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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt, my name

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Speaker 1: is They call me Ben. You are you? And that

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Speaker 1: makes this stuff they don't want you to know. However,

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Speaker 1: this is not your ordinary episode of stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. Actually, you know what, We should

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Speaker 1: change that language, you guys, because we I don't know

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Speaker 1: if we've ever done an ordinary episode. Have we never?

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Speaker 1: We have never, and we won't start now. This is

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Speaker 1: a team up episode, a collaboration if you will, and

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Speaker 1: we uh we hope you do. We are partnering with

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Speaker 1: our buddies, colleagues, co workers, and friends, Will and Mango

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Speaker 1: from Part Time Genius to explore some of the most important, pertinent,

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Speaker 1: and pressing questions about the online world. The most important

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Speaker 1: question that they are asking is what does the Internet

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Speaker 1: know about you? How much stuff? The personal, the really personal,

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Speaker 1: the things that you wouldn't share with anybody else, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Internet know about you? And where does it live? Yes,

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Speaker 1: so immediately after checking out this episode, head on over

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Speaker 1: to Part Time Genius to learn exactly what the Internet

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Speaker 1: already knows about you, and it's it's a lot. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's too much, even if you think you know, it's

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Speaker 1: way more than you probably bargained for. Before we begin

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Speaker 1: answering our question and launching our exploration today, let's fill

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Speaker 1: in some context. First things. First, oh, friends and neighbors,

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Speaker 1: if you are listening to this show, it is almost

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Speaker 1: certain that you have an Internet presence. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 1: I guess there are shirts. Now, maybe you just randomly

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Speaker 1: even if you've never even had an email address, several

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Speaker 1: So it's obvious that meeting one of these exceptions would

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Speaker 1: reactivate your account or retrieve anything that you've added. But

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Speaker 1: before you do this, you may want to download a

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Speaker 1: copy of your info from Facebook. Then, if you'd like

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Speaker 1: your account permanently deleted with no option for recovery, you

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Speaker 1: can log into your account and let us know exactly

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Speaker 1: let Facebook. Oh wait, there's more. Yeah, there's more. So

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00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: when you delete your account, um, folks won't be able

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Speaker 1: to see it on their respective Facebook phrasing here, But

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Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily go away. It's just kind of hidden,

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Speaker 1: hidden from other users. Uh. And it may take up

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Speaker 1: to the again from the from the article here, ninety

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00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: days from the beginning of the deletion process to delete

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00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: all of the things you've posted, like your photos, status, updates,

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00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: any data that's stored in Facebook's um surely absurdly gigantic

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00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: backup systems. Uh. And while you're deleting this information, it

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00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: is inaccessible to other people using Facebook. Again, more of

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00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: a hiding feature than an actual deletion. So some of

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00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: the things you do on Facebook aren't actually stored on

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00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: your account. And now this is true. You can think

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Speaker 1: about this in terms of like messenger, Facebook messages or

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00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: even I would be interested to double check this, but

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00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: I would imagine if you delete your account, do comments

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00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: you've made on other threads and other people's pages disappear?

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00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: Or does it just like it still lives there, but

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00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: your picture maybe goes away or something like that. I

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00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: honestly don't know, but I think your comments would probably

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00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: go away and then they go away. Okay, well that'd

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Speaker 1: be cool. I think you own your comments because you're

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Speaker 1: able to go through an individually delete them. That's true,

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00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: and you can also set them to you can. Now

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00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: you can't really set comments to be private. Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but I do know when

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Speaker 1: you send a message to somebody else, it's received by

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Speaker 1: the other person and it's in their inbox. It's kind

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00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,479
Speaker 1: of like entangled information has two owners, which is why, um,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Also, Facebook is I don't want to

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Speaker 1: jurrail us, but Facebook is tremendously manipulative, like when you

463
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: try to mess with your privacy stuff, your quote unquote privacy. Uh.

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00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: It has a dinosaur as icon, and then the way

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Speaker 1: the it steers people with the parameters of what you

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Speaker 1: can and cannot say. So if you try to remove

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Speaker 1: a tag, the choices you're given, or you know this

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00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: is offensive or it's mislead blah blah blah, you know

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00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: you can't. There's no option to say just remove it.

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Speaker 1: That's called other. Is there still another? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I think no. In several cases they took

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Speaker 1: away other. Yeah, I thought other. Yeah, gotta always have another.

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Speaker 1: But that would align to let you but MA that

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Speaker 1: that it would be a manipulative tactic though, to like,

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Speaker 1: these are your choices, and your choices are only these.

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Speaker 1: It's not it's not wood, it's not hypothetical. It's there.

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Speaker 1: This is pretty interesting though, because, as we know, because

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Speaker 1: of I guess largely laziness, you connect to other apps

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00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: using your Facebook. It gives you that lovely little option

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00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: where it's like, hey, you don't want to make an account,

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00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: just give us access to your Facebook information. Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: those those social media's or apps are paying Facebook to

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Speaker 1: do that so that they gather they have all that

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00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: other information attached to Facebook within their system. Yeah. But

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00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: if you delete your Facebook account and then you accidentally

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Speaker 1: log into one of these Facebook connected accounts like Instagram

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Speaker 1: or Spotify or Twitter or any number. I mean like

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Speaker 1: I did a sock membership by thing today and it

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Speaker 1: allowed me to connect to it via Facebook, So it

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Speaker 1: goes pretty deep. If you do this, though, it will

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Speaker 1: log you back into your Facebook account and the de

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Speaker 1: activation slash deletion process uh starts all over again. I

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00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: love the the use of the term de activation. They

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00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: don't even call it deletion. It's de activation, and it's

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00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: it reminds me of like I watched Blade Runner last

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00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: night or the first time in years, and instead of

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00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: murdering replicants, they retire you know, geez. And Instagram's no better.

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Speaker 1: If you go to the delete your account page, if

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Speaker 1: you're not logged in, they'll last you log in. Um,

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00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: you have to go on your desktop. You can't. You

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00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: can't do it from the app. And also, which is weird,

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00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: because you can't really use Instagram on the desktop exactly.

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Speaker 1: How strange is that? And I can only imagine that

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of people out there who don't

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Speaker 1: even really have a desktop system anymore set up anywhere

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00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: in their house. You have to Yeah, you have to

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00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: select a option from a drop down menu, so and

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Speaker 1: re enter your passwords. So the option to delete the

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00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: account only appears after you've selected a reason when you

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00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: delete the account, and this is at least explicit. When

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00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: you delete your account, your profile, photos, videos, comments, likes,

512
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: and followers are permanently removed. And then, just like Facebook,

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00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: you can temporarily disable your account. But I'm gonna go

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00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: ahead and say I don't trust it. Yeah, oh man.

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00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: And then we get to one of my absolute favorite

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Speaker 1: pseudo social media's LinkedIn. Do you guys still have them

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00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: LinkedIn accounts? Professional LinkedIn accounts? Yeah? I don't even know

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00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: what to do with that. I deleted mine earlier today.

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00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: Liberating it was awesome. I mean, you sorry, LinkedIn, but

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00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: you sent away too much email. Okay, So you can

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00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: close your account directly from this one page. Um, here's

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00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: the thing. You won't have access to any of your

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00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: you know, any of the information you've collected or people

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00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: you've connected to your profile will no longer be visible

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00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: on LinkedIn. However, search engines we're talking bings, Yahoo's in,

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00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: probably Google's, they might still display your information temporarily because

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00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: you're talking about information that's cashed, that's just sitting there,

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00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: and you can find it still through search results. And

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00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: the one thing with LinkedIn though, apparently people pay for

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Speaker 1: premium memberships, which i is something I've never done. But

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Speaker 1: if you do that, you have to change up your

532
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: premium account license and resolve that whole thing before actually

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00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: closing your account, which makes sense because it's probably there's

534
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: probably a payment involved. Who who knows? You have to wait,

535
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: you have to do what you have to resolve the

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00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: accounts like your your pay your pay for LinkedIn accounts

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00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: before you can close your basic account. That's the idea.

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00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: Pretty soon, it's simple overall. Uh, here's what the guys.

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00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: Did you have my Space accounts when you were younger?

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00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: Did I? Ever? Yeah? I had like the flickering give

541
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: background all day, the MIDI track that would trigger Yeah,

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00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: and you have probably had my Space band accounts to

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00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 1: or some kind of music that my my old band, Uh,

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00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: my space is actually still that anyone's check it out.

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00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: It's a band called the Cubists And are my Space

546
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: still still around? Hey? Mine, two Lions and scissors. Check

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00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: it out. But anyway, getting away from the plugs, I

548
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: wanted to delete my personal my Space account, so I

549
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,959
Speaker 1: tried to go and do that today and found out

550
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: that it was linked up to my old AOL email address.

551
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: That I I got that email address in my parents basement.

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00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: It was awesome for a time. I really got got

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00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: me through everything. Anyway, I got you through everything? Yeah,

554
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: I really did. Every email I sent for years was

555
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: through a o L. You probably loaded it with like

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00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: one of those floppies that came in them. I did

557
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: you multiple times, right, they gave you the free have

558
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: created every time every point? Oh oh change? So so

559
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: what happened? What's happening with your AOL account? Now? Okay?

560
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: So checking out? In order to delete the my Space

561
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 1: go to AOL. In order to get to a o L,

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00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: I had to change my password I logged in. Apparently,

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00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: if you don't access an AOL account for eight days,

564
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: they deactivate that thing NOL, And that's kind of nice, right,

565
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: de activate your account if you're not using it. But

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00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: I was really nervous because my personal information is still

567
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: in that thing from all those years ago, and if

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00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: anyone wanted to hack it or easily get into it,

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00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: it's there. It's just sitting there. So I tried to

570
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: delete that. I was just on a spree today. Anyway,

571
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: you can't delete your ao L account, your free ao

572
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: L account, at least I could not. There's there's supposed

573
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: to be a place that says cancel account, and that

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00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: button was not there on three different browsers. When you're

575
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: a tech savvy guy too, So I mean, can you

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00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 1: imagine someone that maybe was less Yeah, even attempting to

577
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 1: do any of this stuff. I went through every help

578
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: center thing that existed on a well trying to find it.

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00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: Ended up calling a o L. I took my phone

580
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: and I called a o L and talked to somebody

581
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: who walked me through all the security steps and he

582
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: said he deleted my account. Sorry, you called AOL. Does

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00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: their phone number still work? Their phone number works for

584
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,479
Speaker 1: customer service? Was it just some guys, like four guys

585
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: in a call center and who knows? Was it just

586
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: one guy at his house? I have to say they

587
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: picked up my call really fast because they didn't have

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00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: anything else to do. Well, you know, I who's to

589
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: say how many people are working there and how many

590
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: you know what their call volume is? Probably that guy.

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00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: You could have asked him, well, well it it worked

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00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: for me. So if you're out there and you've got

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00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: an a L account from you want to get rid

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00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: of it, you can. There's a website you can go

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00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: to and you can find their their number. It's one

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00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: eight eight to seven six three six four. You could

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00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: do it right now. If you want to do it.

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00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: And Steve really wants a friend to talk to, just

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00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: give him and uh not Steve the not Steve our

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00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: ongoing in essay interns, Steve the a O L Tech support. Yeah, yeah,

601
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: we're pretty Steve Rich here A's stuff they don't want

602
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: you to know. I want to say. His name is Rico,

603
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: So okay, uh so, uh just just call that number

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00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: asked for Rico or Steve tell him Matt saying they'll

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00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: know You've got to be the only Matt they called

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00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: it in a while. There's another thing that's should be

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00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: an episode all its own that we may have to

608
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 1: explore in the future, and that is Google. There's there's

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00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: a search console help site, but it gets very complicated

610
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: very quickly. Google has its hooks in you all up

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00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: inside your digital you. Yeah, that's the thing. It's all

612
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: about indexing because Google everything that gets posted everywhere in indexes,

613
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: and you can go and ask Google to remove of

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00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: stuff and take it out of search results. But ultimately

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00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: you're talking about websites that are being hosted. Like let's

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00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: say there's a news article written about you that you

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00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: object to. There's really no way to get Google to

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00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: do anything. You got to go to the people who

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00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 1: posted the thing. Now you just say, hey, Google, delete

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00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: my Internet presence. Right one day, that might be a thing, uh,

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00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: but probably wasn't. The voice command for the stupid Google

622
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: glass you had to say, hey, hey glassy Google. But

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00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 1: but probably um if that command ever exists, as you're saying,

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00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: that's going to be the domain of a very uh

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00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: small group of people, ability of you know, very high

626
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: level exacts or maybe bankers like rothschild level stuff. Because

627
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: privacy is going to be one of the ultimate luxuries.

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00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: As we've explored past episodes, so we're talking about We've

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Speaker 1: given some examples about how you an attempt to remove

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Speaker 1: some of this information from search engines, from social media.

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Speaker 1: And this leads to perhaps the most important query, the

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00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: most important question here, the most important interrogative. I'm just

633
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: thinking of sending the billion Ben bucks ask does any

634
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: of this actually work? We'll answer that question after a

635
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: word from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. So, Ben,

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Speaker 1: it looks like I'm going to delete my Internet history right. No, no, no,

637
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Speaker 1: you fool a penguin, You silly boy. It's not gonna happen.

638
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: You've gotten too far right. At this point, there is

639
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: virtually no chance that you, Matt, will be able to

640
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: completely erase all of your data from the Internet. And

641
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: don't take out hard uh. There's no chance that I

642
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: would be able to, or Noel would be able to,

643
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: or Tristan would be able to. Even if it seems

644
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: that we have deleted information from a particular part of

645
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: the Internet, the owners of that site or that organization

646
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: might have just changed the access to the info. So

647
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 1: for most of us, right deletion or or racier means

648
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: just that they complete irreversible removal of a given thing. Ah,

649
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: Yet we know from our recycling bins on our computers

650
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: that when you delete something, it just goes somewhere else temporarily.

651
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: And then you know, there are programs that are specifically

652
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: designed to like write ones and zeros over that data.

653
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: But when you just do a right click delete empty

654
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: recycled band, it just kind of scatters the little fragments

655
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: of it all over. That's why I think Apple machines

656
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: do it automatically. But you know with PCs you have

657
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: to defragment your hard drive now and then because it

658
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: literally has bits of data just kind of strewn willy nilly.

659
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: Maybe in any computer scientists out there, call me a

660
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: dummy if I'm not saying right, but that's my understanding

661
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: of it. And then you get into data recovery stuff,

662
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: which it is possible to go back in time on

663
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 1: that hard drive. Data forensics. Yeah, it's like a dark art. Yeah.

664
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Speaker 1: As shown in some of our earlier examples, the actions

665
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: that private entities allow us to take don't actually delete information. Instead,

666
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: they make it so that you can no longer see

667
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: your info and other people might not be able to

668
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 1: see it as easily. The illusion of controls, the illusion

669
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Speaker 1: of controls. Once you've accepted those terms, you're kind of

670
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: accepting them in perpetuity, aren't you. Yeah, you're up the creek.

671
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: I mean it's done. So whatever whatever they choose to

672
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: do with that stuff, you know, you you put faith

673
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: in them not doing anything nefarious. But you're taking a

674
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: bit of a leap there, if we're being honest. But yeah,

675
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: I mean you're kind of kidding yourself and thinking that

676
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: information is just vanished and that you're the one who

677
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: decided to make that happen. You know what it is

678
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: every time you delete a part of your digital self

679
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 1: and you're not actually killing well maybe gets his pizza. Yes,

680
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: it's for sure that one. But you're not actually deleting

681
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 1: anything or killing anything. You're just making a ghost because

682
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: you're that ghost is then able to go through you know,

683
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: some kind of data aggregation thing through whatever service you

684
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: were using, and then they're taking it and creating a

685
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: new version of you. But it's just a couple more

686
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: ones and zeros, right, and this the remains of your

687
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: digital self. I like this ghost analogy, Matt. Your ethereal

688
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: digital self will be used for various purposes, targeting for

689
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: ad campaigns, right, then they may not know Matt Frederick anymore,

690
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 1: but they certainly know American male five to thirty six

691
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: or something, and then they know and then that is

692
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: the new label for your ghosts. Uh. They also learned

693
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: social networks and preferences. We don't need to know, like

694
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: if if we all just become American male agx to

695
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: why or whatever, uh, and we're all connected with a

696
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: social network, they don't need to know our names to

697
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: influence that social network. And this can also go into

698
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: aggregate electoral data right or election data right. This This

699
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: makes it dangerous in the real world because it ties

700
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: into public sphere influence. And we have a great example

701
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: of that in recent history, right, like the whole Russia

702
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: Facebook thing. Yeah, where Russia created these uh profile Russian hackers.

703
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: How many caveats do we have to I'll play the game. Allegedly,

704
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: Russian affiliated hackers went into Facebook and created bought personas,

705
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: and bought or false front organizations to plant news stories

706
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: and sway people's political decisions. Additionally, as I think we

707
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: already mentioned here, in many cases, information we share with

708
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: other people will remain after we attempted to delete everything

709
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: else if um if Noel has a picture of me

710
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: and it's under his profile, and I delete my profile.

711
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: It's not going to remove that photo of me, remove

712
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: the tag. It will maybe remove yeah, remove the tag,

713
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: but you know we'll see still see my uh mug. Yeah,

714
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: he was doing the clown face again in a celebration

715
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: of it. Did you notice that? Whereas I like to

716
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: call it the Eddie Vetter face? Thank you, Thank you

717
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: about the one. One great example of this. In the past,

718
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 1: celebrities have tasked their PR teams with removing unflattering photos

719
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: from the Internet. This rarely meets with success. One example

720
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: I remember is there was an unflattering picture of Beyonce Knowles,

721
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: the the R and B singer entertainer. Okay, sure, and

722
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: uh this uh, this picture was funny and it became

723
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: part of what people call photoshop battles, and they were

724
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: changing the background, they were making funny. It was a meaning.

725
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 1: It's kind of like in a in a mid squat

726
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: in like a like a dance move that obviously, if

727
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: you saw the whole thing in context, would be super badass.

728
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: But it's one of those like mid face squat things

729
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: where it's just just the right moment to make a

730
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: very obviously gorgeous woman, appear kind of smanish, kind of

731
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: she hold a little she well they actually that was

732
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: one of the photoshop ones. They turned her skin green

733
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: and she looks like she's just like, you know, hulking

734
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: out literally, but um yeah. And then her people took

735
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: issue with this and attempted to have it scrubbed from

736
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 1: the internet. But as we know, that's a little harder

737
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: than it sounds. The worst thing you can tell people

738
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: who are spending their free time on the internet making

739
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: jokes is, hey, guys, please don't make a joke about this.

740
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: Actually did that where there were some unflattering photos of

741
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: him that he uh did not want to be making

742
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: the rounds, and you know, the internet collectively laughed at him. Yeah,

743
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: and rightly, So I think if you, I think, unfortunately, um,

744
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: if anybody is out of touch enough to ask for

745
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: that deletion without the power to enforce it, I wonder

746
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: if the executive branch would have the power to enforce it.

747
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: In other countries, governments do have the power to prevent

748
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: images from being outside of you know, being out in

749
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: the public sphere, but those countries have a different manner

750
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: of control over information dissemination. I do want to say

751
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: before we go on, there is one, uh, the only

752
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: example I can think of of someone who is able

753
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: to keep a lot of their pictures off the Internet.

754
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: Gary Larson, the creator of far Side. You can still

755
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: find a bunch, but he wrote this really nice letter

756
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: to people where he said, hey, guys, I just kind

757
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: of want to keep it in the books if that's okay.

758
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: And he's super humble, super funny, of course he's Gary Larson.

759
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: You can still see a lot of it on their

760
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: um you know, just where someone is obviously taken a

761
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: picture of a of a comic with their cell phone

762
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 1: or something. Um. But that's the only even partially successful version.

763
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: There's one more wacky neighbor type character we haven't covered

764
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: in the ongoing sitcom known as Your Digital Self on

765
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: the Internet. That is the government. Oh it's that wacky

766
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: n essay, the National Security Agency. What are they getting

767
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: up to this week? Well, it's formerly a secret government

768
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: agency we'd like to talk about on this show. We

769
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: even have an intern from there that hangs out with

770
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: us and listens to every little thing we do. Big up, Steve,

771
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 1: If you'll get through that chemistry class, they collect data

772
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: signal intelligence. Oh that sounds good. It's very very good.

773
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: Here's the thing they're great at it so great that

774
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: they're the best in the biz. It's also really good

775
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: at find those loopholes ways around original mandates. Oh and

776
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: all of this is in the name of national security.

777
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: So long time fans of the show and privacy advocates

778
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: around the world, you guys are hopefully aware of the

779
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: NSA's official stance, which is the NSAS Charter limits it's

780
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: powerful surveillance to the rest of the world, not to

781
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: US citizens. Ok. I think we're done with that bit. Okay,

782
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: but by now most people are at least, you know,

783
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: somewhat aware that the n s AS legal abilities and

784
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: real world actions and not entirely syncd up. So a

785
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: good example would be up until the n s A

786
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: was a actually able to surveil domestic sources with a

787
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: kind of sketchy interpretation of the seven or two provision

788
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. You may know it

789
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: as FETOP. We love the acronyms here on stuff they

790
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 1: don't want you to know. They searched their massive network

791
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: of wire taps for keywords, which they called selectors and

792
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: if any part of that communication passed outside of the

793
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: US for any reason whatsoever, Boom, they sucked the data

794
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: up into the what like there Internet data rabbit hole

795
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: out in the middle of nowhere in Utah. That's where

796
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: that lives. And any reason here literally means any reason.

797
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: So you made a lame terrorist joke and it passed

798
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: through a server in any other country counting Canada, Boom,

799
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: You're up for grabs. And no, it does not matter.

800
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: We checked. It does not matter if it was you

801
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: and another American working on puns or or whatever, or

802
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: trying to make any acronyms. Uh. The good news is that,

803
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: as of seen, the New York Times reports that the

804
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: agency will no longer collect certain Internet communications that merely

805
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: mention a foreign intelligence target, and will instead limit such

806
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: collection to Internet communications that are sent directly to or

807
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: from a foreign target. That's disturbing because that means before then,

808
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 1: if Natt had sent a text about Osama bin Laden,

809
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,959
Speaker 1: that's the target. I'm mentioning a target for the sake

810
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: of argument, right, And it was to one of his

811
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: friends who was in say, let's say Ben Bolan, Uh,

812
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: and we were discussing an episode on said bin Laden. Yeah, yeah,

813
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: I was like, well, when I get back from the

814
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: ancestral home in Romania and then we'll do an episode

815
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: on isis or something. That would mean that everything on

816
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: those phones is now subject to search for time immemorial.

817
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: There's another wrinkle in the plot here. So the n

818
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: s A can't gather information on you if you are

819
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: if you live in the US. However, for an intelligence

820
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: agencies can gather that information on you and then through

821
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: a network like five Eyes, share it with the n

822
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: s A. So the n s A can be like, no,

823
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: no harm, no foul, not checking up on you. But Canada,

824
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: however over there he sorry, yes, it's dodgy. Reminds me

825
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: of do you guys remember those UM the controversy over

826
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: Made in America tags where it turned out that some

827
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: stuff was being made in the atrocious sweatshop conditions in

828
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 1: um some islands in the South Pacific that we're American territories,

829
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: so they can still say made in America or assembled

830
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: in the USA. So there is more good news. However,

831
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: once the n s A ends its BOLK collection and

832
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 1: storage of millions of Americans phone records later this year,

833
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 1: it will also it says eliminate analyst access to five

834
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: years worth of old info. So anything you did dodgy

835
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 1: in the last five years, Apparently the n s A

836
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: is not going to allow it's analysts to look at it. Yeah, yeah,

837
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: it is. However, technical personnel and that's in quotes will

838
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: be able to access it for another three months to

839
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: verify the records produced under the new system. Yeah, okay,

840
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: it seems above board. They're just going to verify all

841
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 1: the stuff is right as rain right, it's it's meeting

842
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: the new goals. Also, ongoing court cases surrounding the program

843
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: require the n s A to hold onto the data

844
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: until the cases are finalized in court. Okay, I yeah,

845
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: above the board, right above the bread box. So this

846
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: is uh just a brief overview of what happens when

847
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: you try to remove your information. And um, we we

848
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: have a couple of conclusions, and I guess the first one.

849
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. Are you guys rip the band aid

850
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: off people or slowly peel it? I gotta rip it, man,

851
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I can. I can tell you

852
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: the conclusion. Okay, you don't even need to try and

853
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: delete your information if it's gone up online it's up online.

854
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: If somebody one of your friends has a camera phone

855
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: and a Facebook account, there's probably pictures of you, and

856
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: you probably got tagged, even if you don't have an account,

857
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: and there's nothing you can do about it, and your

858
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: public records are probably gonna stay online. That's the scariest

859
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: thing there's Unless you're the wheel of a powerful intelligence

860
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: agency or some organization that we don't know about, with

861
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: abilities that we don't understand, there's virtually no way you'll

862
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 1: be able to delete your online presence entirely. The digital

863
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: you will not only survive your efforts to delete it.

864
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: You are digital, you will most likely survive after the

865
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 1: physic sical version of you is gone, and like a ghost,

866
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: got a legacy haunt it. Yeah, it's a very black mirror, right,

867
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: and it will probably remain after your children are gone

868
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: as well. You know, in the near future, you may

869
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: be there may be some way to construct a real

870
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: ghost capable of programmatic responses, and so your children might

871
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: even be able to talk to you, or talk to

872
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 1: some version of you. You can, however, delete at least

873
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: some of your data and make more of it increasingly

874
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: difficult to find, so much so that only the very

875
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: committed or connected people will be able to learn more

876
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: than the most basic facts about you. Privacy settings are

877
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: your friend on everything you use. I just have to

878
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: say that if you wanna still use social media and

879
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 1: connect to friends, just amp up those privacy settings so

880
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: you're only talking to people you have directly connected to

881
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: and purposefully said okay, I know this person. Even then

882
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: it's a little dangerous because account is gonna get hijacked

883
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: and all that, and then they have your info, but

884
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, play as safe as you can. You can

885
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 1: also use private services to help clean up your online presence.

886
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: We strongly suggest you research these thoroughly before choosing one,

887
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: and also understand that they do not have the power

888
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: to force other website owners to remove anything, especially when

889
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: those sites are in countries with relaxed rules on consumer protection.

890
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: Very great point. And if you're really feeling strongly about

891
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: you know, pursuing further levels of anonimity or you know,

892
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: completely shutting off the information uh spiggott altogether. Um, you're

893
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: really going to have to change your lifestyle. You know.

894
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: It's like what they say about losing weight and all

895
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: that stuff. You can't just there's no magic way to

896
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: do it. You've got to just change your habits. That's right,

897
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: every day. And if you want to learn more about

898
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: that stuff, you can check out an earlier episode we

899
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: did on whether or not it's actually possible to be

900
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: on the internet in any kind of anonymous way. What

901
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: does that lifestyle look like, guys, I mean, like it

902
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: would just it would kind of be like not leaving

903
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: your apartment. No, you just won't. You don't have a

904
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: cell phone, you don't let people take pictures of you,

905
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: don't hang out with friends, don't participate in it with

906
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: any you know. I mean there's a lot, I guess,

907
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: be your hermit, only take jobs at pay in cash,

908
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: which means that, um, you would also be on the

909
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: fringes of IM saying you'd be like a pariah kind of.

910
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like the lowest of the low.

911
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: Our society has evolved into a place where you have

912
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: to have this technology, you have to participate in this stuff.

913
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: And I have a friend who has chosen to not

914
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: be on Facebook, and he's always astonished when I find

915
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: out something that he hasn't found out, and I'm like, dude,

916
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: just get on Facebook. He's like, yeah, No, I'm not

917
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: doing that, And I'm like, come on, man, like why

918
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: He's like, I just I just don't want to do it.

919
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to be that guy. And he's older,

920
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: but like he you know, feels very strongly about like

921
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: just is not being a part of his life. Yeah,

922
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I can understand where he's coming from. Another

923
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: thing you could do if you wanted to change your

924
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: life style in this way is to get a law

925
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: degree in UH contracts and digital UH agreements. That way

926
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 1: you can actually read the terms of service every time

927
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: and then decide maybe I don't want that. But here's

928
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: the thing too. Um. There's this great article in The

929
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: Guardian about the terms of service debate and a lot

930
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: of it uh it dealt with several layers of this,

931
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: one of which being the word except versus join or

932
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: opt in or whatever that all matters. And you know

933
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: they're trying to feed into this past um habit of

934
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: just click through, you know, don't even pay it a

935
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: second glance, but there, you know, there there's discussion of

936
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: like should we change where the terms fall in the

937
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: process of signing up for a service? Should it be

938
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 1: right up front so before you know you you don't

939
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,959
Speaker 1: have instant gratification because always at that point, right before

940
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: you get the thing, you click it because you're just

941
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: like ready to have the things, so you don't even

942
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: think about it. So, you know, trying to maybe steer

943
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 1: people into possibly reading the terms a little more carefully

944
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: since there's some really heavy stuff in there. But this

945
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: article talked about how it was in The Guardian, written

946
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: by David barrabi Um. It posed the question of you know,

947
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: when you when you go to the doctor, you you

948
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: don't necessarily sign a contract or agree to the terms

949
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: of services of being worked on by a doctor, but

950
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: you expect the doctor to uphold their doctoral duty, the

951
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: hippocratic oath or whatever, and not, you know, screw you over.

952
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: And it's almost like this article suggested that maybe society

953
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: could almost influence some of these companies to be a

954
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: little more responsible and not sell your stuff to third

955
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: parties instantly. You know, there's so or at least to

956
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: be good better stewards of your information. And there is

957
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: some good news if you live in some countries, if

958
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: you live in the European Union, you may be able

959
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: to take advantage of something called the right to be forgotten.

960
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: Uh do check it out. It's the idea that you

961
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: are ultimately the owner of your own data, your own creation.

962
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: There's a fantastic fact sheet Bend that you posted here

963
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: for us, that you can find online from the European Commission,

964
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: and it goes through all of these different rules like

965
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: what kind of has to be met for you to

966
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: take on this right to be forgotten? And it's it's

967
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: fantastic you you can find it if you search for it.

968
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: Still not a silver bullet, and if you are listening

969
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: in the United States, it's not gonna help you, but

970
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: you I guess we would be remiss, as we're drawing

971
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: towards the end here, we would be remiss if we

972
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: didn't point out there are also advantages to having information

973
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: online in the cloud, locating loved ones and emergencies, arguably

974
00:58:54,200 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: convenience and of course medical processes right um and in

975
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: some to dovetail the point that um, you know we're

976
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: making earlier met this does all come down to a

977
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: matter of trust. Indeed, as we said earlier faith, how

978
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: can you trust but verify the claims of private companies

979
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: such as i sp s and social media platforms. How

980
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,439
Speaker 1: can we trust the statements of a government when we're

981
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: aware of the actions that is taken in the past.

982
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: Spoiler and this is just my opinion, you cannot. I

983
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: think arguments based on faith are not the strongest. It's

984
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: tough to imagine a company or government, or even an

985
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: individual willingly giving up all the power implied in this uh,

986
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: this great amalgamation of fortune. And if you're not prepared

987
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: to completely divest from the Internet, I mean, because it

988
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: is a heck of a lifestyle change that we were

989
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: describing here, um, then perhaps your best bet is to

990
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: treat everything you post online, no matter how ephemeral and

991
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: arbitrary it may seem, as part of your permanent record.

992
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: Do you guys remember those threat Absolutely, Yeah, it's going

993
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: on your permanent record. This photo of you doing a

994
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: beer headstand, I thought I felt like that was something

995
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: that was just like in like Nickelodeon shows about you know,

996
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: being in high school. That's going on, yeah, permanent. I

997
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: can assure you all you kids listening out there, that

998
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: permanent record is very real and anything you do is

999
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: going directly on it. So be on your best behavior.

1000
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: Your kid doesn't listen to the show Man, not yet,

1001
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: we hope that you have enjoyed this episode. I know

1002
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: we went a little longer than usual as we were

1003
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: exploring this stuff. We want to hear from you. Are

1004
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:45,439
Speaker 1: you a person who has been contemplating hopping off the grid.

1005
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: Do you have a weird story about some internet voodoo

1006
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: that occurred to you, or are you a person who

1007
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: came in from the cold where you formerly off the grid?

1008
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: Did you have the kind of parents who never gave

1009
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: you a Social Security number? I know a couple of

1010
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: full like that in the crowd. If so, what has

1011
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: your experience been. I got creeped out recently. I got

1012
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: a video gaming system, which I sound like I'm in

1013
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds when I say stuff system. Yeah, I

1014
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: have a PlayStation and just the built in erosion of

1015
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: privacy stuff there. You know that there's a button just

1016
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:27,919
Speaker 1: to automatically share things out? Yeah, to start streaming? Yeah? Yeah,

1017
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a different world, right, But we

1018
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: want to hear your stories about that, and we'd like

1019
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: to hear any advice that you have for your fellow listeners. Yeah.

1020
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: Have you tried to delete something? Did you find a

1021
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: really great way to do it or a way to

1022
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: get through the the Google webs, all the spider webs

1023
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,439
Speaker 1: that Google has let us know, yes, and let your

1024
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: fellow listeners know as well. Speaking of your fellow listeners,

1025
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: that reminds us it's time for good at Conner. But

1026
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: not just your average garden variety shout out corner ladies

1027
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: and gentlemen. No, not a bit. I don't know why. Costumatically,

1028
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: we're doing a physical shout out. We're gonna shout toward

1029
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: an actual human face. Yes, that's right. Remember earlier in

1030
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: the show we mentioned that this episode is a team up,

1031
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: a collaboration with our colleagues over at Part Time Genius.

1032
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,959
Speaker 1: We are lucky enough to have one of the host

1033
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: of Part Time Genius, Will Pierson, here live on the

1034
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: show in person. Will thank you for coming. Hey, guys,

1035
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: it's great to be here. Will we promise we're not

1036
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: actually going to shout him your I really really wanted to,

1037
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,919
Speaker 1: just for fun the way, Well, it's because you're full

1038
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: of rage, Matthew. No, it's very happy, excited. I'm happy

1039
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: to be here. I may shout at you guys, just

1040
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: out of enthusiasts my path. Please direct the shouts, the

1041
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: shouts towards me. I probably have the worst hearing of

1042
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: the three of us, So well you on Part Time

1043
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: Genius explored a subject that is kind of a rabbit

1044
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:13,919
Speaker 1: hole and and a fantastic complementary exploration to our own

1045
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: that we just had earlier in this episode, whereas we

1046
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: were asking, um, what can a person delete off the

1047
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: Internet or if it's possible to do so? Uh, you

1048
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: and your co host Mango were exploring what information actually

1049
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: exists about a person online? Right right? And this idea

1050
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,479
Speaker 1: for us came about because one of our listeners wrote

1051
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: in after having an experience being at a grocery store

1052
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: buying a product, going home and despite having never looked

1053
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: up that product, on looking up that product online, they

1054
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: started being targeted with ads about that product and it

1055
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: was not a common thing with some sort of independent

1056
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,439
Speaker 1: soda or something like that, and they thought, this is weird,

1057
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: like is this coincidence or am I actually being targeted

1058
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: in some way? It's that's really what we started exploring more.

1059
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 1: You know, It's one of those things that I don't

1060
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: think most people are surprised that, you know, they're being

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01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: tracked online when they visit a website and that then

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01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 1: maybe they're targeted with ads because of that behavior online.

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01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: I think what most people don't fully recognize and that

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01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: we didn't even fully appreciate, was the fact that all

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01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: of your interactions, even in the real space, you go

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01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: to a grocery store, you go to any other kind

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01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 1: of store, you swipe that membership card, the way that

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01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: data is then exchanged among so many companies, so you're

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01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: you're making a purchase there, that email address, that phone

1070
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: number is matched up with what Facebook or some other

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01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: property has as your email and phone you know, phone number,

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01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: and all of it sync and they know that much

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01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: more about you, and it's that much easier for them

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01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: to try to target you with products and things. And

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01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: in our episode, we talked a good bit about the

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01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: idea of accepting those terms of use, and a lot

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01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: of that is you basically saying I'm okay with this

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01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: legally speaking, Yeah, absolutely, I mean, that's that's one of

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01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: the things that we we talked about is budies that

1080
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: are showing that, yes, we know that this information is

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01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: all out there and that they know this information about us.

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01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, it's pretty nice

1083
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: to be connected, and it's pretty nice to have this

1084
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: convenience so do we really want to give that up?

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01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: And most of us say no. Would you would you say,

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01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: for the uninitiated in this strange web of info bartering,

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01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: would you say that maybe your common brick and mortar

1088
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: loyalty cards are symptomatic or part of this network. Absolutely,

1089
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: so you've provided, you know, the cashier with your phone number,

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01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: your email address. And then there are companies, and just

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01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: to give a couple of examples, like there's a company

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01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: called Data Logics which works with these with these grocery

1093
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: stores or other brick and mortar they're purchasing this data.

1094
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: They're then turning around and selling it to a place

1095
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: like Facebook. And so Facebook has this ad programming division

1096
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 1: called Atlas that's very sophisticated, much more so than I

1097
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: think we even realize. That they then have this data

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01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: and when that information is syncd up, they knew that

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01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: that friend purchased that can of soda because they had

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01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: to either swipe their card or given their phone number,

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01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: or that it was likely to be them. And that's

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01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 1: how they knew to target them with ads not only

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01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: on Facebook, but any site, any page that has a

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01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 1: Facebook like button or share button that they have the

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01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: opportunity to show ads on those those pages as well,

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01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 1: So it's definitely part of that. I can't wait for

1107
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: the Augmented Reality Minority Report add placements like that when

1108
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:29,959
Speaker 1: you're just walking through the bus station and it's giving

1109
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: you all the stuff you bought it, or like in

1110
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: that Black Mirror episode where you have to spend your

1111
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: hard earned credits to skip the ad because it's actually

1112
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: projecting it constantly in your field of vision and in

1113
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 1: order to make it go away you have to spend

1114
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: money or credits, like in the episode its merits, sive

1115
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: million merits or something like that, which is great, great episode,

1116
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: very very bizarre and impression on a on a bright

1117
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: side though, you know, if we're more if it's great,

1118
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: you know us on how likely we are to do things.

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01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: It reminds me of like a global version of high

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01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: school relatives. You know, maybe it's not all bad, you know,

1121
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: maybe it's not all crime. Maybe I'm like, uh most

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01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 1: most likely to uh open for Luis c k whatever,

1123
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: dream big, That's what I was gonna say. Definitely maybe

1124
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: opened the door to the bathroom while he's walking in.

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01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: All right, we'll we'll, we'll fix this in post right now.

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Speaker 1: So speaking of bathrooms, um, I noticed, you know, we

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01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: have an office. We work out of an office here

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01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: and it's a shared restroom with everybody on the floor.

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01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: And right, I couldn't help but notice this is a

1130
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: complete side note. By the way, the toilet paper was

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01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: out again. And you know, nothing against staff here, it's

1132
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: just sometimes a lot of toilet paper is necessary. Yeah,

1133
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: and uh, well, I think maybe you found a solution. Well,

1134
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: we've got good news for you here. I mean, we

1135
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: know that there are over eight billion items out there

1136
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: connected to the web, and we've been looking into all

1137
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: of these different types of devices and there is something

1138
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 1: which is kind of like the Internet of toilet paper.

1139
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: And it's this new product called roll Scout, and it

1140
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: informs you via text or email or app when the

1141
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: toilet paper is low or out. And I have to

1142
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 1: admit I made fun of this product when Mango mentioned

1143
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: it on our episode, and then as I thought about

1144
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 1: it more and I thought, you know, you're a business owner,

1145
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: you're a cafe owner or something like that. I mean,

1146
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: this is something that really ticks off a customer, right,

1147
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: And so for sixty bucks, you can then keep tabs

1148
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: on this and know when that toilet paper is running out.

1149
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of all in on this thing. Have

1150
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: you seen those Amazon buttons that you can get. It's

1151
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,560
Speaker 1: like a button that specifically tied to a product like

1152
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 1: Tied or something like that, and you stick it to

1153
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,719
Speaker 1: your washing machine, and when you notice that you're getting

1154
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: low on Tied, you jam that button and it automatically

1155
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: places in order for you for Tied. So it's like,

1156
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, we participate in this stuff as well, and

1157
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: and then like these apps and things like that in

1158
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 1: the button are almost like complicit versions of this tracking

1159
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: stuff where we're like, we're kind of participating in this process.

1160
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 1: And it's like for people, you know, this argument that

1161
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 1: it's worth it my info, it's fine. I don't care

1162
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 1: if you know how many times that were retired because

1163
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 1: you even search for things on Amazon and started getting

1164
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: served up ads like in your Gmail account. It's all connected, clearly,

1165
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: And I think that that's one of the things that

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01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: we talked about in the episode as well. As you know,

1167
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 1: we focus so much on what are the websites we're

1168
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 1: visiting and what are we doing on social media, and

1169
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 1: we're not stopping to think about all of the products

1170
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: that are integrated into our everyday lives, which are now

1171
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,560
Speaker 1: connected to the broader web that are providing data and

1172
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: other information to these companies as well. There was one

1173
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: that kind of made me laugh at first, and then

1174
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: it scared me. It's this product called Aristotle from Mattel.

1175
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: It's basically like this three dollar version of Alexa, but

1176
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 1: for little ones. And so you have it in your

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01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: room with a baby or a toddler, and it not

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01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: only has the facial recognition and voice recognition, but it's

1179
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: a machine that's in this room that is able to

1180
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: track pretty much everything that's happening there. So every time

1181
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: a diaper has changed, every time of feeding is occurring,

1182
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: and so from day one, these lives are being tracked

1183
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 1: and at some point this data is then available to

1184
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 1: Mattel to do whatever with right to decide how we

1185
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: need to be you know, retargeted in some way, or

1186
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 1: how products need to be customized for us, so you know,

1187
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 1: maybe not used in a scary way. But at the

1188
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: same time, it's just so odd to think that from

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01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: this first day of a baby's life, all of this

1190
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 1: data is available. It's not it's not scary at all. Well,

1191
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 1: it's it's the only way we'll be able to make

1192
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,879
Speaker 1: the first real super AI. We have to know exactly

1193
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: what a human is like from the day it is

1194
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: born until it is able to put its own pants on. Right,

1195
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 1: And it's called Aristotle, which sounds very smart. It must

1196
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 1: be fine. Do you think all this stuff has affected

1197
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 1: the field of market research? I mean, can you even

1198
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: imagine borderline read? Yes? Yeah, I mean with all of

1199
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: this data there, I it's hard to even imagine how

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01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: much these jobs in that world of market research have

1201
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: changed in the past ten years. You know, how much

1202
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 1: more data in an overwhelming amount of data that's there,

1203
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 1: and what to do with it. So it's probably one

1204
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:08,839
Speaker 1: of those things at this point that even the company's

1205
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: coming up with it. They're like, we don't know what

1206
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna do with this, but we're going to have

1207
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 1: so much data and just salivating over that. Gosh, by golly,

1208
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: do know one of the questions that occurred to us

1209
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: when we were listening to your episode was the the

1210
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: concept of whether or not this is inevitable? You know,

1211
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: has the has the zygeist already shifted? As are the

1212
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: badgers out of the bag? So speak? What what do

1213
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: you think, do you think that it's possible that people

1214
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 1: would somehow rebel against this or is it at this point?

1215
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: Has it already reached what Malcolm Gladwell would call the

1216
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 1: tipping point? I mean, you have to feel like this

1217
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: has already past a certain point where again because of

1218
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:59,879
Speaker 1: the upsides, or what we would perceive as the upside,

1219
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, the pleasure that's brought to us by having

1220
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 1: this constant connection with other friends, and what people are

1221
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 1: getting out of that, and the ease that it's you know,

1222
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 1: the fact that I can go get my tide just

1223
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 1: by pressing that button or whatever it is. I mean

1224
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: that convenience means a lot to people, and I think

1225
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 1: they're willing to sacrifice a whole lot just to um

1226
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: to have those things. So I don't know. I'm sure

1227
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 1: there's going to continue to be battles over this and

1228
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: more and more battles over this, But it also feels

1229
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: like we're only seeing the beginning of this complete connectedness

1230
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 1: in a way, we're in the prequel. If this were filled,

1231
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,719
Speaker 1: this is it, And as stuff gets better, the AI

1232
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 1: gets more advanced, maybe we won't even have to push

1233
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 1: the button. It'll just know that we're out of tide.

1234
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: Based on our habits and our purchasing patterns for Tide

1235
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 1: or some product, it will automatically know what to send

1236
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 1: us when, so that we never run out of you know,

1237
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: American craft singles or even stuff that you didn't know

1238
01:12:56,680 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: you wanted. It will it'll be like just they're like, no, Brown,

1239
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 1: we have delivered your shipment of tide and to route

1240
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 1: to Vegas and you sounded just like my wife, which

1241
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: makes it even more creepy. Leadies and gentlemen, you know

1242
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,560
Speaker 1: on this show that we always endeavor to um not

1243
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 1: just provide information, but provide opportunities to act. And with

1244
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: this in mind, will we were hoping to ask you

1245
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 1: is there? I say, hoping to ask We'll just ask

1246
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 1: you is there? UM? Is there any like advice or

1247
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 1: I guess, words of guidance and were words of warning

1248
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 1: that you could give to our listeners when it comes

1249
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:42,600
Speaker 1: to their online presence. I think, honestly, it's really just

1250
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 1: about being aware that this is happening and trying to

1251
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:48,560
Speaker 1: know what your comfort level is with this. You know,

1252
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 1: if this is not something that you're comfortable with, these

1253
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: companies having all of this data and a certain amount

1254
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:57,679
Speaker 1: of this is inevitable, right, But if you don't want

1255
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: that data to be shared, you know, you probably need

1256
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 1: to avoid signing up for these memberships of you know,

1257
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:06,440
Speaker 1: various clubs and things that where all of this is exchanged.

1258
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 1: But for the most part, is it it's making that

1259
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: decision for yourself. Am I comfortable with this information being

1260
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:14,640
Speaker 1: out there? But then just being cautious and knowing that

1261
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 1: any information that you're providing to one company is going

1262
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,759
Speaker 1: to be shared with several others and anything, any activity

1263
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 1: that you're participating in online is available to so many

1264
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 1: others out there as well. So I don't think there's

1265
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: any sort of like magic thing that you can do.

1266
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 1: Um And and as you guys have discussed, the idea

1267
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 1: of trying to just completely wipe the web of your

1268
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 1: existence is pretty much impossible, right. So I think it's

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Speaker 1: just deciding whether we're willing to participate in the digital

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Speaker 1: world as it is now, and and if so, to

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Speaker 1: what extent. I I have another question to to follow

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Speaker 1: up because it just occurred to me, Um, are there

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Speaker 1: any concerns that parents should have now that they're raising

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Speaker 1: children in an entirely connected world? Right? I almost don't

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Speaker 1: even want to get into that is having as having

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Speaker 1: children and you think about I mean, to me, part

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Speaker 1: of what's scary about that is just more unlike when

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Speaker 1: we grew up and you came home from school and

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Speaker 1: you shut off the rest of the world and you

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Speaker 1: played and you were just kind of in this other world.

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Speaker 1: There is this need for children now by the time

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Speaker 1: they're in middle school, to be constantly connected, and their

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Speaker 1: brains are almost aren't ready for this are capable of

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Speaker 1: managing that, and so that is one of my concerns.

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Speaker 1: It's of course there's all the concerns about what information

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Speaker 1: you're sharing and how exposed you are and making sure

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Speaker 1: that you protect yourself in that sense, but there's also

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Speaker 1: the sense of just helping our children have that necessary

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Speaker 1: break from the outside world and just existing in a

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Speaker 1: world of two or three friends and their family. To me,

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Speaker 1: that's one of the most important parts about this is

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Speaker 1: not having them feel from such an early age that

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Speaker 1: they have to have connection. It's just not good for

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Speaker 1: anybody's brain, much less at kids. I'm struggling with that

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Speaker 1: with my kid, and I'll have to just be like okay,

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Speaker 1: over at that time it is done. Yeah, just let

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Speaker 1: it go, like but I have to, you don't. You

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Speaker 1: don't have to, and it starts as almost toddlers, she's

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, but she's you know, sort of

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Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like I'm tute my home.

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Speaker 1: It kind of an advanced eight year old, I suppose,

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Speaker 1: but like, yeah, it's just like it hurts me to

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Speaker 1: see her almost falling into these kind of addictive behavior

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Speaker 1: cycles where I'm just like, stop, stop your obsessed, and

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Speaker 1: we're saying stop as we're also peeking off to them

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Speaker 1: or whatever it is. I'm the worst and I set

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Speaker 1: the worst example. And it's like the classic do as

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Speaker 1: I say, not as I do, which I just feel

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Speaker 1: like a total hypocritical jerk. But I'm trying. I'm trying

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Speaker 1: every day as well. But I say, move to the

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Speaker 1: Blue Ridge Mountains. They have some Greek communities out there.

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Speaker 1: You can really disconnect if you move to the quiet zone. There.

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Speaker 1: You go where there's no cell phone, no TV, no radio, nothing,

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Speaker 1: just banges. Yeah, just uh, rocks and sticks. No problems

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Speaker 1: out there. Yeah yeah. Also the most stable people that's

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Speaker 1: right in to congregate there too. Uh And that is

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Speaker 1: a story for another day. Kidding you can check it

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Speaker 1: out right now because we did an episode on our

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Speaker 1: dare I say, Misadventures in the Quiet Zone? Uh? And

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Speaker 1: before you do that, well, we want to thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for collaborating on the show and for coming

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Speaker 1: in lending your expertise to our friends and neighbors in

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Speaker 1: the audience. So this has been a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: I'm a longtime fan of the show here, so it's

1325
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Speaker 1: really been a blast getting on to work on this together.

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Speaker 1: Unless we forget that this was but a taste of

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Speaker 1: the part time Genius perspective on this subject. So where

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Speaker 1: can folks go find the full meal? Hey, this was

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Speaker 1: our brand new episode over part time Genius. Come check

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Speaker 1: us out then. We hope you enjoy it wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your podcast. That's right, nicely done, Yes, nicely done.

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Speaker 1: That's the line. And this can duds our but not

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Speaker 1: our show. Matt Noel Tristan. I will return next week

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Speaker 1: with something, hopefully, I mean to say, equally fascinating but

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Speaker 1: maybe a little less disturbing, you know what I mean? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'd be okay with that. In the meantime, if if

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Speaker 1: we have not talked to him too trying to quit

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Speaker 1: social media and you know you're still using the Internet

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Speaker 1: to listen to the show. Just feels so hypocritical. I

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Speaker 1: wish I knew how to quit you right. Yes, Uh,

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Speaker 1: although it does it does sound a little bit uh

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Speaker 1: hypocritical and contradictory. I think it's kind of funny that

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Speaker 1: we're saying at this point you could you can find that.

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Speaker 1: You can totally find us on Facebook and it's all

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Speaker 1: up on the internet, all over it. WHOA, what a

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Speaker 1: bunch of roots. Yeah, you can find a work Conspiracy

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Speaker 1: Stuff Work Conspiracy Stuff Show on Instagram. Um. Again, you

1348
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Speaker 1: are the most important part of this show. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time. Please do also, before you hop off the

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