1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Truth with Lisa Booth. So, what 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: does the future of the Republican Party look like after 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's presidency? What does the future of the country 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: look like. I'm going to get those answers for you 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: from the former Speaker of the House, Nuke Ingrich. He's 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: also the author of the book Beyond Biden, where he 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: charts the path forward for us. He's a historian, he's 8 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: also a former professor as well. You know, we look 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: around right now in the future seems pretty parallels. It 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: seems bleak. There's a lot to be concerned with, but 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: Speaker Gingrich says, to not lose hope. You know, this 12 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: is a man who wrote the Contract with America, where 13 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: he outlined to voters what a Republican majority would do 14 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety four. It was a bold move, and 15 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: voters rewarded him with the Republican majority in both the 16 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: House and the Senate. I'm really looking forward to getting 17 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: his wisdom and his perspective on where we are now 18 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: and what the future holds. It's going to be a 19 00:00:54,720 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: great show with a great guy. Stay tuned. So I 20 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: am really excited about having this next guest on the 21 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: show because you know, right now, everything seems pretty perilous, 22 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: it seems pretty daunting. So I am looking forward to 23 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: having this conversation with Speaker Nuke Ingridge, who is a 24 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: student of history, a lover of history, former Speaker of 25 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: the House, someone to offer us some wisdom and reflection 26 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: about where we are now comparatively speaking to before. He's 27 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: also the author of the book Beyond Biden. Speaker, it 28 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: is an honor to have you on the show. Well, listen, 29 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: it's great to be with you, and you've been doing 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: such an amazing job hosting your programming. But you've done 31 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: that with everything you've done in life. So I thought 32 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: this would be a very challenging and exciting experience because 33 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: I know both how smart you are and how much 34 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: energy you have, and I look forward to it, and 35 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: I think in a sense, Beyond Biden is really directed 36 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: to your generation and young people even than you. Like 37 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: my grandchildren to say, hey, you know, we can rebuild 38 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: this country. You know, never never, as Churchill once, they'd 39 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: never give up. So I'm delighted to have a chance 40 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: to talk about where we're going to be once Biden 41 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: disappears into history, and so where will we be I mean, 42 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: looking beyond Biden. You know what does that look like? Well, 43 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: I think it a funny kind of way. By being 44 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: so militant and so aggressive, the big government socialists have 45 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: actually created an environment where the average American has been 46 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: forced to think about what do they really believe? And 47 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: the result has been there shocked to discover they're really 48 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: much more conservative than they thought they were. And that 49 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: particularly conserving the sense that they don't want a giantic 50 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: federal government. They don't want inflation, they don't want big 51 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: bureaucracies dictating their lives. They don't want politicians being hypocrites 52 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: and setting up one set of rules for the average 53 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: person a different set of rules for the powerful. And 54 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: so in a way, the conversation we're having as a 55 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: country is really clarifying who we are and what I 56 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: think will turn out to be very positive. At the 57 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: same time, when you look, for example, at the states 58 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: that have Republican governors who are applying common sense, things 59 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: are working. The schools are better, the roads are better, 60 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: the jobs are better. If you look at the I 61 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: think of the top ten states in employment, all ten 62 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: have Republican governors and nine have Republican state legislatures, and 63 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: they're just they're applying a different set of rules than 64 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: say California or Illinois or New York, all of which 65 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: are dominated by the unions and by politicians and by 66 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: people who believe in big government bureaucracy, and all of 67 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: which are in that sense falling behind. Do you think 68 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: American or enough Americans are awake to that, To what 69 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: you just laid out, well, the Pauling date is pretty devastating. 70 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: I mean, when if you ask people do you think 71 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: this is working, you get an overwhelming no. If you 72 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: ask people do you favor big government socialism, the biggest 73 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: number we've gotten is eighteen percent, and Rasmussen pretty well 74 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: tracks the same thing. So when people think about it, 75 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: given what's happening, particularly in Washington, but also in Sacramento, 76 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: in Albany and Springfield, people are saying no, that that's 77 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: not what they want. And I think that's going to 78 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: have in two twenty two and twenty twenty four almost 79 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: a tsunami. In fact, in one of my newsletters, which 80 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: I do three a week at Kingligh Street, sixty that 81 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: are free, and one of them was on the coming 82 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: tsunami because I think it's going to be bigger than 83 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: a tide. I think that the rejection is going to 84 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: be breathtaking, and the number of people left wing Democrats 85 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: who lose their seats is going to be far more 86 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: than anybody in Washington thinks today. But do you think 87 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: Democrats will allow for that? Because what we have seen 88 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: with the left is a changing of the rules. You know, 89 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: if they if things aren't going their way, they change 90 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: the rules. We saw this before the twenty twenty election, 91 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: using the pandemic, using COVID to lean on mail and ballots. 92 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: We've seen this with them trying to push forward with nationalizing, 93 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: federalizing or elections. I mean, what do you think we 94 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: can expect from them on that front? Well, I think 95 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: to the degree they can cheat, they will. I mean, 96 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: it's no accident that the New York City Council is 97 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: talking about letting eight hundred thousand people who are here 98 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: illegally vote in New York City elections. I think there's 99 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: a real sense on the left that if the election 100 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: is limited to legal American citizens, that they're in real trouble. 101 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: So they both try to vote people who are not 102 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: alive or people who don't exist, or people who vote 103 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: multiple times, and they try to find ways to widen 104 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: to people who are not legally American. You know, you 105 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: had things like I think it was Wisconsin. The Service 106 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: Employees Union had a nursing home where they provided all 107 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: the workers, and the workers were going around the people 108 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: who had Alzheimer's and other challenges and getting them to vote, 109 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: even though it was clear they had no idea who 110 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: they were voting for. And so those particular unionized workers 111 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: were able in effect to vote ten or twenty or 112 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: thirty times by getting people who were technically available. But 113 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: it's very different. If if your relative comes in to 114 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: see you, and your relative knows what you believe, there's 115 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: at least some grounds for having you vote. But if 116 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: somebody comes in who knows that they want to elect 117 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: a big government, the Democrat, and that they're going to 118 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: exploit you because you now cognitively don't know you're doing, 119 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: there's something profoundly wrong with that. And that's what was 120 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: happening in that particular nursing home in Wisconsin, and of 121 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: course in places like California, they were just making up 122 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: the ballots. I mean, there's no question that they were 123 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: stuffing One of the great breakthroughs in the Virginia governor's 124 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: race was they somehow and I don't know how they 125 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: did this, but they somehow got the Democratic governor and 126 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: the Democratic Secretary of State to agree that they would 127 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: count all of the mail in ballots and all of 128 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: the absentee ballots before they counted the people who voted 129 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: an election day. And the reason that mattered was evant 130 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: if you were suddenly losing that you were not in 131 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: a position to go back out and manufacture additional ballots 132 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: because you've already voted them all. Had that happened, for example, 133 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: in Minnesota a few years back, we would have re 134 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: elected the Republican senator who was ahead on election night 135 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: until magically, early in the morning, somebody down two precincts 136 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: in the trunk of a car, and those two precincts 137 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: happened to be overwhelmingly Democrat, and they happen to show 138 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: up at just the right moment, and so the Democrat 139 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: won by a really narrow margin. Well, what they did 140 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: in Virginia blocked all that sort of game playing, and 141 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: I think you'll see more and more states insisting on 142 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: honest elections. And when we do polls, eighty five or 143 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: eighty seven percent of the American people want you to 144 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: show your identity, want you to prove you are who 145 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: you are. Once it restricted only to legal American citizens, 146 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: So I think even there it's getting harder and harder 147 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: for the left to cheat. Well. I definitely think that 148 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: twenty twenty election woke a lot of Americans up in 149 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: that regard of just saying, hey, look is this fairer? 150 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: What are we doing? You know, what can we do 151 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: to sort of safeguard or elections? You know, sir? It's 152 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: one of those things that you look at today's dynamics 153 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: with politics right, and there used to be conservatives who 154 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: would say, oh, the lefts evil, and I used to 155 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: be like, no, you know, we have political differences. But 156 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: now it's like, you look at what they did to Kavanaugh. 157 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: You look at what they tried doing to Kyle Rittenhouse. 158 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: It's there seems to be a different dynamic at play 159 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 1: where it's not just simple political disagreements. The left wants 160 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: to destroy the lives of their political opponents. Is that new? 161 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: I think the depth of the bitterness is new. I think, 162 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: you know, we have it's kind of ironic the very 163 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: people who worried about communists being smeared in the nineteen 164 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: fifties now enthusiastically run around smearing people. But there's always 165 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: been a certain amount of that kind of toughness in 166 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: American politics, but it's gone to a new level of 167 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: not just attacking you, but attacking your family, almost trying 168 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: to make it too painful for decent people to be 169 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: involved in public life, basically saying no, you do this, 170 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: and your whole family is going to pay a huge 171 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: penalty psychologically. And I think that it's tragic that they 172 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: have that kind of attitude. So I would say that 173 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: we are in our time when the bitterness of the left, 174 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: the degree to which they dislike America, the degree to 175 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: which they think that the average American is beneath contempted. 176 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: It's it's the whole Hillary Clinton attitude. It's the incorrigibles. 177 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: It said, as somebody one Democrats said, those people who 178 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: smell like they went to Walmart, you know, which that happens, 179 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: by the way, to have almost every American go to 180 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: it at least once a year. But it's just this 181 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: whole contempt for normal people. And part of what it's 182 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: done is it's driven everyday working Democrats out of the 183 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: Democratic Party. I mean, the steady stream, whether you're Hispanic 184 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: or black, or white or Asian American, the steady stream 185 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 1: away from big government, socialism and away from left wing 186 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: Democrats is amazing. It's why we won a special election 187 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: in San Antonio for a state legislative seat. It was 188 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: a district that was seventy three percent Hispanic, but in 189 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: fact we were carrying Hispanics. And as it's one of 190 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: the great ironies, the left has always counted on what 191 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: they would have thought of as people of color. Well, 192 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: it turns out that people of color aren't stupid, and 193 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: that people of color are increasingly voting against high tax's, 194 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: big bureaucracy, and radical social programs. Well, and that was 195 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: actually one of the things I wanted to ask you about, 196 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: because to your point, we've seen this realignment happen, particularly 197 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: under Trump, of this diverse Republican party that represents the 198 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: working class, Democrats had become the party of the coastal elites. 199 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: Was that just President Trump? Or how did that realignment happen? 200 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: You know what's behind that? Well, it'd have been building 201 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: for a long time. I found in preparing to think 202 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: about the next few years, that it was very helpful 203 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: to go back and reread at our whites Making of 204 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: the President in nineteen sixty eight and Making of the 205 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: President in nineteen seventy two, and in sixty eight White 206 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: talks at length, both about the revolutionary mood. Remember you 207 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: wouldn't because you're too young, but so I'll tell you. 208 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty nine we had twenty five hundred bombings 209 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: or nineteen seventy two thousand and five hundred in the 210 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: United States. We had a scientist at the University of 211 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: Wisconsin killed by a bomb. We had a historian at 212 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: Columbia University have his life's work destroyed by a mob. 213 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: I mean, we were very close to the left going crazy. 214 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: And in fact, the current prosecutor, who was actually a 215 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: non prosecutor in San Francisco as a communist, his father 216 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: is still in prison with a life sentence for having 217 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: killed a Brinx guard truck, and the guy who guarded 218 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: the truck and his wife spent years in prison, leading 219 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: his son to be anti prison as opposed to anti 220 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: killing brink Garden. But that was a robbery to fund 221 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: the revolution of sort of an imitation of Joseph Stalin's 222 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: early years in robbing banks to fund the Communist Party 223 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: in Russia, and we've forgotten how much that was in 224 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two or another. In the sixty eight book, 225 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: White has a chapter on the media which is really 226 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: worth reading, and it really sounds like today. I mean, 227 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: the biases, the anti Republican, anti conservative, anti American traits 228 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: of the New York Times, the Washington Post, they're all 229 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 1: right there in nineteen sixty eight. In the nineteen seventy 230 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: two book, he explains that George McGovern is has a 231 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: huge problem with the left, and the line he used, 232 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: which I thought was really helpful, is that the liberal 233 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: ideology had become a liberal theology and you could no 234 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: longer debate it, argue about it, modify it, because to 235 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: do so with an active heresy, it become a basically 236 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: a quasi religious movement. Now this is in nineteen seventy two, 237 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 1: So what you've seen is the steady growth and evolution 238 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: on college campuses, in the news media, and the bureaucracy 239 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: of people who have been absorbed into this new theology. 240 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: And if you think about it, if you think of 241 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: this as a war of religion between a secular left 242 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: wing anti anti Christian, anti Jew, anti American, anti national 243 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: religion and the rest of us. Then they have the 244 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: same fanaticism that you would have gotten from the French Revolution, 245 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: or from the Russian Revolution or the Chinese Revolution. They're 246 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: remarkable parallels between their attitude and the way mal operated 247 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: in the Cultural Revolution. And on my podcast That News World, 248 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: I've interviewed Chinese Americans. One of them was a woman 249 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: who literally was in the Cultural Revolution under Mao, was 250 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: a very young girl, and now is fighting about the 251 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: schools in Loudon County, Virginia, which she says have taken 252 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: on Maoist behavior. She said, I feel like I'm back 253 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: in China again, and I think that that's real. I 254 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: think that the left here has the same revolutionary tendencies 255 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: that you would have seen in Paris in seventeen ninety two, 256 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: or in Moscow in nineteen seventeen, or in China up 257 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: to today, because Jianping in many ways as the new mouth. Well, 258 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: and I also interviewed to your point, I interviewed Maximo 259 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: Alveraz to escape Cuba. Who are the same sentiments that 260 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: you just laid out of a concern that we're turning 261 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: into Cuba. You just mentioned, you know, turning into China. 262 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: Why does so many people on the left hate America 263 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: The one I used to be a college teacher, and 264 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: one of the characteristics of college teachers is that they 265 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: read lots of books. They walk into classrooms where all 266 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: of these eager young students stare at them slavishly because 267 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: actually they can flunk them. I mean, there are a 268 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: few places of untested power comparable to being a professor 269 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: in a college classroom, and so of course the students 270 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,359 Speaker 1: who are relatively clever all suck up to them and go, oh, 271 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: this is such a brilliant lecture. I can't tell you 272 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: how much it meant to me to be able to 273 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: sit here and learn from a genius like you. Well, 274 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: they believe all this stuff, and you know, some of 275 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: them actually work as much as fifteen hours a week. 276 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's an amazing project. And in fact, a 277 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: good friend of mine used to explain to his working 278 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: class relatives that he'd gotten a PhD because he only 279 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: worked fifteen hours a week, and they said, ah, you're 280 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: ripping off the man. We got it. You're really clever, 281 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: because that sort of fit their industrial mentality. But the 282 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: fact is they didn't look around and they realize, you know, 283 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: people like Bill Gates has more money than they do, well, 284 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: he doesn't deserve to have more money than they do. 285 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: And the guy who is the local lawyer who drives 286 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: a better car than they do, well, why does he that? 287 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: I mean, what does he do? He just he just 288 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: does law, whereas I am a brilliant genius who does knowledge. 289 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: And I think that the level of envy is very 290 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: real and very deep. The other factor that we have 291 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: just have to own up to is our immigration policy 292 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 1: allows people to come here who hate us. They hated 293 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: us back when they were home. I mean, I'm always amazed, 294 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: for example, when somebody who has migrated from say Somalia 295 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: tells us how bad America is. I mean, first of all, 296 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: I'm very happy we got to have a policy of 297 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: saying we will always pay for a return ticket if 298 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: you'd like to go home. But in addition, you look 299 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: at a woman, a Somali woman in America and a 300 00:17:54,400 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: Somali woman in Mogadishu. You have to be literally crazy 301 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: to think that you're better off in Mogadishu. But they 302 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: come here they get to be elected to Congress, and 303 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: suddenly they dislike the country which has liberated them and 304 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: protected them and given them status. And you have to think, 305 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: as Glad Sad who wrote a great book on this 306 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,479 Speaker 1: about claiming that the left wingism is actually a virus, 307 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: and you can't deal with them rationally because these are 308 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: people whose brains are now occupied by this virus. Yeah, yeah, 309 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: there's a lot, he says. You know, when you deal 310 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: with somebody who refuses to admit that you have a 311 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: higher income in the US than in Somalia, you're not 312 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: having an argument. You're dealing with a person who's a 313 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: mental illness. And I think that that is sort of 314 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: spread on the left, and because it's as a secular 315 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: religious movement, if you don't believe that, you will be 316 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: coerced and punished. And it's this attitude which has allowed 317 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi to run a dictatorship with an amazingly narrow margin. 318 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't as a former Speaker of the House, I 319 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: would not have thought it possible to do the things 320 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: that she does. I just think that it's she gets 321 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: In fact, I've suggested that they should that the lemming 322 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: should replace the Donkey as the symbol of the Democratic 323 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: Party because she gets people to walk off the cliffs 324 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: suicidally on a regular basis. She has a very narrow margin, 325 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: and probably thirty or forty of her members are literally 326 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 1: committing suicide every time they vote with her, and they 327 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: do it anyway, I think, because being kneecapped by Pelosi 328 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: this week is a more certain punishment than being fired 329 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: in November of twenty twenty two. Quick commercial break more 330 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: with Speaker Gangridge on the other side. One thing that 331 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: really concerns me about where we are now is we've 332 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: seen this government reaction to COVID and leaders not just 333 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: in the United States but around the world using it 334 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: to reshape society, reshape the role of the federal government 335 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: in our lives, or just the government in general. And 336 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: like the beauty of America, as we've been a constitutional republic, 337 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: self governance, putting power in the hands of the people, 338 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: and it seems like that power has been taken away. 339 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: How do we regain that What does that mean for 340 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: the country moving forward? I mean, it's hard to imagine 341 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: how we take that power back when it's been taken 342 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: so egregiously. Well, I think in a lot of states, 343 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: though you're seeing that happen again. Republican governors as a group, 344 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: not all of them, but virtually all of them are 345 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: much more inclined to allow people to live their own 346 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: lives and run their own risk. If you if you 347 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: compare Florida and Texas with New York and California, there 348 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: is just an astonishing difference in attitude in the governing people. 349 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: I do think that across the planet, the bureaucrats and 350 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: the politicians saw this as a great opportunit unity to 351 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: be brilliant, and they would have said they were doing 352 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: what science told them to. The truth is, and I'm 353 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: in the middle of reading a whole series of books 354 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: right now on the epidemic and how it happened, what 355 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: was done, etc. The truth is, first of all, we 356 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: have a terrible, incompetent, obsolete public health system. I'm embarrassed 357 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: by how bad the Center for Disease Control has become. 358 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: It's it's a politically dominated, timid, and ineffective bureaucracy which 359 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: actually made the COVID epidemics substantially worse in the United 360 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: States by the bureaucracy and their attitudes. I think that 361 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: it's clear that politicians like Cuomo killed thousands of people 362 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: unnecessarily by doing exactly the opposite of what they should 363 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: have done, putting people with COVID in the nursing homes 364 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: instead of keeping them out of the nursing homes. And 365 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: I think in New York, for example, we're going to 366 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: find that literally thousands, a minimum of seven thousand, maybe 367 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: as many as fifteen thousand senior citizens were killed by 368 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: Andrew Cuomo's policies, just plain killed. So in that sense, 369 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: I think it's it's bad. I also think that on 370 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: a worldwide basis, and this is partly the doing of 371 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: Bill Gates, who has been funding programs all over the 372 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: planet that are on the surface philanthropic and positive and 373 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:30,479 Speaker 1: designed to wipe out tuberculosis or wipe out malaria or whatever. 374 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: They're all sound great, but what he's done in the 375 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: process has created a worldwide group think, and so across 376 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: the planet people decided that they would lock down. Now 377 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: it's interesting if you go to Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and Singapore, 378 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: they followed very strict programs that are classic and how 379 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: you deal with epidemics. They had huge amounts of testing 380 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: and they tracked people, found out exactly who had the disease, 381 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: isolated only the people with the disease kept their economies 382 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: up and running, and as a result, I think in 383 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: Taiwan they've had something like don't take this number literally 384 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: because I'm trying to remember off the top of my head, 385 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: but I think they've had something like eighty people die 386 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 1: and maybe nine hundred who got COVID because they just 387 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: they trapped the virus as fast as they could find it, 388 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: didn't let those particular people spread it, and so the 389 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: virus died out. Singapore was similar. South Korea has done 390 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: a great job. Japan did a pretty good job, not 391 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: quite as good, but all four of those countries are 392 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: radically better than the western countries at solving this. And 393 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: by the way, it's not purely East and West. The 394 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: Chinese have done a terrible job and simply lie about 395 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: how many Chinese have died and how many have gotten COVID, 396 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: because it's been much much worse than they're willing to admit. 397 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 1: Although the challenges is that, uh, you know, COVID's probably 398 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: not going away. So you could argue that maybe Sweden 399 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: had the best route where they sort of just you know, 400 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: allowed COVID to do as a virus does, as it's 401 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: going to continue to do, and as opposed to you know, 402 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: we sort of prolonged what is inevitably going to happen 403 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: in terms of you know, we're all probably going to 404 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: get COVID at some point, so it's you know, better 405 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: to to build up your immune system. But you know, regardless, 406 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: you know, So it's not just the size of the 407 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: government in terms of how large governments have grown throughout COVID. 408 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: It's also corporations and the crushing of small businesses and 409 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: the crushing of businesses that are more decentralized. It's the 410 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: centralization of corporations. It's big tech and the growth of 411 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 1: big tech and the power that has over our lives. 412 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: So how do Republicans what they do with that which 413 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: they do with these corporations who have gotten so big, 414 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: so powerful, with big tech that has gotten so big 415 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: and so powerful. Well, look, I think, excuse me, I 416 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: think we should be deeply in favor of genuine free 417 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: enterprise and genuine entrepreneurship, starting with small businesses. And we 418 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: should be against chrony capitalism and which when you see 419 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: a corporation which values its lobbyist more than its engineers. 420 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: You know, you're dealing with chrony capitalism, and they tend 421 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,959 Speaker 1: to underperform over price, and they tend to cheat in 422 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: order to crowd out younger, smaller, newer competitors. And so 423 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: I think we should be in favor of the competition. 424 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: And you would have a dramatic turnover. If you go 425 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: back and look at who were the biggest companies in 426 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: the stock market in nineteen hundred, it's astonishing how few 427 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 1: of them are still around. Because in a really competitive, 428 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: dynamic society, there are constantly new people, you know, the 429 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: Elon Musk to the world, who are inventing new things 430 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 1: and creating new things. And you want and to grow. 431 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: I mean, we want not just a small businesses. We 432 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: want lots of baby businesses that are capable of growing 433 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: into giants. And then we want to continuous Schumpeter called 434 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: creative destruction. We want a continuous pressure of the next 435 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: wave of new ideas and the next wave of new businesses. 436 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: So I don't object to a Bill Gates or a 437 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: Steve Jobs. I object to them then trying to pull 438 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: up the drawbridge and block anybody else from competing with them. 439 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: Adam Smith and the Wealth of Nations warned that any 440 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,959 Speaker 1: time businessmen get together for lunch is a conspiracy against 441 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: the consumer. And there's something to that. I mean, in 442 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: government contracting maybe among the worst in government rules and regulations. 443 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: If you watch, you'll notice that the really big companies 444 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: love regulations because they have a big enough law department 445 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: and a big enough clerical force that they can deal 446 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 1: with the regulations. And they know that it will have 447 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: much greater costs per dollar on the small companies that 448 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: are trying to compete with them. So you have to 449 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: always be careful and ask is this regulation necessary for 450 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: the public or is it a gimmick by which the 451 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: current dominant companies crowd out and weaken their potential competitors. 452 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: But I think we should not be the you know, 453 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: the movement or the party of big corporations in bedwith government. 454 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: We should be the movement and the party in favor 455 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: of entrepreneurs and startups and small businesses and baby businesses. 456 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: And we should be constantly looking at the tax code 457 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: and the regulatory code to make sure that it's not 458 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: propping up the big guys inefficiently, but rather as maximizing 459 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: the opportunity to compete and to grow. But are some 460 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: of these companies too big to compete with? Because we've 461 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: almost had an artificial resetting of the economy with the 462 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: government coming in and essentially dictating the terms by destroying 463 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: so many businesses in America. So are some of these 464 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: companies too big to just simply compete with. They're not 465 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: too big to compete with as long as you insist 466 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: the competence as possible. They're too big to compete with 467 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: if they can go out in a predatory way and 468 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: destroy you. And so I think you've got to look. 469 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: You've got to look for what their behaviors are. But 470 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: as a general rule, if you go back and look 471 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: at the biggest companies of nineteen hundred, with the possible 472 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: exception of Exxon, which was standard oil, almost none of 473 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: them have, in fact, in the long run, retained that 474 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: ability because other competitors come along, New technologies come along, 475 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: Things that once work no longer work. Entrepreneurs grow older, 476 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: and the genius they had when they were thirty they 477 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: don't have when they're seventy. I mean some do. There 478 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: are occasions where you have, like Thomas Edison, who was 479 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: inventing his whole life and probably invented at one point, 480 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: I think six percent of the economy. It was Thomas 481 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: Edison's personal inventions, like the electric light in the motion picture. 482 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: But I think as a general principle, even those folks 483 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: that are gradually replaced because people them along. You know, 484 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: Vaudeville faced movies, and about the time movies were dominant, 485 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: they faced radio, and then they faced television. And now 486 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,479 Speaker 1: of course you have video, and you have you have cable, 487 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: and you have streaming, and you have this explosion of opportunities, 488 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: whereas you know, seventy or eighty years ago, you had 489 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: at one point you had one one nationwide channel, which 490 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: was NBC, and the world just changed. So I really 491 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: believe that entrepreneurs and technology are constant drivers unless they're 492 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: cut off. Now they can be cut off because the 493 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: bigs come in and buy them, or they can be 494 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: cut off because government sets up tax policy, or sets 495 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: up regulatory policy, or sets up contracts. I mean, if 496 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: if government's only willing to contract with Boeing and Lockheed 497 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: Martin and companies of that size, then the small startups, 498 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: who often have better solutions at lower cost, can't even 499 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: get into the game. Well, and earlier on the show, 500 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: I said student of history, but I meant just lever 501 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: of history. You're an actual historian and a former professor. 502 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: But in addition to that, everyone knows you as being 503 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: the former you know, Speaker of the House, and you 504 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: were the driver behind, the mastermind, the brainchild of the 505 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: Contract with America in nineteen ninety four, when you're a 506 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: minority whip at the time. This was introduced, I believe, 507 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: six weeks before Bill Clinton's first midterm elections, and it 508 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: was really bold because you outlined to America what Republicans 509 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: would do if they obtained power, and ultimately Republicans went 510 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: on to gain fifty four seats in the House nine 511 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: seats in the Senate. You know, looking back, why did 512 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: you find that necessary at the time? What was behind that? Well, ironically, 513 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: the one person who's written about this accurately is Chuck Schumer. 514 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: That's funny, Umber Rush, Yeah, no, what I actually did 515 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: a press club event with Schumer. He wrote a book 516 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: about two thousand and seven on how democracy operates, and 517 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: in his book he had a chapter on the Contract 518 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: with America, and he's the one person understood what we 519 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: were doing the contract with America was actually a management 520 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: tool to change the culture of the House Republican Party, 521 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: and it was designed to win the election. And it 522 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: was something I had done with Reagan in nineteen eighty 523 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: when we had a Capital Steps event, and not only 524 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: did Reagan win by the largest electoral vote margin against 525 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: an incumbent president in modern history, but he also carried 526 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: into office a majority in the Senate, which nobody thought possible, 527 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: and we won five senatorial seats by a total of 528 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: seventy five thousand votes. And I think it was because 529 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: they'd all come together and had this event and pledged 530 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: five positive things, because I think positive matters, and I 531 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: think it's not enough just to be negative. So we 532 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: both wanted to have an election vehicle, which is what 533 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: the contract was at one level, so people would say, oh, 534 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: if I vote for you, you'll lie actually do positive things. 535 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: And I'm personally convinced that if we'd run a traditional 536 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: Republican negative campaign, we'd have gained twenty five or thirty seats, 537 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: but we would not have gained a majority. The way 538 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: it worked, we actually ended up gaining fifty four seats, 539 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:21,239 Speaker 1: and that was in part because we competed everywhere, and 540 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: it was in part because we had this positive vision, 541 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: which you could feel in the candidates. I mean, a 542 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: candidate who has a positive future just feels different than 543 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: a candidate who's angry and negative and only can't do 544 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: anything but attack. But the second reason we did it 545 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: was when we won the majority, we did not want 546 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: to become a normal party. We didn't want people to 547 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: show up and say, oh gosh, what am I going 548 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: to do now, get captured by the lobbyist and the 549 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: Georgetown social set, go from cocktail party to cocktail party, 550 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: and become useless. So we agreed that in the first 551 00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: hundred days we would vote on ten big items. And 552 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: the effort it took to get everybody lined up to 553 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: actually keep our word made us, I think, for about 554 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: three years, almost four years, a dramatically different party than 555 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: we had been before or that we've been since then. 556 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: So in part, I would argue that you want to 557 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: have some kind of positive commitment that forces your members 558 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: to actually do what they promise to do, or they'll 559 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: cynically win an election. And in the tradition of Robert 560 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: Redford and the candidate at the very end when he wins, 561 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: He says, you know, what do we do now? Because 562 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: he had he was just a candidate. He hadn't thought 563 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: about actually trying to govern. And I think you've got 564 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: to have a movement that wants to fix America's problems, 565 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: not just a movement that wants to hold power. You know. 566 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,719 Speaker 1: But I mean that takes a lot of foresight, and 567 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: that takes a lot of boldness to sort of put 568 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: that out there and to make that kind of contract 569 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: with the country. Do you think does the Republican Party 570 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: today have that boldness in that foresight. Well, I think 571 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy does. He had, he had a commitment to America. 572 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: In two thousand and interestingly, people thought the Republicans in 573 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: the House, we're going to lose twenty five seats. They 574 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 1: actually gained fifteen. I mean, that's a swing of forty 575 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: seats and expectation. Every seat that they picked up they 576 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: won with either a minority member or a woman in 577 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: some cases a woman who is a minority member. Because 578 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: he had he'd gone out and he'd recruited to diversify 579 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,240 Speaker 1: the Republican Party and to have a broader based Republican Party. 580 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: And I know in my talking with Kevin that he 581 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: absolutely understands this and wants to move in this direction. 582 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: I think the senate's a harder cell, partly because you know, 583 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: in the Senate you only have a handful of races 584 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: that are really tough. Most of the senators are not 585 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: up for reelection, and of the Senators who are up 586 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: for re election, most are going to win automatically. So 587 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: you don't have the same reporting to the country. And 588 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: this was by design of the founding fathers. They wanted 589 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: one institution to be a little bit buffered away from 590 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 1: the country. So it's harder to convince senators that they 591 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,879 Speaker 1: have to actually be positive, and it's particularly hard if 592 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: you're dealing with senators who frankly, just want power to 593 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: have power. So my frustration with the Republican Party right 594 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: now is, you know, we're seeing gregious human rights abuses 595 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,760 Speaker 1: taking place around the world right now towards the unvaccinated, 596 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: of literally creating internment camps in certain countries. In New 597 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: York City, you can't go into a restaurant if you 598 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: are unvaccinated. And you know, we're talking about a vaccine 599 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: that has an expiration date that you can still get 600 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: and spread COVID. If you get it, then that we 601 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: still don't have a ton of safety data for yet 602 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: this is being implemented around the world. I don't think 603 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: there are enough Republicans that seem awake to what is 604 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: happening in that regard personally, just the total loss of freedom. 605 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,280 Speaker 1: I just got a note last night. Every single Republican 606 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: in the House has signed on to a resolution condemning 607 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: and opposing Biden's effort to force private employees employers to 608 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: vaccinate you to require vaccinations. And I think in that sense, 609 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: you've seen more and more Republicans speaking out against the 610 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: entire big government, police state approach to this stuff, and 611 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: I think that that will continue to grow and continue 612 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: to develop. I think in the Senate you've had very 613 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: similar things. They had a fight the other day over 614 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: insisting on having a vote on an amendment about requiring 615 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: the employers to implement government mandates about vaccinations, and every 616 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,399 Speaker 1: Republican voted yes. Every Democrat voted no, which was kind 617 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 1: of strange. But I think you're going to see You're 618 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: about to see Mansion and a couple of other senators 619 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: on the Democratic side break and starts voting with the 620 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: Republicans on the vaccine issue, at which point they'll start 621 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: actually passing the Senate. And I think that they should 622 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: be aggressive, you know, I think part of it is. 623 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: And I'm in the middle of reading three different books 624 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 1: on the the COVID epidemic, and it's hard to overstate 625 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: how confusing and how badly informed the public health community 626 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: was and how often they told people that was simply 627 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 1: not true. And I think that that has only now 628 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: are our political leaders beginning to realize how much that 629 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: they have been misled. And I think that they overreach 630 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: by Biden and by Cuomo and by others is beginning 631 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: to really waken people up to the idea that you know, 632 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: you can't live your whole life worried about one particular 633 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,359 Speaker 1: flu flu like disease. And it's going to turn out 634 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: in the long run, the coronavirus is going to be 635 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: like the flu. In fact, we will lose I think 636 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: we'll lose more people to flu than we will to 637 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: covid in two thou twenty two or two twenty three. 638 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: But see, I think it's bigger than that because I'm 639 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: not a scientist, right, but even back in you know, 640 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,439 Speaker 1: what was a March of twenty twenty, earlier than that, 641 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: you're basically right after whether April was the fifteen days 642 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 1: to slow the spread. I was reading stuff by doctor 643 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 1: Ian Edis, who was outlining basically what you just said, 644 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: that this is likely not as bad as what we think. 645 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: You could look at surveys even at the beginning, or 646 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: study is showing that the majority of people going into 647 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,240 Speaker 1: hospitalizations we're saying at home. So we have known quite 648 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 1: you know, almost this entire time that we were being 649 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: lied to. I just feel like sometimes Republicans sort of 650 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: lay the groundwork for the left as opposed to just 651 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: being bold and brave when it mattered. Because now this 652 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: we've we've already become consumed by these vaccine mandates, consumed 653 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 1: by the messaging, and Republicans were part of that. In 654 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: earlier on I'm telling everyone to go get vaccinated and 655 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: simply just leaving it to Americans to make their own decisions, 656 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 1: or even with police shooting, sort of going along and 657 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: saying we need police reform, despite if you look at 658 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: the numbers, it just simply wasn't there that somehow it 659 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 1: was open season on you know, black people in America. 660 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: That was always a lie. So I just feel like 661 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: sometimes Republicans sort of lack the braveness and the ability 662 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 1: to fight back when it matters the most, and they 663 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 1: sort of lay the groundwork for the left. And Trump 664 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: was probably, you know, one of the few recently who 665 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,320 Speaker 1: was different in that regard of just rejecting false premises 666 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 1: from the beginning. Well, I look, I think first of all, 667 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 1: Trump has been the most effective anti left politician in 668 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 1: my lifetime. I don't think he's a conservative in the 669 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: William Buckley National Review sense, but I think if your 670 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: interest is breaking up the left, nobody has done a 671 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: better job than Trump in my lifetime, not not Reagan, 672 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: not anybody. Second, um, I think you almost have to 673 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: be Trump's size, you know, with millions of followers, with 674 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: the ability to generate noise the way he does, in 675 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: order to do some of the stuff. If you're a 676 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,839 Speaker 1: h and there's a real balance you've got, you know 677 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: that even a guy like Reagan had to follow because 678 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: you can you can you have to select which fights 679 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: you're going to pick with the media so that you 680 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: don't end up looking like you're a kukie because the 681 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: media will hate you. And it's okay for them to 682 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 1: hate you on one or two things, but if they 683 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 1: hate you on seven things, they'll begin to erode your 684 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: ability to be seen as effective. So it's it's always 685 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:48,280 Speaker 1: a balancing act. I think that the larger picture of 686 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 1: the elites, not just in the US but around the 687 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:56,760 Speaker 1: world exploiting COVID as an opportunity to dramatically expand government, 688 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: I think that's beginning to sink in, and I think 689 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 1: there will be a very deep reaction to it, and 690 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 1: that in the end, in fact, government will end up 691 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: being smaller, not larger, because the average American is going 692 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,879 Speaker 1: to be so deeply distrustful of the bureaucracies and so 693 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: convinced that it just doesn't work. I mean, that's the 694 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: other part. Had all this stuff worked, had had COVID 695 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,360 Speaker 1: been solved, had the schools actually educated people, had we 696 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: actually had safety in the streets, I think you'd have 697 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: one attitude. But people are normal every day, people look 698 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,360 Speaker 1: around going wait a second, the murder rates going up dramatically, 699 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: the schools aren't working, and we have another wave of 700 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: a COVID variant because the strategy was the wrong strategy. 701 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 1: Once you've got to focus on, I think is therapeutics 702 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 1: and accepting the idea that when people do get sick, 703 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: what you want to do is maximize their ability to 704 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 1: survive and recover, as opposed to trying to contain it 705 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: through a vaccination only strategy. And it's very clear in 706 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:02,319 Speaker 1: retrospect that the public health people deliberately wanted to minimize 707 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,359 Speaker 1: therapeutics because they wanted to force people to become vaccinated. Well, 708 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: it turns out when you're dealing with a rapidly mutating 709 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 1: system that last year's vaccine maybe of no value, and 710 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: you're not going to be able to force the whole 711 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 1: world into getting vaccinated every single year. People are just 712 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,359 Speaker 1: playing gunner rebel. And in Europe you see this number 713 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 1: is they're very, very big demonstrations in a number of 714 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 1: European countries against the government because the government has now 715 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,760 Speaker 1: been identified as the enforcer of authoritarian rules that affect 716 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: my body, they don't just affect my pocketbook. Well, and 717 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: I also think the difference is, you know, if you 718 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 1: look at something like the measles or polio, they confer 719 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 1: lifetime immunity, whereas this looks like it's an every six 720 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 1: month thing. So people are like, you know what I'm 721 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 1: not the high risk or I have natural immunity. I 722 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,799 Speaker 1: really don't want to inject something by body that we 723 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,280 Speaker 1: don't have a ton of data for every six months 724 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: for you know, god knows how long, right, especially when 725 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,839 Speaker 1: it's not stopping the spread. But I think one thing 726 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: I admired about President Trump was just this rejection of 727 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 1: false premises, because if you look at before him, it 728 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 1: was people like Romney, who you know, when he was 729 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: questioned about the war on women and all these bogus, 730 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,400 Speaker 1: you know, fallacy is that were being pushed by the 731 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,759 Speaker 1: left and the media, he would be like, oh, I 732 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,279 Speaker 1: had buying it, is full of what right? He would 733 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 1: just completely accept the false premise and play into it, 734 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,240 Speaker 1: whereas Trump would just be like, that's a dumb question next, 735 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: you know. So it was just sort of like changed 736 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,840 Speaker 1: the game in terms of how we deal with the media, 737 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: sort of pushing back against you know, these propaganda wars 738 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,719 Speaker 1: that they're always waging on us. I think that's right. 739 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 1: I'd say two things about that. One, if you're Mit 740 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,240 Speaker 1: Romney and you were governor of Massachusetts for four years 741 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,799 Speaker 1: and before that you lived in Massachusetts, you're just you're 742 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 1: surrounded by all these people. And this is not a 743 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,799 Speaker 1: bet negative about mit. You're just surrounded by all these 744 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: people who are cuckoo, and you know, being cuckoo in 745 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: Boston as normal. So things that when you were talking 746 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,880 Speaker 1: over coffee, or I guess as a Mormon, he wouldn't 747 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: drinking coffee when you're talking over hot chocolate. You know, 748 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,720 Speaker 1: things that people were saying. You'd hear it so often 749 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 1: you think, Gosh, I guess that's okay. Trump's great ability 750 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: is that he knows what he believes. He's thought about 751 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 1: it for a long time. He's actually not automatically a 752 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 1: New Yorker or anything else. He's a person who has 753 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,759 Speaker 1: done business and lived all around the world, and he 754 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,160 Speaker 1: has formed his own opinions. And he actually knows from 755 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 1: his own experience in New York dealing with Page six 756 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,640 Speaker 1: and with the gossip columns, etc. That there's no particular 757 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: reason to believe that the news media is right and 758 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 1: he's wrong. So he's happy. He's the most cheerful person 759 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,319 Speaker 1: about taking on the news media that I've ever seen. 760 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: And he's so brilliant coming up with things like fake 761 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 1: news as a term. I mean, it's just chlifts and 762 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 1: I went to a remarkable museum of Egyptian artifacts in Turin, Italy. 763 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you would not expect Turn to have the 764 00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: second largest Egyptian collection outside of Egypt. But in the 765 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,759 Speaker 1: mid nineteenth century, a guy from Turn had gathered up 766 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 1: all this stuff, tried to sell it to the Louver. 767 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: They wouldn't pay him enough, so he gave it to 768 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,320 Speaker 1: the government in Turn and they opened this amazing museum 769 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 1: and Chlifs and I were going through it with his 770 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 1: tour guide and we get to one point he says, 771 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 1: you see that statue over there, People will tell you X, 772 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 1: but that's fake news. And I thought to myself, I'm 773 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 1: standing in Turn, Italy looking at an Egyptian collection with 774 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,200 Speaker 1: an Italian guide who's using Donald Trump's language, and it 775 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 1: was just to me a stunning example of how much 776 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 1: Trump had penetrated the world. Culture were even saying, you know, 777 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,400 Speaker 1: let's go Brandon science around the world. That also seems 778 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 1: to inspire but not in the part. Well, actually that 779 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 1: that's sort of two to me. No, no, that's not 780 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,799 Speaker 1: that's not fair. I give Joe Biden enormous credit for 781 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,399 Speaker 1: making let's go Brandon a worldwide term. I mean, I mean, 782 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,839 Speaker 1: and I can't imagine what the term would be for KALs, 783 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 1: But doesn't that say something like I feel like almost 784 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 1: because you look at let's go Brandon, and you look 785 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,520 Speaker 1: at literally, So I think I was watching like my 786 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,440 Speaker 1: dad was watching on the Thanksgiving which I don't know. 787 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 1: I'm not a big soccer fan, so I'm not sure 788 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:30,400 Speaker 1: and he's not either, so I'm not sure why. I 789 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,719 Speaker 1: think he just wanted to watch sports. But and they 790 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: were saying, let's it's just it's everywhere around the country 791 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 1: and it's global as well. Do you think we're sort 792 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,880 Speaker 1: of downplaying the significance of that because it almost seems 793 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:49,880 Speaker 1: like this massive grassroots movement that is intentionally being ignored. Well, 794 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,320 Speaker 1: it is, And of course the somebody wrote a brilliant 795 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,840 Speaker 1: essay the day and pointed out, let's go Brandon is 796 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,920 Speaker 1: as much against the news media as it is against Biden. 797 00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,640 Speaker 1: It's it's it was. It was a crowd chanting, and 798 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,280 Speaker 1: it was misinterpreted, as you remember, by this NBC reporter 799 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,279 Speaker 1: who was trying to pretend that they weren't saying what 800 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: they were saying. And so she said, oh, they're saying 801 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,480 Speaker 1: let's go Brandon because Brandon was the driver who just 802 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,520 Speaker 1: won the race. That caught on instantly, and it was 803 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: as much mocking the news media for lying about what 804 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,799 Speaker 1: people were saying as it was mocking Joe Biden. And 805 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,200 Speaker 1: there's a great cartoon where where somebody had Jill saying, 806 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,799 Speaker 1: please quit saying that he now thinks his name is Brandon. Yeah, 807 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,719 Speaker 1: I saw that. That's funny. You know so, sir, you've 808 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you've dealt with the media, right, you were 809 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,719 Speaker 1: in political office at the you know, some of the 810 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 1: highest levels. You've dealt with this for a long time. 811 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,480 Speaker 1: You've observed it as a historian as well. Has the 812 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,239 Speaker 1: media always been this corrupt? You know? It's interesting. John 813 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,359 Speaker 1: mccannon and I shared the distinction of being listed on 814 00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,440 Speaker 1: television as r Dash Media rather than on our home 815 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:06,400 Speaker 1: state because we both were on media so much. No, 816 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,799 Speaker 1: it hasn't always been this corrupt. I think I think 817 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:14,920 Speaker 1: that it What happened was the left believes in a 818 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 1: series of lies. I always tell people, if you want 819 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,960 Speaker 1: to understand the Left, imagine that they saw The Lion 820 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 1: King as a documentary and they actually believe the lions 821 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: and Zebras sing and dance together, which both explains how 822 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,680 Speaker 1: they try to handle Putin and Jiji and Ping, and 823 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,880 Speaker 1: also why they're constantly out of touch with reality. Well, 824 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,320 Speaker 1: the challenge on the left is what they believe is 825 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,799 Speaker 1: a lie, and you have to prop up a lie 826 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,719 Speaker 1: every single day, and because it's a lie, you end 827 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,040 Speaker 1: up having to say things that they are simply plain 828 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:53,080 Speaker 1: not true. Now, the news media was always, i would say, cynical, 829 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,120 Speaker 1: and it was partly because it's covering human beings, and 830 00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,239 Speaker 1: that tends to can lead one to cynicism. If you 831 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,680 Speaker 1: go back and look at say The Front Page, which 832 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 1: was both a play and then a terrific movie in 833 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,120 Speaker 1: the thirties, and it's been remade two or three times 834 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,440 Speaker 1: since then. I mean, there's a lot of cynicism among 835 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:16,719 Speaker 1: the reporters. And H. L. Mencken was as trenchant a 836 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,959 Speaker 1: social observer has ever wrote for a newspaper, and he's 837 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,680 Speaker 1: writing in the twenties and thirties and is amazingly insightful 838 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,080 Speaker 1: and at the same time giving you his opinion and 839 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:35,200 Speaker 1: his biases. But I think what happened was the idealism 840 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,919 Speaker 1: of the early sixties when they were covering the Vietnam War, 841 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,640 Speaker 1: they were covering the civil rights movement that gradually began 842 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,239 Speaker 1: to give way to a group think. And it's part 843 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,600 Speaker 1: of what theater was writing about that if you in 844 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,600 Speaker 1: order to be acceptable with the New York Times today, 845 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,439 Speaker 1: And I asked this of a great reporter who's now 846 00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:02,800 Speaker 1: writing books about Alex Barnson, who writes books now about 847 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,520 Speaker 1: things like COVID and the group think in the degree 848 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,799 Speaker 1: to which it's a lie. And I asked Alex, he 849 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,719 Speaker 1: was in the nineteen nineties a terrific reporter at the 850 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,799 Speaker 1: New York Times, and he said he could not work 851 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,080 Speaker 1: at the Times today, that he's not left wing enough 852 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,400 Speaker 1: and he's not willing to walk around a lie about 853 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,920 Speaker 1: what he believes, and so the Time simply would find 854 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,960 Speaker 1: him unacceptable. And I think that we see that happening 855 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,640 Speaker 1: with the Washington Post. You see it happening with NBC 856 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,440 Speaker 1: and CBS and with the others. Although we're about to 857 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,359 Speaker 1: see an interesting experiment. CNN is doing so badly in 858 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 1: terms of its ratings that the new team that's taking 859 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,600 Speaker 1: over from the Discovery Channel has said that they want 860 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,680 Speaker 1: to return it to being a news channel rather than 861 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,680 Speaker 1: an opinion channel. And that will be a very interesting 862 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,040 Speaker 1: experiment if they actually can pull it off, and it 863 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:57,200 Speaker 1: will be a wrenching blow to the culture of the 864 00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,000 Speaker 1: CNN system as it currently exists. Quick break more speaker, 865 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:11,239 Speaker 1: New Gingrich author Beyond Biden after the break, Well, I 866 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,640 Speaker 1: do believe group thinks a huge problem right now. That 867 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,960 Speaker 1: was the whole point of really this podcast and just 868 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,280 Speaker 1: thinking we have a crisis of a lack of critical 869 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,520 Speaker 1: thinking in the country right now. You know, sir, do 870 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,799 Speaker 1: you think President Trump runs again? Well, I think he's 871 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,960 Speaker 1: been very clear too, and we've had this conversation, but 872 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,479 Speaker 1: with everybody, I know that if his health is good enough, 873 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,560 Speaker 1: he'll run, but he will not run if his doctor 874 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:39,680 Speaker 1: thinks that he is entering his health problems. He's very 875 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:44,360 Speaker 1: aware of how fragile and how embarrassing Joe Biden is, 876 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,960 Speaker 1: and he has and he's not that much younger than Biden, 877 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,920 Speaker 1: and he has no interest in ending up winning and 878 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,840 Speaker 1: serving a sort of a guy who's lost it and 879 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,719 Speaker 1: can't do it very well. At the same time, I 880 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,560 Speaker 1: don't don't think he would run if he was convinced 881 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,440 Speaker 1: he'd lose. You know, you could. You can lose once 882 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,440 Speaker 1: and you can you can say it was stolen and 883 00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,520 Speaker 1: you can blame people, but if you lose twice as 884 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,840 Speaker 1: a repudiation. So I think he has to have two criteria, 885 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,640 Speaker 1: a belief that he could win and a belief that 886 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,960 Speaker 1: he will physically be able to serve out four years 887 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,719 Speaker 1: and do so with with mental acuity. If those two 888 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,919 Speaker 1: things are there, I think that he will. He will run, 889 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,600 Speaker 1: and my guess is he'll be the nominee. I can't 890 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,520 Speaker 1: imagine anybody who could take him, partly because you know, 891 00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,799 Speaker 1: you'd end up in a debate with Donald Trump on 892 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,560 Speaker 1: the stage and he would annihilate you. I mean, there's 893 00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,040 Speaker 1: there's nobody who's going to debate Donald Trump uh and 894 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,680 Speaker 1: and win the debate. Still remember the line just Rosey 895 00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:48,480 Speaker 1: O'donald Uh. You know I if not Trump, is it DeSantis? Well, 896 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,760 Speaker 1: I think if not Trump is wide open. De Santis 897 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:57,200 Speaker 1: is one of the front runners. Uh, Pompeo, Pence, Nicky Haley. Um. 898 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,239 Speaker 1: The number of people who would show up up and 899 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,520 Speaker 1: run would be astonishing. You'd have three or four senators, 900 00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,520 Speaker 1: three or four governors, a couple of cabinet officers. So 901 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,800 Speaker 1: the field would be a little bit like twenty fifteen 902 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,319 Speaker 1: when they were I think sixteen people running. Uh, and 903 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,080 Speaker 1: DeSantis would certainly have huge advantages. He's been a very 904 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:22,000 Speaker 1: effective governor. But but I would say, you know a 905 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,120 Speaker 1: lot of people might decide to show up and play 906 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,520 Speaker 1: in Uh, you can't. You can't tell until they get 907 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,840 Speaker 1: out there for a while. Who's going to have staying 908 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,800 Speaker 1: power and who's going to actually connect with the American people. 909 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,080 Speaker 1: I mean, if not Trump, it's de Santis for me. 910 00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,480 Speaker 1: I just I think he is the best politician. I 911 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,840 Speaker 1: mean I literally moved to Florida because of him and 912 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,200 Speaker 1: the fact that I left New York City, communist New 913 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,680 Speaker 1: York City to move to freedom here in Florida. Best 914 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,760 Speaker 1: decision I've ever made. He's a remarkable governor. Uh. You know. So, 915 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,359 Speaker 1: so if not Trump, DeSantis for me. I'll say it now. 916 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,440 Speaker 1: I don't care. But you know, so, looking ahead for 917 00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,640 Speaker 1: the Republican Party, looking at the mid terms and beyond, 918 00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,799 Speaker 1: what does that look like for Republicans? What does that 919 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,879 Speaker 1: future look like? One thing is almost certain and one 920 00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,680 Speaker 1: thing that we don't know. There's certain almost certainty is 921 00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,880 Speaker 1: that they're going to win control of the House and 922 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,480 Speaker 1: probably pick up seats in the Senate. I think that 923 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,400 Speaker 1: and I've written about this at Kingiver three sixty in 924 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,440 Speaker 1: a series of newsletters. I think you're facing not just 925 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,840 Speaker 1: a wave, but a tsunami because I think when you 926 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,560 Speaker 1: go out and you ask people, and we just did 927 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,440 Speaker 1: a video that runs about three minutes in which we 928 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,279 Speaker 1: talk about the big government socialism isn't working. I mean, 929 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,360 Speaker 1: you can go stand by any gas station in America 930 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,880 Speaker 1: and as people fill up their car, ask them, you know, 931 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,360 Speaker 1: do you think this is working? And they're going to 932 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,600 Speaker 1: say no. So I think we're gonna win in twenty two, 933 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,640 Speaker 1: probably by a huge margin. And the question then is 934 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,880 Speaker 1: can we govern? I mean, just being the anti Biden 935 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,880 Speaker 1: Party is not a formula for a long term majority, 936 00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,680 Speaker 1: and frankly, more importantly, it's not a formula for solving 937 00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,360 Speaker 1: America's problems. And we have really big problems, and we 938 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,560 Speaker 1: could be in real danger of losing the country, both 939 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,120 Speaker 1: in competition with China and in just general decay of 940 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:13,800 Speaker 1: our civilization. And I think that solving those problems is huge, 941 00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,600 Speaker 1: and the Republican Party has to become the vehicle for 942 00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,840 Speaker 1: solving them. And it's easier right now for me to 943 00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,799 Speaker 1: see how we can win than it is for me 944 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:27,280 Speaker 1: to see how we become a dynamic, creative problem solving party. 945 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,480 Speaker 1: That's a lot bigger change than just winning. Are those 946 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,960 Speaker 1: problems solvable, Sure, of course they are. We're a great country. 947 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,600 Speaker 1: And look if you could survive in eight years taking 948 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,600 Speaker 1: on the British Empire when you were a tiny country, 949 00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,360 Speaker 1: down at one point to about twenty five hundred people 950 00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,040 Speaker 1: in the army that were effective and in the end 951 00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,799 Speaker 1: we won. If you're a country that could survive a 952 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,120 Speaker 1: brutal civil war in which six hundred and twenty thousand 953 00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,719 Speaker 1: Americans were killed, and if you're a country which could 954 00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:01,040 Speaker 1: simultaneously take on Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, in Imperial Japan 955 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,400 Speaker 1: and then spend almost fifty years defeating the Soviet Empire, 956 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,840 Speaker 1: I don't see any you know, I have a really 957 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,279 Speaker 1: simple test. There are a lot more people trying to 958 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,279 Speaker 1: get in and are trying to get out. So we're 959 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,279 Speaker 1: still a very desirable country with a great future, and 960 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,920 Speaker 1: we still attract an enormous amount of talent. And as 961 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,480 Speaker 1: long as those things are true, unless unless we just 962 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,719 Speaker 1: work overtime through government to screw it up, we are 963 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,640 Speaker 1: probably going to be the most powerful and most dynamic 964 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,360 Speaker 1: country in the world and only the immediate ten or 965 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:39,160 Speaker 1: twenty years. The danger of North Korea, Iran, Russia and 966 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,799 Speaker 1: China nuclear war, Islamic terrorism, those are the only things 967 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,560 Speaker 1: that worry me. If we figure out how to get 968 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,480 Speaker 1: past them, we will, in fact, by the end of 969 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,319 Speaker 1: the century once again be the center of freedom, and 970 00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,120 Speaker 1: I suspect freedom will be spreading across the planet because 971 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,839 Speaker 1: on balance, most people actually would rather be free than 972 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,239 Speaker 1: be slaved to something totalitary and dictator. See, sir, we 973 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,600 Speaker 1: needed your wisdom, So I'm glad. I'm so I'm glad 974 00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,239 Speaker 1: to have you to be able to look back on 975 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,319 Speaker 1: history and really examine this for all of us and 976 00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,439 Speaker 1: give these honest and astute answers. I just want to say, Lisa, 977 00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,080 Speaker 1: I'm very proud of what you've done. I'm very excited 978 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,400 Speaker 1: by your your abilities and your passion and your commitment 979 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,720 Speaker 1: to America. Well, that's an honor coming from you, sir, 980 00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,440 Speaker 1: so I have an utmost amount of respect for you. 981 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,800 Speaker 1: Beyond Biden is out. You know anything else you want 982 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,640 Speaker 1: to leave us with before we go, sir, no, I 983 00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,000 Speaker 1: would say the last of the first Stanza of our 984 00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,040 Speaker 1: national anthem, the Land of the Free and the home 985 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,439 Speaker 1: of the brave. As long as we're brave, we will 986 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,720 Speaker 1: be free. I love that Speaker New Gingrich, complete honor. 987 00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,160 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time, sir, Thanks so 988 00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:59,479 Speaker 1: much for coming on the show. Thank you, I would 989 00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,280 Speaker 1: think for New Gingridge for a great interview, and I 990 00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,440 Speaker 1: want to thank you guys at home for listening. If 991 00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,200 Speaker 1: you enjoy today's show, please leave us a review, rate 992 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,000 Speaker 1: us five stars on Apple Podcasts. You can find me 993 00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:14,320 Speaker 1: on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram at Leasta Rebooth. Thanks to our 994 00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:18,360 Speaker 1: team Producer John Cassio, executive producers Debbie Myers, and Speaker 995 00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,680 Speaker 1: New Gingridge, all part of the Gingridge three sixty network 996 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:22,720 Speaker 1: and team