1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume. The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Will the love basketball, golf, soccer or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport. There is a contest for every fan Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, Welcome to the 6 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: Wednesday Morning Podcast super Agent Drew Rosenhouse. In five minutes, 7 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,639 Speaker 1: Jamal Murray of the Denver Nuggets out for the year 8 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: with an injury, and there's a lot of talk about 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: the condentsed schedule is the reason everybody's getting hurt. But 10 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 1: you gotta be careful about that. Too many games in 11 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: too short a time. How many games did Michael Jordan, Kobe, 12 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen, Lebron James, how many playoff games did they 13 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: play through the years? Listen? In baseball, the Dodger staff 14 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: has gone to how many straight postseasons and their favor 15 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: to go to back to back World Series. That's stress 16 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: on your arms. The reality here with Jamal Murray, it 17 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:17,279 Speaker 1: was a weird strange could have happened any night injury. Listen, 18 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: you got to condense these schedules. Everybody is making sacrifices 19 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: in this pandemic your plan in bubbles. College football teams 20 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: were making schedules on the go. The NFL, on more 21 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: than one occasion to sandwich every game in You had 22 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: teams playing on odd nights. Some of these injuries are 23 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: probably due to the condensed schedules. But haven't we been 24 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: talking about this for the last five or six years. 25 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: Guys get hurt all the time. Kevin Durant was hurt, injured, 26 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: hobbled when we didn't have condensed schedules. Wasn't he? Kyrie 27 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: Irving has been hurt since Duke when we didn't have 28 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: condensed schedules. Is it condensed schedule? The reason John wall 29 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: is hurt? Russell Westbrook's been hurt long before a condensed schedule. 30 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: Somebodies just don't get hurt. Somebodies get hurt a lot. 31 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: There are injury prone players. Jamal Murray to me, that 32 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: could have happened condensed schedule or not. Sometimes the foot 33 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: comes down sideways. But you got to look around. The 34 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: NFL was playing odd games. College football was making stuff up. Listen, 35 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,119 Speaker 1: if you want to give the players power in the CBA, 36 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: they have to play a minimum number of games. Adam 37 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 1: silverwould love to give everybody work. But just think about this. 38 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: It wasn't that long ago that Larry Bird flew on 39 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: a commercial airline. Yes, that's the way it worked in 40 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: the NBA. NBA teams got the first flight out on 41 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: a commercial airline. You could have gone to a Celtics game, 42 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: booed Larry Bird for three hours and been sitting four 43 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: feet from him the very next morning. Players are overwhelmingly 44 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: treated to private jets in their spare time, team jets 45 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: during the season. World class meals four seasons, great trainers. 46 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: Hey guys get hurt. Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving had 47 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: been getting hurt four years, and Michael Jordan seemingly never 48 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: got hurt. So condents schedules, Listen, aren't we all doing 49 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: stuff on zoom meetings? Aren't we all teaching our kids 50 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: at home? It's the reality of a pandemic. Just be 51 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: careful about blaming everything in the NBA and every twisted 52 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: ankle on a condentsed schedule. His name is Drew Rosenhouse. 53 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: I would classify him as a super agent, the founder 54 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: of Rosenhouse Sports Representation more than thirty years is a 55 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: sports agent and he still looks good. Yet in nineteen 56 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: eighty nine at the age of twenty two years old. 57 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: And I'll be honest, I was a little bit of 58 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: a cynic, good looking guy, slick Miami. But I kept 59 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: talking to people and they're like, no, Drew's great remembered. 60 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: I had a conversation with Rich McKay one time. He's like, 61 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: he gets right to it. There's no bullshit. Drew and 62 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: I our conversations or eight to ten minutes. I wish 63 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: there were ten Drew rosenhouses. I am no longer a cynic, 64 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: but a fan, and he's joining us now. It is 65 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: funny though, when you first came out, I was like, boy, 66 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: this guy, he's fast talking. Did you sense, Drew, you 67 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: were so different than the classic older model that you 68 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: a lot of people you got some blowback? Did you 69 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: sense it? Oh? Yeah, you know, I intentionally try to 70 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: be different Colin. It was a very competitive business. When 71 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: I broke in in nineteen eighty eight, I was twenty 72 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: two years old. I was a second year law student 73 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: from Duke University School Law, and it was it was 74 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: an established industry. It wasn't as balanced as it is today. 75 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: It was really dominated by a handful of agents at 76 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: that time, and I figured for me to make a 77 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: name for myself, I had to be different. In those days. 78 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: I was certainly brash. I did use the media to 79 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: my advantage, and it did make quite a few enemies 80 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: in the agent business. At one time I was on 81 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: the cover of Sports Illustrated known as the most heeded 82 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: man in pro football. But listen, that was good for 83 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: business and quite frankly, just being in the eye of 84 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: the media early on, established mews and known commodity, and 85 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: being based here in South Florida, I was able to 86 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: really capitalize on all the terrific players down here. Who 87 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: was the first established agent that wasn't an enemy that 88 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: put his arm around you, that actually reached out? And 89 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: I probably took a while, but was there one or 90 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: two guys that reached out in the first there We're 91 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: not a one. There still aren't any. Just the guys 92 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: who worked with me, my brother, Jason, Robert Bailey, Ryan 93 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: Math are the only agents that I consider to be friends. 94 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: This is such a hyper competitive business, Colin that I 95 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,239 Speaker 1: probably have had a client leave all the top agents 96 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: to come to me, And I'd probably have had a 97 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: client that's left me to sign with another of the 98 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: top agents. It's just it's a war zone out there. 99 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: The recruiting is very cutthroat, and there really isn't much 100 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: margin for friendship among your competitors. It's really unique because 101 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: there's no second place. There's nothing for runner up. I mean, 102 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: you know, you could beat out one hundred agents and 103 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: finished number two to get a player, and that means 104 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: absolutely fuckers. I mean, you know, zero nothing. And I 105 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: can tell you as a result of that, it's a 106 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: highly competitive business and you're out to beat beat the 107 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: competitive agents and you really don't have time. It's not 108 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: beneficial to be friendly with the guys that that you're 109 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: competing with. You know, for years, Tom Connon was a 110 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: guy that was known. You know, he took quote high 111 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: character guys and when you started, hell you just needed guys. 112 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: And I remember you took some big personalities. But over time, 113 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: are you taking the same clients or are you pickier today? Oh? 114 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: I would say that I still have an open mind 115 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: to represent individuals that I connect with. I don't I 116 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: don't have colin any particular let's just say qualifications other 117 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: than I'm looking to represent players who are obviously good 118 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: people and talented. U from, you know, essentially where I 119 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: can connect with them, and that's what matters. I don't 120 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: judge a book by the cover. So I've gotten to 121 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: know guys that other agents may have been intimidated by 122 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: and found out that they were the best people you 123 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: could possibly represent. And I really don't have any regrets. 124 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: I have represented quite a few personalities, dominant personalities, and 125 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: don't shy away from big personalities today either. Is there 126 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: an advantage to sometimes taking a more eccentric personality? And 127 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I have had agents. Nick Cohn was 128 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: my agent for a long time. He's now the president WWE. 129 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: And you know, he always said, he goes, you're you're 130 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: very You're not needy. He goes, You're a low maintenance client. 131 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: But I can think to myself, you know, because I've 132 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: been doing this long enough, so I know what I need, 133 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: I know what I am, blah blah blah. But are 134 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: there advantages sometimes? Are the eccentric client the emotional client? 135 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: You know, I'll say this, I have been very loyal 136 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: to the players that I've worked for, and for the 137 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: most part, the clients have been very loyal to me. 138 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: Eccentric or otherwise, I think this is an industry where 139 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: as an agent, the bottom line is you're hired to 140 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,239 Speaker 1: help your clients. That's the most important thing. Even eccentric 141 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: guys or difficult personalities, you must connect with them. It's 142 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: a bigger challenge, that's for sure, and it requires a 143 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: lot more guts because you've got to be able to 144 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: talk openly with some of these dominant characters and disagree 145 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: with them and tell them at times that they're wrong 146 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: and that you advise them to do something that they 147 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: don't want to do. And that's really challenging but also 148 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: very rewarding to help players that need to help the most. 149 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: Is it much easier to represent you know, some of 150 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: the low maintenance guys like you. You describe yourself to 151 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:17,599 Speaker 1: be absolutely but I like a challenge from time to time. Yeah, 152 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: You're You're the shortstop who occasionally likes a bad hop. 153 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 1: It's part of life. So exact couple, next couple of 154 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: weeks NFL Draft? So what are the next couple of weeks, Drew? 155 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: What are they like for you? Really challenging? You know, 156 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: guys are depending on me right now to make every 157 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: minute account in my communications with the teams. We have 158 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: ten young men in the draft, and we have quite 159 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: a few of them that opted out this year, and 160 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: that's a really unique challenge. We have Caleb Farley, the 161 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: cornerback from Virginia Tech who opted out, Gregory Russo, the 162 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: defensive end from the University Miami who opted out, Nico Collins. 163 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: Nico Collins who opted out of Michigan, Ambry Thomas who 164 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: opted out of Michigan. Nico's a wide receiver, Ambrey's a cornerback. 165 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: Jalen twim In from the University of Pittsburgh. Jalen is 166 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: one of the top ten tackles in the draft, but 167 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: he didn't play this season, so this is challenging. Half 168 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: of our guys opted out, the other half played, but 169 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: at different points of the season. We're limited due to COVID. 170 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: COVID had a huge impact on a lot of our clients, 171 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: even guys who'd in't opt out at the start of 172 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: the year. So my job this year is really at 173 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: the highest level because we didn't have a combine. Teams 174 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: aren't allowed to bring players in for workouts. 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See FanDuel dot 203 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: com for terms and conditions. You know the combines interesting 204 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: they put a kai bosh on it. You know, the 205 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: one thing I always liked about the combine. If you 206 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: were a real alpha, how do you respond to being 207 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: around your physical equals? Do you kind of walk in 208 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: the room and you have confidence, Like putting a bunch 209 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: of agents in the room, some will shrink, some will rise. 210 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: That's where I thought the value was not your vertical jumper, 211 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: your forty We know you're fast and talented. So when 212 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: they kind of put a cash kai bosh on the combine, 213 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: how did it sit with you? What is your takeaway 214 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: on it? I just really disappointed for our clients, especially 215 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: the ones that that opted out. I think it's really 216 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: it's a great opportunity for them to meet with the 217 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: teams and for the teams to get to know them 218 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: and find out why they opted out and get a 219 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: feel for why. Essentially they decided not to play. There's 220 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: really no substitute for in person meetings. I was a 221 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: little confused why the NFL canceled the combine because the 222 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl went off perfectly. Jim Naggey, the executive director 223 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: of the Senior Bowl, did a terrific job. It went 224 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: off without a hitch. They brought one hundred and fifty 225 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: players in this past Thursday, Friday, and Saturday for a 226 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: physical at Indianapolis. Why not just do the whole thing. Yeah, 227 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: I was highly confused. And listen, Colin, I'm not a 228 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: guy that complains. I mean, I get the circumstances, but 229 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: I feel for the rookies. NFL teams are permitted to 230 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: bring in veteran free agents for visits, for workouts, for physicals, 231 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: but they're not allowed to do that with the rookies. 232 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: That's unfortunate. And again, it's not a love playing field 233 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: this year because there are a lot of guys who 234 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: didn't get the opportunity to play this season due to 235 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: opting out, and unfortunately no combine was in positive for that. Yeah, 236 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: you know, the way I look at this whole thing, 237 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: I thought Dana White really early on. You had to 238 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: be you had to burrow down, put your head down 239 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: a little bit. When you're fighting a pandemic. I mean, 240 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: you can talk yourself out of anything. And then the 241 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: NFL followed Dana White and said, Okay, we're going to 242 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: hold a draft in our basement. And then the NBA. 243 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: There were a couple of weeks in the NBA where 244 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving and Dwight Howard almost shut the league down, 245 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: and Adam Silver called Lebron and they said, hey, we gotta, 246 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: we gotta put our head down and get through this stuff. 247 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: I mean, the way I look at this whole thing, 248 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: my wife and I are vaccinated, but I've said it 249 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: with our family, like listen, life's not ideal. I mean, 250 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: sack up, let's go. And I just kind of think, 251 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if they bowed to pressure, but I 252 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: thought it was it was playing scared, and I don't 253 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: think the NFL generally does that. That was my takeaway 254 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: on it. You're right, the NFL did a heck of 255 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: a job. I mean, they were very brave throughout the 256 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: entire season. That last year. They followed through with free agency, 257 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: they followed through with the draft. They wound up not 258 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: missing any games. They got every game played. It was 259 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: a remarkable accomplishment. They were the only professional sports league 260 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: in the United States to pull that off. They get 261 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: a ten out of ten. Again, I'm a little miffed 262 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: that they didn't have to combine, but hey, no use 263 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: crying over spilled milk. We got to move forward. They're 264 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: going to get drafted. The teams have to make the 265 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: picks no matter what, and they might as well be 266 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: our clients. So I'm working as hard as i can, 267 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: just like I did. You know, free agency, we had 268 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: a little bit of a handicap. The salary cap was 269 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: down this year from one ninety eight point five to 270 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: one eighty two and a half, and as agents, we, 271 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: you know, we had to really work doubly hard to 272 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: understand the market to get deals done and know when 273 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: to pull the trigger. We're working with really a seller's 274 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: a buyer's market. The team's had most of the leverage 275 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: this year. I think everyone understood that, so hey, no excuses, 276 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: just get the job done. And that's the way that 277 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,959 Speaker 1: I'm approaching the draft. And I'm confident that. Listen, I'm 278 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 1: not cowering away from the draft either, I'll be at 279 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: the draft with both of our guys that opted out, 280 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: with Caleb Farley and Gregory Russo, we got invited to 281 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: the draft, we accepted the invite. We'll be there, and 282 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: you know, quite frankly, you know, both guys understand they're 283 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: not sure fire top ten picks right now, and yet 284 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: they're still going and they're gonna be brave and we're gonna, 285 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna work our way through and hopefully 286 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: it works out well. Drew, how long can you stay 287 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: on the phone talk to teams, sell your guys, I 288 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: mean up to draft day? Are there limitations? Yeah? I mean, 289 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: you know, fortune, I've been doing this for thirty three years. 290 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: So the teams, they'll take my calls, they'll they'll look 291 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: at my text messages, my emails. But during draft meetings 292 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: and it's really less of me promoting clients and more 293 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: of me giving teams information. Teams really don't want to 294 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: hear the typical promotion. What they're interested in is me 295 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: sharing with them facts they may not otherwise know about 296 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: a client, what he did recently in a workout, his background, 297 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: how he's overcome an injury, my experiences with him character issues, 298 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: health questions. I'm here to provide all the information that 299 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: the teams can handle them. Really, this can take place, Colin, 300 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: right up until they make the pick. I talked to teams, 301 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 1: and I'll be promoting my clients and exchanging information with 302 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: teams all the way until our gods are drafting. Give 303 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: me an incident since nineteen eighty nine in the draft, 304 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:53,719 Speaker 1: were your phone rings right right before a pick? Has 305 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: that ever happened? Oh? Yeah, I mean with Willison Gayhey, 306 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: using young man who blew his knee out in the 307 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: college national championship game, the Fiesta Ball against Ohio State, 308 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,479 Speaker 1: and he was on the draft and UH and Colin 309 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: quite quite frankly, there wasn't a lot of calls for 310 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: Willis in the early to mid portion of the first round, 311 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: and ESPN kept flashing him. So I decided the next 312 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: time they flashed him on TV, instead of him sitting 313 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: there looking board waiting for the phone to ring, I 314 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: would call him. So it looked like he was on 315 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: the phone with team. So I called from my cell phone. 316 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: I called Willis. We're talking to each other. Willis is 317 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: on the phone. All of a sudden, my call waiting 318 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,239 Speaker 1: goes through and it's it's the Buffalo Bills. And at 319 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: that time, the Bills were curious who Willis was talking to, 320 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: and I wouldn't tell them who he was talking to. 321 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: I just said, you know, use your imagination, and they 322 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: assumed it was another team, and they decided did that 323 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: if he was on the film with another club, there 324 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: was a good chance he was going to be picked, 325 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: And not long after I spoke to them, they drafted Willis. So, 326 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: believe it or not, I think that it had something 327 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: to do with them taking him. You want to create 328 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: the impression at all times that your clients about to 329 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: get selected. That's a great story. Now, have you had 330 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: a draft day disaster? I don't know who reps Laramie Tunzil. 331 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: I felt so bad for the kid, you know. I mean, 332 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: I grew up in Washington State. People smoke pot, okay, 333 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: and I see this thing come out and I think, well, hell, 334 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: he's still great. What do I care? I looked at 335 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: the way I looked at that, Drew was Oh good, 336 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: it'll scare off half the league. I'll take him. So 337 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: I don't know who repped him. But if you ever 338 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: had a draft day disaster, Yeah, It was incredibly frustrating 339 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: for Rob Gronkowski that we were at the draft with 340 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: Rob and somehow the teams overlooked him because of a 341 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: back injury and didn't take him in the first round, 342 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: and we had to wait until early in the second 343 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: round for the Patriots to call. But that was really 344 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: tough because I thought Rob was absolutely one of the 345 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: elite players in the draft, and we fully anticipated that 346 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: someone was going to take that uber talent a guy 347 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: in the first round. And you know, to the chagrin 348 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: of the rest of the league, they blew it and 349 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: Bill Bill Belichick knew what he was doing and took Rob. 350 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: But Rob obviously should have been one of the first 351 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: players drafted that year. By the way, when did you 352 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:35,719 Speaker 1: first spot Rob? When did I spot Rob? I'll tell 353 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: you it was it was a tip from Gerry Angelo 354 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: when Rob was a was a true sophomore. Gerry Angelo 355 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: told me because he coached Rob's father, Dronk, Gordi Gronkowski 356 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: and Papa Gronk, they call him and Gerry Angelo told 357 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: me that he thought Rob was going to be a 358 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: great player before anyone knew who he was. So I 359 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: started recruiting him and I mean, the crazy thing about 360 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: Rob is that he wasn't really that well known early 361 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: on because he had this back injury and he had 362 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: to miss his junior year and then he came out. 363 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: So really I got very lucky in recruiting Rob, and 364 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: he turned out to be, you know, probably the greatest 365 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: tight end who's ever played the game. Yeah. I'm a 366 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: Pack twelve football fan and I saw him probably played twice. 367 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing. It's a basketball school, Drew, so 368 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's much like the Miami Hurricanes football school. 369 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: A basketball player from Miami doesn't get doesn't get all 370 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: the love. Go back to your career, like Rob, give 371 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: me another tip something you are really damn proud of 372 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: where you spotted a player and then you knew a 373 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: month before the draft that every agent hated you because 374 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: you found a gem. Wow. I mean Antonio Brown going 375 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: in the sixth round from Central Michigan was a great 376 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: was a great signing for us? Oh tell me? Yeah, 377 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: I mean Antonio was a guy who was very familiar 378 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: with He grew up in Miami. He was a high 379 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: school you know phenom here in Miami. He had some 380 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: issues early in his college career. Transferred out of a 381 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: couple of schools who wound up going to small Central Michigan, 382 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: and we thought he was a fantastic player, and we 383 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: signed him even though the league was behind on him, 384 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 1: and he got drafted in the sixth round. And he's 385 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: another guy that, in my opinion, when he's all set 386 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: and done, will be in the Hall of Fame. But 387 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: that was that was one I'm very proud of and 388 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: identifying who would think a sixth round pick would would 389 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: go on to become an absolute, you know, superstar like 390 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: Antonio Brown is being, you know, Drew. I like high 391 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: school football recruiting. I've been addict to do it for 392 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: thirty years. Listening to Utah you must have to follow 393 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: some of it, Oh yeah, I mean, there's no question 394 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: we have to be aware of players in high school. Technically, 395 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: we can't, you know, we can't sign a player until 396 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: after they've played three years of college football. But there's 397 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: really no reason that we can't have an eye on 398 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: them and get ready to recruit them at the appropriate time. 399 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: And there are a lot of guys that catch my 400 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: eye in high school that we follow and ultimately wanted 401 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: recruiting in college, especially based there in South Florida. This 402 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: is such a hotbed for talent. I'd say sixty to 403 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: sixty five and seventy percent of our clients are players 404 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: who have some affiliation with this area. So tell our audience, Drew, 405 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: I'm a receiver, I'm at Purdue. I'm not going to 406 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: be maybe a high choice, and I play my career 407 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: out and then I declare myself eligible for the draft. 408 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: In that moment, you can call them right the moment 409 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: he declares for the draft. When can you first contact 410 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: a college athlete? I can really contact the college athlete 411 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: the minute they get into college. There's nothing against the 412 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: rules with communicating. The basic premise of the nc double 413 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: A rules that apply to agents and players when it 414 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: comes to football is that we're not allowed to one 415 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 1: give them or their family or friends anything of value. Two, 416 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: we're not permitted to enter into any type of informal 417 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: or formal agreement with them, verbal or orally, or they're 418 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: the same actually verbal or written I meant to say. 419 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: And you know, without a doubt, we're certainly encouraged to 420 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: limit our communications with them until they're entering the draft 421 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: or their senior years. But there's really no prohibition in 422 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: the NC Double A or most colleges that prohibit you 423 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 1: from at least communicating with a player and or their family. 424 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: I mean, Drew, it doesn't take a wild imagination for me, 425 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: knowing what you said about your contact with players, to 426 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: figure out Nick Saban's going to be a hard ass 427 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: if you contact his players. What do you have to 428 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: do because Alabama's got the most of them, what do 429 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: you have to do to contact one of his players? Well, 430 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: you better follow the rules or you're going to feel 431 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: the wrath of Nick Saban. You're right, he's he's not 432 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: a fan of you contacting his players during the season. 433 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: He asked that you wait until after the season to 434 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: have communication with them. Really, you want to deal with 435 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: a player's family and deal through the school. The school 436 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: has a protocol where they actually will encourage you to 437 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: come to campus and meet with a player before the 438 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: season at the football facility. So Alabama has a very 439 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 1: hands on policy. They do a great job. We represent 440 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: a recent first round pick from Alabama and Rashaun Evans. 441 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect for for coach Saban. 442 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,239 Speaker 1: I've known him a long time and dealt with them 443 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: for a long time. And we're going to follow their protocols. 444 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: Anybody else I had to use the word controlling, but 445 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: anybody else at Alabama's level in terms of organizationally protecting 446 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: their players, clemsing is right there. Ohio State, I think 447 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: those are programs. Florida comes to mind that in my 448 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: dealings do really good job of keeping tabs on agents 449 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: and players in their communications. This is about to blow up, though, 450 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: Colin in the We're about to go into a whole 451 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: new world and college football with agents and marketing people. 452 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: And it's called nil name, image, and likeness. In the 453 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: state of Florida. On July first, Florida pass the law 454 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: that college athletes can begin to enter into endorsement agreements 455 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,719 Speaker 1: and have marketing deals based on their name, image and likeness. 456 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: So college players are going to be able to make money, 457 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: They're going to be able to do deals with marketing agents. 458 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: Agents like myself are going to be able to go 459 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: out and proture marketing deals for players. So this has 460 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: been passed in Florida. The NCAA hasn't ruled on this 461 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: yet or they don't have a formal ruling, but it's 462 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: coming and it's coming soon, and it's going to change 463 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: the whole dynamics of college football because it's inevitable that 464 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: college players are going to be able to make money 465 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: and deal with agents and have endorsement deals. So get 466 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: ready college football and amateurism is going to become professional football. Well, 467 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: conservative governors tend to be more pro business. So Florida 468 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: to Santas, he's going to pass this, puppy California, Gavin Newsom, 469 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: you know, California just frankly, you know, as an attorney, 470 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: has more regulations all through our government, So we know 471 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: Florida is going to open it up. Where's Texas at, 472 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: Where's California at on that stuff? Really, Florida New Mexico 473 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: are the only states to my knowledge that have formally 474 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: passed the law, but there are quite a few other 475 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: states that I've heard that are on the verge. You're 476 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: doing the same, and I'm following this very closely because 477 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: when it is permissible, we're going to be, you know, 478 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: getting after it. We're going to recruit all of the 479 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: top college players with marketing deals, and this is going 480 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: to be the way of the future. Every top college 481 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: player is going to be inunate, inundated with marketing opportunities 482 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: from agents like myself, and so colleges and universities are 483 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: going to have to deal with that. And you know, 484 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: college football is going to be very different moving forward, 485 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: and the colleges are going to have to embrace the 486 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: nil because they're gonna need to use it in recruiting. 487 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: If a program has alumni that can bring endorsement deals 488 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: to players, they're gonna get a lot more deals than 489 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: for players. And say a program that doesn't have a 490 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: relationship with alumni that have endorsement deals, it's really going 491 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: to take off. Yeah, I was gonna say if I'm 492 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: Stanford and I know that's not a football powerhouse, but hell, 493 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: half their graduates work at Apple and Google and you tap. 494 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, I think about that, and I think 495 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: Apple has a lot of Pack twelve graduates inside their company. 496 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: And I would if I was Apple, I'd think, yeah, 497 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: just go go take care of Stanford players. I mean, 498 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: would there be anything outlawing that. Nope, not that I'm 499 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: aware of. And I mean you look at the University 500 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: of Central Florida. You know what's on the back of 501 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,239 Speaker 1: the players jerseys. Now it's not their names, it's their 502 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: Twitter handle. It's their Twitter name. And that's brilliant because 503 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: that is the world that we are about to enter. 504 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: Get ready for college football and their players to make 505 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: money in. You know, the top guys are going to 506 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: make hundreds of thousands of dollars in the best players 507 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: are going to start to really rack up the money in. Hey, 508 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: I've been an agent for thirty three years and I've 509 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: said from day one college players should absolutely be able 510 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: to make money on endorsements. And that time has finally 511 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: arrived and it's going to be official in a matter 512 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: of months. Well, Johnny Manzielle in Texas, Tim Tebow in Florida, 513 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: and Reggie Bush in California. You could be in those 514 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: states during their prime and their jersey was more worn 515 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: than professional athletes in the same area. So to your point, now, 516 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: it's rare to get a transformational player. It maybe two 517 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: a year. I mean Trevor Lawrence, by the way, he 518 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: would have been a guy that would have sold those jerseys. Now, yes, 519 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: when you talk about all these contracts, pat yourself in 520 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: the back here, what is the contract you are proudest of? 521 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: And it may not be the biggest. It may have 522 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: been a general manager, an old school guy that you 523 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: had to arm wrestle, but when you were done, you 524 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: knew that night when you laid your head on the pillow, 525 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: you really worked your butt off for it. Yeah, I 526 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: think probably the contract that everyone was most impressed with 527 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: was more than likely the deal that we worked out 528 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: for Antonio Brown with the Raiders. And it wasn't a 529 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: knock on the Raiders because we had other teams that 530 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: we're interested in doing the same deal. But what was 531 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: unique about that particular contract was that really, for the 532 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: first time in NFL history, a player was three years 533 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: left on a contract, got a thirty million dollars guarantee, 534 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: and became the highest paid player at his position with 535 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: three years left on his deal. That was really a 536 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: rare accomplishment. So looking back at my career, that deal 537 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: really stands out as one that I'm proud of. But 538 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: I mean there's really so many, you know, over a 539 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: thirty years span. It's more of like every year there's 540 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: one or two deals that really jump out. But I'd 541 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: say from a notoriety standpoint that that contract with Antonio 542 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: Brown and the Raiders was really unique contract under those circumstances. 543 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: You know, when I think of quarterbacks when you try 544 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: to procure a client. I think father's involved pretty heady, 545 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: been in camps for ten years and then, and that's 546 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: just what I think of the quarterback position that you 547 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: got to go. You would probably have to go through 548 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: layers and layers and layers that procuring a quarterback would 549 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 1: be tougher than a guard, a corner or a mic linebacker. 550 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: Is that true or false? Now? I don't think positionally 551 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: there's any real difference. It's on the individuals. We've recruited 552 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: some offensive linemen that their parents were extremely on top 553 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: of things and top notch professionals and very demanding and 554 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 1: really understood the business. I don't think you can break 555 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: it down by position, but really more by an individual 556 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: and their family. Sometimes we're just recruiting the player, but 557 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: other times we're dealing with the player. We're dealing with 558 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: a father who's an executive, a mother who's an executive. 559 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: Lawyers they bring in family lawyers, the schools involved. The 560 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: school's got a counsel or a committee that's involved and 561 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: working with the players. So it really depends on the 562 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: individual and not necessarily the position that they played, you know, 563 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: with Jerry Jones, There's always been this overwriting sense, Drew 564 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: that if he wants something, me gets it. Do you 565 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,240 Speaker 1: deal with Stephen or Jerry for instance, on the Cowboys, Well, 566 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: early in my career, Jerry had a tremendous presence. I 567 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: dealt with Jerry and Stephen both when it came to 568 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: representing a player like Terrell Owens. Early in my career, 569 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: I had some of their I think in one of 570 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,760 Speaker 1: their first draft classes, they took a couple of my clients, 571 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: Kevin Williams and Jimmy Jones. And this was very early 572 00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: on with Jerry Jones, and he was extremely involved. But 573 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 1: now I think Steven is taken over more of the 574 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: day to day negotiations when it comes to me and 575 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: the players that we represent. Now. Now, Jerry may have 576 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: been very involved with Dak Prescott, but a lot of 577 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 1: our negotiations with the Cowboys, and we have three clients 578 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: on the team right now and we had several negotiations 579 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: with them the soft season. We're really done with Stephen 580 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: Jones and his team. You know, it's interesting, Drew. So 581 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,240 Speaker 1: the late Paul Allen made his money in tech, Jerry 582 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: made it an oil in real estate. So when I 583 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: think of Jerry, I think his two industries are negotiating industries, 584 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,280 Speaker 1: whereas with a tech billionaire, he may be a brilliant 585 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: tech guru, but he may not be a negotiator. Have 586 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: you found that certain ownership businesses are just greater negotiators. Absolutely, 587 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: Jerry's tremendous negotiator and a great recruiter. I'll never forget 588 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: when he picked Terrell Owens and myself up at an 589 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: airport and we flew on his private jet, you know. 590 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: And he was a great recruiter, very charming, was a 591 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: tremendous negotiator. I'm sure he still is. So yeah, that 592 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 1: jumped out at me. He was, without a doubt, a 593 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: very hands on owner. And there are other great owners 594 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,720 Speaker 1: like Robert Kraft, for example, from the Patriots. But Robert 595 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: Kraft is one of the all time great owners in 596 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: my opinion. But when it comes to dealing with the Patriots, 597 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,280 Speaker 1: he's really the type of owner that gives coach Belichick 598 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: great independence and they worked so well together because of it. 599 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: So it's a different dynamic when you look at Robert 600 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,720 Speaker 1: Kraft with a Bill Belichick relative to a Jerry Jones. 601 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: Every ownership models different. If an owner's lucky enough to 602 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: have you mentioned a Rich McKay. It doesn't have to 603 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: be that involved like Arthur Blank because McKay is an 604 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: outstanding NFL executive. But there are other owners that are 605 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: extremely hands on. Earlier in my career, I dealt with 606 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: Dan Snyder with the Redskins when he was very involved. 607 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: You know, he was hands on with moves like trading 608 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: for a player like Santana Moss or Clinton Fortis, many 609 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 1: of the discussions that we had drafting a Sean Taylor. 610 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: Dan Snyder was very involved, maybe more so than any 611 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: owner I dealt with in my career, and he did 612 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: a great job. By the way, I enjoyed dealing with 613 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: Dan Snyder. By the way, Packers don't have an owner. 614 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: Is that a pain in the butt? Now now they've 615 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: got a good system. We negotiated a big deal of 616 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 1: this offseason with the Packers for their outstanding running back 617 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: Aaron Jones, and I primarily dealt with the general manager, 618 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: Brian Budacus and Russ Ball, who's the head of their operations. 619 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: Now they have an owner type and Mark Murphy who 620 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: oversees he's the team president, and so you know, Mark 621 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,320 Speaker 1: Murphy is always there, but they're in capable hands with 622 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,359 Speaker 1: Brian Gudicus and russ Ball. Those two really do an 623 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: outstanding job of managing the football team. And they really 624 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: aren't penalized by not having a direct owner, is there. 625 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: You just do football players right? Well, we also are 626 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,240 Speaker 1: we have an agent. We do have a baseball division 627 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,760 Speaker 1: and a basketball division. In fact, one of our clients 628 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 1: is Shane Bieber, who was the American League MVP last 629 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 1: year in our baseball division. So yeah, we branched out 630 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: in a big way. I was gonna say, you know, 631 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 1: there's different cultures. The NBA star driven Baseball's got longer contracts, 632 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,359 Speaker 1: the NFL union I could argue a little weaker. Did 633 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: you get into baseball? I mean you were compared to 634 00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: Scott Borrows at one time as an agent. Is baseball 635 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: the best because it's you have the longest contracts and 636 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: there are very few elite arms. So if you if 637 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: you have a Walker Bueller for the Dodgers, that is 638 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 1: hard to replicate on the market. Yeah. And yet you 639 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,919 Speaker 1: could say that you got to wait a long time 640 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: to get to the money in baseball, right, because for years, 641 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 1: it takes a long time to go through the system 642 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 1: with miners and before your arbitration eligible and get to 643 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: free agency. It's a lot longer than the NFL. So 644 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,800 Speaker 1: there's a given take. Certainly, you could make the argument 645 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,280 Speaker 1: in baseball that the contracts for the top players are huge. 646 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: They're fully guaranteed, they've got long terms relative to football, 647 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: which has got less guaranteed money, shorter term contracts, and 648 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: the NBA is more akin than Major League Baseball with 649 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: the fully guaranteed deals. But there are advantages. And for example, 650 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 1: one of the things you like about the NFL you 651 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,439 Speaker 1: can go right out and you can sign a top 652 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,839 Speaker 1: rookie right out of the gate, and that guy gets 653 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 1: paid early on and you can get him a second 654 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,800 Speaker 1: contract after their third year. You know, for example, we 655 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,239 Speaker 1: got a big contract for Tyree Hill after year three 656 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: that made him one of the highest tab wide receivers 657 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 1: in the NFL. You can't do that in baseball. It 658 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,359 Speaker 1: takes time. So there's a giving take. There's a lot 659 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 1: of positives in all the sports, and if you're lucky 660 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: enough to represent a great player like Shane Bieber, it's 661 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: obviously going to be worth the wait. You know, I 662 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 1: want to circle back to when you were called the 663 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: most hated man in sports for Sports Illustrated. Lebron James 664 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: famously hated being a villain, and I don't view you 665 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 1: like that, but there was a time I did. Just 666 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,800 Speaker 1: take me inside emotionally. Did you like being a villain 667 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: or was it exhausting? You know, I've never been a villain, Colin. 668 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 1: I tell you why I wanted to be an agent. 669 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 1: When I was a little boy. My parents, when I 670 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 1: was growing up where we lived down the street from 671 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins training facility, and this is in North Miami, Florida, 672 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,319 Speaker 1: and my parents became friendly with a bunch of guys 673 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: in the Dolphins who would hang out at my house. 674 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: And at that time I fell in love with those 675 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 1: guys and decided I wanted to be an agent. And 676 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: then I went to the University of Miami and I 677 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: became very friendly with a lot of the players on 678 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: the football team. And it was the great Hall of 679 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: Famer Michael Irvin that got me my first opportunity. He 680 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 1: was my friend in college and he got me an 681 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,359 Speaker 1: internship with his agent. And while I was at Duke 682 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 1: Law School. After my first year law school, and really 683 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: I got in the business column because I loved the 684 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 1: players and I wanted to help them and they were 685 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 1: my friends and that never changed. And at times I 686 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: was very controversial, but I never saw myself as a 687 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 1: villain and never bothered me because I always knew my 688 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: heart was in the right place and I'm in this 689 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: business just to help my clients better themselves. And agent 690 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: is alltimately a professional that an athlete hires to bring 691 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,279 Speaker 1: their business acumen and experience to represent them and help 692 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,239 Speaker 1: them make the most of their career. And it's not 693 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,840 Speaker 1: just contract negotiations. It's dealing with injuries, it's dealing with 694 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,280 Speaker 1: relationships with their coaches, their organization, management, off the field issues, 695 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,400 Speaker 1: their personal life. You are trying to set them up 696 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,400 Speaker 1: for life after professional sports. You're trying to work with 697 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,440 Speaker 1: them off the field to help them build their brand 698 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 1: and make money off the field. So being an agent 699 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 1: it's such an awesome thing. It's the antithesis of being 700 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,800 Speaker 1: a villain, because when you do a good job for 701 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 1: your agent, for your players as an agent, that feels 702 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 1: great because your clients can then be a role model 703 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,399 Speaker 1: and impact thousands of people. So for me, I really 704 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,399 Speaker 1: loved looking back at my career over thirty three years 705 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 1: and seeing all the people that I've indirectly and directly impacted. 706 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: And I've always been in this business just to help 707 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,440 Speaker 1: my clients, and I've had so much fun doing it. 708 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 1: That's all, you know. That's why I do this job. 709 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 1: It's not, you know, to be in the media or 710 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,239 Speaker 1: to make the most money. It's really to help the 711 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: players and their families. And that's what I get the 712 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,680 Speaker 1: most satisfaction out of. And I'm going to continue to 713 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 1: do this as long as i can help my clients 714 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,759 Speaker 1: and their families. Anybody ever break your heart, Just break 715 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 1: your heart you lost a client. Oh yeah, many times 716 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,880 Speaker 1: I mentioned Michael Irvin. Michael Irvin was the guy that 717 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,800 Speaker 1: helped me get started this business, and I was his 718 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 1: agent early in his career. I was a very young 719 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 1: agent and I was in my early twenties, and he 720 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 1: was with the Dallas Cowboys and he became a Pro 721 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,200 Speaker 1: Bowl player and he decided to let his young agent 722 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,719 Speaker 1: go to hire a veteran agent that was prominent in 723 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,400 Speaker 1: Dallas who could get him a lot more contracts, and 724 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,919 Speaker 1: that was devastating for me. I couldn't figure that out 725 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: because you know, I've always been about you know, your 726 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 1: clients are your friends. There's that like Jerry maguire and 727 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 1: it was business for Michael, and that broke my heart. 728 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,880 Speaker 1: But I grew up quite a bit and realized that 729 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 1: this is a business as well. But that was a 730 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 1: tough one. Yeah, God, and you were what twenty five, 731 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,319 Speaker 1: twenty six, Yeah, exactly, Jerry Young in my career never 732 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 1: lost the client before that. I didn't think it was possible, 733 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: but that was that was a shot right to the groin. 734 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 1: M But you know, Michael Irvin was always a great 735 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,400 Speaker 1: advocate for mine even after that, and uh, we've maintained 736 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 1: a great relationship to this day and I'll always be 737 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,799 Speaker 1: grateful for him. But Michael, if you're listening, you broke 738 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,840 Speaker 1: my heart. Buddy. What's tougher a girl breaking up with 739 00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 1: your Michael Irvin? Well, that's a good one, I would 740 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,920 Speaker 1: have to say, Michael Irving, because you know, for me, 741 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 1: I was a bachelor for a long time growing up 742 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,400 Speaker 1: in Miami. I didn't get married till my mid forties, 743 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,400 Speaker 1: didn't have children until five years ago. So I was 744 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 1: a little bit of a playboy at the University Miami. 745 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,160 Speaker 1: So for girl broke up with me, you could find 746 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:26,280 Speaker 1: another one, but michaels and use a Pro Bowl MVP 747 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 1: wide receiver. So that was much tougher than any girlfriend 748 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,800 Speaker 1: that broke up with me. Yeah, that bounced back pretty 749 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,240 Speaker 1: quickly with the girls in my day. Well, I always 750 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,440 Speaker 1: appreciate you finding time for me. I love talking to 751 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,240 Speaker 1: your stories are great, kick ass and Drew, I always 752 00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,080 Speaker 1: appreciate I'm a big I'm a big fan. I really 753 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,920 Speaker 1: I was a cynic earlier, but I'm a fan now. 754 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 1: A lot of people I know speak very highly of you. 755 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,719 Speaker 1: You're a bottom line guy, no small talk, and you 756 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,440 Speaker 1: care about people and it matters to me, and I 757 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks, Colin. Keep it the great work. All right, 758 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,839 Speaker 1: That was great, Drew rosenows all sorts of fun. Love 759 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,279 Speaker 1: those stories. When anybody's been at a high level for 760 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,680 Speaker 1: thirty years, I don't care if it's a chef, I 761 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 1: don't care if it's an architect. I don't care if 762 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,839 Speaker 1: it's an attorney or an agent or a coach. They 763 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:15,640 Speaker 1: have great, great stories at the Volume Sports. You can 764 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:20,040 Speaker 1: find us on Twitter or Instagram. Please rate, review, subscribe. 765 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,799 Speaker 1: We love doing this. We're just starting. Check us out