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Speaker 1: production of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render,

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Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f

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Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore. Nuke,

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Speaker 1: your office looks real nice. It doesn't. Really. Yeah, it feels.

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Speaker 1: But it just feels. Do you think it's because I

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Speaker 1: don't know, the first time in Missy's life she's ever

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Speaker 1: Not the only thing you've done different today. Five minutes ago.

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Speaker 1: I picked this up from where baron newcom parkss vehicle.

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Speaker 1: It is a can of Aerospall aerosol aluminum free body

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Speaker 1: I puffed this right by the air conditioner. Missy walks in.

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Speaker 1: It's like, looks great in here. Other things that had

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Speaker 1: excuse me, Well, I mean he's got a wil alright,

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Speaker 1: coon skin hat on his head. Wow, just bring up

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Speaker 1: So let me uh, let me, well, what what's different

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Speaker 1: That's a beautiful, dark chocolate brown bear. Yes, it is

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Speaker 1: dog this is an exaggeration but close to true, like

423
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: almost every dog in this region is gonna have some

424
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: amount of erlkiosis. And two years ago Fern almost died

425
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: before we figured out what was wrong with her, and

426
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: we got her on antibiotics and treated her, and the

427
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: older she got, she would go through spells of whinter

428
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: this lechiosis would flare up and you can't really cure it.

429
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: You carry it your whole life, but when it flares up,

430
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: you get on doxy cyclean and steroids and different things.

431
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: And basically I was gone for eight days and when

432
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: I came back, Um, she was just down. And you know,

433
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: you just almost wouldn't have noticed it unless you just

434
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: were really paying attention. And uh, it took me a

435
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: day or two to realize, Yeah, she didn't look good.

436
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: And basically it was just too late, and we get

437
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: we got her on doxy cycling and got her on everything,

438
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: and uh, basically I couldn't bring her back from it.

439
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: She she kind of I mean you could. She was aging,

440
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: She was not the same She was not the same

441
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: form she was two years before when she had a

442
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: bad flare up of it. So she I think I

443
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: think there's a little bit of you know, the stages

444
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: of grief, part of the denial, on the bargaining and

445
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: all that. I think there's a little denial about her

446
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: baseline was pretty pretty poor for the last couple of years,

447
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, but she was she hunted up

448
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: until I mean hunted good up until last winter. Even

449
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: this summer. I hunted her this summer. Yeah, I'm not

450
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: saying she couldn't hunt. I'm just saying I think that

451
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: Clay feels like if he'd been here, he could have

452
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: fixed this. I'm not sure you could have. I'm not

453
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: sure to write a song about this would be a heartbreaker.

454
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: Would have been there, man, there's an old country song

455
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: about feed Jake. Yeah, but that was the owner. The

456
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: owner died. Yeah, a little bit different. Yeah, now it's

457
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: it's it was. It really was sad for me. Fern

458
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: was the best coon dog I've ever owned, and she

459
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: came around. It was almost by accident that I got her.

460
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: And she was such a good dog for me. She

461
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: really for me, she was and uh so it was

462
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: it was hard to lose her. It was, it was.

463
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: But but I'm I'm hunting a new young dog and

464
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: we're already gathering up some combs. Yeah. Yes, and though

465
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: not really all by herself, but I've been hunting her

466
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: and we've been bringing coons home in the back of

467
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: the truck. Let me just say it that way. What's

468
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: your name? Who? Who? Who's good? She a couple of

469
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: Ferns niece, so Ferns brother is the sire of Hoot.

470
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: I'll see if I can find the video. She got

471
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: her name because we put a video up of her

472
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: on Instagram. She had the funniest She's the barkingest dog

473
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: we've ever had. And we when she was a newborn,

474
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: we brought her inside and she would she would get

475
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: going and then she would kind of howl like a bartowl.

476
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: She would sound the way it was. It was really funny.

477
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, we got a lot of hope, hope for who.

478
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: That's that's the campush hope for who. Yeah, yeah, if you,

479
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: if you, if you want to tag me on that

480
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: on Instagram, go for it. Hope for Hooree's all we got,

481
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: man uh and we've still got Jed, which the World

482
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: barrett A magazine people would know Jed. Jed was the

483
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: dog that I used to make videos videos of that

484
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: would jump up on my desk and everything. A man.

485
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what learned a lot about a dog,

486
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: and I think you learned. I mean, maybe you could

487
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: learn this about people, Jed. If you turn Fern and

488
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: Jed loose and they went and treat a coon, you

489
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: would think Jed was a top notch kun dog. Because

490
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: he's gonna strike with Fern. He's gonna run with Fern.

491
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna be there every breath, he's gonna tree, he's

492
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: gonna You're just saying, man, I got too fine coon

493
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: dogs until one of them, until Fern is gone. And

494
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: Jed he can't treat coon for the life of himself.

495
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: He can't. He drives hard too, man, It's almost like

496
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: he's confused. Like he burns out of there and he's like,

497
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: here we go when two, let's go coon season? Yeah,

498
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: And then he goes out there and like he runs

499
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: backtracks and he can't. There's all kind of things going

500
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: on in coon hunting that that a dog has to

501
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: be able to do. They gotta know which way to

502
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: run the track, they gotta be able to uh be

503
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: able to locate the tree. And Jed he just can't

504
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: do it. Man. My favorite party about hunting with Jed,

505
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: though that's great, is that he he he likes to

506
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: show off. He's real athletic, and he likes to he

507
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: likes runner, and he likes to leap. He likes to

508
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: like get on the hillside and try to leap towards

509
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: the tree. And it's kind of a beautiful thing to watch.

510
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: Like you're out there in the evening and you've just

511
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: got a coon light out there, and you see that

512
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: silhouette of that dog jumping from the side no less

513
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: than like twelve feet up a like almost straight oak tree.

514
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: He'll he'll just run and hit that tree and scramble up.

515
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a great nose. And when they get

516
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: up there is they just kind of push off the

517
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: tree and then just come down and land, and it's

518
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: actually dangerous. He's a climber. So lots of dogs get killed.

519
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: Lots of dogs get killed by being climbers because they

520
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: if you have a slanted tree that a coon's in,

521
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: that they'll cat walk and get way up in the

522
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: top of a tree. Brent was actually on a hunt

523
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: where a dog died that had climbed a tree. So

524
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: Jed Jed's only fallowed out of a tree a couple

525
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: of times above. Some might be why you can't tree

526
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: a coon? Now, Dad, Vietnam, when you came home, you

527
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: had a motorcycle. What happened? Well, you know, I can

528
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: make this story real shorter, I can make a real

529
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: long make it as long as you want. Okay, Well,

530
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: we had a buddy when we were in the States

531
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: that wanted to be a war hero. He had a

532
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: buddy killed in Vietnam, and he tried and tried to

533
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: get in something where he could fight. He really wanted

534
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: to be a helicopter pilot. I want to be a

535
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: warrant officer, and uh, he couldn't get through. I mean,

536
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: he had a degree from University of Missouri. One of

537
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: the smartest guys you've ever met, great personality, and so

538
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: once they put him into post office with me, he

539
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: kind of devoted his whole career to just monkey with people.

540
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: You know. It was real fun to be with him.

541
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: And uh, he was smarter than most of the officers,

542
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: so I mean he could he could do cool stuff

543
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: to us. Anyway, after he got out of a French

544
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: dungeon when we were in Germany, we my other buddy,

545
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: we're already in Vietnam dungeon. Well, he got picked up

546
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: for doing some stuff. It wasn't too good and uh,

547
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: and so anyway, his dad was an attorney. He came over,

548
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: so he's straight up got arrested. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty

549
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: serious stuff. Okay, I mean to us is g I's

550
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: it was you know, it wasn't bad, but to the

551
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: world it was. So anyway, we get to Vietnam and

552
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: we'd get him shipped over to us. So we're all

553
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: at this post office. So we got a one man

554
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: post office up in way that ted of sixty eight

555
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: where all the fighting was going on. And this was

556
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: in sixty nine, and so we told told ourselves, if

557
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: you'll get this guy in here, we'll have him behave

558
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: as long as you're here. Once you lose leave, you know,

559
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: two or three weeks or a month with turn him loose. Okay,

560
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: So the boss man was gonna be there for three

561
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: more weeks something like that, and you you you request. Yeah,

562
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: he was kind of our buddy and he was Captain said, hey,

563
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: get this guy. You get him here, we promise you

564
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 1: he'll he'll behave until you leave. And so once he leaves,

565
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: Quinn takes over. Man. I mean, this guy, I'll tell

566
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: you his name. I'd love for it. We've tried to

567
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: contact and we think he's probably dead. He was so crazy. Uh,

568
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: But so he gets in the post office in Way,

569
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: one man post office. I mean, this is gonna be

570
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: a zoo. Well, we're a big post office in food

571
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: by it. I mean, we just can't wait to see

572
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: what he's gonna be up to after about six months,

573
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: three months. Maybe he's got an apartment downtown, which you

574
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: can't even get off the compound. I mean you get

575
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: there in a in a vehicle, you stay there, you

576
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: don't even get off the base. Well, he's got a

577
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: apartment downtown. When you go into his who he's got

578
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 1: stuff from the commissary. He's fixed to open a restaurant,

579
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: I mean an American g I in Vietnam. He's got

580
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: a business in way. Well, he hadn't opened it, but

581
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: he's got the merchandise there. He's he's getting he's playing

582
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: and where he's gonna do it, and he's gonna pull

583
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: it off, and he's gonna get to run it. But

584
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: he does have the apartment. And I spent the night

585
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: with him one night. I mean you could hear gunfire

586
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: in the streets. Um So, anyway, he buys a Honda

587
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: ninety in a Honda fifty. This guy's in Vietnam. Of

588
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: course we're in Vietnam. I mean, we're so bored that

589
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: we just had to create stuff, you know, to get

590
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: us through. Well, here Quinns got this apartment and two motions.

591
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: So it off of the base and you know you're

592
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: not even supposed to leave the base. Yeah, he he had,

593
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: he had stuff we would dress up in. He called

594
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: it Korean outfits. Would put on Korean hats and we

595
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: would walk off the base even though we were bigger

596
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: than Korean's and we could get off the base and

597
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: he he had little ways and he could get us

598
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: back to the shop where he had these motorcycles and

599
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: then we'd go ride these motorcycles all day and um,

600
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: come spend the night in his apartment. And so anyway,

601
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: we're just out and he took us out into the

602
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: Ashaw Valley. We'd go to restaurants. We thought we were

603
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: going to a restaurant one time and it was, um,

604
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: it was actually a family reunion and so and so,

605
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: I mean that that was pretty comical. And so I

606
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: remember this. I've heard these stories about life. They go

607
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 1: to this place that they think is a restaurant. There's

608
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: all these people eating and all this food set out,

609
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: and they like walk in and y'all like start eating, right. Well,

610
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 1: I mean there they brought us food, they brought you food.

611
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: And then you like we're like hoping to pay for it,

612
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: and they're like, and one's this older guy was what

613
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: they called an opium freak, and Quint well, he could

614
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: relate to him, you know, Quince Quintin talk enough. And

615
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: finally Quint looks over at us and goes, hey, this

616
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: is a family reunion. And they're they're glad we're here.

617
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: So they brought us little things to drink and some

618
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: little rice and stuff, and then we leave and we

619
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: just come out of the Ashaw Valley. If you know

620
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 1: what the Ashall Valley is all this agent on words,

621
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: that's where all the fighting, I mean they were. They

622
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: were in the Ashall Valley, those Vietcong. And we go, Quint,

623
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: you know, are you sure we can ride these motions?

624
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: And a shall hell? And he goes, oh yeah, man,

625
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: he said, we'll just hit the edge of it and

626
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: come around to this restaurant. And you know, we run

627
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: into uh infantry guys in the back of a douce

628
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: and a half and we pull up behind them and

629
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: you know, they're all sitting here like this and they

630
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: look back and they just loved it. They just went

631
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: berserk when they saw that we were on four guys

632
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: on motors on two and they were like on two

633
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: motors to four of us on two motor So, I

634
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Speaker 1: mean we're seeing big buddhoos about the size of your

635
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: house back in the Jungles. I mean, it is a

636
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: treat for a guy locked up in Vietnam. I mean,

637
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: it's just like the most freedom I've ever felt. So

638
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: we'd play little games a little with race and with

639
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: Chase and and uh so Quent would drive one, I'd

640
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: drive the other one, and then we had buddies on

641
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: the back. And so my buddy he uh, you know,

642
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: I just thought i'd slap him with a limb, you know,

643
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: just be driving down roading, hit a tree like this,

644
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: kind of lean out. Yeah, I lean back and I

645
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: was gonna slap him with a tree limb. Yeah. Well

646
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: there's constantina wire and it and it took our motors out,

647
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: just skipped us down the highway and my arm was

648
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: all messed up like barbed wire, Constantina wire like that

649
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: stuff they would keep people out. Wow. So it's just

650
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: like skid skided you all down the road. Yeah. Yeah.

651
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: And this must have been right before you went home,

652
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: it was, And so I had to go to How

653
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: did you explain that at the firm. R Oh, I

654
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: don't remember that part, but I know when I went home,

655
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: I was bandage from here down and I've got a

656
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: picture me coming off the plane with my arm bandage.

657
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: So we had we you know, Vietnam was it was

658
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: not good, but we we made the best though it. Yeah,

659
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: your buddy could have been an undercover CIA or something

660
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: doing some high level operations in the city. Yeah, I

661
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: mean he had to do anything really well. And I

662
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: mean back circling full circle here, folks, like, we don't

663
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: know if Dad did a chick tick check or not

664
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: when he came back, so he may have brought the

665
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: ticks back from East Asia or Lukiosa's spern coon coon

666
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: skin hat. Here we are back again in the Render

667
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: podcast on any Yeah, it was a long way to

668
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: get there, but here we are at Barger Bargery Surrender,

669
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: and kudo has to have been for bringing it back

670
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: to the actual topic. I surrender. Yes, I was actually

671
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: dead serious, like what if he really was an undercover

672
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: guy doing some high level stuff. I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

673
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 1: well we knew he wouldn't. That's what they all said

674
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: about Art two. Okay, so this third Secret Agent Man podcast.

675
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: I let me let me say that when I went

676
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: to Ohio to meet with ARTI Stewart, you never know

677
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: what you're gonna get into. That's what's so wild about

678
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: what I'm doing is I I envisioned this being one

679
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: podcast you you just don't know how someone's gonna respond

680
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: to just if they if they're gonna give you a

681
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: lot or give you a little, is how it's gonna go.

682
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: And when I was with r T, I spent three

683
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: and a half hours with him just talking NonStop, and

684
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: I knew. I was like, this is really good. There's

685
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: a lot of story here. And so you know, we

686
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: were able to make three full podcasts, So just a

687
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: review if you've not heard him. The first one was

688
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: called Secret Agent Man Art Stewart, which was a big

689
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: high level overview of artis life isn't Undercover Agent kind

690
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: of what they did, how they did it, And it

691
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: ended in a climactic moment of me asking RT was

692
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: it worth it, like all that you had to do?

693
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: RT talked about the difficulties he had with family and

694
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 1: and he said no, And that was like a really

695
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: unique podcast. The second podcast was about it was called

696
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: Secret Agent Man Operation Redbud Part two and that was

697
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: about the biggest sting that they ever did, which was

698
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: the largest Turkey po sting in in the U S

699
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: at the time. The third one was called Secret Agent

700
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: Man Instinct, and it was really really what happened from

701
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: a functional level is that I had built these two podcasts,

702
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: but I still had multiple disconnected, really fun stories from

703
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: RT that I couldn't fit in the other ones. So

704
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: but I but I really wanted to tell those parts

705
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: of the story. And then I had also interviewed Dr

706
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: Matthew Sharps um which I need to make a correction.

707
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: I said he was from um Fresno. I stated the

708
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: wrong university that he was from. He's from California. Believe

709
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: it's from California State. Somebody look up where Dr Matthew

710
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: Sharps as a professor of I need to make a

711
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: correction there. But he gave basically what I was trying

712
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: to do in the stories that were told about r

713
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: T was that he he just had an uncanny ability

714
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: to get out of situations. And then I started asking

715
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: Dr Matthew Sharps about that about how humans respond under

716
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: stress and when we go on autopilot, what happens, and

717
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: he starts talking about scripts, script violations, and how there's

718
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: a whole lot of stuff that's built inside of us

719
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: at a DNA level that we feel like it's unconscious

720
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: and unplanned, but it's actually like really deep inside of us.

721
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: Um and he gave some really unique examples that didn't

722
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: directly relate to our t but showed us that we

723
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: are flowing at a whole level of of of action

724
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: sometimes that we don't we don't even connect the conscious thought.

725
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: For instance, like him saying that that humans have an

726
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: innate built into them in their d N a desire

727
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: to be near cover at the dark. Did y'all think

728
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: that was interesting fascinating? I thought the part about like

729
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: even paintings, like we have like preferential taste inside of

730
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: paintings that we want people to Yeah, I thought that

731
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: was that was super fascinating. Yeah, I mean, that's that's

732
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: at a DNA level. But if you if you think

733
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: about it and envision yourself with your family out in

734
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: a big giant field and it starts to get dark,

735
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: like you, I mean, I guess you could rationalize standing

736
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field, but like You're like,

737
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't want to be near the

738
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: cover we didn't get. We didn't get some cover and

739
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: where you could climb the safety. Yeah, and that's what

740
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: he said. He said, because we used to have to

741
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,959
Speaker 1: watch out for big cats. And I mean some people

742
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: in Arkansas and Alabama still do black panthers exactly. Um,

743
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: but it's probably a little stronger in US that that sixthing.

744
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: Cow state state, California State in Fresno is where Dr

745
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: Matthew Sharp started. He was a neat guy. He was

746
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: a fun guy. Um, I think that's what you said. Well,

747
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: I said it on the first one. The second one

748
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: I said it different and somebody called me out on it.

749
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: I really I was really fascinated by a humans ability

750
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: to three times like your ability to memorize tracks. Interesting

751
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 1: in in his test sample were like urban urban students,

752
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: which is amazing. Yeah, yeah, that's good research. I'm glad

753
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: there's a guy's research and stuff like that. What I

754
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: thought when I heard that, I was like that that's

755
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: really cool. Yeah. Yeah, it just it just makes you

756
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: wonder how much how much we really are flowing? Did

757
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: it make sense? When I did the spot on Supernatural

758
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: did that make sense? And why I was saying that

759
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: it does to me. Everybody's quiet, and I was gonna

760
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: say the same thing it does to me. I mean

761
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: it does to me because I think that that's I

762
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: can I you know, I think from our worldview, there's

763
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: and that's what I was thinking, is I was listening

764
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: to this, you know, I definitely we have space inside

765
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: of our worldview for a spiritual a spiritual component of

766
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: our life. And you know, like I think, I don't

767
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: know like doctrinally if that's the right word to use,

768
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: but like we believe there's a spirit so embody, and

769
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: that these are three aspects of a human being, and

770
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: we do things to intentionally make you know, make our

771
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: spirit alive and and and active and and a dynamic part.

772
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: So I feel like when I was listening to that,

773
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: I was thinking, there's for sure things that have happened

774
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: that are in the supernatural room that I've experienced personally,

775
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: and I would have a hard time separating those things

776
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 1: from what they described is like these DNA and coded

777
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: Well that's that was kind of my point, was that

778
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: there are mechanisms that describe things that maybe someone would

779
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: have attributed as a sixth sense or something supernatural, and

780
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: then you could go, well, it turns out it wasn't supernatural.

781
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: Turns out this is a result of you know, just

782
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: humans being on the landscape for how long. And all

783
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: I was saying was I absolutely believe that. But I

784
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: was saying, the mechanism of how this stuff happens does

785
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: not negate for me another thing that I'm not talking about,

786
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: which and I was just like, I absolutely believe in

787
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: the ability for someone to get information that absolutely doesn't

788
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: come from here and doesn't come from our DNA, but

789
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: comes from a divine source. That's all I was saying,

790
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: because I guess that the next train of thought was like, oh, shoot,

791
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as instinct. Instinct is just built

792
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: into our d N. A we're actually tapping into some

793
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 1: unseen database of intel that's making us move. The way

794
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: that always summarize this kind of struggle you're talking about

795
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: between like signs of spirituality is that they're not mutually exclusive.

796
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: They answer they answer district questions like science addresses the

797
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: how and the spirituality addresses the hy. So when I

798
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: when I hear stuff about that, and you know, we

799
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: can trace this anthropologically to blah blah blah. I'm like, well,

800
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: to me, that just answers the how, and but it

801
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: could still be some divine source. So that's one thing

802
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: I love about Bear Grease. Is it to me, when

803
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: you try to whittle everything down to this you know,

804
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: super scientific rationale, it actually kind of simplify oversimplifies it

805
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: because there there wrest scientific, traceable evidence and conclusions that

806
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: we're being brought up in that episode. But to me,

807
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: that doesn't negate how amazing it is. It's like, look

808
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: at this ability, the social abilities that we have because

809
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: of our large brains, because of however long we've been here, whatever,

810
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: It's pretty incredible. And to see that go from this

811
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: ancient context and now this guy, you know, in this

812
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: context of undercover it to me, it just I liked

813
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: the whole series because it just showed me just how

814
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: unexplainable our our minds are, unexplainable people are. And to me,

815
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: it's just a really cool series. What about when he

816
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: go ahead, Missy, what we I was just gonna say.

817
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: I think one of the things, you know, he talked

818
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: about these fireflight instincts kind of brought that on and

819
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: this guy was putting himself in an incredibly dangerous situation.

820
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: And one of the things that I think about a

821
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 1: lot is that just how people, over time, that spiritual component,

822
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: that six ins whatever you call it, has become numb

823
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: or more so than it was d years ago. And

824
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: part of that is because of philosophies of thought that

825
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: have shifted and that say, well, that's actually not even

826
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: you know, if it's not measurable, visible, these are things.

827
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: If it's intangible, we don't, yeah, all those things, it

828
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: doesn't exist. So that's part of that. Part of it

829
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: is that society has shifted in most parts, in a

830
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: lot of parts of the world to where we're not

831
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: in such a survival state. And and one of the

832
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: things that I think is is interesting and interesting question

833
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: to ask is have those things numbed us to the

834
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: point and numbed our kids and the kids that are

835
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: growing up now to the point that they are going

836
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: to have to It's hard. You have to make space

837
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: for that aspect of your of your life to come alive.

838
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: And this guy basically created that space by putting himself, yeah,

839
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: in a wild situation. And if the structures of life

840
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: were tore down around us, we'd all get real spiritual,

841
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: real quick. Yeah. Yeah, I watched my bees last week.

842
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: We had like seventy degree weather all week long, and

843
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: and the way they acted the night that it was

844
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: going to drop to twenty from like have that fifty degree,

845
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: which is a big deal, was interesting to me, just

846
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: like watching them. They were out and alive, but they

847
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: were kind of crazy. They were can be peaceful or

848
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: they can be agitated, and they were agitated. And I

849
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: you know, you hear all these stories about the birds

850
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: before that big tsunami, Uh that the birds kind of

851
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: and all the animals retreated from the coast. It's almost

852
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: like they knew. So there was some definite biological things.

853
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: But I think I have like real specific examples even

854
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: of of you of like being concerned for you are

855
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: not concerned where I did feel like it was a

856
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: spiritual thing. Yeah, and and but I also feel like,

857
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, you make yourself more open to that

858
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: rumor absolutely well it was it. It was interesting. I

859
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: also thought it was interesting when he said that humans

860
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: can they can pick out a serial killer just by

861
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: looking in their eyes. Now he said they didn't know

862
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: they were serial killers, but if you gave an I

863
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: gate image of ten people, you would be like that

864
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: guy and that guy I don't trust, and then you know,

865
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: some percentage of the time, a high percentage of the time,

866
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: they're like, well, okay, those two guys are serial killers.

867
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: That's what I tried to describe, which was kind of

868
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: hard to do. But think about an actual image of

869
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: someone's eyes. I can envisioned just like a cropped photo

870
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: where all you could see was eyebrows over and you know,

871
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: maybe under the eyes, like two inches across the bridge

872
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: of the nose. What would be different about that between people?

873
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: It's I mean literally like you could draw it out

874
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: and you can say, well, his eyes were slightly closed more,

875
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: his pupils were bigger. Always looking at pupils, he is.

876
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: I walk into Dad's house and he hadn't seen me.

877
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: I walked into this house the other day after being hunting,

878
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: and he hadn't seen me in a while. And I

879
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: always tell when Dad hadn't seen me while he just

880
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: stares at me for a long time, and he said,

881
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: you look like you're own drugs, And I was, actually,

882
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: your mother brought that up. You really didn't. But I

883
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: do notice certain people in fact, um, I know it's

884
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: not always true, because I've seen it in two or

885
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: three people that I know aren't on drugs, but their

886
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: pupils are about this big hey, let me say something

887
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: about what you are talking about, all this spiritual stuff

888
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: and in six senses and things. Uh, you know, I

889
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: really liked this guy, your your PhD guy. I mean,

890
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: and I think what he's saying there's a lot of

891
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: truth to it. But there's another side of that thing

892
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: that the boy missed, and that is that when I

893
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: raised you, guys, Judy and I did, we would not

894
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: allow y'all to fight and argue, and it took something

895
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: away from you where when you got out in society,

896
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 1: you weren't as equipped as other kids two verbally defend yourself.

897
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: Even though I never saw it, but I just know

898
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: there's a reason it's so consistent within kids to scuffle

899
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: and argue and learn how to be a defense attorney.

900
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: I mean, they really do, I think. And so he

901
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: was raised up with two or three older brothers, so

902
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: his whole life he r t is he is. He

903
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: is spending a great amount of time trying to survive.

904
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: He's learning how probably now not necessarily with you guys,

905
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: but a lot of kids. You know, if you're brought

906
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 1: up in the ghether as you learn how the light

907
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: of the police, you learn how to tell stories, you

908
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: learn how to get out of stuff. You know. He

909
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: he was he was learning how to think real quick

910
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: on his feet. Mom, I didn't do that, you know.

911
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: I mean he learned this stuff as he was growing up.

912
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: So he was very well equipped to handle things quick

913
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: or his brothers were gonna beat him up because his

914
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: brothers were fighters. And would you believe it or not,

915
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot to that he trained his whole life

916
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: for this. Just you know, he was a fighter. He

917
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: was an interesting guy. You know, he's in the law enforcement.

918
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: I mean in I mean he's so I mean he's uh,

919
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: if you're gonna survives a little he had and you

920
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: got old bro, you know what it was like, Yeah, yeah,

921
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: I there's I think that that's a pretty good a

922
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: pretty good point that you're the and and it wasn't

923
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: like this guy was living a real protected life. I

924
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: mean the stories that he told about his life, the

925
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: coal mines and all that. And when he when they

926
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: asked him how many fights he got in and he's like,

927
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: oh not, this that was on this episode that was

928
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: one of my favorite stories. Yeah. Yeah, only forty forty fights.

929
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: How many times did he have to defend himself in

930
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: front of a parent or police officer or school teacher

931
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: or you know, his girlfriend and body? Yeah? Right, he

932
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: had to explain it. I mean, he had to go

933
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: with it and now you know what it was. You know,

934
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: he had to be quick on his feet. Yeah, I did.

935
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: I think what I hear you saying is that before

936
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: you try to jump to all these big biological conclusions,

937
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: maybe look at the guy's immediate family and you can

938
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: probably get a lot of Yeah. I definitely saw that

939
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: a lot when I used to teach in public school

940
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: and it was kind of savage. You could watch uh

941
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: a family, and you could watch boys and young girls

942
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: grown up and be like, man, I don't want them

943
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: to end up in prison, but man, it's gonna take

944
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: a lot of invention but for these behaviors to stop.

945
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: And so those patterns are pretty traceable. And there's a

946
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: there's a movie that Opie Taylor was in in uh,

947
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: The Courtship of Eddie's Father. Did y'all see that? Yeah,

948
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: my mom liked all these old movies, and in it

949
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 1: he was trying to explain to his dad what made

950
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: a good woman, the type of what he was. His

951
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: dad was a widower and his rich richie kunning him.

952
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: Rond Ron Howard. Yeah, so, but Opie's a little boy,

953
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: and he describes like squinty eyes, that kind of woman

954
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: you don't want. He described some other characteristics as well,

955
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: but the kind women were the ones with a round eyes.

956
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: And it's real funny. You should find that clip and

957
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 1: play it because it's actually it's really funny. And okay, well,

958
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: not a bad girl, not really. Actually, hey what about

959
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: the movie? Uh, I'm real bad at remember the name

960
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: of movies. But uh, this older smart mafia guy was

961
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: giving this young kids some advice. He said, when you

962
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: date this girl tonight, let me tell you what you um.

963
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: You take her to your car and you open the

964
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: door and you get her in, you close the door.

965
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: Then you go to your side and make sure the

966
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: door is locked on your side when you come to

967
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: the door to let your key to unlock. If she

968
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: doesn't unlock that door, just take her home, you know.

969
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: And and so anyway, that's what was he say. Well,

970
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: he he was just saying, if that girl has not

971
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: got enough smarts to look over and see the door's

972
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: lock and care enough about you to reach over and

973
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: unlock it. They're home. And of course it made a

974
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: lot a lot of sense when you watch the movie.

975
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: But so there's little things that you can watch for

976
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: girls that were rubber boots are always really good wife

977
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: yeas mere sweaters and fancy pants and shirts and yeah,

978
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: I like that. So there were there were multiple stories

979
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: that the I think one of the best stories was

980
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: when he was buying wally from a guy near Lake Erie,

981
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: So Ohio. I'm now like an Ohio expert. I find

982
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: I really connect with these guys from Ohio. It was

983
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: a pretty rough place. Um, the Appalachian Trails Ohio. What

984
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: do they call that? The they call the highway that

985
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: runs from I don't think it goes through No, it

986
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: doesn't lands in Ohio. It's where people migrated away when

987
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: the when they were trying to get work outside of

988
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: the coal mines and they landed in Ohio. What do

989
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: they call it? We're out of our lane here. Um,

990
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: the he was he was buying illegally caught perch. There

991
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: was a big thing going on where guys were catching

992
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: perch and selling it illegally. Which have you ever eaten yellow? Yeah? Yeah,

993
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: those are two of the best eat yellow purchase. Our

994
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: friend Troy Booth made us perch, made us fish tacos

995
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: out of perch one day. It was delicious. Yeah. I

996
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: kind of was wondering, like around here, a perch is

997
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: not like a great you know, people eat them, we

998
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: eat them, I mean whatever, but it's not You wouldn't

999
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: die for a perch out of the pond over here,

1000
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: uh or brim as we call them. Purchase something differently,

1001
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: Oh it is. It is totally different buying perch, buying

1002
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: buying these yellow perch. And the guy they're at a

1003
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: party and you hear a bigger story. Chip told a

1004
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: real condensed version. They're at a big party and these

1005
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: guys are like pretty wealthy, and but they're selling a

1006
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: ton of perch illegally, and and artis buying it. And

1007
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: he's a known buyer. He's been buying it, buying it,

1008
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: buying it, buying it, just racking up tickets for him.

1009
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: He would he would way every when they would sell

1010
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: him fish that he would go, you know, they would

1011
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: say like this is here's two pounds of fish, and

1012
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: Art would be like, are you sure, and he'd get

1013
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: his scale out and weigh it and document it to

1014
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: write it down yeah yeah, and be like, okay, that's

1015
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: actually two point seven pounds, thank you for the extra

1016
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: or whatever. But the guy says, how do I know

1017
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: you're not a you're not a game warden? And uh

1018
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:30,439
Speaker 1: and then Art jumps up, yells at the guy and says,

1019
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: I think you're the bleeping game warden. He says, I'll

1020
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: tell you what. Take off all your clothes and our

1021
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: Art starts taking his clothes off, drops his pants down

1022
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,479
Speaker 1: to his ankles, pulls his shirt off, throws his shirt

1023
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: on the ground, standing there with his pants as his ankles,

1024
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: shirt off at a party, yelling at this guy, demanding

1025
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: that he takes his clothes off so he can see

1026
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: if he's carrying a wire. And the dude, the guy

1027
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: that thinks RT is a game warden, is just like

1028
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: chill out man, and uh. And then artis wearing a

1029
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: cowboy hat and he's wearing the wire and there's a cowboy.

1030
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought it was so cool. Uh that sharps.

1031
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: He told me what that was. It was a script violation.

1032
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: That was really interesting because I've actually seen that. We've

1033
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: all seen that take place in our lives. That's where

1034
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: these little kids learned this stuff, the really sharp kids.

1035
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: You know, Mama's jumped some on them for something to go. Well,

1036
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: Susie just shot the game warden, you know, and so

1037
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: you know then what so she's this girl's free, you know.

1038
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: Script Yeah, script violace, like I encourage people to try it. Yes, yes,

1039
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna. I was waiting for the right moment, but

1040
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: I said it. Sometimes people ask you for stuff that

1041
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,479
Speaker 1: you can't give them, and so you gotta you gotta

1042
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: find the way out. I think it's seeing about kids

1043
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: in our family. We knew if we could make our

1044
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: mom laugh, so you would be getting in huge trouble.

1045
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: But if you could make because she's got a week spot,

1046
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: you could get out of anything funny. And well that's

1047
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: why my brothers are all funny. I'm hilarious. I'm assuming,

1048
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that you never did anything wrong. Get out. Yeah, okay.

1049
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 1: The other one was so the script violation, like, I

1050
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: thought that was really good. The other one was he's

1051
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: sitting around a card table and there's been a bald

1052
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: eagle that's been killed. Yeah, the poachers go are setting him.

1053
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: He doesn't know it, but they say, we know who

1054
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: killed that bald and Artie never lifted his eyes off

1055
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: his cards. Yeah he's they're playing poker, and he just

1056
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: just never paid any mind to it. And and then

1057
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: you know, two weeks later, the guys go, man, we

1058
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: thought you were a game warden. That's why we said

1059
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: that eagle thing. They laugh. I mean, it's pretty crazy.

1060
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: To me, that was the that to me, that story

1061
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: was the told the most about his complexity. Like for

1062
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: a person to have all that confidence and fearlessness yet

1063
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: the self control in that moment, that to me was

1064
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: really interesting, Like the script violation, Like comedians do that

1065
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: stuff all the time to be funny. You know, I

1066
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: just have a friend in college and if you're parked

1067
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: in from those concrete barriers, he had a big og

1068
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,439
Speaker 1: gep he'd always instead of you think you're gonna about

1069
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: to back up, he'd drive over it. You know, it's

1070
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: just hilarious. All it was always doing something weird like that.

1071
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: But in that moment, I want to know what went

1072
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: through his brain in those milliseconds to know that would

1073
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: have put him in danger. I want to know that too.

1074
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: That's That's what I when I was listening to this one,

1075
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: just listening to him talk. You know, Artie's a fun guy,

1076
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: like did did a big service, but he kind of rough.

1077
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: I mean he some of the when he was talking

1078
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: about his stories. I thought I could have gone to

1079
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: high school with this guy. I mean, like I know

1080
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: people like him who were just smart but but pretty rough.

1081
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: And that really uniquely equipped him for for this. And

1082
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't help but think how much of this was

1083
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: just like you just kind of learned to shut your

1084
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: mouth and not say like maybe he wasn't being strategic

1085
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: in that moment. Maybe he was, And looking back, he's like, oh,

1086
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: that was really strategic. Not to discount what he did,

1087
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: but just like maybe you just kind of know how

1088
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: to handle yourself around rough people well. And and he

1089
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: even said, you said you and you were a master

1090
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: at that, and he said, well, I didn't know it

1091
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: at the time, but looking back, I was pretty good

1092
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: at it. Isn't that the way that people do things though,

1093
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: is that they Yeah, he he wouldn't have thought I

1094
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: was good at this. Yeah, Like he just was doing

1095
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: what he knew how to do. And and then you know,

1096
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: thirty years when you kind of examine what he did,

1097
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, that's that's pretty good. I mean, that's

1098
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: that's kind of the way a lot of stuff works.

1099
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the way guys in in wars. Often

1100
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: they come back from a war. There's like, dude, we're

1101
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: just doing what we're supposed to do. It it was terrible,

1102
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: But then you know, you dive into what they did

1103
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: and it's like, that was pretty heroic. That was pretty

1104
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: pretty unusual. Yeah, you're like, well maybe it was. Yeah, yeah,

1105
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: he he wasn't too tim is just normal life. But

1106
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: when he stripped down, that was the danger right there.

1107
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: I mean, somebody could have said, okay, let's look at

1108
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 1: your hat now, you know. I mean he he could

1109
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: have been and his goose cooked. So he was gambling,

1110
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: and he knew from probably childhood experiences that that that

1111
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 1: you get naked and from much folks, you can get

1112
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: away with hat. That's yeah, yeah, I mean I don't know,

1113
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: but that, you know, I would not have ever had

1114
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 1: the savvy to do that. I mean that that takes

1115
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: a war type hero type guy to say, man, I'm

1116
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,959
Speaker 1: a layer on the line right now. Brothers. He didn't

1117
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: have a choice, though, you know. I mean that that's

1118
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: the thing that we're not putting ourselves in, is these

1119
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: high stakes moments, and that's what is so unusual. What

1120
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: was the other one? So it was it was the Wally,

1121
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: it was the Eagle story. And then Chip grows they

1122
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: call him partial Turkey. I mean that was just crazy.

1123
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: Well yeah, the real Turkey. Now, I think the real

1124
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: Turkey was just with Like, I don't think RT ever

1125
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: thought if I'm ever called out by Turkey Free, that's

1126
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: why they call me real Turkey RT. You know, with

1127
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: burst of adrenaline going towards his brain, you know, like

1128
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: that's your your fight or fight responses two, shoot adrenaline

1129
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: to whatever is needed at that time. Do you mentioned

1130
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: the cortex? A week, a couple of weeks, and then

1131
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 1: this guy brings it up again. So if you get

1132
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: too much blood flowing through your cortex, it doesn't work

1133
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: properly or what What's what was he saying? No, I

1134
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: think what he was saying was in a fight or

1135
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: flight moment, your body, your physical body requires more blood

1136
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: energy to potentially fight or run, and so it takes

1137
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: blood away from your brain. So you you actually aren't

1138
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 1: consciously thinking, but you go on autopilot, so there's less

1139
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: fuel in your brain and so your brain is just

1140
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: running off instinct whatever you want to call it. That's

1141
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: what I understood that. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, but and

1142
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: where all doctors? So we know? M hm, Well it

1143
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: was a it was a fun series. I think people

1144
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: really liked it. Did he retire from DNR? Oh yeah, yeah,

1145
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: and and yeah he did? Hey what about this was

1146
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: just one of the things that this this episode that

1147
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 1: really surprised me that the news, the Ohio State News

1148
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:11,919
Speaker 1: ran a story on undercover wildlife agents while he was undercover. Okay,

1149
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: ms nukem, we actually covered that in the first episode

1150
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: and this one. Okay, well, I'm just saying in the

1151
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 1: Render we talked about it. Were you able to listen?

1152
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: Did we talk about that in the Render? No? So

1153
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: okay mean to me. In the first episode, no, Chip

1154
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,719
Speaker 1: Gross told his story. Chip Gross the guy who wrote

1155
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: arties book in first person Got It, Got It. He

1156
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: was a game warden in Ohio, but he also wrote

1157
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: for Ohio d n RS like magazine that they sent

1158
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: to all their constituents. They had just started this undercover

1159
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: unit in the Wildlife Agency and it was public knowledge.

1160
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't like super top secret, that like, hey, we're

1161
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 1: doing this thing now. And he went to the supervisor

1162
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: and asked if he could write an article about the

1163
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: undercover agents, and the guy said sure, And so he

1164
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 1: writes an article and Target number two, Target number two,

1165
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 1: we all know. Target number two carries the the magazine

1166
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 1: article back to RT and says, look at this. These

1167
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: guys are living with these folks, and Art's like, God,

1168
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. And RT was very angry at

1169
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: Chip Gross for writing the article. Yeah, I can appreciate that.

1170
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: That's that's why I felt, Yeah, I can appreciate that.

1171
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 1: And you heard him bantering back and forth. So in

1172
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 1: the interview, Chip Gross was there with me and Chip

1173
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 1: is funny man. Chip is like, uh, I don't I

1174
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: don't know how old Chip is. Um. Chip is maybe

1175
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: Chip seventy. I mean he's he's a really fit guy,

1176
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: really smart, sharp, like fun guy. And I'm sure Chip

1177
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: is gonna be listening to this podcast. So Chip, hat

1178
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: tip to Chip grows um. And if you're only sixty two, sorry, yeah,

1179
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: sorry about that. Chip. If you're not seven, Uh no,

1180
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,600
Speaker 1: Chips a lot of fun and uh and he's a

1181
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: great writer and uh, and he wrote the book Poachers

1182
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 1: Were My Prey, which you can find on Amazon. How

1183
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: did the book does what I was curious about? You know? Um? Yeah,

1184
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 1: I did? It did well for a book that I mean,

1185
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't like a New York Times bestseller, but it

1186
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 1: was just kind of a regional book published by a

1187
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: state university. And so I don't know the numbers, but

1188
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 1: I think the book. The book did well. Um. And

1189
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 1: I know he's got a lot of sales on it

1190
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 1: since since this podcast came out. But but the Chip

1191
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: was there and and he and R T were going

1192
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: back and forth about you know, RT was like, I

1193
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 1: couldn't believe you did that. Chip was He was like, sorry, man,

1194
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: how big is RT? I'm been kind of wondering a

1195
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 1: fasting old boy is he? How big old boy is he?

1196
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: He's he he got to be over six ft, you know,

1197
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: I mean he's you think, oh, yeah, RT? How many fights?

1198
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 1: Believe in one? And I didn't started this guy jumped

1199
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 1: on him. He's pretty good. He's probably six one six two,

1200
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 1: and you know he's probably not in fighting shape these days.

1201
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't want to fight him. I mean, if

1202
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: I fought r T. I mean he'd know he'd been

1203
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 1: in a fight. He didn't know he'd been in a fight.

1204
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 1: I'll start saying that to Clay. You can engage in

1205
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: this argument. You might even that was good. That was good. Well,

1206
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:54,799
Speaker 1: I can't wait. Uh, I can't wait for the next episode.

1207
01:11:55,320 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 1: It's gonna be good. No. None. It takes a lot

1208
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: of personal discipline on you, doesn't it. Yeah, it does.

1209
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 1: But when I wear this coon skin cap, I feel

1210
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,719
Speaker 1: like you're you're an oak. I feel like a mighty

1211
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 1: oak tree, giant board coon nestled in his branches, underneath

1212
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: an ozark moon, swaying in the wind. Right to have everyone.

1213
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 1: It looks like a beautiful eighties hair style. One more thing, Okay, um,

1214
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 1: pretty sure December, almost certain, Probably it might be, I'm

1215
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: no for sure. Potentially potentially met season eleven. My episode

1216
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: with the Moose already will be out December four. Cool,

1217
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 1: So listen, let me explain the meat eat watch that. Yeah,

1218
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: and maybe that's a great idea. That's a great idea.

1219
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: It's a good episode. I've seen it. I've named the

1220
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: moose Steve for everyone that doesn't understand this meaty to

1221
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 1: the television show, my friends. Steve Ronella's show was on

1222
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 1: like Sportsman's Channel for a long time, and then the

1223
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 1: last four years it's been on Netflix, and that's where

1224
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: the world was able to watch meat Eater, which is

1225
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 1: really cool. This year, Meteor season eleven is only on

1226
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: It only streams from the meat eater dot com, so

1227
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 1: it's not on Netflix, but it's the same quality. I mean,

1228
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: it's like meat Eater and you just have to pay

1229
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 1: to pay for all you have to do. You got

1230
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 1: you gotta put your email in. Literally, you go to

1231
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: the website, you you click up on videos or shows

1232
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 1: Meteor season eleven, and then it asked you for an email.

1233
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: You put that email in. I mean, heck, you use

1234
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 1: my email just putting Clay dot I'm just kidding. I

1235
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 1: did that today and if I can do it anybody

1236
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: you got on there? Yeah, okay. I had a neighbor

1237
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 1: text me and say, I saw Clay uh squirrel hunting sir,

1238
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 1: you know if he told a little bit about squirrel

1239
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: hunt And I said, well, I'll try to find that.

1240
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 1: I'm it's the one that you did years ago on Netflix.

1241
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 1: Thoughtfix that the Yeah, those will remain on Netflix, so

1242
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 1: you'll still be able to watch media on Netflix, but

1243
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 1: the season eleven is only on the Meteor dot com

1244
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:19,599
Speaker 1: and they've been releasing episodes one per week since about

1245
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 1: like October, and so I think there's eight episodes in

1246
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: season eleven and caught up. I've only watched, like, yeah,

1247
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 1: I was on another one too. I killed that buck

1248
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 1: right there. That's a buck I killed in Nebraska. Um

1249
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: on Jordan's but the skull, oh, the skull beautiful. Yeah.

1250
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: We had a neat hunt in Nebraska. So that and

1251
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: that moose hunt was really it's incredible. Man, Like, I'm

1252
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 1: I'm a moose hunter. Did the show turn out? Well?

1253
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 1: I think it did. Steve, I think Steve one hunt.

1254
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 1: Let me just say that, I'm I'm a big fan.

1255
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 1: I saw your deer hunt where Ranella was with uh

1256
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 1: Jordan's uh huh and by yourself. Yeah that's yeah. Yeah Nebraska.

1257
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 1: I mean that was pretty cool because you're by yourself. Yeah,

1258
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: interpret correctly, Well, I mean I was by myself. I

1259
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:19,680
Speaker 1: mean she probably told you where to go and what

1260
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:23,679
Speaker 1: to do, but well you're at there hunting on your own. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it really wasn't even that great. Um what

1262
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 1: what wasn't fully understood in the episode was that Steve

1263
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 1: was hunting over on this cornfield and I was like

1264
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 1: a mile away from him, but I could see him.

1265
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: It's so flat out there. So I'm watching them, like

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01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,600
Speaker 1: about a mile away, and I'm here. They see a

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01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 1: buck come running by, just out of range but kind

1268
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 1: of in their quadrant. That buck that morning and it

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01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 1: runs into the corn. Well, we meet up for lunch

1270
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, we saw a buck. And I

1271
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 1: saw the buck too, but it was like three quarters

1272
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 1: of a mile away from me, and they go, yeah,

1273
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 1: it's a good bucket ran into the corn. And Steve

1274
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: wanted to go kind of still hunting that evening. He

1275
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 1: wanted to kind of stalk through the river bottoms and uh.

1276
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 1: And I said, well, dude, if if you're not gonna

1277
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:20,640
Speaker 1: sit in that spot, I said, I'll sit in that

1278
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 1: spot because that buck went that corn and he's gonna

1279
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 1: come back out of that corn, That's what I thought.

1280
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: And so Steve abandoned the spot and I went to

1281
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 1: his spot, and sure enough, that buck came out of

1282
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 1: the same same roll of corn he went into. I

1283
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 1: mean just like literally there, he just turned around, he

1284
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 1: backed out. It's like the reverse light Saw backed out

1285
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: of the corn, turned around and jumped the fence and

1286
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:46,640
Speaker 1: put I shot him. And so the whole week that

1287
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 1: was like the first day. And so the whole week,

1288
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,719
Speaker 1: I'm just hanging out in the camp and and Steve

1289
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 1: and Jordan are out there hunting, and I kept saying,

1290
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 1: it should have been your buck, Steve, Steve's buck. I

1291
01:16:57,960 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: killed your buck. I'm sorry, man, I killed your buck.

1292
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: And so you know, that's what we got. That's what

1293
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: he talked about on the episode, was that he was like, Clake,

1294
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 1: help my buck. So it was funny. Steve's a lot

1295
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 1: of fun to hunt worth. He really is bad for

1296
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 1: all the Okay, I'll clear the air too. We're going

1297
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,600
Speaker 1: going deep on social media. You will see me, like

1298
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: if you only knew me from Instagram, you would see

1299
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: me rasing Steve Ronnella and him rasing me. And and

1300
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 1: that's fun. We we enjoyed that. But I mean, Steve

1301
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 1: is a great guy to work for. He truly is

1302
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 1: a great guy to hunt with and a ton of fun.

1303
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 1: So and he's been Steve has been a big mentor

1304
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 1: to me. I mean it kind of goes without saying,

1305
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:48,560
Speaker 1: but in the media space, like when Steve gives me

1306
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 1: input on bear Grease, I listen, I really do. And uh,

1307
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 1: we've we've stayed at their home, he and his wife.

1308
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 1: He's been on one render. Yeah, but not not with

1309
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 1: the real render. That's a good idea. We had to

1310
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 1: get him down here. He's a busy man. He didn't

1311
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 1: even listen to the render. I've been wanting to put

1312
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:12,719
Speaker 1: my application in verbally, but I know he didn't listen

1313
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:18,600
Speaker 1: to it. He listens to the Burgaries podcast. You know,

1314
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 1: we're just nothing. I mean, come on, well, yeah, you

1315
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: know when he's wearing your hat though, Yeah, yeah, true, true,

1316
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 1: what we can say. I was just gonna say I

1317
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 1: think he has listened to some renders because he he

1318
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: remember when he said that brit was real smart, Josh, yeah,

1319
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: nothing about you. Hey, I enjoyed the uh what what

1320
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,640
Speaker 1: do you call it? When you had your coat and

1321
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 1: tie or your coat owning your That was pretty. That

1322
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: was that was a dad. That was like, where did

1323
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 1: this little dirt ball come from? Yeah? How nice and clean?

1324
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 1: Real self conscious about that stuff. Hey, it looked nice, man.

1325
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, that's the only time I've ever looked

1326
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 1: at you and I thought he yess my boy. Right

1327
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 1: there again, what about chopped liver wear, my coon skin hat,

1328
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 1: Damn's overalls right now? Man? No, no, not the way

1329
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:15,600
Speaker 1: I looked. I mean, holds up and look good. No.

1330
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 1: I get I get self conscious about about harassing Steve

1331
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: Rinella because people think I'm serious. Literally, You'll put something

1332
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 1: like that on Instagram and they'll be like, it's such

1333
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 1: a jerk. Man. That's what makes it funnier. I mean,

1334
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, so I started. You would have seen

1335
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: me be start my post with this is satire. I

1336
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: really like Steve Ronella and Carl Malcolm. I'm not really

1337
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 1: belittling them. I think they're great hunters. It's gonna be

1338
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 1: on my Google home feed like claim nwcom Steve Ronilla

1339
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 1: and brutal. Yeah. Yeah. For some reason, that guy that

1340
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 1: got to me when somebody was like, what a arrogant jerk? Yeah,

1341
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 1: I couldn't sleep that night. It's like, man, it was

1342
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 1: supposed to be a joke. He was at all off

1343
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:14,560
Speaker 1: the cuff or did you have that scripted out? Sort of?

1344
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 1: It really is all off the cuff, That's what I thought. See,

1345
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 1: that's you know, you want to I like what you

1346
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 1: were saying about, you know, you want to dig deep

1347
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 1: and look at the science and how people act. A

1348
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 1: lot of times it's just I mean, you just got

1349
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 1: the stuff to do it. You know what I'm saying.

1350
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 1: What we do on those videos is we at Isaac Neil.

1351
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 1: He he films them and makes them and he makes

1352
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 1: them funny. Isaac is great at making them funny. He

1353
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 1: does the edit, and Isaac coaches me too, So like,

1354
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:46,640
Speaker 1: so we'll watch an episode of Meat Eater and I

1355
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 1: will just comment on anything that stands out. So we'll

1356
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: watch the whole thing and I might talk for ten

1357
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 1: minutes and just he'll pick up and he'll go, hey, hey,

1358
01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 1: do that again, but but say it like this, and

1359
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 1: I'll be like, yeah, yeah, that'd be funny. And so,

1360
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, some things we kind of did over but

1361
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,680
Speaker 1: it's kind of just like off the cuff, just kind

1362
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 1: of slinging slinging stuff. But it's it's a fine line

1363
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 1: because you don't want to like, like you could really

1364
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 1: like rip someone a new one, and you don't want

1365
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 1: to do that entirely. You kind of want to hit kidney,

1366
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 1: punched him a few times, but then end on a

1367
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 1: high note because really the episodes are incredible, I mean

1368
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 1: meat eaters, like, are you know for sure one of

1369
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 1: the best outdoor productions ever ever? And so you know

1370
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: here I am making fun of it, which is the

1371
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 1: humor of it. Yeah, exactly. Steve Nnell is a way

1372
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 1: better hunter than you, I mean for sure and western hunting.

1373
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 1: You get him back here in these mountains in Arkansas.

1374
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:51,679
Speaker 1: After they did walk up in here with this twenty

1375
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 1: two though, I thought that was impressive. Ask him how

1376
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: many these girls he killed? Sometimes when we got places,

1377
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,600
Speaker 1: there's a thing in our family there's a belief that

1378
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 1: I don't know how to leave, Like I can't get

1379
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 1: out of a conversation if so we go, like we

1380
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 1: go to church or we go wherever, and the kids

1381
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 1: are like all wait in the car playing the kids.

1382
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,640
Speaker 1: So they've coached me on how to leave a conversation.

1383
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 1: I feel like the end of this Baras podcast is

1384
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 1: sort of like we're not really quite sure how to leave. Yeah,

1385
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: I have an idea I have how we can leave. Well,

1386
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: we started to scold that squirrel dog for barking. We

1387
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 1: started go ahead, we started talking about the spray and uh,

1388
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 1: when this is my first time on the on the render.

1389
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,639
Speaker 1: When I came in my the first thing you did

1390
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 1: was turn and spray the room, and I was like, wow,

1391
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 1: this is a big deal. It's got all right. This

1392
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: is the bargrease render sense if you if you were

1393
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 1: in a very hat and want to have a great time,

1394
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 1: get a little bit of that in your house and

1395
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:07,599
Speaker 1: all of a sudden something that'll make it better. If

1396
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 1: this chair would break right now, I have the whole

1397
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 1: time I've been saying, don't make that a talking point

1398
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 1: by your phone on your butt. Well, Ben, thanks for

1399
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 1: coming man. Thanks, you're gonna have you back on. We

1400
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 1: we gotta have Jessica on here sometime, bet because she's

1401
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: a bear hunting eggs blur and a child birthday. That's right,

1402
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 1: all right, Thanks guys,