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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Cardinal territory, Katie and Bernie, back at

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Speaker 2: you so. Full disclosure, I was not with the team

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Speaker 3: No, I'm with you. And the thing about it, we

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Speaker 3: It's nice in Major League Baseball to finally let these

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Speaker 2: It's been eighty nine days of the season before the

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Speaker 1: Sorry I'm on fumes today.

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Speaker 3: No, that's all right. No, they're great. The two guys

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Speaker 1: All right, So in case you missed it, you didn't.

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Speaker 2: And I think Burleson over Gorman right now is going

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Speaker 2: I think as much as I would like to see

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you and I are in the same

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Speaker 2: But for so many reasons. I'm looking at this CUB

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Speaker 2: Are you ready to be just bombarded with trade deadline

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Speaker 3: It's been going on, well, it's been NonStop.

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Speaker 3: Whatever is above the level that you would have at

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Speaker 3: Do you think it could happen where he would in

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Speaker 1: It doesn't exist.

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Speaker 2: I have to go based off what every picture in

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Speaker 1: How he commands the game. But when you look at.

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Speaker 1: And they really trust Pedro.

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00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,639
Speaker 2: So that's why you're going to see him out there

433
00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 2: behind the plate continuously.

434
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,440
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure Herrera is going to get that

435
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,000
Speaker 1: opportunity again the season.

436
00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,840
Speaker 2: He'll still catch a little bit because the Cardinals would

437
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,439
Speaker 2: like to see what he could do. But it reminds

438
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 2: me of a conversation we had on Friday, and I'm

439
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,000
Speaker 2: looking at the transcript right now because i want to

440
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,080
Speaker 2: make sure I get it right. Randy Carricker or pal

441
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 2: at STL sports Hub asked a really good question to

442
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,120
Speaker 2: Ali on if there was any chance that a couple

443
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 2: of guys, but namely.

444
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,159
Speaker 1: Herrera, would change positions over the off season.

445
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 2: And let me pull it up just so I see

446
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 2: what I'm at Ollie has said.

447
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:00,240
Speaker 1: We've toyed with it.

448
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,679
Speaker 2: I think there's a bigger discussion there as far as

449
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 2: what's coming and what makes the most sense big picture.

450
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 2: I think that's something there should be a real conversation

451
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 2: around h But so they're not one hundred percent committed.

452
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 2: But I'm now I'm paraphrasing to be clear, not there yet.

453
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 1: They're not there.

454
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,640
Speaker 2: Yet with Herrera, and I think they want to see

455
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 2: if there's anything they can fix in season before they

456
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 2: have a bigger, maybe possible potential position change over the

457
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 2: off season. Because if that's what you're going to ask

458
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 2: a player to do, that's an off season task. That's

459
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 2: not a hay middle of the season. Same with what

460
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 2: they did with Contraras was the right way to do it.

461
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure if we'll see Herrera more consistently.

462
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 2: I think it will be pahes depending on when Herrera

463
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 2: comes back, depending on health for the reasons we just mentioned.

464
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 2: And I think it is fair to question Herrera's a

465
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 2: long term feasibility as a catcher because the Cardinals are

466
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 2: tinted over all.

467
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 3: Right, I got on stat Now, I'm not saying that

468
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,439
Speaker 3: catcher era is the end all be all, Okay, I

469
00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,040
Speaker 3: think it can be very misleading, but I think I

470
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 3: think in this case it's not misleading because we see,

471
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 3: we know things that other people don't know who are

472
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 3: just like randomly looking at the stat. You know, I

473
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 3: shouldn't say we, you know, because you've done so. It's

474
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 3: great reporting on this. The pitchers really believe they benefit

475
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 3: from having pa Haes behind the plate, and if the

476
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,719
Speaker 3: Cardinals don't pitch well, the Cardinals are pretty much doomed.

477
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 3: Right so in that case, because they believe in him,

478
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 3: they trust him. He calls a great game, he knows

479
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,439
Speaker 3: how to get guys straightened out in the middle of

480
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 3: a game. He's a leader out there right all right.

481
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 3: Catcher era this season, this does not include today Herrera

482
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 3: five point six', One pozo four point four, Zero pahes

483
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 3: three point nine to. Six that's a pretty big, difference

484
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 3: even Though i'm Saying i'm not saying it's like the perfect,

485
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 3: stat But i've been checking on this one, steadily and

486
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,479
Speaker 3: it's like there is a gap between him and the

487
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 3: other two, guys especially here. Error you can't dismiss that

488
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 3: as like some kind of. JUNKSTA i don't think it

489
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 3: is not when we know very well how deeply the

490
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 3: pictures and the manager and the pitching coach feel About

491
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 3: pahes being an asset behind the, plate and It i'm

492
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 3: not going to say they don't care about his blocking,

493
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 3: ability but the impact he has on the, pictures which

494
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 3: is a huge, deal, RIGHT.

495
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 1: I, mean do we not learn that from two?

496
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 2: Decades if you out Here molina having a Trust And

497
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 2: i'm not hiring the, two to be very, Clear i'm

498
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 2: just saying that the relationship with pitcher to capture, matters

499
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 2: and while our comparings, does why don't you go ahead

500
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 2: and compare the cots stealing between the. Two i'm just.

501
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 1: Kidding we don't need to do.

502
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 3: That, yeah we. PROBABLY i Know Pa hayes is still

503
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 3: above the major league average for throwout right it, is

504
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 3: so you, know he's an asset that way. Too but,

505
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 3: yeah i'd like to see them be able to clean

506
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 3: it up a little. Bit but you, know And i've

507
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 3: come to really admire pahes even THOUGH i realize he's

508
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 3: not going to hit all that. Much but, again it's

509
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: essential that this pitching staff performed to whatever their optimum.

510
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 3: Is it's really essential that they do. That and if

511
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 3: there's a catcher behind the plate that gives brings out

512
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 3: the best in that, Staff i'm, sorry you got to

513
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 3: ride it. Out you just have.

514
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 1: To AND i think that's what they're gonna.

515
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 2: Do and when you think about the depth The cardinals

516
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,719
Speaker 2: have at catcher, position like the one area in their

517
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 2: entire organization they have like a ton of encouraging, depth it's.

518
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: Catcher it makes sense to just kind of ride the

519
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: season out with the three that you have and, over you,

520
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 2: know evaluate over the. Winter that's a hind bloom decision

521
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 2: on what the next future of the backstops look.

522
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: Like BUT i do think we should Give poso some credit.

523
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 2: Here for, me, obviously the big walk off hit On

524
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: saturday and.

525
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: Just just the most adorable Celebration i've ever.

526
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 2: Seen but if you would have told me in the

527
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 2: middle Of february That Joel poso would be your most

528
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: impactful right handed bat off the, BENCH i would have,

529
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 2: said who the hell is? That because everyone on the

530
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: roster or in the organization Until, march and he was

531
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: very much just signed as an emergency Because Jimmy crooks

532
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 2: they didn't think was ready a lot of the stuff

533
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: that we talked, about you, know not yet quite major league.

534
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 2: Ready so they signed kind of a stopgap solution In

535
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: poso and he was so far down on the. Depth,

536
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 2: well they liked, him you, know he didn't he didn't

537
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 2: even crack my Like top forty to watch in the

538
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 2: organization shows how MUCH i. Know once again we're learning

539
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 2: from this. PODCAST i don't know anything because here he is,

540
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: now and he is indeed your best right handed bat

541
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 2: off the, bench even with THE jc here if you're looking.

542
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: For power and.

543
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 2: CONTACT i, mean, Look poso doesn't mean to go to hitters.

544
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 2: Meetings they probably are just, like you can take this one.

545
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: Off you know that you can put the ball in.

546
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 1: Play and a good team has a team of role.

547
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 2: Players and there's been a lot of clamor rightfully so

548
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 2: about The cardinals bench And i'm not saying it's, perfect

549
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: but if you're looking for a right handed bat off

550
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 2: the bench is going to put the ball in.

551
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: Play they have found that consistently In. Poso it was

552
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: really nice to see.

553
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 2: Him get rewarded On saturday's walk off when he's done

554
00:25:59,119 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 2: a nice.

555
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 3: Job when he when he comes off the, bench, right

556
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 3: there's nothing to do with him starting when he enters

557
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 3: a game as a. Substitute, right he's hitting four fifty.

558
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 3: Five that's pretty good and so and that's that's that's

559
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 3: up the date because he started, today so it doesn't

560
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 3: apply to. Today four fifty, five and he's driven in

561
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 3: like like leven or twelve at, bats he's driven in

562
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 3: like five. RUNS i mean he's again it's a small,

563
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 3: sample but that's all we have to work. With because

564
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 3: but but because it's a very narrow thing we're looking. At,

565
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 3: okay what does he mean to The cardinals as a

566
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 3: guy who can come off the bench and get a, hit,

567
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 3: right and you trust them to just not swing and

568
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 3: miss and just put the ball in. Play he's hitting

569
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 3: four fifty five when he comes off the bench and

570
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 3: enters a. GAME i, mean he's the best like role

571
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 3: player they.

572
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: Have, agree and he's your third, catcher.

573
00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 3: Right so, YEAH i mean this whole, IDEA i know it.

574
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 3: Again i'm going back to this a minute BECAUSE i

575
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: see people, saying, well you, know Like poso's, great but

576
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 3: you know you really it's you really shouldn't be, kept you,

577
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 3: know carrying three. Catchers So Herre herrera and Pa, HAES

578
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 3: i guess is what they're, Saying, No, poso because your

579
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 3: bench is so. Weak his strength as a bench player

580
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 3: demands that he stay here because who else would fulfill that?

581
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 3: Role right.

582
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: Exactly that's a great way to put. It AND i

583
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: think that makes a ton of sense when you put

584
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: it that.

585
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: Way, yes his position is, catcher, yes and technicality, standpoint

586
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 2: The cardinals have three maybe even, four But.

587
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: Contraras's is very clearly not a catcher.

588
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 2: Anymore, Right but if you're talking about role play like and,

589
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: usage if you have a right handed, bench bet that's

590
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: seeing four fifty five perfect take.

591
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: IT i don't care any plays case.

592
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 3: Close we rest our case.

593
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 2: Exactly so all, Right bernie will wrap this one up

594
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: here because there's just so much fun baseball ahead of.

595
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 2: Us LIKE i said, Earlier Cardinal Territory Northside territory crossover

596
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: that will be On. Tuesday just a lot going on

597
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: travel from both, ends so we couldn't get that Up.

598
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: Tomorrow we'll have Some Cardinals cubs preview in the athletic as. Well,

599
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: bernie what do you have working?

600
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 3: On just know my useral. Daily you know WHAT i

601
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 3: do every, day which is a. Lot, no JUST i

602
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 3: can't wait to watch the. Series AND i don't know

603
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 3: if The cardinals get a split or you, KNOW i

604
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: think it splits, Reasonable But i'm not settling the. Fort

605
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 3: by the, way let me just do this real. Quick

606
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,719
Speaker 3: my good friend Will leach is out with a. Book

607
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 3: who in this book is getting rave. Reviews in, fact

608
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 3: it's going to be turned into a, film A hollywood.

609
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 3: Film oh, Yeah Look lloyd McNeil's last. Ride and the

610
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: only Reason i'm plugging this because he's My Seeing red

611
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 3: podcast partner and he writes for. Everybody you. Know you

612
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 3: see him pop up ON mlb network a lot. Too

613
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: he's going to be At Left Bank books in The

614
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 3: Central West end On thursday, night is after the Day,

615
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: game at seven, o'clock And i'm sort of the host

616
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: of the, event and we've been joking so, well you,

617
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: know people are going to ask even though your book's

618
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: getting grave, reviews no one's gonna want how many people

619
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: want to ask you about your? Book like three. People

620
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: they're gonna ask about The cardinals and The. Cubs so,

621
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 3: anyway for people in The Saint louis area who might

622
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Speaker 3: be interested in coming down and Meeting will and getting a,

623
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624
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 3: because he's my. Friend it is. Great they had they

625
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: had they had like Five hollywood studios fighting over this

626
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 3: for the film.

627
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 2: Rights so Now i'm super excited Because i'm A central

628
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: West End girl And Left Bank books is my favorite

629
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: bookstore in, town SO i will try my best to

630
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: get there because that sounds.

631
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 3: Great he's a he's a huge fan of, You, Katie

632
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 3: will he.

633
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: Run i'm a huge fan of you And, will So

634
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: i'm glad we can all be friends and.

635
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: Coexist, well thanks for.

636
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 3: Letting me plug, that but it was still a good

637
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 3: reason because we're making an.

638
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: Appearance, yeah ten out of ten would. Recommend and NOW

639
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: i don't have a new book to, buy so that's.

640
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: Exciting what else is Exciting the cub is finally coming

641
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: to four.

642
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: Games i'm with, You.

643
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: BERNIE a split is not the end of the, world but,

644
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: Personally i'm not settling for. It if they, split like,

645
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: okay cool could be a lot, worse, obviously but taking

646
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: three or four From chicago would do wonders from. Morale

647
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: and then we're having a serious conversation about this team

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Speaker 2: we'll break it all down for you At Cardinal. Territory For,

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Speaker 2: Bernie I'm. Katie thanks for. Watching we'll talk next.

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