific who we're here for, and so um 1420 01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,160 Speaker 1: like and in that instance, like we we honestly didn't 1421 01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:32,160 Speaker 1: know like that was already happening. Then then we're like, okay, 1422 01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,559 Speaker 1: well we're doing it our own way, and like we can. 1423 01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:38,599 Speaker 1: There's there's enough room for everybody, you know what I mean, 1424 01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,280 Speaker 1: Like we're not going to take anything away from you, 1425 01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:44,800 Speaker 1: like with our glitter rendition of this thing that none 1426 01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:49,240 Speaker 1: of us own, you know, like like ladies or whatever, 1427 01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:52,240 Speaker 1: owns it, Like that's not that's not the case, you know, 1428 01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:54,960 Speaker 1: And it's like never the intention is never to like 1429 01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:58,599 Speaker 1: take away from anybody else. It's just too like, hey, 1430 01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,520 Speaker 1: like this is petche does't making an appearance in Belladonna 1431 01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,320 Speaker 1: since inception, you know what I mean, And like we've 1432 01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:07,280 Speaker 1: existed as a brand longer than a lot of other 1433 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:11,200 Speaker 1: new brands have, so it's just interesting, like of course 1434 01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:12,880 Speaker 1: we're going to do that, like you know what I mean, 1435 01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:16,200 Speaker 1: Like it's something that that's like, that's what we that's 1436 01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:17,960 Speaker 1: who we are, you know what I mean, Like you've 1437 01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,280 Speaker 1: been seeing it all around, so it's not like we 1438 01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,040 Speaker 1: just like pulled it out of thin air, you know 1439 01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:23,920 Speaker 1: what I mean. It's definitely been like a staple and 1440 01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,920 Speaker 1: an influence for us. So that's kind of like that's 1441 01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:28,920 Speaker 1: what happened with that. And again, like it's never the 1442 01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:32,120 Speaker 1: intention to take away from anybody or hurt anyone. It's 1443 01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:36,320 Speaker 1: just like we what we want doesn't exist, and if 1444 01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:40,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't exist, we're making it for us and for 1445 01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:45,280 Speaker 1: you know, like minded individuals who like glittery, fun girly things. 1446 01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,960 Speaker 1: I think more importantly, it's also the principle again, like 1447 01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:51,120 Speaker 1: where like I feel like if anybody should feel any 1448 01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:55,360 Speaker 1: kind of way, it's the you know, PepsiCo, it's it's hot, 1449 01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,599 Speaker 1: the creator of the right exactly. So our intentions are 1450 01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:02,000 Speaker 1: never to like not anybody. They're never to like, you know, 1451 01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:05,200 Speaker 1: steal anything from anybody. It's just that sometimes, like like 1452 01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,120 Speaker 1: how we said, we're all pulling from the same inspiration bag, 1453 01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:11,120 Speaker 1: and that's just sometimes it happens, and it's like, but 1454 01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,120 Speaker 1: the thing is, it's like, this is the part that 1455 01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:15,920 Speaker 1: gets confusing and turns into a big mess. Is not 1456 01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,440 Speaker 1: everybody sees it that way and they feel an ownership 1457 01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:20,880 Speaker 1: or they feel and so that's when it turns into 1458 01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:24,479 Speaker 1: a big mess because they let's talk about the recent 1459 01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:30,720 Speaker 1: with the shirt, and let's contextualize because those are song 1460 01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:36,720 Speaker 1: lyrics but iconic so that have been around for a 1461 01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:40,160 Speaker 1: long time. That every Latino party, you're gonna play that song, 1462 01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,920 Speaker 1: right and so um yeah, so we all know is 1463 01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:47,519 Speaker 1: like a staple if you grew up with the traditional 1464 01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:52,280 Speaker 1: life family, you know, also songs so um. In the 1465 01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,920 Speaker 1: spirit of the Woman's March, we were like, okay, we hadn't. 1466 01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,720 Speaker 1: We had intended to make these shirts for us to wear, 1467 01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,360 Speaker 1: but me and Laula were both having who would you 1468 01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:08,280 Speaker 1: want to say, a mental mental the march is overwhelming? Overwhelming? 1469 01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:11,840 Speaker 1: We did. We didn't go last year. It was just 1470 01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:15,519 Speaker 1: a lot and it was very panic attacks and anxiety. Yeah, 1471 01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,200 Speaker 1: it was just a lot. So like we we had 1472 01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:21,240 Speaker 1: every intention of like making these shirts to wear, and 1473 01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:23,280 Speaker 1: then then I felt like we're not going to go. Yeah. 1474 01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,320 Speaker 1: We were like, okay, we're not going. But she was 1475 01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:26,760 Speaker 1: like we should just post it to share and just 1476 01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,439 Speaker 1: kind of stand in like, you know, support of what 1477 01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,000 Speaker 1: everybody's doing in the intention of the day. Right, So 1478 01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,400 Speaker 1: even before that that day, I had, um, I was 1479 01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:38,479 Speaker 1: supposed to have designed it the night before, okay, and 1480 01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:42,120 Speaker 1: I said, in't and it happens yeah, and so um, 1481 01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,360 Speaker 1: I was like I didn't have any inspiration for it. 1482 01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,120 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't, I know, I wanted those lyrics. 1483 01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, that song is that's exactly what it is. Um. 1484 01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:50,599 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's about you know, a woman kind 1485 01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:52,559 Speaker 1: of sticking up for herself and like, you know whatever. 1486 01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:56,000 Speaker 1: So um it fits the situation perfectly. And I couldn't 1487 01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,080 Speaker 1: find inspiration. I couldn't figure out and I'm like, okay, 1488 01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:02,439 Speaker 1: let me just google because um, I had recently noticed 1489 01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,040 Speaker 1: I was really paying attention to album covers of Los 1490 01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:08,400 Speaker 1: Angeles and their logo is so cute. So I was like, oh, 1491 01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,680 Speaker 1: let me go back and look at so that I 1492 01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:12,960 Speaker 1: think I meet this album covers because they have so many. 1493 01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:14,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, let me see if I find something that 1494 01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:16,680 Speaker 1: could like push me in the right direction. So I 1495 01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,280 Speaker 1: started like kind of lurking in their older albums, whether 1496 01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,360 Speaker 1: it was like the seventies or eighties, and so it 1497 01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:24,479 Speaker 1: was a specific type of writing style. It was more 1498 01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:26,360 Speaker 1: of like handwritten. I was like, oh, perfect, I could 1499 01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,439 Speaker 1: do something handwritten. You know what I did? I went 1500 01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,599 Speaker 1: and this was as in a designer's kind of embarrassing 1501 01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,479 Speaker 1: because it's it's a lazy way of doing this. I 1502 01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,400 Speaker 1: just googled free fonts. First thing that came up. I 1503 01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,320 Speaker 1: searched handwritten fonts. That was the first one that I 1504 01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:42,120 Speaker 1: liked that came up that I liked, downloaded it, made it, 1505 01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,040 Speaker 1: and then we added our little switch blade and that 1506 01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:46,760 Speaker 1: I Sword of God. That was that posted it up. 1507 01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,560 Speaker 1: Two seconds later, it's people coming like you stole this 1508 01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,320 Speaker 1: from such and such and she's like, hey, what's going on? 1509 01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:53,640 Speaker 1: And I'm like looking. I'm like, oh, I don't know 1510 01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:55,960 Speaker 1: who this person is. So I'm trying to figure out, 1511 01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,160 Speaker 1: like why are they saying this? Like what the hell? Um? 1512 01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,439 Speaker 1: Then the girl how they came at like you, you 1513 01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,760 Speaker 1: guys are thieves, you stole this. Um the girl who 1514 01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,960 Speaker 1: apparently there was somebody who had already been making like 1515 01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,800 Speaker 1: I guess underwear with the same nothing toole with the 1516 01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,479 Speaker 1: same hand, with the same writing style and a little 1517 01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:15,880 Speaker 1: peach and she was like, Hi, I'm the artist you 1518 01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,120 Speaker 1: stole this from. I was like, I've never seen you 1519 01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,040 Speaker 1: in my life. I have no idea who you are. 1520 01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,680 Speaker 1: I literally I just told you my thought process and 1521 01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:25,479 Speaker 1: how I came to what I did. We didn't even 1522 01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:27,080 Speaker 1: make the shirts. They were just so like we were 1523 01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,080 Speaker 1: gonna make them for her and I and we said it. 1524 01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,920 Speaker 1: We weren't selling them and we weren't gonna we weren't 1525 01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:35,479 Speaker 1: gonna make them ever. So I'm like, I think that 1526 01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:38,040 Speaker 1: the way um again with like with all, I feel 1527 01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,200 Speaker 1: like the way that I might have responded is what 1528 01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:43,639 Speaker 1: caused also was a trigger. But at the same time, 1529 01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:46,640 Speaker 1: I feel like, how how do you again? And this 1530 01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,240 Speaker 1: maybe a little makes me a little um a little 1531 01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:53,920 Speaker 1: uh antiquated or whatever. But I'm I'm from the culture 1532 01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,320 Speaker 1: of like, you don't get to act how you want online. 1533 01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:58,320 Speaker 1: You don't get to talk to people like that. Like 1534 01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:02,680 Speaker 1: so when somebody's coming at like aggressively and I'm a 1535 01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:06,040 Speaker 1: human and you're accusing me of stealing something from you, 1536 01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,599 Speaker 1: when I know that I have not. I've been doing 1537 01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,439 Speaker 1: this for twelve years maybe more. You I've told you 1538 01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:13,600 Speaker 1: who some of the people I've worked with. My integrity 1539 01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,080 Speaker 1: as an artist and who I am as a person 1540 01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,200 Speaker 1: means more to me than than making a few bucks. 1541 01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:21,519 Speaker 1: We've passed up on things we don't feel right about 1542 01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:24,080 Speaker 1: because that's just who we are. So you're coming at me, 1543 01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,800 Speaker 1: you're accusing me of stealing something. It was a very 1544 01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,720 Speaker 1: simple design, like not to offend her, Like I told 1545 01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:31,719 Speaker 1: you it was a stock design. I mean a stof 1546 01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,960 Speaker 1: font and anybody has access to And you know, the 1547 01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:37,519 Speaker 1: the lyrics are not even original, they're not ours. It's 1548 01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,680 Speaker 1: been doing millions of times. So um, I replied to her. 1549 01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:43,200 Speaker 1: I was like she was. They wanted me to apologize 1550 01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:45,519 Speaker 1: to her, Like, I'm not apologizing to you because I 1551 01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:49,160 Speaker 1: didn't do anything, like like, I'm really sorry that you know, 1552 01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,360 Speaker 1: um like I might have said something condescending, cause I 1553 01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:53,800 Speaker 1: think at this point I was super irritate because I 1554 01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:55,639 Speaker 1: demed her. I said, hey, first of all, you could 1555 01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:58,000 Speaker 1: have deemed me. You could have talked about this privately 1556 01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:00,439 Speaker 1: and I could have explained to you, or even then 1557 01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:02,439 Speaker 1: I could have been like, hey, we're not selling our stuff, 1558 01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:05,080 Speaker 1: but we can promote yours, like send me a cute 1559 01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,639 Speaker 1: picture and we post it for anybody who was interested. 1560 01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,080 Speaker 1: But it did happened that way. It immediately went to 1561 01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:14,519 Speaker 1: accusing too sending people. It just turned into a big mess. 1562 01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,760 Speaker 1: And so you know, to me, I was not in 1563 01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:21,400 Speaker 1: like you. You don't. You didn't want a resolution. You 1564 01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:23,559 Speaker 1: wanted to come and you wanted to fight. Well that's 1565 01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:25,840 Speaker 1: and that goes back to our question, right, the call 1566 01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:28,760 Speaker 1: out and the drag is for what exactly there was 1567 01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:31,400 Speaker 1: You weren't trying to get a resolution, because that's if 1568 01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,280 Speaker 1: you were. We were in the streets and you come 1569 01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,120 Speaker 1: at me like that, You're trying to fight me and 1570 01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,040 Speaker 1: not like, hey, can we talk like there's like an issue? 1571 01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:41,080 Speaker 1: I feel some kind of way no, And I think 1572 01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:45,560 Speaker 1: I think that something we should add is there was 1573 01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,760 Speaker 1: a problem like a week or two before where we 1574 01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,760 Speaker 1: used a design that we were under the impression was 1575 01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:54,439 Speaker 1: clip art. It's almost like you know when you um 1576 01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,920 Speaker 1: in the new almost like the clip art that you 1577 01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,640 Speaker 1: could have used on my Space or like now in 1578 01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:01,800 Speaker 1: Instagram when you do your stories you can add like 1579 01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,920 Speaker 1: those new and it's kind of like the Instagram me 1580 01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:08,400 Speaker 1: like what's it called the gifts exactly. So we were 1581 01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:12,800 Speaker 1: under the impression that this was like clip art inspired 1582 01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:18,320 Speaker 1: old MySpace design. Okay, um, And so we even had 1583 01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,120 Speaker 1: asked like a few people like have you seen this? 1584 01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:22,560 Speaker 1: Do you know what this is? And they're like no, 1585 01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:24,519 Speaker 1: Like I think it's I think it's what you guys 1586 01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:28,400 Speaker 1: are thinking. So we ended up revamping this design, flipping it, 1587 01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:33,960 Speaker 1: and um, it ended up being someone's design, and he 1588 01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:38,320 Speaker 1: reached out to us and immediately we apologize. We were 1589 01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:41,000 Speaker 1: in conversation about like how to rectify it. He was 1590 01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:43,160 Speaker 1: very very nice, how can we can we pay you 1591 01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,320 Speaker 1: for it? We love it? Like yeah, no, And he 1592 01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:47,479 Speaker 1: was very open, you know what I mean. He was 1593 01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:51,920 Speaker 1: like really really nice about the whole thing, like, hey, 1594 01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:53,360 Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, let's talk about this. 1595 01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:55,720 Speaker 1: And so we were already in conversation with him, but 1596 01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:59,160 Speaker 1: of course, like this isn't on the timeline for everyone 1597 01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:01,880 Speaker 1: to see words like the email thread and it's not 1598 01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:05,800 Speaker 1: really our place to post words. Yeah you know what 1599 01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:08,160 Speaker 1: I mean, and like put him in that situation, but 1600 01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,600 Speaker 1: he was very very kind and very like receptive and 1601 01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:15,320 Speaker 1: just handled it with so much grace and so professional. 1602 01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:18,360 Speaker 1: Yeah yeahah, so but that had happened, and I think again, 1603 01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:21,960 Speaker 1: like now people now people are upset with us, um 1604 01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:27,400 Speaker 1: and so like that had recently happened flash forward into this. 1605 01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:31,640 Speaker 1: It's like, ah, like yeah, do you know what I mean? 1606 01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:35,320 Speaker 1: And that was like, like I said, like the initial 1607 01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:38,280 Speaker 1: piece of art. Like sometimes like where she could happen, 1608 01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,880 Speaker 1: Like you could buy a design from someone and um, 1609 01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,160 Speaker 1: like you think I'm buying it from you, and then 1610 01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:46,240 Speaker 1: someone else pops out of the woodwork like actually I 1611 01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,400 Speaker 1: am the one who designed that, you know what I mean. 1612 01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:51,400 Speaker 1: And I know what's interesting too, is like there are 1613 01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:55,080 Speaker 1: artists right who like won't put up any art in 1614 01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:58,160 Speaker 1: their houses, no art in their houses, they won't go 1615 01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:01,600 Speaker 1: to art shows. They're not following other artists online specifically 1616 01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:05,679 Speaker 1: so that they're not being subconsciously influent that all the time, 1617 01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:07,880 Speaker 1: I don't look at ship. I don't follow people because 1618 01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,599 Speaker 1: it does happen that we're all being exposed. Really, we're 1619 01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:12,760 Speaker 1: all being exposed to the same material over and over 1620 01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,519 Speaker 1: and over again. So there is like a collective sort 1621 01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:19,400 Speaker 1: of like imagination that's going on. So the issue that 1622 01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:22,040 Speaker 1: I think that we want to address is not like, oh, 1623 01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,720 Speaker 1: you know, there's no such thing as plagiarism or it's 1624 01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:26,560 Speaker 1: not possible. No no, no, no no. We want to 1625 01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:30,479 Speaker 1: be clear on what it means plagiarism and laws against 1626 01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:35,320 Speaker 1: plagiarism exists specifically so that an artists bottom line is 1627 01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:38,320 Speaker 1: not being affected because their original work is being sold 1628 01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:43,559 Speaker 1: by someone else. That's why plagiarism, like as a concept exists, 1629 01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:47,080 Speaker 1: and there there's legality around it and contracts and this 1630 01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:48,880 Speaker 1: and that and this and that, right because it has 1631 01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:51,959 Speaker 1: to do with affecting the bottom line. My problem obviously 1632 01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:56,519 Speaker 1: with the nothing situation. Number one, you weren't selling the shirt. 1633 01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:00,800 Speaker 1: I want to know was anybody else is bottom line 1634 01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:04,280 Speaker 1: affected by you, you know, making those shirts for the 1635 01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:07,439 Speaker 1: Women's March? No, you know what I mean? Number two, 1636 01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:12,400 Speaker 1: um song lyrics that don't belong to you and stock 1637 01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:15,160 Speaker 1: a stock free font do not an original design make 1638 01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:18,360 Speaker 1: I'm sorry that was kind of that was not it's 1639 01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:21,599 Speaker 1: not that was not an original design. And how many 1640 01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:25,960 Speaker 1: other brands have nothing on their products, you know how much? 1641 01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:29,480 Speaker 1: Right now? Mind, I saw the Woman's March right specifically, 1642 01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:34,320 Speaker 1: so nobody owns that except nobody. So the gate keeping 1643 01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:37,439 Speaker 1: of the culture is I think where I take issues. Well, 1644 01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:40,560 Speaker 1: there's like some like very iconic sayings, you know that 1645 01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,439 Speaker 1: like you can't really say like one person owns them, right, 1646 01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:52,320 Speaker 1: Like the Nissan is one example, the Semia however, that's 1647 01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:54,800 Speaker 1: saying goes exactly. So there's like these iconic things that 1648 01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:57,760 Speaker 1: like really shape us as a culture, right, but we 1649 01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,280 Speaker 1: don't necessarily own them, right. So that's why it's so 1650 01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:05,080 Speaker 1: confusing me when people like feel like they have own 1651 01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:07,120 Speaker 1: ship or just you know, I mean. And and to 1652 01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,679 Speaker 1: extend that further, there's like certain things that we've made 1653 01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,760 Speaker 1: up that I never saw before we wrote, you know 1654 01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:15,639 Speaker 1: what I mean, maybe like not your hina a better cute, 1655 01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:18,680 Speaker 1: Like these are things like you know, even certain um 1656 01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:21,000 Speaker 1: like concepts and things like that, like from my Homegirls 1657 01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:24,160 Speaker 1: record which inspired like the pins and like all these things. 1658 01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,040 Speaker 1: And it's like I'll see a lot of these things, 1659 01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:30,479 Speaker 1: um now on other people's merch, on mugs, on all 1660 01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:34,559 Speaker 1: kinds of things, and honestly, um like unless it's forever 1661 01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,280 Speaker 1: twenty one, you know what I mean, we just keep 1662 01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:40,120 Speaker 1: a pushing. We never from like exactly, we don't call people, 1663 01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:42,840 Speaker 1: we don't say nothing, but we might get between or 1664 01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:45,280 Speaker 1: not if that, but that's it. We just keep in 1665 01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:48,759 Speaker 1: the things. This again coming from our backgrounds. Even with Honeybee, 1666 01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:51,040 Speaker 1: when when Nikki and all these you know, celebrities started 1667 01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:54,600 Speaker 1: wearing my stuff, China was mass producing um and my my, 1668 01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:57,160 Speaker 1: all my my pieces. I would go to the Slauce 1669 01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:58,720 Speaker 1: and or the swap Means and the Bautiques and I 1670 01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:01,120 Speaker 1: would see all my bootlegs. Wow. Yeah. And you know 1671 01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:03,679 Speaker 1: what I said, I wasn't like trying to call everybody 1672 01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:05,360 Speaker 1: out and get I was like, oh that's dope, I 1673 01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:08,560 Speaker 1: made it, you know. And that's just what you do 1674 01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:11,080 Speaker 1: better and exactly do keep it pushing, and you just 1675 01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:13,080 Speaker 1: keep it pushing, you do better and you just you know, 1676 01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:15,000 Speaker 1: you challenge yourself more. And that's just what it is. 1677 01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:18,240 Speaker 1: So that's also we come from that. We don't we 1678 01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:22,000 Speaker 1: don't we don't participate in that call out culture. Just 1679 01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:25,680 Speaker 1: do you, Yeah, because what does accountability really look like? 1680 01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,640 Speaker 1: What does it mean when we're being called out in 1681 01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:34,320 Speaker 1: these like very dramatic, very harmful ways, what accountability really 1682 01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:37,439 Speaker 1: look like? And we're they're also the really threatening comments 1683 01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:42,800 Speaker 1: made to you all in these other more recent drags. No, 1684 01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:45,920 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't remember seeing anything really threatening or 1685 01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:48,640 Speaker 1: like that again, just more like fairy tales. Like I 1686 01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:50,519 Speaker 1: think more recently is when I was like when I 1687 01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:54,559 Speaker 1: saw like, oh, they don't like Central Americans, like we're 1688 01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:57,840 Speaker 1: come sure, like what you know what I mean? So 1689 01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:01,080 Speaker 1: there was, but I haven't seen anything more retneing. Um. 1690 01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:03,840 Speaker 1: What I do think is really interesting is again when 1691 01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,479 Speaker 1: we talk about like the gatekeepers of culture, right, the 1692 01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:10,479 Speaker 1: gatekeepers of culture, UM, A lot of things that we 1693 01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:16,640 Speaker 1: do go against like traditional quote unquote Chicano culture, Like 1694 01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:22,479 Speaker 1: our culture is plagued by racism, um uh, homophobia. These 1695 01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:27,120 Speaker 1: are things that we like, we're so against, you know 1696 01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:30,599 Speaker 1: what I mean. It's things that UM like scam and Jam, 1697 01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,360 Speaker 1: which is our monthly party we have. Let's talk about 1698 01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:35,320 Speaker 1: when we talked about scam and Jam, or we just 1699 01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:38,040 Speaker 1: even talk about models that we've used. Like, it's really 1700 01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:41,720 Speaker 1: interesting to me that like what we do breaks out 1701 01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:47,320 Speaker 1: of like the Catholicism kind of like patriarchal mind frame, right, 1702 01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:50,679 Speaker 1: Like how dare we use two women who just kiss? 1703 01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:53,640 Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean? And it's never been, um, 1704 01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:57,080 Speaker 1: it was never contrived. It's never been like, hey, this 1705 01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:58,519 Speaker 1: is we're gonna do and we're gonna set you up 1706 01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:00,320 Speaker 1: and then like no, it's just like we hang like 1707 01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:02,360 Speaker 1: we would hang out, have a shoot and like let's 1708 01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,920 Speaker 1: just shoot and have fun and you have lunch and 1709 01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:08,439 Speaker 1: you know, almost like we're sitting here today. Um. And 1710 01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:10,880 Speaker 1: it's been really interesting to see that like a lot 1711 01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:14,360 Speaker 1: of the things that we do rub people the wrong way, um, 1712 01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:18,640 Speaker 1: and especially rubs men the wrong way. Right, and um, 1713 01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:24,280 Speaker 1: that's a whole another you know. But like I think that, um, 1714 01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:28,840 Speaker 1: you know, seeing women choose to tell their story the 1715 01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:34,320 Speaker 1: way they see it. Um, whether it's in fucking pink 1716 01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:40,360 Speaker 1: glitter or if it's in a freaking rainbow or however 1717 01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:44,200 Speaker 1: we want to display our pride and our love for 1718 01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:47,280 Speaker 1: our culture and our community, like we can do that, 1719 01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:51,120 Speaker 1: Like we can do that. It's two thousand motherfucking eighteen, 1720 01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:53,760 Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. Um, So I just 1721 01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:56,840 Speaker 1: think that it's just been an interesting time, like you know, 1722 01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:01,320 Speaker 1: like callouts from boys, um, harassment from men. I want 1723 01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:04,720 Speaker 1: to point that out too, because I noticed and I've 1724 01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:09,600 Speaker 1: heard from multiple women, um, who are just friends in 1725 01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:16,040 Speaker 1: the community, artists, creators, journalists, writers, customers, they've worked with you, whatever, 1726 01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:18,080 Speaker 1: just women who have been around who were like I 1727 01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,080 Speaker 1: want to say, there have been a couple of men 1728 01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:23,320 Speaker 1: who have been very aggressively like been leading the charge 1729 01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:27,160 Speaker 1: on Instagram against you guys. It's very bizarre and like 1730 01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:30,200 Speaker 1: like one man in particular who's been in like the 1731 01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:33,080 Speaker 1: d m s of all these different women basically trying 1732 01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:36,680 Speaker 1: to like instigate stuff against Belladonna and trying to get 1733 01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:40,160 Speaker 1: different moheadas in the community to like post about you 1734 01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:42,680 Speaker 1: all or participate in the drag or get us in 1735 01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:46,080 Speaker 1: touch with RASCLA or whatever. And I'm like, honey, like 1736 01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:49,240 Speaker 1: Belladonna's didn't even make clothes for men, why are you so? 1737 01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:51,080 Speaker 1: I want to put that out there too. It's all 1738 01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:53,640 Speaker 1: the mohata is online. When you see men who are 1739 01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:58,479 Speaker 1: hyper involved in women's issues in women's spaces and instigating drama, 1740 01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:01,920 Speaker 1: don't support that. Don't support that. That's weird, no place 1741 01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:04,559 Speaker 1: for it. Being mindful when these men are using these 1742 01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:10,840 Speaker 1: opportunities to be misogynistic to be women and then make 1743 01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:14,920 Speaker 1: their own like anti machista gear at the same time. 1744 01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:18,320 Speaker 1: And then let's ask you run into homeboy in the 1745 01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:21,519 Speaker 1: community out you know, in the world, is he going 1746 01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:23,720 Speaker 1: to say anything to right? Right? He can talk a 1747 01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:25,559 Speaker 1: big game and talk a lot of shit about women 1748 01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:28,760 Speaker 1: on the internet, but in real life, face to facetta, 1749 01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:32,040 Speaker 1: what happens, right, not a damn thing. And this is 1750 01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:33,960 Speaker 1: also the other thing that I don't like it all. 1751 01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:35,799 Speaker 1: It's it's a lot of it's a lot of punk 1752 01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:39,640 Speaker 1: punk ship going on on the internet under the auspices 1753 01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:42,799 Speaker 1: the guys of social justice. I don't buy it. It's bunny, 1754 01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:44,720 Speaker 1: and that's why I don't participate it, right, I don't 1755 01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:46,760 Speaker 1: like it. And I think like we need to move 1756 01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:50,160 Speaker 1: beyond call out and actually talk about like like checking in, right, 1757 01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:52,320 Speaker 1: because our communities are so small that we're going to 1758 01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:57,800 Speaker 1: keep running into We're literally all work together, Like, so 1759 01:30:57,920 --> 01:30:59,200 Speaker 1: what do you what do you all want to You 1760 01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:02,640 Speaker 1: cannot with not with everybody, not funk with all the 1761 01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:06,440 Speaker 1: other women that are creating. But if I don't poisonous 1762 01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:08,600 Speaker 1: that is in the community, And why we're not going 1763 01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,320 Speaker 1: to be able to grow because everybody's trying to turn 1764 01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:14,679 Speaker 1: against each other and instead of like let's um, maybe 1765 01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:16,800 Speaker 1: let's educate each other or maybe like we can learn 1766 01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:20,760 Speaker 1: stuff from each other. Yeah, people make mistakes and let 1767 01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:25,839 Speaker 1: people grows. And I do think that online with the drags, 1768 01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:29,879 Speaker 1: people are like super sensitive about anything that women creators 1769 01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:32,120 Speaker 1: are doing. Like you all can get dragged for the 1770 01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:36,639 Speaker 1: tiniest thing. I have only really seen Latino like men 1771 01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:39,840 Speaker 1: online being dragged when they have literally been called out 1772 01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:43,760 Speaker 1: for being sexual predators right like rapist. There's a huge discrepancy. 1773 01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:45,800 Speaker 1: So I also want us to think about when you 1774 01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:49,480 Speaker 1: all are engaging in pylons of women of color creators 1775 01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,240 Speaker 1: because they said something wrong or there was a misstep, 1776 01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:55,040 Speaker 1: and all these dudes are in here stoking the flames, 1777 01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:57,840 Speaker 1: why is it? What's the purpose? And how many of 1778 01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:01,080 Speaker 1: those dudes are checking on their men in their communities 1779 01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:04,280 Speaker 1: and their homeboys. They're not, they're not. So I just 1780 01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:06,879 Speaker 1: want to put that out there. And and the standards 1781 01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,360 Speaker 1: that we hold each other too are very different. Still 1782 01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:12,599 Speaker 1: there's still a disparity. It's still it's not level, it's 1783 01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:15,200 Speaker 1: not level um. But you know, I want to thank 1784 01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:18,680 Speaker 1: y'all for having this really kendid interview. Having us in 1785 01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:21,840 Speaker 1: your space, getting to know us, stetting to know y'all 1786 01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:23,760 Speaker 1: has been you know, blessing, and you know, we want 1787 01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:25,840 Speaker 1: to continue working with y'all. I think this has a 1788 01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:31,719 Speaker 1: good time for us to wrap us yet, to share 1789 01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:39,240 Speaker 1: some way boys before listeners staring starting ways, working on 1790 01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:41,240 Speaker 1: their own platforms are just in general. What do you 1791 01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:44,240 Speaker 1: want them to take away from this interview? Well, I 1792 01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:47,080 Speaker 1: think it was really important to me that to both 1793 01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,479 Speaker 1: of us actually, that they've kind of heard our side, 1794 01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:51,880 Speaker 1: because I don't think we ever not once have we 1795 01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:55,400 Speaker 1: ever said hey, this is our truth. Yeah, this is 1796 01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:58,479 Speaker 1: our version of what happened. And you know, we've never 1797 01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:01,800 Speaker 1: really stuck up ourselves in that way, right, So what 1798 01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:04,360 Speaker 1: was that your question? Or was it more like what 1799 01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:06,600 Speaker 1: we're wrapping up? Oh? I thought it was more like 1800 01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:08,759 Speaker 1: what we could tell them about starting their own business 1801 01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:13,880 Speaker 1: and not focus on I thought it was more like 1802 01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:19,240 Speaker 1: whether that when you're thinking about that, you know. So 1803 01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:22,040 Speaker 1: basically it was just really important for us, for me um, 1804 01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:24,439 Speaker 1: for them to hear the side of us. And I'm 1805 01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:26,600 Speaker 1: really grateful and happy that we got this opportunity to 1806 01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:28,080 Speaker 1: do so with you guys, and I think it was 1807 01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:31,960 Speaker 1: really beautifully done. And also as far as like like 1808 01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:34,240 Speaker 1: any kind of advice, not even just business, just in life, 1809 01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:38,120 Speaker 1: Like I feel like you are the master of your 1810 01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:40,880 Speaker 1: own universe and anything and everything that you want could 1811 01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:45,240 Speaker 1: be manifested and created by you, Like as long as 1812 01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:48,840 Speaker 1: you truly one thousand percent believe in yourself and you're 1813 01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:51,600 Speaker 1: willing to do and to hustle and to do the 1814 01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:54,799 Speaker 1: work that's necessary and to not give up. And sometimes 1815 01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,120 Speaker 1: the work I think when people talk about the work, 1816 01:33:57,840 --> 01:33:59,720 Speaker 1: for me, a lot of times the work was like 1817 01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:03,280 Speaker 1: internal stuff, right, it was like therapy. It was sometimes 1818 01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:07,080 Speaker 1: things that are like really expensive like therapy, and that's 1819 01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:10,600 Speaker 1: getting that type of mental help. Um, that's that's a 1820 01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:12,720 Speaker 1: lot of work, you know what I mean. So I 1821 01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:15,800 Speaker 1: think that type of work is also really important when 1822 01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:18,280 Speaker 1: we have these conversations. And even though even the work 1823 01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:20,080 Speaker 1: of being honest with yourself, I feel like a lot 1824 01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:23,080 Speaker 1: of people, um will be like, um, they get really 1825 01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:25,240 Speaker 1: down on themselves, like I try you know this and 1826 01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:27,800 Speaker 1: that and it's not working. It doesn't work, you know what, 1827 01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:30,200 Speaker 1: will be honest with yourself. Maybe that's not good enough 1828 01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:32,240 Speaker 1: to go back to the drawing board and trying again 1829 01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:34,920 Speaker 1: and keep trying until you get it write. And so 1830 01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:37,080 Speaker 1: that's a lot of people, I feel like, don't see 1831 01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:39,040 Speaker 1: it that way, and they'll just give up. And that's 1832 01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:42,400 Speaker 1: also the work of being honest with yourself and continuously 1833 01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:45,800 Speaker 1: trying again until you figure out what's going to work. Also, 1834 01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:49,439 Speaker 1: I think that, like UM, in this age of social media, 1835 01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:51,320 Speaker 1: like a lot of times you're only seeing the results. 1836 01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:54,720 Speaker 1: Like for us specifically, this is like fifteen years in 1837 01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:58,080 Speaker 1: the making, Like this is the result of fifteen years 1838 01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:01,040 Speaker 1: of like trial and error and sucking up and growing 1839 01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:03,680 Speaker 1: and you know, going back to the drawing board. So 1840 01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:05,720 Speaker 1: I think it's really hard, Like it would be really 1841 01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:07,880 Speaker 1: hard for me as a teenager now, just like you're 1842 01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:10,800 Speaker 1: always seeing the results. You're seeing like you know, the 1843 01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:15,559 Speaker 1: after picture. The internet is not real, you guys, really 1844 01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:20,720 Speaker 1: it's And I just I know that, like UM, that 1845 01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:25,639 Speaker 1: your listeners are like really smart and really forward thinking, 1846 01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:29,120 Speaker 1: and no, I know, I like I'm a huge fan 1847 01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:32,320 Speaker 1: of the podcast and like all of the content and 1848 01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:35,280 Speaker 1: the conversations that you have, and so I'm like i 1849 01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:37,439 Speaker 1: feel like I'm really in sync with like who your 1850 01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:40,799 Speaker 1: listeners are. And I think that it's just so important 1851 01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:43,600 Speaker 1: to know, like there's your stories are really important, like 1852 01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:46,360 Speaker 1: the listener, whoever's listening right now, Like your narrative is 1853 01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:49,400 Speaker 1: really important, and especially if you're going to move into 1854 01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:53,040 Speaker 1: the arts, like tell your authentic story, um, because not 1855 01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:56,120 Speaker 1: only will it be like therapeutic for you and help 1856 01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:58,599 Speaker 1: you flourish, but also someone else, it's going to help 1857 01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:01,840 Speaker 1: a lot of other people. UM feel you know what 1858 01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:03,640 Speaker 1: I mean, and feel like they matter and feel like 1859 01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:05,880 Speaker 1: they count in the world where you like a lot 1860 01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:10,240 Speaker 1: of times don't feel that way personally. I love those takeaways. 1861 01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:14,679 Speaker 1: Thank you for sitting down and for burying your souls 1862 01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:17,680 Speaker 1: and for talking about the things. And I know that 1863 01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:20,519 Speaker 1: it's been tough, and to be honest, like the dragging 1864 01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:23,400 Speaker 1: has made me really upset. I don't think it's justified. 1865 01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:25,800 Speaker 1: I don't think you all deserve it. And I want 1866 01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:28,519 Speaker 1: to say that, you know, like for and again for 1867 01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:32,400 Speaker 1: our listeners, that we're not in support. We are not 1868 01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:37,360 Speaker 1: in support of the dragon culture, the threats, the abusive language, 1869 01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:41,080 Speaker 1: you know, the slander. We don't support it, we're not 1870 01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:43,040 Speaker 1: behind it, and we don't condone it. You know what 1871 01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:45,000 Speaker 1: I mean right, No, I just want to say, like 1872 01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:47,880 Speaker 1: on a very personal level, like La La you like 1873 01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:50,400 Speaker 1: when I was going through some of my darkest periods 1874 01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:53,000 Speaker 1: in the summer, like Lalla was a real last home girl. 1875 01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:54,760 Speaker 1: I was going to personal stuff in La La was 1876 01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:57,240 Speaker 1: like always checking on me, and it was like a 1877 01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,960 Speaker 1: real last friend. So this isn't just like oh, these 1878 01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:02,479 Speaker 1: or two brands coming together, Like No, like y'all our 1879 01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:04,680 Speaker 1: actual homegirls, you know, and that's why, like we can 1880 01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:08,800 Speaker 1: vouch for y'all human being. It's really interesting again, people 1881 01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:12,400 Speaker 1: like they don't know that like we know know each other, 1882 01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:15,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Or like like what like 1883 01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:17,600 Speaker 1: what the other level of friendship is like, especially you know, 1884 01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:19,400 Speaker 1: I like very private, so a lot of things are 1885 01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:21,439 Speaker 1: not seeing like you know on my I G story 1886 01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:24,400 Speaker 1: like us hanging out here at the office. But yeah, 1887 01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:26,960 Speaker 1: I think it's just really important that, like the work 1888 01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:29,439 Speaker 1: that you guys are doing is so important. We're so 1889 01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:33,760 Speaker 1: impressed by you guys were so we're huge fans and 1890 01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:35,960 Speaker 1: if there was any place to have this conversation, trust, 1891 01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:42,960 Speaker 1: this is the only place we're happening. Announcement announcement, So 1892 01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:44,920 Speaker 1: what do you have coming up next? What else can 1893 01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:48,720 Speaker 1: we expect. Okay, so we're really excited because something that 1894 01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:52,000 Speaker 1: I participated in in the last like almost the last 1895 01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:55,519 Speaker 1: ten years is there's this event called the Cinderella Project 1896 01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:57,880 Speaker 1: at a place called Home, which is a nonprofit. It's 1897 01:37:57,920 --> 01:37:59,840 Speaker 1: kind of like an actual school program and sell Central. 1898 01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:04,400 Speaker 1: It's an amazing place, um where kids can get all 1899 01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:07,800 Speaker 1: kinds of resources from like music training to dance to 1900 01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:12,639 Speaker 1: like computer graphic design like everything. But they have something 1901 01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:16,320 Speaker 1: called the Cinderella Project. It's the Cinderella and Prince Charming Project, 1902 01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:20,600 Speaker 1: which basically, um, we try to supply like about a 1903 01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:23,960 Speaker 1: thousand dresses for girls in need, boys in need in 1904 01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:27,720 Speaker 1: the city that won't be able to go to prom otherwise. So, UM, 1905 01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:29,839 Speaker 1: if you guys want to reach out to me directly 1906 01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:32,960 Speaker 1: at Instagram, um my I g s at La La 1907 01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:37,560 Speaker 1: Rometo or you can hit up you guys, UM and 1908 01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:41,000 Speaker 1: we'll figure out a way to get dresses off our hands. 1909 01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:46,960 Speaker 1: They can come to Scamming Jam or of themselves. Yeah yeah, yeah. 1910 01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:50,439 Speaker 1: So we're making it like an official UM collection, so 1911 01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:52,040 Speaker 1: like if you bring your dress, you can get in 1912 01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:55,240 Speaker 1: for free. Um, and just like you know, just be mindful. 1913 01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:58,680 Speaker 1: These are young teenagers going to prom from like if 1914 01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:01,000 Speaker 1: your if your sister made you wear an ugly rise 1915 01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:07,200 Speaker 1: means don't bring that, like bring the cute ship because 1916 01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:12,960 Speaker 1: I think. Um, yeah, so thank you again for those announcements. 1917 01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:15,200 Speaker 1: Real quick for our listeners. Um, we have two events 1918 01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:18,840 Speaker 1: coming up this Friday, March second, Mala and I are 1919 01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:23,120 Speaker 1: hosting put on by DJ Sizzle. Yes, it's an all 1920 01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:27,240 Speaker 1: women's audiens lineup. Um, there's going to be vendors and 1921 01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:31,240 Speaker 1: it's a celebration of International Women's Day, Internationals Women's Day 1922 01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:35,040 Speaker 1: and months, so come through. And then also I'm not 1923 01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:38,559 Speaker 1: going to be at the Civic Center. Student is going 1924 01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:40,680 Speaker 1: to be at Civic Center Studios. So that that's the 1925 01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:45,519 Speaker 1: only detail, all right, Starting there's a cover dollars ten dollars. 1926 01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:50,160 Speaker 1: After ten thirty PM posted it. Yeah, we'll share it again. 1927 01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:55,080 Speaker 1: And then we have head on March tent and this 1928 01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:58,400 Speaker 1: year we're actually going to be doing posting, We're hosting, 1929 01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:00,720 Speaker 1: and we're gonna do some street interview. It's gonna be 1930 01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:03,360 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. So come check that out. And yeah, 1931 01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:06,440 Speaker 1: you know where to find us. Um, We're on Apple Podcasts, 1932 01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:10,720 Speaker 1: sound cloud, 're on YouTube now to follow on the 1933 01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:14,280 Speaker 1: I G. Twitter, Facebook, all of that. Yeah, thank you 1934 01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:16,920 Speaker 1: for listening. Next time best See thus