Speaker 1: The purpose of my life at that point in time
Speaker 1: was to experiment and do it as madly and crazily
Speaker 1: as possible without any limits. And welcome to another asy confidential.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Eugene S. Robinson. And today we got
Speaker 1: something special. We got a multi linguist that we could
Speaker 1: do this interview in in Swedish. We could do that
Speaker 1: in German, could do it English. I think we'll default
Speaker 1: to English. Uh. Former beauty queen, former Swedish royal tractor
Speaker 1: down outside of Stockholm, in a town called es Caltoona Worldwide,
Speaker 1: Nietzsche scholar. I'm not finished that I mentioned the Swedish
Speaker 1: royal partner beauty queen, but I think I did that.
Speaker 1: I mentioned the pH d and the workwo on Nietzsche.
Speaker 1: Did I mention that? Or the professorial gig at a
Speaker 1: Tony East Coast University? But then things got strange stranger.
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna let her tell it. Let's call
Speaker 1: her up. See what she has to say, Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: One Ms Josephine, knock off, Hello Josephine. Okay, you you
Speaker 1: get here of me? So we we are six thousand
Speaker 1: miles away. Now now where were you exactly give us
Speaker 1: give us a location, like where are you physically in
Speaker 1: time and space? I am located about the same um
Speaker 1: latitude as anchored Alaska, Stockholm, a little bit um east there.
Speaker 1: So I mispronounced I mispronounced it terribly. I pronounced it
Speaker 1: eskil Tuna. Is that wrong? Where I put the I
Speaker 1: put the emphasis in the wrong place? What does it
Speaker 1: say it again? And town town? I would have I
Speaker 1: would have assumed it had something to do with canned fish. Alright, alright,
Speaker 1: so all right, so let's back up a bit. Let's
Speaker 1: let's look. I gave you an intro, so you got
Speaker 1: you So you got the rocket ride through Stanford. You
Speaker 1: end up getting the PhD from was it University of Pennsylvania?
Speaker 1: That I have that right? So now after you get
Speaker 1: the PhD, I don't know, not having a PhD myself,
Speaker 1: I don't Is it like the army? You go where
Speaker 1: they they? You know, when you get an assignment as
Speaker 1: a tenured how does it? How does it work? Academically speaking?
Speaker 1: So you got your PhD, you're in the University of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: You have to pick where you go next today? Pick
Speaker 1: you do you pick them? How did it happen. Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that I do not pick anybody. They picked made. We
Speaker 1: go to the a p A convention American Philosophical Association,
Speaker 1: and it's like a horror house. I mean, I have
Speaker 1: people just walking around prosecuting themselves and getting interviews, and
Speaker 1: I did you know, a few interviews and wake Forest
Speaker 1: was the one that went really well. I did have
Speaker 1: a few other good interviews too, but they're the ones
Speaker 1: who finally ended up offering me a job of the
Speaker 1: system considered philosophy. And I was going to be there
Speaker 1: content scholar because Emmanuel Kant was the philosopher that I did.
Speaker 1: I PhD in his ethics, you know, the categorical imperative
Speaker 1: and act only in such a way that you can
Speaker 1: make your maximum into universal law. That's what he stamous for.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've read Kant, how don't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have. But now I got this confused. I think
Speaker 1: that the Namas book threw me off because I assumed
Speaker 1: that it was Nietzsche. No, no, I loved me too too,
Speaker 1: I mean I did. I fell a most FLOSSI in Stanford,
Speaker 1: and I got attracted to the University of Pennsylvania as
Speaker 1: my grad school because partly because of Namas, you know,
Speaker 1: I did faull Is hard. I fell hard in love
Speaker 1: with Nietzsche when I was eighteen, and it was just like,
Speaker 1: oh this is it just broke the shackles of all
Speaker 1: the whole political correct and stuff that was going on
Speaker 1: back then. Three um. But then I found love with
Speaker 1: Kant too. I mean, I love philosophy and the university.
Speaker 1: University of Pennsylvania, Uh, Ploss department had both a con scholar,
Speaker 1: Paul Guyer, who ended up being my advisor, and Nahamas
Speaker 1: before he went over to Princeton. And when he did
Speaker 1: move to Princeton, there's like a whole camp of us,
Speaker 1: you know, trusty philosophy students driving over to Princeton every
Speaker 1: week too to go to his classes. They're ready to
Speaker 1: take take some classes with mammas too. He's a charismatic man.
Speaker 1: So so it was Hitler, But I don't know why
Speaker 1: I said that. It seemed appropriate. Uh So, okay, so
Speaker 1: you end up in North Carolina, which is where wake
Speaker 1: Forest is, right, so you've got for Sweden to California
Speaker 1: to North Carolina. That seems like a sort of culture mismatch,
Speaker 1: but it could just be my northern bias, right. I
Speaker 1: am used to moving. I am being moving human being.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't a big deal for me to move.
Speaker 1: But going to North Carolina was actually sort of traumatizing
Speaker 1: because of the strong religious element and the fact that
Speaker 1: Wimston Salem were really small town and I stood out
Speaker 1: like a sore thumb I did. I mean, not not
Speaker 1: in a bad way, but they they did pay attention
Speaker 1: to me. I'm not going to start looking like a
Speaker 1: becret carry just because I live in with the Salem
Speaker 1: you know. I had my bron Madonna Harridu and my
Speaker 1: little mini skirts, and I taught philosophy and I go
Speaker 1: in to restaurant and be like, oh, you're the new
Speaker 1: philosophy professor at Wimson. How do you guys even know me?
Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself, it made me very uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: but it was a small town and I did receive me, well,
Speaker 1: they really did. That seems that seems to me to
Speaker 1: be a sort of a function of fame, right, Like,
Speaker 1: so you were I mean, was it you were uncomfortable
Speaker 1: with the notice? It's seems like it would have been pleasing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I wasn't. After fame at that point
Speaker 1: in my life. I was into um intellectual you know,
Speaker 1: a scholarly academic thing. I was not into people recognizing
Speaker 1: me wherever I went. You were there for how long?
Speaker 1: So you moved there. It's kind of traumatizing. But you're
Speaker 1: adjusting or you're not adjusting, or what happens. I did
Speaker 1: enjoy teaching, I really did, and I got used to,
Speaker 1: you know, making a good name for myself, and the
Speaker 1: students loved me, and I was a good teacher and
Speaker 1: a faculty received really well. So it sounds it sounds
Speaker 1: like a pretty good deal. Oh, a totally good deal.
Speaker 1: It was such a great deal. And if I hadn't,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's not really a matter of where
Speaker 1: where I was, I would have probably he felt empty
Speaker 1: and in need of something more anywhere in the world.
Speaker 1: No external, uh context could have cured my inner need.
Speaker 1: So what was going on? What was going on? I
Speaker 1: had this in a yearning for meaning. I met a
Speaker 1: bartender who was connected to the cocaine scene. Because when
Speaker 1: the Salem was like, if you make a bee line
Speaker 1: from Florida up to New York, Winston sounds pretty much
Speaker 1: in the middle. So the cocaine shipments they were pretty clean,
Speaker 1: you know. When they got to Winston and through him,
Speaker 1: I started doing cocaine and it was there was a
Speaker 1: good ship. And we only did it in the weekends.
Speaker 1: And then he got back to his job and I
Speaker 1: have my job during the week but I only had
Speaker 1: to work like a whole of six hours a week,
Speaker 1: but a lot of free time on my hands. And
Speaker 1: I did have a lot of money because my job,
Speaker 1: it was very well paid. I was expected to do research.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I have a quick mind. I did
Speaker 1: manage to do the research and teaching and a lot
Speaker 1: of cocaine. So it became kind of twenty four seven
Speaker 1: kind of activity for me. You were teaching, so you
Speaker 1: were functioning, right, you were showing up. I mean yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And that was into my what was it, second or
Speaker 1: third year teaching. It's a blur, but I did. I
Speaker 1: did start doing cocaine and teaching successfully. And I know
Speaker 1: they hate me um for this. Uh, they are really
Speaker 1: mad at me the university for stilling the beans in
Speaker 1: this way. But I did function and I did really well,
Speaker 1: and the stinks loved me. And I am so then
Speaker 1: what what what what happened? How did this? I mean
Speaker 1: it's it sounds. It sounds to me like that's a
Speaker 1: prescription for success. I mean, not the one that everybody
Speaker 1: should use. But you're teaching students. Love you, You're there,
Speaker 1: You've made a home in whit and Salem. What's the problem.
Speaker 1: The problem became me. I couldn't just snort, you know,
Speaker 1: dofy lines and out of my little baggy with my
Speaker 1: key bomp you. I don't know. I had that little
Speaker 1: baggy straw in the ladies room before class. That wasn't enough.
Speaker 1: I turned to crack and that became a lot harder
Speaker 1: to do in the women's room, but I still managed
Speaker 1: to do to smoke crack and teaching. Um. Bizarrely enough,
Speaker 1: you didn't you would you would you go to your
Speaker 1: car or your office to smoke or where would you go?
Speaker 1: I know I didn't. I wasn't. I wasn't ever, you know,
Speaker 1: because people have these illusions about crack addiction where it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you have to have it, you have to
Speaker 1: have it, like every half hour you go Brasil. It's
Speaker 1: not heroin. I mean heroin, that's what you know. You
Speaker 1: do your picks to get well crack you do it too.
Speaker 1: You know, have fun or to feel attentive and alert,
Speaker 1: and I was able to stay alert. You know, my
Speaker 1: problem was my nerves I had. I've always been high
Speaker 1: strung and sensitive, hyper sensitive, and the crack made me
Speaker 1: kind of relax. But when I had to go to teach,
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't wake up and smoke crack. I
Speaker 1: woke up and we went to class and taught, and
Speaker 1: then I came home and smoke my crack. So it
Speaker 1: was crack. Is it's not a heroine or it's not
Speaker 1: it's not physical drugs, it's psychological. And I do not
Speaker 1: regret for one second my drug addition. I don't why not?
Speaker 1: Why not? I do not. It was a trip into
Speaker 1: the underworld that my soul because I do believe in
Speaker 1: the soul. Now now that I don't do analytic philosophy,
Speaker 1: I gets to believe in the soul. I don't have
Speaker 1: to be a materialist and empursist anymore. Um, my soul
Speaker 1: had this deeper calling and I was pulled into this
Speaker 1: exploratory thing, like I crossed the river sticks and went
Speaker 1: down into the underworld, and I stayed there for a
Speaker 1: few years while teaching. So so do you think that
Speaker 1: people you worked with had any sense at all or
Speaker 1: are none. I have been caught with a d U
Speaker 1: I like a half a year earlier, and they found
Speaker 1: you know, maybe graham of shake like that I had
Speaker 1: just forgotten in my purse because it was really shitty
Speaker 1: weed and it was there. But that was the only
Speaker 1: drug charge I ever had. And I actually told the
Speaker 1: faculty about that and they're like, oh, it's all good.
Speaker 1: But then when this person called and snitched me out,
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, cocaine. And so then they made me
Speaker 1: they gave me a drug test. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I really probably if I had known my
Speaker 1: citizens rights, I probably wouldn't have taken it. Oh, but yeah,
Speaker 1: whatever I did, I did, and and I did test
Speaker 1: positive positive after uh ten days of not doing any karak.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, no, I have to be I
Speaker 1: should be clean, definitely clean by now. But the um
Speaker 1: the drug tests are a lot more accurate when you're
Speaker 1: dealing with that kind of level of employer. Okay, so
Speaker 1: they find they find for sure that you're taking cocaine,
Speaker 1: and and what's their move at that point? Oh well
Speaker 1: then then the deans just like you know, you have
Speaker 1: a choice either resign or we fire you. So I
Speaker 1: resigned because that was technically better for me. I think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got the benefits. I got a year actually of
Speaker 1: almost a year of severance pay, and I had already
Speaker 1: been denied saying here, So the the actual amount of
Speaker 1: months that I was not without paid was insignificant. Not insignificant,
Speaker 1: it was I did lose very little money from being fired,
Speaker 1: but the honor and the shame has stuck with me
Speaker 1: like a huge stigmas, Like I am walking around still
Speaker 1: with this this letter on my foreheads like former cocaine
Speaker 1: at it and it's Exactually, even now as a social author,
Speaker 1: I am scared of using my name knockoffs, which I
Speaker 1: just I changed it back from my former husband my
Speaker 1: exposing with them back. Can I have that as like
Speaker 1: a cover name? I was like, oh yeah, they can't
Speaker 1: google me and find out about my horrible history. Stay
Speaker 1: tuned for more of Ozzy Confidential, where a smart people go.
Speaker 1: So if you resign, the next step, what did the
Speaker 1: next step be that you try to get another philosophy job,
Speaker 1: or or at the very least get get the hell
Speaker 1: out of Winston Salem, Like why would you stay there?
Speaker 1: I stayed there. Yeah, I was told to stop teaching
Speaker 1: UH in May, and then I went to my first rehab,
Speaker 1: which didn't work. You know, a good thing about wake
Speaker 1: Forest has they gave me the health insurance, but kept
Speaker 1: me in Winston with the health insurance because getting clean
Speaker 1: is not easy in the USA. You know, here in
Speaker 1: Sweden the state pays it. But there, you know, you
Speaker 1: have to be rich, you have to have a job
Speaker 1: to even get clean. I feel really sorry for people
Speaker 1: we're on drugs and do not have any kind of
Speaker 1: insurance that way. But I did go to that rehab
Speaker 1: and it worked. But I did meet a guy that
Speaker 1: I kept in touch with, and he um. He went
Speaker 1: to his sober living environment in Charlotte, and I went
Speaker 1: back to Winston, and I was queen and I was
Speaker 1: like al Pachi for a while. And yeah, then Phil,
Speaker 1: the guy from the rehab that I had that went
Speaker 1: to Charlotte. He relapsed and got kicked out of his
Speaker 1: sl E silver living environment and he's like, oh joke,
Speaker 1: thinking can I come live with you? I was like yeah,
Speaker 1: because I can't say no. I mean, I cannot say
Speaker 1: no to somebody in need. And so he came and
Speaker 1: lived with me and of course, then the drug abuse started,
Speaker 1: name too, addicts in one house. We're not going to
Speaker 1: stay clean off each other, seriously but not. And so
Speaker 1: we started actually, yeah, we started shooting cocaine. He was
Speaker 1: a diabetic and he got free needles, and so that
Speaker 1: was like yet another step down smoking craft down the
Speaker 1: shooting cocaine. What's the difference in the experience, Oh my god. Um, well,
Speaker 1: if you want to know from snorting down to smoking
Speaker 1: or smoking down to shooting, you shooting, well you you went.
Speaker 1: You went from smoking to shooting. Yeah, shooting as you're
Speaker 1: completely at peace and all your senses are vibrant and
Speaker 1: the auditory hallucinations are amazing and you're just like lying
Speaker 1: there smiling and everything feels so good. I think that's
Speaker 1: the closest probably do what you know, David Bowie was
Speaker 1: like talking about with heroin or something. Now I think
Speaker 1: I think I think cocaine was this thing as well,
Speaker 1: during the the Thin White Duke era. I think it
Speaker 1: was cocaine. So now, now how are you So now
Speaker 1: two of you guys are living there and went some
Speaker 1: So how are you making money? Because we need neither
Speaker 1: one of you were working at this point, right, But
Speaker 1: I still had my pay That's that's the great thing
Speaker 1: about lakes for Oh my god, I'm so sorry you guys,
Speaker 1: my my philosophy department people. I'm not gonna call you
Speaker 1: by any names, but you I expounded my coke cabin.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I did. I did have that paycheck,
Speaker 1: oh again, up until March. So I went from June
Speaker 1: to March on a full paycheck, and I practically shot
Speaker 1: up the cocaine. I shot it up until the money
Speaker 1: ran out. Okay, oh no, I'm not supposed to laugh.
Speaker 1: This very tragic. Uh well, what is supposed to be
Speaker 1: and what it is it could be very different things.
Speaker 1: So what happens when the money runs out? You know,
Speaker 1: I had done my share of prostitution for really shitty pay.
Speaker 1: When when as part in Carcel of being a female
Speaker 1: drug addict, Eugene, you uh put it out or you
Speaker 1: don't get your drugs at least if ye're um as
Speaker 1: gullidal as I was. I mean, I had. I had
Speaker 1: a few girlfriends who I know. I'm not even I'm
Speaker 1: not going to get involved in their sex lives or
Speaker 1: what they did with dealers. But for me, the dealers
Speaker 1: they expected to you know, get a blow job at
Speaker 1: least before they could even sell me any drugs. So
Speaker 1: the money is run out, you go through hooker stripper, Uh,
Speaker 1: you go, you go through, and then where do you
Speaker 1: end up? Well, then I was like, no, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to do that because I believe that my co
Speaker 1: addiction was partly maybe six addiction, and I'm not ashamed
Speaker 1: of that. I don't regret it, you know, for me,
Speaker 1: if I had, I never considered myself a prostitute. That's
Speaker 1: the bizarre thing about the term prostitution. I um, apparently, okay,
Speaker 1: this is how I have come to see this. I
Speaker 1: felt so ashamed about doing drugs that obviously clearly I
Speaker 1: had to do all kinds of demeaning things with my
Speaker 1: own body in order to get drugs. And who would
Speaker 1: I have been to uh expect anything in return, because
Speaker 1: I am just addict and a whore and a female.
Speaker 1: So Josephine ends up and a better rehab, a nicer one,
Speaker 1: a better fit day program, and she emerges from it clean.
Speaker 1: But what we don't know is it Phil, the guy
Speaker 1: that she's been shooting up within North Carolina, had somehow
Speaker 1: put together the wherewithal to follow her three thousand miles
Speaker 1: and is there when she gets out. So the first
Speaker 1: thing we do and I got out of rehab was
Speaker 1: get a six pack of bed Wiser and sit there
Speaker 1: at the boardwalk and look out at the ocean and
Speaker 1: drink our beers and then uh, oh, I really have
Speaker 1: to go into this. Yes, he got jealous. I mean
Speaker 1: he was an ugly drunk. I was not, you know,
Speaker 1: and so he at one one night that her he
Speaker 1: got jealous. He thought that I was flirting with a guy,
Speaker 1: and he just grabbed my head like there's a potato
Speaker 1: so I can slam me up against them marble pillar, uh,
Speaker 1: very edge edge, and my skull cracked up as like
Speaker 1: there's blood all over the pavement and I've kind of
Speaker 1: like standing there's blood dripping everywhere. And then the ambulances
Speaker 1: were there and the cops and I end up getting
Speaker 1: like sixteen staples in my head and I hear them
Speaker 1: rolling him in at the R two. He's like, I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. I was like, I only wanted to say,
Speaker 1: is you are you are forgiven? But I didn't have
Speaker 1: the energy to say anything. And the cops, while they
Speaker 1: were interviewing me there at the at the hospital, bed,
Speaker 1: there's like, this is the ugliest domestic violence. Incidentally, every
Speaker 1: scene there was so much blood. So yeah, and a
Speaker 1: few weeks later, I don't know now it's a few
Speaker 1: months later. I mean I got into a new s
Speaker 1: m E. Phil got into his other fly and I
Speaker 1: stay clean. He did not. He started shooting heroin and
Speaker 1: suddenly he died of an overdose. And I just fell
Speaker 1: to the floor what they called me in the morning,
Speaker 1: crying and and it was very glad, kind of was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's what drugs can can do to a person.
Speaker 1: How old was he? He was about forty two, So
Speaker 1: was this was this this like in movie terms, this
Speaker 1: would have served kind of as a as a wake
Speaker 1: up call for you change your ways? I mean in
Speaker 1: movie terms, is that what happened in real life? For yeah,
Speaker 1: it did. That's right, it did. It totally did. That's right.
Speaker 1: It made me just be like, okay, even though heroin
Speaker 1: was my druging choice, and I know he drank heroin,
Speaker 1: he drank a lot of vodka and combined it with heroin,
Speaker 1: which will kill a person. Uh like relaxed saying on
Speaker 1: cocaine was not even you know, in my list of
Speaker 1: choices by that because I didn't want to go I
Speaker 1: didn't want to go there. And then and then kept
Speaker 1: going to a m and started study feeling strongly in
Speaker 1: by itself. And Yeah, happy, I started being happy. I
Speaker 1: could be happy, which is something I haven't been like
Speaker 1: genuinely for a long time. So that sounds good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: happiness is a real tricky thing. So you're clean, You're
Speaker 1: feeling happy. Um, this sounds like a good thing. It
Speaker 1: sounds like a positive, super healthy development. You're clean. There's
Speaker 1: a clarity. Um right, things continue to get better from
Speaker 1: there or or or not. Yeah. I was loving life.
Speaker 1: I was living in a beautiful s l e up
Speaker 1: in Santa CA's mountains. And yeah, and then I fell
Speaker 1: in love with the father of my oldest daughter. Take
Speaker 1: a mutual friend introduced us, and we started to hang out,
Speaker 1: you know, very innocently in the beginning, just like doing
Speaker 1: bike rides and sunset like along the coastline. That's very
Speaker 1: romantic at the beginning, very romantic. And it was pt
Speaker 1: keen for a while. He uh was HIV positive, however,
Speaker 1: and I kept on pretending like I was commune to HIV,
Speaker 1: which I don't know if I am but I believed
Speaker 1: I was so that would give me an excuse for
Speaker 1: uh having undepicted sex with Jake, because Jake was afraid
Speaker 1: that I would break up with him because of this obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, who wants to keep an HIV
Speaker 1: positive boyfriend? But I did. I was like, I'm in
Speaker 1: love with you. I'm in love with you. For me,
Speaker 1: life is about taking risk. You have no idea what's
Speaker 1: going to happen. But I've always taken risks. I am
Speaker 1: a huge risk taker. You unburden him essentially, you say
Speaker 1: I love you. Uh, you know, probably wish you could
Speaker 1: have told me sooner, or maybe you said something like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you get you get by it right.
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about holding him accountable. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I did not even go there. There's something and like
Speaker 1: some conviction in my soul. That's all I can explain
Speaker 1: it through. My soul is just like you are you.
Speaker 1: You cannot be hurt, you cannot be harmed. Do it.
Speaker 1: Call it what you so you will, you know, you
Speaker 1: can call it crazy, drug hounding, feending. But there was
Speaker 1: this crazy pull of my soul just being like it's
Speaker 1: okay to do this and so I have a theory
Speaker 1: about why I did all this drug sex, high risk taking.
Speaker 1: It was my life mission is the purpose of my
Speaker 1: life at that point in time, was to experiment and
Speaker 1: do it as madly and crazily as possible without any limits.
Speaker 1: And I did it, and I came through. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to advise anybody else to do it, but for me,
Speaker 1: I'm you know, thanking God, right, I'm thanking good. I
Speaker 1: on my angels and guys that they enough contact to
Speaker 1: me to help me feel secure, because at no point
Speaker 1: was like handnaked about that but so bizarre, right like
Speaker 1: nor a people be like, oh what the fuck? I never?
Speaker 1: I never was so so now bringing us up to present,
Speaker 1: you are you're living in I'm gonna mispronounce this escatoona
Speaker 1: yes and uh and the happy mother of two kids.
Speaker 1: Things seem to be okay, right, Oh they are so
Speaker 1: well all right, and they are like they are brilliant, sensitive,
Speaker 1: artistic and so. And then when you got back to Sweden,
Speaker 1: Jake was with you or no, I left Jake. I left,
Speaker 1: Jake was stilfi in my belly. I left, I left
Speaker 1: with the child in my stomach in order to give
Speaker 1: birth to her here in Sweden and have full custody.
Speaker 1: I do not do romance very well, so at this
Speaker 1: point I'm pretty happy being single. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: my heart is open and yeah, I look good anyway.
Speaker 1: Let me guess you got a few other questions, all right,
Speaker 1: in short order, let's go through them. One. Josephine apparently
Speaker 1: is not HIV positive. Unbeknownst to me, I never heard
Speaker 1: it before. Swedes, because of how smallpox had ravaged the
Speaker 1: country hundreds of years earlier, have a genetic uh disposition
Speaker 1: to be HIV resistant. Who knew you could look it up?
Speaker 1: It's there. The father of her first child has actually
Speaker 1: met his daughter. The father of the second daughter, who
Speaker 1: lives in Sweden as well, is involved in his daughter's life.
Speaker 1: And Josephine herself, despite having the PhD and philosophy, is
Speaker 1: working towards completing a master's that will allow her to
Speaker 1: start a business that helps low income single mothers in Sweden.
Speaker 1: Now there's your hall mock ending. Yeah. Next up on
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